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Avid Comic Reader Hercules Does Battle With Tedium During Kevin Smith’s COMIC BOOK MEN!
Worst. “Pawn Stars” ripoff. Ever.
“Comic Book Men” follows longtime employees of the comic book store in Red Bank, N.J., owned by filmmaker Kevin Smith (“Cop Out,” “Red State”).
Like many a nerd, I’m in a comic book store every Wednesday -- but most comic shop clerks, it saddens me to say, are nowhere near as entertaining as the one who services Bart Simpson. Smith’s hires prove perhaps more tiresome than most.
In the first episode, nobody buys anything from the store. Instead, customers are depicted trying to sell stuff to Secret Stash: a movie poster, some lobby cards, a Chucky doll, a “Six Million Dollar Man” doll, a comic book. Nothing seems valuable enough to cover anybody’s rent for a month.
The worst segments involve what looks like a ginned-up-for-AMC contest to sell stain-ridden Bart Simpson dolls and other depressing merchandize at a New Jersey flea market. It turns out that middle-aged clerks selling old Moon Knight graphic novels for pennies on the dollar do not make for gripping primetime programming.
... It’s diverting, a little sad, a little boring, full of geeky macho posturing and ultimately pointless …
... basically a nerd version of "Pawn Stars" ... Ming Chen works on Smith's online endeavors; press materials describe him as the "go-to whipping boy," and while he is made fun of ("Ming, you look like a donkey wearing a straw hat"), it is actually never funny. … Much of what goes on there is clearly staged, or at least stage-managed, if not technically "scripted." Still, as in "Pawn Stars," or for that matter, "Antiques Roadshow," there is real pleasure to be had from watching people who know what they're talking about talk about the things they know about. …
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
... seems like it's desperate to come up with enough footage to fill an hour, resulting in a seemingly staged sell-off of store clearance merchandise … The show is most entertaining when oddball customers show up with collectibles in tow, including original art by comics legend Bob "Batman" Kane, a "Six Million Dollar Man" action figure and a Chucky doll. For fans of toy and comic collectibles, these scenes offer some sense of being in this kind of shop -- like a visit to Groovy on Pittsburgh's South Side. But that's not enough to hang an otherwise dull TV series on.
The San Francisco Chronicle says:
… viewers may not need to know DC Comics' Issue No. 1 chapter, verse and thought bubble to find "Comic Book Men" mildly amusing. …
... dullish ... “Comic Book Men’s” idle chit-chat about comics comes off as remedial and boring. …
… any appeal beyond committed nerds who can appreciate drooling over a "Six Million Dollar Man" action figure is likely to be limited. …
10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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Feb 12, 2012 6:51:29 AM CST
My local comic book store got wise and got rid of the nerds behind the counter
by tangcameo
Started hiring moderately attractive Deschanel-ish twenty-somethings. Business has never been better.
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A Kevin Smith project involving funny book nerds sucks ass? Color me surprised. Neither one of is an interesting subject on its own but together they double down on the suck.
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Feb 12, 2012 8:50:24 AM CST
Your 'Comic-Book Guy' Clip Was Funnier With The Original Quote
by graphix67
I've wasted my life.
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Feb 12, 2012 9:15:08 AM CST
The only women i see in my comic store are with their boyfriends
by sunwukong86
not really surprising though
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I'm a fan of Tell 'em Steve Dave the podcast this is, at least in part, based on so I'll be watching purely because of that.
However it does seem that they haven't quite got what it is about the podcast that makes it work... or at least haven't been able to capture that magic.
It's a bit of a round peg, square hole situation - some things just aren't going to work in different mediums. But maybe I'm wrong and I suspect I'll enjoy it more because I'm already familiar with those involved. They actually said this week that it's slow to start but things pick up after the ten minute mark so I'll stick with it for the first few episodes.
It seems like the flea market thing is in there because of the episode "making hay" which is generally regarded as being one of the best podcasts they've done. But that worked only because of very specific circumstances, and trying to recreate on tv is kinda doomed to failure (hell when they tried to recreate it on the podcast it failed). -
Feb 12, 2012 10:07:18 AM CST
The guy who praised The Event, has an opinion? Sign me right the fuck up.
by v'shael
I'll be watching Comic Book Men. I've found Herc to be the anti-barometer of good TV.
Never had a kind word for Supernatural? Check. Never praised Spartacus? Check.
I could go on, but whats the point?
A talkbacker either knows Hercs reputation and agrees with it, or could never agree with it in a million years. -
He's like ... Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone. In it, but not in it.
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Feb 12, 2012 11:29:44 AM CST
In a recent interview Smith said something about if podcasts had been around twenty years ago he never would have been a "filmmaker"
by moosemalloy
-- This guy loves to be on camera, or the internet, and talk. I hope he stops making "movies".
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Feb 12, 2012 11:31:29 AM CST
Also I wonder if Smith will discuss his two failed comic shops in L.A. --
by moosemalloy
-- one being in the back of a laser disc store.
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Feb 12, 2012 11:33:17 AM CST
Guess who's the most over-rated director in the history of cinema?
by atomike2
Hint: the answer is related to this story.
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and for the record, Clerks still holds up. Ok, well maybe not in a world where The Hangover is idealized by America's youth and 20 somethings. They need the spectacle and glamour of what they could have when Dante and Randall represents what they are.
hmmm, maybe I'm in the minority when it comes to Clerks being a cinematic masterclass. -
Do they have to sign their clearance before entering the store, or is that not needed (never quite sure what the rules were on this). Going to by a comic and finding a film crew would be off-putting for me.
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Feb 12, 2012 12:53:46 PM CST
... It’s diverting, a little sad, a little boring, full of geeky macho posturing and ultimately pointless …
by drdoom_v
wow if that does not sum up our whole existence.
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Over the past few months I would try and go to Secret Stash on Wednesday's only to find one of AMC's lackeys standing outside refusing to let anyone in because they are filming. My only complaint with this is WHY do this on a Wednesday. If you want to catch the real customer coming in on a Wednesday (which isn't exciting at all, I get my books and go; it's a 28 second process) then let everyone in on a Wednesday. If you're going to film a staged segment (which I'm 99% sure that a lot of this is staged) then do it on a TUESDAY which if I were a betting man, I would say it's the slowest comic book day of the week. That's my only gripe with this. Otherwise, the guys are super friendly and helpful, know the customer's names (Oddly enough I don't know their names so I will be tuning in tonight to actually find that out) and hand you your reserved books as soon as you walk in. Seems kind of passe to me though that the whole store is a shrine to Kevin Smith's early (now outdated) movies. This place was probably "cool" in 1997. They do offer a discount on your weekly books if you have your titles reserved, and they are nice enough to call if books are going to be delayed a day. Outside of Midtown Comics in the city, I would say in the tri-state area at least, this is the premier comic place to be. You can also hear them recording a pod cast in the back at times. Surprisingly the last one I walked in on was really funny. Even if the show totally sucks, I will be watching regularly since it's an inside look at a place I venture to once a week.
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Would actually make for interesting television? Other shows like those stupid pawn shop shows or that storage unit show are ridiculous, phony and not entertaining in the least. How would a show about a comic book store be any better? Oh, it has an irritating celebri-director as its star? He also has a podcast? About what? Comic books? Wow. That sounds....exciting. I will check it out tonight, but I will not be surprised if it is a total waste of my time.
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Talk about being at the right place at the right time and milking that shit.
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Maybe it's the same people who thought that Smith's resume screamed "Bruce Willis action film".
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Feb 12, 2012 3:27:42 PM CST
Dukeroberts - "it has an irritating celebri-director as its star?" No. It really doesn't.
by v'shael
I guess you can blame AMC for pushing the Kevin Smith angle. But he's not the star of it. Not by the longest distance.
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the golden apple (la), that caters to actual hollywood stars, producers, writers and was the model for all succesful shops that came after
isotope comics (sf) staffed by geeks who know their shit
comix experience (sf) the people who shop here are as freaky as they come
very few people sell their shit on consignment or directly to stores anymore....ebay has changed the face of the biz
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Feb 12, 2012 5:37:20 PM CST
Kevin Smith... about 6 months away from appearing on Dancing With Has-Beens
by has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet
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I've always thought it'd be fun to see a place that I regularly go to be featured on TV.
Growing up, I always wished I lived in a bigger city so that I'd have more options for comic shops. I think Milwaukee or Chicago was the first time I was ever at a "huge" comic store, and my mind was blown. -
I never read any CLERKS comics so I can't speak to that. But his Daredevil and Batman stuff was awful.
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Thought I'd find someone who might know the legalese of the matter, wasn't expecting there'd actually be someone here who could give a first-hand account of the place, very cool!
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Cool a show about my local shop!
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Is for it not to be staged so much. It should really just follow comic book nerds and watch them debate over the top comic book stuff. I would actually would rather see the times where no one is in the store and they talk to like the one guy buying Magic cards. Don't put it on in a prime hour where people look at the ratings. Put it on at like 1 am and people would watch it because nerds are frankly interesting.
Kevin Smith haters are all the same. Just jealous douche bags. Smith keeps getting hated on and all he does is keep on making money. He made movies and made money now he has a pod cast station and makes money, now he's making reality shows and making money. Yet the haters just seem to pull the "He's fat!"... "Worst filmmaker of all time!"... And to the retard hating on Clerks I hope you enjoyed The Hangover 2. Stop wasting all of our oxygen please. -
Because so far i'm finding this show pretty amusing. Sure some of it is staged, but I like actually seeing reality show with geeks being geeks.
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Heh...cunt.
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Glad I could help those that asked. Like I said, the place is cool, but watching this I can say a lot of it is staged. I hope every week isn't people selling shit or it may get boring real quick. For the record though, Collingswood is a complete shithole. There used to be a better flea market on route 1 (actually it's shown in Mallrats) but now it's a movie theatre. Little history about that site too http://tinyurl.com/b6krkg. Rice's flea market in New Hope PA is way better too (but I digress). Some people may find the show boring but it's interesting to see guys I see once a week on an actual TV show. I'll do my best not to act star struck on Wednesday.
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Possibly the dumbest question ever asked on an AICN talkback.
Here goes...
Does Kevin Smith ever wear any other type of clothing besides sports jerseys and that Silent Bob overcoat?
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To see the Walking Dead preview for next week. Nice of AMC to hold us hostage just for that. For the little I saw it was ok. It's just that, not many comic book stores buy anything anymore, so I was surprised by the premise. It was just the first show, hopefully it will get better, and be a little more interesting.
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Feb 12, 2012 10:23:54 PM CST
Anyone else have that annoying friend that likes to watch Kevin Smith spoken word videos?
by lika-do-the-cha-cha
and then drones on about what a great director, story teller and orator Kevin Smith is? I usually remind said friend at that point about Copout and Jersey Girl. Also, did Smith have that stupid hockey jersey surgically attached to his body? Maybe some of you Smith sycophants can fill me in.
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The people coming in and selling shit seems really staged and phony. I'd rather see them fuck around with their weird regular customers, debating stupid shit that hapens in comics. I would like to see them debate that Spidey Clone shit or the new DC #1 garbage, you know, something that might actually occur in a comic store. I'd also like to see them make fun of RPG playing weirdos because, let's face it, those guys ARE weirdos.
The only Kevin Smith movie I have ever liked is Chasing Amy. The only Kevin Smith DVD I own is the two part interview with Stan Lee. That is magical, but because of Stan. I did buy Smith's Spider-Man & Black Cat, and then waited the four years or whatever to get the conclusion. That really pissed me off. -
What a prick. Why was he constantly fucking with Ming? And he has a girlfriend? Bizarre.
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Do you guys hate him because you think he is a geek (just like you) but less talented than you are (in your mind) and still achieved success whereas you are relegated to bitching on the internet about how untalented and lucky Kevin Smith is?
And you lostboytexasshole, can you not see that randomly wishing death on someone for no reason at all, possibly, makes you the “worst human being EVER”?
Civilised answers awaited and appreciated.
Cheers
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who owes his entire "career" to the whims and machinations of Harvey Weinstein.
His fifteen minutes expired in 1999 or so but he keeps shambling along telling his god damned Jon Peters gay robot stories. -
I like his earlier movies. He can just be a whiny bitch sometimes. He pretends to be self deprecating but can't take any criticism. He hates people who talk shit about him and movies in general on the net when he does the same Goddamned thing on stage and through his films. And since he somehow managed to fuck up a Bruce Willis action comedy, he publicly blames Willis and takes his ball and goes home. So I like some of Smith's work but he kind of comes off as a twat IRL.
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*He pretends to be self deprecating but can't take any criticism.*
Definitely the worst thing I personally think about his personality.
A guy can write one shitty review or comment on him, and probably get 6 hours devoted to him in Smith's podcasts, where he repeatedly tells people why you should never give critics the mental space in your head... inbetween giving that one critic all the space in his head.
His podcast where he essentially blamed the marketing department for Zack and Miri's failure, is 2 hours of self-serving misery that is truly cringe inducing to listen to.
Another thing I really don't like is that during his Smodcasts with (the much funnier) Scott Mosier, if Scott makes a joke, Kevin will repeat the joke and then ruin it by running it into the ground, giggling to himself the whole time.
I don't think he's ever improved one of Scotts lines, but it's like he can't let Scott be funny without trying (and failing) to one up him.
All that said, I still do like the fat mans work. But the best podcasts on his network have nothing to do with him anymore. Mohr's stories, for example. Or Tell Em Steve-Dave.
Comic Book Men, like Impractical Jokers, gets my viewing vote because of TESD. Not Kevin Smith. -
Who IS that loser? He doesn't even work there, just hangs out all day? What a self important smug jackass he was. The show, for what it is, was amusing but that shithead was repulsive...the flea market scene where he started throwing the plates to the ground, what is his deal? Everytime I go to my local comics shop there's a loser just like him there... LOUD ALWAYS THINKING HE IS THE LIFE OF THE PARTY ... wow I hated that asswipe. More than anything else, he is the reason I won't watch this again.
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Even if he pussed out on the ending of Red State, but I hate this fucking show. It's like the worst stereotypes of comic book stores come to life. There isn't a single woman at this shop? It's like it's stuck in the early 90's. No comic book shop I go to is filled with middle aged losers like that anymore.
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His career should have taken a nose dive since Chasing Amy, but noooooooo we had to endure further nonsense like Zack and Miri, Dogma, Jersey Girl and don't get me started on Clerks 2.
Jay and Silent Bob strikes back had it's moments here and there but overall it's another lame ass comedy flick.
He's the Bob Orci of Comedic Films.
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Feb 13, 2012 7:50:54 AM CST
I sometimes agree with Herc but other times he is WAAAAYYYY off! I mean some of the shows he never gives space to.... or "says" he doesn't like.... is hilarious!
by silentbobafett2
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That is Bryan Johnson Kevin's high school friend and host of Tell'em Steve Dave Podcast. He is a good guy he was just giving Ming shit, Bryan is fuuny as hell I think he will warm up to after awhile.
He doesn't even work at the store he just comes by and hangs out with walt.
As a fan of the podcast I thought the show was ok. I will watch again I hope there is less staged bits and more of just them interacting with each other because that is really what makes the podcasts so great. They have all been friends for years and it comes through really well on the podcasts. -
They where going to add a women but Walt was against it. Because these guys work in the shop, why change it for TV and make it something it's not.
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I have a friend, a girl, who was temporarily involved with the show. Long story short, Walt treated her like shit because he doesn't believe girls can like comics (what a cool guy...)
Apparently Bryan was the one that jumped to her defense and has apologized frequently since the incident. He's a little obnoxious, but apparently a good dude overall. -
with the comic book guy from the simpsons. stupid dmca's have those clips pulled down from the net. yay fox, brilliant.
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Don't know if I would have if I wasn't a comic fan. I'll keep watching.
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Here's one. Kevin Smith's work lacks context and depth. He's a silly, supercillious man who makes silly, shallow films. Junk like RED STATE remind me of Piss Christ--an insult that couldn't exist without a two thousand year plus history of religion. I'm not religious, but I know enough not to insult the beliefs of others because I don't have the fucking answers, and I doubt a fat toad like Smith does, either.
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..In the extras for Clerks 2, Smith shows Tarantino and Rodriguiz a rough cut of th film. They start telling him how he could edit some parts to help the pacing and hurry the story along...the look on Smith's face is priceless. He looks completly aghast and starts backing out the room while trying to act cool and professional...Dont get me wrong, i'm a huge fan of Clerks but the more exposure he gets/gives the more annoying he seems to be. I read his 'diary' a while back and couldn't get over the fact that most of it seemed to be spent goin for take out,or lounging about playing on line poker.
He's incredibly rich now, guess it's time to stop pretending to be one of the fans.. -
Feb 13, 2012 12:10:38 PM CST
Well at least this show depicts the average white racist douchebags that work at most comic shops
by moosemalloy
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I just haven't cared for the majority of Smith's work. If he can make tons of money, then more power to him. As far as this show goes, I spent the entire time wishing Ming would give every one of them a poke in the beezer...especially the Johnny Legend wannabe.
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Feb 13, 2012 12:37:08 PM CST
Comic store owners are scavengers feeding off the corpse of a dead industry.
by cookylamoo
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where the Deleted Scenes are as long, if not longer, than the actual movie. Granted, there's about 20 minutes of Justin Long and Brandon Routh improvising that bit they did over the end credits. Still, a lot of it was stuff that was cut from the movie.
Smith seems to have trouble being both writer and director. The writer in him wants to give the director as much as possible to work with. The director in him wants to film everything written and, I guess, sort it out in editing. Seems Smith's greatest talent as a filmmaker is in the editing room.
re: "His podcast where he essentially blamed the marketing department for Zack and Miri's failure"
He did the same thing with Mallrats. In the commentary he says the film's failure to find an audience was due to Gramercy not knowing how to promote it properly. Sure, I think there's some validity to that. However, it was also the studio that wanted him to cut all that crap at the beginning to get them to the mall faster. Having watched what was cut, it was definitely the right decision. Love it or hate it, had Mallrats been released as Smith had envisioned it, it would have been a lot worse. -
I'll preface this by saying that I like all of Smith's Jersey Trilogy films and the commentaries are especially entertaining and I admire that guys like Affleck and Damon came in an did them at the height of their popularity when they didn't need to.
But Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was fucking dark towards the internet. Smith used Affleck to go on this tirade against the internet community and sad and pathetic they were and then at the end of course Jay and Bob beat the shit out of all of them. It was kind of desperate.
So anyway, at the end of the commentary, Smith asks the room that if he was just a regular guy, would he be one of these internet geeks and everyone laughed, and said "WTF, are you kidding?". He didn't seem too happy. -
Not THE GREATEST MOVIES EVER MADE, but pretty damn entertaining. Clekrs and Amy are personal and hillarious at the same time, and Dogma is amazing just for existing. A biblical movie based on comic book logic... It's flawed but awesome. Yes Smith is kind of an idiot, but come on, all geeks are, that's why we spend our time at sites like this. And yes, he is a self promoter, but that's part of his job description. Jersey Girl and Cop Out are terrible, but Red State is pretty neat. If the vilest most hateful talkbackers held themselves anywhere near to the standards they hold filmmakers, they would have no choice but to kill themselves.
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I think why people hate him is because of his ego.
Dont get me wrong he's always had an ego but it's grown since the late 90s
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but this show, like all the other fake ass pawn/tow/storage shows, sucks.
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That would be my reaction too if that hack Robert Rodriguez tried to tell how to do anything. Even if I did ask for his opinion.
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But Tarantino says something along the lines of 'if you cut that line an go straight to the next scene you can lose some of that other dialogue' Smith ends up in a doorway looking like someones pissed on his kid!!
I used to own all Smith's films until i had what alcholics call a moment clarity and got rid of em all with Clerks 1 an 2 being the exception. -
Feb 13, 2012 3:50:24 PM CST
Really, jackiejokeman? I think Rodiguez is a pretty good filmmaker
by mugato5150
He's definitely getting too wrapped up in his Grindhouse thing. He needs to realize that's it's a parody and not actually film material bit El Mariachi, Desperado, From Dusk Till Dawn, Sin City, Planet Terror and although it's not my demo, someone somewhere likes the Spy Kinds movies. He has a pretty good track record, IMO.
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Clerks I & II were amusing as well.
Chasing Amy is probably his best film.
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Because you're projecting like a motherfucker.
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Feb 13, 2012 6:32:51 PM CST
seems like it's desperate to come up with enough footage to fill an hour
by bob cryptonight
That's what I thought when they annnounced they were making this show!! Not every freaking business needs a reality show, Hollywood!
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Feb 13, 2012 6:46:11 PM CST
I can't wait to hear Kev bitch, moan and scream when AMC pulls the plug on it
by chuck_chuckwalla
That's when he's the most entertaining, sadly enough.
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Feb 13, 2012 9:06:15 PM CST
kevin smith about six months away from dying of a heart attack
by maxcherry
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Feb 13, 2012 9:14:14 PM CST
@thxmike, I hate Kevin Smith because he is a big fat douchebag….
by maxcherry
His first 3 movies: Clerks, Mallrats, and Chasing Amy were good. Remember the part good, they weren't great. The movies were good because he was able to successfully capture how 90's gen x youth were. Thats what he knew and what allowed those movies to be good. After those first 3 movies, all of his movies have been shit. The guy has no ability past portraying gen x youth, and and once gen x became adults and in their thirties that was no longer a subject for movies. So basically he has no talent pass portraying he is own generation in their youth.
He is a terrible comic book writer. He bitches and moans like a little baby. Did you get the part about the way he bitches and moans like a little baby. Add that fact in with that all his movies after Chasing Amy have sucked, is pretty much why people hate him. -
Feb 13, 2012 9:48:18 PM CST
Sorry but at this juncture Kevin Smith is a D list celebrity...
by maxcherry
he has become less and less of a celebrity as his movies have gotten worse and worse. The only things that get him attention is his bitching and moaning on his blog, podcast, and speaking events. It's funny how slams internet geeks when he is one him self, after all he blogs non fucking stop.
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I am sure Kane did a lot of these as he whiled away time art various eateries.
I doubt it is so rare but fairly rare.
I bought mine for $50 about 30 yrs ago from a friend who worked at a hotel in the Catskills that Kane often stayed at.
The drawing is done on the back of the menu.
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Feb 14, 2012 12:34:01 PM CST
Will this be his biggest failure with such a huge lead in?? (point for point flaws)
by stallone82
I have to say im a huge Kevin Smith fan, but I think we are getting to the end with him.... Kevin had a Super Bowl Commercial for his CLERKS Cartoon and it couldnt get past what the 6th episode???
Now Kevin has the Walking Dead, one of the biggest show on cable! I have a feeling this show will get to about the 6th episode again if it's lucky!
Problems with the Show
- Ive never seen a 40+ year old with PIMPLES, damn Walt for a guy that tries to come off as the coolest guy in that room, wash your face, nice watching you pimple raise and then be smaller - from shot to shot in the edits.
- Way to many B-Shot/ B-Roll of people's facial reactions! The show has to many edits for what it is supposed to be... the fake feeling is coming from so many cut in shots of people's facial reactions to stuff. Watch Pawn Stars and edit your show like that!
- Way to many things going on for a 1 hour show and all them are rushed! Ok we have a Pawn Stars, a Podcast, a Pre-planned selling contest and a fake "clerks" lets talk about customers.
- Kevin's overly trying to laugh at stuff thats not funny. We know Kevin, we have seen him and all these guys for 20 years and seeing Kevin and others TRY to fake/force laughter in the sit-down podcast section was just horrible.
EVERYTHING just had a layer of fake over the whole production! -
Feb 14, 2012 12:52:20 PM CST
@stallone82 - You know they only made 6 episodes of Comic Book Men, right?
by v'shael
If it goes 6 episodes, it will have aired the entire run / season.
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But the bad news for Walt and the gang, is that they dropped 6 million, from TWD lead in.
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Hi Guys well having just watched this show check out some of my amateur attempts to entertain and divert. Hope you like it. Oh and for the record I'm an Uber Geek and proud of it.
LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHxVkWKqXBg&context=C30b6a79ADOEgsToPDskL-f0sWUnR7KRit8adS-T6r
All the best, Kristian
P.S. Usually found posting on the Doc Backs. -
I thought Walt and Bryan are genuinely funny, especially during the framing show, and Ming takes the abuse with a shrug. The "Hotdogs are for closers" line made me laugh. The interactions with the customers seems weak thou. I wouldn't mind that Bob Kane autographed sketch either.
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