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Friday Brings SWEEPS DAY NINE!! Gab Here About Tonight’s FRINGE!! Plus Einstein on TIM, Wiig On PORTLANDIA, MAHER, CLONE, GIFTED, GRIMM, SPARTACUS, SUPERNATURAL, GOLD RUSH And More!!
On last week’s “Fringe,” we met Astrid’s dad and learned The Observers get their superpowers from a cylinder that emits a bright blue glow.
On tonight’s “Welcome to Westfield,” Peter, Olivia and Walter come face to face with a mysterious and terrifying Fringe event as they get trapped in a town from which there is no escape.
Last week’s “Tim” featured the great Fred Willard; this week we get the great Bob Einstein:
Kristin Wiig guest stars on tonight’s “Portlandia”:
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Now with mega-lens flares!
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Two firsts in one day? Maybe... I love The Life and Times of Tim. Every episode I find myself whispering "Oh Tim..."
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Cuz that crappy animation makes Beavis & Butthead look like Fantasia.
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Not that the last few weeks have been bad, they've just been annoyingly solid. I want a proper balls-to-the-wall crazy episode, think the last one of them was probably Olivia escaping from the alternate universe. I'm not hating this season, just not loving it that much either
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http://tinyurl.com/83zkw9z
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Spartacus bitches.
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seventh is the new first. It'l true. love fringe this year.
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I no longer look forward to the episodes each week, and I find I have to literally force myself to pay attention through each episode. The last two weeks, agreed, haven't been "horrible" like the rest of this season truly has been, but they're not good enough to make me care about versions C and D of the characters I grew to love over 3 seasons. I don't know who these people are or why I should care about them...but I don't. Every episode just exemplifies the fact that these people are close to the ones I love...but simply and plainly not them. And its officially ruined the show for me. I hope that it ends this season so I can have closure to the series and not have to watch very many episodes anymore. I'm not quitting, but this show has major problems that I doubt can be fixed in the final third of this season.
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it has lost some of its luster, can agree with forcing myself to pay attention. but tonight is going to be a good one....and i mean good enough that it may hook you back in...
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Did you win your case?
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You are sadly, and completely, correct in your analysis. It's been drudgery to watch since the middle of last season as far as I'm concerned. It hurts moreso because Fringe used to be a show I dearly loved. What happened to the Pattern, ZFT, the manifesto and a great number of other things? I love where they went with the alternate universe and the grudge match between the two Walters, but once we got "the Machine" and universes C and D, everything seems like a big fat LOST-style reset button. Sigh. I had grown to trust Fringe never to do that to me. So, emotionally, I'm almost fully checked out now.
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I got a fine for not wearing a seltbelt (click it or ticket!), but I was in court because I just moved to CA and hadn't gotten my CA drivers license yet, and they made me come in and prove that I had gotten one. So that was thrown out. Win-Lose, plus some wasted time. Side note, I watched that movie "Insidious" last night, as well this foreign film The Counterfeiters, about jewish forgers in a concentration camp being forced into forging british and american currency for the Nazi's war effort. Anyone seen either of these? Insidious was decent for what it was, but it clearly needed a bigger budget and the ending was weak in my opinion.
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wish it was just 12/13 eps with a tighter schedule like the last few seasons of Lost in an alternate universe it probably is
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I still like having you, Alex and Amanda over.
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I don't think Peter will go back to version A, a timeline where he existed, I think this will be where Peter stays as he continues to develop relationships with Walter and Olivia of version C
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Been a victim of 'Click It or Ticket' myself, so I feel your pain. As for Insidious, I thought it was a good return to the old school ghost story....until the ending. The problem with the whole 'Further' aspect is that it felt like it belonged in a different movie, and was explored a bit too late in the film. The imagery of all the dead and lost souls was kind of striking, but it just felt too out of left field with the rest of the movie. The Darth Maul/Goat thing made for an interesting villain, I wish they would have just stuck to that a bit more. The gotcha style ending was definitely a play at setting up a sequel, which to the credit of the filmmakers worked, since part two is on the way.
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I love red/blue/amber verse equally, tbh.
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So, yeah, though I hate to admit it, this season hasn't been the best. However, I think at it's worst, Fringe is better than a lot of the genre stuff out there at the moment. The problem I feel plagues the show the most, is that it's reach is exceeding it's grasp. The idea of bringing in 3rd and 4th universes and characters is great in concept, but it just hasn't been explored in a satisfying fashion...yet. Having so many variations of the same characters can be off setting to the casual, or newer fan attempting to get on board with the show. Having said that though, I remember there being a period of time where X-Files felt the same way. It just got a bit too far away from the core elements, but in the end they brought the series back to center. Just looking at where Fringe stands in the ratings, it's always a toss up if the show will ever live to see another season. With that in mind, I hope the creative team has a clear cut vision of where they are taking this season. I don't mind a slow build if it brings something truly memorable and impactful by seasons end.
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You're describing what I consider the biggest problem of this season, even bigger than my apathy towards versions C and D of our characters, is that this is now exclusively Peters story, and not the story of a dysfunctional family in Peter, Olivia and Walter. They completely and irrevocably changed the show by making it expressly about peter and his challenge to "exist" again, leaving Olivia and Walter to be weird empty puppet characters in service of that journey. That is a version of the show I do not care to watch, and if Peter never goes back to A and B....then I really don't care how the show ends, because it won't be satisfactorily if thats true. The idea of that changes my entire perception of what the show is about. So frustrating.
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The Further is an interesting concept, but they either needed to be all about it, or hint at it and really go all in for the sequel, which is what I imagine they will do. I was way more invested in the first half of the flick than the second and I think you're correct on why. The demon goat guy was interesting, but not fleshed out enough (even for a demon/goat antagonist) It did have some fun beats though and I respect it for being fairly fresh in terms of storytelling (the wife wants to leave the fucked up house and they actually move out! how novel, characters acting rational in a horror movie for once!) It was the ways it subverted genre that made it watchable.
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Supernatural really should have finished with the 5th season, the last two seasons have had some good and very good eps, but had far too many average and very poor eps I keep watching (probably stupidly and in vain) of it getting back to its best but it probably isn't going to happen and starting to resemble the last few seasons of the X-Files all too much. Cable has it right with its 12/13 eps a season, and I still think that a show doesn't need anymore than 5/6 seasons
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You hit it right on the head, it was the subversive, and intelligent nature of the characters that made it easier to watch, and to root for them. It kept it from feeling like A Poltergeist rehash.
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I share your thoughts about Supernatural. I like the show, always have, but it has lost it's way the last few seasons. What always struck me, and still does anytime I watch a new episode that I end up disliking, is that the show was always intended to only go 5 seasons. Eric Kripke (sp?) had said all along he had a definitive story arc that would end after season 5. Now, given that it is on CW, and they haven't had a lot of success with genre entertainment, save for Smallville, which was beginning to wind down its run, I can imagine they threw a lot of money at all involved to keep the show going. But, despite the negative aspects, Jensen Ackles and Jared Padelecki still make it watchable. They've done such a good job with the characters, Ackles in particular, that it's hard to not enjoy and buy in to the their brotherhood.
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I kind of like the show enough to watch it but I'd like to see it end. It's like a cell phone contract I just want to end so I can be free to do what I want.
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Feb. 10, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
crow I think you are right re Peter's story and the "family" dynamic
by Miyamoto_Musashi
Peter seems to be the only Constant (borrowing from my favourite show), as he is not meant to exist. We could see that same family dynamic develop here in what I think Peter will ultimately except as his home. It won't be quite the same but it will be similar. I think it has started from the most recent eps and will continue.
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Nice.
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and going back to my X-Files comparrison, at least the two main actors are still there and they make the show. If either of them left, then it would really be all over
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Agreed 100%. It is the one credit to the show though, they've done such a good job of building up the main characters, and the supporting regular cast, that when characters like Bobby, or Daddy Winchester, died it actually meant something and affected the show. Dean going to hell, Sam losing his soul, they were good story arcs, but there was never a single doubt that they'd be back, for the reason you stated. I think it hurt the stories in a sense. As for you take on Fringe, I think you hit the nail on the head again.
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Feb. 10, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
Supernatural's ratings are not far off of Fringe's ratings.
by I_Love_LanaLang
Even on a minor broadcast network and with a weak lead-in, Supernatural continues to put up decent numbers. While not quite as good as it used to be, the show is still entertaining. I would like to give Fringe a second chance, but there sure are a lot of negative posts about the show. I'm not sure if I want to invest the time in a show that's apparently so uneven in terms of quality. I'm truly on the fence about Fringe.
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The gods themselves can bend me over and insert cock up ass, if Spartacus isn't the most anticipated show in my house. Nikita - I've been following Nikita's story in all it's forms ever since the original movie. Last weeks revelations that Amanda is working with Gogle and having Madeline as the sole surviving member of Oversight, just make me love the show more. Supernatural - absolutely agree with above, it should have ended with Sam falling in to the Pit at the end of Season 5. The only interesting point this year was what happened to Bobby. Fringe - It's like the little engine that could. Yeah, you can climb that hill. But you're still just a little engine. It's cute to see you try so hard. But it's just not worth it anymore. Maybe their morale was shot to hell when the show was consigned to the Friday night grave yard slot.
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Feb. 10, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
Primetime Cable News Ratings (25-54 demo) - it looks like Fox News is dominant.
by I_Love_LanaLang
I saw that Herc had listed some Fox News ratings, and I was curious about how they fared against the other cable news outlets. I was surprised by the dominance of Fox News: Fox News: O'Reilly - 694 Hannity - 610 Greta - 442 MSNBC: Ed Show - 250 Maddow - 355 O'Donnell - 231 CNN: Primary Coverage - 252 Primary Coverage - 315 Cooper - 355 HLN: Grace - 167 Dr. Drew - 92 Grace - 83 http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/category/ratings
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Sure its been difficult getting used to new versions of the characters that we know and love, but its been expremely interesting seeing the road not taken versions of each character and last weeks episode was a perfect example where we got to see the effects of different chioces and how different characters that don't normally meet did. This has been an awesome character study. As for the idea of Peter being "suddenly" the focus he was the focus last season with the machiene and his kidnapping so its not a new thing. In fact if you listen to the behind the scenes material in the season 1 DVDs JJ Abrams talked about how the core concept of Fringe at the begining was a mad scientist and how his son deals with him. The FBI agent idea was just added in later in order to smooth out the dynamic. So this show has always revoled around Peter and his relationship to Walter. This season is a perfect example of that with the way that Walter was/is without having Peter in his life. But ether way the creator have said that this storyline will be wrapped up by seasons end just like the machiene one did last season and then next season (knock on wood) we will be off to another crazy season long theme and frankly I welcome it, because we rarely get something this awesome that pushes the boundies of the run of the mill cop, doctor, lawyer, etc shows. The fringe train is running full steam ahead, jump on for the spectacular vistas!
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Cuz the show is awesome.... *Beep* the haters, "Back to Where You've Never Been" and "Enemy of my Enemy" were awesome, and Torv and Noble always hit it out of the park every week.
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I reckon WB will agree to a lower license from Fox for a final season, for syndication purposes.
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Feb. 10, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
If Portlandia could get its wildly inconsistent writing under control
by Xiphos_2
It would become a very good show. As it stands now though its just amusing and all over the map.
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As sad as I am to not have Andy Whitfield to work with the material anymore, I gotta say that Spartacus still kicks major ass. The reveal of Asher last week kind of had to been anticipated but none the less, fuckin fantastic job.
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While I can understand the changes on Fringe that have left some fans cold, I agree with your assessment, and find Fringe and its characters/universes permutations to be rather brilliant writing. Sameness eventually makes most series feel like you are punching the clock at work and just putting in time in something that you initially loved with unfettered fondness. With Fringe, it is the distinct lack of sameness, keeping the viewer off balance, requiring thought to just keep up with the character changes and the dynamics of their interaction throughout and across the multi-ierses, that makes this show challenging and brilliant. SF, on TV, that is executed with subtlety and intelligence, should be lauded with praise, and Fringe is just such a show. Lost had people jumping ship as well as it went along, so I hope all former Lost fans who are now watching Fringe, and are not feeling it like they used to, open up a little, loosen the sphincter about those elements that bother you, and you may begin to see a larger picture that you may be missing because you are focusing too much on the yet to blossom trees, while forgetting the splendor and majesty of the entire forest .
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Feb. 10, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
STOP THE PRESSES! - MANY REALLY STUPID PEOPLE WATCH FOX *NEWS*
by Michael Lunney
Also at 11, the sun will come out tomorrow, winter tends to be colder, hot dogs are not made of dog, Obama is a Muslim and not a US citizen, santorum does not make a good sandwich spread, and asian people really can drive well. We report, you decide.
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Haha, that is fucking filthy and disgusting.
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Feb. 10, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
Is tonight is an excellent time to come back to Fringe? From someone who has seen tonight's episode- *SPOILERS*
by Michael Lunney
Say you were a regular Fringe watcher at some point during the past, but you've dropped off in the past year in the face of one contrived plot twist too many. In that case, tonight's episode would be an excellent place to jump back on. Without going into spoilers, tonight's episode feels like old-school Fringe, in all the important ways: 1) Walter is getting out of the lab, and we're reminded that half the fun of Walter Bishop is seeing him interact with his environment. 2) There's a creepy mystery, and things just get scarier and weirder as the episode goes on — there's no "creepy stuff that sort of peters out once we know what's happening" this time around. 3) It's very much focused on our main trio, and their relationships advance in meaningful, fascinating ways. 4) You get some huge hints about what's going on with the season's arc, and the big mysteries have a promising new twist. All in all, I'd say this is a pretty decent episode for people who miss the "old" Fringe.
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Feb. 10, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
STOP THE PRESSES IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOUR PREFERED PROPAGANDA/"NEWS"/DISINFORMATION SERVICE
by Xiphos_2
Isn't a corporate welfare queen, water carrying, lying piece of shit then you are a mouth breathing fucktard and a major part of the problem. good lord stop being fucking puppets of the moribund two party system you fucking idiots. It isn't "right" vs "left" or republicrat vs. demican or "liberal vs "conservative' you easily led by the nose dumb fucks its US v THEM. US being citizens and them being lying thieving politicians who don't give a flying fuck about you. I weep for the future if you dummies can't realize that, those English degrees and theater tech certificates didn't do jack shit for your ability to think you can only parrot what the man wants you parrot.
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Oh and of course Online MW3 Deathmatches an,d UMVC Tournaments. Only thing missing is Beer and munchies. Bring it bitches!
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Portland?
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I really don't think Peter will be transported back to his universe. And I'm really interested to see if they can make it so that we didn't lose the characters from seasons 1-3, and don't make S4 only important to Peter. I've liked this season, but my appreciation of the season as a whole will hinge a lot on how they reconcile the two timelines (for lack of a better word).
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....only once he wakes up back at that point in time when he entered the machine, he is going to wish he had a bridge from which he could jump. Seriously though, I think the Observers, the good Observer(August?) will eventually bring us back to what we love most about Fringe. Don't forget, they are the ones that erased him from all time, or tried to. As a show, they simply must get back to where he came from at some point. When they do, I surmise Peter will have gained the knowledge to fix the rifts that are tearing apart the 1st two universes at that point in time/space.
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What is that you are looking for? If you don't like it stop watching it. Or better yet, get off your fat asses and go write something better. Or just shut the fuck up. Whatever you choose, I beg of you to stop the whining.
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Because I beg you to re-read my complaints on Fringe above...I don't think it's very "whiny" to be honest. And I agree, people do whine about things (ahem, Lana_lang about everything ever) but whining is more like vague bullshit "I hate this, it sucks". I'm pretty sure talkbacks are made for people to discuss their feelings on why a show is or isn't doing good, and should strive to be better than just a bunch of people yelling "Fringe Is Great!" or "Boo Fringe Sucks Now!" and then leaving. So why don't you fuck off lika-do-the-cha-cha, because most of us are having a fairly thoughtful discussion.
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is that a shout out to Avery Brooks' recent headlines?
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smeyer44 is right, the success of this season of Fringe is dependent on how they resolve the timelines. At the moment its hard to get invested in the characters because the expectation is that all of this will get reset in some way or at least will fundementally change again in the future. On the one level thats quite challenging storytelling but it doesn't quite work for me. It reminds me very much of the flashsideways on LOST, just hoping the ultimate resolution is more satisfying on Fringe. But yeah it's a discussion forum. That means criticism is par for the course not sure why certain people can't seem to grasp that
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Feb. 10, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
just 2 and half more hours till Maher vomits his lies, distortions, bigotry and misogyny....
by jay2517
....in other words, a typical Bill Maher show. cant wait!!
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Lucky, so how were you able to see tonights episode early? I agree with you totally, every single season both Fringe and Lost have done something totally different and unexpected. People may not like what they did in a given season, but you have to give them credit for their briliance in changing things up all the time and making you think. Even at its lowest both are/were far better then a lot of stuff on TV.
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He's just nabbed that from io9, he hasn't seen the episode
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What horseshit! Just last week I was reading the talkback that people were saying how things were looking up on Fringe. Now this week we get people saying it needs to get better! As I've noticed before all shows have a pattern that they follow. With Fringe they are always setting things up during the first half of the season and then spend the rest resolving the problem. This season is no different. Now we're finally getting into who the current villan is and finding out more about the observers. This show is easily the best SF show on TV and I can't wait for tonight's episode!
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How about if you just stop watching and let the rest of us continue to enjoy the show!
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" You want us to discuss what you said about Fringe so here's what you said : "I no longer look forward to the episodes each week, and I find I have to literally force myself to pay attention through each episode. The last two weeks, agreed, haven't been "horrible" like the rest of this season truly has been, but they're not good enough to make me care about versions C and D of the characters I grew to love over 3 seasons. I don't know who these people are or why I should care about them...but I don't. Every episode just exemplifies the fact that these people are close to the ones I love...but simply and plainly not them. And its officially ruined the show for me. I hope that it ends this season so I can have closure to the series and not have to watch very many episodes anymore. I'm not quitting, but this show has major problems that I doubt can be fixed in the final third of this season. " The only thing I can say is that what you've said here is very subjective. In otherwords your opinion. Not all of us share it. It's strange but with this new timeline some of the the things that didn't work with the old one are fixed. I also find that the characters are falling into their old roles so I'm not haveing a problem. I'm sorry you don't see it that way.
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Perhaps this article might help : http://io9.com/5884075/tonight-is-an-excellent-time-to-come-back-to-fringe I don't mean to plug another site but I just read this and tonight's episode sounds really good!
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Just stop watching Fringe. It doesnt need fans like you. Im not picking a fight, Im not trolling. Its a great show that has more balls on it than just about anything on television. It is a rare thing in that it is an ode to the people who love it. You obviously dont get it and thats ok. I beseech you to write something better or spend your passion on shows you actually like. Fringe isnt for you.
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Amen Brother to just about everything you have said. Fringe rocks.
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Feb. 11, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST
Looks like Desmonds going to be working with Peter!?!?!?!?!
by room23storeblogspotcom
Fringe Exclusive: Lost's Henry Ian Cusick Cast as [Spoiler] – But in Which Universe? Michael Ausiello Lost reunion alert: Former island dweller Henry Ian Cusick is headed to Fringe this spring, TVLine has learned exclusively. Cusick will play an FBI agent assigned to a Fringe case in this season’s 19th episode. It’s unclear if this is the same role we told you about earlier this week, that of an “Alternate Universe Agent” that possesses strength and confidence as well as strong comic timing. Safe to say it is (except, as we know, the FBI doesn’t exist “over there.” Or at least it didn’t before Peter vanished. OK, now we’re all confused.) The gig reteams Cusick with his former Lost boss (and Fringe EP) J.J. Abrams, hence the “reunion” we touted above. Cusick recently wrapped production on the first season of ABC’s new Shonda Rhimes-produced drama Scandal, which premieres on April 5 after Grey’s Anatomy. http://www.tvline.com/2012/02/fringe-henry-ian-cusick/
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Looks like they are already in the process of bringing this episode to somesort of conclusion in the finale with the two Olivias merging.
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Yes, you're such a fan of fringe that you advocate it should lose one of its truest fans as a viewer, someone who has watched every single episode, including the pilot, as it aired or within a few hours or airing. Well played. Saying that because I'm disappointed with the direction the show has taken and pointing out what I feel are mistakes as to why I'm not enjoying this season does not mean I should give up. That's what being a true fan is. Not sittin around jerking the show off no matter what it does. Cool post above , "yea man fringe rocks! Woo!". Deep. You're like those people who say being critical of America as an American and saying we could better in some ways is equivalent to being a freedom-hating liberal who should move to Europe. You're a moron friend. It's okay.
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But it's daring and a huge fucking breath of fresh air. I actually have hope for Fringe to continue because I do think they are heading towards an end... Just not this season. They have to be close to syndication numbers. That is huge for television. It's why 30 Rock survived and now makes big cash. Syndication. Fringe may survive for that reason alone. Will see. I'm not happy with Universe C and D thing... But it's interesting enough to keep me totally interested. It's better than pretty much anything else out there. I'm sticking with it until the end! When it comes I'll really be sad because that's just one more show off my "must watch" shows.
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Still plenty of problems, but it was a good episode of fringe. However, now I'm confused because it seems like we're back to it not actually being C and D, but rather the originals minus Peter. That is what I originally thought the story was going to be when the season started, and that was the story I was excited for, because it's interesting and I thought they'd resolve it fairly quickly and everyone would remember and Peter would re-appear and we'd move on. But instead, for this entire season, it's been the opposite of that, and I think up until this week we'd all really gotten the impression we were in universes C and D and peter needs to get "back" and bullshit. So if that was all misdirection and they really did waste an entire season just to go back to having Olivia and Walter "remember" Peter and then bring him back into the timeline...wow. I'm sorry, you guys can love it and call it daring and whatever, and in a way it is. But it resulting in an incredibly boring, stalled, and drawn out season. I'm so sorry to the "true" Fringe fans, but I don't love it. I think it was a terrible storytelling choice when you can consider the possibilities that they could have gone with in regards to the end of S3 into S4. Instead, they chose this. And that's why I'm not entirely pleased.
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Feb. 11, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST
I still think that A, B, C and D are different
by room23storeblogspotcom
This episode itself explained that its the two Olivias/worlds coming together. The rest of the season I'm guessing will be them trying to stop Jones from merging A/B with C/D and then him returning to A and/or building a four way bridge.
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Feb. 11, 2012, 1:56 a.m. CST
Good Fringe episode, but whatever happened to Olivia being superhuman?
by aceattorney
She just seems like a normal person now.
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I talked to Jesus and He told me CNN gets 17 times the adults 18-49 audience of Fox News. If you disagree you're a disgusting anti-Christian bigot.
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they used in the pilot?
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Best show on tv, by far.
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Just another example of a terrific storyline growing from season 1 all the way thru 3 that was completely abandoned and forgotten in favor of this unfortunate storyline.
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Haters go away... Fringe was way better than Spartacus and Supernatural.
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In the previous reality it was David Robert Jones that started Olivia realizing that she even has powers when Walter caused with cotexifan. But in this reality Walter stopped giving it to her, but Nina kept it going under Jones orders up unto now. But since they are only now meeting Jones now no one has told her or trained her in her powers. I would bet though by end of season ether she learns it from Jones or from Earth 1's Olivia since the two are one temporarily. In fact something that I just thought of is that maybe thats the reason for yet again having two personalities inside of Olivia (last years Bell/Olivia storyline) so that E1 Olivia can teach E3 Olivia her powers? So the long short of it this Olivia has the ability just not the training.
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That's just me though.
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From what I understand they shot the pilot in Toronto, Season 1 in New York and then the rest of the season in Vancouver since taxes are far too high. (Which is also why California is starting to lose some of its movie buisness). So they could have made a special trip to Toronto for that scene, but most likely they found a similar one in Vancouver.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series) The two-hour pilot episode, filmed in Toronto, Canada, cost a total of $10 million to create. A basement of an old church was used for Walter's lab set in the pilot, and this set was replicated at other film sites in New York and Vancouver when the show moved.[32][33] John Noble called his character's lab "the heart and soul of Fringe", so consequently, "That has to remain constant."[32] A cow used in the pilot episode had to be recast when production of Season 1 was moved to New York, due to livestock restrictions preventing it from being brought from Canada to the United States. Other locations used in the first season included other universities to stage for the Harvard University campus, where Walter's lab is located. These included Pratt Institute and Yale University, including its Old Campus (particularly Phelps Hall and Durfee Hall), Branford College, and the exterior of Yale Law School, University of Toronto's University College, Brooklyn College, and Bahen Centre for Information Technology. Filming of the Fringe episode "6B" in December 2010 at the Vancouver Film School building at Hastings and Cambie streets in Vancouver, staged as New York City On February 21, 2009, it was reported that in the event that Fringe would be renewed for a second season, the show would move production to Vancouver from New York City as a cost-cutting measure Executive producer Jeff Pinkner explained: "We want to stay in New York, New York has been incredibly good to us. It feels like we're being kicked out of the city. I know we're not, but they're making it impossible for us to afford doing the show... Our New York crew is spectacular, they've worked their [butts] off to make the show look great. But it looks like New York is not renewing a tax credit that makes it possible to make our budget in New York. So it looks like, out of necessity, we'll have to leave New York, which is not anything we are welcoming. Upon productions moving to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada for season 2, the University of British Columbia now stands in for Harvard. The area around New Westminster often serves as filming locations for Fringe stories that take place in the parallel universe. Fringe was officially renewed for a second and third season on May 4, 2009 and March 6, 2010, respectively, with the show being moved to Thursday nights. In the middle of the third season, the show was relocated to Friday nights, the so-called "Friday night death slot", and suffered from viewership drops (see U.S Ratings). Despite these, the Fox Network confirmed for a 22 episode pick-up for the fourth season of Fringe on March 24, 2011. The show will remain at the Friday night slot for the season.
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...oh so typical of this site and its "journalists". whats the matter Herc? cant find a Palin "story" to inject ur "republican" morals on? "I talked to Jesus and He told me CNN gets 17 times the adults 18-49 audience of Fox News. If you disagree you're a disgusting anti-Christian bigot."--- u DO know that mocking a religion is part of bigotry, right? so freaking pathetic. and let me ask u...what does Jesus say about the ratings of MSNBC and Current? just admit ur progressive hatred of all things Fox, Palin etc. and move on already. its embarrassing...
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Feb. 11, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
Btw, Herc, heres what ur racist, misogynist hypocrite Maher does in his "down time"...
by jay2517
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/bill-maher-hit-palimony-suit what do u have to say about ur "hero" now? hes just the typical hypocritical, projecting progressive. is there any other kind? uhhhhh do as i say, not as i do? utterly disgusting...
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Mocking any religion is normal - worshiping the Easter bunny is our any other deity is considered deranged Oh- and fuck yourself and your useless hatred, asshole- everyone here hates you, you know that right?
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A cunt that speaks only of Bill Maher and fuckin' progressives? If'n I didn't know any better, I'd say that he's into specialty acts.
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WE have a sayin' out here on the plains, and it goes sumthin' like this: *When your droll bib is soppin' wet, yer momma wants ya to stop skinnin' yer own snake and stop botherin' the neighbors who are mindin' thur own bizness. Put on some clothes and stop showin' the world yur shortcummins.*
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Sounds like somethin' I may have heard in a number of the towns and camps that I've operated in. Although, a statement like that in my joint is liable to gain a rejoinder of the most unpleasant fuckin' type.
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Yes but you're the one whoi wanted to " Discuss ". So when other people express how they feel you call them an " Idiot ". Futher more everything you list is still very subjective. Not all of us feel that way. Those are directions the show's taking that you don't like. Fair enough. But you haven't listed anything that would make the show out to be considered universally bad. You don't like the direction the show's taken. Some of us can see how that's leading the plot back to the begining while solving a few things. You're condeming it for being different. Not following the same old formula. Being different and unique is what Fringe has always done best. Sorry you can't see that.
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Who, pardner- we wuz both talkin bout the snake dancin loc weed crazie Jay.
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I really liked last night's episode. Things are really starting to gel now. After watching Walter's reaction to Peter ( once again ) mentioning " Getting home " and seeing what's happening to with Olivia I'm thinking Peter already is home and perhaps that's where everything will fall. Maybe the resolution to all of this is everyone remembering him or at least falling into their old roles so much that it won't make much of a difference in the demeanor of their chararacter. I mean how do some who have been missing the old chararacters feel now about Peter leaving that Walter ( after seeing the look on his face )? Or Olivia for that matter ( as she clearly seems to be discovering how she feels toward him )? I think there isn't an old timeline to go back to. I think he's already there and if everyone remembers him he's already home. I love this show and can't wait to see how this all turns out.
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Of course Fox News is at the top of the ratings. Stupid sells. Every wonder why Jersey Shore gets higher ratings than PBS?
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Feb. 11, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
Shodan6672, your reasoning concerning Fox News' dominance seems simplistic and partisan.
by I_Love_LanaLang
While I'm not a huge fan of Fox News, your comment betrays an ideological axe to grind rather than sound judgement. Does The Daily Show get better ratings than The O'Reilly Factor because its a more stupid show? Does Bill Maher's show appeal to slightly more stupid people than Hannity because it has slightly better ratings? Did blockbuster movies such as Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings trilogy do so well because they only appealed to stupid people? I ask that you refrain from typing without thinking. Do you understand?
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Feb. 11, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
I should add that I watched last night's episode of Fringe. It left me confused.
by I_Love_LanaLang
I hadn't watched Fringe since the first season. I could sense that there might an interesting storyline underneath all of the strange references and names mentioned during the episode. Unfortunately, I had no clue what they were talking about. Something about a machine. Something about a mysterious power source. Something about universes crashing into each other. Something about one guy wanting to go home. It was all very confusing and the main actors weren't very appealing.
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do you understand?
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You spoke thr truth - good for you i_love_lanalang is just a scumbag troll who hates talkbackers , hates TV, thinks all shows are for idiots, and does this same kind of shit whenever it can. you know, your typical Fox loving asshole.
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Feb. 11, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST
like i have said mcgoo...deflection is a disease best suited for progressives and atheists...
by jay2517
....i mean, do u EVEN read what u spew? the intolerance and hatred? u give good atheists a BAD name. u scream of religious intolerance yet u EMBODY it! i dont hate Maher, i PITY him. why must progressives like u and swearengen PROJECT so much?? BTW- never mind that u two totally DEFLECT from the FACTS i posted about Maher and Herc. typical.... "everyone here hates you, you know that right?"....ummm...no. just seems like u two. i would count gaius, but he doenst watch Maher so his comments have no merit :)
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Your baboon behavior isn't doing you any favors. You are the laughing stock on these talkbacks. The angrier you get the more of a joke you become. I am starting to think you can't be saved. So I will, for once, try to speak your foul language, in order to get through to your dim head. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, you Maher's pole pulling plonker. APOLOGIZE to I_love_lanalang and pray that she will find the mercy to forgive you for being such a jerkoholic.
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eat shit motherfucker
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anger schmanger-fuck you asshole
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Don't try to speak German. You are not smart enough for that.
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What the FUCK did you just call me? Progressive? I don't even know what the fuck that is. I'm owner and proprietor of the Gem Saloon in the mining camp of Deadwood. I'm an honest broker of spirits, women, and games of chance. I've been known to cut a throat but I ain't a fuckin' hypocrite like those cocksuckers in Yankton or the vipers in fuckin' Washington. So, my reply to your insult is this...GO FUCK YOURSELF. Call me something I'm not one more time and I'll have you fed to Wu's pigs.
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Feb. 11, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
Frankly I think that theres stupid mind numbed zombie Librals and Conservatives and start one on both sides and it doesn't help the conversation to be calling people stupid.
by room23storeblogspotcom
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You just proved my point, oh pathological plonker.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST
jay2517 what makes you think that Maher's ex Gf wasn't playing the "Race Card"
by Stalkeye
as some Blacks often abuse the claims if they dont get their way. And as for the "causing back and neck" injuries via shaking? I call bullshit on that too oh as if lil' Bill is strong enough to cause said injury via shake and pull. (Goddamn Lawyers will conjure up anything to make a case.) Now, I don't doubt that Maher is a Pot addicted Misogynist, but an overt Racist? I wouldn't go that far after all what "Racist" would date a Sista over 11 Months when there are a Wide selection of White Pussy out there?!? A true Racist would stick to their own kind dontcha think?
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there is no such thing as a bad atheist. not in this time and era where superstition still reigns supreme.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST
i actually wished that the producers of FRINGE listen to the propositions and ideas given by the geek fans in here.
by AsimovLives
So that they would finaly fuck it up so royaly the station would be forced to cancel the whole thing out of complete embaracement. It would be good. And next, please give Anna Torv some TV show that actually merits her.
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Feb. 12, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
by that do you just mean something classy like her naked?
by alexander
Or do you actually mean you that think she's rather good at acting Asi?
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re: "I should add that I watched last night's episode of Fringe. It left me confused. I hadn't watched Fringe since the first season." Reminds me of a joke from Perfect Couples. The husband is watching The Wire; the wife plunks down on the sofa with a bowl of popcorn and asks "What'd I miss?". He replies "About 40 episodes".
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Feb. 12, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
poor mcgoo- typical progressive tactic #1: when losing a debate, name call and insult the winner...
by jay2517
...check! thats all u lovely AICN progressives have. sad really... "jay2517 - Jesus sucks leper cocks"...my, my... how very...tolerant of u! u are a coward and a hypocrite.
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...for a progressive. kuddos :)
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Now, I don't doubt that Maher is a Pot addicted Misogynist, but an overt Racist? I wouldn't go that far after all what "Racist" would date a Sista over 11 Months when there are a Wide selection of White Pussy out there?!?
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Feb. 12, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
what the hell? it didnt post all of my post? quation marks im assuming?
by jay2517
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...u cant say that the charges are crap because Maher is a progressive. its funny when its a conservative or republican with charges, its the freaking gospel truth!! but, if its a liberal/progressive, then the charges are all of a sudden suspect! AICN hypocrisy at its finest. i agree with ur lawyer assessment. and with ur last points- u can date a black person and still be a racist. the two are not mutually exclusive. BTW- im just using Maher's own hypocritical logic against him...whats the deal with quotation marks on here anyway?
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...nice bigotry u have going there and there IS such a thing as a "bad" atheist. u seem to be a perfect example.
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Can't believe u assholes sit in this thread and argue over this asshat. FRINGE FTW..
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HA, HA, HA! Do you even know who Al Swearengen is?! Congratulations, asshole. You appear to have been duped by one of AICN's better character trolls. Methinks someone needs to do a Google/Wiki...
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...is not do i know who he is, but do i give a shit? p.s.- the same goes for u.
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No one cares ( outside of your fellow trolls ) about your trolling connected to anything JJ .
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Seriously. And I don't have to give shit. I already know who he is. Sucks to be you, eh? So, is this all you got? Or, are you going to try to continue attacking Maher with more 7 year old dismissed court filings whilst cowardly attacking atheists with nothing more than slander? •YAWN•
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Feb. 14, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
LOL! man, u have REALLY dealt a blow to my self confidence gaius!
by jay2517
seriously! and it doesnt suck to be me. i have a pretty cool life, unlike urs apparently. all i got? i guess. i dont give a shit about u or swearawho. and i think its funny that YOU of all people say its cowardly to attack anyone esp. on an internet talkback LOL! u would shrink in fear if u ever tried to say the things u type to an actual person esp. me little man. BTW- truth is neither "attacking" NOR is it slander. well, maybe to a progressive, but i digress...
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Oh, please! You're not fooling anyone, you big girl. If you're trying to make an online threat (a true, desparate low-point for anyone on the interwebs, btw...), you're going to have to do better than that. And I disagree - your life must, indeed, truly suck. Anyone who trolls Herc's TBs to simply slander Bill Maher and call people progressives (even those who clearly are not!) has NO LIFE whatsoever. It's exemplified by your sad hypocrisy vis-a-vis Maher/Cain and your utterly pathetic and out-of-nowhere attack on atheists. WTF? (Have you ever read any modern-day atheist works? Dawkins? Hitchens? Harris? I doubt it. They would have you quivering in a puddle of your own self-doubt.) I mean, is there a GOP talking-point that you WON'T carry water for? How do you stand out amongst such sheep? Personally, I think it's hysterical that you don't want to give a shit about Mr. Swearengen. The fact that you willingly claim to remain ignorant is very telling of your ability to be played for a fool. By a troll, no less! Like I said, it sucks to be you. But I digress...
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Feb. 15, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
i agree! ur intraweb "courage" IS funny :) but, lets disect ur "post"...
by jay2517
Oh, please! You're not fooling anyone, you big girl. If you're trying to make an online threat (a true, desparate low-point for anyone on the interwebs, btw...), you're going to have to do better than that. ---- not making a threat. its a statement of fact. again, that eludes ur progressive sensibilities. u are a coward. And I disagree - your life must, indeed, truly suck.---- no, it doesnt. i have a great life. again, a fact eludes u. why must progressives, such as urself, project so much?? so sad :( Anyone who trolls Herc's TBs to simply slander Bill Maher and call people progressives (even those who clearly are not!) has NO LIFE whatsoever.---- says the coward who constantly trolls MY posts. hypocrisy is a progressive virtue it seems. It's exemplified by your sad hypocrisy vis-a-vis Maher/Cain and your utterly pathetic and out-of-nowhere attack on atheists.---- uhhh no. i was correct on Maher/Cain (maybe if u actually watched his show u would understand?) and i didnt attack any atheist, they attacked ME. i responded. again, facts are ur friend! (Have you ever read any modern-day atheist works? Dawkins? Hitchens? Harris? I doubt it. They would have you quivering in a puddle of your own self-doubt.)--- ? what does that have to do with the facts i post? and i quiver for no one :) I mean, is there a GOP talking-point that you WON'T carry water for? How do you stand out amongst such sheep? ---- truth and facts are not "talking points". please try to keep up ok? sheep? again with the projection lol! Personally, I think it's hysterical that you don't want to give a shit about Mr. Swearengen. The fact that you willingly claim to remain ignorant is very telling of your ability to be played for a fool. By a troll, no less! ---- no ignorance here. i just dont give a shit about swearawhatever. why is that so hard for u to comprehend lol? and how is finding a post by him(?) funny is somehow "being played"? btw- my comment back to him(?) totally went over ur head, but that doesnt surprise me. Like I said, it sucks to be you. But I digress... ---- nope. it is really cool to be me and i find it funny that it irritates u so. why must losers constantly try to bring down winners? anyway...
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Feb. 15, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
Uh, you call that a dissection?! More like a deflection...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Wow, you're pathetic. You've just, literally, posted nothing of substance right there... Quote: not making a threat. its a statement of fact. again, that eludes ur progressive sensibilities. u are a coward. I hate to break it to you, but there is NO fact in your statement. Unless, of course, you're coping to an online threat of which I, wholeheartedly, agree is a desperate move by cowardly loser = You! Quote: no, it doesnt. i have a great life. again, a fact eludes u. why must progressives, such as urself, project so much?? so sad :( Your whole statement is projection, pal!!! Do you even understand how and why that is??? Quote: says the coward who constantly trolls MY posts. hypocrisy is a progressive virtue it seems. Uh, this is AICN Talkback, is it not? How else am I supposed to pwn losers such as yourself? And hypocrisy is a virtue to no one. See? Apparently, you don't even understand the concept! Quote: uhhh no. i was correct on Maher/Cain (maybe if u actually watched his show u would understand?) How is that even possible given the separate FACTS of both men's cases? I know that weren't capable of doing so before in the Cain thread but try explaining again. Try REAL hard... Quote: and i didnt attack any atheist, they attacked ME. i responded. again, facts are ur friend! Yes, facts are your friends. As in the fact that you attacked an atheist (Quote: u seem to be a perfect example.) So, you're calling Asimov a bad atheist? How do you know that? You don't. See? So, your fact is actually not a fact. It's a projection and an assumption that you've made...which is typical. Quote: what does that have to do with the facts i post? and i quiver for no one :) It has everything to do with your assumptions on atheists. And yes, you'd quiver. Quote: truth and facts are not "talking points". please try to keep up ok? sheep? again with the projection lol! Oh, I've kept up just fine. In fact, I've just shown you how your alleged facts are nothing more than projections. Oh, you just assume and wish things were so, don't cha? Quote: no ignorance here. FALSE. Quote: i just dont give a shit about swearawhatever. Admission of ignorance. Thanks! Quote: why is that so hard for u to comprehend lol? and how is finding a post by him(?) funny is somehow "being played"? Because you don't know who is he is, that makes his statements even more hilarious. It means that you don't get it. Quote: btw- my comment back to him(?) totally went over ur head, but that doesnt surprise me. Ooooh, nice deflection. You mean you weren't just carpet bombing the Talkback by calling everyone else a progressive? Pffft. Quote: nope. it is really cool to be me and i find it funny that it irritates u so. why must losers constantly try to bring down winners? anyway... Nothing irritating here. Like I told you in the last TB, it looks like I've gotten under YOUR skin. Either keep up or quit stealing my lines!
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as evidence of my astute breakdown of ur projection and deflection filled post. and u say I "steal" ur lines? and remember, ur OPINION is not fact. the facts i post are facts, not opinion. see the difference? ah, who am i kidding, of course u dont lol. nothing gets under my skin. again, WHY should it? i have a great life and it doesnt bother me that u dont. i feel pity that u have a horrible life, but hating on mine and projecting urs onto me is no way to go through life little man. facts are- i consistently tear ur hero Maher down every week with facts and pointing out his progressive hypocrisy etc. this is something u obviously cant handle. i understand, just quit taking it out on the messenger and blame the the source- ur hypocritical, racist, misogynist, lying "hero" Bill Maher. do us both a favor and quit trolling my posts. it will save u the embarrassment of getting ur ass handed to daily (or "pwned" LOL). it makes me feel bad...
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Feb. 16, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
How can he be my hero if I don't even watch his show?
by Mr. Nice Gaius
You see? There you go again: projection, assumption, and deflection all wrapped up in your epistemic closure-filled delusion. I mean, if you can't even keep that little item straight... then WTF, dude? Like I said when I schooled you in the other TB: this is AICN Talkback and I'll post on whatever the fuck I want. If that means slamming your posts for their partisan wankery and hypocrisy then so be it. If you can't handle it...then maybe you shouldn't troll Herc's TBs for now on. Cheers, bitch!
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sad little man.
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...cunt.
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