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Attention Todd: IRON GIANT is in the running for a Nebula for Best Dramatic Presentation
Father Geek is happy to bring Todd and the rest of you the good news that THE IRON GIANT is in the finals for the much desired NEBULA award for Best Dramatic Presentation. This is way COOOOOOL news. And personal to Todd, nice visiting with you in San Francisco last Thursday evening Todd. Thanks for the ride to the barbary coast and the Black Cat, the great meal and cool jazz too. Hope you take this news as a little bit of payback...
Hidey-ho Father Geek,
Oliver Queen here with a quick tidbit. That wonderful animated film, The
Iron Giant, has been recognized again for the greatness that it is, this
time making the final Nebula ballot for Best Dramatic Presentation (a
script award).
For those who don't know, the Nebula awards are given out
annually by the Science Fiction Writers of America, voted upon by a
membership that includes the likes of Ray Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, L.
Sprague de Camp... you get the idea. It's not a well-known award, but it
has alot of prestige associated with it. Here's the entire list of the
nominees in the script category:
Scripts
Bird, Brad and McCanlies, Tim: The Iron Giant (Warner Bros., Aug99;
based on the book The Iron Man by Ted Hughes)
Wachowski, Larry & Andy: The Matrix (Warner Bros., Mar99)
Shyamalan, M. Night: The Sixth Sense (Hollywood Pictures, Aug99)
Avrech, Robert J.: The Devil's Arithmetic (Showtime Television,
28Mar99; Based on the novel The Devil's Arithmetic by Jane Yolen)
Millerman, John: The Uranus Experiment: Part 2 (Private Black Label, Oliver Queen out. PS. If those maroons at Warners have anything remotely resembling souls and
Jun99
wish to make some small amends to the entire Iron Giant crew for the
travesty they perpetrated with the film's initial release, they'll send
copies of the script to every SFWA member, or post it online for review.
All the voting will be over by the end of April, so they need to get on
the stick.
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you know, it's getting where i'm going to start taking hostages.
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Woo-hoo!
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hey,just wanted to weigh in with my opinion...I just finished watching The Iron Giant literally 20 minutes ago on dvd..it's without a doubt a great film and deserves everything it has coming to it...too bad the old crusty fucks at the academy ignored it,but big shocker there
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This is absolutely fantastic news. I'm very happy to hear that this great movie - perhaps the greatest animated film of the 1990s - is finally getting some major critical recognition. This thing deserves an OSCAR, but it's being recognized by a group whose opinions I consider to be far more valid than the AMPAAS anyway. Once again proving that "you can BE... whatever you WANT to be."
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This is exciting news. The picture deserved more than a couple nods. It's the next DVD purchase on my list. (Sorry, had to buy "Shawshank Redemption" first.)
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I am sure that THE IRON GIANT will win this "award" simply because it was meant for Him. Often when I lay back at night and reflect on the interconnectedness of life and how it all relates to THE IRON GIANT I am only perplexed by one thing, were does THE IRON GIANT come from? Come to think of it, two things perplex me, but the other thing has to do with chicken breasts not having nipples. Anyway, after reading this article the message is clear. THE IRON GIANT comes from a Nebula. This so-called
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The Nebula Award is one of the most prestigious awards in science fiction; it's given to the best sci-fi presentation in a number of categories, such as novel, novella, short story, movie, etc. In the science fiction/fantasy world, this is a top honor. So it's quite impressive that this movie has been nominated. Of course, The Matrix will probably get it, but Iron Giant SHOULD. -Loki
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Do you think the actual IRON GIANT will go up and accept the award himself? They best not make it of metal or else he might pop it into his mouth.
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THE IRON GIANT certianly deserves to win this award. It was so much better than anything Disney has put out in years. By the way...I'm not European, but I often dream of going to Europe and I can name a lot of the countries over there. Can I join EURO-AICN?
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There is hope for this race and
the many other giants state,
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Is anyone else seeing these Chinese characters where English letters should be? Maybe it's just me...damn its late...
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If "The Iron Giant" gets a Nebula, do you think there's a chance that Robin Williams will star in a live action remake of the movie? Joel Schumacher could be the director...
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...there is a lot of gray area when it comes to finding the dividing line between what is science fiction and fantasy. However, I don't really think it's a big issue (and the committee probably won't be that picky...they certainly weren't picky in the nominations). But I do agree that Star Wars falls more into the fantasy side.
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I believe it was Arthur C. Clarke who said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishible from magic." A HELL of a lot of movies qualify as sci-fantasy.
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ever see Isaac Asimov's proposal for the ultimate entertainment device?? Brilliant..but if you look at it that way fudgie...even 2001 becomes fantasy as at this point, manned flights to Jupiter are not possible...Although, I have reason to believe that AI at the level of HAL is in fact alive and functioning as we speak..
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Great flick, I loved it.
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Isn't "Uranus experiment" a porn film? And if so, what the heck is it doing in the nebula-awards?
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Congrats to all on the Iron Giant crew for the recognition. The love of all the fans of this film is more important than any award you were overlooked for. I'm pretty pissed now, because I'm listening to headphones right now and my "Zooropa" disc just skipped. Someone's gonna pay...also, to the TalkBacker-Who-Will-Not-Be-Named, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. At least Father Geek is using his powers for a good reason this time. Out of sight, out of mind. Go Lakers.
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Attention BoothTarkington
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I'm going to say one last time: fantasy encompasses sci-fi. If it ain't rooted in the real world, it's fantasy. ...now I'm going to bed. BTW, Darth Bond, that JFK remark made me laugh my ass off...
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Just like to say that in light of the cool news drought, it's good to see an inteligent discussion out here, perhaps you guys arn't a bunch of whineing wankers after all ;). Anyway, onto the definition of good all S.F. Now most of you know it to mean science fiction, but it can also mean speculative fiction. By that the term refers to the notion that a story can be based on the posibilities that science offers, not mearly the technology that exists today. For instance, Brave new world, when writen, talked about technology and their aplication that were at the time imposible. So that book was most definiatly scienc\speculative-fiction, as it dealt with society's reaction to a technology it created. Books that deal with the human reaction to existing technologies do not fall under the S.F banner, these are books by the likes tom Clancy (except for those net force things) or others like him, all important books, but definiatly not S.F as they are about technologies that exist today, and people that live in our own time. As for S.F falling under the greater genre of fantasy, well quite frankly comments like this make me phsicaly ill, fantasy is about shit that happens to fucking hearo's with mystical birth-marks, and imposibly big lizzards that could never fucking fly and magicians who fasion rings of gold that somehow transport you to other worlds; in essence all things that are full of shit and could never happen. S.F, even if the ideas and concepts they talk about could never happen with the knowlege we have today, still base their ideas on solid scientific theories and principals. These ideas are of corse extrapolated to the point were they seem mor Fantasy than science, but there is a fundemental difference, they could happen. Of course the Iron Giant is S.F, why couldn't a masive robot fall out of the sky from another planet, but Star wars is not, as it is based on a mystical force (though the midichlorians in EP. 1 do give it more creadability, but like most of you I disregard EP. 1) that could never possibly exist and other shit, like fucking laser swords that somehow stop at about a metre and a half. The point I guess i'm trying to make is that true S.F encompases everything that makes being human worthwhile, it encorages us to think outside the limits to technology as we know them, and further, to look at the impact our own meddling with technology will have on humans in the future. The creative force behind S.F is the same force (pardon the pun) that drove eddison to fly a kite in a lightning storm, or those american brothers to propel a wing into the air; quite simply put, the curiosity to look at the world and say "what if?" To even compare S.F to fantasy is utter nonsence, there is certanly "true" S.F and "crap" S.F, but never shold the word "fantasy" come anywere near it. By the way, the Hyperion Cantos by dan simmons is one of the best S.F series ever, however I still have a soft spot for the Culture novels by Ian M. Banks. Peter F. Hamiltons books looked for a while to be god books, but he realy fucked up the last one, I mean how fucking shit is it when a writer doesn't know how to end his story, so he introduces a mystical Alien race right at the end, who have the power to fix everything up in the last couple of pages-what a cop out. Oh yeah, I realy like Toast (with vegimite of couse) This is McKenzieFrenzy, signing off.
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I too have considered the fact that light sabres may be constructed out of something other than light (disregarding of course that GL refers to them in the first draft of Star Wars as "laser Swords) but there is one problem with that professors theory of plasma being contained in a force field, that is that if there was a field keeping the plasmer in a nice little blade, then it would also retain any destructive force this plasma could do to Obi-wan (though you could still probably beat Jar-Jar to death with it).
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Mar 02, 2000 5:24:10 AM CST
On Friday nights me and my friends go out to dance "the funky gr
by mckenziefrenzy
The main thing that makes Star wars Fantasy and not S.F is that they never explain how in fucks name R2 gets around in the bush on the forest moon of endor. For crying out loud the little guy has tinny weels which would never be able to travers the ferns and twigs and other bush foliage. It's the little details people, the little ones!
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I just realised that the Ausie term "Bush" as in "the Bush tucker man" (an exciting Ausie tels you how to eat wichety grubs - they taste just like chicken)or "I'm Going Bush" (what Australian males tell their wives when the want to be left alone) And not the reigon between the legs, or "pubic" reigon as I realised some of you smut meisters might think.
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Mar 02, 2000 5:47:45 AM CST
the science of starwars | most here DO NOT disregard episode-001
by darthpsychotic
i'm somewhat often deleted, but never had been banned!! :p
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I've been thinking about the whole telekenissis question, and it all comes down to context. The actual phenomonem is of course beyond science at the moment, so far beyond that the theory can be pushed into the relms of fantasy. However the scales can be tipped either way depending on the way an auther uses it. If telekinessis is a power that someone just happens to be born with (and it can't be explained by genetics ie. his fater ect. didn't have the power) and that person can do ridiculos things with little side effect and no aparent strain, like push over the statue of Liberty or lift up a house, then telekinissis in that situation would fall under fantasy. On the other hand, in a movie like Cronenberg's scanners or King's Fire starter, were the power is induced via drugs by scientists on to any human guine pig, and there is a visable, logical side effect to the use of the power, then telekinissis is definatly a S.F element. You see the basis of all S.F is the notion that humans by their direct manipulation of the phisical world, create situations for themselves that all of humanity must deal with, and either discard or accept into general society. In short, it's about our own curiosity and quest for understanding, and how that understandin offen comes at a price. And thats all I have to say about that.
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I was secretly wishing for months that the collective Hollywood realm would be shocked when The Iron Giant snagged major nominations, including best picture of the year (call it the Babe syndrome). Unfortunately, Hollywood only bestows nominations upon films that are either A) massive b.o. hits B) Perennial critical darlings or C) Films made by studios with megalomanical oscar campains, which pretty much explains how Miramax earned noms for The Cider House Rules. Had the giant metal man been made by the mouse corporation, it would've been a massive blockbuster that quite presumably would've snagged major nominations. Shame on Warner Bros. for screwing Brad Bird and his unforgettable film with a lackluster marketing campaign that tried to sell it as a no brainer comedy when it was anything but. I just hope Mr. Bird knows how much his film means to me and everyone else who appreciates classic cinema when they see it. Nuff said.
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I like the idea of Euro AICN, first the Americas tomorrow we'll take over the world!
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Mar 02, 2000 7:02:13 AM CST
also father-psychotic/robo-psychotic consider changer AICN to st
by darthpsychotic
i notice that a lot of 'sith' names are here. i am actually trying to refrain from posting to only weekends, but i figure, hell i'm REPRESENTIN' for the psychotic!! :p
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Using AICN as some kind of odd, self-promoting springboard is kind of funny/odd and that's what a few people have tried. It's like some of the rather annoying characters on the Howard Stern show who would do ANYTHING to get on the radio (like eat Hershey's kisses out of someone's rear) just to get their name out there so later they can say, "I'm that guy." I don't know why anyone would do that down here in the talkback of AICN, but hey, if that's what gets them through the night, who am I to say no? Typically, you can just zip right past them and not get caught up.
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Naturally.A-hem!Anyway,I'm glad the Iron Giant is being recognized as something other than a big BOMB,ya know?Now the problem is how to recognize the OTHER unrecognized treasure of August '99....Mystery Men.Kinka Usher did a SUPAH-FLY job at directing the costumes,sets,and the best cast of the year.Hank Azaria deserves all KINDS of Oscars,man!!Somebody RECOGNIZE this movie,for cryin' in the mud.This has been a Humble Moment with User ID Indeed!
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Guys,it's OBVIOUS Todd is getting personalized TalkBacks because of 1)His handle is Iron Giant.The rest of us don't have handles like that!If we want special attention,we have to take a shtick and bleed it dry,and 2)He bought these guys dinner at that beatnick place in Frisco.So,if we want specially addressed updates,we need a handle and about $550 to burn.As for suggestions,how about we start that Pokemon Genatalia Thread I started at that Harry Potter interview board.It unfairly drowned amid a wave of updates!!!Unfair,says I!!!Unfair!!!This has been a Disgruntled Moment with User ID Indeed!
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I think it would be great if you collected some of the best articles of Morriarity, Knowles, et. al. into an archives that can be perused. I'm not just talking reviews. Also to be included would be classic Talk Back sessions. And definitely a separate section should be all of Todd'd Iron Giant postings. They are classic!
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Mar 02, 2000 8:24:19 AM CST
During my flight to LA-LA Land while I was delevering a finished
by ecaz
I was sitting in the same row with someone else who's also in CGI arts. (He's in the software development, I'm a Digital Cinematographer... who would have thought...) And he was telling me about The Iron Giant, one of the films I wanted to see but skipped because of the workload. He and I chated about Films we had seen in the past year and up-coming projects. This was the first time I had heard about Lord of the Rings, BTW. He insisted that if I had the chance to see it, do so. Days later, it was Saturday and I drove to one of the last theaters where it was playing. I'm saying it was at the end of its run... and the theater was packed! Full of mostly adults and some kids. After speaking to some fellow patrons, who also feel dmfc is a pin-head, I figured out that it was such a popular film becase it captured the essance of childhood -the imagenation and wonder of pre-adolesence. The excelent craftsmanship and brilliant Artwork didn't hurt, either. I regret I waited so long to see it, but seeing it there in LA was one of the Highlights of my trip.
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Mar 02, 2000 8:26:48 AM CST
Hey Moriarty...StarBarella offers some suggestions for Moriarty'
by starbarella
The following is a list of excuses that Moriarty can borrow to explain his late 90's reports: 1) My computer crashed in January and I lost everything. Can any talk-backers help me out to retrieve the lost data? 2) Harry's in town and we'll be appearing at a special event in a secret location. It's taking up all of our time. 3) I've been working on a "special" project that will show up in later Rumblings. 4) A dog ate my 90's reports. 5) Harry's in town and we'll be going commando to Las Vegas to crash Showest. It's taking up all of our time. 6) Harry ate my 90's reports. 7) I've been working on a "special" interview that will show up in later Rumblings. 8) I'm buried under some very exciting scripts that I will report on in later Rumblings. 9) Things have been very busy at the "lab" 10) Busy fighting "the Man" over a small and "underdog" property. Must focus all my energy on it. I'll keep you up to date in later Rumblings....and my all-time favorite excuse, 11) What seemed like a good idea in late December now seems far less interesting in March and I can't muster the focus to sit down and make good on promises made in 1999. Silly StarBarella.
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Not much to contribute at this point, just amused at how this talkback seems to vacillate between Iron Giant fixations, troll-bashing, and some unexpectedly interesting sci-fi allegories and impromptu top 10 lists. Come to think of it, this isn't that unusual as talkbacks go -- as long as no one returns to that cut-and-paste LOTR quagmire, that is. Keep it (sur)real, AICNers.
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Any honors bestowed upon THE IRON GIANT are well-deserved. I continue to recommend it to all the parents I know, and delight in hearing how their child responded to it, especially the emotional finale. And, thanks to Todd, we can be sure that Brad Bird's work will never be far from our thoughts, as he ties TIG into everything from U-571 to GLADIATOR, while referring to Schopenhauer's thoughts on fate in the process (I swear to God, he did this once!) As for the much-maligned DMFC, I posted this yesterday, but it got lost in the Talk Backs; so, I offer it again..... "That many of you resorted to homophobic and sexist insults to defend LOTR against charges of racism is almost funnier than DMFC himself." It's true. By persistently challenging Tokien's saga with a ridiculous charge of racism that couldn't have been more transparently sarcastic had Harry been simultaneously winking at you from the corner of the page, DMFC succeeded in exposing many of you as shallow, hateful fanboys. Not to compare the guy to Andy Kaufman, but he reminded me of Tony Clifton. Your reactions were the real show here, not the DMFC. Congratulations!
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OMG! As happy as I am for the Iron Giant, the nomination of the Uranus Experiment is even more amazing. Has a porno ever been nominated for a major SF award before? Truly a sign of enlightened times.
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Warning: Science Fiction Bias.
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I'm really beginning to get tired of all of you who think that the Iron Giant was the greatest thing to ever happen to animation since the original Fantasia. You all hate Disney's winning formula of the animated musical so much that you all annointed this film as "GREAT" just because there were no songs. The absence of a song does not a great film make! It bombed at the box office and in home video for a reason -- its not that great! First you all blamed its failure at the box office on a subpar marketing effort (failing to recognize all of the movies with worse marketing efforts who catch on by word of mouth). Then they do an outright marketing blitz for home video release and it doesn't fare any better. Are you beginning to understand yet? The movie is not the be all and end all of American animation! Please quit whining about the injustices heaped on this movie and accept the fact that it was just one of many movies released last year that did not do well. I think more space has been devoted to this movie in Talk-Backs than any movie other than Ep 1 (which wasn't great, but wasn't any worse than ANH and ROTH).
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...that science fiction IS fantasy? It's a subset of the fantasy genre. Trying to decide if a movie is "scifi or fantasy" would be like trying to decide if someone is "European or human." It just don't work that way, folks.
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Yeah, what is up with those Pokemon, anyway? Aside from the excellent genitals issue you brought up, just look at them. Those goofy circles for cheeks, the huge watery eyes, everything! And when you think about it, isn't the whole deal with the show that the Pokemon really don't want to fight? They'd rather frolick together in androgynous bliss all day than duke it out on behalf of their morally ambiguous "masters." What is the hidden message here? That American kids should be discontented with authority figures (like the GOVERNMENT) asking them to fight for the good of their country like any red-blooded patriot would. It's clear the Japanese are trying to brainwash America's youth into sexless frolicking hippies who won't stand up to fight when the invasion hits.
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Unfortunately, since you couldn't be bothered to spell my name correctly, I refrained from reading it.
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.......I agree with you 100 percent. You go bro!
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Jesus wept, is it only me or does it realy bug the fuck out of anyone else when the order is all screwed up. Nothing makes sence, the world is spinning... I can see all the pretty colours, soooo pretty... oh look! a little birdy has landed on my hand while I type.. oh no it's not a nice birdy it's a bad birdy... no stop stop, bad birdy bad birdy don't eat my eye no arrrrrrrrrr. For the sake of my sanity, Harry will you please fix this problem.
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Science Fiction, Fantasy...Ray Bradbury wrote stories that were sometimes a little of both but actually neither and/or everything in between. He and some of his contemporaries referred to these interlinked and shifting genres as "Speculative Fiction" SF for short. Why the prejudice one way or the other? Goood writing is good writing. Make mine SF!***This place is just getting tooo wierd. Out of order posts, banned trollers pasting diatribes from previously deleted posts, flame wars etc etc etc. It's taken all the joy out. SM{;-0
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A Dart Bond-less AICN, what a same. CYL
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The marketing was bad, very bad! Not only did they not give it enough exposure, but the trailers were horrible. Yes, this is a kid's movie, but it's a kid's movie in the vein as "E.T." not "Stuart Little". But the trailers don't show this at all. They show none of the emotion and heart that was at the very center of the movie. The script was smart and inspired writing that never catered only to kids, in fact it catered more to adults than anyone else. This is something that Disney and even Dreamworks has not yet dared to do. Don't get me started on The Prince of Egypt.. blech... Yes, there was a bigger marketing blitz for the video, but still the commercials catered purely to kids and were rather silly for the most part. At least Disney had the smarts to always create two sets of trailers and two sets of commercials - ones aimed for kids and ones aimed for adults. The Iron Giant really could've been the E.T. of the 90's. It's a shame. Every kid in my family who has seen the movie has fallen in love with it. My little sister has seen it 3 times and counting. Too bad the rest of the America hasn't caught on yet.
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