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Nordling here.
I rather liked INSIDIOUS, and it was one of the few times I wished that they had been given a more substantial budget for the climax, where all the tension and unease was mostly deflated due to the money not being up to par with the ambitions of James Wan and Leigh Whannell. But the acting was good, the story was good, and though INSIDIOUS doesn't hit the high points of a movie like POLTERGEIST, the point is made - you can make an effective horror film with a small budget and with a solid base of story and script.
INSIDIOUS made a terrific profit though, so my gripes about the ending probably won't hold too much weight, as according to the Hollywood Reporter Whannell and Wan are in talks to make a follow-up. It's unclear whether any of the characters or cast would return - at the end of the first film Patrick Wilson's character was in a Very Bad Place, and although I'd like to see more from those characters what I'd really like to see is more of an exploration of The Further and that world. INSIDIOUS had a low budget and made a ton of money, so I'd imagine the budget for the sequel won't be too much more, but an excursion into the Further to find out more about the demons there? Yeah, I'm all for that.
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If you generally like horror movies, you should rent it. It gets a little silly in the last act, but everything before that is genuinely creepy and there are some pretty awesome scares. For the most part, just a very well done horror flick.
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and after that loses steam..
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Feb. 3, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST
I thought it was pretty good; not great, not original, but entertaining and sometimes scary.
by NeonFrisbee
This is in sharp contrast to Saw which FUCKING SUCKED.
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Got a bootleg of it and the ending was missing, then saw it again at work as an incentive but our shift ended before the ending came up. I liked what I saw, but when I don't get to see a movie all the way through, it just feels like dating a flake.
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After that it turned into a comedy.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST
Never saw this shit. Can't get past the generic supposed to be creepy kid
by alienindisguise
Looks fucking stupid.
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Think about that for a minute.
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I fucking loved it. Breath of fresh air in an otherwise stale mainstream horror climate.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST
First film was terrible and not even scary, like Paranormal Activity
by Tristan
I laughed at Insidious. I can't believe people thought it was good\scary. The demon thing was lame and the father being totally oblivious to the events was pathetic. It really tried to be an Omen\Poltergeist hybrid and it failed big time.
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Oh hey, there's a ringing endorsement. Well wait. They're both franchises with like a dozen movies each so I guess it is a ringing endorsement. *cry* And yeah, enough with the demonic children. The two little girls in the Shining, scary. The dead girl in The Sixth Sense, scary. But little boys, you just want to wring their neck and tell them to cut the shit and take out the garbage.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST
I don't remember there being a creepy demonic/ghost kid in Insidious.
by loafroaster
Unless you're referring to the little Victorian kid, who wasn't cliched. Watch the movie before you comment on it, dumbass!
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Two of the greatest horror films made have creepy kids; The Shining and The Exorcist. I don't see how liking them makes me a religious retard who "believes it as real". But hey, each to their own I s'pose. I guess you'll be first in line for Hatchet 3?
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I don't get the massive hate for it. It wasn't fantastic, or anything new, but it was a decent enough scary little film, made for absolute peanuts, which managed to spook me a few times. It boggles the mind that people will pay to see and rave about shit like The Devil Inside, but crap over Insidious.
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Fair enough. Like I said, each to their own.
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Not as bad as the ending sucking to 'The Innkeepers' though...
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Feb. 3, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST
I have no clue how anyone could have enjoyed Insidious.
by fat_rancor_keeper
What a total and complete P O S. Fucking plot holes big enough to crash a planet through. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL
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Once they got the ghost hunter group, it did a nose dive straight into a bad rip off of Poltregiest.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST
There may have been some plot holes, but it did have a few good scares.
by Cletus Van Damme
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Feb. 3, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
There was a subtley spooky short film called Night Fables that came out around the same time.
by T 1000 xp professional
I doubt it had 1.5 million http://vimeo.com/34038772
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Good actors and a creepy atmosphere were completely undone after the first 45 minutes or so. The gas mask seance pretty much killed it. After that it was Tiny Tim, Darth Maul and a terribly depicted "Further". No suspense, no scares, just insipid bullshit. Insidious does, however, get extra points for the awesomely oblique Poltergeist reference with the alternate kitchen counter/meat interface. All in all, I thought Dead Silence was much more entertaining and, yes, creepier.
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Why does everything have to be the greatest or the worst POS ever made. I think if most of the classics (alien1&2, Temrinator, Bladerunner, StarWars, Indy) had come out today half of the fanboys would rip them apart as big "POS".
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That kid is in a coma for 90% of the movie. The movie was pretty scary, but the spiritual medium in the movie will always be known for a more scary scene - when Woody Harrelson has to eat her pussy out in Kingpin.
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It makes them feel powerful to alleviate themselves above mainstream tastes. A. Put down movie/tv show X and somehow makes my tastes seem more refined. B. Talk up movie/tv Z before anyone knows about it. I was first, I win. The culture is creating a bunch of yes men viewers. Nobody wants to seem unhip by not liking a certain movie/tv show. And nobody wants to seem unhip by liking a geek unnapproved movie/tv show. Example: Somehow your an idiot if you liked Transformers 1 or 2. But Trabsformers 3 got a geek pass. Even though it was an equally big turd.
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...the paranormal team...also agree that you just got......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...........coxxed!!!!!
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Best horror movie since The Ring.
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Thanks for the endorsement, I'll see if Redbox still has it. And yes, I didn't realize how many Phantoms haunt the talkback. Lol!
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I really liked the last fifteen minutes of paranormal activity 3. There were some good momments throghout too but I liked part 2 more. Ps Saw rules.
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I can see why some may think it was an example of the budget not bring big enough, but really, what did you want The Further to look like? To me, it was a great visual bc it immediately demonstrated why it would be so easy to get lost in it and why the other souls would be so eager to get out. What else did you want? Fire? Brimstone? Crazy shit flying in the air everywhere?
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Can't agree enough. It's like geeks don't like anything anymore. All anyone can do is exaggerate. There are some truly horrible movies out there. Let's resolve the hate for those.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
You guys are always bitching about the state of modern horror but you crap on Insidious?
by gary_buseys_upper_half
I don't get it. Was it a perfect movie? No, but it didn't rely on crappy cgi, gore, torture, found footage, or ripping off the Exorcist to try and be scary. You are all complaining about the ending, but if this had been a big budget film with elaborate set pieces and an elaborate cgi "netherworld" ending would that have made it a better, scarier film? It probably would have been a lot worse. The tragedy of the modern movie geek is that you can't stop cross-referencing and meta-analyzing the films you watch and just enjoy something on its own terms. Who cares if it was the lady from Kingpin? I didn't even recognize her until you guys pointed it out but she did a good job in this movie. And I think the gasmasks were intended to be a little tongue-in-cheek - it's ok to have some humor in a horror film.
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I like his brand of bad.
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Yes, the mask was goofy, but I loved that Darth Maul/Pan/Freddy demon. Also the family was delightfully creepy. I think I've said it before, but Wan must have a hardon for William Castle movies. I'm sure of it.
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It was artfully done. But then we have a highly developed set of skills for the technical part of movie-making. But the story fell apart and the move had no 'soul'. It was pretty bad.
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it's the type of ending that takes the entire movie and just ruins it. Which makes it that much worse, because you go in with low expectations and then it's actually good so you start to expect more from it...at which point it shits on your face and totally ruins the whole experience.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
I am proud to say I have never seen anything by anyone associated with any of the "Saw" movies.
by MrEkoLetMeLive
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One of the worst low budget horror flicks i've seen in a long time. What do you expect from Saw producers? Chillerama and it's absurdly low budget shock-o-rama silliness was more fun to watch. Then again, when you pull something like Jack Chop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqAWUoVtbs to perfectly, it's hard not to love them. Hatchet was a fun movie too.
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INSIDIOUS was a pretty decent horror flick until the last act. The reveal of the demon working on a fucking sewing machine was just utter shite. And the final twist right at the end contradicted what we had already been told regarding spirits not being able to just jump into bodies. The last act smelt of a desperate Hollywood exec re-write.
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should be the evil ghost in the sequel. Tip toes trough the tulips, la, la la
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Feb. 3, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
In the end the demon was revealed to be a Darth Maul cosplay fag
by Amazing Maurice
Who liked to sew. Christ.
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Chop, or My Mom Will Shoot...I have to say I'm a little disappointed. While I admire your topic, your subject (Viveca Lindfors doppelganger) without a doubt has an open door policy on any and all orifices on her body.
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It's on Netflix streaming for free, haha. I enjoyed this movie.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
Agree with xenii about PA1; awesome build-up, climax blew goats...the original ending was awesome, but...
by REMcycle
...would've fucked up the second film, since certain characters don't survive to see a sequel. Oh, and Insidious is on Netflix everyone, so if you still subscribe, go see it there.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
I haven't seen it. My life hasn't changed very much because of it.
by cameron
From the makers of paranormal activity and saw'.....'but don't let that put you off
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Feb. 3, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
gary_busey's_upper_half...the lady from Kingpin? You mean the landlady? :)
by REMcycle
...What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? I guess it's all that pumpin'. Pump and dump...you really jarred somethin' loose there, Tiger!
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That is all.
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I loved the intro. It seemed promising for a while, despite some typical stupid skepticism. However once the dad went into the netherworld or whatever, it became profoundly un-scary. The demon had a little office, it was just pathetic. And really, rule #1 should be: No fisticuffs in the netherworld!
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Feb. 3, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
The shitty ending was the least of the problems this movie had.
by fat_rancor_keeper
The shitty ending was the least of the problems this movie had. It was more the atrocious 99% of the rest of the film that bothered me.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
I thought it was all kinds of fun. It was basically a remake of Polterguiest.
by sweeneydave
Right down to the hokey ending that was so different from the rest of the film. But I even loved that. It was 65% ghost movie and 35% through the looking glass. Lots of fun.
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but I was entertained more by Don't Be Afraid.
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At least is wasn't some faggy torture horror movie. I was expecting the "evil/possessed" kid type story, and was happily surprised it wasn't that. I never really thought it was scary, but my wife clawed my arm to shit at a few of the scares. The Darth Maul guy was actually kind-of cool, until he ends up being a doll seamstress. I dug the old lady's mask, very Sandman/occultist, so I thought that was cool. The 2nd half of the movie is pretty terrible though, it feels so rushed and disconnected from the first part. <p> Recommended for watching with girlfriend/wife that scares easily.
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Yeah, fun movie.
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My expectations were low. Maybe that's why I fucking loved it. Good movie. I really liked the ending too. The movie's poster makes you think it's about a demonic kid, but it really isn't that simple. See it for yourself. Thumbs up.
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Then you don't know what you're talking about. Come back when you do.
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I really enjoyed this movie, gary busey's upper half made some good points I agree with. One thing haven't seen mentioned for Insidious which is EXTREMELY RARE for horror movies these days is the excellent & subtle camera-work. Really appreciated the slow pans of the camera through the hallways & rooms with MINIMAL cuts and edits. Also, most everything in the movie is done practical, there's very little CGI which is refreshing. There is not a reliance on jump scares, which is also so common. I do agree the last third of the movie is the weakest, the ghost hunters "humor" was too forced and not subtle enough and the last third is way too similar to Poltergeist, but these nitpicks were not enough to derail the movie for me.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
The woman in black preview seems to have the insidious ghost in it
by UltraTron
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.....But all of your opinions are wrong in this case. This movie was bad.....there were no "good parts" nor was it "decent for what it was". LoL.
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Feb. 3, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
The Further at the end looked like a bad nightmare on elm st set
by 77AD
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Nope, you're not the only one who liked The Further. In FACT!!!!!!!!! I really liked how Insidious threw in some new elements with the paranormal investigators around the middle of the film. It reminded me of how Dusk Til Dawn was one half crooks on the run, and one half over-the-top awesome vampire siege bloodbath. I think if all Insidious did was have the characters walk around their house and getting scared by ghosts, and then, nothing beyond that, it would have been lame. In this day and age, with shows like Ghost Hunters being pretty well known, who in their right mind wouldn't seek out the advice of paranormal experts if they were being tormented by ghosts or demons or poltergeists?
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But I enjoyed watching it. I'd like to see Nic Cage cast as the flamboyant ruler of The Further and the inclusion of some old school animatronics and puppetry for the sequel.
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there was massive oh shit moments to the movie, but the budget was lackluster but the performances was awesome. i just wished they had more money. I saw this in the ghetto theater and I cracked up laughing during some moments. Especially when the wife walked to the mini closet and she opened it and a midget popped out and ran into the other room. ROFLMAO!!!!! she shrank in the corner in fear from seeing a ghostly midget pop out the closet and im laughing my ass off!!!! it wasnt scary at all!!!
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Feb. 3, 2012, 6 p.m. CST
Insidious was all build up, and then...nothing. Waste of 2 hrs.
by planetran_fan
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Feb. 3, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
Actually, that demon reminded me of that red devil in one of those awful Mexican Santa Claus films.
by planetran_fan
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was when it was done in THE DARK. Also, better version of Silent Hill: The Movie... also THE DARK! I do get why people don't like Insidious, but why did nobody like that little indie-film?
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There are talk backers here who suck even worse. Its a real shame. But hey, its still a quality site...?
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Feb. 3, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
Did you guys that see that little Spanish short film I posted?
by T 1000 xp professional
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Studios keep wasting it on crap like this.
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I LOVED Insidious and thought it was one of the scarier movies I've seen in a long time... up until Lin Shaye put on the gas mask, then it kind of unraveled for me. Still one of my favorite horror movies in years though.
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....the father goes into the further to save his kid. Once you see that hyper-reality though, all tension is deflated. The demon monster with the clove hooves didn't so much come off as frightening as he did a supernatural Darth Vader. Horror is all about the unknown, and the unseen. Once you see it, it isn't scary any more.
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...people for liking GHOST STORIES - by calling them "religious nuts"? As if the only reason people like ghost stories is because they're "religious" and "believe it's real"? What the fuck is wrong with you? Is that a joke? And then you attack every ghost movie - but you LIKE "The Exorcist"?!?? THE MOST RELIGIOUS/CATHOLIC HORROR MOVIE EVER? I am absolutely DUMBFOUNDED by your stupidity. Seriously - I don't think I've ever read more ignorant, misspelled dunce blather on AICN - EVER. Dude - just don't watch movies or EVER talk about them again. This is NOT your forte'.
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....just attack the idea of seeing horror movies at all - because BLACK PEOPLE shout at the screen? Are you kidding me? What neighborhood do you live in where THAT happens? I've lived in 8 states, and in my 37 years on this planet, I've maybe only ever experienced that once or twice, and it evened out with white people screaming and shouting at the screen. Not to mention - who CARES? It's a HORROR MOVIE. FUCKING ENJOY IT. What a stupid, miserable person you are. CHRIST, where are the INTELLIGENT film lovers on AICN anymore?
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1. Yes, the ending. Not because The Further was cheap or anything, but because the Big Evil Thing turned out to be a luchador who had watched Saw too many times. 2. Patrick Wilson's character having "trauma" that "blocked out" his memories of prior astral projection? And his mother is this spooky broad but he never suspected something was weird with her? And he initially vehemently resists the parapsychology explanation because....? And he's convinced that it's true because.....? His character was just flat-out awful. Poorly-motivated and inconsistent. Not surprising, given Whannell's screenwriting pedigree. 3. Several otherwise effective scares are repeated (the quick-edit lunatic grins, for instance), making those effective scares INeffective and eventually comical. 4. Barbara Hershey is hammier than Kenneth Branaugh doing Lear at a Hawaiin luau. 5. Whannell once again gets himself cast in the film in a meaty role that is essentially the Jar Jar: ultimately unnecessary and incredibly annoying from the moment he's on screen. 6. Not an ounce of originality in it. It either directly rips off or indirectly references older, better horror movies in every scene.
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HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS TALKBACK HAVE GONE TO FILM SCHOOL? OR MORE IMPORTANTLY - HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS TALKBACK HAVE SEEN MORE THAN 20 MOVIES MADE BEFORE 1970? MORE THAN 10? Are there ANY real film obsessives or students of film on this site? ANYWHERE? I swear to God, these talkbacks read like a bunch of moronic, illiterate junior high school kids who still haven't hit puberty, or people who think the epitome of movie history started with "Die Hard 2". For fuck's sake - WHERE ARE THE FILM LOVERS who actually KNOW something about the history of movies and can speak knowledgeably about them? What the fuck has this site degenerated to? And why do the articles on AICN CONSTANTLY have typos and bad grammar in them, and why are at least half of them written by people who sound like they barely know ANYTHING about the history of film? I admit I've only been here for a year, but I thought this site had a reputation for film lovers discussing movies, not talkbacks that read like streams of idiotic Youtube comments. COME ON.
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And our opinions are often overridden by the Youtube types. On the other hand, many otherwise quite educated people have been known to devolve into petty, intellectually-elitist name-calling. So even the knowledgeable among us can turn to Youtubery. I would point you in the direction of every argument I've ever had on this site regarding The Dark Knight and Inception (I think both are hugely flawed from a screenwriting perspective, and I should know). I've been on the receiving AND giving end of the "shout-down" spectrum. Sometimes you get frustrated and start being a dick.
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is that with each horror movie, more and more, he goes for spooky. Looking back on that puppet in Saw, it's no wonder that film has been spoofed so much, and then Dead Silence was just silly. At this point, it's near impossible to scare me with a horror film. I've seen too damn many. But spooky can be fun. It's a quality that was lost on the torture horror wave. Trick r Treat is probably the only horror movie in the last ten years that captures this quality with... actual quality in its craftsmanship (Drag You to Hell a debatable exception), and I think that's a shame. So yes, while Insidious was horribly acted, horribly drafted, and - like most of Wan's films - horribly acted, there is this sense of fun in the horror, of spookiness that makes it enjoyable to watch. I also forgive it's lack of originality for... well... it's originality! It brought back a side of horror from the 80s that was lost on the current wave. Also, as someone before mentioned, Astral Projection isn't something we've seen too often outside of X-Files, and while people claim the first half was great, I've never heard anyone suggest a solid ending that continued its vein. Again, to echo the sentiments of others, would you really rather it just continued to have people running around going boo with score bursts. Oh I agree, some of those scares were really well done, but the film did need to go somewhere and the domestic scenes were so badly acted/written/directed that it was a breath of fresh air when everyone finally had a course of action. Anyway, it entertained me.
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Studied film in highschool (it was a crazy school, so it was stuff like Taxi Driver, Apocalypse Now, Daughters of Dust, and Pandora's Box) and extensively at UVA. Also took a film making course mentored by Paul Wagner (if you don't know who that is you just lost your elitist card). Met Stan Winston and talked Miike with John Waters. I think the best "horror movie" of the 00s was 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days. I didn't go to film school proper I suppose, but shall I argue that the Italian influence on American torture horror dates back to the torch scene from Rome Open City? How Bergman's Persona and Hour of the Wolf make almost every descent into madness film look like child's play? But why stop at horror? Why not wax poetic about the beauty of Abbas Kiarostami's A Taste of Cherry or the sometimes underrated Antonioni classic The Passanger, and how more films need longer takes to immerse their audiences? Shall I explain the greater significance of that shot of the sun in Rashomon? October's influence on Chimes of Midnight... Night of the Hunter... And the little boy runs and runs from society and its oppressive institutions until he reaches the sea and facing the endless blue, he turns back at first seeming almost like a wild animal, staring with his scared lost eyes into the screen... and the camera pulls in on a freeze frame... fin. In other words, what mrgray said.
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Not in a long, long time. I recall I really liked it though, but I don't remember what happened after the lead's son was kidnapped. Did the show get canceled premature? I try to keep an eye out for it on netflix streaming, but have some apprehension that it might not have aged any better than X-files. I'd love to be wrong about that though. As a once huge X-Files fan, I dusted them off recently to sadly discover that... Eerie Indiana has aged better than the X-Files.
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I'm not a film school student/graduate/drop-out. I fall into the other category you mentioned: the film lover. I'm the kind of person who has seen and understood when American filmmakers remake and "re-imagine" movies from other countries, I need to seek out the original flick and, in most cases, the original blows away the re-do. I understand plot and metaphors. I have a love of the older films, ones that predate my lifetime (1969). I try to see the films I choose to see with an open mind. I do my best to not have expectations going into the theater or tuning in at home. I stopped writing on here ages ago BECAUSE of the people who want to tell others (not necessarily me, personally) that their OPINIONS are wrong or incorrect or flawed. Opinions are like assholes, as the saying goes. Everyone has one. they aren't necessarily pretty and my not be identical to yours, but they certainly have the potential to blow you away given half a chance. Rather than argue, I choose ignoring the offensive ones. I post my opinion. They post theirs. Move on. Millions upon millions of movies out there and but one lifetime with which to enjoy them. Then again, I don't post on here very much any more, mostly because I think real viewer reviews get quashed by the drivel of who can scream whatever movie sucks loudest. Don't like it. Like it. Whatever. Labels? Really? How grade school. Bad theater experience? Hello. Find a better theater or become strictly a renter. Maybe the shouters are following you. haha! I kinda like shouters, ESPECIALLY at horror movies. They break the tension, if there is any. Just saw The Woman in Black and the screamers were hilarious! The shouters/screamers at the re-release of The Exorcist helped break the tension. Insidious I enjoyed for the scares and had a wonderful afternoon with my eldest child at the movies seeing it. He loved laughing at his mom openly. A theater is a great setting for stuff like that. I enjoyed the film. Yes, there could have been more character development. Yes, the ghost hunters seemed a bit too rudimentary - not at all like the people out there actually studying suspected paranormal activity. (and I thought the demon looked like Joe Walsh after a wild weekend, myself, but that didn't keep it from freakin' me out a bit...) So, Dasheight, the serious talkbacks you'll be hard pressed to find, but please do not mistake it for lack of passion. It may not be about film, but it is passion. Passion about film would be nice in talkbacks, and I'm not saying there aren't some here, but you'll likely find less serious "reader" feedback than you'd like, I'm sure. You have to wait for the less serious stuff to settle down a bit first. But should you ever find a place for serious discussions from the get-go, please drop me a line and let me know where to find it. I'd love to read in.
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Feb. 5, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
There is no way on earth Insidious only cost 1,5 million.
by Knuckleduster
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