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AICN COMICS REVIEWS: VENOM! AMERICAN VAMPIRE! BRUCE TIMM: NAUGHTY OR NICE! FANTASTIC FOUR! & MORE!

Published at: Feb. 1, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

Issue #45 Release Date: 1/25/12 Vol.#10
As we prepare for next week’s @$$ies, we only were able to review a few this week. Sorry for the low content column, but we’ll make it up for an all week @$$ie Awards celebration next week! If you’re wondering where the AICN COMICS/POPTARDS PODCAST is, click here to find yesterday’s post. We’ll be posting our podcast a day earlier rather than lumping it all together in this column. Once you finish these written reviews, check the podcast for more reviews of today’s coolest comics!

The Pull List
(Click title to go directly to the review)
Advance Review: VENOM #13
AMERICAN VAMPIRE #23
FANTASTIC FOUR #602
NAUGHTY & NICE: THE GOOD GIRL ART OF BRUCE TIMM
JUSTICE LEAGUE #5


Advance Review: In stores this week!

VENOM #13

Writer: Rick Remender
Art: Tony Moore (pencils/inks), Val Staples (colors)
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Johnny Destructo


FINALLY! The team-up nobody asked for! Our militarized symbiote meets the Hulk that's red meets the female Rider of Ghosts meets the lady Wolverine! No, I don't think anyone requested this particular grouping, but if this story stays as wonky as this issue all the way through, I'll be clamoring for more of it in the future.

It's been several issues since I've checked in on Flash Thompson and his oozey-bits, and it would seem that things have taken a turn for the worse. Like any forbidden love that mom and dad doesn't approve of, he and the symbiote have run off together to Vegas to engage in what I can only assume will be some sort of tentacle porn. That, of course, gets interrupted by the Red Hulk, who has been ordered (by whom? He's an Avenger and gets to run around with them, but also still answers to someone in the military? Who is his higher-up? These are answers that may or may not be in his solo book, but I haven't been able to make myself read it yet) to smash Thompson into submission and bring his A.W.O.L. ass back in. Meanwhile, X-23 is looking for a vial of her blood which has been stolen, which leads her to Vegas, and Alejandra the new Ghost Rider is lured there for evil purposes by the big bad, Mr. Degli. It's weird, but it works. Remender has given every character an actual reason to be in this book, which is nice. Too often, characters show up to these team-ups willy-nilly and for no story-driven reason. "Oh…um…Doctor Strange just summoned us all here. The end." I was surprised to find that it all works within the confines of the story, and the story is a hell of a lot of FUN.

So much fun that I forget to ask questions like…how does an amulet hung on the sign of Las Vegas keep Hell from spreading out past Vegas? Hell can't figure out how to go in any of the other millions of directions to get out? It has to follow that one road? It can't…say…go out the OTHER way?

Why is it that even though the female Ghost Rider, whose flesh is entirely burned off during transformation and is just a bundle of bones in a leather outfit ...still has breasts? As far as I knew, they aren't made of bones.

"Shhhh", my brain says. "Don't worry about pesky logic. This is candy, you're having fun!" And it's true.

Anyone else notice that this team-up is a strangely askew version of the New Fantastic Four team-up that happened back in 1990, which featured the grey "Mr. Fixit" Hulk, Spider-Man, Wolverine and the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider? Pretty cool, though I am surprised that they didn't mimic the original cover for that.

Also, thank the gods that they finally let Tony Moore ink his own work. I was so excited to see Moore was going to be working on VENOM #1 and was extremely disappointed in the finished product. The inks by Crimelad! Studios were just awful and really devolved the pencils by Tony. Thankfully, though, the art by Moore in this issue is the complete package and looks great! I wish this level of art was maintained throughout the last 12 issues of this series, but alas.

This was a mad-cap romp, dammit. I don't care if you don't like Ghost Rider being a girl, or Hulks that are red. If you like romps that are mad-cappy, then by all means, get on this book.

AMERICAN VAMPIRE #23

Writer: Scott Snyder
Artist: Rafael Albuquerque
Publisher: DC Vertigo
Reviewer: Optimous Douche


The older I get, the more time’s theory of relative cruelty becomes more stark and ever-present; this theory is even more true when it comes to reading the amazingly original and thoroughly engaging AMERICAN VAMPIRE. First off, despite its dense prose and lush art, it seems I’m done reading each issue almost seconds after I started. No, DC isn’t short-changing the page count, and Snyder is far from dialing this shit in, but as the saying goes, “Time flies when you’re having fun.” The fact that I read each issue of AMERICAN VAMPIRE twice in an effort to tide me over to the next issue is a testament to this book being more fun than eating bacon while getting a blowjob during a Skyrim dragon battle.

Time’s insistence on progressing and not slowing down also concerns the series as a whole, because I see it careening towards the present and as such fear a close to a book I’m not even close to being ready to let go of. For the unwashed masses that still haven’t bought the best comic on the shelves, AMERICAN VAMPIRE is about a new breed of vampire (an American one, for the particularly obtuse), but what’s most engaging about this series is how Snyder bites into each epoch of American history with each new arc. I’ll tell you “bite” is even a trite word, which should be used solely for pull quotes. Snyder rewrites history with a fictional horrific flourish while still maintaining the tonality of the time. There’s simply trueness to this book that makes the concept of vampires living among us more palpable than any of the other tales focusing on these anemic horrors. In the past almost two years, we have seen the evolution of VAMPIRE’s main antagonist (or protagonist, depending on the shade of your soul) Skinner Sweet from Civil War fighter to Old West outlaw to purveyor of sin and capitalism during the building of the Hoover Dam (that’s The Great Depression, for anyone that left school in the third grade) to WWII mercenary to, finally, the latest outing set firmly in the Happy Days of the 1950’s.

Now, I have a confession to make. I missed issue 22 of AMERICAN VAMPIRE. Somehow it just completely escaped my radar as I was scanning the comic shelf. I truly had no idea that this was ‘Death Race” Part II until I reached the last page. Did I worry that Skinner’s reluctant protégé Pearl and her mortal man-love weren’t around? Not really; even though she’s been a staple of the series to date, there have been plenty of solitary issues sans Pearl. More and most importantly, was I lost? Not for one damn second, proving the old Stan Lee adage that each comic should be (and, more importantly, can be) a reader’s first without being completely lost within a clusterfuck of continuity.

Snyder gave me everything I needed to know during the opening monologue, as new vampire hunter and appropriately dressed greaser Travis Kidd partakes in a death race across the desserts of then-vacant California. Of course, his prey is the one and only Skinner Sweet, but again the beauty of a Snyder book lies more in the people and the setting than the overarching plot. I learned that Kidd is no kid when it comes to his mental acuity and ability to remain singularly focused on his mission to kill vampires. I also learned that Kidd’s mission will not be swayed by any romantic feelings he might have for Sweet’s captive, Piper, a bobby-socked beauty that merely wants to break through Kidd’s tough leather-clad veneer. And finally, for those that actually read the last issue, I found out why Kidd is so damn adamant about giving Sweet a dirt nap. Apparently, this Kidd isn’t crazy; his family was murdered by vamps, and all the stories mental health professionals of the time tried to electroshock away were in fact real.

It’s great to see Albuquerque back on art chores, and more importantly imbibing this new time period in a way I’ve never seen before. My kudos mainly extend to the covers; I already knew Albuquerque had his own unique style for interior art, but these covers are simply gorgeous, and time period appropriate this time around. From imagery to font, one would think the cover is a poster ripped directly from the drive-in marquee.

Great book and a great read. Now, I need to see who I need to hunt down and kill for skipping my pull of AMERICAN VAMPIRE #22.

Optimous has successfully blackmailed fellow @$$Hole BottleImp into being his artist on Average Joe. Look for Imp's forced labor on Optimous brain child in mid-2012 from COM.X. Friend Optimous on FaceBook to get Average Joe updates and because ceiling cat says it's the right thing to do.


FANTASTIC FOUR #602

Writer: Jonathan Hickman
Art: Barry Kitson, Paul Mounts
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Henry Higgins is My Homeboy


Weapons Of Everything Destruction.

Hickman's run with the Fantastic Four has stood out considerably to me, mostly because I usually can't stand the Fantastic Four. I've always found it to be an interesting concept that eventually gets bogged down by the typical "the family yells at one another, then they team up to fight the same monster again" system. But Hickman has ignored that for the most part, giving the family a strong sense of unity while simultaneously fulfilling every sci-fi nerdgasm dream I could muster. It's been one of Marvel's strongest titles since Hickman took over, and this issue continues the trend.

Writing: (5/5) Continuing the assault on Earth by the Kree, Hickman crafts what is in essence a twenty-two page long fight scene. And while weaker series would be slowed incredibly by such a story, FANTASTIC FOUR continues at a solid pace for the entire issue. The initial reprieve caused by Johnny's return has shifted back into the Kree's favour, and now the team is scrambling to simply survive against the onslaught. It's fast paced and appropriately exciting, if over a bit too quickly. It does give Susan some time to shine, which I appreciate greatly; She's always been my favorite of the bunch, and seeing her handle a squad of equal strength to the one confronting Human Torch, Thing, Spider-Man, and Annihilus Jr. is rewarding, and shows her off well. It then leads to a fantastic appearance by Galactus, who, actually, I fucking adore. The concept of a giant purple planet-eating god of death is so very comic booky and ridiculous that you could only see it in a super hero comic. But given a strong enough writer, he can still come off appropriately epic and terrifying. Hickman shows restraint towards him, giving him room to really show off just how miraculous and scary he can be. It also sets the board for next issue’s no doubt fantastic fight by giving Galactus a solid threat to beat down.

There's not much of the Fantastic Four rapport on stage here, but there are some nice little moments between Ben and Johnny, and then Reed and Sue. It's well written, but doesn't slow the action in the slightest.

If anything, the book only loses some speed when it briefly heads to Earth to show the Avengers desperately trying to protect the plane...New York. It's not really that important of a plot, and I'd have much rather just had that time diverted to giving the fights more room to breathe.

Art: (4/5) There are times when I think Kitson and Mounts have succeeded spectacularly with this issue, and then there are moments I feel are lacking. The set pieces in particular look phenomenal. Kree soldiers flying through space, the quick fight sequences, and especially the appearance of Galactus are remarkable done, being loud and dynamic without feeling too showy. It fits within the context of the story and conveys the scene well. Other times, notably many of the small faces and character moments, look broad and undefined. There's not a lot of attention paid to how people look in group scenes, but when you have ships exploding in great detail outside the window, it's not too much of a hindrance.

Best Moment: Galactus arriving on the scene.

Worst Moment: Honestly, I could have done without the few shots of Captain America hoping they all get saved.

Overall: (4/5) A strong issue in a strong series, which manages to elevate the conflict and not lose sight of the attack.


NAUGHTY AND NICE: THE GOOD GIRL ART OF BRUCE TIMM

Illustrator: Bruce Timm
Publisher: Flesk Publications
Reviewer: superhero


Whoa!

Hey, hey, HEY!

Hamanhamanahamnahamanahamana…

Y’know, when the name Bruce Timm comes to mind…well, let’s just say that portraits of nude cartoon ladies don’t immediately spring up in my head. When I ordered NAUGHTY AND NICE: THE GOOD GIRL ART OF BRUCE TIMM off of Amazon I pretty much expected to get a book of superheroine pin-up art. I thought it’d be full of salaciously posed superpowered nymphettes rendered in Bruce Timm’s classic cartoon style. I don’t know why I expected that. Maybe it’s just that I’m mostly used to seeing that type of stuff whenever I’d do a Bruce Timm search on Google every once in a while. Maybe it’s just because as a fan of Timm and his general style of art, I thought that I’d seen a lot of the stuff he’d done at conventions and on the internet. What that stuff had exposed me to, for the most part, was mostly G-rated fare. Oh, sure, I’d seen some of Timm’s nudes on some art appreciation sites but, I dunno, I guess I wasn’t expecting so much of it when I bought this book.

And let me tell you…there’s a whole lotta naked in NAUGHTY AND NICE: THE GOOD GIRL ART OF BRUCE TIMM. A-whole-lot-of-naked.

Which is fine. Hey, I like the ladies. I’m not a prude. And Timm’s artwork is spectacular. What you’ve got here is pages and pages of fantastic Bruce Timm artwork laid out on terrific paper stock in a large sized-volume! What more could any comics/animation fan ask? Each page is a separate and distinct Timm illustration uncluttered by text or design aspects. This is not like many art books that cover a particular artist, where the art is obscured or surrounded by clinical text or interviews. This is all about the art. With the exception of an introduction by comics mega-god Steranko, there is barely any copy covering any aspect of Timm’s art--not that writing is needed in this case, because Timm’s artwork speaks for itself. While NAUGHTY AND NICE: THE GOOD GIRL ART OF BRUCE TIMM may not be the kind of book you’d want to leave laying around for the kids to find, it is a book that is for the mature comic fan: one who can get past the surface of the subject matter and just marvel at the technique behind what’s on the page. While the female forms Timm illustrates here may titillate many people who buy this book, it’s his artistic talent here that was drool-worthy to me. I was fortunate enough to sit in on an interview with Timm a couple of years ago, and I got the chance to ask him what tools he used to illustrate his color pieces. When he responded Prismacolor markers I practically fell out of my chair. If there’s anyone out there who can teach me how to do what Timm does with Prismacolors, please contact me because I am just astounded by what he’s able to do with them. Timm is a fantastic artist, and this book is a great showcase of his ability even if the subject matter might be a bit risqué for some people.

Now if a publishing company would release a collection of Timm’s superhero art I’d appreciate it. That way I can look at Timm’s art and have my daughter in the room at the same time.

Discovered as a babe in an abandoned comic book storage box and bitten by a radioactive comic fan when he was a teenager, superhero is actually not-so mild mannered sometime designer & cartoonist, Kristian Horn of Los Angeles, California. Some of his work can be seen at www.kristianhorn.com and check out his blog at www.parttimefanboy.com. You can check also out his webcomics at www.babybadass.com and thediplomatics.com, which is currently in development.


JUSTICE LEAGUE #5

Writer: Geoff Johns
Artist: Jim Lee
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: Humphrey Lee


What do you do when you find yourself trying to enjoy a comic book more than you really do? Apparently you get on your internet soapbox (if you have one) to talk about the situation, though obviously I need to get critical here while breaking down my feelings on the matter. I personally don’t feel like I am much of a person that buys into hype. In fact, I’m probably one to let my cynical nature take over when the hype machine goes into effect. So it’s not the need to feel “involved” in this book that keeps me coming back; it more or less boils down to admiration for those involved, and that sensation is why it’s easy to forgive and be hopeful, but also for disappointment to ring a little louder than normal.

While there has not been an issue of JUSTICE LEAGUE thus far that has really punched my socks off my feet, I’ve typically found something about each to be enjoyable. But that is where the slippery slope begins, methinks. You go through twenty pages and think “well, I know the plot didn’t really go anywhere, but that Superman moment was badass” and you hope for more to come. And so far they kind of have, particularly last issue where I particularly enjoyed Cyborg’s coming-out party and felt there was some pretty good emotional weight in that. Combined with the emergence of Darkseid, of which I don’t mind the new digs at all and who looked pretty badass and iconic, you start to believe the tide is turning and the real story is beginning. And then you get this issue.

This is where my disconnect with this title has really reared up, as I feel it somewhat epitomizes the disconnect the series as a whole has had so far. Outside of that aforementioned Cyborg moment, no one has really shown anything but one-dimensional personality traits, and no one has done anything but posture, really. Sure, you can chalk this up to theses heroes going into “Alpha mode” around each other, but most of them are acting completely lopsided, each to a trait that seems to be the focus of this first arc. Green Lantern is a hothead, Batman is always under control and not to be underestimated, Superman is brash, etc. Even in the vacuum that is this first team up there is no reason to assume that these beings haven’t bothered to develop their own personalities before now, but apparently that is the case.

The real dagger in this issue is its non-eventuality. Oh, things happen; there’s some Omega Beams and Superman and Batman take a trip to a fiery hellhole of a planet. Besides that, five issues in, we’ve almost got a team and Darkseid is pretty intimidating still. Take the first d-word I’ve thrown around a lot here – disconnect – and add another to the mix – that being “decompressed” – and this issue really has me in doubt (oh my, I did it again). There should be a lot of epicness going on here; I mean, it’s fucking Geoff Johns and Jim Lee for fuck’s sake, but it mostly feels like people standing around outside of a few Lantern constructs and instances of super speed being bandied about.

One last point to make and I think I’m done (and for this, I’m going to put a milk crate on top of my soap box). You have a story that has not really moved much in five issues. Those five issues have been higher priced than usual without any more new content than a $2.99 issue--just some sketches and whatnot for books that aren’t even this. Plus you have a “drawing the line” campaign on price point and are failing to keep it up with your premiere title. At some point this is all going to add up to not buying a title that should be a no brainer given the talent involved. Until then, the internal debate of hypocrite (when is enough enough?) versus hopefulness (this has to be awesome at some point, right?) continues to rage.

Humphrey Lee has been an avid comic book reader going on fifteen years now and a contributor to Ain't It Cool comics for quite a few as well. In fact, reading comics is about all he does in his free time and where all the money from his day job wages goes to - funding his comic book habit so he can talk about them to you, our loyal readers (lucky you). He's a bit of a social networking whore, so you can find him all over the Interwebs on sites like Twitter, The MySpaces, Facebookand a blog where he also mostly talks about comics with his free time because he hasn't the slightest semblance of a life. Sad but true, and he gladly encourages you to add, read, and comment as you will.


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  • Feb. 1, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    WATCHMEN. PREQUEL.

    by The_Guy_Who_Invented_Coca_Cola

    and so on.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    It's not that female Ghost Rider has skeletal breasts...

    by rev_skarekroe

    She's just wearing a metal bra like Red Sonja. In other news, I had no idea there was a female Ghost Rider until just now.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    watchmen prequel.......ok ill get it started

    by gooseud

    Anyone who has a problem with this is completely absurd............(sits back and gets popcorn to watch shitstorm explode)

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Finally, Douche listened to the masses

    by gooseud

    and gave American Vampire a feature spot. Its absurd how good that book is. If you arent reading it, your missing out. Yeah I even used that old tired cliche, but the book is so good, cant help it. I always picture Skinner looking like Brad Pitt/Tyler Durden.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four

    by TheDean

    "But Hickman has ignored that for the most part, giving the family a strong sense of unity while simultaneously fulfilling every sci-fi nerdgasm dream I could muster." Perfect! That's what's so amazing about Hickman's run to me, and why Marvel is still ahead of DC for me right now - amazing storytellers. With Aaron, Waid, Remender, and Hickman, Marvel is just hard to beat right now, no matter what gimmick or relaunch DC throws at 'em. I'm primarily a DC guy, and love Johns, Morrison, and Snyder, but I feel like they're bogged down setting up crossovers and uniting the new52 universe. Still great stuff from them, but just not on par with what Marvel's got going in Daredevil, Fantastic Four, etc. At least in my opinion. And if all can refrain from using the term "rape/raped/raping my childhood" when discussing Before Watchmen, I'd be very happy. You can hate the idea of it, definitely, but let's not get ridiculous and waste energy getting too wound up about it

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    WATCHMEN

    by optimous_douche

    I thought JMS was done with regular comics. This could be a train wreck - epic.

  • Well at least it is not as bad as the female Doctor Octopus...sigh...

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Now now - Am VAM has gotten love

    by optimous_douche

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49954#7

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    DC has threatened with making a Watchmen prequel for years.

    by hank henshaw

    Only reason they didn't go forward before was the generally negative reaction to such an announcement. Obviously DC doesn't give a shit anymore about what readers think. I fully expect them to, eventually, shoehorn them in (the Watchmen characters) into the New52 Universe.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    What I don't Get with WATCHMEN

    by optimous_douche

    The big thing that has me scratching my head is that the New DCU is supposed to be for new readers. Who would just walk in off the street and pick this up? I saw the WATCHMEN movie with all comic neophytes. The big questions were, how do these guys relate to Batman and Superman. No brand resonance outside of the geek circuit

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Poor Alan Moore... :(

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    So let me get this straight.

    by 3774

    If I wanted to jump on the Fantastic Four bus, I would want to buy FF #1-11, then switch over to Fantastic Four #600+. Is that right? No sale yet on American Vampire. If reading it was like eating chocolate as your boyfriend cleans the house (for once) while you explore one of Skyrim's Secret Forbidden Ruins of Hidden Mystery? Well then, you would have had a sale.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Here are the major questions with Watchmen

    by gooseud

    1. Is Alan Moore even capable of contributing even if he wanted to? For me, the answer is no, unless you like a prequel of Silk Spectre getting tentacle raped while her mom is chained in the corner forced to watch, while 20 replicas of Dr. Manhattan perform a blue-jizz radioactive bukkake party on Spectre's face while yelling in unison "Take that cancer spunk, you whore!!". The point is, Moore hasnt been Moore in a longggggg time. 2. Does anyone have anything new to contribute to the story? As always, I'm sure there would be ups and downs, good mini series and bad, but I find it hard to believe someone like Darwyn Cooke wouldnt have something of quality to say on the topic. So basically........we have a property where the original creator is unwilling and incapable of contributing to the advancement of said property. You have the aforementioned property being taken over by a group of creators who have done high quality work in the past. So........I guess that leads us yo question #3: do you believe the property should just be left alone on general principle? Thats a question each person has to answer, personally my answer is no. The Winter Soldier storyline is one of the best Cap stories ever written, and we never would have gotten that if the "leave it alone" crowd had had their way. So I say have at it, although I do see the other point of view.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Pink, American Vampire is the shiz

    by gooseud

    One of the best 1st issues ever. Just read #1 and 2, trust me, youll be hooked. Skinner Sweet is one of the best characters in comics.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    FUCK DC.THOSE GREEDY BASTARDS.

    by KilliK

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Yeah, if Moore wrote a Watchmen sequel...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...it would just be the Silk Spectre/Comedian rape scene extended to 12 issues. The guy is obsessed with rape, incest, and pedophilia and I think there's probably something genuinely wrong with him. That said, the book should be allowed to stand on its own. Not everything should be a fucking franchise. Did they make crappy sequels by different authors to Gone With The Wind? Dune? The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy? Oh.... wait...

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Fantastic Four/FF/Pink Apocalypse

    by Joenathan

    I love those books. Hickman is doing WITH EASE what Johns and Lee are currently Leifeld-failing at over on Justice League. Hickman's run is FANTASTIC (eh? eh? See what I did there? I know, I know, it's really clever. You're welcome). Anyway, read this book. Pink, this series references things that happened way back in Hickman's Fantastic Four mini-series from Dark Reign (it sets the tone and has a major plot point). If you really want to appreciate how far reaching, well thought out and fucking awesome this whole storyline is that is currently culminating in both FF and Fantastic Four... you want to start at the beginning of the run: #570. If you really don't want to start at the beginning, at least start with the storyline "Three" which is the last major bit before FF starts (although the Four Cities references might get confusing), then read FF and stick with it. Is it confusing, current continuity heavy and non-new reader friendly? Yes, that's what makes it good. Do the work: Fantastic Four: Dark Reign Fantastic Four: #570 -588 FF: #1 to current Fantastic Four: 600 to current (The two series mingle quite a bit.) It's worth it.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    WATCHMEN Prequel? Is DOOM In A Parallel Universe Of Horror?

    by V. von Doom

    Where did this horrendous news come from? DOOM commands you to post a link forthwith! Without knowing anything about it ... BAD! IDEA! And, more to the point of the article, DOOM also immediately recognized VENOM's reference to Simonson's "New Fantastic Four" from all those years ago. Does it make DOOM any more likely to pick up an issue. Ehhhmmm ... no. Marvel's Jedi mind tricks using fanboy nostalgia are useless on DOOM!

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Watchmen prequel

    by Joenathan

    I'm surprised anyone really cares. You were excited for Dark Knight 2, but not this? Or is this a reaction to the ass-tastic DK2? How will Watchmen be ruined? I imagine Cooke is just going to do 60's era noir stuff, I mean, he's not going to re-tell Rorshach's origin, so who cares? Besides, Alan Moore is a fucking douchebag old pervert asshole pedophile cocksucker. Fuck him. How come people got so up in arms of Starfire, but not his gross old pervert jack-off fantasies? Double fuck him! Also, while I freely admit the movie didn't quite work, I still loved it. Anyway... Go DC! Rub his face in it!

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with Joe

    by gooseud

    I've never seen anything to suggest that Moore is anything other then a complete douchenozzle. I'm supposed to feel sorry for that guy? I think that Neonomicon issue with the captured chick giving the tentacle beast a little willy and the hand jive action kinda knocked out the last but of sympathy for him.

  • is worth the price of admission.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    The problem with Watchmen properties

    by rumpledforeskin

    Is that mainstream comics has caught up and surpassed what was so groundbreaking 25 years ago. Moore pointed the way and everyone followed. There is no where else to go with the stories.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    watchmen prequel? really?

    by sonnyhooper

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Rumpledforeskin?

    by Joenathan

    Look man, no offense, but you didn't have the foresight needed to NOT name your "Rumpledforeskin", so you'll forgive me if I ignore your opinion and think a rich universe of flawed characters might actually be able to tell a few more minor stories, maybe, with the right creators

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Of course, to be fair

    by Joenathan

    There's a lot JMS involvement with the series, so maybe we shouldn't bother discussing it, because it's not like he'll ever finish the damn thing.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    i guess it was just a matter of time.

    by sonnyhooper

    i mean, it's been 25 years. so why the heck not. it's not like the book is being held up as the gold standard in comic book storytelling any more, so what the hell. <p> i do think that the fact that DC is willing to go there speaks to their level of desperation. why else would they be willing to re-cover ground that for years they held as sacred? <p> anyway while we are on the subject. am i the only one who thought the watchmen movie was pretty damn good? i mean, i never expected to get a movie that was HALF as close to the source material, so when Snyder pulled some shot for shot stuff from the comic i was more than a little shocked. maybe it was a question of expectations being about as low as they could be, but imo the movie wasn't horrible. and that was WAY more than i expected. <p> oh, and also speaking of writers who were big in the 80's but don't hold up so well today... about DK2.... i really liked it, i thought it was funny as hell. then i read somewhere that Frank Miller did NOT intend it to read as a parody of his past work and was shocked. i mean, really Frank? that whole book wasn't supposed to be a goof on TDKR? well fuck me running, it sure as hell seemed like a parody to me.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Oh Pink

    by optimous_douche

    AMERICAN VAMPIRE is the girly version of bliss as well. You can't play in the clubhouse without a few of the boys breaking wind now and then, as you stated once, that's just who we are.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    The watchman movie/DK2

    by Joenathan

    I loved the Watchmen movie. I realize it didn't quite work as a whole, but I still thought it was awesome. I bought it. The only thing I didn't like was the cop shooting at Rorshach from like four feet away and missing. It always throws me out of the movie for a second. DK2... Funny? ...whatever. Anyway, in the end, it wasn't whether or not it was poorly written or "funny", it was just all around poorly done. The art was terrible and rushed. The story was stupid. It was just bad, all around. It looked terrible, it read terrible, it cost too much for the content. Everything about it was bad and it didn't need to be. Dark Knight was a story that could have said more, it's just too bad that Frank Miller apparently had a stroke or something before writing it.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    And Let us Not Forget on DK2

    by optimous_douche

    It took almost a year for three issues to come out the longest wait being for the last issue because Miller was so "affected" by 9/11. Hey, we all were, it doesn't mean I didn't go to work the next day in freaking NYC.

  • Then maybe I would've been interested a bit more in sticking with their main line of characters. Instead of not caring about either.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Hey man

    by Joenathan

    Wonder Woman, Snyder's Batman and Action comics are good. You should read them.

  • Why not?

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    but joe thats what i'm saying about DK2...

    by sonnyhooper

    ....it should be a parody but it isn't, or at least Miller didn't intend it to be. when i first started reading it i though *oh, Frank is making fun of all that grim and gritty stuff he did before. he is deconstructing the deconstruction. how funny and clever* <p> then i came to find out that Miller wasn't being funny or clever, he though all of that serious. it was kind of chilling to find out that Miller had not grown as a person or as an artist since 1985.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Watchmen prequels / Hickman

    by xsikal

    I honestly don't see much of a need for these... I think Watchmen stands just fine on its own, and have never found myself thinking 'man, if there only were some books talking about the characters' lives before these events'. That said, some of the creative teams they've chosen are going to force me to buy at least a few of these series anyway. As far as Hickman goes, I really really enjoyed his Secret Warriors (I think that was the title) series, and I was excited about the Fantastic Four, but I disconnected sometime in the middle of his extremely decompressed 'hey let's have a number of issues about black bolt in the middle of some other thing you're probably not going to remember' FF storyline, and dropped the title before Fantastic Four came back with issue #600. With Secret Warriors, I felt like I always knew what was going on, and that there was a definite endgame planned. I just never got that feeling with his FF/Fantastic Four work, so I ended up not sticking with it.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Sonny, it could be worst

    by gooseud

    Miller could have grown since 1985 into a pedobear incest loving freakshow. Count ur blessings!

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Creators on Watchmen

    by gooseud

    Guys, this isn't Liefeld and Loeb here. Is it really impossible that such an all star cast could be capable of compelling stories in that universe? Although give me a Brubaker Rorshach and a Scott Snyder Comedian minis and I'll die happy.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    How about that "Before Watchmen" bullshit?

    by Rex Carsalot

    Good christ, DC - what is wrong with you?

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Joenathan...

    by superhero

    I actually do like WW, Batman, Batman and Robin, and Animal Man. That's four books out of 52. That's one awful average. Plus, they are not good enough to keep me from seriously thinking about dropping my weekly pull list for the first time in, um, ever. I'm kinda done with weekly books. Even if I'm not able to pick them up every week. Gettin' tired of four dollar comics. But that's just me, I guess. Back to trades for me. The only thing that kept me from dropping my pull list was my love for Walking Dead and my love is waning. May just go to waiting for the hardcover collections with WD like I do with Invincible. I dunno. Depends on how good the last couple of issue are when I finally getting around to getting to the shop to pick them up. We'll see. Could be the end of the pull list for me. Oh, well...that's no big loss to the comic companies I'm sure.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Hate for Watchmen = Immaturity

    by Rex Carsalot

    If you weren't around when it was originally published then you can't possibly understand what a kick in the ass it was - comics were so fucking stale by that point, and everything that happens was a direct response to that. If all you saw was incest and rape, then you really missed the point. Likely of a lot of things in life.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Sonny

    by Joenathan

    Ok, sure, but to me, that's not funny. Young Frankenstein is funny. Supertroopers is funny. South Park the Movie is funny. DK2 was just... sad...

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    xsikal

    by Joenathan

    You should go back and get caught up, because all of that stuff mattered and it's all coming together into this threat that showcases the FF at their best, a family of adventurers exploring the cosmos, out-gunned, out-classed, but still fighting. It's awesome

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Uncanny X-force 21 came out today too

    by DOGSOUP

    Why did England get to be picked for protect the entire multiverse with Captain Britons guarding the Otherworld? Still the best filthy mutie book out there

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Venom Crossover

    by Homer Sexual

    Great. Now I am going to buy Venom 13. As I said last week, the only book I've ever read by Remender, the X-Force .1 issue, was horrible. Just awful. But I do love X-23. Flash as Venom was obvious last year when it was a "mystery" and is a terrible idea. But you have made this sound good. Probably tomorrow I will be here bitching. But Ima buy it and see whats up. (Venom with gadgets just seems like it can't be good.) Justice League: Please continue to review it and tell us how crappy it is, because I hated issue 1, haven't bought any more, and enjoy feeling vindicated by all the negative response. Anyway, we who post keep it going with or without a lot of reviews. I'll throw this out: What do you think of All-Star Western? I have every issue of Jonah Hex, and I have mixed feelings. The plots of JH were becoming repetitious, so Gotham brings something new. OTOH, JH in Gotham doesn't really work for me, and I think they are trying too hard to shoehorn Bat-History into JH. Also, love the backup Barbary Ghost, but is it worth an extra dollar? IDK.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I hear you on WD

    by Joenathan

    Honestly, I think trades are the future. As much as I love the pamphlets, the better stories are trade written these days, pacing wise, so maybe you're better off.

  • .... RORSCHACH – Writer: Brian Azzarello. Artist: Lee Bermejo: so, ok that works. very good pairing of talent to character and subject matter. azzarello and bermejo's bread and butter are dark, violent, and *realistic* characters. should be a slam dunk. <p> MINUTEMEN – Writer/Artist: Darwyn Cooke: again good paring of talent and subject matter. Cooke loves the golden and silver age, this book should be right in his wheel house. gonna give it the benefit of the doubt because Cooke has not let me down yet. <p> COMEDIAN – Writer: Brian Azzarello. Artist: J.G. Jones: the fucking cover is disturbing to say the least and with Azzarello writing this could be a very dark book indeed. Jones as the artist kind of throws me off, his art seems too clean and pretty for this type of book. <p> DR. MANHATTAN – Writer: J. Michael Straczynski. Artist: Adam Hughes: not sure about this, hope they have all 4 issues in the can allready, because JMS has ADD. i don't trust him to finish anything. <p> NITE OWL – Writer: J. Michael Straczynski. Artists: Andy and Joe Kubert: meh. whatever. again JMS probably won't finish it and the kuberts don't float my boat as artists. <p> OZYMANDIAS – Writer: Len Wein. Artist: Jae Lee: another meh. gonna be hard to make the character sympathetic as a hero knowing what he does in the original comic. <p> SILK SPECTRE – Writer: Darwyn Cooke. Artist: Amanda Conner : like i said Cooke can do no wrong as far as i'm concerned, but he might have to do some heavy lifting here to make the character into something besides the one note she played in the original comic. <p> and the whole CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CORSAIR back-up story is the WTF, real head scratcher to me. is the character supposed to be a member of the crew from the black freighter? or just some new creation all together? but i guees the mystery is the whole point of introducing a new character into an existing property.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Rex No One Hates the Old Watchmen

    by optimous_douche

    Well maybe they do, but that's not what I gleaned from the conversation this week. If anything, it's the intense love for Watchmen that's forcing this vitriol to spew forward. Watchmen was one of those watershed books that changed everything. Yes it was expertly crafted, but what made it classic was that it changed the medium. Some will argue for worse, but I believe the better. No one will argue the change though. This was my "problem" with the movie. We saw the stunt work in the Matrix and offering up a gritty superhero rife with flaws is no longer original. I'm intrigued by a dabble into this universe again, but I will not get my hopes up that these prequels are going to usher in the next era of storytelling. All the rape comments are hyperbole reflecting more on Moore's work post Watchmen. Yes, I know there was a scene in the original, but it added to the characters and was not gratuitous like that sex book Moore came out with a few years ago.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Moore's work pre-Watchmen was still really rapey

    by Laserhead

    Miracleman? Swamp Thing?

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller had that stroke around 1991

    by Laserhead

    Well before he wiped his ass and called it DK2.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Who cares if they're revisiting the Watchmen characters?

    by Laserhead

    Really? 30 and 40 year olds are acting like twats about this? Watchmen is great. It's not perfect. Nothing is. And since the characters were already Charlton analogues, why not play with them some more? Brian Azzarello doing Rorschach? What kind of deranged meat-sack has a problem with that? Moore generally thinks too highly of his own work. They're like right behind the Bible in terms of human importance.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    yeah, and i guess i should claify Joe..

    by sonnyhooper

    ...i didn't mean funny in the haha laugh out loud way. i meant funny in the ironic, oh it's self parody way. <p> all though i do laugh out loud whenever i see frank millers the spirit on tv. thats just the kind of thing that is so bad you can't help but laugh at it.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Homer, Jonah Hex

    by gooseud

    has the same problem as Conan. They are interesting in small doses, but the problem is this: they cant die. Therefore, putting them in life threatening situation after life threatening situation, only to have them mow down 8 million redshirts and escape unscathed, it gets a little played out over time. And this is coming from a big Conan fan.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I actually agree with Laserhead, this is a first

    by gooseud

    Sometimes, people do follow-ups on classic properties, and they suck. Some jabroni wrote a sequel to Gone With The Wind. The Thing remake sucked last year. There are a million examples. Sometimes, people do a remake/prequel/re-imagining and its awesome. Timothy Zahn's Star Wars books are as good or better then the movies. Dawn of the Dead, the remake, the dirty secret that every geek knows and just doesnt talk about is that its better then the original. It just depends on the people involved. Anything can be good or bad, just give it a chance, who knows? It might be awesome. Unless of course you think Darwyn Cooke has mysteriously lost the ability to write comics.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    I'll start picking up FF issues when I can.

    by 3774

    And wrinkling my nose and frantically waving my hand at Optimus when necessary.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Dawn of the Dead

    by Joenathan

    I wouldn't say: better than the original, but I would say: Just as good. Also, it's a re-imagining, NOT a re-make

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Justice League... yeah

    by Tom Fremgen

    I think disappointment is the best d-word for this series so far. As you mentioned, it's Johns and Lee, how could you not except good things from this book. But so far it's nearly all empty action- not context. Right now I'm just hoping the next story arc is better. Plug- Want to see if I can do better? Check out the newest issue of Cindy Li! http://www.toonocity.com

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    @joenathan

    by xsikal

    See, my problem is that, in addition to the destination being worthwhile, I need to enjoy the journey as well, particularly if I'm going to be paying for it. I got that with SW... did not get it with FF.

  • Well played, sir! You had me cracking up with this one. I love how we can be in our 30's and still ponder questions like "Why does female Ghost Rider have boobs?" It's a valid question, though. Still, I picked up the book based on your recommendation. Not that we ALWAYS agree, but this sounds fun. Haven't read it yet.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    This Watchmen thing makes me sick

    by Autodidact

    Is nothing sacred?

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Autodidact, if u asked Alan Moore .....

    by gooseud

    Judging by his work of the past 10 years, I'm guessing his answer would be a resounding no.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    the Alan Moore controdiction.....

    by sonnyhooper

    .....you have to admit that Moore has balls the size of water-melons. he is basically saying that DC has no right to keep using the characters and concepts he came up with 25 years ago while at the same time he writes books that have characters he did not originally create doing things that the original creators probably would not appreciate them doing. <p> i guess its a good thing for Alan Moore that J.M Barrie, H. Rider Haggard, Bram Stoker, and Jules Verne (ect. ect.) are not around to tell him what they think of how the characters they created should or should not be used.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I don't think the isue with Alan Moore is...

    by superhero

    the fact that he created them and that other people are using them. I think that he's pissed that DC didn't acknowledge that he was the creator and the fact that there were deals in the making years ago that he would have been cut out of. Or that he didn't have a say in. I think it was about respect. Now that he's shunned royalties...I have no idea what he's bitching about. Yes, he's a fucking genius but he's made so many other great comics since then. He needs to get over it. Oh, and this isn't the first Watchmen prequel. The DC Roleplaying game did a module based on The Watchmen universe back in the late 80's. And, yes, I am a big nerd.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    The reason she has boobs...

    by Crooooooow

    Is the same reason the lizard women in Skyrim have boobs and the same reason all female robots have boobs. Boobs are awesome!! BTW are you sure it was Mr. Fixit in the New Fantastic Four? I remember it being the intelligent green hulk from the 90's.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck is "Brice Timm?"

    by Gabe Athouse

    No one cares.

  • Some men just want to watch the world burn.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I doubt Alan Moore even knows what hes bitching about anymore..

    by sonnyhooper

    ....if it was about the rights to the characters he created, he probably should have had his lawyers put better language in his contract. if it was about respect than that makes even less sense, because to me, it's kinda hard to talk about principals and respect when Moore has written a book that has Dorothy Gale and Wendy Darling have sex with each other depicted in the pages of said book. and i'm not saying that as judgment over the content of the book, i'm just saying it's comes off a bit hypocritical on Moores part if he is talking about respect for source material and creator rights. <p> i do seem to recall that originally Moore was pissed about DC releasing a set of pins or buttons to promote WATCHMEN way back when it was first published. according to Moore, he had an agreement with DC that there would be no merchandise sold related to Watchmen and that the buttons violated that agreement. DC countered that the buttons were given away as a promotion and as such didn't come under the definition of merchandise being *sold*. <p> to me that's a dispute over language in a contract and that's why lawyers make a shit ton of money. i'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just is what it is. <p> i also seem to recall Moore being pissed because the same agreement with DC stated that if Watchmen ever went out of print that the rights would revert back to Moore. but that never happened because the book was so wildly popular and gets reprinted constantly. Again that's all about the language used in the contract, and if anything shows that Moore is just the victim of his own success. if the book sucked no one would have cared and it would have never been reprinted. <p> i'm not really sure what Alan Moore expected from a big company like DC and or the brothers warner. personally i find i'm never disappointed in the behavior of big companies like DC or Warner Brothers because i never expect them to act in any way except for their own self interest.

  • He wrote comics. God love him. Some of those comics had a deep and profoundly meaningful affect on me as a child, and others I enjoyed as an adult for their sheer storytelling craftsmanship and imagination. But come the fuck on. The man wrote comics; he wasn't an auteur, he wasn't DaVinci. He's a comic book writer who worships a sock puppet, and he seems to think his comic books are the most important cultural products of the twentieth century. The guy really, really, really needs to look in the mirror and have a laugh at himself.

  • So, you know... goose/gander. Etc.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    John Constantine

    by TheDean

    any record of Moore being upset by John Constantine being written past his run in Swamp Thing? I could be wrong, but I think Moore is just pointint out a difference between contributing to established, ongoing worlds, where he knows what he does or creates will be carried on, and writing sequels/prequels to worlds and characters that have a definitive start/end point, hence his Moby Dick reference. But seriously, has he groaned about Hellblazer in the past?

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Sonny, I have a serious question

    by gooseud

    I agree with everything you said, although if thats true and the intial dispute was over giveaway buttons, thats the most retarded, pedantic, petty dick-measuring thing I've ever heard. Having said that.........can you imagine, in 2012, if the rights actually DID revert to Moore? If he was given everything he wants, total control over the property? in 2012, how long before we got a "Comedian fucks Silk Spectre after finding out shes his daughter, but before she knows he is her dad?" Vegas set the over/under on months at 6.5. My point is this.......hypothetical 1986 saintly Alan Moore who can do no wrong, who may or may not have ever existed, putting that aside, who in 2012 do we truly believe is more competent and suited to nurture and protect this work? Is DC actuaally doing us all a favor and protecting us from the massive damage that 2012 Alan Moore would do to his legacy, such as it is?

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    i dunno gooseud...

    by sonnyhooper

    .....it's hard to say with any degree of certainty what would happen if Moore got the rights back. but that is a excellent question. as the subject of my last post pointed out i don't think Alan Moore even knows what he wants any more. so i doubt it's about Moore even really WANTING the rights backs as much as he just likes to bitch about it. <p> but you do raise a good point, DC might be a better choice as the protector of the rights to Watchmen than Moore ever would or could be, mostly because of the very things you suggest. i do shutter to think of what he might do with those characters in the hear and now. <p> but, i all honesty, i'm willing to bet that Moore is so sick to death of talking about Watchmen that if he did get the rights back, he would be more than happy to let the property sit on his shelf and gather dust. it seems he has moved on from deconstructing super heroes to deconstruction characters in classic works of fiction. which in the end is probably better for everyone involved.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    That's it? That's, umm...

    by Jaka

    ...sad.

  • Moore shows the backstory of these characters in excessive detail. Like is there really anything else to go into? It's not as if it's not a prequel / flashback that you haven't seen anything of, it's literally in the book itself!

  • Because those are pretty recent. How about any of his other ABC work? Personally, I also really liked The Courtyard/Neonomicon. The end of the latter kind of freaked me out. I hope he returns to that story someday. <p> And really, just a general what the fuck? lol Alan Moore backlash? How much great work has the man done and when do you believe it stopped? Because I don't see a point where that took place. Regardless, does everything great that he did get pushed aside because he has some far out opinions about the current state of comics? <p> Moore did, and does, consistently original and interesting work that often ventures into the area commonly know as greatness. There are very, VERY few creators who have ever done so much to push the boundaries of what gets published in a "comic book". <p> Now, I have no argument for some of his comments in recent years having gone a bit loopy. They have. It does often seem like he's being contrary and negative for no particular reason. Or like he's trying to fit into the persona he's created for himself. But if he wants to talk shit about what people do with his work after he's left it behind, I think he has every right. And I still don't think it does anything to dismiss all the great work he's done. <p> All that being said, I'm kind of indifferent in regards to the Watchmen prequels. I guess there could be some interesting stuff to see in that world. I hope two things happen, though. One, that they don't try to make all the books tie-in to the original series. Two, that they really go deep and flesh out other parts of the world.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Watchmen prequels

    by DuncanHines

    Bring them on. Especially the Len Wein written ones. We saw what Alan Moore did with Len's characters. Let's see what Len does with Alan's.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    no, no, no...

    by sonnyhooper

    Top 10, Tom Strong, Tomorrow Stories, all great stuff by Moore. i think the backlash comes from the goofy stuff he has to say and the attitude he has towards mainstream comics. the idea that any of his work should never be adapted to film or added to by other comic creators is laughable. i mean, they are just fucking comic books after all.

  • The long extended rapey bit in the middle almost made me check out, but I have to admit it does pay off in the end.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN stood on its own as this perfect thing

    by Autodidact

    Now it's been ruined in a way. There will always be the one true series. But to me the coolest meta-thing about WATCHMEN was that it stood alone as this perfect example of comics storytelling and world creation. It was singularly perfect, on its own level, unsullied by marketing or financial degradation. Then the movie came out and WATCHMEN was ruined a bit because now it was something that soccer moms were aware they didn't like. Now it's just another whore getting pissed on by everyone.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Re: no, no, no... by sonnyhooper

    by DuncanHines

    I think it's Alan Moore's "Do as I say, but not as I do, because I'm going to do it better than you because I am better than you" attitude about using other people's characters and creations that haven't been touched in a while - that's what's causing the backlash. I, too, loved the whole ABC line, with the exception of The Black Dossier.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Alan Moore

    by Joenathan

    He's just a creepy old fucking pervert douchebag who strives for relevance now by bitching whenever he can, knowing some fanboy will lick up the puddle. When he was great, he was the best, but now... Fuck him.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    The reason Ghost Rider-ette (?) has boobs

    by Joenathan

    Implants. If she unzips her jacket, two saline bags would fall out. Now, why the saline hasn't evaporated? I dunno.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    autodidact re Neonomicon

    by Jaka

    Yeah. Read it. Had the same experience. Mentioned it up above. The end actually creeped me out a bit. I hope he goes back to that story, with a little less rapey.

  • For me, the work and the artist can be processed separately, on two totally different levels. There are plenty of douchenozels working in comics who haven't done NEARLY as much good work as Alan Moore.

  • ...and then orange, blue, yellow, violet and indigo Hulks show up. And dammit! Where the FUCK does Thunderbolt Ross' mustache GO?!!? Seriously though, Hulk hasn't been good since Peter David quit writing him (Shout out to PAD!).

  • Zack the Hack got hit with the tanking of Sucker Punch and that owl thing as karmic justice, hope Cooke doesn't get slapped with an equivalent career embarrassment, even though he kind of deserves it.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    gash-ghastly:

    by Poptard_JD

    thankyewsir! I'm glad you enjoyed my infantile humor! Let me know what you thought of Venom after you read it! you can email me at info@poptardsgo.com :)

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    crooooooow

    by Poptard_JD

    yup, Mr. Fixit! Check it: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wXL4IAymK4c/TqA9vPeRx7I/AAAAAAAAF1U/oF4ZUAZSJ6I/s1600/fantastic_four__348___comic_book_cover_super.jpeg

  • Just four years after the end of The Watchmen, long before ANYTHING in the ABC line. <p> For whatever it's worth, he didn't just become an old pervert.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    a serious question for autodidact and jaka

    by gooseud

    I'm going to list off several things: Moore's increasingly wack a doo comments over the years. Taking children's works such as Peter Pan and turning them into twisted sex fantasies. LOXG gradually turning into a pervy orgy-tastic freak fest (starting with Mina's extended rape-ish scene in vol 2). Neonomicon......well, nuff said. Now, all of these things, taken INDIVIDUALLY, dont necessarily mean anything. Kirkman has occasional twisted shit in his writings all the time. Ennis writes crazy stuff. Whoever writes Crossed these days. If PEter David randomly wrote Neonomicon, I dont think the world would be up in arms. However, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, this adding up to a larger picture of Moore these days.......it doesnt give you pause? I'm not one to judge anyone's artistic taste when it comes to these criteria, but I just feel like there comes a......point? level? Where an artist is no longer making works that I want to participate in, and I feel like Moore crossed that line a long time ago.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    And for the record, Killing Joke

    by gooseud

    is my favorite Batman story ever. Moore's talent is undeniable, and he wouldnt be the first overwhelmingly talented artist to sink under the weight of his own mental issues, nor the last. I dont disparage the man's obvious talent.

  • Feb. 1, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Watchmen

    by TDavis

    Let's see.....J. Michael Straczynski is writing the Dr. Manhattan prequel. That probably means we'll see 1 or 2 issues before JMS gets distracted and it goes on "hiatus" for a couple of years. I mean, I just picked up my copy of "The Twelve" #9 a mere 2 YEARS after the release of #8. I hope DC (and anyone else who hires him) tells Straczynski that they'll sign the paycheck when he hands in the completed scripts.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST

    too many damn hulks, lads, lass, kid this or that

    by KelVarnson

    I wish we didn't have to have junior versions of the cool heroes lady versions of heroes. How about original junior heroes or original female heroes. By doing the junior - she versions it can take away from the uniqueness of the hero. And of course I'm not talking about Robin. Wonder Woman is a good example of unique female hero. The Invisible Woman is another one.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    MarvelMan was Ultimate Shazam! FACT!

    by thecomedian

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    OK, I’ll have a go at it. But this is going to be long.

    by Jaka

    Watchmen (1987) The Comedian viciously beats and rapes Sally. <p> The Killing Joke (1989) The Joker shoots Barbara Gordon in cold blood, leaving her paralyzed. Commissioner Gordon is stripped naked, put in a dog collar, tortured and dragged around by midget, circus freaks. He’s then shown pictures of a nude, bleeding Barbara Gordon. That was Alan Moore’s idea of a good time in Killing Joke. (Not at all trying to belittle you or your choice of comic books as Batman is the only super hero I've ever paid attention to and Killing Joke is definitely one of my favorites as well.) <p> From Hell (Originally published from 1991 to 1996) An in-depth study of Jack The Ripper containing many scenes of graphic sex and extreme violence, the latter of which is almost exclusively being done to women. <p> As previously mentioned, Lost Girls was also first published in 1991. I’m sure there are many other examples I could find to show that Alan Moore’s use of violence, sex and general perviness aren’t anything new. I don’t believe that his ideas have degraded into some unacceptable realm of bad taste at any point in his career, because they're in the same place they've always been. Is his use of rape as a writing tool intended to shock been overdone? Yes. Sure. But it’s not nothing new. His work has always been twisted, dark and somewhat “off”, to say the least. <p> Further, if a company like Avatar existed in the 80s and early 90s I’m sure he would have taken full advantage of it and published the type of stories he does with them back then. <p> ------------------------------------------------- <p> There’s a comic book right now that a lot of people consider to be a pinnacle of the art form. Back in 1984 the guy responsible for it created a book called Elementals. From 1984 to 1990 over 70 issues of Elementals or related titles were printed. From 1991 to 1993 four issues were released under the name Elementals Sex Special. They featured all of the characters this guy had created completely nude, having sex (duh) (although he only wrote a small portion of those stories). From 1991 to 1995 this guy wrote and drew a hardcore adult fantasy book called Ironwood. It contains penises, vaginas, penetration, money shots, demon sex, etc. That guy was Bill Willingham, and he’s doing alright with a little property called Fables. <p> Robert Crumb has been considered a sexist, racist, pervert by many people for fifty years. <p> Underground comics (or commix) in general (of which I have a fairly massive digital collection – over 1500 issues) tackled all of the same themes Alan Moore touches on, but they did it in the 70s. Rape (human on human and any number of other things on human) and many other extreme sexual practices were illustrated and written about. For their time, they were far more shocking than anything Alan Moore has had published. And many of them used established characters (including those associated with children’s literature) in the telling of those adult tales. <p> Heavy Metal has been publishing adult fantasy and science fiction in the vein of Moore’s work for more than forty years. <p> There are comic books as graphic as Moore’s printed in other parts of the world that are considered beautiful works of art. <p> Jim Balent’s Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose has, over its 72 issue run (thus far) has become progressively more graphic, and popular. It contains fully nude women regularly being violated in all sorts of ways. <p> Faust and any number of the other Avatar Press books went far beyond Moore's boundaries, with far less quality and imagination. The books Verotik and a thousand other small adult themed publishers have released over the last forty years regularly cover the same themes. There is nothing Alan Moore is doing that hasn’t been done before. The only difference (in most cases) is the quality of the work and the name attached to it. <p> ------------------------------------------------ <p> I do not believe that art of any kind should be censored. I do not believe in censorship, period. I believe in a free state where each individual is allowed to see, experience and judge for themselves. I have no issues with anything Alan Moore has ever had published, regardless of whether or not I’ve actually enjoyed it. Neonomicon, for all the apparent distaste it’s brought about in its readers (or those who looked at the rapey pages), was supposed to be horrific. It wasn’t supposed to be easy to take. To that affect, it worked. <p> Along those lines, I also take no umbrage with anyone who chooses to dislike his work for any reason. It’s all about personal freedom for me. I just wish it was all about the work and I don’t believe that’s the case anymore. If you choose to dislike Neonomicon because you feel it’s just Alan Moore, up to his old tricks, I can totally respect that. Don’t like it because it’s not your kind of "art", I get that. Not liking it because Alan Moore has become a “creepy old fucking pervert douchebag”, well, that I have no problem disagreeing with. First, because I don’t believe he’s changed, I think this is the person he was from day one. Second, because that has nothing to do with the quality or validity of his art. All manner of artists throughout history have been “creepy old fucking pervert douchebags”, to say the least. That never stopped anybody from created brilliant art. <p> So, getting to the point, while I don’t believe Moore has changed, I think his audience has. Unfortunately, for me anyway, I believe that a lot of what has brought about this change is those “wack a doo comments”. I completely agree that he lives in a hypocritical world of do as I say, not as I do. There’s no denying that he did exactly what he’s telling others not to do and he did it to great success. Again, it's just unfortunate that it seems to be taking away from all the work he's done, past and present. <p> Personally, as I said before, none of that matters to me. I can separate the nutty, self-centered, possibly (OK, probably) delusional artist from the art. And I still enjoy his work a great majority of the time.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    *creating

    by Jaka

    Shit. That's what I get for changing something in the talkback instead of MS word. Oh well.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I CANT WAIT FOR THE RORSCHARCH/QUESTION TEAM-UP.

    by KilliK

    AND THE REST OF THE WATCHMEN/DCU CROSSOVERS.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Wow Jaka that was great, seriously

    by gooseud

    Its nice to get some reasoned debate on AICN instead of the usual random fanboy raving. I dont actually really disagree with anything you said, I'll just kinda add a few random musings to top it off (since there really isnt much else to say on it at this point) Moore is supremely talented, there is really no denying it. I actually dont really have a problem with neonomicon as a work of comic fiction, its pretty accomplished actually. I really respect my local comic shop guy and he loved it. It isnt my cup of tea, but I respect the work. I would have no problem sitting down and reading From Hell tomorrow, or V for Vendetta. I guess.........just as I get older, when I look at the path of the work AS A WHOLE, I just feel like hes going somewhere, down a path I cant follow. This probably isnt new, if Avatar and Image had existed in 1986, he might have gone down the path a long time ago. Honestly, Neonomicon isnt the one to be angry about. I feel like LOXG is where Moore's sexual quirks really got the better of him, that story completely got away from him in my opinion. Honestly, one of my biggest regrets is that prime Alan Moore never got the chance to write a Shazam series, that would have been amazing. To bring it full circle, I think its a ballsy move (although granted, one motivated by artistic achievment? No, motivated by profit more likely) to re-visit Watchmen. Moore, in my opinion, isnt the guy to do it in 2012. I guess I just look at it like this: if you hate the idea, hate it because you think the stories will be poor, although with the talent involved, theres no reason to believe that. Dont hate it simply because it should never be revisited on general principle, any story can be good or bad, Alan Moore would be the first to agree with that. Any story can have merit and be an artitic success.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I Happen To Have Alan Moore Right Here

    by Buzz Maverik

    Since he doesn't know how to use a computer or post on a message board, he has asked me to share his response to this news: "Slog off you puntahs bloody rot fookin' git gimme me ciggies!"

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Miller, Moore and Let's Throw In Byrne

    by Buzz Maverik

    This is why I keep telling youse guys that comic book writers and artists aren't your friends, that you shouldn't worship them or kiss their asses in any way and they are each as good or valuable as their last work. Your fandom is not good for the people who do the work. I think we all owe Al, Frank and Byrnsie apologies for what we turned them into. And Liefeld too. Bendis, it's not too late for you, there is still good in you, I can sense it. Now, Millar and Ellis, those are lost causes but...

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Jaka's Right But...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...the older Al gets, the creepier it all gets.

  • Female Ghost Rider, eh.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Watchmen is not perfect. Moore is a hairy bag of small penis.

    by Laserhead

    If you worship anybody who WRITES FUCKING COMIC BOOKS, if you even think such a person is "important", you have personal problems which far transcend the 'Watchmen prequels.' Seriously, and I'm including the ABC characters who are all analogues to various established characters and types, but Moore has only EVER re-purposed other people's ideas. Period. Here's how he works: He inherits a character. He kills the character. He rebuilds the character so that the character discovers that everything he thought was true about himself is wrong. (Captain Britain, Miracleman, Swamp Thing, etc.)

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Regarding the pornographic output of the creators Jaka mentioned--

    by Laserhead

    They did porn work because at heart these are not exactly dynamic or powerful men, but unattractive nerds with tiny dicks who have to get off to writing about cartoon sex. Just look at Moore for fuck's sake-- what decent woman would want to roll around with that hideous mess? Do you imagine these creeps actually get to make love to attractive women? Of course not. They're alienated mouth-breathers. They write about dirty sex because they don't get to have it.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I could never buy the argument....

    by sonnyhooper

    ....that somehow a sequel or prequel has the ability to cheapen the original work. because no matter what, the original work still exists and you can choose to ignore anything that comes along after the fact. <p> i mean, i know that fan boy like to make a national pass-time out of saying that the star wars prequels 'rapped their childhoods or whatever but come the fuck on people. all you really have to do is tell yourself that star wars ended in 1983 when the credits rolled on return of the jedi and you can carry on with your life....such as it is. <p> same thing goes for Watchmen, you don't want to read the prequel comics don't read them. it's just that fucking easy.

  • I'm not sure what to think about Moore's rapey writing. My best guess is there are two main factors: Moore is just a really dark writer who is willing to put such things in his stories for shock value and as a way to firmly root his comics in "adult" territory (he has always been slightly embarassed by writing comics, it seems). The second factor is probably classic alienated nerd syndrome... Moore has probably never laid eyes on a super-hot women and successfully gone on to put his ding dong in her hoo hah. Might leave him mad at women to the point that 50% of the female characters in his stories are either shameless whores, rape victims, or end up taking a bullet right through the fallopeans.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    super-hot womAn

    by Autodidact

    I hate that typo.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    WATCHMEN is perfect

    by Autodidact

    It doesn't matter if all Moore does is reinvent characters (I noticed this around the time LOEG 2 came out... like, dude you're really standing on the shoulders of giants here..). In WATCHMEN he did it perfectly. It's the perfect superhero comic.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    * perfect deconstruction of the superhero comic

    by Autodidact

    which is also an amazing superhero comic.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Killing Joke isnt a deconstruction

    by gooseud

    Its simply a genius level work of comics fiction. I find it so definitive that really, you dont need to read any other Batman/Joker comic. That book says everything there is to say on the topic, anything else is redundant. Although obviously Dark Knight took it in a different direction.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Of course the Killing Joke is a deconstruction

    by Laserhead

    It completely deconstructs the Joker, even revising his origin so that he becomes a poor widdle victim. Really don't like Killing Joke's weepy, "society's victim" portrait of the Joker. That's Moore's socialism infringing on a character who was richer without it. Brian Bolland's art is god-like, however.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Peter David says:

    by Laserhead

    Moore’s position is odd considering he took characters created by Jules Verne and Bram Stoker and turned them into superheroes, and transformed beloved literary heroines into subjects of erotica. Does public domain automatically make one morally superior in recycling the iconic characters created by authors who are no longer around to voice their protests? Considering his Moby Dick comparison, apparently he doesn’t think so. Does the fact that it's a corporation taking the initiative rather than a single individual automatically make the endeavor inferior? That’s a hard argument to make considering that a corporate entity desiring to utilize its properties led to “Watchmen” in the first place. The fact that Moore is so vehemently opposed to the other authors working upon his characters — characters that are pastiches of Charlton Comics creators — might tell you something about how L. Frank Baum would likely have reacted to Moore's handling of Dorothy. And if that's the case, people who stridently protest Watchmen prequels might want to reconsider the moral validity of their ire.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Moore

    by Laserhead

    I agree with Peter David. Moore comparing Watchmen to Moby Dick is ridiculously delusional and self-inflating. To be clear, I like reading Alan Moore's work. Even the more recent, significantly degraded work he turns out. But the man is a hypocritical clown.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    even Moore has said that the Killing Joke...

    by sonnyhooper

    ....really doesn't have much to say other than the idea that Batman and the Joker share the same psychosis. which really isn't very interesting imo. <p> i never liked the *one bad day* excuse for the actions of the joker. i think the character works better as a force of nature. the idea of chaos unbound is a lot more compelling to me than a guy who lost his wife in a fire and decided it was his excuse jump into a pool of chemicals and start acting out. <p> also never liked the concept of Batman being as crazy as the people he fights. to me that kind of thinking discounts the human desire to do good. id like to think that Bruce Wayne is a slightly more complex character than simply a nut job in a bat-suit. <p> and don't get me wrong i still think the Killing Joke is a good story, i just don't think it's the be all end all of batman/joker stories.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Good one, Peter David

    by Joenathan

    Spot on. Spot on.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    YOU IGNORANT IDIOTS WHO

    by KilliK

    defend corporations against true artists should be ashamed of yourselves. READ THIS: http://comixace.tumblr.com/post/16930628534/from-the-audience-do-you-actually-own-watchmen DO YOU GET IT NOW? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DC is not making these abomination prequels to serve art,not to satisfy the fans, not to milk even more this classic masterpiece.They are doing this to PREVENT Mr Moore from getting his rightful intellectual ownership of his creations BACK. And you have the nerve,the guts to criticize Moore,the man who without him you would still keep calling comics as funny books instead of graphic novels,who is doing nothing more than staying true to his artistic integrity,beliefs and principles? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? FUCK DC.FUCK THEIR FASCIST COPYRIGHT LAWS.FUCK THEIR CHEAP TRICKS TO CONTROL ARTISTS AND KEEP THEIR CREATIONS AS THEIR OWN.DEFEND THE ARTISTS.DEFEND THEIR INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS.DEFEND THEIR LEGACY TO OUR CULTURE.

  • Like what Mark Waid did with putting a graphic rape scene in a FUCKING SUPERMAN COMIC????? Understand something. Moore is an artist and there is a reason that he ie puts a rape in his comics even if that is all about satisfying some inner fantasy of his. He is not doing that as a cheap way to shock the comic fans and the critics in order to advertise himself as some kind of gritty and daring artist whose works are too offensive for the average comic nerd and as such they are difficult for him to "understand" Moore is making mature comics and he has repeatedly stated in his interviews that making your comics "dark" by depicting excessively visceral violence and rape does not mean that you are automatically make then MATURE.he has said that again and again. And unfortunately it was something that Snyder the Hack didnt understand when he tried his hardest to persuade the studio to let him make his Watchmen movie as R-rated and have in it a very repulsive rape scene. It was not the r-rating that made the Watchmen story a mature story for adults YOU DUMB FUCK.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    killik

    by Laserhead

    The only ignorance is displayed in knee-jerk freak outs like the one above. I'm a professional artist; make my living and support my family with my writing. I can't see anything morally wrong with what DC is doing, ESPECIALLY as these 'creations' are Moore's, a person who has historically taken other creator's works and re-purposed them without permission. Nobody made Moore make Watchmen at DC, nobody made him take the deals he took. Moore is only the co-creator, after all. What does the other co-creator, Dave Gibbons, think? He's totally supportive. And let's remember that Moore's "original creations" were the Charlton heroes in different costumes. So he wants definitive ownership of characters that were based on established characters (the Charlton heroes).

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    laserhead

    by TheDean

    How is it you were able to produce an argument without cursing? It really doesn't make much sense without exclamation points, either. Could you please try rewriting this? Seriously, though...well said. I sincerely wish Moore would have been able to use the Charlton characters as he originally intended, solely because we would have been able to avoid this ridiculously hostile yelling match.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Killik's being intentionally fatuous as per usual

    by Autodidact

    Why u mad Killik.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    i am simply flabbergasted that some people think..

    by Poptard_JD

    that a company that makes money producing comic books would produce comic books in order to make money. such balderdashery, the likes of which I've never heard!

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Was Al Paid Well For His Comic Work? Yes!

    by Buzz Maverik

    He writes comics for money, this faux-naif, artiste crap isn't cute once yer past undergrad age.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I Was Thinking About Jaka's Excellent Al Defense

    by Buzz Maverik

    The only fault lies in the volume of the perv stuff, the frequency. Once, twice, yer pushing the edge of an artform. Years of it: it's yer thang. Is was, will always be a great writer. But he's gone to the well (or in Al's case the cross roads) with what I will lumpingly refer to as the perv stuff too many times. You go to those crossroads, you never know if something is going to come back with you. My bigger problem was sort of the Peter David thing: by the time LOST GIRLS came out it, I was like: Okay, Al, I get it, you read a bunch of old books. That said, why would I want to read a WATCHMEN prequel? It was a unique work, I read the good version, I'd rather read the next groundbreaking work ... which doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Artistes

    by Buzz Maverik

    I love Calvin and Hobbes but you realize that if Bill Watterson had licensed his stuff, we wouldn't have Calvin pissing in the corner of every redneck's pickup truck rear window. Man, I ever create something that generates marketing interest, I'm going to make the Angry Birds look obscure. Then, I'll spend a lot of time counting my money.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Someone finally remembered the Charlton characters

    by Michael Katz

    I didn't see a need to do Watchmen prequels because all of the characters were based on Charlton characters. When the Peacemaker joined the DC universe he was turned into a gun nut. Sound familiar? At one point Blue Beetle Ted Kord got fat and gave up superheroing but later came out of retirement. Sound familiar? The current incarnation of Captain Atom is a nuclear hero who is losing his humanity. Sound familiar? The Watchmen were adaptations of Charlton heroes, and now some DC heroes are adaptations of Watchmen, and next some Watchmen prequels will be adaptations of DC heroes. Why can't they just turn that talent loose on some of the lamer new 52 titles? My pull list gets smaller every week and I'm a diehard DC fan first. Fix what's broken first.

  • Feb. 2, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    HAHA

    by Joenathan

    I love it when some stupid shit fanboy freaks out. Fuck Alan Moore, the gross old has been perv. Fuck him right up his pedobear ass.

  • Feb. 3, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    @ Sonny.

    by 3774

    I never felt connected to all the wild praise behind Killing Joke either. As much of an off-and-on experience I've had with Batman over a lot of years, Joker's unexplained psychotic behavior often unnerved me. Explaining it drained most of the dark mystery out of him for me, and turning him into a character of sympathy rather than an unexplained force of fear, while 'destabilizing' Batman, just seemed all wrong. I avoid the whole Moore thing, because what else can be said. Although he came up with the idea to stuff Barbara in the fridge, Wein gave the go-ahead to 'cripple the bitch'. The fact that she was allowed to crawl back out of it doesn't change anything, and Moore will keep doing what he does with female characters.

  • Feb. 3, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    More Moore

    by Laserhead

    Moore: "There is no sequel to Moby Dick." World: "And yet you put Ishmael in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen." Re: Moore's violence toward women; it's bent, and I believe it at least generated from a place of genuine horror and revulsion, but yeah... it's been going on for so long... Always thought it very telling that Moore's first wife left him for her lover, who'd been living with them and their daughter for years. It's not hard to imagine some liberated lifestyle of total hippie freedom that took an ugly turn around middle age and maybe bloomed into a kind of resentment he'd never acknowledged. I'm fictionalizing here, of course. I just wonder about it idly, the same way I sometimes wonder what's really up with Tom Cruise.

  • Feb. 4, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    The Death and Return Of Superman: Hilarious Video, seriously

    by Poptard_JD

    written and directed by the writer of Chronicle and features Simon Pegg, Mandy Moore and Elijah Wood: http://www.poptardsgo.com/?p=3166

  • Feb. 4, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Very neato!

    by 3774

    And no worries, JD. I deleted the friend request I sent after the third day. I can take a hint.

  • Feb. 5, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    a-buh?

    by Poptard_JD

    you sent me a request? where? facebook? i didn't see it...OR I didn't know who you were since I'm assuming your real name ISN'T Pink_Apocalypse. ;)

  • Feb. 5, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    No no no.

    by 3774

    I sent a friend request and voice message to your Xbox profile. You kept logging in to watch Netflix each day and ignoring it, or apparently not noticing it. I probably got lost in throngs of adoring fans. Forget it. You should repost this Superman video link on the next comics talkback. This thread is dead, and people need to see it if they haven't. It's a great find. I like the Chronicle director's first youtube effort also. Who knew there was that kind of gold on there?