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HARRISON FORD YOU WEENIE!!!!!
Goddamn it! Just when I thought my favorite childhood actor was finally going to get a role that he could actually create a new performance for, the friggin... ARGH!
Variety just posted on the Yahoo/Reuters/Newsite a story about how Harrison Ford has bolted from TRAFFIC, the Steven Soderbergh film that Moriarty wrote a love sonnet about yesterday!!!
Now, WHY? According to the article, which sources Harrison's long time agent Pat McQueeny, it's to do a 'yet to be determined' action film.
Now, in the Talk Back of Moriarty's piece there was a Talk Backer named ZoeGirly that wanted to know why Moriarty has been so tough on Harrison Ford.
It's because of things EXACTLY LIKE THIS!
Now, we don't know for sure what his next project is for sure. It could be SUM OF ALL FEARS or it could even be INDIANA JONES 4, afterall... Spielberg dropped out of HARRY POTTER and at least as far as anyone knows isn't 100% on either AI or MINORITY REPORT. But Whatever Harrison Ford ACTION film he chooses. THIS IS THE WRONG CHOICE.
Playing Jack Ryan.... again. Or even Indiana Jones, which I dearly love... Pales to me at the thought of having Harrison Ford actually performing again at the behest of a director that would push him and a part that would test him further than anything he's done. A chance to become an actor again instead of a fingerpointing conservative role-choosing star.
It's a move like this that just pisses me off to no end. Oh well... so much for hoping Harrison had seen the light.
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rather see ford as indy or ryan than in another movie with anne heche. you know she aint playing on the same ball team!
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Feb 24, 2000 12:12:02 AM CST
Harrison Ford has sucked for a long time now, since before The F
by snapperhead71
I can't remember the last time Harrison Ford made a movie I enjoyed. His acting has been so so stiff. Ugh. Air Force One? sucked. Regarding Henry? sucked. Sabrina? sucked. If the Fugitive is worth watching at all, it's for Tommy Lee Jones and his crew (even though he robbed Dicaprio of the oscar that year), and not for the lame assed performance of Ford.
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Every damn time...I feel like Charlie Brown. I think I'm finally gonna be first, when someone pulls the football out from under me!
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Oh... oh, what could have been. There's a scene that comes late in TRAFFIC, when he's been pushed past understanding, when he's just aching to know why his daughter uses drugs, why she's killing herself and destroying her future, and he goes... no, I can't ruin it. All I can say is, WHY?!?! IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AS ICONIC IN ITS OWN WAY AS THE TRAIN CRASH FROM FUGITIVE!!! Oh, well, stick a fork in Harrison and flip him over. He's done.
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Yer right, Harry. Aint it sad to see yer favorite actors get sucked under that Hollywood slime? I loved Ford in the "Indiana Jones" series. "Star Wars" goes without saying. NOW it seems he wants to do these WIMPY roles that lie like a flaccid noodle. Nice to see someone flush their status down the toilet...
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C'mon, you all know that if Harrison Ford did this film he would have taken over and had the story rewritten to his specifications. He's a businessman who could give a fuck about the vision of a director or writer. He makes by the numbers personally tailored Harrison Ford films that have proven commercialy successful, regardless of how his changes may throw out logic or depth. Some big name actors will occasionally take a cut in salary and put themselves in the hands of talented directors or writers in order to try to make a quality film every now and then regardless of box office gross, but don't expect Harrison Ford to do that any time soon.
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you have to be "first" that is so frickin stupid. It is superficial just like fords grandpa ass for not takin this role. I hate you all and indy 4 would make me feel better
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..."Random Hearts" was the first Harrison Ford movie I actually walked out of; that deadly dull afterthought of a film proved to me that "Six Days, Seven Nights" was not an abberation but in fact a trend for Mssr. Ford. Imagine that: In 1999, there were Harrison Ford films that could be WALKED OUT OF. How inconceivable would that have been just ten years ago?
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Feb 24, 2000 12:41:42 AM CST
Harrison... please do some roles that your fans will go see... p
by tom veil
I know that he needs to pay his bills and all, but I'm sure he can choose better stuff than we've been seeing... I mean come on... this is Harrison fucking Ford here. We love this guy and know he's awesome and capable of so much more. He's one of the only actors I know of that both women, as well as men, love and adore.
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We today mourn the passing of Harrison Ford. Actor, Carpenter and Father. After a long illness through much of the nineties Variety announced his passing yesterday. Dr Sodenburgh of the Out of Sight Nose and Throat Clinic in LA had attempted radical surgery early in the week but to no avail. Ford will mostly be remembered for battered fedora's, waistcoats and wookies, and cameos in Vietnam jungle epics. A whole generation mourn the passing of their childhood screen hero.
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If it's one last Indy then I don't mind, but in reality Traffik isn't going to keep him away from that one last action flick. It'll take him six maybe nine weeks. And it'll give him some fucking credibility. Harrison is like a second dad to me. I'm one of the few that actually want to see him make a final Indiana Jones but what the fuck is he doing wasting time on Random Hearts when he could've played Nick Nolte's role in Thin Red Line..? Come on - make Traffik and ask Spielberg to hold on for another month...
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to the above poster, this isn't proof that he's a weenie, but rather evidence to back up what has previously been postulated on here: that Harrison Ford is not interested in the craft, let alone art of acting, and won't do a film that contains a performance requiring either. Whatever his reason for leaving the Traffic, that doesn't excuse 2 decades of uninteresting acting. Good characters? Sometimes. Icon? Unfortunately. Actor? I hesitate to even use the word. The fact that the AFI gave him a lifetime achievement award, which in itself is proof of how $$ matter with this organization, is a validation of the fact that his career is, for all practical purposes, over. Sleepwalk gently into the night, Cardboard Man. As much as I hate Charlton Heston, at least he cares enough to emote.
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After all this don't fucking tell me he's gonna do Sum of All Fears...sweet christ......
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Hmmm, no and if we caused offence then i am truely sorry. Its just a shame that he has become the professional whore he has. But then again was he anything but, was it just the two characters that were given to him that elevated him to the position he is in rather than any sense of real craft. Surely the strength of some of these TKBK's indicates what he meant to our generation and our frustration at him pissing it up the wall.
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DMFC, that is heartfelt, but unfortunately Random Hearts is a crime against humanity. Punishment must follow. It is a crime because it is directed by a man who once made good movies, and the lead is a man who once was the coolest hero of them all. I hope that I never see such a bad, disgusting, trying to be conservatively cute, listless, directionless movie again. I had to pay for it, too, all because my friend thought it had action elements, fooled by the trailer and the presence of the former cool actor. I sincerely hope that this is the rock bottom.
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Harry, listen to yourself for a second. Would you make a career descion based on Harrison Ford's opinion on wether it was right or wrong? Of course not. Your disappointment and opinion on the matter are duely noted, but do you really think YOU know what is best for Harrison Ford and his career? Let him make his own descions, he's done alright so far, don't you think? What if the internet had been around in 1977 and Harrison took the advice of some dude's websight and DIDN'T do Star Wars? Your opinion is your opinion, and that's fine. But don't say that whatever choice Mr. Ford makes is the wrong one if that choice doesn't include TRAFFIC. That's not only highly selfish on your part, but it's a little big headed to.
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Harrison Ford is a hero of mine. I won't hate him for the work he's been doing of late. He's a professional. If studios want to pay him the amounts they do, then he's got a right to accept them. And of course he fucking can act. He can act very well indeed - Witness. He's a top chap. And those of you attacking him right now - how many of you love Star Wars?
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Talkbackers - Be happy!
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Take a powder, Harry, and go have a lie down. You're clearly overwrought and it's affecting your judgment. After that I suggest you issue a retraction, along with an apology to Harrison Ford. You've plainly fallen desperately in love with a movie--or rather potential movie (since the thing has yet to be committed to celluloid)--and Ford's "jilting" of it has made you see red.
Fans may think they "own" a movie star, and he'd better listen to them "or else". They may even think they know better than he does what he should be doing with his career. The plain fact of the matter is, though, that the stars have as much right to make their own choices as to what they want to do with their lives as the rest of us. If you have no great hankering to have total strangers start badgering you on streets or the Net as to the right way to run your life (and berating you when they think you've blundered) then why isn't Harrison Ford entitled to the same consideration? Certainly he does not deserve to be bad mouthed in a public forum by an overwrought fan simply because the fan, in the heat of the moment, has allowed emotion to get the better of him and lashed out, spoilt-child-fashion, with a (frankly) childish insult.
Or to put the matter in somewhat different fashion, in some ways those comments of your reminded me of Annie Wilkes in _Misery_. Like you and Harrison Ford, the Number One Fan of Paul Sheldon had also decided she knew better than he did what he ought to be doing with his career. -
Hey Shade, I understand your take on Harrison Ford's role choices, and that in the end if he wants to be the clear cut good guy, fighting against the well defined baddies every film, then so be it. What I think Harry is trying to get at is that there is plenty of time in a year to act in 2-3 films. With the recent releases of Mr. Ford's, I think the talkbackers are trying to express their desire to see at least one of his next films be a slightly different take on his recent roles. If he wanted to make Sum of All Fears, Indiana Jones, AND Traffick over the next 1-2 years, I don't think to many people would be complaining. If you are a Ford fan, would you really mind if he made those three movies as his next?
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Long time reader, first time writer...here's the deal:
You all have really enjoyed those classic Ford hero films. He's got a great hero personality, charm and wit. Lately he did a few new things eg. 6days7nights and Random Hearts, where he a more "realistic character". This was him giving new performances and going in new directions and I remember you all bithcing about those roles. And if he does go in more directions with more different characters you WILL bitch again. I enjoyed the roles and performances but afterwards it was nothing like coming out of a cinema after seeing Harrison Ford beat the bad guys and save the day. There's a word for that.....Entertainment and you know you love it and will always come back for more. The man can be a great actor and he can be a cool hero!
So ask yourselves, and think about it before hissing away, what do you want to see him do?
You might whinge about him doing another action hero film, but you're going to be entertained!
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Ford Has been is some of the greatest movies of all time, I'm a fan. If he makes Indy4 I'll be very happy.
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The description of TRAFFIC had me enthused, too, and like most people who admired Ford in MOSQUITO COAST, I am disappointed that he seems content to make conservative choices. However...we are not the folks who imprison well-known actors in roles that are stereotypical for them. NOBODY went to see Clint Eastwood's performance as John Huston in WHITE HUNTER, BLACK HEART, which I consider his best film (much better than UNFORGIVEN); NOBODY went to see Steve McQueen in his adaptation on Ibsen's AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE (not great, but a demonstration that he had a wider range than many folks preesumed); almost nobody went to see Ford in MOSQUITO COAST (where he was never better, although most movie fans (and many critics!) complained that, oooh, he was so unlikeable, therefore it must be a bad movie). I am disappointed that Ford, who made five or six of the ten most successful movies of all time, isn't going to lend his name to a project that sounds so challenging. But it would probably be one of his flops, leading to lots of pundits calling the film a "failure". (With somebody like Pacino in the role, it will probably still be a failure; look at the top ten each weekend and you'll get as depressed about the taste of the American people as I do. DEUCE BIGELOW, MALE GIGOLO, making more money than THE INSIDER and BEING JOHN MALKOVICH combined? Pfui!) I hope the movie gets made; from the description, it sounds terrific. I will even be sorry Ford was not in it. But as far as ticketbuying criteria go, you and I and anybody else who values content and artistry and experimentation and the taking of chances...are absolutely in the minority...
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Harrison Ford made love to your childhood whilst the omnipotent George Lucas raped your youth in the spacious love nest of Skywalker Ranch. So what, pray tell, did the others do??? Did Carrie Fisher provoke the first early morning sticky stuff exeperience??? Was it Mark Hamill who introduced little DMFC to the pleasures of merciless Bondage and the dominatrix that lies within? Did Chewbacca provide your early experiments with Beastiality?? And as for Vadar....his was the most useful and cherished lesson. He showed you how to polish your own helmet.
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Then again, after a decade of mediocrity, why am I bothered? Because we all have hope that our favorite performers do projects that envigorate us. Nothing wrong with that. Sounds like this could have been the best thing he's done since...??? The only thing that would be interesting than this would be Indy 4, but again, why set up hopes for disappointment. Much like Episode 2. At least there's American Beauty, Magnolia, and Being John Malkavich.
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I recently ordered this from the Statesss in the widescreen giftseet pack, and remembered how enjoyable and entertaining the films are. When it comes to Entertainment it's on par with Toy Story 2, just flawless fun!!!
I'm sure when they do Indy 4 it will be smashing!
So what this film I've heard about: What lies beneath??? Zemekis and Ford....sounds promising! What's it about? -
CONSTIPATED MANtm face...oh wait, I think that encompasses the other three.
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Sounds like Traffic is just a little too hot for Ford to handle. He's notoriously tight-lipped anyway, and something that controversial would demand that he answer a lot of questions about his personal beliefs on the issues raised. Maybe he just doesn't feel like dealing with it. Maybe he even disagrees with the point of view of the story. Bottom line is, it's his decision.
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...about what Harry Knowles thinks of his career decisions.
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Mine's at 7:23 am every morning and, like you, no one pays me 20 mil. for it. Nonetheless, I consider my regularity to be reward enough.
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Han Solo was awesome, Indy was awesome, Harrison ford is a rich old man who lives in the wilderness and doesnt give a rats ass about anything and why should he. You people dont love him, you love the CHARACTERS he's played. Although he'd get a kick out of being indy again, he really doesnt give a crap, its old news, 15 years old most of it. been there done that. he's some guy. seen interviews with him? its like hes on valume permanently. I worship indy and han, but harrison ford is just some strange guy who's getting older and stranger. indy 4 would be fun, beyond that, who gives a crap.
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I'm glad he dropped out. Traffic sounds like a movie for two groups of people: 1) those who think the Lifetime Channel is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and 2) those who love thier stash. What's wrong with you people? You actually LIKE this idea of a film? Maybe I was wrong, but the pot pipe away and get back to the comic books.
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The above quote is from one of my favorite movies, My Favorite Year. It describes Harrison Ford to a tee. He's never been a great actor, he's a graet movie star. He's John Wayne, he's Gary Cooper. He's tried acting, and has for the most part failed. It's okay, Harrison, make your action flick, and laugh all the way to the bank.
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I agreed with much of Shade's post, but have to agree that nothing can excuse the last couple movies - if Ford is a choosy actor who selectively picks great "Heroic" roles, he needs to polish up his selection criteria. I will not disparage his ability - he's without doubt one of the greats of my lifetime. I don't require "safe" or "risky" roles, just good movies - that's not asking too much is it?
As for DMFC - so self deprecation and kindness is your return strategy, eh? Good enough. I agree with you that this place is often randomly nasty. I myself have gotten caught up in how cleverly mean (in my own estimation) I could be to some clueless posters here in the past. So I'm with you - we should reserve the flames for the truly rude and obnoxious. Point taken on the constructive criticism. -
Somebody asked "So, are you guys mad because Harrison is just not in the same quality Harrison Ford movies he used to be in, or do you seriously expect him to be Johnny Depp?" With me it's obviously the former case: he's been in pretty damn pathetic movies in the nineties. Fugitive was entertaining. Then what happened? HF is HF, the movies around him have gone to hell.
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I understand your frustration. However, you have to understand Ford's, as well. Every time he does a role that's a stretch, be it "Mosquito Coast" or "Sabrina,"
the movie tanks. Now, sure, he has more money than he can ever spend, but look at it this way. He's the MOST POPULAR ACTOR EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE MEDIUM. If it were your title, you'd want to hang on to it, too, especially if you were closing in on 60.
Of course, it's also possible that the departure had to do with
"creative differences," seein' as how Ford was making movies when Soderbergh was in diapers and all.
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Feb 24, 2000 7:41:27 AM CST
Well, well, lookee what the cat dragged in. (Alternate title:
by mr.grumpy
Now, I'm often resorted to use the tool of the analogy to get through to the thick-headed fanboys on this site, and I shall do it again. I have 2 friends (more actually, but 2 related to this story) that each have a girlfriend. Both act extremely gay in regards to this relationship (not homosexual gay, but more like Jeff Goldblum gay). One of which is in denial, and tries to defend his actions while trashing the other friend. The other friend jokes around, says he's a shadow of his former-self, he's become his own worst enemy, and a steady barrage of other cliches. Now the question is, which one is better? I put forth that the latter is the lesser of the two, because he is aware of his ailment and chooses not to treat it. Relating this to DMFC, he is obviously a dorky fanboy as evidenced by his exclusive knowledge of fanboy related material. "How do I solve this problem?" he asks. "Ahhhhh! SELF-DEPRECATING HUMOR WILL MAKE ME LOOK COOL! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS BEFORE!!!" So, he writes a harmless little diddy with some good one-liners, pokes some fun at himself, and comes off thinking that his crap don't stink. Let me assure you DMFC, you're crap does indeed stink. Oh yeah, BigLarz had a post last night, but it was too stupid to even comment on. DMFC, you may have attracted the commoners with your post, but the nobles still sit on my side of the table, so to speak. Sorry if that didn't make any sense, I was trying to translate into fanboy, and that's the closest I can get. Harrison Ford rules, even though he's a fanboys wet dream. Suck it.
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Ford needs to work with a good director in their prime. He had Lucas for Star Wars and Spielberg for Indy, Ridley Scott (coming off of Alien) for Blade Runner, Peter Weir for Witness and Mosquito Coast (as far as I'm concerend Weir is incapable of making a tuly bad movie...A very competent director), Andrew Davis (coming off of Under Seige) for the Fugitive...And so on. The man just needs to work with a quality, story-driven director to get back on track again: Soderbergh, Weir, Curtis Hanson, Zemeckis...They're all very reliable as far as I can tell. Hell, I'll even take yet another Alan Pakula based Harrison Ford flick (Presumed Innocent was okay in my book).
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Your post reminds me of my days in boarding school, whence boys, or, young men rather, would assert their power and influence with a bit of a bugger. As it was the thing to do, I'm sure there will be not a second thought given to the fact that I myself took down the odd recalcitrant chap, now and again. Alas, that was then, this is now, though things haven't changed much. Here recently a Talk Backer going by the coarse handle of Dorkus Malorkus surrendered to me his masculinity via e-mail. You see, Im now here thinking of a time when I thought your posts, although juvenile, retained a modicum of dignity; for in them you challenged, however ignorantly, most of the "irony" in danmaunzfanclub's posts. This was in fact not to last. In this sort of conflict, one of two paths are chosen: the lesser intellect either resorts to physical(read:viral) violence or capitulates (as you have). Well done then ,old boy. A word of advice? As you prompt yourself for that sturdiest of stuffings, keep fresh in mind the 'good ole days', and try to forget that sheepish feeling manifesting itself on your face after posting.
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As cool as Traffic sounds, i've been waiting 11 years and counting for a 4th Indy film. Although if its another shit Jack Ryan film THEN I will be very upset.
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I was on your soccer team in high school, too. Hey, long time no see. Remember that weekend after we lost yet another game, when your daddy tried to cheer us up? He painted his face like a maximum-security prison whore and blew us all, one after the other. I was like tenth or something and could barely stay hard by the time he got to me because his face was a real mess but I closed my eyes, pretended it was your mom and when I finally unloaded, his chin stubble grazed my sack and nearly short-circuited my damn orgasm. What an asshole! Stupid jerk! I got back at him though; next time we lost I waited in the other line and when it was my turn I put Tabasco on me before I poked his back door. Ha ha! Boy did he squeal! (Tabasco is a registered trademark of McIlhenny Co. Please use with caution.) Anyway, good to hear from you again. How are the folks? BTW: I was SO looking forward to Ford as drug czar but it's a great role for some other lucky old timer.
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WILL you folks stop whining about everything. Their only movies...GOD!
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Y'all are loony. Screw Traffic, I don't want to see Harrison Ford, Indie Star, I want to see Harrison Ford for what he is, a Blockbuster Movie Star in Indy 4.
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These talkback's are annoying me. Everyone's always negative about everything! What gives? Fuck traffic....you guys know he's a great actor....all around, and you all know you love the indy films. And if he ends up doing that first ...good! He's getting old, and we all know he's gotta do it now. IF he doesn't...well that doesn't rule out another action movie. Maybe he just wants to put out another blockbuster action movie while he still can. Jack Ryan nad Indy are two of my favorite movie persona's of all-time! You know he's a good actor. Sure, his last few movie's blew...but the movies blew...not his acting. Don't downplay him. Let him do what he wants (please be indy).
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Harrison Ford is one of the most beloved, most recognizable, and most succesful actors in recent history. He has provided all of you with hours of enjoyment and entertainment. He has been an important part of some of the most popular films of all time. And now you're all getting your panties in a twist because, "He's not doing the movie that I want him to do". Well, boo-fucking-hoo. If you were as talented and influential as Harrison Ford you too would be able to pick and choose your roles as you saw fit. I say, let him do whatever he wants to do. Whatever it is it will be great. I will definitely shell out 8 bucks to see it, and I'm willing to bet that all of you will too. Goddamn cry-babies...
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I think everyone is missing Harry's point. It isn't about turning down Traffic specifically...it's about the sad realization that Harrison Ford does NOT seem to enjoy what he does. He is an actor who works once a year for a $20 million paycheck. Nothing more. He does not seem to show any interest in pushing himself or taking on films that will SATISFY his audience or his career. He's content to collect the check and sleepwalk through whatever bullshit production can afford to pay his salary. He's a cardboard cut out of the Harrison Ford that got everybody all fired up in their childhoods and I think it lets the air out of a lot of balloons to realize that as much we love the work that Harrison Ford does...he couldn't care less about it. And the saddest part is that it shows. He acts bored and he's a boring actor. There's no fire to his performances. We should all feel miserable that the first opportunity that Harrison Ford has had to really juice up his career (and our enjoyment of his films) has been turned down. Damn shame.
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... I'm sure it will be the "safe" one. Face it, the guy doesn't like to take chances anymore.
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Why should I consider Ford's feelings, when he clearly has so little regard for Mr. Soderberg's? I gotta tell you, folks, Steven has been crying his eyes out since that bastard left him in the lurch yesterday, and he's seriously considering scrapping the whole venture altogether. Furthermore, he just might stop making movies completely, and lend his support to the confused children of Democratic Kampuchea. I, for one, can't blame him. If this is the way $20 million movie stars are going to behave, why even bother? Life's too short for this nonsense.
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I'm sorry, but Harrison Ford, or Mr. Ford to all you doubters... may be a role-chooser but at least he has ALWAYS been. He never put up with LESS than great and he got the roles he wanted. He started humble and he still is. He just deserves more respect than all of this. Do yourselves a favor and read the biography of him by People Magazine in their BIOGRAPHY series. You've got to understand the Harrison is the last great movie actor, I truly believe. He can assume ANY character he wishes, and he DOES... If you don't believe me... just watch his movies again... and learn to understand what it is to BE... Harrison Ford.
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I used to be a HUGE HF fan. But his status as a "movie star" is slipping and he is in a panic.
Here is my 2 cents worth of ADVICE. He needs to stop taking himself too seriously, get a normal haircut and get rid of the ear ring(what statement is he trying to make with that). Show us you can act again by taking a supporting role in a well written movie.
Question....Can anybody name a movie where Harrison Ford wasn't the lead.
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Feb 24, 2000 9:51:14 AM CST
Harry, lighten the fuck up... if you want that movie to be made.
by prajadhipok
I always thought this site was like the CNN of internet movie news, but then again CNN correspondents DO NOT give personal opinion on a subject. Harry, leave the guy alone... so what if he doesn't do this movie? my god is it the end of the fucking world if Harrison Ford doesn't do a good movie?
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Harrison Ford doesn't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about him. He has more money than he knows what to do with and can get any script he wants, too. Shit, if I were him, I'd do crap like "Snow Day" and "The Matrix" just so I can pay my gardener. It'll all come out in the wash though. When he's 80 and blew all his money on whores and crack, he'll be begging to do Han Solo in Episode 7-9.
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Nothing will surprise me after that shit flick. I can appreciate him wanting to dabble a little in the sappy love movies... BUT THAT
MOVIE WAS TERRIBLE! I lost a huge amount of respect for him after that and it'll take A TON of Indy's and/or Jack Ryan's to get it
back.
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Just to set the record straight Harrison Ford live in Wyoming not in Montana. How do I know this? Well I live very close to Jackson Hole Wyoming and one day my friends And I were hanging out there and we ran into a guy who said he knew where Harrison lived. we said bullshit and to prove it to us we drove out to his house and up his driveway and sure enough there he was hanging out in the front yard. He asked if could help us and my friend said "no we just wanted to see if you really lived here." He said "yep I sure do goodbye." and then we left. I am just glad he did not give us the finger of doom or we would have been destroyed by his righteous indignation!
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hated to leave the question unanswered... Yes we can constructively criticize anyone, isn't that more laudable than simply shouting "He frickin' sucks ass.." Also - let me be clear - When I say "reserve the flames for the truly obnoxious" DFMC has certainly been there before. But this site has been overly nasty lately, so I am trying to avoid all forms of altercation. As for the "Fanboy writing level" of talkbacks, what do people expect in these pathetic little windows? I think few people shoot for Shakespeare in these posts.
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Feb 24, 2000 11:01:50 AM CST
Every actor has his/her "I do the same damn character" spree...
by all thumbs
...and Ford has done it for a long time. Maybe he thought he was going against that spree with "Random Hearts". It wasn't just that he was doing the same character...it was a shitty movie. Now, he knows he's in trouble with the fans and ops for a "safe" action flick instead of Soderbergh's contraversial "Traffic(k?)". And now the backlash begins. HARRISON, change your mind!!! Also, in the Variety article it said that Catherine Zeta-Jones' involvement is not finalized. Dammit, I was getting excited with having her pregnancy worked into the script. I think it would be the first role where people see some true acting talent. This is going to be a bad day, I think.***BTW, Sam I Am, how can you say that John Wayne was a "movie star" and not a great actor? Have you ever seen "Stagecoach" or "The Searchers"? Watch them and then come back and tell me he's not an actor.
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Harrison Ford is probably the greatest actor in film. You jackasses should sit back and shut up. Just because he's doing something that a majority of the world would want to see him do(i.e, an Action Flick...Indy4, another Ryan role ::prays::) What he's not doing some artsy flick that is seen in 2 theaters across the US your pissed. You suck! Go rent Copland and watch the Fatassed Sly act like an idiot. You people make me wanna fucking spend my day shitting the crap you say on the toliet. I'm usually someone who tries to be nice and see reason, but you people just find ways to say bad things about people and I'm so FUCKING SICK OF IT! Harrison Ford is amazing. George Lucas is God, and JarJar Binks...well...ok ya got me there, BUT FUCK OFF!
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Feb 24, 2000 11:31:59 AM CST
Harrison Ford You Weenie -- the next movie from the people who b
by darth delicious
Lighten up people. Don't you think that maybe Harrison Ford enjoys the type of roles that he takes. The man has plenty of money and can chose things that he enjoys. Why take a role that doesn't really interest him just because you fanboys want to see him stretch his acting chops.
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Ford IS a weenie. I'm tired of his "suit" roles. I never liked his Jack Ryan movies as I still think Alec Baldwin was the best one in that role. Ford hasn't made a decent picture since the Fugitive ... and even then ... it wasn't much of a stretch for him. It was Tommy Lee Jones movie, not his.
I'm ready to write the man off as a has-been, which is too bad for the man who was Han Solo and Indiana Jones and who did Blade Runner and Witness. He could have been bigger than John Wayne and he wasted it away trying to be Bogart. I think we should send a message to him on his next "action" movie and stay away in droves. -
Ok granted he has A HUGE penis but i'm actually talking about the actor, Tommy Lee Jones. HF carried the fugitive. Again he didn't get the credit he deserves. Tommy Lee (Jones) was good yes but winning the oscar for it?????
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Again I note the bi-polar charcteristic of the TB community. Half want Harrison Ford to keep doing the same pictures he's been doing lately (and making about a gazillion dollars each time). Others want him to challenge himself as an artist and validate the promise he showed in Mosquito Coast, Witness and Blade Runner. WHY NOT BOTH? Can't be done. Look at he career of Burt Lancaster. He made popular entertainments for 50 years and also made less well-known films that were pure artistic endeavors. See The Rose Tattoo, Local Hero or Atlantic City as examples.
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Well, this is certainly a big hit for all of us Art house fans. Trying to lure in big stars to smaller movies is hard in these days, the last film to attract such huge stars to a small film being the Tarentino Opus Pulp Fiction. I think that "Traffik" could have helped out Ford alot who has 2 bombs in a row behind him (maybe 6 days, 7 nights wasn't a bomb, but to a guy like Ford it sure is). Nobody knew George Clooney could act till Soghnaberg (sorry about the spelling) got a hold of him, and he again proved how a good director (in this case David O. Russel, who was a thousand times better than the chick who directed the Cider House Rules [heck, I'd take Jane Capion and Holy Smoke over rules if your gonna make it a gender thing]) can make a great performance, this time in "Three Kings" (a vastly under-rated film). I only hope this doesn't mean Kevin Costner will drop out of the smaller "3000 miles to Graceland" with Kurt Warner.
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Hey, maybe he decided not to do it becouse the script sucks. Which is pretty much what I thought of the plot.
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What's with all this "don't you care about people's feelings" and "Harrison doesn't base his career decision on what Harry Knowles thinks" crap? Since when do we ever refrain from bashing someone we think is an idiot. I guess it's totally okay to tear Ben Affleck to shreds every time his name comes up in an article, or George Lucas for that matter. As far as I'm concerned, Lucas' ratio of good productions to bad is around the same as Ford. No celebrity looks on here to get career advice, that's for sure. But why all the kneejerk oversensitive reactions to criticism of Ford. I'm sorry to tell you, but if the President of the United States isn't off-limits when it comes to commentary or comedy, either is Harrison. The people on here who appear to have been hypnotized into thinking Ford is some kind of thespian for the ages need to get deprogrammed. You are delusional fools who know NOTHING about the craft of acting. How much respect does Ford have with the actors in the film community? John Wayne and Gary Cooper were given Oscars by their contemporaries for doing roles that challenged the way they were perceived. Harrison Ford will NEVER, EVER get a best actor award from the academy. Not that you need to win one to validate your talent, but it points out how Big Movie Stars like Cooper, Wayne, Lancaster, Bogart, Gable were still good enough actors to get the golden guy. Ford isn't. He has firmly rooted himself in your mind by playing the trilogy of fanboy roles (Indy, Han, Deckard) and now is automatically cool whenever he is on screen. That's a joke, and basically equates him with Arnold. He doesn't deserve anymore respect than our body building friend does.
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Get a clue. Comparing Harrison and Arnold is absurd. I lost all respect for your opinion with that one statement. I have never heard of something so ridiculous. That is the reason that I hate these talk back sites because everyone is so quick to bash the actors that the majority of americans love.
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The Oscar should have gone to John Malkovich by every concievable means of reason.
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Feb 24, 2000 1:01:32 PM CST
Harry, don't bull$hit. You know you want to see Ford as Indy ju
by superninja
Harrison Ford proves once again that he's a businessman, and not an actor. Oh well. I'll always have Indy, Solo and Decker.
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'Cause the drinks are overpriced and watered down. It's freakin' bullshit, and Harry knows it! And, if anyone thinks otherwise, I'll kick 'em in the nuts.
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I think that was before the Academy realized he plays the same character in every film.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, what we have here is yet another example of Harry forgetting to let the crack out of his system before he writes these articles. Harison Ford is a grown man, he can make his own decisions about what movies to make or not make all on his own, without help from the peanut gallery. If you are't happy with his choices, DON'T GO SEE HIS MOVIES. IT's as simple as that. and stuff.
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So what is the formula anyway? Why does one actor get an award over another one? Let's see. Emotion + Feeling / 2 * EMC2 + squinty stares - tears/laughter = oscar quotient. And then, whoever has the higher "oscar quotient" gets the award! That makes much more sense...
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Face it -- Hollywood's romance with Mr. Ford is nearing an end. He is no longer considered young, and while he's part of the old vanguard, Harrison's persona is tied into his looks -- that once gorgeous face and body. Ladies loved him, men wanted to be him. His raw sex appeal and charm were his selling points in every film, and it's what made him a star. But that can't last forever, and Mr. Ford has made business decisions in his career that have allowed him to become very rich without necessarily honing his craft. It takes longer for the men in Hollywood than it does for the ladies, but it DOES happen to the men as well. You have to have something to fall back on, and Ford either feels he doesn't belong, or he is in denial. From his choice of projects, I would speculate Harrison is still trying to run with the young bucks, and his attempts to age gracefully as a romantic lead have been PANNED by moviegoers (myself included). Maybe it was poor project choices, maybe it's just not right for him, but whatever it was -- we didn't accept it and now he's going back to what worked for him in the past. Can we really blame him for that? When you're one of the most successful film stars of all time, would you really take a risk that could punish you more than reward you? Sure, Ford could do Traffik -- and become a laughing-stock for trying to "act". If it succeeded, it would've been the second coming, no doubt -- but why would he risk it? If he's never been about the work, why would he attempt it now in the twilight of his career?
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Feb 24, 2000 1:31:22 PM CST
uh, i actually didn't mind 'random hearts'. I'M SORRY! I'M SORRY
by tommy five-tone
well, actually i don't. but my point is, you could see ford occasionally stretching in his role in 'random hearts' and it looked really freakin' difficult for him! For the movie to then be released to a chorus of 'jesus, harrison, that bites!' is probably enough to send him scuttling back to the safety of dreck like 'the sum of all fears' (without exception, tom clancy movies eat a dick). and let's face facts, people, the man's just a wee bit too old to pull off the derring-do 'indy 4' would require. it's time for ford to move into commanding elder statesmen roles that play to his strengths, and 'traffic' looked like it could have fit the bill. who can honestly say this story sounds dull? are you out of your fucking minds? maybe in the hands of some monkey-brained hack it could suck, but you can't deny soderbergh doesn't know his shit. the only way this could even be remotely cooler was if michael mann was directing - that dude turned the potentially lifeless story of 'the insider' into a utterly riveting movie through some masterful technique. i'm betting soderbergh can do something similar, and with ford in the lead it could have been soooooo coooooool. think about it: he gets to be all self-righteous (and point the magic finger a bit) before it all gets turned back on him with a vengeance when his daughter starts sucking the glass dick. two fords for the price of one! fucking hell, ford, here's a terrific opportunity to reclaim some much-needed credibility in a role suited to your particular skills and you blow it off for another $20 million payday in another lame-ass actioner? i think harry's on the money - you ARE a weenie!
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I never want to see Speilburg so AI, that was supposed to be Kubrick's film and let's face it, Speilburg is no Kubrick, and with all the effort and money that would be involved in making movie so complicated as this one, you know he's going to be selling out big time. I know no one was actually talking about AI, but the mention of it's name and Steven's together makes me want to throw up.
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Here's how I see it: the word (according to the Hollywood Reporter) is that Ford dropped Traffic after being honored at the AFI for his action roles. Speilberg drops Potter. Supposedly, Speilberg is supposed to make Minority Report, except Tom Cruise signs with Redford today on HIS new film. So no Minority Report, and Geisha and AI are real long shots. I have a feeling Indy 4 is next.
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Let's go back in time here for a second. In 1998 Harrison Ford made a great fucking movie with Roman Polanski called FRANTIC. American audiences expecting a run-of-the-mill thriller where disappointed in finding instead -- a dark, pressurised, character study that eschewed most generic cliches for real-time frustration and paranoia. The movie bombed. Harrsion Ford never made a movie with an esoteric egocentric, visionary again. Coincidence or was this, combined with the grueling shoot for The Mosquito Coast the final straw for Ford. In the next ten years he made only one film that can even come close to being percieved as a "classic" or even half decent -- THE FUGITIVE. The first Jack Ryan is OK but has dated pretty badly, Clear and Present Danger is a joke, a thinly veiled Chuck Norris movie in both tone and content. LAST CRUSADE is arguably the least interesting INDY movie but that rests more on Lucas and Spielberg's lagging passion. Then we have Regarding Henry, Sabrina, Devil's Own, Six Days, Random Hearts -- all bland pedantic films that kill a couple of hours on video but aren't exactly cherished in many peoples video library's (except a few drooling house wives). Harrison FOrd is a fucking LEGEND because of his iconic roles in STar Wars and Indiana Jones, so legendary in fact, that he can slog through almost a decades worth of crap and come out the other end almost unscathed. Does Ford not realise the power this status gives him?!?! Like Lucas, perhaps he underestimetates the ability this gives him to create art of MYTHICAL proportion. In SABRINA, FOrd decided to waylay his usual hands on approach to whatever film he was in and just let Sidney Pollack "direct" him, that movie turned out to be a flavorless, meandering borefest. Harrison can take his pick of the litter and make pretty much any movie he wants to.... why are people who aren't him better suited to know what movies he would be good in? Because we understand and appreciate what his gargantuan presence can mean in a film, and it looks (judging by the roles he's been choosing and the director's he's been working with) like he doesn't. 20/20 hindsight? Ford is now just in it for the ride to the finish line. I'm just thinking aloud here but, if I where a huge star (haha) I'd go out of my way to make pictures with the greatest director's in the world. To make something interesting and lasting, that would have people checking out as much of my work as possible for generations to come. Just a thought.
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10) Skill saw broke down and has to get it fixed for the next three months. 9) Steven Soderberg tried to make out with him at a party. 8) Now that Catherine Zeta Jones is married to Michael Douglas his chances of fucking her have been drastically reduced (is this why Oliver "fuckbeast" Stone lost her from his picture?). 7) His PROZAK prescription ran out... but then he got it renewed. 6) Ate a moldy bagel and suddenly had an epiphany realising his mythical status, decided to make one more Indy movie for po$terity. 5) Jack Ryan: a name he simply can't resist. 4)Steven Soderberg put him to sleep with his endless stories about making KAFKA and SCHITZOPOLIS. 3) Kick ass spec script for a Sequel to Regarding Henry fell in his lap. 2) Soderberg demanded ford tap his inner child for the role. And the #1 reason Harrison Ford dropped out of Traffic-- The Jungle.
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Mr. Ford wasn't too heroic there, now was he? He was kind of a dish rag if I remember.... But I guess that's Harry's point, 'Working Girl' was 1988 and HF hasn't really taken a risk like that in awhile.
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Before you post a top ten list on AICN, it'd be wise to make sure you're actually funny...
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To me this is GOOD news. I would like to see Mr. Ford do some real acting but not wit6h some artsy fartsy indie flick. He's do for a new action film, the last one was "Air Force One' which was one of the best action films EVER. His last two films where DOA. He really should skip the romantic films. If he's going to do a drama I'd like to see him do something like "Regarding Henry" or his edgy performence in "Mosquito Coast" not some indie film with some bore of a director. All most indie films today are about sex and four letter words. I think the only two directors making great indie films are Quinten Teritino and Kevin Smith.
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Traffic will suck not becase of the stars in it rather it will be rubbish becase the difinitive version has already been made. The TV version cannot be bettered by Hollywood no matter how hard they try, in fact the harder they try the worse it will be.
I am not being anti-American, I only think the big studios cannot make a film on such a subject that will apeal to the avarage movie goer but an independent production with a cast of unknowns would be a much better film.
Harrison Ford as a Hollywoos Star has done the right thing by leaving. If he had stayed then it could damage his career to be associated with such a subject, better an lesser well known actor gets the role and recognition if he does a good job.
P.S. If any one really thinks the Leonado De Capprio deserves an oscar should remember that the Oscars are for the Best Acting (although they don't always get it right), Not JUST for Looking Good to the little Girls and Homosexuals in the audience which is all Leonado De Crappio does. -
Oh Hazza...wherefore doest thou goest? Friggin' into oblivion I fear. Maybe Ford should check out comparable stars like Mel Gibson and Bruce Willis and take note of how they - for good or ill - take on chancy roles, ones that occasionallu surprise. More importantly roles that bring the audience back to an awareness that the star is an actor as well and not just a commodity. Of course a lot of actors of his stature play it safe without getting too much flack - Hanks springs to mind. But most actors start to lose their fan base if their roles aren't the types to make people punch the air in glee at the actor's perceived disdain for cliched Hollywood roles. I mean, everyone likes to see the system bucked a little, even if that only means doing a big budget film with a name director, the subject matter of which is a little risky. So, onthe off chance that HF reads AICN TalkBacks - ha! - Harrison, get with the program. I remember an interview with you during the filming of Mosquito Coast that noted your dedication to your craft and the way you worked at the lines to get them just so. It's clear here that, no matter how many of us long for Indy 4, it would be equally wonderfl to see you pull something out of the hat. And I don't mean the fedora either.
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You can explain over and over again that the reasons youre disappointed in Fords choices is that you actually like the guy and want to see him try to act once in awhile rather than sleep through cardboard roles. They wont understand you cause....people are stupid.
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Maybe he got a cut on his index finger, thus rendering what acting skill he has left useless. (Check out www.smartlink.net/~deej7/finger.htm and you'll see what I mean. One of the funniest Harrison Ford sites I have ever seen.)
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First off, the guy IS a fucking action star. Second, he will make a film in the near future where he is "pushed" as an actor, as Harry so eloquently put it. That's the reason why he signed with UTA, isn't it? So he could get access to hot directors/projects. Does this mean he should sign on to the first one that presents itself? Absolutely not. It is true that Steven Soderbergh is the best director working in the business today. However, an ensemble project such as Traffic may not be the best film in the world for Harrison Ford to do at this juncture. He needs to go over scripts, and more importantly, discuss potential projects with directors. That's what happened with Mr. Tommy Cruise and Magnolia. He met with PTA during shooting on EWS. PTA expanded the Frank T.J. Mackey role for Cruise and presto....indie cred and Oscar nomination. Ford needs to develop a project with a writer/director.....something that speaks to him. Lets all let the man do what he wants because that is precisely what he is going to do anyway!
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to the slack in the squack can you feel the smack? Comin' in low like a dealer high on crack wearin high heels and a smirk like he's the mack Harrison Ford lickin my big black BALLS!
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Not to stray too far from the subject, but I received a free DVD of "Six Days, Seven Nights". Is it worth watching? I need an honest opinion before I spend a couple hours watching this movie.
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Those of you who are true Harrison Ford fans understand why he chooses the roles he does. Those of you who are fans only when he's on top but run away when he's not, don't really deserve addressing except to say that, I hope you are not deserted when you fail to meet the mark.
THIS IS TO ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVEN'T MADE UP THEIR MINDS WHICH SIDE OF THE FORD FENCE THEY ARE ON.
Harrison has the utmost respect for his fans. He doesn't owe us anything except for the best performance that he can give. He doesn't deserve to be torn down when he doesn't meet certain expectations. A certain amount of criticism is expected after all, he is an actor but the tearing down of the man's character is uncalled for. I believe that he honestly tries to bring his best work to the screen. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. In the case of Random Hearts, it didn't quite work. He's not the only one to blame though. The editing needed a lot of help. They held his reactions, for some shots, way too long and for other shots(eg: when he was about to cry), they cut them too short. There was a lot more wrong with that movie than his interpretation of that character.
I, for one, would have loved to have seen Harrison in Traffic. He has proven that he can act, especially in movies like Witness and The Mosquito Coast(MC). When MC was panned, Harrison gave a magazine interview which said, from now on he would do movies which people expected of him (action flicks). He was understandably hurt by the reaction to his trying to do something a bit different. Although, the reaction of the audience was enough to make him think twice before taking chances, he still tries to throw in something different every now and again. Mostly, he gets attacked for it.
I would like to see him do something that would get him an Oscar but, he's not so much into reward for himself as he is into trying to make a film that the audience will enjoy
It takes more courage to put yourself out into this viscious public life and have people criticize your every move than to sit safely behind a computer and criticize someone without walking in his or her shoes.
As for making only one picture per year, Harrison has learned, the hard way, that his family life comes first. He lost his first wife because he hadn't learned that earlier. So, he makes one film per year. He makes his best determination as to which one will keep his fans entertained and him still bankable. There's nothing wrong with that. So, he's made a few wrong choices. Let me know which of you hasn't.
I, for one, hope that he will continue to make action films as long as he can while trying, every once in a while, to enlighten us with a character that will fascinate us and help him grow more as an actor.
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ETNABOB,
If you're a Ford fan, Six Days, Seven Nights is worth watching. It is not worthy of Oscar nomination and it's not the funniest comedy I have ever seen. It's a cute little film and it's worth seeing Harrison's reactions to his circumstances and to see him in a comic role.
I think you'll enjoy it if you go into it with the attitude that it's all in fun. Hope you enjoy it. And if you don't...Hey, it was free.
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Hell, the way things are going hell probally be spiderman or better still he might even beat Arnold Schwarzenegger to the role of Taylor in the new planet of the apes film if burton doesn't cast keaton or maybe not!
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You want Harrison Ford to due what Nick Nolte is doing. A former star (albeit Nolte's was never nearly as bright as Ford's) doing small films that he personally finds interesting, stuff that he can tell his children--While lying on his deathbed--Were unique, visionary and challenging pieces of work that just may border on art. Of course, I could be wrong. I mean who knows? Maybe Nick Nolte decided to change his career trajectory because his star had fallen and couldn't get any of the big roles in Major Hollywood Films...But whatever led him to do what he is doing, I'm grateful. It's as simple as that.
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Normally I don't post, but this is a special occasion for one reason: THIS BLOWS! After reading the praise Moriarty had for the project, I can't believe Ford would bolt. For once I got excited about something the man was doing, but forget it now. I could give a rat's ass about Indy 4 or Sum of All Fears, but "Traffic" really had me going. Too good to be true, I suppose.
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Not to sound like an ultra-fanboy, but I picked up the new Wizard this week because of the sexy cover with Black Widow (I was in the bathroom with it for hours!). But, to digress, who got a half page write up but our old friend Mr. Knowles, sporting what appears to be broken glasses fixed with, um... tape. I was truly surprised Harry was such a powerful figure in Hollywood. I saw that without a trace of sarcasm. The little article gives examples of ways Harry shaped Hollywood. My boy Patrick Sauriol at Corona also got a mention. Off topic, but does anyone else find that picture of Garth at the bottom of DarkHorizons strangely erotic? I'm straight and all, but, well, forget it. DMFC, great to have you back buddy! Your dad was a helluva soccer coach, you should be proud. Mr.Grumpy, even though you hate me I have to acknowledge your genius on this site. DMFC described you as a Todd type of character, where you substitute me for the Iron Giant, and you're mean. But that's cool, I still love ya. Goodnight everybody!
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Especially DMFC, playing with his Marauders buddies, and BigLarz and his stupid comics. I'm gonna go get laid, so I'll cut this short. Suck it.
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...CALM DOWN! Harrison Ford is going to do what's best for Harrison Ford, and that's the most we can expect from him. So he's not going to do Soderberg's film. I think we should just hang on and see what he's coming up with next, and then we'll pass our 'holier-than-thou' judgments on the man. Realistically, he's not worried about what we talkbackers on AICN are going to think, in any case. I think this is one battle that the geekboys cannot win. snoogans
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Gee Harry,
Will you stop insulting everyone ? If Mr Ford's choices in his roles dont please you, what the fuck ! He do it for himself, you dont have any rights of judging the man. You seems as dumb and stupid as the comic book guy from The Simpsons. Please focus on other things than actors, producers or whatever.
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Well, actually it starred Hugo Weaving and Russell Crowe was opposite. It was good, but not THAT good. And what has it to do with Sodaburg?
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I think you meant Kurt russell is co-starring with Kevin costner not Kurt Warner. Idiot!
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Unless you want to be subjected to some lame IDIOT that Harry allowed your email to, do NOT post to these forums. Bad form, Harry. Thanks so much for the security.
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Feb 24, 2000 10:45:00 PM CST
To all the fans who have decided to remain loyal to Harrison For
by j-dizzle
THANK YOU! Harrison Ford was, is, and always will be my favorite actor of all time. There was a talkbacker here who said that Harrison is like a second father to him. Well he definitely has that affect on me too. Not only do I look up to my parents but I also look up to Harrsion Ford, a guy who made Han Solo one of the most memorable characters ever to be seen on the movie screen, do you think Christopher Walken could have done any better? I think not! I believe that Ford can act, he was great in Regarding Henry, as well as Witness. The only films that have ever disappointed me are Six Days/ Seven Nights, The Mosquito Coast, and Air Force One, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they were absolutely crap, bad probably, but not crap. To all you people who have slated Ford, you think you know everything there is to know about movies don't you? You're those type of people who think they can make a blockbuster movie a whole a lot better than all of the greatest moviemakers put together. I apologize for judging you, but this needs to be said! Harry I have a great deal of respect for you, but there are times when you need to give yourself a good kick up the arse, like the time where you gave TPM such a good review when you watched it, but then all of a sudden decided to turn into a TPM basher for absolutely no reason at all! And now you've done it again here! I mean, do any of you "Harrison Ford haters", so to speak, know the guy personally? Of course you don't! But yet here you are deciding what movies he should take and telling him where to go with his career! This is a professional actor we're talking about! Since when did you guys become the great movie experts?! Harrsion Ford has worked in the movie industry a long long time now, in fact he was shooting blasters before most of you people were even born! Like I said, he's a professional actor, who are you, a bunch of people who post messages on a website, to tell Harrsion Ford what work he should take! I would have loved to have seen him in Traffik, but if he feels that this isn't the right movie for him, then so be it, afterall he knows a hell of a lot more about the movie industry than I do!
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It's literary film without ever having been a book. I mean, you've got to admire the movie, just the concept of it: A Blind photographer. But beyond that it's got great execution, acting, story, everything. It's a story about interesting people living their lives without there being a real plot and...I dunno...It's hard to make that entertaining but damn it if Proof doesn't do it in spades. And, you're right. Hugo does get co-billing but Crowe just left more of an impression on me.
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Harry, come on buddy. No part Harrison Ford could play would be better than Indiana Jones. Let Harrison save that artistic crap for when he's too old to play the professor. I want my fix of Indy! I'm "Jones-in'" man. heh heh.
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Christopher Walken.I can't think of a better actor, who's been in more bad films. He deserves to play a great role, and I know he'll bring more to the table than Hrrison Ford.
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Feb 24, 2000 11:45:20 PM CST
I love Harrison Ford - won't watch crap like Random Hearts.
by larry_talbot
Oh Harrison - where did it all go wrong? Remember Witness and The Mosquito Coast? Star Wars and Raiders? Well... Sabrina anyone? Six Days Seven Nights? HF is sadly a conservative bore these days, picking bland bland projects with seeming "appeal" to all. Not so - he now just does shit. What a shame.
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The man is an actor who has made some memorable characters in some great films, but he is a businessman first and formost. My problem with him is that he'll sign on to a film and then take it over with rewrites and changes to custom tailor it to fit the mold of a commercial formulaic paint by the numbers Harrison Ford action movie. Just look at how he butchered the Jack Ryan movies, throwing out storylines as well as logic and reality. One person commented on this site that no one should get upset at the decisions he makes as it's his career to do with as he pleases. Wrong! When he signs on to a film, he takes the ideas and visions of directors and writers and takes over, butchering what they've been trying to make in order to turn it into a safe commercial Harrison Ford sure thing with a big opening weekend. He's allowed to do this, of course, because this is a business after all. Some of his die hard fans have refered to BLADE RUNNER as one of his best. If he made BLADE RUNNER now, he would have had more creative control than Ridley Scott and he would have rewritten it, simplifying it and giving it a clear "hero saves the day" ending with a few quips thrown in for good measure. The man could give a shit about what's good...it's what sells that matters and unless you own personal stock in his success, you shouldn't jump so quickly to defend him.
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Sorry to go off on a tangent - does anyone remember Miracle Mile? Why the fuck do the bastards never re-release these films? Where can I see it? I never got the chance first time round because no fucker bothered to show it - please help!
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In the UK it's showing on satellite tv at the moment
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Harrison Ford rarely ever "acts". And when he does, it's just a slight variation on the monotone charaicature he already uses.
What Robert DeNiro & Gary Oldman do is "acting". They sink into a part and it's virtually unrecognizable what they really are.
I love Harrison Ford movies, but realistically, he is a terrible actor. He doesn't "ACT".
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I'll be on the look out for it...
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This decision shows that Harrison Ford sees himself as a star, not an actor, which was not always the case. As much as I enjoy seeing him in the action roles he could perform in his sleep, I'm sorry to see this reluctance to stretch himself in smaller, less mainstream films. I wish money and age would free him to be a little more daring, but it ain't necessarily so, I guess.
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Darth Bond. In the future interest of chastisement, perhaps I shall refrain from posting; as it seems you have no short hand in the game of embarrassing yourself. Your implication as to my identity coupled with your maudlin ' poke ' at my post furthur serves to illuminate my original contention, perhaps as well almost as I could have myself. As you are what some of us would call a Bismark. You take it, my friend! There shall be no last minute illusions of strength from you! You are stained, sir! Indeed, Infected! Breetches or no, the petticoat shows!
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Methinks Mr. exaggerated-sense-of-self-import Architeuthis dux needs to manage his personal boarding school childhood traumas before lashing out at other children on the playground. Both of his posts are pedantic attempts at portraying an image of intelligence while offering little supporting evidence. I imagine this fop in one of his proverbial childhood face-offs offering to do the homework of his assailant to avoid a deserved pummeling, only to earn his opponent a barely passing grade. I think it more appropriate to call you Duxelles from here forward- after the creamy mushroom tart. Through the shameless braggadocio about your
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Feb 25, 2000 9:56:07 AM CST
To Those that responded to WHAT Supporting Roles has HF played!!
by mr.zuzu
To those that chimed in and listed....Apocalypse Now, American Graffiti, The Conversation, as supporting roles HF has played, you also forgot the "Frisco Kid" with Gene Wilder.
BUT!!!!! You forget those all were movies in the 70's before he became "THE" Harrison Ford. He needs to take a look at Jack Nicholson, Sean Connery, etc, who were considered "Leading Men" or "Movie Stars" and look what they have done in supporting roles. HF needs to stop worrying about being "HARRISON FORD" and start concentrating on being an ACTOR again.
How does he want to be remembered as....A Movie Star or A Great Actor
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Am I the only person in the world who thought that the Indy series took a vertical plunge on the suck-o-meter after Raiders? The low point being Indy 3, with a washed old man who sounds like a drunk Captain Picard and that fag sacred chalice crap ending.
The shit of it is, I'd look forward to a part 4 because nobody knows how to make a goddamn action movie anymore! -
What happened to the HF of old? The 'good old days' of Apocolypse Now, Star Wars, Indy? What the Hell is this 6 Days 7 Nights, Air Force One, bullshit? A little MONEY HUNGRY Harrison? I must concur, now TRAFFIC will kick ass. I know that there are some die hard HF fans, but come on people, he is done.
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Funny Ha Ha. As is usually the case here, more than one poster have misread and misinterpreted my post. It seems there's a common denominator working in Talk Back, and I must say it isn't the highest. The lot of you 'fanboys' have certain banal, and rather unfounded axioms which are used in an attempt to berate with cynical nonchalance. The particular cliche with which you so deftly associated with 'those that dwell here' is most obviously an indicator of your own dubious nature. As not only did you disassociate yourself from the same people you are speaking for but exposed your own experiential ineptitude. If by chance you have gotten the old hole once or twice, you most callously and undeservedly attribute more to the act than is worth. The scope of your character visualization will, I'm sure speak to all of Talk Back of Funny Ha Ha's myopic and most certainly bucolic psyche. I for one, have an excellent memory, and do recall Darth Bond and danmaunzfanclub's little dance. It began with Darth Bond reacting harshly to danmaunzfanclub who would immediately show his superiority by his most astute lashings; this was during the time when danmaunzfanclub had an alias of DanMaunzFightClub, which was of course portentious to his recent inclusions of BigLarz,Brundledan,and MrGrumpy into his onanic posting sessions. Eventually Darth Bond surrendered his position, and began a rather sycophantic relationship to danmaunzfanclub on these boards. As an aside, the relation to boarding school, is one of power maneuvering. Assertion of power over one's inferiors by first intellectual command followed by the physical, which in those days manifested as sexual command. Connect which ever dots you wish, but the fact remains, eventually you too, will become my pet! You have already contradicted your own decision to avoid altercations. In fact your own sense of challenge is only now being aroused, and regardless your rebuttal, you have already succumbed! I ask you now, will you be surprised when you have become my vassal?
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I'm speaking to Sithlord 999 for turning this post into fuckin' Panavision.
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Duxelles, your argument, your mind, and I will wager your flabby arms are incredibly weak and fustian. The history lesson on the various incarnations of DMFC and Darth Bond was fascinating, but frighteningly voyeuristic and indicative of your derivative existence through the exploits of Darth Bond. In truth, it is he who is master and you who is sycophant. Your posts are a lamentation about some misstep Bond made that has fractured your existence
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NOT GUILTY! Just to bring a little of the outside world in here.
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Funny Ha Ha. While your post shows an utterly pessimistic and once again, i must point out, jejune world view, there are one or two bits of substance groveling for response. Your increasingly vicious attacks on an abstract image you have drawn of Architeuthis Dux, show just how poorly you grasp tone. Not to mention, that you thrust yourself rather unwittingly into the path of one such as myself; all in an effort to reap attention.Your emotional and social isolation will be somewhat comforted from here on out. My days are spent socializing and roaming the internet, as I am without the middle class anxiety of work. I have the gift of time, and all that comes with. You though, have only nightmares of future, chock full of labour and self mutilation or of course some ridiculous notion of immortality through art. Alas, it seems you have yet taken to bucking up the castrated Darth Bond, I see you are looking to change masters. Take heed sir, you already await an image of me which you shall not recieve. Score 2 for A.D. Sate that bated breath on your intellectual chastisement, as that will be your sole sense of gratification in this matter.Thank you, digital friends.
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I'd rather ole Harvey Kietel in the role now that Harrison is off to do another bland action movie.
I don't want Costner or Nolte ... I want Kietel. OR ... someone brought up Michael Keaton ... he'd be right for the part too. -
Harrison Ford passed on Traffic because essentially he would be playing Jack Ryan again. He wants to do an indie pay cut "up my status type role" this just isn't it. He is the big loser in this movie and after 6 days... and Random Hearts I don't see him making any more hasty decisions. He needs a supporting role where he can be eccentric or a scene stealer.
I agree it is too bad, I read Traffic last month and felt it was the best script I've read in years, there are images all over it that I still can't shake. Hopefully Soderberg can woe Clooney into it when he is with him on Ocean's 11... -
i do remember Ryalto, though i never cared much to find him missing, the guys arguements were weak and pigheaded. I suppose that puts you and SSZERO on bad terms, as Jim Ryalto is one of his heros, along with Hallenbeck.
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Hey now give the guy a break! Maybe he wants to get another Indy movie out before he turns 80!
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I think you all have to remember that HF has been committed to a large number of movies before Traffic came up. You want to call him a weenie, fine, whatever, but I'd still rather see IJ4 or Sum of All Fears over Traffic.
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Feb 26, 2000 12:31:56 PM CST
Is this the man who wrecked the buffet at the Harold Club this e
by snapperhead71
Who disabled an unmarked police car with a banana?
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I love Harrison Ford for the body of work he has done. I don't think all of his work is great, but the man has demonstrated the ability to step out on a limb more than once. I was greatly disappointed at the news that he dropped out of Traffic, and I read the about half of the talk backs to see how others felt. At first I felt that most of us felt the same way. Harrison Ford is an icon to our generation and want to see him succeed in whatever role he chooses. But the further I read I began to understand why Mr. Ford would turn down this role for an undisclosed action piece. Twenty five years ago a practical Harrison Ford was placed in a postion by someone who believed in him to do carpentry outside George Lucas' casting office. A few year later the world received one of the greatest hero actors of all time. Turning out Dr. Jones films and cutting edge sci-fi myths. We watched as Mr. Foed took on some succesful different roles in Witness and Mosquito Coast. Over the last few years the quality of material has not attained the same level as his earlier work. But honestly how could it? Personally I thought he did a fine job in Air Force One and The Fugitive. I guess I was hoping to see something along the lines of these performances crossed with a Mosquito Coast or Witness. Whatever his reasons for making his decision to drop out of the project are his business, not ours. It seems if the poor man will be destined to be eaten alive by those that he inspired as children. Cut the guy some slack. As much as I believe in him as an actor with legitimate talent, he still deserves the right as we all do to try and fail. So what if Six Days and Seven nights was a dog, or the others? If Indy and Han mean that much to any one who dares put written word in a public domain, then show some respect to the man, the individual, the human being that brought those loved characters to life. Harry I think you owe Harrison Ford an apology. And anyone who put a slam on this board against Mr. Ford should be ashamed of themselves. As much as I want to see Mr. Ford take home a golden statue for daring and cutting edge dramatic work, I can't honestly wish upon anyone to put themselves in the public forum to be torn down this way. Even if they aren't anywhere near as gifted as Mr. Ford, no one deserves to be slammed the way you all have slammed this man. My advice to Mr. Ford would be, take your wealth, you've earned it, and if you could take Indy and Han with you, away from these ungrateful, armchair, lazy bastards who can't see that you are a real person and do real work.
The written word is a powerful thing, and should not be wielded so lightly be shallow minded individuals. The pen is mightier than the sword, and the keyboard and the internet are the equivalent to an ICBM.
To Mr. Harrison Ford,
I apologize on behalf of the ungrateful, spoiled children of my generation. I thank you for your inspiration and all that you have done to enrich my life. I believe in you as a talent, an individual, and a person. I stand by you in whatever decisions you make regarding the direction of your career, for it is YOUR career. I hope that you will continue to entertain us though we clearly don't deserve it.
Sincerely,
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So Ford's sucked for over a decade has he? All i can say is take a good long look at this film again and tell me if it ain't the best mainstream blockbuster of the '90's. The Warner logo, the credits slamming across the screen, the Chicago skyline, then.... BAM! the wife gets tossed into the corner by an unseen assailant. From that point on until the credits roll, the movie is on rails. NO film i've seen this past decade told it's story with such ruthless efficiency, there's scarcely a single shot or line that isn't needed. WHY after 400 million dollars, critical rhapsodies and 7 Oscar nominations including picture, is this masterwork not UNIVERSALLY recognised as Ford's finest non-Spielberg/Lucas hour? Compare it to Andy Davis's work since or subsequent Tommy Lee chase movies and you'll recognise it's greatness, more to the point compare it to Sabrina or Devil's Own (i liked AF1, but mostly for Petersen's taut handling of the action and suspense and for Oldman's lunacy) and you'll be forced to agree with Harry and bemoan the rut Harrison's fallen into....
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Ive lost all respect for Ford.
The only good movie hes done in years is The Devils Own. Those pansy ass roles in Six Days and Seven nights and that last suck ass movie about the planecrash with Kristin Scott... well, its just bullshit!! I dont think there will ever be an Indy 4.
Ford is too damn old and if he looks like hes about to have a heart attack every time hes been in a fight like he did in the Jack Ryan movies, then Id rather remember him from the old indy movies.
If Ford was to return to the indymovies, hed need to have his hair colored brown again and have a stunt-double for even a fightscene, because he is too old to do even that on his own.
Retire Harrison and stop throwing those romantic crap movies in our faces or pull your shit together and give us what we want you asshole.
Put on that leatherjacket and take out that whip and kick some nazi-ass You cant postpone it forever.
If you some day say you will never make another indy movie then you can go fuck yourself!!
And Im speaking for everybody else that use to think you were a cool actor like 10.000 years ago!!
Thomas
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That was THE most boring piece of shit i've ever seen. It was torture to sit through in the theaters. Give me 6 days over that film anyday.
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At least Catherine Zeta Jones can't get her hands on yet another older man and make us cringe with embarrassment. The Welsh slut!
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His role COULD NOT be played by anyone. name another actor who could carry an action film as convincing as Ford?
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This is a classic example of a film destroyed by Ford. The original script was excellent. But when Ford signed on, he took over and had a whole new plot built around his character, effectively destroying the original story and leaving what remained a dumbed down mess of its former self. allow me to quote IMDB.....Brad Pitt wanted to leave the production, but was threatened by a lawsuit. In the February 2, 1997, issue of Newsweek, Pitt called the film a "disaster," and says that "it was the most irresponsible bit of filmmaking - if you can even call it that - that I've ever seen. I couldn't believe it." Rumours of fighting on the set (especially over which star would be the focus of the film) plagued the production. The original script was discarded, and there were at least seven subsequent rewrites. Pitt said the final version was "a mess." "The script that I had loved was gone," he lamented. "I guess people just had different visions and you can't argue with that. But then I wanted out and the studio head said, 'All right, we'll let you out, but it'll be $63 million for starters."'
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For writing this, I am almost stuping to your level. But FUCK MAN!! how many people are there out there that waste the time and space everyday just to say, "waaaa, I'm not first on the list!" so what!! Question, if you were first on the "Talk Back" list what the fuck would you actually say?!? since you are already making this section load slow with your comments you might as well have something constructive to say rather than wining!!
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Y know, Im reading these posts and it just occured to me...Harrison...Harry...Make a mental picture of Indy and Han Solo, and then realize the guys name is "Harrison" or "Harry" thats funny, it just doesnt fit, but if you say...HARRISON FORD, theres a power to that..."Look, theres the super-star actor, Harrison Ford, by god, get his autograph." Or, "Hey, look, its Harrison, what a fool that guy is." weird.
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I can
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I have been a Ford fan since I was 13, Han Solo appearing at exactly the right time in the life of an un-typical teenage girl. I have seen every movie of his, multiple times, right up until that unfortunate piece of crap called 'Random Hearts' - the tv ads and trailer was enough for me on that one. More than enough. I have worshipped the man, touted his acting skill whenever possible, drooled over eleventy bazillion photographs.
I feel almost betrayed at the man's continual disdain for anything that could be considered good and thought-provoking while instead choosing to take the easy route, repeating the same 2 or 3 roles that worked in the past, the only difference being the names of the characters. When I heard about the AFI award I was dumbstruck; this man is not in the same league as a Hopkins, a Hoffman, a DeNiro - it was obvious from the people who didn't show up at the AFI ceremony that I'm not the only one who feels this way.
At one time many of us had hopes that he would again one day make a film on the level of 'Mosquito Coast,' now I am convinced that like many of us, he's content to get his cash and go home, content in the fact that he put in his standard 30%.
One can make fun of people like Arnold and Bruce, but they actually are interested in the craft of acting, for what it's worth. Bruce has certainly proven himself, in my opinion. Arnold, well, you have to give the guy credit for his enthusiasm. Mel Gibson and George Clooney are another two who are not content to phone it in and just remain 'superstars.'
It's funny - with his notorious disdain for all things Hollywood, he's actually become the symbol for mediocre, overblown, moviemaking.
Trust me when I say that I have been an uberfan for over 20 years, always hoping, always seeing the unlocked potential I really thought was there all this time. But it's been a very long time, and I'm quite tired now. -
C'mon guys! This is Harrison "F'ing" Ford, here!!! If it's an "unconfirmed" action film he's doing next, lets pray it's INDY 5 or another Tom Clancy flick (hopefully Sum of All Fears). He has yet to let me down!
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