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Merrick here...
Even though the EXPENDABLES sequel will be pussyfied down to a PG-13 rating (details HERE), there's evidence that a few other high profile follow-ups may actually head the other direction.
A while back came news that Vin Diesel fought the good fight, and sacrificed a bit, to bring us the forthcoming R-rated RIDDICK sequel. We recently learned that the new continuation(?) of THE LAST EXORCISM will move away from the first installment's PG-13 rating into firm 'R' territory (details HERE). And now now it sounds like The Powers That Be behind a fifth TERMINATOR film are determined to shift that project towards an 'R' rating as well.
In a recent Tweet exchange with T5 rights holder Megan Ellison (who's kinda cute, by the way), TheTerminatorFans prodded her regarding whether T5 would be consigned to PG-13 "hell." Her reply:
@meganeellison: We can't really tell you guys anything about Terminator BUT it will be an R rated film as God and James Cameron intended.
All films in the TERMINATOR bigscreen franchise have been rated 'R,' except for McG's 2009 TERMINATOR SALVATION. While the softer rating certainly didn't he;p matters there, PG-13 was the last of that film's problems...
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Jan. 25, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
They already done fucked this franchise up, bring me Robocop!
by SoylentMean
And I mean ultraviolent as hell Robocop!
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Hasn't been anything worthy since 1991. That's Twenty years ago!
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Remember having this discussion before in a previous thread. If we're being honest only the first TERMINATOR had a hard R feel, the other 3 not so much... I'll believe we're getting a 5th Terminator when I see the trailer - this talk of ratings is all pie in the sky right now.
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but will have a change of heart.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
Seriously, who cares? The franchise is inherently limited.
by Raptor Jesus
It's a basic story and it's been done to death.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST
If they did it from the perspective of Skynet it might be interesting
by SoylentMean
But you can't just have a movie featuring wholesale human slaughter via sentient robots. Or can you?
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No Really how much better could salvation be with a few more cuss words ?
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Jan. 25, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST
T5....wow so will it have Bale and continue the story from Salvation?
by fat_rancor_keeper
Seriously are there really no hard details on this? Anyway - an R rating IS good news.
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Id bet that cut would be rated R. I dont get McG. He's had more violence in some episodes of Supernatural than he put in TS. BTW McG you promised that cut 3 years ago! Where is it? Aint buying TS until I see it.>:(
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Jan. 25, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
Hey look! Merrick is using the rating card to pump up is talkback count.
by Jaka
Or, ya know, don't.
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Wasn't that already on the bluray?
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I DONT.Since the T3 abomination.
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Hope so...WHOOPIEEEE!!!
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Break it down, brotha ... tell Megan what we want in the new Terminator movie, man!
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Both wonderful worlds to explore, but even when done well it's repetitious. The reason why is clear: protect the franchise for further exploitation (which generally precludes doing something that might be interesting). Ah well.
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Reboot from the 3rd movie ... fuck the shitty 4th installment ... Give us Cameron's vision of the future war with plasma rifles and man on the brink of extinction ... or no sale!
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
I doubt either God or James Cameron intended there to be a TERMINATOR 5
by Jet Jaguar
Shoulda left it at 2 films, plus the 3D Universal Studios attraction.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
Make it an R-rated serious future war film in James Cameron's nightmarish post apocalyptic L.A.
by lv_426
with the blue and purple laser and plasma weaponry, chrome silver hunter-killers patrolling the charred wastelands, and terminator infiltration units in ragged clothes fucking shit up. I wanna see the real extermination camps, not the ticker tape line they had in Salvation. I wanna see John Connor and his resistance troopers storm the wires of the camps. I want to see them go to war with Skynet on a grand scale, eventually getting into the massive HQ and shutting down the mainframe. Then Reese and the T-800 from T2 are sent back. Do that or just don't do it at all.
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I knew you wouldn't miss! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT! Megan, read that! Now, have your writers do adapt it. Let me break it down: Read LV_426's post .... write, make movie = PROFIT.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
This makes sense. After all, you can't beat a dead horse in a PG-13 movie. Far too graphic.
by P
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...was on the Blu Ray disc and regular DVD through Target exclusively.
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Talk to the hand
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I don't remember a single swear word in that entire film... tame compared to T2
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
Am I alone in liking TS? I mean it wasn't horrible and way better than part 3.
by Tikidonkeypunch
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Megan sounds like a smart lady. THE TERMINATOR, TERMINATOR 2 and TERMINATOR 3 were all R rated films...and that's what Schwarzenegger needs to continue with TERMINATOR 5. Arnie should play a bad T-800 and kill more people than he did in THE TERMINATOR (1984). He's not called a Terminator for nothing!
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I didn't have a whole lot more to add, besides some nippage from Moon Bloodgood. It is nothing like the T2 extended cut, which added in like 15 minutes of stuff, and had new scenes that really changed the pacing and affected some of the themes of the film. For example, when they remove the chip from the T800's head, to set it to learning mode, and John has to step up and show some leadership when his mom tries to smash the chip with a hammer because she doesn't trust the terminator.
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I thought God & Jimbo were both the same guy!!
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which had two of the most successful franchises on its books and it ran both of them into the ground. Star Wars and Alien... they ran alien into the ground... at least lucas had for both good and ill had complete control of his.
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Directed by Lucas. With a walk-on by Jar-Jar, who gets beheaded by an Alien Queen. You know you want to see it, and you always did.
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T2 hasn't aged well and the kid's acting is cringe-worthy. I can barely remember the last one. Not saying 3 is a masterpiece but it has muscular direction and some great setpieces.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
Instead of the..yawn T5 why not throwing some serious coin over to Rendezvous With Rama?
by Fandude7
I've had it with the Terminator series. There's got to be other things out there.
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He has to take breaks to consume his Sustacal...
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
Really? Does anybody care about this series of movies any longer?
by Orbots Commander
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Some people do talk shit Creepythinman springs to mind,and i'm not talking about God
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Jan. 25, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST
fandude7, you're right, a new adaptation or original sci-fi film would be great
by lv_426
Rendezvous With Rama has never been put to screen, so I'd be interested in seeing that. If they want a Terminator type of film without that franchise's baggage, they could always adapt Philip K. Dick's Second Variety, which while made in the early 90's as Screamers, wasn't done to full potential with that one, plus the ending was bungled too. Second Variety could be amazing with the FX technology available today. It also could still be done for a somewhat modest budget, or it could have the scale of a larger sci-fi war film too. The bottom line is that it seems to be one of the precursors (written in the 60's) to stuff like The Terminator and the recent Battlestar Galactica with the humanoid Cylons. Of course, they probably do want the baggage that a franchise like Terminator brings, because it is a well known property and God forbid they actually make original movies or new adaptations anymore unless it is some small film like The Artist or Midnight in Paris. No originality allowed in sci-fi/fantasy/action filmmaking anymore.
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She's stunning. Simply stunning.
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Yes my friend,but don't worry yourself,it'll all be over soon (depending on your age of course,for your sake lets all hope your old)
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wants to make them awesome, and you guys bitch? The correct response is googling her image and spraying your geekspooge all over the b through F5 keys. Damn that shit's hard to get out of the cracks.
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Wow an article assuring us that some board that ahs nothing to do with the film will rate it R. Thats nice and I guess it doesnt matter if everything else about the films are terrible. Seriously who the fuck cares about ratings. I would perfer exciting genre filmaking.
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Matrix 2 was bragging about their expensive car chase... but the one in T3 was far more entertaining. But T3 felt cartoony and only the last five minutes felt brilliant. I loved the ending, absolutely loved it. T4 felt bland. I could try nitpicking it but who cares. Giving T5 an R rating doesn't mean it will be good. Give us a good story, good characters, and something to care about it. If it winds up being R, sure, but we all want a good Terminator movie that we FEEL something watching (and preferably not the feelings of boredom, disdain, apathy, annoyance, or frustration).
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In T2, how much nudity or gore or whatever else puts that movie squarely into the "R" bracket? Outside of some cussing (shit, fuck, turds, blah blah), which you would find in many PG-13 movies anyhow, there wasn't a whole lot that made that one R-rated. In fact, I'm not gonna even bother making sure if T2 was R-rated or not. The point is that having a R-rating don't mean shit if the writing and the directing is awful. Throwing in gore, fuck, and what have you won't add squat to a movie.
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Wake me when they actually make this film, and we get into the post-production phase.
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You people think in the wrong terms, thinking that people in defense of R movies think that adding a few "fuck's" will make the movie better. That's not the case. It's that R-movies allow the movie to be made as indended, without pulling punches or taming it down. It's likely to be a worse film after being chopped up like that.
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God doesn't think he's James Cameron.
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With TERMINATOR 5 going back to basics with a hard R rating, Megan should get a real visionary fx filmmaker like PAUL VERHOEVEN. He is great pals with Schwarzenegger. Plus, Paul said last month that he still wants to work with ARNOLD. Megan, hire Verhoeven for TERMINATOR 5 and start the great positive buzz again!
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Jan. 25, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
PLEASE DON'T REBOOT, JUST IGNORE WHAT HAPPEN IN T3 and Salvation
by ilovemichealbay
Great News, please get Cameron to write the script, only SCHWARZENEGGER as the T800 use WETA/ILM to make him younger. And maybe Matt Damon as John Connor and either Hans Zimmer or Brad Fidel to do the score.
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Is just out for quick cash. Just another hoe with a silver spoon in her mouth trying to woo today's Transformer generation. I'll guarantee you that T5, if it ever makes the light of day, will be a dull pile of cgi turd.
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An R rating does not a good film make. The first two films are the only ones I choose to acknowledge.
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this was my wife's suggestion and I like it!
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Jan. 25, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
No kid telling the Terminator he can't kill. Everyone knows a 10 year old kid would tell the Terminator to ramp up the violence, not be a pussy.
by Rtobert
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They asked how easy it would be to tone it down and i said that it would destroy the script, They loved my script so much that they agreed it was in the franchise best interest to go Hard R. James Cameron said the script was game changing
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As with another famed SF franchise, Cameron's second chapter said all that needed to be said. Anything further is superfluous at best, regrettable dreck at worst. I admired T3 a bit in going for the downbeat ending, but there was really nothing in that film we needed to see. No, it wasn't the out-and-out disaster of Alien3, but it was hardly worth even shrugging your shoulders over, Kristanna Loken or not. Meanwhile, Terminator Salvation was noisy nonsense from a tone-deaf hack. And Alien Resurrection was a steaming pile. So the lesson is, if Cameron makes the 2nd entry in a series, all other filmmakers should just stay awayyyyyyyy... Not that that lesson will stop the perpetrators of whatever Terminator 5 will turn out to be...
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...if they're brave enough to stand it on its head. I'd really like to see the franchise go off-rails and decide that John Connor is NOT the hero. I've always thought the weakness of the Terminator films has been the focus upon JC. As for the premise, if your ENTIRE resistance movement hinges upon the safety of one man, and the enemy has virtually unlimited attempts to take out said man, it's virtually inevitable that they'll succeed at least once. No, after Yelchin's performance in T4, which was FAR more interesting than Bale's, I'd like to see them finally explain that it was Kyle Reese, by far the bigger badass of the two, that was the real leader. Face it, Kyle was there right up until Skynet was destroyed. He only went back to save Sarah Connor AFTER the resistance had captured the time travel machinery. There's absolutely no reason Kyle couldn't have been the actual hidden power of the resistance. You could then have him struggle with the guilt of knowing that he was sending his son into danger with the very real probability that one of the futures would result in the death of his son with Sarah. Hell, you could even start the movie with the death of JC and the consequences of it. I'd really like to see them take serious risks with the franchise. It's time to open it up, take a fresh look, and take some chances that franchises never do, namely killing your supposed main character and turning the history on its head. Now that Arnie's older, it'd be also pretty cool to include an arc that shows flashbacks of him as a human being, older, and fighting in the early part of the resistance. Show how he's a real hardass/badass that serves as a mentor to Kyle Reese, but who's #2 on Skynet's kill or capture list. They could then use him as a template for the T-1000. (Yes, I know the T1K was used in T4, but that's only Arnie's likeness. You could still explain it as Skynet's first, failed attempt at the T1k before they had the real McCoy to crib from.) I'm just hoping, with the realization that Hollywood types are inherently risk-averse and lazy, that they'll take it in a new direction. We don't need another T3/T4.
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i think R Scott will lay it down i want it R and they'll do it so as not to piss Ridley off. plus Fox studio must f**king KNOW about the anger levelled at the was anticipated EXP2. do they want the same for Prometheus? its a gamble...but so then is an R rating.... they must choose but choose wisely they must...for the true rating will bring $s...the false one will take them its gonna be a helluva AICN day when the rating gets announced thats fer sure
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Jan. 25, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
Remember in Alien 3 when Ripley found Bishop on the scrap heap?
by john
Some guy in the future - who needs protecting - could find an old fucked up ancient Arnie in a scrap heap, start him up and there ya go - a plausable way to get the old Gov back into this.
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theres obviously going to bea horrific death scene in Prometheus as RS is going to want to top the chestburster scene and have it talked about etc fail to see how that can happen with a PG13
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Jan. 25, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
I recently rewatched Salvation, and it was better than I remember.
by Jeremy Shanks
I'm not saying it was bloody brilliant, just not crappy. I remember Harry's review on it also, which was unfair at the time, and thinking back still . Could have been better. Heres hoping Plinkett destroys my argument with a snappy review soon heehee :)
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THE FUCK IT WASNT. 1.A nuclear explosion which levels LA and turns millions of people into ashes. 2.In the same scene,the flesh of a mother and her child daughter is completely burned out and only their skeletons remain. 3.Arnold cuts off and removes all the flesh from his whole arm. 4.T-X stabs a man with his big metal knife-hand. 5.T-X removes his big metal knife-hand from the opened,bloody mouth of a dead man after killing with that. 6.T-X stabs the head of a man with his metal nai-finger. 7.Sharah breaks the nose of the creepy nurse with blood bursting out. 8.Half of Arnold's face is removed. 9.A man is shot multiple times. 10.A man is shot in his two legs. 11.Sharah breaks the hand of the shrink. 12.T-X stabs Sharah and then tortures her with his nail-finger. All the above scenes are shown,they are not implied,there are not quick cuts or different camera angles,you clearly see in front of you what happens. In fact T2 is as violent as T1 and maybe even more thanks to the nuclear explosion scene.Calling it a non R-rated film is idiotic.
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what i dont get is they are allowed at least one F bomb but there isnt even one in the so called R rated DC! even XMFC had one!
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I only own the first two movies and I always watch the extended cut of T2 with the definitive ending. Perfect. Admittedly I wouldn't mind
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Jan. 25, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
I thought Harry's review of T:S was over the top...until I actually saw the film.
by Simpsonian
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Admittedly I wouldn't mind a future war movie, but I'd want it to lead into T1 and not build on T3... Salvation had it all wrong.
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how the hell can you have Michael Ironside in a terminator movie and have it PG13?
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Jan. 25, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
The lack of disrespect being displayed before the R-rating around here... staggers me
by Mattman
A lot of you are downright retarded when it comes to what you can and can't do with the R-rating. It comes down to blood, language, and nudity. T2 has two of those things in spades, specifically too much blood when people are shot or impaled. Sure, you can stab or shoot someone in a PG-13, but you have to tone down the blood. T2 would have to be severely neutered to be cut down to a PG-13. You couldn't have the chick ripping a knife out of the dude's skull, for one thing.
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Salvation's R-rated Director's Cut WAS better than the Theatrical Cut.
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fanboys rejoice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sound design. It was pretty damned good.
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I'll keep watching them if they keep making them.
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Very excited now that they're at least going to give the property the integrity it deserves. Looking forward to it.
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back when a movie's rating and content was dictated by the artists making it and not suit fuckwits?
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Jan. 25, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST
if they do a future war setting again please make it look like the opening to T2
by awepittance
none of this fucking bland ass generic hollywood colorless dessert setting bullshit. please no. Is it wrong to want purple lasers flying all over the place? absolutely not
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That's what I am saying. Salvation, while it had some nice moments, stripped away the iconic look and mood of the future war that was presented in James Cameron's Terminator films. -- Purple lasers/plasma tracers searing the darkness. -- Dark, blue, nighttime world of twisted and tortured metal on top a layer of human skulls. -- Scared, semi-feral survivors huddled underground hoping that the machines don't find them. -- Scrappy resistance fighters sneaking through the nuclear rubble, waging guerrilla warfare against the mighty mechanized forces of Skynet. That's what we need in a future war Terminator film, not the Mad Max style that Salvation seemed to feel was good enough.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST
If McG did a follow up film to AL()ENS, his portrayal of the planet
by lv_426
Acheron/LV-426 would probably be kinda sunny and way less windy. The twisted bone-like black rock formations that covered the surface, would be replaced with a normal terrestrial looking landscape.
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Stupid.
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...at least it had the balls to actually have Judgement Day happen! T4 wasn't as bad as people make it out to be but yes it was nowhere near the quality of the other 3 (especially the 1st two of course).
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST
T3 had an R rating? it was pretty close to a kids terminator movie apart from the ending.
by cameron
The Terminator movies are having to change the Judgement date as we keep passing it, first it was 1997, then it was 2003, then an unspecified date for TS. At this rate the machine's just wonder why they bother as they just fail every time. They don't really need to do anything because a post judgement day world wouldn't be the dusty cowboy-ish world of TS. Most of humanity would die within six months of the bombs falling, the rest would die slowly as radiation fallout contaminated water and the remaining food supplies. All the machines would have to do is sit back and let the radiation kill us. I think a more interesting subject would be the increasing probability of humanity and merging more and more until a new form of life splits from tarditional humanity. Just played Deus Ex, the story line throws up interesting notions and ideas about where humans are heading' as long as we don't blow ourselves to kingdom come. that is the cool paradox, the fact we are at the verge of radical technology that can alter mankind, at the same time we've never been closer to extinction thru climate change, religious wars, the prospect of some super virus emerging. On the edge of the abbys but still reaching for the stars.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
The one thing from the last two Terminator films I wouldn't mind continuing
by lv_426
would be Anton Yelchin portraying Kyle Reese again. Get Michael Biehn to play John Connor. He's too old to be Reese now, but is a proper age for John Connor, and it would be a great way to tie to the original film that started it all. I like tittytwister's idea of having an old, run down, partially blown to shit Arnold T800 model being found by the resistance. Then have John deciding to let the Tech-Com scientists fix it up and experiment with it, to learn from it. Eventually they reprogram it to be his protector, sort of a personal bodyguard as the war heats up towards the big final battle. De-age the Arnold T800 with makeup, as much as possible, and then explain his older looks as the result of him being an infiltration unit that has been out in the field for such a long time, that his outer human layers of skin and muscle have begun to age. At the end, this Arnold model is nearly destroyed protecting John during the battle. Connor's forces win the battle, and shut down Skynet moments before it sends back the first T800 to 1984. The only thing left to do is to send Kyle back to 1984 to protect the mother of the resistance, Sarah Connor, and to send a T800 back to protect young John in 1994. Just as the loyal T800 is on its last legs, John shuts it down and removes it's CPU chip. They then unpack a fresh T800 Arnold model from cryo-stasis in the Skynet HQ. John swaps out the CPU chip with that of the one from his T800 protector. This then becomes the one that is sent back to 1994 in T2. They send the terminator back first, then Reese goes, the whole screen whiting out as the time displacement device roars to a crescendo. THE END.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST
They could still make a great movie and rescue the franchise
by Autodidact
Show the mission to capture the time displacement complex and send Reese and Arnold back after the T-800 and T-000. Show purple lasers and use blue gels on the camera for night/dark interior scenes. Big $.
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PG-13 or R or PG, it doesn't make a shit film any better or worse. I thought you guys knew that. Adding a few swear words or a tit or two doesn't make a better film, people need to stop focusing on the Rating and focus on making a GOOD story. The rating will fall where it may and as long as the STORY is good it could be rated PG and it won't make a difference.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
If only James Cameron came back to his TERMINATOR universe for a future war epic
by lv_426
We'd stand a good chance of Michael Biehn playing John Connor. He'd likely cast Stephen Lang as a bad ass resistance commander, maybe second in command to John Connor. Arnold as a terminator of course. Michelle Rodriguez as a resistance soldier (why not?). Bill Paxton somewhere in there too? Maybe as a civie survivor trying to dodge those damn HK's at night? Ed Harris, if he isn't still pissed about The Abyss, could play a Tech-Com scientist.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
You absolutely must respect T3 for allowing Judgement Day to happen
by Autodidact
Looking back, T3 is my favourite movie of 2003 for this reason. What other movie has ended with the world getting nuked? Strangelove? Miracle Mile? That's all I can think of.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Blue gels on the lights I mean.. just show us the FUTURE WAR / FINAL MISSION
by Autodidact
Show us the whole story behind what was meant to be the opening of T2... John Connor and his troops finally overcoming Skynet and sending Reese and the T-800 back after the T-800 and the T-1000. Handled correctly (big variable there), that could make a fucking awesome movie. Even if you keep Christian Bale as Connor and don't overwrite Salvation, it could work.
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after BR2 of course
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If anyone can play a bloke fucked up by what he's seen then it's him.. (I don't think he needs to act either!)
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST
Although I'm not sure if Cameron approves of Judgement Day actually happening?
by Autodidact
I guess if I was Cameron and I made my two defining movies about the world not getting nuked and some jackass came along and nuked the world in the 3rd one, I might be annoyed. Does anyone know his stance on the issue?
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
It is too bad that when they made T2, they didn't do a two-film thing back to back
by lv_426
With Cameron focusing on T2, making the same film we got now, while another director chosen by Cameron could have used all the assets they had for the future war prologue to make the war film about John and Kyle in the future. They already had Michael Biehn on T2 for one of Sarah's dreams sequences, which was cut but restored for the director's cut later on. In that scene he looked EXACTLY like Reese from the first film. They could have had him in the future war movie being made at the same time, and just popped over to the T2 set for the Sarah scene. Then went back to filming the future war thing with the other director. As long as Cameron was around to supervise and check that they were staying true to the style of the future war from the first film, then we'd be good. Even that guy they had briefly as John Connor at about age 45 or 50, sitting up on the hill surveying the battle, that guy looked perfect. He had a tough, battle hardened demeanor to him. If he was a good actor, he'd have been perfect for the part alongside Michael Biehn as Reese. Then after T2 came out, this future war one would be released the following spring or summer, so that Cameron could exec. produce and be around for the post production phase on this second sequel. So we'd have gotten Terminator 2: Judgment Day in 1991, and Terminator 3: Fall of Skynet a year or so later.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
This was never meant to tbe a franchise, that's why its been crap since J.Cameron finished with it.
by CeejayNightwing
But the studio knows you can't stop idiots parting with their cash for sequels and prequels of the same movie slightly variated with more FX, they're a simple bunch them fanboys!
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I was just glad it turned out okay. I really don't think it was all that bad. I look at it kind of as the AVP of the Terminator movies. And Salvation is the AVP:Requiem that just totally seems to not get the fucking idea.
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But I doubt that Cameron was saying specifically, the humans won and Skynet and the war never happens. Yes, that was the original intention with the future park coda on T2, which had that actually been the final scene we wouldn't even have been able to have more Terminator films after that. So while that was the original intention, he apparently decided that it was better to leave things open ended, so that it was sort of up to the viewer to decide. While I can appreciate the guts that T3 had to nuke the shit out of mankind at the end, I like that T2 does leave it open a bit. It reminds me of how in Blade Runner, Deckard might be a replicant, but it is never spelled out completely. I like that, as it makes one think of what the film was trying to say about humanity and the dehumanization of society through rapid technological advancement. Some twist thing about =oh God, he's a replicant= is kind of not the point IMO. Same with T2. It was more about are we going to take responsibility for all this technology that could destroy us, or are we going to let it run rampant just for the sake of progress and for financial gain? Or more along the lines of, is it the technology that destroys us, or is it we who will destroy ourselves, no matter if that means nukes or knives. Remember, the whole Dyson angle, where he had a totally different vision of what the T800 arm and CPU chip represented as compared to what Sarah Connor saw. She sees an army of killing machines rising from nuclear fire, while Dyson sees safer and more efficient technology that could save lives and make things easier for the next generation. Another thing I always liked that seems to get forgotten about the Terminator mythos, is that Judgment Day and the war with Skynet happens when humanity succeeds control of the nukes to Skynet in the first place. Basically, we give up choice when we let a machine do all the thinking of who and when we nuke something. That ties in with the whole No Fate theme running through the first two films, choice versus destiny. Anyways, we can always posit that it all becomes an alternate universe/branching timeline due to the time travel and the characters from T2 changing the future (although I don't think so, as the whole No Fate thing gets muddled a bit).
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Jan. 25, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST
The Terminator and T2 have a different vibe partly due to the Cold War
by lv_426
pretty much ending in on the heels of T2. 1984 though, the the year of The Terminator's release, still had that Cold War vibe going, which definitely put The Terminator into a certain cultural context that these films just won't have today. I suppose nowadays we have Iran heating up with the nuclear warmongering and all, but it is nothing like the paranoia that persisted throughout the Cold War. Nowadays the notion of terrorism, guerrilla warfare, resistance against the machinations of society seen in things like the Occupy movement, etc... all that would make a Terminator future war film somewhat relevant again for today's audience.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
Here's a FACT that anyone who enjoyed T3 or Salvation can deep throat on....
by DiamondJoe
....the Terminator franchise isn't worth a squirt of low-grade spunk. Because when Cameron finished his story, that was it. Everything since then has been artistically bankrupt SHITE. Shame this site said basically said, "Hey, I wonder what the guy who directed Charlie's Angels will do with the Terminator? What do YOU guys think?" Could've just, y'know, come out and said, "fuck this moneygrabbing bullshit in the rectum till it screams and bleeds. Save your money and tell these cunts to die". But ya didn't did ya?
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Just joking. Call me, babe.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
Terminator 2 was R and not just for language
by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours
Did everyone forget when John's uncle got impaled in the damn kitchen?? <b><b> Just watched Robocop 1-3 for the first time in years, and THAT was fucking 90's-style violence done right! I still like how Detroit looked so much like Atlanta ... oh wait!
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-- Shame this site said basically said, "Hey, I wonder what the guy who directed Charlie's Angels will do with the Terminator? What do YOU guys think?" -- I agree. They should at the very least hire a director who is a good fit for the Terminator universe if a T5 happens to get made. Not just someone that can do action. Terminator is about a lot more than action, car chases, and cool FX. They need someone who can understand that and focus on the darker, more interesting ideas that the first two explored.
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Glad someone remembers the damn movie.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
A Terminator movie needs two things: an R rating and James Cameron.
by Yelsaeb
Now we've got one, but it'll take a miracle to get the other.
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"Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" probably got its R-rating only because the MPAA knew that nobody under 18 would want to see it. <p> Everything is rigged.
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Anyone looking for a good dark post apocalyptic/Terminator-esque sci-fi film needs to check out Hardware if they haven't already. It was one of those lost cult films only available on shitty VHS up until recently. Now there is a Blu-ray and DVD version available that was struck from a nicely remastered print.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
They could entice Cameron back to Terminator, even if he only writes and produces
by lv_426
Come on Jim... Do it... DO IT NOWWW!!!!!!!
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Jan. 25, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
They could entice Cameron back to Terminator, even if he only writes and produces
by lv_426
They could entice him by giving him a massive budget so he can push some new digital cinema tech and 3D like he did with Avatar. As long as they got a good director who can handle gritty sci-fi like a Blomkamp, with Jim Cameron writing and producing, we'd most likely have a winner. Maybe they'll get Arnold on board, and he will be able to convince his friend Cameron to do it? =Come on Jim... Do it... DO IT NOWWW!!!!!!!= -- fucking repost because I thought the quotes worked again. Wrong.
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The future war was done perfectly in that series. Do yourself a favor and seek it out, it's fantastic. It also introduced female Terminators well before T3 did, and it did them better (that's what she said!)
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Surely, not another prequel. Aaaagh, barf. Go Fuck your self Hollywood.
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Blomkamp is talented but i need some more movies from him to decide if he is worthy for a Terminator movie.The way overrated District 9 does not suffice.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST
=Bill Paxton somewhere in there too? Maybe as a civie survivor trying to dodge those damn HK's at night? =
by KilliK
Bill Paxton was in T1 so he cant be in T5 again. Unless he is the lost bastard child of the T1 punk Paxton whom Arnold punched through his guts. And guess what.The T5 Paxton gets killed in the same way by another T800.
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BUT ... I would have replaced the TX with another T-1000 OR the often talked about Arnie V Arnie concept.
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But they have the 'R' rating. Priorities sound like they're in order.
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Okay, Terminator doesn't have quite the expanded universe and available cast of characters as Star Trek. But the point still stands that comebacks CAN be made, and an R rating is definitely a step in the right direction.
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I really do, ask him :-)
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Cut out about twelve seconds of cheesy to downright terrible jokes and it's actually pretty good. Unfortunately those lame attempts at humor kind of taint the rest a bit.
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Granted you're judging it against two classics, so it's hard to hold up to that, but just as a solid action movie, it holds up fine.
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Just change 2-3-4-22 scenes,remove another 4-5-12 scenes,reedit the story,overdub the dialog with new dialog,add new soundtrack and presto you have a decent flick.
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Attack of the Killer Tomatoes III
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Last Exorcism was a great movie, and was just fine with a PG-13 rating. Insidious was also. You need to be a bit more creative and actually use suspense and terror with a PG-13 rather than just going all Hostel and Saw in a movie.
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forever and ever! I think if something is cool, there should be more every year forever. no irony
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without cameron the movie will suck. they'll milk this for all it's worth. the series will NEVER END.
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COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE!!! FACT!!! <b><b> But seriously.
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RE: What you wanted to see in Terminator sequels: Amen brother.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
Best Concept in Terminator the war between the Skeleton Robot Armies and remnants of Earth
by even9
They lost sight of this and developed all this other overbearing thematic stuff, way too much time travelling going on back and forth to same place now. T3 was good but it was like T1, in that it was a set-up film - it could easily be the first film of a serial itself. T2 was a conclusion to T1 that went in another direction to it's set-up(big robotic war in the future) but it was a conclusion. I havn't seen Salvation so what do i know: Armies of Robots taking over the earth, some post apocalyptic robot run cities of their beginning new post organic earth civilisation while they exterminate everyone else who resists. John Connor building a resistance that can beat the robot armies, uses time travel to buillding post apocalyptic new earth cities re-populating with people from the past. Political intrigue as the two rival civilisations try and gain upper hand due to military stalemate & hardening of time travel constants as related to Robot and Man. Resolution of robots vs man civilisation as John Connor brings Dinosaurs from the past into post organic robot cities and the Terminator's learn to accept the supremacy of the organic rival human civilisations as the lessons of the distant past teach the robots the value of freedom in surviving with nature. This kind of Genre Terminator film serial could go with either T1 or T3 as it's prequel for example.
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Either do a proper sequel to The Terminator disregarding all the crap that came after (yes, that includes T2), or just leave it forever.
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Cameron makes the best ever single timeline loop story - one set in a world where time travel ends up creating the history that was always there. He puts in the best ever ending of its type, with the photograph staring you in the face and showing that in this narrative universe, time travel doesn't change anything: it's just part of the fabric of What Always Was, what philosophers call the 'tenseless theory of time'. Take-home message of The Terminator: in this narrative world, YOU CAN'T CHANGE HISTORY. Twenty eight years later, most people think of the Terminator franchise as one in which you can use time travel to go back and create alternate futures. The exact opposite message of the first movie. All the sequels - arguably including Cameron's own T2 - are 'sequels' to a misinterpretation (perhaps deliberate) of the original movie. If you think The Terminator is about how you can use time travel to change history, you've completely misunderstood the movie. It's all about how you can't. Skynet wants to destroy Connor, ends up being the thing that (had always) created Connor. Reese goes back hoping to ensure 'one possible future' in which John Connor survives, ends up being (had always been) Connor's father, in the only version of history that ever existed. I'm struggling to think of another franchise where the popular conception created by sequels is so far away from the original story. Maybe 'Rocky', where Balboa goes from being an everyday Joe with a little talent simply fighting for self-respect to being the world's greatest boxer and a virtual Captain America?
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It was a funny, R-rated movie with titties and stuff. Then came Police Academy 2. The titties were toned down and it was rated PG-13. All of the sequels that followed were then either PG or PG-13. Then they made a Saturday morning cartoon out of it! Revenge of the Nerds? Same thing. Part one showed an ample amount of titties and even some bush, but the sequel was PG-13. The third movie was a TV movie made with kids in mind. Making the next Terminator movie a rated R movie is a step in the right direction. And dear Chuck Norris, beating the shit out of people, shooting people, blowing people to smithereens, stabbing people and blood spurting all over the place is okay, but cussing is bad? Lame.
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because an "R" rating does not necessarily make a good movie. I wish Hollywood nimrods would get a hint that a good story is 10X more important than blood, sex, special effects, and gore.
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'Because when Cameron finished his story, that was it.' Yeah, except for the fact that he fucked up his OWN story. 'No-one goes home. Nobody else comes through. It's just HIM...and ME. Oh, and also some ludicrously advanced prototype and another reprogrammed CSM-101.' 'Their defense grid was smashed. WE'D WON. Except we hadn't and Skynet had plenty of time to develop and send a much better terminator a bit later.' 'Most of the records were lost in the war. Skynet knew almost nothing about Connor's mother. Her full name, where she lived. They just knew the city. Oh, but they also knew where John Connor lived ten years later as well. But they wanted to take the scenic route and go after his mom. It's cooler.' 'The final battle would not be fought in the future. It would be fought here. In our present. Tonight. Well, I say 'final' battle. I really mean 'penultimate'. But enjoy the movie.'
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on here is amazingly stupid.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
Megan Ellison, the bisexual, hard-drinking daughter of Oracle CEO Larry Ellison, who's been to rehab twice
by zillabeast
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Sam Worthington's plotline was a b-plot but it ate the rest of the movie, not least because Bale's John Connor was somewhat lacking in the ass-kickery department. They didn't need to explore that false-jeopardy nonsense about John Connor's hero-fate-angst. We know he's gonna lead the resistence, already! Having Connor need to prove to his comrades he could use a terminator against the enemy is fine. That's legit dramatic tension. But the execution of it was wishy-washy and he could have kicked a lot more ass doing so. Always good to see Michael Ironside, though.
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Jan. 25, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
Everyone wanted an R-rated Alien vs. Predator movie...
by Nasty In The Pasty
...and what did we get? AvP: Requiem. Just sayin'...
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... starring Arnie's illegitimate, lookalike son.
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And Sam Worthington comes back....okay, that last part was a joke.
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Jan. 26, 2012, 12:02 a.m. CST
The last exorcism was rated "18" in the UK. How the fuck did that happen????...
by sam jacksons wig
normally censorship in the states is a tad more stringent????
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sure she is "cute" for someone who holds the rights to a geek property, but thats about it... PS: if AICN doesnt post a pic of said woman, then that woman will most likely be not attractive PPS: I find Emma Stone not attractive... take that for what its worth
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Jan. 26, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST
misterdarcy, and that's why The Terminator is superior to T2:Judgement Day
by hank henshaw
among other things.
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I'm curious to see what ideas he has. Hopefully, he won't approach Terminator 5, like a "Fast and the Furious". Anyone want to bet that he will try to cast Vin as a Terminator?
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The Terminator saga ended for me at T2: Judgement Day. Anything after that just didn't interest me. I only watched the third Terminator movie just to see the nuclear annihilation. Didn't even watch the latest one.
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Boob up the men's franchise, so women can like it too or men can take their women to Terminator. Part 3 was a bad, very bad, parody. FFS, women watch Sex and the City, relations-bla-bla-bla bullshit, men watch sci-fi and war movies. DO NOT MIX
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Jan. 26, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST
And if Ridley's filmed 'R' rating shots for PROMETHEUS, then I wanna see them on the big screen!
by Cervantes
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Jan. 26, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST
They COULD do The Expendables 2 with no cursing, but rated R
by Ricardo
Just put a fucking cock or a cunt onscreen for a few seconds, for God's sake. Or lots of gore.
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I just did. Not perfect could have done with a more gritty feel to it but I still enjoyed it. I dont think I could handle another John Connor recast though. That would make it 5 different actors playing the same character. A bit of consistency is needed to settle the franchise. Let's just run with where TS was going but make it a grittier war film.
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Where would T5 go? I really hope that it would be a direct sequel to T:S. With the Marcus character out the picture - who was always kind of extraneous to the plot - I think you could make a really interesting film about the dynamic between Connor (Bale) and Kyle (Yelchin). With the son as the older figure teaching the younger man who is actually the father. Never seen that before in a movie and it could create a lot of drama - especially when Connor has to send Reese back in time, knowing he is sending him to his death.
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Plus I really don't think this franchise can stand a full reboot. Recasting John Connor again would be disastrous - particularly when you have a superb actor like Bale already in the part. Just give him a better script and more to sink his teeth into. Just move the future war on another few decades - plasma rifles and fields of skulls are what we all want to see!
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golden_ux, shit dude you took the words right out of my mouth!
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I prefer they DO.
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There is nothing else to tell. Fanboys wanted a fanwank Future War movie and got one, one that was fucking atrocious and completely ignored the technoir look and feel of Cameron's future war. Everything post-T2 is a cheap, artless cash-in. Leave it on the dark highway at night, where it belongs.
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Show how effective they are at stopping insurgents in some far away land. Then somebody gets the idea to hook them up to Skynet. Then the future war follows.
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With Arnold in the future war. They even spray water on you when the T-1000 blows up. So I got the gist. Just like the new Star Tours has a pod race in 3D so I don't have to see TPM in theaters again.
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Who else thinks Paul Verhoeven is the best choice? He told TAFS a few months ago he wants to still work with Arnold. TOTAL RECALL is a sci-fi masterpiece. They need to make one more film together. It would be good to see Verhoeven try to match James Cameron. Paul did an amazing jon with ROBO COP.
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While I like T2, I agree that the message of the first movie about "you can't change the future" started to deviate with it. Maybe that's also why I can't hate T3, because it somehow have an ending kind of like the first one: people trying hard to change things, but the future is what it is (or will be, if you want...). Except for cool comedies like the BTTF trilogy, I prefer my time travel stories with that sort of "philosophy".
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Good ol R rated 45 auto-mag to innocent woman's face unloading. Aarahh jew sarahh connah dere? Noh? Vel den ahv ghot tew turminaate jew den. One wonders what the elevator scene from drive would look like in a pg-13
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Jan. 26, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST
It's not like the original Terminator didn't have plot holes.
by Mugato5150
Reese said that the terminator went through the time thingy first, right? So if we can safely assume that without Reese, the terminator would have killed Sarah, wouldn't time instantly change and Reese wouldn't have the chance to to through the time thingy? Well anyway, as for the rating, they get away with a lot of violence in PG-13 movies now. Maybe the blade through the guy with the milk carton and the security guys' eye in T2 wouldn't have made the cut but otherwise the films are fairly PG-13 violence wise.
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THanks to AMC, I will need to never watch that flick ever again. I think it's Cam's worst actually. T3 is much better, just for the ending alone. Had 2 not remade the first film, it would have been cool, but cam did that to prevent any more sequels. In spite of it all, T3 is fine. Salvation was serviceable.
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Sure the kid is annoying but I knew that back in 1991. The story was solid, all the other actors were good. The T-1000 in retrospect was a little silly I suppose, just Cameron demo-ing his morphing program from The Abyss. And his need to bathe everything in blue light in almost all his films is getting obnoxious but it's still a good movie. But yeah, I'm a fan of the TV show too. I'm actually surprised it lasted as long as it did.
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Jan. 26, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST
=Good ol R rated 45 auto-mag to innocent woman's face unloading.=
by KilliK
Ironically that scene is a PG13 scene,not R-rated for the simple reason that we DONT see the shot in the woman's head.The same goes when Arnold kills the weapons store owner with the shotgun.We dont see his death there either.
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Jan. 26, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
@zodnotgod i respect your opinion about T2 but it is retarded.FACT.
by KilliK
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If the new Terminator movie is all future war. You heard me. A war movie. Humans vs. HK's and Terminators. With the movie ending with Skynet sending the original model 101 and Reese following behind him back to the 1980's. The End. All tied up in perfect package. We could even pretend that none of those other movies happened. : )
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Jan. 26, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
I would watch this if Michael Biehn would be the centerpiece
by chien_sale
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Jan. 26, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
Yeah, they really do need this to end with sending Reese back in time
by Mugato5150
Just bring everything full circle. Of course they'd have to reconcile why sending the first terminator in first wouldn't instantly destroy everything before Reese could go through and why the T-1000 could go through the time thing without living flesh.
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'So if we can safely assume that without Reese, the terminator would have killed Sarah, wouldn't time instantly change and Reese wouldn't have the chance to to through the time thingy?' Again, the point is being missed here. What you say would be absolutely true IF The Terminator were set in a narrative universe that allowed time travel to change the future. It's perfectly legitimate for a time travel story to use those mechanics. But The Terminator is not a story of that kind. History is one giant, static, four-dimensional construct. The future is already written. There was never a version of history without the terminator and Reese in 1984. Therefore the terminator arriving doesn't change ANYTHING; it had always happened, as had the arrival of Reese. Indeed, what you highlight is a problem of inconsistency with the sequels. In T2 (probably) and T3 (definitely), time travel IS used to change history. These rules do not support the events we see in The Terminator. If you're in a universe where an act of time travel changes history, or creates a new branch, The Terminator's events would not be possible.
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Just to claim that time travel doesn't change anything even though it clearly does. I can buy that there would still be a John Conner even if Reese hadn't gone back in time. Sarah would just have had a (less whiny) kid with another guy. But the circumstances under which John sent Reese back in time wouldn't have existed if there wasn't a universe where John wasn't sent back in time. Time travel stories almost never work, is the point
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Jan. 26, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST
I don't care if it's rated G as long as the movie is worthy!
by The_Genteel_Gentile
Pretty sure 2001: A Space Odyssey is rated G, and I haven't heard any complaints about that. Fact of the matter is Terminator 2 would be an easy PG-13 without the F-Bombs. And quite frankly profanity just doesn't hold the same luster as yesteryear for me amymore anyway, so I could take or leave it - I really don't care. What's wrong with Terminator Salvation has nothing to do with it being PG-13, it's that it had a pretty decent three quarters and then just disintegrated into absolute incoherent malarkey right at the climax. Just make a smart movie without any lazy shortcuts and I'll be happy with whatever rating comes with it.
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Jan. 26, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
Arnold should go the JCVD route or return to the LAST ACTION HERO concept
by Autodidact
It would be cool to see Arnold play himself in a fictional story sort of like JCVD (without a stupid crying monologue to the camera), or in never-happen-land they could do a reboot of LAST ACTION HERO where old Arnold in real life has to pull young Arnold out of old movies to save the world or some shit. I'm not proposing Oscar winning projects here. I'm talking about big movie vehicles that could feasibly be built around a 60+ year old Schwarzenegger.
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Jan. 26, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
=Fact of the matter is Terminator 2 would be an easy PG-13 without the F-Bombs.=
by KilliK
WRONG.T2 IS R-RATED WITHOUT OR WITHOUT THE CUSS.FACT.
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And you know what? I actually has stopped hating it. I know its not a Terminator movie per se, but in and of itself its kinda ok. I´m still curios for the directors cut, and by that i mean the real one. Not the padded joke they dumped on blu. Massive cunts they are them people trying to force a double dip on me. Cunts i tell ya...
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