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Did MARVEL's offices really hate X-MEN'
Hey folks, Harry here. About a month or so ago we heard rumors that Marvel's Bullpen was making a ugly cup hand of compressed air squeezed by squishing armpit sounds about the X-MEN movie. Word had it that MARVEL was distancing itself from the project... specifically the folks in the comic area.
I never ran this news because I couldn't get confirmation of the negativity. Whoever sent the original info had sent it to all the film news sites at the same time and frankly... That's a bit suspicious.
Finally I managed to get word from inside Marvel's comic branch about what they think of X-MEN.
It's not praise or dissing. Instead it's hopeful prayers. Down in the inkwells and by the pencil sharpeners.. the word is fairly mute. They haven't seen much more than you. And for the vast majority of those there... the first time they saw the trailer was on their computers like you.
The fact is, the comic folks are far more concerned that the executive branch of Marvel has such a 'Who Cares' attitude when it comes to the comics... and that the feeling they get is that the only reason they care about the comics is to turn them into films. And that overall... that's an attitude that is truly ruining and damaging the world of Comic Books. The Junk Bond attitude of building up a property then selling it off fast as can be.
You see... the folks at the drawing table are excited about the film... but with a certain amount of shame... You see, the want the movie to be great because if it isn't... those at the top might turn their backs on them. It's a scary world for comics people today. Turning ink and paper and the 5 panel page to a 24 frame a second piece of celluloid. And that's what my sources say the word is in the mighty Marvel tower...
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if chris claremont and john byne were affiliated with the film and halle berry and rebecca romaijn-skank-os were vixens in the hellfire club wearing stockings and lingerie there would be no problem
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The comics people must regard the X-Men as their "child", and they know that if the movie sinks it'll drag down the comics with it...
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Of course it is going to be shit.
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I finally got to check out the trailer and I was not very impressed. If they are still working on effects and things like that then don't put out a trailer that doesn't truly show what the film will be all about. Instead, this film is mounting so much negative vibes that they might have a total disaster on their hands before the film even opens. I'm talking about the film being panned in MAY, even APRIL. I don't know, I thought Singer would do a good job, but so far it looks like he's dropped the ball and keeps kicking it away from himself every time he tries to pick it back up. If this film really does tank then it will be a huge shame after all the talk of using care in waiting until the time was right to do it. This thing has the smell of the 1994 version of Fantastic Four written all over it.
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Feb 22, 2000 9:39:23 PM CST
Well of course they are going to hate the movie! With all that P
by darthjoe
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It's really too bad that businessmen always have ultimate control over creativity. It'd really be nice if they'd treat the characters with the same reverence the fans and creators have for them. Maybe THEN comics would have some credibility because many talented people avoid doing them because what happens is you can only do them until enough people like them that they're worth something...and then the lawyers and accountants start writing the fuckin' books.
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Yeah, it's scary alright. Most of us guys get into it because we love it, or are trying to fulfill a childhood dream or somesuch. Unfortunately, the truth is that very few guys actually make a living at it. Of those who DO, they rapidly discover there's no job security at all. All freelancers are pretty much expendable, and everybody talks with everybody in the field. Miss one deadline because of the flu? Watch out! You're starting out right back at square one as far as reputation is concerned. I graduated from the Joe Kubert school a few years ago, and the best I've been able to manage is a couple of odd role-playing illustrations. Of all of the people I keep in touch with from my class, ONE of them has actually managed to break into comics, and that just for a few try-out issues. It's a cruel business that preys on young people with talent and love for the genre, and turns them bitter. Oh, and so far as going the self-publishing route, good luck. I can count the people in the biz who can make a living at it on one hand. Then the Hollywood types find a good comic and show up at the creator's door waving money and saying "movie". You can't blame them for getting stars in their eyes and agreeing to any changes to the original. You wanna know the REALLY sad part? I've met really talented guys who would be willing to work in the comic business for FREE. That's how much love some of these kooks have for it. Then they get their teeth kicked in by the very business they love. Sigh. Sorry to wax melancholy. I remember picking up the Claremont/Byrne issues of X-Men when I was a kid, and just getting LOST for twenty minutes or so. If this movie can recapture even an iota of the fun I had with X-Men, I'll be happy.
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Here is a tissue to dry the tears of all of you that have nothing better to do but cry about the movie. *sniffle* Don't forget to blow your nose.
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The only thing rewarding for me about these X-Men talkbacks is watching you fanboys writhe in pain. This movie will absolutely blow, anyone who disagrees is clearly a moron. Oh BigLarz, earlier tonight I took a beer induced nap, and I had a dream, wet mind you, of my hands around your throat, slowly squeezing the life out of you. I kid of course (cough, cough) but it remains a possibility for tonight. Darth Psycotic is the man, just got an EXCEPTIONAL e-mail from him. The only downside was he didn't tear apart BigLarz and DMFC, but hey, no one's perfect, y'know? Actually, I hear BigLarz is going to be in the sequel to X-Men. He's a mutant with the power to write boring, humorless posts which put everyone to sleep who views them. He dies in the first 2 minutes of the film. : ( Gotta go, my girl just came over. Sorry fanboys, looks like its soon to be lights out for you and your kind. Suck it hard, suck it long.
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I have found the X-Men movie trailer posted on the web. It is posted at www.movie-trailers.com. Personally, I think that the movie has gone way out in left field. It still has potentional. But, then again it may alienate the true fans of the X-Men. One thing is for certain, there will definitely be some arguments as the whether this film is worth all the controversy it's causing.
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i know i'm a lot clearer about the whole 'hot dog: the tasty snack' issue now. thank you, 'hot dog: the movie'!!!
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Is this the same Marvel that had no problem with the Captain American and Dr. Strange from 1978? Or Daredevil from The Trila Of The Incredible Hulk? How did comic properties go from that lax attitude to the stranglehold comic companies have on them now. Sometimes you can kill your baby if you hug too hard. The less Stan Lee likes it, the better I will.
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I can't believe you people, crying about it when all you've seen is a fast paced little teaser. One thing I could pick up from those little clips was atmosphere, and if they get the atmosphere right then it's going to be cool. Magneto flinging those cars around is atmosphere, prof x saying 'we're not what you think" is cool as hell. That's what's going to make this movie worth it. And if the plot turns out cool and the characters are well done, then so much the better, and this might be a great movie instead of just a damn entertaining one. The Matrix upped the ante with action scenes, showed us how damn well-done they can be, how to spend fx money well, and X-Men: the movie will be that much cooler for it.
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So, you think I'm a moron? I'm willing to give this movie enough of a chance. Chances are the movie won't be TOO bad, I mean, I sat through Episode I and thought it was allright. I think you aren't really a fan of anything! I think you're a poser! Resorting to insulting people just because you're protected by MILES of phoneline, and your CPU, well, If I was there in your face, you'd say nothing! Don't diss us. PERIOD. X-MEN won't bomb, but it's no titanic either. My prediction: 75mil. dollars.
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I think the MPAA is a little skittish considering all the Optic Blasts used in Columbine, or did those kids use their powers of Magnetism? I forget, but the point is, realistic depiction of superpowers is on the decline. The few that spoil it for the many.
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Would you all be saying "the trailer sucks" if you'd have seen an optic blast? I don't think so. I think that will be the effect that makes or breaks this film... if they can make Cyke's optic blasts look sufficiently cool (and with today's technology, they have no excuse not to) then they'll have a great success on their hands. On the other hand, if that sucks... this movie will bomb like TMNT 3 (ugh) or Inspector Gadget (double ugh). I sincerely hope they get it right.
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Feb 23, 2000 12:04:49 AM CST
i hate to sound like all the other whining fanboys but the trail
by sciyth
ok listen up all you dip shits who are bitchin at all these fanboys while they are in such a fragile state(we always get over emotional when the time for a comic to movie film comes out....it the fanboy period.) anyway the trailer says this film will blow harder than a white house intern and its true, use your damn common sense. example, i have never seen batman and robin why you ask?becouse i saw the trailer thats why and it was a good call from what i hear the whole damn thing was based around one *^$% joke (hey every one freeze,get it ?im mr freeze and i said freeze its so funny ha ha hahahah)oh and i like to state that the only reason i saw batman forever is becouse i was with some tramp and i really wanted to get some.....we fanboys would kill our mother just to smell the panties of a hot chic........shut up im not proud of it. well im sorry i have like no punctuation and this whole rant is a gaint run on sentence(the only true form of rant in my opinion)and im also sorry that the spelling is atroti-autrosios-atrotiosh-bad but im in a hurry, i have to finish building my bomb shelter so ill have some place to hide when this dud hits the theater.....i bid you audu?-udu?-adu?&^$&%^$%&^% bye!!
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Is my spiffy ruby quartz visor playing tricks on me, or did I just see Harry's face lick a green substance from his upper lip?
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From Captain America to the Punisher to Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D, it doesn't look like Marvel gives two shits about its property once its handed over to film producers. Seems like this boils back to the very same reason that all those artists/creators left the company to found that failed experiment, Image Comics. Their characters are property to Marvel, property that can make them money (something the company DESPERATELY needs right now). I believe McFarlane brought issue that Marvel churns out loads and loads of just plain crap in order to make up money in bulk, instead of quality. They also could have taken any kind of stance on the X-Men film (particularly costumes) that the filmmakers would have to bend to. Someone said ages ago that for the Flash TV series, the makers wanted to change Flash's suit colors, but DC beleieved in the integrity of the artistic form and pushed for the red costume, and they found a way to make it work.
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As long the film is entertaining like a comic book, it should be fine. If you're going to judge by a goddamn trailer, you're a) not a fan b) most likely one of those cappucino-chugging "art" who hate everything genre/Hollywood/corporate. As long as the film isn't a 2 hour ad for a shitty WWF metal soundtrack, it SHOULD flourish.
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The Flash TV show rocked, and if you disagree, you can stick it. I loved that show. Yes, the Flash costume from the comics DID work, they just packed muscles into it. Those shows were great! I've still got the three TV movies on video - the pilot, Revenge of the Trickster (which features Mark Hammill kicking some serious ass) and Deadly Nightshade. Why do people diss The Flash? Bring it back! (The only annoying thing was Tina McGee, the woman scientist love-interest thing - soft-spoken British females have no place on US commercial TV. Sorry.) I don't blame the X-Men filmmakers for changing the costime, because they can do what the !"
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I just love all the people who know exactly how the movie is going to be based on the trailer. I must have missed the subliminal plot description sent through the screen that everyone else seems to have gotten. If you can judge the movie and whether or not you are going to see it on that simple minute of footage then you should have your movie-viewing license revoked. Let's wait to see a real trailer and, hell, even the movie before we truly pass judgment. I'm just waiting to see the three-quarters of you who are slamming the film praise it when it is released. That alone is reason enough to see it.
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A movie trailer is part of your movie's add campagin, Right... So if we see a cleaning product on TV that doesn't clean shit are you going to buy it... If this is the best that they have to offer as far as the X-men MOVIE is concerned then I like a lot of other people will wait till i can use my free video at blockbuster to see this PEICE OF SHIT!!!
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Wow, another sarcastic wannabe comedian who takes easy potshots at the fanboy element. Truly an innovator, eh? Never seen that in a Talkback before. Seems to me that the only thing more pathetic than the stereotypical fanboy is a guy who wastes all his time thinking up insults for them. How empty is that? ********** By the way, that old Flash TV show was pretty terrible, though the effects captured his powers pretty well for a low-budget weekly. Good costume too, and a good supporting example for adapting comic book visuals more faithfully. Parting thought: is it just me or was Amanda Pays nowhere near as attractive on The Flash as she was on Max Headroom?
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NO! NO! Not the dreaded optic blasts. according to the ratings bored these things are evil, and should not be seen in a trailer.
especially when it's one of the MAIN FEATURES one of the COOL THINGS that will make people want to see this film.
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Let's face it folks... comics are on their last legs... much like the pulps, vaudeville or TV variety shows, they are soon to be a dead medium. The reason? Well, many really... changing popular tastes, the rise of the internet, eyc., but mainly comics were killed by the whole corporate, "rape and pillage for short term profit mentality." The industry doesn't just treat newcomers like garbage, but also long term pros with proven track records (i.e. the shitty way DC treated Grant Morrison, a creator of some of the best comics in the past decade and writer of the hugely popular JLA series... it got so bad that Mr. Morrison has chosen to leave the field forever).
Now don't get me wrong... I LOVE comics. My lifelong dream was to be a comic book artist. Those guys and gals are, to me, superstars. But... I've learned to face the facts. Sure there will probably still be the odd underground or alternative-type book, sure the old pros like Frank Miller will still be out there self-publishing, but I'm afraid the era of comic book as mass-market entertainment is in the back of the hearse on the way to the cemetary. Pity that. -
If you can't make a trailer make a movie look great you know you are in trouble. This mess is a prime example of what happens when you make a movie by comittee and don't get the right people for the right jobs (I for one am sick of the 90210 cookie cutter mold actors in ANYTHING! And you have to get the right director for the right film.
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Hey, I can live with the new cosutmes, there fine. I can live very comfortably with the Look of the film in general. But the movie Wolverine is 6'2" and bare chested. No unsightly hair to be found. That's just plan wrong!!! Does that sound like the little Canuckle Head we know and love!! No, dammit, it doesn't!!!
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The rumors on the optic blasts is bullshit, its insane. peoples heads getting removed in movies but someones concerned about a red light? ah the internet. some idiot types something 3000 miles away and its set in stone. As far as what any of us here think what the movie will do, it means zero, nothing. Every fanboy on this site could bash the movie to hell and guess what, the rest of the universe couldnt care less and doesnt even know. My friends only know, hey an x men movie is coming out? cool! We can type our essays on why wigs and optic blasts suck and convince ourselves that no one will go see the movie, but we here at aicn talkback make up oh, .0000000000001 percent of nothing of the movie going community. The rest of the world sees rumors on the net and laughs knowing its all a bunch of crap. See the movie. Itll probably suck, but then again, it might not. Its still months away. wigs dont make a movie, optic blasts dont make a movie. pacing, dialogue, some sort of realism despite its fantastic nature,all these things that we have NO IDEA of will make or break the movie. who cares. its a movie.
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I sent this link to Harry, but he hasn't posted it:
http://AmericanMule.com/x-men/
Lots of really cool studio test pics. Nice and clear, speedy download. Dunno where they got 'em.
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Logan being painfully levitated...the police cars getting thrashed...Sabertooth being electrocuted...and Mystique's bare ass are all worse than Cyclops' optic blast? All of the above were in the trailer, so what could be so unacceptable about the optic blasts? This I *gotta* see...
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The trailer as a whole is pretty poor, sure. But can you fanboys and X-Geeks imagine if the the Web was up and running in the late 70's? Jesus, there'd be no rest. "Will Ridley Scott really do a good job with Alien? That trailer with the bug comin' out of the guys' chest sucked so bad!" or "Vinnie Barbarino in a disco film?" or "I saw the wires on Superman and Brando, go home." All that aside, at that time, we wouldn't be able to see Harry stick out his tongue on a Commodore PET. It would've probably been replaced with a greater than sign. Nevertheless, about the Marvel slaves, what else are going to say? They wouldn't be satisfied unless it was exactly like a comic. All of us should know that no matter how good the script and director is, they still have to answer to the bottom line. I really need Stone Cold to punctuate that. Fat Baldwin out of gas.
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I still think this film will be good, and I'm keeping with my optimism. But, this movie could and should have been absolutely killer, had Fox given the crew more time...
Right now, Singer and crew are struggling with post production and like it was said, they're trying to get test screenings for April and press screenings for May. So, if this film doesn't work out too well, don't place the blame too far on the cast and crew of this flick. Making a film, especially one this demanding, is NOT easy in such a short time span. Don't you wish film execs today would pull their heads out of their asses? -
The X-MEN will be a great film. I read the comics, and will see the movie. I am going to enjoy it. S what if it isn't going to be a panel-to-frame adaption of the CLAREMONT/BYRNE comics. You people should think of this as a "WHAT-IF?..." or "ELSEWORLDS" comic. Love it because it is coming to the big screen.
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...what the fuck? Optic blasts are grounds for PG-13 rating? That means the whole damn movie must be rated R, sweeet! I can hear it now, Wolvie pops his claws at Sabretooth and growls "Come get some, bitch!" Seriously, what in the hell could be the reasoning for this ban on Slim's power? And since when does a trailer have to be rated PG? I know we've all seen those preview screens with the blood red background that say "the following preview has been approved for RESTRICTED AUDDIENCES by the Motion Picture Association of Assholes," or something like that. Whatever, the MPAA and other censorship boards stopped making sense to me a loooooong time ago. Actually, I hope the film does inculde at least a moderate amount of profanity, it makes the characters more realistic (that is the feel we're going for, right?) As far as whether or not the film will be good, I'm going to say what I said in an earlier thread. I don't really give a shit if it does well at the box office or if some fat ass, paid off film critic likes it. If the movie rocks for me, then that's all that matters. Whether or not a film is good always has been and always will be a matter of personal oppinion. Finally, to Mr. Grumpy and all the other fan boy bashers out there...we're watching you. That's all, fuck off. WAIT, some back, I forgot something. I liked the Flash pilot movie, but to me the rest was pretty mediocre, not bad, but not really good either. And the reason his costume was able to be translated well was because it was red. Darker colors can come across better on film, and you'll notice that the TV costume was indeed a darker red than the bright, technicolor suit of the comics. Maybe if the X-Peoples were wearing BLUE leather instead.....NOW fuck off!
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Its such a shame how we live in a time when the general public won't even aknowledge a comic's existence unless it's made into a movie. Like whenever a comic does really well all it leads to is MOVIE speculation, rumors, etc... It's a shame really. Like when fans get mad that the Watchmen movie never got made. What was wrong with the book? Comics are just an under-apreciated medium because of all the stupid Spandex, Big gun, clenched teeth........ (Calm down Nymbus7)...... Sorry, got off on a rant. I don't think comic movies shouldn't be made (I even think X-Men might be good) but I just think it's a shame that people dont see Sequential Art the same way they see books or movies. I'm an ex-Kubert student (XQB) myself, (in fact I was in your year Lord Shell remember me?) And I just hate to see all the hard work people pour into these books get stereotyped as "Kids Stuff" when in other countries comic artists are treated with respect. Ah well.....Even if the Movie sux we can still go back to our comics, and that should be plenty, right? Just my two cents. =)
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Fox is right in their approach to the movie, but wrong in their approach to the trailer/teaser. Anyone who saw the trailer in a theatre must agree ... dead silence greeted it (except for myself and two friends clapping).
Ask friends who do not currently buy the X-Men comics, instead of obsessive fanboys. You may be shocked to learn they have no interest in this movie, if they even know it exists - not because Storm has a bad wig, but because they DON'T care. At least Fox was smart enough to focus on long-time characters (Rogue is the newest from way back in the Avengers Annual), so people who read during the good old days can relate (e.g. no Gambit or other new characters).
The X-Men are not Superman or Batman with universal awareness and appeal. Hell, they aren't even Spiderman. Fox better run an introduction campaign, because the 2 million readers of the X-Men are nowhere near enough to make a film that costs $100 million a hit, even if they all see it many times.
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The pictures are terrible. Way to drop the ball fellas...
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First of all, anyone who can judge an entire movie based on a 60 second clip is deranged. They are still working on the effects and I can assure you that whatever comes out, it will be at the least entertaining. I'm going to see the movie and all of you are going to see it too, so just submit your will to the power of the studios. They have us all!! It's too late to exercise freewill. Pay your money and shut up!
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I just looked at the pictures posted on the American Mule site and they looked okay. The only one that sucked was Storm. Wolverine, Toad and Mystique looked great. True, if I were directing the moview, I wouldn't have done the leather costumes, but luckily I'm not. I've never understood the fascination that superheroes are supposed to have with multi-colored spandex costumes. I'd think that they'd prefer something a little more subdued. I'm sure that all of you hated it when Spidey used the black symbiot upon returning from the Secret Wars because it wasn't the blue and red that we had grown up with. I thought it was great and much more realistic. I hate you all.
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Feb 23, 2000 11:06:32 AM CST
Cormorant, something tells me Mr.Grumpy is a fabrication of the
by niiiice
Ever notice that he only addresses BigLarz and DanMauzFanClub in his posts, two talkbackers who don't get all that much attention (well BigLarz contributes positively, but DMFC just tries too hard to be controversial).
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Feb 23, 2000 11:12:16 AM CST
Sad but true...all about the benjamins for those suits up at Mar
by dennis
I mean, look at what a travesty Image was. They tried to do their own thing and in the end they just cashed in too. Not that the stories and characters weren't going south (Liefeld should be glad he's still working), but they barely had a chance! Wildstorm gets bought by DC, much to my chagrin. And they won't pay you $hit to pour your heart into these things. Working as a comic book artist these days is a labor of love. McFarlane was smart. He did it the right way, and I doubt it was easy, but you've got to build it from the ground up and build it yourself if you don't want to get raped by these companies. I say any creator who was screwed (Jerry Siegel) take action and get your creation BACK, for better or for worse.
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remember the days when people waited until after they saw the movie to say that it sucked... dude y'all chill out, eat some pussy, smoke a fat J, drop some ecstacy, do some acid, something... there ain't a damn thing you can do about it now... besides even after it comes out there's gonna be people who love it and people who think it's absolute shit, look at how people react to the Matrix... there called opinions people, they're like assholes, everybody got one... do me favor everyone, go get some pussy please, even if you have to pay, I'm not saying that you can't, I don't know any of you guys, but go get some. And if ass is your pleasure go get that then. Just get something.
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Hugh Jackman is so god-@#%n HOT in that outfit!!! It actually looks pretty similar to the one he has worn in the comic recently. There is a god after all...I think Halle Berry also looks freakin' sexy as all get out. Mystique looks insane, and the blue with yellow eyes contrast really looks good - it stands out. Toad looks gross, but I'm hoping he will be in little of the film. The changes with Toad do not bother me at all. This character was pretty ridiculous to begin with, the court jester outfit and all. These costumes actually look pretty wearable. The actors look comfortable in them. Man, I am soooo looking forward to this film!
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Feb 23, 2000 11:53:48 AM CST
Thanks to all those people who are willing to give this film a c
by superninja
I can't believe a bunch of people who follow movies so closely, who live and breath it, can't tell that what we saw was an unfinished product. For an effects-driven film, there was a surprising lack of CGI in the trailer. Myself, I prefer it that way. I think CGI can be a detriment (EP1 anyone?). But from interviews and leaks, Singer seems like he wants to tell a story here, and I can appreciate that. What I'm really concerned about is the editing of the film -- the studio chopping the film to death to make it more "accessible" to the audience. NOW THAT could make it a disaster, and test screening after test screening could really damage the quality and cohesiveness of the film. I was really pissed when I learned that ET had cut up the trailer before they aired it, because man did it deflated the synergy of the thing! When I downloaded the complete trailer from the official site, I got a whole different feel.
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It's been said before, but really: if every time you license a product to a film studio they turn it into a crappy movie, and yet you keep licensing things, who is really to blame? If you _know_ that, given free rein, studio execs will slop 15-minute fame actors and enormous explosions onto a terrible script, and you go ahead and let them run amok, it's your own damn fault! When X-Men tanks, the last people you should blame are the writers, directors, etc. They made a bad movie, but chances are they _always_ do. Blame Marvel, the people who allowed another one of their creations to be subjected to the treatment, who yet again failed to exercise anything resembling creative control. Unless Marvel views its own creations as investments and not coupons redeemable for $65 million gross receipts, we'll be continually inundated with fire-and-forget films that age like slam poetry. Sure, you may clear $15 million in the end, but you'll have killed any chance of getting any more money in the future. Ever. Do I know what would make a good X-men film? No. However, I do know that Marvel has seen enough of its films go down in flames that it can't be excused by hiding behind incompetent studio execs.
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Feb 23, 2000 12:52:39 PM CST
I've been feeling very sorry for Brian Singer for a while now...
by the kid
He has to make a kick-ass film about a classic comic book. He has to make a kick-ass film about a classic comic book with a fairly stingy budget. He has to make a kick-ass film about a classic comic book with a stingy budget, psychotic fans, bad buzz, minimal post-production time, and now the very comic itself depending on the outcome? I hope for his sake the film really does kick much ass.
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I had been debating which spelling what right. It's the "y", isn't it. Oh well, the meaning is still there.
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Presumably Marvel, when signing on, was at least able to read the script (even if they didn't have any formal approval.) Therefore, if they don't like what's been done with THE X-MEN, they should've spoke up sooner, right? Unless it's just the visuals they dislike.
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Comedian? I'm not trying to impress you pal. And taking easy pot-shots at fanboys is like kicking the crap out of a cripple. Don't know why exactly but it sounds like a fitting metaphor. I just tell it like it is, I'm not trying to amuse you. Considering that 90 percent of you here are lame ass fanboys I'm willing to bet that I'm amusing very little of you. I just love the reactions when big dorks like yourselves come face to face with reality as I present it.
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BigLarz is lame, DMFC's a sell-out, DarthPsycotic is the man, and the rest of you have an open invitation to SUCK IT!
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Maybe you weren't reading the same articles I did, but SInger never claimed to be a life long fan only when he started reading the comics did he gain an appreciation for it. Do a bunch of you guys just skim through everything because that's that's the feeling I'm getting here. Damn MTV sensibilities.
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I wasn't praising McFarlane for his creative panache, I was praising him for being smart enought to keep all the rights to his characters. I agree with you that McFarlane and Liefeld (him ESPECIALLY) couldn't write a creative story if it bit them in the @$$.
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Good points, but I wasn't exactly praising McFarlane. You've pointed out the problems with the creative side of the industry, while the transition from book to film is largely the responsibility of the bigwigs and coroporate guys. They see money signs instead of characters. D.C. took a stance about the creative integrity of its books, Marvel seems to very liberal minded when it comes to this. Now, there's this thing about it being Bryan Singer's X-Men, people are saying its his movie, therefore he gets to decide how to portray them. This is true up to a point. A director doesn't have to be an auteur in everything. Totally altering someone else's creation is somewhat selfish.
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Oh, come on! You can only delude yourselves so far. This movie is GOING TO SUCK. Note how this whole article above is carefully planned SPIN-CONTROL! Ever notice how many 'bad' reports are de-bunked on this site as being false? Let's face it. Movies, for the most part, SUCK nowadays because America has become a bunch of bored losers with nothing better to do than go out and watch films. Their standards have gone so astromically low to the point of just wanting to see something happening on a big movie screen. Kinda of like a baby staring at the pendulum of a clock, but it costs 8 bucks. If X number of people with X amount of free time go to X number of movies 'for something to do', then the movies will make X amount of dollars. Sure, crappy movies came out in the olden days, but, on the same token, when was the last time Hollywood pulled a Casablanca out of it's ass? Old style movies that were good without excessive violence or SHOCK VALUE. (shock value being the reason why every other movie lately has a masturbation scene.) I don't even care about Gladiator. Is it REALLY going to be better than Ben-Hur? I highly doubt it! I can't think of any movies of late that I would find myself watching in 10 years. Not even really good stuff like Toy Story 2 or the Matrix. Not even that. Maybe Babe...
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The state of the comics industry as reflected by those who are "in charge" (at least of the larger comic publishing houses-Marvel & DC) is really a sad one. I mean there's still good comics being done these days its just that they're burried under more and more crap on the store shelves. I'm a comic artist working on a monthly book right now (not for Marvel or DC though) but I've talked to enough friends in the industry to know that the fear the artists at Marvel have is a legitimate one. Avi Arad, the new Marvel Chairman (formerly in charge of Toybiz which aquired Marvel and Marvel Entertainment afer they declared Chapter One) in his first interview since recieving that position was asked something to the effect of "What's your plan of attack to help Marvel out of Chapter One?" His response was "We plan to market the hell out of these characters!!!!" ...The higher up execs at Marvel don't give a flying F##K about the actual comics. In their minds comics are just idea fodder for Cartoons, Toys, Video Games and Movies (the stuff that makes the "REAL" money)the First few Things Arad was responsible for "marketing" was Blade (so/so) and Spiderman Unlimited and the Avengers Cartoon (One show that was so bad it got canceled after just 3 episodes and another that's just as bad and should be cancelled). Face it folks, the X-Men movie is really going to SUCK. There was no care or thought put into making it a classic/memorable movie. The only thing the X-Men movie is going to good for is taking that 8 dollars out of everyone's pockets and putting into Avi Arad's hands so he can go on to F##K up Spiderman on the big screen. (And Anyone who saw that GOD AWFUL sequence of Wolverine looking like he was "floating" around the Statue of Liberty can agree with me on that!)
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I am sick and tired of the nay-sayers calling people who have hope for this movie morons. I know half the people who post in this board are pre-pubescent fan-boys who cream over the thought of an X-men movie living up to their wet-dreams. You cant alwasys get waht you want. Not going to see a movie or bashing a movie because of a wig or no optic blast is silly. First Cyclops is being attacked, thus he never gets off the blast. I mean what kind of age have we come to that everyone analyzes fucking 60 seconds of footage and declare the movie is gonna suck. Personally I am going to see the movie either way. Noone and I mean noone is gonna sway my opinion. No, 12 year old fan boy- naysayer is gonna influence me to not see this movie or even buy it when it comes out. It aint gonna me a mystery men, because it is not gonna try and be funny. My overall point is too keep the negative comments to yourself. If you keep it up all this board is gonna turn into is a war of supporters and naysayers.
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Mr grumpy why do you want to discredit people who enjoy a certain series of comic books, SO far as i can figure you wouldnt be ont hsi site if you were not a fanboy of something or other..Or your just a poopy head...either way you suck
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If I they had an emergency reshoot casting Gary Coleman as Wolverine and Pele as Magneto, and if Bryan Singer had to bow out and leave the completion in the hands of director Steven Seagal I'd still go see it. I'd see it for the same reason I saw The Phantom on opening day, and the reason I own a copy of The Punisher. I love Superhero movies. Something about those people who'll stop at nothing to protect a complete strangers life. Aside from the BIG BIG bias, I'll put some faith in Ed Solomon and Chris McQuarrie, fantastic writers who's work can't be summed up in sixty seconds. It's the filmmakers who's work can be summed up in sixty seconds (dickhead Michael Bay and dickhead Renny Harlin) that I despise.
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Some guy mentioned that comics are dead. You got that right. Editors know this. Their all wondering where to get their next meal ticket from. When this movie comes out and sucks ass...all the things that you find wrong with it, are gonna e the same things that are wrong with comics. Its run by people that have no idea what comics are, or how to write them. And right now Marvel need a another shitty movie like bush needs to lose another primary. This shitty movie is going to force them into bankruptcy again, since all the money they make is from spider man and X-men crap.
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I liked Howard the Duck, and The Punisher, and Phantom Menace, and Mystery Men! Unlike many posters on this site I am not some anal retentive tight ass fan boy who wants everything on the page to be on the stage, or screen in this case. I don't know where I stand in the comic book fan hierarchy, but I know it's not with the fan boys, and it sure as hell aint with the holier than thou, artsy critic, kiss my ass cause my shit don't stink, naysayers! I'm looking forward to this movie now more than ever, (almost a 20 year wait!!!) Now, kindly fuck off (^_^)
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I've actually looked into this a little further and the MPAA seems to be justified in cutting the optic blasts from the trailer. What the scene actually shows is Cyclops shooting that red fury right in Jubilee's glory hole, all wet and glistening. Singer is going to add some CGI Morlocks into the scene to obscure the penetration. I'm hot for the DVD release. I hear the optic blasts are ribbed for her pleasure.
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Yo. I am totally sick of everyone(well almost) bitchin' and complaining about how this movie will suck. And how do these people come to the conclusion? Because the trailer sucked? If you judged every movie on thier trailer most of us would never see a movie. Most movies have crappy trailers! And the few that have good ones suck ass when u see the whole thing. And for you who think that they didnt cast the right people? Well maybe u guys should actually watch some films that they have been in and actually look for the subtle acting techniques they will bring to a director that thirves on the little things. Am I the only one that saw Apt Pupil or some little movie called THE USUAL SUSPECTS! like for people who claim to be the biggest X-Men fans you seem to have little faith. And although we have a right to be pissed with what Hollywood has made out of our comic heroes...B&R and so on... You should have faith i the fact that look at the true actors they have casted. They have a great ensemble cast. Ian McKellen as Magneto? That is too awesome. Patrick Stewart as Prof X? Is there anything that would have made you guys any happier? Dammit stop bitching untill you actually SEE the movie. None of you have any idea how good or shitty this movie will be. Granted it could be a spectacular piece of shit but ya know what? Look what they have done so far. They have gottena a very good cast kept the budget "low" for a very big(It *could* be) movie. And before I go and you write back to me in hateful terms I have just one last thing to say...and it is about the costumes. All you that bitch about it being too far away from the comic let me ask you something and answer honestly! If you were walking down the street and you saw some 6'0 200lbs built guy walking towards you in a blue spandex suit and yellow tights on would anby of you be the least bit afraid? HELL NO! You'd most likely throw money at him. Think about it they want a movie that could be real. Not a movie that you know is fake. And that is what you have to ask yourself. Do you want a 2hour comic book or do you want a 2hour movie with character development with potential for a great franchise? If this movie fails it will probably be our only chance to see our hereos in the flesh. I must admit since Cyclops is my favourite hero in the world I will be pissed if you nay sayers bitch so much that everyone dosen't go. But I know July 14 I will be there first in line. I hope the rest of you will to but I doubt you will. I have more but it is doubtful you've read this far. If I get enough complain about how much of an asshole/voice of the people I am then I will write more email me at cujo142@hotmail.com
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Just here to test out my new user ID and password, but I'm also here to say that, besides the underwhelming Cyclops get-up, those costumes rule. Granted, I don't really read the X-Men comic book and rarely watched the show, so I don't know how the costumes compare. However, these look great for a MOVIE of the X-Men. This is not a comparison, folks. Get the idea of the comic book out of your head, because the movies are almost never the same. Be ready for NEW X-Men, ones that will spell Hollywood Gold! Of course, the movie may be aperfect representation, but what the hell do I care? I can't wait!
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I tell you at least what all the wolverine fans out there want!! For them to get a better actor!! How could they pick that little austrailian sissy to be wolverine!?!?In the comics(And just about everywhere else....)wolverine is pumped up!!While hugh jackman is a skinny little girlie man!!! I think Kurt Russel Would have been good(Snake from "escape from L.A.").He has the looks,muscles,cool voice,height(wolvie being around 5 ft 7 in AND kurt being a close 5 ft 9 in).And If he would'nt,well **I KNOW**he would be at least be a better choice than what they have now!!!
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Mickey I also love THE FLASH,specially the first TV movie which I absolutely want on VIDEO DVD,along with some Marvel Comics TV animations and SUPERMAN THE MOVIE & 2.
NOW WHEN ARE THE AVENGERS EVER GETTING ON THE BIG SCREEN;I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE CAPTAIN AMERICA SAY THESE FAMOUS WORDS,
"AVENGERS ASSEMBLE"
AND THE MIGHTY THOR,IRON MAN AND OTHERS WOULD RESPOND TO THE CALL OF THE GREATEST TEAM LEADER AND WORLD GREATEST SUPER HERO.
A CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIE WOULD ALSO BE GREAT,BUT WITH COLORED COSTUMES,OK MARVEL,AND NOT LIKE THE CRAP CAP & SON DONE IN THE PAST,BUT THE ORIGIN OF THE HERO IN WORLD WAR 2.
A MIGHTY THOR MOVIE WOULD ALSO BE NICE
AN IRON MAN MOVIE WOULD ALSO BE NICE,BUT THAT'S OLD NEWS,EVERYONE KNOWS NEW LINES PICTURES IS ONTO THIS ONE AS WE SPEAK;I JUST HOPE THEY DON'T FORGET IRON MAN'S ARMOR IS A REDISH BROWN & GOLD,WHILE WAR MACHINE'S ARMOR IS SILVER & BLACK,AND THE MANDARIN LOOKS BETTER WITH GREEN.
AS FOR THE X-MEN MOVIE,I WAS NOT SURE ABOUT IT AT FIRST AFTER SEEING THOSE FIRST INTERNET PICTURES,BUT THE RECENT TRAILER COMPLETELY CHANGED MY MIND AND THE MOVIE IS NOW A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME ALONG WITH MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2,BATTLEFIELD EARTH AND MISSION TO MARS.FROM WHAT I SAW OF THE X-MEN TRAILER,IT FEELS PRETTY MUCH LIKE THE BLADE MOVIE WHICH I LIKED VERY MUCH.OF COURSE A BIT MORE COLORFUL COSTUMES WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER,BUT THERE'S ALWAY THE SEQUEL.CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT FOX DOES NEXT WITH THE FANTASTIC FOUR FROM WHAT I HEARD THE STORY IS VERY GOOD AND IT REALLY IMPRESSED 20TH CENTURY FOX.AND LETS NOT FORGET THE SILVER SURFER MOVIE A BIT LATER AFTER THAT.
COOL SUPER HERO MOVIES,IT'S ABOUT TIME.
NOW IF ONLY DC COMICS COULD WAKE UP AND MAKE
**** GREEN LANTERN THE MOVIE ****
******** FLASH THE MOVIE ********
* SUPERMAN DEATH & REBITH MOVIE *
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Glenn Danzig is Wolverine...
and he got hosed.
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It seems to me that all films that have included the statue of Liberty has been disappointing, for example Judge Dredd and Ghostbusters 2.
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I've seen the pics of the X-Men costumes and they're not . . . .TOO bad. I understand you can't translate comics to movies exactly, but the only thing I would have done to improve the design is to have at least the proper color codes (Jean Grey: green and gold; Cyclops: blue and yellow; Storm: black w/yellow striping, etc.). I haven't seen any previews of the movie so I'll hold comments in that area . . . for now.
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Kurt Russel as Wolverine? Are you on some BAD! Crack! What is wrong with you? Seriosuly? I want you to get help for your problem. No way is he the right actor. First of all he is way too old to be playing a...are you ready for this? YOUTHFUL!! Wolvie. They cast Russel and throws off whole casting scheme. Second? Jackman is...from what I hear a fine actor. Russel? well he is a nice guy but he is not an actor. Sorry to all those fans of his out there but I see him more of Batman(Hope I just didn't start a rumour.) then Wolverine. Look at the preview for X-Men, look at the preview pics for X-Men. Does he not look like Wolverine? Look at the facial he has. That IS Wolverine! I will be the first to admit that he was not my first choice but he is looking like a perfect choice for Wolvie to me. To me everyone looks great as there characters. Well except Jean Grey Famke Janssen is too old for James Marsden. But you never know. And I think that Wolvie's costume looks very good on Jackman. I will gaurentee that he will surprise you. Jackman has done work in Les Miserables and The Phantom in Australlia. What has Russell done? Oh yeah Escape from New York and his big dramatic piece? Backdraft? Come on get serious. As usual my email is cujo142@hotmail.com my ICQ# is 55246574 that is for anyone who would wish to have a good conversation about this subject. Lates.
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hiya all...
I was just wonderin if youve heard any news of the id4 sequel if so please send us an E-mail because im just sittin here wonderin who's gonna be in it and who's gonna direct it, what it's gonna be about & if it's even gonna come out at all!...
So if you know anything about this "RUMOR" then please give me an E-mail A.S.A.P. (A.S.A.P means AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!
Thanx...
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I'm from the Philippines and I've been waiting for this movie ever since I read the Dark Phoenix Saga in the 5th grade. I don't care if this movie sucks...I'm still gonna see it and recommend it to my friends. The fact that a 21 year old guy from a Third World Asian country like me is gonna see this movie attests to the universal appeal of the X-men. That's why I don't think this movie will bomb.It's not going to be an entirely bad movie either.....Bryan Singer and Ian McKellan.....when have these two people ever made a bad movie? If this movie is gonna be only half as as good as the Usual Suspects..it will still be better and more interesting than your usual comic book movie. Can you imagine the amount of attention this film is gonna get from the movie press? ...Bryan Singer and Ian mcKellan doing an action film....The upcoming hype alone will draw any movie lover, guaranteeing a big opening weekend. Also, don't underestimate the awareness generated by the X-men animated series to a whole new generation of children and adults that never heard of the comic book. Those people are gonna watch the movie along with their parents and friends....so all those people who say that only "fanboys" are gonna watch this movie are dead wrong. I have faith in this movie and I hope that it will open in the Philippines soon!
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