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Quint calls West of Memphis the definitive West Memphis Three Documentary! Sundance 2012!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I’m in an odd position with this film since I’ve been on the ground with Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh with the Hobbit reports as they’ve been gearing up for their big premiere. As a result I was able to talk to many people involved about the documentary way in advance.

So, I understand if you think there’s a bias when I say West of Memphis is the definitive West Memphis Three documentary, but it’s my honest reaction.

 

 

I’ve been championing Paradise Lost since before the second film was released and I can’t tell you how surreal it was to see John Mark Byers and Pam Hobbs in the attendance. In fact, there was a fascinating mix of emotional West Memphis Three supporters (before the movie started I saw one blonde woman literally cry at the sight of Damien Echols and asked if she could give him a hug) and complete newbies to the case. There was even a guy that my pal Kraken heard in the richie-badge line (expensive express festival badges) who said he didn’t know anything about the case, but how sick it was that three child killers got off because Eddie Vedder asked them to.

As usual with most high profile festivals there are a great many older socialites that attend not because they’re particularly huge movie fans, but because it’s something to do. Many of those types were in the crowd, much of Echols’ defense team was there and the rest were a mix of standard movie addicts and WM3 supporters.

The very first question I’ve gotten on Twitter and in person since seeing the film was “is it better than Paradise Lost?” That’s impossible to answer. There’s nothing that can compete with that first Paradise Lost film on any level. The impact it had on spreading the word on this horrific case, the way it PUT you in that courtroom and the fly-on-the-wall feeling of being on the ground as that initial trial was underway will never be topped and West of Memphis doesn’t try to.

What it does instead is lay out the crime, the city, the hysteria at the time and all the key players in the ensuing clusterfuck of litigation in the most detailed, yet easy to swallow way yet put before the eyes of the public.

Those 150 minutes are dense, but didn’t drag, even for someone like me who knows a lot of the details of the case. Director Amy Berg seemed to go out of her way to not use the same news video from 1994 that was used in the Paradise Lost films and only went back to that well-used trial footage for a few key moments, usually as a means of comparing the new evidence to the original claims by the prosecution.

From where I was sitting, I believe the film has five main threads. The Intro, The Update, The Love Story, The Finger-Pointing and The Future.

The intro sets up the broad scenario as it was originally reported in 1993. Three young, innocent children were found brutally murdered in West Memphis, Arkansas. The police announce they have three suspects in custody, one of them has a confession and the leader is an 18 year old Satanic cultist.

It’s a very smart way of opening the film because it acts as a refresher of what the fervor was at the time of the trial for those that already know the case and it sets the stage for those that don’t know it. In fact, it sets them up to get caught up in that fervor, too. The police say they did it, the state is trying them for it, one of them confessed, one is a quiet type and one’s a flashy dark haired kid that doesn’t seem to be taking any of this seriously. Shit, these guys fit the bill, don’t they?

Gradually the intro expands as the victim’s families spend time describing their children and the officials tell their sides of the story, some of them still to this day convinced they were in the right and the three men behind bars are the ones who killed those children. Through family photos and the tears of the parents they left behind Stevie Branch, Michael Moore and Christopher Byers become more than just crime scene bodies. Those shots make you flinch, are really hard to view and were never comfortable viewing. But this is the first time I’ve felt like I got a feel for their personalities.

There’s also a lot more on the families of the victims themselves, including one of the most heartbreaking parts of the documentary for me, introducing us to Amanda Hobbs, brother to Stevie Branch. She was a toddler when he died, but what happened to the family afterwards has severely traumatized her to the point that she has become a shattered adult. She’s shown to be the kind of person you just want to hug and tell her it’ll be alright, especially when you find out more about her father.

The Update is more a focus on the defense, the lawyers that have been working pro-bono, the evidence that didn’t quite match up at the time and then the new evidence uncovered as Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh became involved. Jackson appears on camera, but the focus is more on what was uncovered by the money he donated to the defense’s investigation, with a huge focus on experts coming back with animal predation and the results of the DNA testing.

 

 

The animal predation section in particular is shocking. It’s one thing to hear that turtles could have caused the mutilation on the bodies, but it’s another thing to see evidence of it, to see a man take a turtle bite on the arm and see how it lines up exactly like the mutilation on the kids. The Update is the biggest focus of the doc and the next part, The Love Story, entwines with it. This basically shows us Damien and his wife Lorri Davis, what they’re like as a couple, how they support each other while Damien rots in prison and she fights every day to bring attention to his case, hoping to beat the clock as Damien inches closer and closer to death by lethal injection.

Much like getting a feeling of who the murdered children were at the beginning of the movie, I feel like people are going to know just who Lorri and Damien are as people. Jessie Misskelley and Jason Baldwin don’t get much screentime until the end of the doc, so we don’t really get to know them the same way, unfortunately, but I’d imagine that’d make this already long film too much.

The Finger-Pointing comes on the tail end of the new evidence presented as a strand of hair was uncovered in the knot of one of the bindings on the children does not match any of the men convicted of the crime. It has to match somebody and criminal profiler John Douglas breaks down the evidence and shifts the focus to another suspect.

While I will say Berg takes great efforts to get everybody’s side of the story, getting interviews with the unmoving Judge David Burnett and much of the prosecution team, she doesn’t shy away from accusing Terry Hobbs, one of the boys’ stepfathers, and spends a lot of the latter part of the doc on him.

There’s no question as to what her thoughts were, but they were backed up almost clinically by the specialists brought on to the case.

For those that have seen Paradise Lost 3, this is where the majority of the overlap between the two films lays, with this man under a microscope, but Berg was able to go a little deeper, actually finding new testimony and new witnesses that are kind of mindblowing. A whole new trail of evidence is uncovered and I won’t tell you what that is so it’s a surprise when you eventually see the film, but it’s pretty damning stuff.

The Future takes us through the Alford Plea taken by the West Memphis Three, explores why they took it and how that still effects their lives. We don’t get much past their release because it just happened… there were interviews from two weeks ago in the documentary if my eyes weren’t deceiving me… but this is where we get to see more of Misskelley and Baldwin, who gets a particular poignant moment with his best friend and mother post-release.

It’s a bittersweet ending because these men are finally released, finally able to start their lives again, but still have the cloud of felony murder convictions hanging over them.

 

 

In two and a half hours we get to know dozens of people, get a rundown of the state’s evidence, a thorough dissection of their case by respected professionals, a beat by beat, evidence by evidence counter-argument and a case made against someone else. There’s nothing vague about this doc. There will always be unanswered questions, but the film is systematic in breaking down Hobbs’ alibi, establishing a history of violence, establishing a motive and introducing new witnesses that place him with the boys within the window of time in which they disappeared.

So, when I say it’s the definitive documentary, that’s not a slam on Joe Berlinger and Bruce Sinofsky, who have made three great films about the case, including the most important film of any of them with that first documentary, but an honest assessment of Amy Berg’s work. She’s taking a long view and doesn’t shy away from the emotional moments. She’s also not afraid to let the counter arguments be made and gives a lot of time to those who disagree with the belief that the state of Arkansas was in the wrong.

This is the film that you put in front of someone when they say “The West Memphis Three? What’s that?” This is the film you show to those people like the man in line, who heard about the case and think the police probably got the right people and if it wasn’t for those stupid meddling Hollywood types they would be in jail where they belong! This is the film you show people who know the case and need to get fired up to finish the fight and get these men fully exonerated, which paves the way for the new suspect, the one who has a hundred times more motive and evidence against him than any of these three guys did, to be tried. It’s a film that covers all the bases as thoroughly as if it was its own trial and we were the jury. It’s a film that needs to be seen.

No word yet on if it has been picked up, but I can’t imagine we won’t see it getting distribution by the end of Sundance. I know it’s headed to the Santa Barbara Film Festival next week and will be on the fest circuit for the next few months, but I’d be shocked if we don’t see this getting a big release of some kind.

You’ve seen pictures throughout this piece from the Q&A afterwards featuring Amy Berg, Peter, Fran, Damien as well as a few of the defense lawyers, who fielded some of the legal questions in ways that lawyers do (“Is there any way for the WM3 to file a civil lawsuit against the State of Arkansas after taking the Alford Plea?” “No.”).

 

 

It should also be noted that Damien and Lorri received a standing ovation from the entire crowd when they were brought up. As famous as Peter Jackson is, it wasn’t him and Fran who got this reception.

 

 

During the Q&A Damien pointed out both Pam Hobbs, who he sat down with for the very first time the night before, and John Mark Byers. My stupid camera decided it didn’t like the focus or something, so I missed a great shot as Byers stood up and waved to the audience, but I’ll show you the shot my camera did decide was good enough to actually allow the shutter to snap:

 

 

Oh well, there goes my photojournalism award for a fancy shot of Byers with Damien out of focus behind him. Thanks Nikon!

Hope that read alright. It’s now almost 4:00am and I have to be up in about four hours for another full day of movies, so I get to pull the “exhausted and bleary-eyed” card if I rambled too much or left in more typos than usual.

Tomorrow brings the Frank Langella teams up with a robot to pull off one last heist flick Robot & Frank, Bradley Cooper in The Words, teenage romance flick The First Time and the Kate Bosworth thriller Black Rock! Stay tuned!

-Eric Vespe
”Quint”
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  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Quint - The hardest working writer onAICN

    by cool

    Hope you get paid well dude.. you are the only reason I still come to AICN

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    I wonder if...

    by JethroBodine

    I wonder if Peter Jackson had to pay for 2 plane tickets to get there instead of one???????? Talk amongst yourselves.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    @hodgebodkins

    by Tank Williams

    Where did you see paradise? I was hoping it was on Netflix...

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Paradise 3 is on HBO right now

    by The Funketeer

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Quint, have you seen this WM3 video?

    by Talkbacker with no name

    You'll like it: http://www.clintonschoolspeakers.com/lecture/view/west-memphis-three-past-present-and-future/

  • Every day going to and from work I pass the site where the dead boys were found. I also have talked with West Memphis residents who say they will NEVER believe the WM3 are innocent, no matter what evidence to the contrary there might be. Every ugly stereotype you hear about anti-intellectualism in the Deep South is absolutely true.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I'm curious how many talkbackers will even chime in on this.

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    Matters of social justice tend to me lost on most of these dimwits.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Quint, I finally saw Black Power Mixtape 1976-1985!

    by Huey_Freemans_afro

    It was brilliant and startling. Most of the ppl talking shit in the comments sections (everywhere, including here) are either idiots and/or racists.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I didn't know Peter Jackson was friends with Sarah Palin ?!?! :-)

    by TheMaskedSombrero

  • ...Case closed!"

  • ...horrifying!

  • Jan. 21, 2012, noon CST

    I realize they're most likely innocent...

    by SebastianHaff

    But Echols comes off like kind of a douche with the sunglasses inside and the teenage goth clothes. That shit stops being cool after you turn 16. <br><p> Also, has anyone ever asked him why he bragged to those girls (something he admits doing) that he killed three little boys? Why would you lie about that? <br><p> Oh yeah, because teenage goth kids fucking suck. If I had been accused of something as heinous as he was, I really would've dropped the spooky nerd act. He did himself no favors. <br><p> And I say that as the kid who spent high school with dyed black hair and Cannibal Corpse t-shirts. I'm a cunt, too! <br><p> I'm really much more interested in the other two boys, rather than Neo.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Sabastionhaff

    by eric haislar

    He has to wear glasses because his eye site is fucked from being in doors and a 4 foot cell for 20 years. Really he lost most of his visi

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    by eric haislar

    Damn iph

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    by eric haislar

    Anyway.....that's why he has dark glasses. It's not a fashion statement.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    jessie is retarded

    by unclejoe

    he didnt lie...he was pushed into giving a false confession 12 hours of interrogation, yet only 41 minutes of recording

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    sebastianhaff ...you dick

    by unclejoe

    echols life was frozen when he walked into prison if he wants to be goth...let him maybe you would like to trade places with him

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    This may be an excellent film, but...

    by bodian26

    Here's my problem with the "West of Memphis" documentary. Berlinger and Sinofsky sacrificed a lot in telling the first two films, including risking their journalistic integrity claiming the boys were innocent long before it was fashionable to do so. With the release of "Paradise Lost 3," they should be fully recognized for devoting a huge chunk of their lives for seeing this through. Not to mention making incredible, thought provoking films on this subject. However, now we have this new documentary that is getting ready to pull the rug out from the two filmmakers who made this film possible. If it hadn't been for Berlinger and Sinofsky, Damien would be dead and the other two still in prison. Why do I get the feeling that Jackson's film is about to eclipse all the hard work and dedication done by the filmmakers who risked it all?

  • Not that it really matters. I'm sure all of these filmmakers would be the first to tell you fame, fortune, and recognition wasn't the motive for making these movies. At least I hope so.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Sounds more like propaganda then a documentary

    by mr.underwater

    But in all fairness, Paradise Lost 2 and 3 were also propaganda. Only the first Paradise Lost was a true documentary (in that it objectively documented the situation as it was happening). In fact, it's one of the best documentaries ever made. The other two, I can live without. I'm not a big fan of propaganda, even foe a nobel cause. So, it seems I can live without this movie, as well.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    For anyone who wants more depth on the WM3 story ...

    by Toe Jam

    I recommend "Devil's Knot" by Mara Leveritt. The "Paradise Lost" documentaries are fascinating, but two-hour documentaries -- even three of them -- simply don't provide you the wealth of facts and timelines and background that an expertly researched book does. Then go back and watch the "Paradise Lost" trilogy to put faces to names and see it all unfold on film.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Why have a doc explain it to the viewer

    by master_of_realty

    when they can descend into Hell themselves? I'm sure this film is good but Paradise Lost will always be THE movie on the West Memphis case. From the music to the spooky, sinister atmosphere and the incredible sense that this is all happening right in front of you right now (due to it being filmed as it happened), it is simply on a higher level than most movies about anything. It is one of the Greats. The verdict scene is still as fucking devastating today as it was when it first aired. And it even has two good sequels that, while not the punch to the stomach that the first one is, adequately chronicle new developments and attempt to give other insights into what happened that night in 1993. Again, I will see West of Memphis, but it would have to be an unprecedented cinematic achievement to become the best on this subject.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    12hr's exaggerated...

    by LLcruize2

    The WM3 documentaries, specifically 2 and 3, present a lot of inaccurate "facts". There was never 12hrs of brow beating before the confession. He was actually interviewed a total of 4hrs over a 12hr period. There are a lot of other inaccurate "facts" presented by supporters that trial and evidence records, if researched properly, contradict. I say before you believe what these people tell you, do the research yourself. There are plenty of ways to research this case on your own rather than being fed information through a movie. Just didn't make sense that the confession, as detailed as it is, came from being planted into someone's head by brow beating, no matter how low or high their IQ is. Echols at the time just came off way too cocky and had an air of untouchable about him. It was only after he was presented with death staring him straight in the face did he cop the humble victimized persona. I have long felt the WM3 were guilty. However looking through enough of the evidence that is available to the public, there is reasonable enough doubt that I feel the case should not be closed. I will give this new docu a look, I have long not fully trusted the crazy step dad. But he almost seemed too easy of a focus, but sometimes the most obvious is guilty in the end. It is good to hear that the murdered kids and their families are given due focus in this new film. They seemed to have always seemed secondary to me when listening to the supporters.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Still bugs me that Jesse confessed 3 times

    by proevad

    --once with his hand on a bible the whole time (big thing for a southern evangelical dipshit). But I also think Hobbs and Byers both are guilty of something--can't ignore Hobbs DNA being in that ligature of Michael--and can't ignore Chris' blood type being on Byers' knife. Regardless of what happened, they deserve to be out of jail--and shouldn't have been there in the first place. There was zero evidence and a definite crooked jury foreman on one of the juries. Fucking Arkansas. Oy vey.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    damien echols

    by chris p. bacon

    Funny how back then cats like echols were social pariahs, nowadays its accepted to look like you're at a bauhaus show. ...man i hope the mayans were right.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    New damning Terry Hobbs information just surfaced yesterday...

    by Michael

    Very interesting indeed: http://www.wmctv.com/story/16564821/wm3-attorneys-new-evidence-points-to-real-killer

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I believe they're innocent. What I don't like is...

    by TopHat

    ...how Damien Echols has become the main focus of all of this; Yes, he was the only one sentenced to death but Jessie Misskelley and Jason Baldwin were just as demonized and persecuted. It feels as if Damien has become the most popular just because he's better looking than the other two and fits in with the whole "rock star" persona. He gets married in jail to a beautiful woman, has celebrities like Depp and Vedder corresponding with him, has Peter Jackson sending him movies and magazines, and pretty much every documentary about the case is focused more on him than the other two. Like I said, he was the one sentenced to death, but its still sickening reading that this new documentary follows his marriage more than the other two INNOCENT people convicted of a crime. I doubt all the celebrities and supporters gave as much of their time to Misskelley and Baldwin as they did to Echols and I bet any new documentaries or media attention this case gets in the future will mainly focus on Damien, because the other two, not being the chosen media darlings, will be too busy trying to get or keep ordinary jobs being thought of as guilty child killers. THEY won't have the money and perks Echols will have. There's probably a new documentary that could be made from all this; How about an in depth analysis of how we automatically favor people who are good-looking and charismatic over others who aren't thought of in the same light, even if those other people are just as innocent as the good-looking person? Damien even looked more made up and clean shaven during the Alford Plea than Jessie and Jason, down to his stylish glasses. As if HE were given special treatment and attention while the other two were just dragged out of their jail cells and pushed into the court room. The more and more I think about it, this documentary sounds despicable.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    mysterytrain

    by proevad

    Holy shit. Thanks. Hadn't seen that.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by TopHat

    I think Byers and Hobbs did it together.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    tophat

    by proevad

    I think so too. Byers was at least smart enough to flip to being a supporter when he saw how this was eventually going to go down. Regardless, he's a filthy child and wife beating pig in my book. Can't believe so many supporters are friends with the piece of shit.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Byers is trash

    by Tank Williams

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    No matter what, on paper, they're murderers

    by alienindisguise

    and they'll never escape that stigma.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    unclejoemccarthy

    by SebastianHaff

    Dude, you called me a dick! That was really mean. <br><p> I hope you get AIDS. <p><br> Maybe my rhetoric was over the top, but I stand by my opinion. I find it interesting that despite the seriousness of his conviction, Echols continued his spooky rock star look and attitude the whole time. It just seems fucked up to me. I think it's equally fucked up how he's allowed himself to eclipse the actual victims. I know PJ and Fran are putting up money to continue looking for the real killer (or rather, proving that fucking hick did it), but in everything I've ever seen of this goth douche, I've never seen a lick of humility. You'd think 18 years of prison would instill at least that much in you. Just because he isn't guilty doesn't mean he isn't an asshole, and I think that's something people pretty quickly forget. Maybe you feel he's earned asshole privileges after all that time behind bars. I don't. <br><p> However, I was unaware of his medical condition requiring the silly shades. So I take that part of my rant back. I will let him continue wearing the silly shades. <br><p> He still has to lose the Columbine clothes, though.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Quint, You Biased Fucker, Those kids are Guilty!

    by phantomcreeps

    They are Satanists! Just kidding, my friend. I had seen the Original Paradise lost when it first came out on VHS. What a great documentary. Just recently watched all 3 on HBO. Some mind blowing shit for sure. Looking forward to this film too. Thanks, Quint, for all your reports. Any chance, of taking over the site, instead of Harry? I kid again, I'm just so damn happy those guys are out of freaking prison. I hope they find some sort of solace and peace with this twisted world. Peace to all from Oregon.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    llcruize2

    by unclejoe

    do yourself a favor you are on the internet....use the google google...false confessions

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    New evidence....

    by LLcruize2

    The thing about this so called new evidence, it is very thin, very thin. This whole "a friend of the nephew of said the step-father said, secret kept by father of.....", is full of holes. This is the very kind of weak evidence the WM3 supporters have cried about for years ultimately did in the WM3. You had Damien right after the murders saying he committed them. WM3 supporters will say he was just being a smart ass, but who is to say these people are not just trying to muddy up the water more with all of these supposed conversations. I want PHYSICAL evidence, not all this story telling. I want a taped confession. All the things that the WM3 supporters have said lacked in the case against the WM3 is all but enough now to point the finger at another. Interesting. I totally agree that Damien has become a rockstar of sorts while the other two have all but faded away. He is the more media friendly looking of the three, interesting the other guys don't seem to have the same support.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Shit, I'm Starting to think this was just a bunch of

    by phantomcreeps

    Redneck retards and poor white trash, all smashed into a little ball. They all admit it. Themselves. Kids acting out, parents don't understand, ignorance ensues. For all we know, the fucking prosecutors and cops killed those poor kids, and blamed it on the Trailer trash. Disgusting.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    llcruize2 stop being a fucking tool

    by unclejoe

    when did damian ever confess to the murders??? the new evidence is weak? dna evidence is not weak...you stupid fuck are you aware that this trial was based on the insane fears of satanic cults running amok in the usa?? how many real violent satanic cults were ever found??? ILL TELL YOU, YOU STUPID NIMROD NONE NOW STFU AND GET OFF THIS SITE

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Thank you, Uncle Joe.

    by phantomcreeps

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Hey, speaking of Satanic cults...

    by SebastianHaff

    I was recently having a conversation with some friends where I said the whole devil worshiping Satanist thing was a fabrication, and then I got a little uneasy about making a blanket statement, and added a requisite 'as far as I know.' I've seriously been looking, but I can't find convincing evidence of any evil devil worshiping cults - EVER. <BR><P> Sure, there is such a thing as theistic Satanism, which is the polar opposite of Laveyan Satanism, but all this nonsense about killer cults who practice incest and cut out fetuses to eat and offer as Satanic sacrifices? 99.9% sure that never happened. You've got guys like Ricky Kasso the Acid King, but that's completely different. That's a dipshit loser on too many drugs with shitty taste in music. Such a combo will always lead to tragedy. <br><p> This kind of Satan horseshit the WM3 got nailed for simply does not exist, and has no place in any rational society. Oh, wait...

  • Hear hear! to tophat for his thoughts. They were spot on. I understand why they leave out Jessie but he other one totally gets the shaft, while Damien gets the martyrdom. When you act like a punk, esp. in that type of environment you don't do yourself any favors. I was 16 once too, as well as growing up in a fairly small Oklahoma town and never would have acted a fool like him. He did change after getting the death penalty but I would have thought it would have came sooner than that. What I don't like is how those kids are the ones who get forgotten about.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    llcruize2

    by proevad

    How about shoelace fiber on one of Hobbs' knives exactly matched to one of the shoelaces used to bind one of the victims? That be good enough for you? Wait a few days.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    gqtaste26 , not right? watch the film and you will find out why she did

    by Talkbacker with no name

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST

    llcruize2 , let me get this right

    by Talkbacker with no name

    These 3 kids commited the perfect crime, left behind no evidence and then the brains of the operation goes around town saying he did it? unclejoe is right, you are being a fucking tool

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Fuck You creepythinman!

    by phantomcreeps

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    The DNA evidence against Hobbs is weak...

    by ccRider66

    Didn't you people watch PL3? Experts on Echols defense team said the DNA evidence on Hobbs was circumstantial and would never hold up in court. And despite what some people seem to think, there was DNA evidence linking Echols. There was fibers on one of the victims that was consistent with Echols sweater. There was also blood on Echols necklace that was consistent with one of the victims. Like the evidence against Hobbs, it was considered circumstantial. The bodies were in the water for 18 hours. Kind of hard to get any conclusive evidence. Read the Callahan report. Its filled with alot of facts that were left out of the documentaries.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    John Douglas

    by macheesmo3

    If you read any of his books, you will know what a victims advocate he is. When this guy goes on the record with his reputation on the line and states that the crime couldn't have been done by the defendants.... Well, that speaks a lot to me.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    ccrider66 fiber evidence is not dna

    by unclejoe

    if you are gonna comment, try to sound credible no dna evidence links echols blood type is not dna evidence had the victims dna been found on echols or any of the 3, they would be guilty the problem with the dna evidence found is that 1 percent of the population could have the same dna....that is why it alone is not strong enough to convict hobbs but there is also eye witness testimony that hobbs was seen with the boys...when he says he didnt see them all day and hobbs has a violent background... SO STOP BEING A TOOL

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    unclejoemccarthy

    by ccRider66

    and what was Echols a boyscout? Lets see, his biological parents had him removed from their home because he threatened to slit his mothers throat and drink her blood. He threatened to eat his father. He was suspended from school on several occasions, once for attempting to scratch out the eyes of a fellow student. He has a record of being institutionalized and diagnosed as being bi-polar and suicidal. He attacked a patient and attempted to drink his blood. He threatened other patients and claimed to have a suicide pact with his girlfriend Domini Teer. Sounds like a real sweetheart. Oh and what led police to question Misskelly was his previous arrest for beating up a 13 year old girl. STOP BEING A CHILD KILLER GROUPIE AND READ THE CALLAHAN REPORT. Need a link?

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    unclejoemccarthy is being a dick--but he's also right

    by proevad

    As a supporter, I've still got some hangups. One reason why I've never given them a fucking dime. Regardless though, they deserved a new trial and shouldn't have been convicted by the flimsy ass evidence. Damien was/is a fucking weird douchebag. He probably would have ended up killing someone even if he didn't kill those kids. Still might. I wouldn't sleep too soundly if I was his wife. Creepy fuck.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Oops. Wrong dick. ccrider66 was the phallus in question.

    by proevad

    apologies to the Senator from Wisconsin.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    proevad

    by ccRider66

    Another child killer groupie huh. I'll bet your one of those retards who actually believe these three were convicted because they dressed in black and listened to heavy metal. Maybe you can stop kissing your pictures of Echols for a while and read the Callahan report. callahan.8k.com

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    ccrider66

    by proevad

    Did you even read my posts? I have read ALL of Callahans. I'm not convinced they are innocent moron. The State didn't prove their case though--they deserve to be out.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST

    i should go to callahan to read miskelly's 2nd confession?

    by unclejoe

    the one where he continues to state facts that never happened? btw...if echols is bipolar...has he been medicated during his incarceration? cuz bipolar doesnt just go away

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST

    ccrider66 im at callahan right now

    by unclejoe

    wanna explain why a bogus book...cults that kill, was submitted into evidence?

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    ccrider66 im gonna read the echols psych eval

    by unclejoe

    i didnt before, because i believe most state ordered psych evals are bullshit but for you, i will read it....will start a bit tonite than finish tomorrow you are in luck....for 6 years i assisted a shrink in doing psych evals.... can tell you right off the bat....if echols is bipolar, the state fucked him on day one by prescribing a simple anti depressant... funny...if he was indeed as dangerous as you think, his first couple stays in inpatient were extremely short....hmmm but i will get back to you on this

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Nothing explains...

    by peppersgc

    ...them openly bragging about what they did to the correctional officers while in prison. Baldwin talked about cutting off one of the boy's penis and each of them sucking blood from it. Misskelley backed him up. How do I know this? You could say I lived it. My mother was one of those correctional officers. I watched her cry when she got home from work after having to hear these freaks tell, in detail, how they did things to those poor little boys. From the things they said, my mother thinks they had help from someone else, but they had to have been present at the time of the murders to know some of the details not even brought up during the trial.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    peppersgc either you or your mom is a liar

    by unclejoe

    its as simple as that for miskelly made 3 confessions...each one filled with flaws but hey...have your redneck mom come out to the press to tell her whole story

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I honestly don't know what to believe any more

    by proevad

    Aaron Hutcheson says Byers was there along with the WM3 and a black guy with a gun. The whole thing is just freaking bizarre. There was an unidentified negroid hair found at the scene (plus the bleeding black guy at the Bojangles restaurant)--you also POSSIBLY have Hobbs and Jacoby's hairs found at the scene--plus Chris blood type on Byer's knife. Yet no physical evidence at all that the WM3 were there. One red fiber off of a shirt bought at Walmart that was found in Damian's closet shouldn't get you the death penalty. Idk what to believe. The whole thing is fucked up Lynchian nightmare. Surprised Dennis Hopper's gas mask wasn't found.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    unclejoemccarthy

    by ccRider66

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/exh500.html It's 500 pages, but here are some highlights.... 5/92. E. Arkansas Mental Health Center: Client admits to having been suspended seven times this past semester for initiating fights at school and starting fires. States in one fight he almost gouged out the victim’s eyes. Clinical report based on psychological tests: The behavior of this youngster is characterized by impulsive hostility...the desire to gain power and demean others springs from animosity and a wish to vindicate past grievances. This teenager believes that past degradations may be undone by provoking fear and intimidation in others. Cool and distant, this youth demonstrates little or no compassion for others. 5/19/92. Damien arrested for breaking into a trailer with his 15 year old girlfriend, Deanna Holcomb. Suicide pact if they couldn’t be together. Damien threatening to kill police officers and Deanna’s father when picked up. Convicted of second-degree burglary and sexual misconduct. 5/19/92 to 6/1/92. Craighead County Juvenile Detention Center. Damien voiced suicide plan to folks at the center. Staff reported that Damien and Deanna planned to have a baby and sacrifice it. Damien knocked a peer to the ground, sucked the blood from the boy’s wounded arm and rubbed the blood on his face. No remorse. Deanna is hospitalized at Mid-South Hospital in Memphis. Joyce Cureton, Juvenile Director, reported that “it is our opinion that Damien needs mental health treatment.” 6/1/92 to 6/25/92. Charter Hospital of Little Rock. Immediate hospitalization due to suicidal intent. Admits to a history of violence and attempting to scratch out the eyes of a classmate. There were major concerns that Damien was exhibiting disturbed thinking. He has a history of extreme physical aggression toward others. It was felt that he needed to be temporarily removed from his environment to provide protection for him and protection for others. Damien states, “I burn myself with lighters. I have huffed gas and paint, used speed, marijuana, glue, and alcohol.” Progress Notes: Damien stated that he got ahold of a police officer’s gun, and that if Deanna’s father had acted aggressively, “I would have blown him away and the next time I will eliminate that person.” Denies having a conscience or feelings of regret. Stares into space and shows no emotional response to any kind of stimuli. Verbalized concern that there are surveillance cameras behind his mirror and under the desk in his room. Quite paranoid; he definitely bears watching. Still drawing witchcraft symbols & continues to speak of bizarre and unusual practices. Makes an unusual sound with his mouth that sounds like a cat purr. States that visit with parents didn’t go well, but would not elaborate. Damien’s mother concerned about her son “not learning to deal with anger and rages.” Thinks Damien is responding to outside stimulation. Voiced fear that “son may be crazy.” 6/25/92. Damien discharged to mother with instructions for continuing care. Family moving to Oregon. 8/13/92 Home Visit Evaluation by Calvin Downey, Oregon Juvenile Counselor: Damien indicates he did spend approximately 30 days in a psychiatric hospital via court order, because he was suicidal. He feel his prior depression has improved greatly. Denies use of nonprescribed, controlled substances or alcohol. Mrs. Echols indicates there are no family conflicts with Damien, that he gets along well with the family, that she does not believe he has a behavioral problem & that she does not need any services from this state. 9/1/92. Officer Ortez is called to the Echols’ apartment in Oregon. Damien transported to St. Vincent’s Hospital. Emergency Room Report: The patient denies suicidal or homicidal ideation. However, in talking with family members, they state that he made it quite clear that he had thoughts of harming other people, i.e. was going to cut mother’s throat, and also made verbal threats to his father here at St. Vincent’s. Parents state that he has sniffed propane, glue, gasoline and almost any other drug that is possible. Parental concerns regarding satanism, devil worship. Admission diagnosis: Suicidal/homicidal ideation. 9/4/92. Discharged from St. Vincent’s. Because of Damien’s threats, both parents do not feel that they wish to have him return to their home. They are frightened of him and what he can do, not only to them but to the other children who reside in the home (2 others). Damien is to return to Arkansas by bus. 9/14/92 to 9/28/92. Readmitted to Charter Hospital from Juvenile Detention Center. He admitted to sucking the blood out of a peer’s neck while in the Center. The other peers were afraid of him. Threats to kill both parents (slash throats, eat alive). Presenting problem: Homicidal and psychosis. Alteration in thought processes evidenced by delusional thinking and inappropriate social behavior. Progress notes: Belief in devil worship, has agreed to threatening to “kill” others. Bizarre behaviors. Stated he had attempted suicide before and “wasn’t worried about trying again, because I know I can come back.” Says he’s going to eat father and that he needs to be locked up or he will hurt someone. Peers complaining of Damien making growling sounds at them. Continues talk of satanism. Possible deprogramming needed. Could be a danger to others. Continues laughing strangely and getting peers to feed into his satanism. Tries to keep staff from seeing him do anything other than what’s appropriate according to unit guidelines. Depressed mood, bizarre behavior. Said he was “happy to be here because otherwise he’d be in jail and this has to be better.” Spoke with Jerry Driver re: Damien’s discharge to stepfather Jack Echols. Said this was “ok”. Diagnosis: Psychotic Disorder NOS and Dysthymia. Prognosis: Poor. 1/5/93. Mental Health Center reopens case: Reports self-mutilation, cutting self with knives. Will “trance out” since 5th grade - doesn’t have to deal with what’s going on. Says he thinks a lot about life after death--”I want to go where the monsters go.” He admits being caught with satanic items, but denies cult involvement. Is interested in witchcraft for the past 8 years. He has tried to steal energy from someone else and influence others’ minds with witchcraft. Describes self as “pretty much hates the human race.” Relates that he feels people are in two classes--sheep and wolves (wolves eat the sheep). 1/13/93: Damien reports that he’s very angry with family members and with other people who have “let him down”. He discussed issues of power & control. He states that he could make things happen. Affect and mood was flat. 1/19/93: Reveals history of abuse as he talked of how he was treated as a child. States, “I just put it all inside.” Describes this as more than just anger - like rage. Sometimes he does “blow up.” Relates that when this happens, the only solution is to “hurt someone.” When questioned on his feelings he states, “I know I’m going to influence the world. People will remember me.” 1/20/93: Damien is an 18 year old, recently discharged from Charter Hospital. He’s had three psychiatric hospitalizations. Each has been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others, and thoughts of killing himself. 1/25/93: Speaks of rituals, drinking blood, more involved in demonology. Damien explained that he obtains his power by drinking blood of others. He typically drinks the blood of a sexual partner or of a ruling partner. This is achieved by biting or cutting. He states, “It makes me feel like a god.” Damien describes drinking blood as giving him more power and strength. He remembers doing this as far back as age 10. He wants very much to be all powerful. He wants very much to be in total control. Damien relates that a spirit is now living with him. The spirit was put inside him last year. He indicates that a month ago, the spirit decided to become part of him and he to become part of the spirit. This is reportedly a spirit of a woman who was killed by her husband. In addition, he also reports conversations with demons and other spirits. This is achieved through rituals. He denies that he’s satanic, seeing himself more as being involved in demonology. Affect and mood today continued to be bland, although there was more emotion when talking about drinking blood. 2/5/93: Damien is noted to have cuts on his right arm and hand. Related that he cut himself as a way of permanently marking his skin. Related feeling very angry yesterday when running into previous girlfriend. “I controlled it - I can do anything.” 5/5/93: At times he is impulsive and does things that may be harmful to him. He has impulses to do strange and harmful things.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    proevad

    by ccRider66

    Your right and I apologize. I'm only presenting facts. Facts that were left out of the documentaries. Don't like be called a dick for it.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    ccrider66

    by proevad

    No evidence of Satanic or cult activity at the scene. You're doing the exact same thing that Arkansas did by posting this stuff. It's not relevant now and never has been. Show me pentagrams, black kettles, and bloody altars at the scene and then we can discuss it.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    and pepper, his penis wasn't cut off

    by proevad

    it was degloved (almost certainly by an animal)--so you're mother is full of shit or Jason was just bragging to get cred in jail.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    *your mother*

    by proevad

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    What's with the duckfaces on those two broads?

    by Scrunchie-Scroochie

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    proevad

    by ccRider66

    I never brought up anything about satanic activity. I didn't write this report.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    ccrider66

    by proevad

    Why post the report at all--was my point. He was fucked up, sick, and possibly evil--but so was Byers (on meds with a criminal history)--so was Hobbs (criminal history and wasn't even questioned). They went after Damien because Jerry Driver (a possible pedophile and Damien's parole officer who Damien wouldn't sleep with) steered the cops in his direction. After not getting anything out of Damien after repeated interrogations--a miracle--a dipshit who had met Damien once or twice--magically comes in to confess--problem was Jesse didn't know shit about what happened and got most every detail of the crime wrong----at first. Of course, none of that is on tape. How convenient. You seem convinced that Damien is guilty--I would just like to understand how that is. Hunches or moral outrage shouldn't convict people. He might be guilty, but stuff like what is in that report doesn't come close to proving it.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    proevad

    by ccRider66

    My point in posting that was in response to unclejoes posting regarding Hobbs having a violent past. No doubt he did and so did Byers. And I'm glad you brought up Driver. Most people believe the WMPD had it out for Echols all along. It was Driver who led police to Echols. If you were an officer with the WMPD you would have questioned Echols as well. If you didn't you wouldn't be doing your job. As far as hunches and moral outrage, isn't that exactly what supporters have done to Byers and Hobbs? You are doing it as well with your accusations about Driver wanting to sleep with Echols.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Echols with Mark Byers and Pam Hobbs

    by XeRocks81

    http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/want-to-see-the-best-photo-from-sundance-2012 Picture of Damien Echols, Mark Byers and Pam Hobbs (I think) in Sundance. Given the context of Paradise Lost I back in the day, this picture is pretty friggin amazing. Like anything's possible.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    ccrider66 do you have a degree in psych?

    by unclejoe

    you didnt need to cut and paste if all you did was read the highlights, then you did yourself a disservice i skimmed through the highlights and went to the first psych report...performed by a psychologist did you see the diagnosis? mixed...depression and bipolar huh?? oh thats right...you dont have a psych degree, so you have no idea why that diagnosis doesnt fit, and why, if bipolar, putting echols on a course of anti depressants was a bad idea did you bother to read echols family history? if you did, you would have questioned whether his parents were telling the truth about his alleged threats ya...he acted out in school are you saying that was enough to immediately consider him a suspect in a triple murder?

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    ccrider66

    by proevad

    It's not the same at all. Hobbs should have been looked at as a suspect before anyone else--along with every other relative of those boys. Police work 101. Wasn't even questioned, skipped town, hired a lawyer (why?)--all immediately after the murders and before Echols was even a blip on the radar.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    @unclejoemccarthy & @proevad

    by peppersgc

    unclejoemccarthy, of course he only made 3 confessions. We saw that on TV so it must be true, right? All the officers should come forward and get sued. Its the American way. proevad, I would agree with you if I had never worked as a correctional officer. I have. I have seen first hand what happens to those in prison that hurt kids. I have attended 2 funerals of those that bragged about it. They NEVER bragged about anything in general population. It was always how innocent they were. It would be he said/she said in the aforementioned law suit. Want something to really thicken the plot with needless debasement? A different officer walked in on Baldwin having sex with his pastor. That is why the pastor was banned from the prison. Is that mentioned anywhere?

  • ...just demonstrates the hyperbole the media attention has been of this case. The fact that Echols' marriage is given more time than Jason or Jessie shows how UNdefinitive this documentary is. I also read a review of this movie that stated it made the observation that the way Byers has been "demonized" is akin to how the three wrongly convicted young men had been. This not only seems like a blatant jab at the PARADISE LOST films but also conveys the idea that this film maker is outright dismissing Byers as a suspect. Unless she actually goes through all of the damning evidence against him and proves it false, this is genuinely upsetting to me; The knife he gave to the film makers of the PARADISE LOST movie was a match to the one that probably cut off his stepson's penis - Why would Hobbs go to the trouble to cut off the penis of someone ELSE'S child? How does that match up to the whole "He did it to get back at his wife" theory? It feels as if the people involved with this case have become guilty for accusing Byers of anything just because that was happening to the teenagers and now are basically wiping the slate clean, for their own consciences. I think its entirely plausible to believe Byers had some kind of involvement in the murder, or at least disposal of the bodies, of the children; Hobbs was seen with the kids, he brings someplace and kills them with or without Byers, and Byers helps put them in the woods. Hobbs isn't as smart as Byers; He makes a very convenient fall guy. What is Byers' alibi for that day? Does it check out? These kinds of questions should still be asked and answered. But, I guess, like Echols, Byers makes a better "character" for movies, so, he gets the benefit of the doubt.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Get the fuck out Pepper

    by XeRocks81

    Seriously.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Byers alibi(s) does and doesn't check out

    by proevad

    Depends on when you think the kids were actually murdered. There is great debate among those who study the case. I've been studying it for over 2 years and have read nearly everything there is (including the really weird conspiracy stuff involving Byers and the cops--which may not be as weird as some think) Bottom line for me? No clue what happened. Really none at all. Only thing I know for sure is that Arkansas had no case against the WM3. No reasonable person who reads the transcripts can say otherwise. After 2 years, everyone who was in town that night is a suspect and that includes everyone but Michael Moore's dad. (He was a trucker--and out of town) The West Memphis PD may have gotten really lucky and arrested the right people. Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. I just don't know. If I had to guess, considering all we know now and all I have learned--I would say TH killed those boys by himself.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Here was my favorite suspect before the Hobbs stuff broke open

    by proevad

    http://www.jivepuppi.com/jivepuppi_jkm.html You see? Shit like this is why this case will drive you nuts. Also notice though, he blames TH lol Knew details of the crime too--or was a damn good guesser.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 7:39 a.m. CST

    unclejoemccarthy

    by ccRider66

    No I don't have a degree in psych. I'm a guard at an upstate New York correctional facility and I'm surrounded by violent offenders on a nightly basis. I'm sure that doesn't impress you any more than your background impresses me so you can stop flattering yourself about your qualifications. And you don't need a psych degree to see that Echols had a violent nature. As for why I don't question the validity of his parents accusations, it's because I don't have to. They were tried and convicted in a court of law. If you have a problem with that take it up with the court. As for me, I'll stand by that conviction until you or someone else can prove otherwise. So far you haven't proved jack shit. Until you can stop wasting my time.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    proevad

    by ccRider66

    Hobbs wasn't questioned because they got a confession. Why did he leave town and hire a lawyer? I don't know. Why was Echols found hiding under his bed when police came to question him?

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    ccrider66

    by proevad

    You don't know what you are talking about. They didn't get the confession until weeks after the murders. Hobbs wasn't questioned AT ALL you idiot. Stop embarrassing yourself and get off of here.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Why can't Vedder, Depp and Jackson offer them some dough? ....

    by ZodNotGod

    The thing with Echols is that he admits he was being a smart ass, admits to being depressed and obsessed with all that dark shit most teens do to piss off anyone that cares. The problem with the kids is that they look guilty of something. Not of this case, just something. None of the kids were angels, but hardly killers…get a grip. They didn’t do it. Jessie’s IQ is borderline retarded. Not too bright and was easily manipulated into saying or doing whatever anyone wanted, which is why the DA went with it, they felt it was a slam dunk on top of being incompetent fools. Jessie confessed out of fear. He possibly felt by “confessing” to something, he’d get a lighter sentence than the one they eventually dreamed up. I’m sure those redneck sacks of shit told him, “If you confess, you can go home and this will all be over.” So he does. And when he does, he misses important facts; the timeline was screwy. The kid’s bodies were not where he said they were. Maybe this was addressed and I missed it, but why did it take the authorities THAT long to find the bodies, 36 hours after I believe? If Misskelly was confessing, why didn’t he know exactly where the bodies would be? or did he? Where was evidence? Surely the guys would have scratch marks from the kids struggling? Yes they would, but none were found. Footprints from the guys surrounding the kill zone, nope. Fibers, hairs? Dirty or bloody clothes discovered in their homes? Nope. He said crap about anal sex/oral sex and the kids had no signs of either. They were not anally raped. He said Echols orchestrated an orgy in the woods of some sort…no evidence was ever found; DNA on leaves-nothing, no clothing, no hair, skin fibers, nothing. There were no signs of physical mutilation until after the bodies were dumped, post mortem. Again, another Jessie mistake. The WM3 had no motive, no credible witnesses place them in the woods, no physical DNS evidence places them there. Nothing, it was redneck’s revenge against some punk kids who were trying to rebel. Plus, the authorities were bumbling fools of the worst kind. My biggest complaint however is by a-holes like Depp and Vedder, sure they help free those guys, but where is the real help? They have a scarlet letter on their names for life- no employer will give them the time of day. What are they to do? Why can’t Jackson, Depp and Vedder pony up some dough! They have plenty of it to support their liberal causes, why not give the guys $5 million apiece and wish them a happy life, honestly, it will be hard otherwise. Being typical liberal hypocrites they won’t do anything of the kind….

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    proevad

    by ccRider66

    If I remember correctly Misskelly confessed and the three were convicted in a court of law. I know thats still hard to accept for child killer groupies like yourself but thats life kid. Now fuck off you weasly little prick.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    RE: peppersgc

    by ZodNotGod

    Your mother is a filthy liar. The boys penis was not cut off. It had damage done post mortem. So whatever your ma heard, she is either a liar or a sick freak for spreading such lies.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Some of you are almost as bad as the Star Wars haters...

    by ZodNotGod

    If you don't make it up yourself, you believe everything. Can't think for yourself.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Being violent doesn't make you a killer. Idiot.

    by ZodNotGod

    Show us the evidence damning Echols. If not, shut your pie hole and don't come back.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I didn't know about Echols past troubles was so in debt

    by GQTaste26

    Didn't know he was institutionalized before the murders.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Misskelly confessed to inaccurate details.

    by ZodNotGod

    Even the cops at the time knew he was full of crap and "lying."

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    ccrider66--stfu asshole

    by proevad

    You don't know shit about this case and come on here running your mouth like diarrhea. Fucking idiot. If you don't already live there, move to Arkansas--you would fit right in.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    ccrider: another rent a cop who thinks he's actually a cop

    by proevad

    God save us from delusions of grandeur and the idiots who walk around with them.

  • Jan. 25, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    The West Memphis 3 Gotta Eat!

    by Joe Plumber

  • Jan. 27, 2012, midnight CST

    Something is not right

    by Ron Whiton

    I have said it before and I will say it again. These guys do not act innocent. I have seen the documentaries, I have followed the trials, I agree that The police completely screwed up the investigation and I agree that Byers and Hobbs are prime suspects. Also,I have the utmost respect for John Douglas ( I have read all his books- I am an avid fan)and he has a lot more experience in these things than I do, however he has been wrong before- not a lot but it has happened. I am just saying when looking at the footage and the behaviors- these boys/men now- act guilty. Having said that I concede that my only access to them has been through the films, websites and some (2 times)correspondance with 2 of the boys. Also a lot of correspondance with Burke Sauls- spearheding the free West Memphis 3 campaign. ( I have knowledge that Echols was having a weird Phone sex thing with Kathy the friend of Burke Sauls and with that he had admitted some very strange and confusing stuff that does not make him look so innocent- which Sauls claims was just to impress Kathy)However---something weird is going on between the 5 of them- something very weird- Not Satanism- but some creepy behavior. I know the Hollywood set has embraced this wihtout really knowing much about it because it looks good to the fan base 9We are standing up for kids who were imprisoned because they wore black and acted different -blah blah- yes it looks good to back them) I am being the one voice which states this is not as clear cut as it seems. This story is not over.

  • Jan. 27, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    smithw6079, weird Phone sex thing with Kathy the friend of Burke Sauls

    by Talkbacker with no name

    haha pull the other one, it's got bells on.