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Capone's review of an early contender for Worst Film of 2012: RED TAILS!!!

Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here.

For those of you who have heard the stories of how much of RED TAILS executive producer George Lucas may or may not have directed/re-shot personally, try to put such thoughts out of your head as you attempt to watch this story of the first-ever squadron of African-American pilots to fly in combat. It's better if you hate this film on its own merits rather than because Lucas may have pushed aside credited director Anthony Hemingway and put his hands all over this worthy story, turning it into a horribly written, trite adventure film that cares more about aerial battles than it does about telling the glorious but often heartbreaking account of the segregated Tuskegee airmen of World War II.

I'm not going to get bogged down by history; my feeling has always been that if a "based on a true story" movie is engaging and entertaining, I don't really care how much it sticks to the facts. It's not a damn documentary, and it doesn't pretend to be. No, the problem that I had with RED TAILS is that it's addicted to war cliches, despite the fact that the Tuskegee men had a military career that was far from cliche. I will admit that the beginning of the film is the most interesting, as screenwriters John Ridley and Aaron McGruder detail the way the Army Air Corps systematically kept the black pilots from doing anything other than routine coastal patrols of areas where the enemy hadn't been seen in weeks or months in planes that were equivalent to hand-me-downs from white pilots. The frustration felt by the men is palpable and well earned, and the scenes that illustrate that are the film's best.

But with Lucas and fellow Star Wars producer Rick McCallum guiding the ship, what RED TAILS really cares about are the aerial battles, which occur only as a last-ditch effort when the Army Air Corps loses too many bombers when their escort fighters stop protecting them to chase glory by shooting down enemy planes rather than sticking next to the bombers. It's a fascinating bit of history that is kind of glossed over, but the Red Tails (named for the red tails painted on their planes) are called in and told to stick by the bombers, which they do. They still manage to knock down a few enemies on their first mission, as well as keep a single bomber from getting hit. Make no mistake, as much as you may hate the rest of the film, the aerial sequences are pretty spectacular, and we can end that discussion here.

Trouble enters the picture when the film attempts to get to know the pilots, or more specifically, when the film lays out one military "type" after another and pretends that equals character development. First on the list of offenders is Cuba Gooding Jr. as the pipe-chomping Maj. Emanuelle Stance, who delivers speech after motivating speech to the men, to surprisingly little results. They pretty much only listen to each other or the true commanding officer of the squad Col. A.J. Bullard (Terrence Howard), who is ultimately the one that gets the Red Tails their first shot at actual combat after defying the openly racist Maj. Mortamus (Bryan Cranston). Every sentence that comes out of Bullard's mouth could be plastered on a motivational poster. He doesn't seem to think or express himself in anything other than noble thoughts. That said, his open defiance of those who would dismiss him and his men would seem to make him a character worth knowing. Alas, he is barely in the movie.

The actual fighters are saddled with nicknames (as was the practice, I get that) and given a type. There's the rebellious pilot who defies his squadron leader if he sees an opportunity; there's the lover boy who woos a pretty Italian woman in a village near the base; there's the guy with the funny voice who is quick with a joke; there are the hardened repair crew members; hell, there's even a guy with a drinking problem. And you've got some strong actors playing these parts, such as Michael B. Jordan, Tristan Wilds, Nate Parker, Elijah Kelley, Andre Royo, and David Oyelowo, as well as musicians Ne-Yo and Method man filling out the roster, and not a one can really rise above the atrocious dialogue. By the time the film is over, you will hate Ne-Yo's character Smoky as much as you did Jar Jar Binks because they're cut from the same stereotypical cloth.

And even if some of the almost unbelievable moments in RED TAILS are more or less true, they feel utterly false. There's a moment when the black pilots are invited into a whites-only officers club for drinks, not long after one Red Tail was beaten severely in the same establishment, and the whole place embraces them as equals--after one successful mission. Sorry, guys, I'm not buying it. And it should come as no surprise that the in-the-air dialogue isn't much better. "How you like that, Mr. Hitler?!" may go down as the "Release the Kraken!" of 2012. And no, not even a moving score by Terrence Blanchard saves any part of Red Tails, nor do the aforementioned aerial effects sequences, which are shot almost exactly like every X-Wing battle in a STAR WARS movie.

The bottom line is that RED TAILS fails every time a character opens his mouth. There's a love story that bogs down the movie, a resoundingly dumb focus by the airmen on one particular German fighter pilot (nicknamed Pretty-Boy and played by Lars van Riesen), and an unexplainable commitment to having these men spout useless, predictable words as if their lives depended on it. I'll admit, I don't remember much about HBO's 1995 film THE TUSKEEGEE AIRMEN, starring Laurence Fishburne (and a much younger Cuba Gooding Jr.), but I remember it being a whole lot better than RED TAILS. Come to think of it, I liked my last root canal more than Red Tails. If you want to pay tribute to these great men, buy a book that accurately and affectionately details their true story rather than give money to anyone for producing this drivel.

-- Steve Prokopy
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  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Racist!

    by THXER

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Saw this coming ... Everything Lucas touches becomes stale.

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    The man has LOST IT. Whatever IT is has gone.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Red Tales was glorious

    by darthvedder81

    "Saving Private Ryan" in the air this is not. If you dial down and enjoy it on the level of Indiana Jones you'll like it. Since most movie goers these days equate "mildly cynical" and "gritty" with good I imagine few will get it. Red Tails wears it's heart right on the sleeve. The aerial battles do not disappoint, there's lots of jokey banter, it's utterly old fashioned and I loved every second of it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

    by Righteous Brother

    THX1138, American Graffiti, Star Wars, Indiana Jones. Once there was a filmaker, who was in touch with his audience, and now he's gone forever. It happens to so many musicians, writers, film makers. Oh well.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Disappointing

    by Sir Pirvan

    While I have not always entirely agreed with your reviews, I could definitely see where you're going with it and how this movie could suck. Will still give it a whirl but... damn.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:57 a.m. CST

    = The actual fighters are ... given a type =

    by Wookie_Weed

    You just described Jackson's dwarves from the Hobbit. They're all the same old stereotype cliche as well. Bet they'll be more entertaining though.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Saw This Coming

    by Todd1700

    Just the dialog from the trailer made it easy to see this was going to be total shit.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    To most of the Talkback People of Ain't it Cool News

    by All Filmmakers Wanna Be

    Ain't it cool news is one of my daily readings. I also read most of the comments. I may say that this site is a refugee camp for the most frustrated people on the net. Most of the comment are vulgar, without profoundness, brainless and even not funny. Some of you must look themselves daily in the mirror and believe that they are superior intellectual humans. I may even easily see some of you sitting in pub surrounding by two other men (women would be a surprise) and tell to each other who more clever they are using the F-word every two words. I rarely read love for movies. It is simply a succession of complains after complains. Most of you always know how better you would do a movie. News flash is that most of you, never did and never will make a movie and certainly not a big budget one. I also surprised that A-list filmmakers and actors takes this site in such a regard, knowing that they will never show your comments to their own children. The founders of this website should be ashamed of the talkback. Harry who used to be good in his writing is now in a world where each movie he sees refers to a moment of his childhood or him and his wife. A man doesn't talk like this and a professional movie commentator neither. Please man up and clean your website as other do. Thank you and have a nice day.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST

    So Ne-Yo's character is Jamaican?

    by MooseMalloy

    Bombad Jedi.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Sad to see it's living down to the trailers

    by melonman

    If 2 minutes make you throw up in your mouth a little 2 hours could be painful.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    damn lol

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    that's brutal. The world doesn't need another Lucas turd. I'm disappoint.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    -- Steve Prokopy,

    by Roger Moon

    I raise my 4 am Nathan's hot dog with French's mustard and Lay's Wavy potato chips on the side in your general direction and as a salute. CHOMP. Bless you.

  • yeah,like we didnt know that this was going to be the case.Lucas always focuses on the VFX of the movie than telling a good story.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Return Of The Red Tails - The Special Edition

    by thound3

    Will have Ewoks and CGI'd T-Rex's and Jake Lloyd as a young Chuck Yeager piloting a prototype P-51 pod racer

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    the guy studied Joseph Campbell...

    by Roger Moon

    ya figure that would indicate an abiding interest in how to create an engrossing story populated by exciting characters. He got it right in 1977. Wha happin?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    "all filmmakers wanna be" - you're fucking retarded

    by Mel

    you picked the wrong talkback to try to make an example. RED TAILS fucking blows, and no one's even being vulgar. Next time you want to get on your soap box at least do it in a thread where we're ripping on a GOOD movie...not this gigantic turd. moron.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST

    @all filmmakers wanna be

    by soup74

    shut the fuck up.. the vile talkbacks are the best (only?) reason to come to this site. despite what you want to believe, for most of us it's only fun to act like an asshole while we here, and then go about our daily lives as normal. people have been bitching about the way people act on here for years... it's actually what keeps a lot of people coming back. so really... deal with it, or leave. fuck face. (ps... red tails looks like a shit movie, by a director who has laughably lost his shit... no need to white knight it.)

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Re: all filmmakers wanna be

    by bubcus

    Since Cinescape.com is long gone, I come here for my daily news on upcoming films. Sure I could visit other sites, but I've been checking this one for close to a decade now and have very few complaints. And of course we're all "wannabe filmmakers." We became that when we first saw Star Wars in theaters. Why rip on that and why care. It's a love and a passion and we appreciate good films and are frustrated when they're not... especially when a director raises a bar and then disregards the said bar. I'm an animator and a storyboard artist and love the creative process. There's just some magic in creating this stuff. At any rate, I'm still hoping to see this film and I hope I will find it entertaining. I appreciate the review but I will be my own judge on what I see. I hope it'll be a fun and fascinating ride. If it is, great, if not, so be it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    So you would SERIOUSLY rather have a root canal

    by steele8280

    than watch Red Tails again? I have trouble believing that's anything but reveling in someone else's apparent shortcoming, and as a fellow film lover I would assume this would be sad as opposed to an opportunity to be condescending and arrogant in your negative criticism. You didn't like the movie? Fine. You thought it's of the quality that usually makes worst of- lists? Sure. But I'm getting tired of reading negative reviews where I can see the person smirking while coming up with insult after insult. Have a nice day.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    All filmmakers wanna be...

    by Last_of_the_Emurites

    Your sentence structuring pained my brain while trying to read it. The sentence about Harry...I couldn't tell if you were insulting him or supporting him. Maybe, I don't know, a comma might help? I'm not sure. I dont rite none to good neither.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    You could tell from the trailer..

    by Xenodistortion

    that this was going to be a hunk of shit. Bad dialog and terrible music. It's a shame because it's a great historical event to be made into a movie. Too bad. Capone is right in saying the HBO movie was done better.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST

    all filmmakers want to be

    by darthSaul666

    Okay so was that comment form my benefit or your? And since I didn't ask for your opinion...I'll give you mine without solicitation... Go Fuck Yourself...darthsaul666

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST

    opps shitty spelling but I'm sure you got my point...

    by darthSaul666

    cliched troll!!!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST

    all filmmakers wanna be...

    by loafroaster

    Sure most talkbackers may be a little insulting at times, but at least they use decent grammar.

  • ahem* Howard The Duck....

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Needless to say, Harry will love it.

    by loafroaster

    And will talk about how he and his black friends experienced racial predjudice when he was younger, thus he could REALLY relate to the characters.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Is anyone suprised by this review?

    by koalaofdoom1982

    No? Thought not......This had shit sandwich written all over it from the start...... once this bombs at the BO, maybe Lucas will finally follow through with his teenage strop and actually retire. Preferably from producing as well, if he he's gone fuck up other directors/writers projects with his input, he's best of out of the game all together.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST

    I assumed as much from the trailers.

    by justmyluck

    Looks like we'd be better of with this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005411P6I RETURN OF THE JEDI = *This is what I really wanted to do with Star Wars* SW PREQUELS = = *This is what I really wanted to do with Star Wars* RED TAILS = *This is what I really wanted to do with Star Wars* + *Look, massa, we can kill and mame with airplanes just like you white guys.* UGH.

  • We might have had better prequels. But c'mon, who's gonna dare piss off George Lucas when you actually get to work for George Lucas. You can just imagine him showing his ideas and scripts to the cast and crew and FX people and the rest and them just smiling with clenched teeth and worried looks at each other. "Ya George (weak laugh) that looks um ... great. No! People will LOVE a cute character that speaks like five year old touched rastafarian." I bet if he gathered the same people now and asked them to be honest about what they felt back then, he'd get different answers.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    It sounds like the a plot from Clone Wars

    by rebelpigs

    Seriously, dosen't it? They've done many stories where the clones are treated as lesser beings. The clone characters themselves are very much military stereotypes.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Couldn't be more spot on sadly

    by Muldoon

    The theater I saw it at had some sound issues, so that might have helped make the experience slightly more frustrating. This movie is a thin shell of what it could have been, but was so high on parodying itself that it neglected even a plot...

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    all filmmakers wanna be

    by Vince

    He has a very valid point. Backed up by the responses posted here in retailiation. WWW forums are, in general, a place for angry fools to sound off in the comfort of their bedroom. Aintitcool forum is the world leader in this practice. It shames the otherwise, reputable web site. sure there's the freedom of speach right that Amaricans cling to so tightly. I guess this is why aintit forum is so unmoderated, but it tarnishes the site. I have to plough through the inane to glimpse some rational discussion. George Lucas, having announced his withdrawal from mainstream movies, has clearly had enough of this vitriol, and I don't blame him. I'm sick of reading the line 'George Lucas raped my childhood' in reference to the Star Wars prequels. It makes for some pathetic reading. This is what happens when the mentally challenged of the world are given a voice in anonymity. (I await the expletives to now flow in that tiresomely predictable torrent). A message to George, don't allow the fools to grind you down, do what you do without influence. For all the jerks that shout their disaproval, there are many more who don't share their views, but this majority aren't posting on forums. I haven't seen Red Tails yet ( what's up with Fox, hello there's a world outside America), but this review is what I expected. Slating of the dialogue, but aknowledgement of the action scenes. It reads as quite lazy journalism, 'contender for worst movie of 2012'. It's January, need I say more? This movie could never have been Saving Private Ryan, that's not the Lucasfilm style, but I think it will make great viewing on a different level. I look foreward to seeing the arial battle scenes, that's why I will be there if it ever opens somewhere near me.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Lucas has nowhere left to go.

    by john

    He wants to make small movies. Trouble is sweet little independant movies don't rely on special effects. Remove this sometimes spectacular yet strangely cold crutch Mr Lucas, and what do you have...

  • Maybe that's the suppressed good part.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:24 a.m. CST

    justmyluck did I forget?

    by Vince

    did I forget to make it clear that i thought the review was less than eloquent? I was not only addressing the film review, but, more thoroughly, the broad ambience of the aintit forums in general. A comment on both the body of the article and the views of a slightly more thoughtful reader than the average in this neck of the www. Whether a movie is crap or not is a subjective standpoint. Using the term crap is emulating the tone set in the review, predictable and lazy. The word simply isn't enough to convey a meaningful and contemplated opinion. This kind of response serves to validate my main point rather noicely. If you could just add some more profanity, my case will adjourn.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    okapi, I don't think anyone expected RED TAILS to be SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. As you say it's more of a slick entertainment piece. But it *could* have been GLORY or MEMPHIS BELLE. Appears it's ended up more like a lower budget PEARL HARBOUR if this review is to be believed.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:41 a.m. CST

    No wonder Mr Lucas has announced his retirement..........

    by CartoonScott

    He has heard the early reviews

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST

    33% on RT with consensus.

    by justmyluck

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/red-tails/

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Views.

    by thomskis

    On account of not living in my Mother's basement, I support all filmmakers want to be and okapi’s views wholeheartedly. Just my luck: Worrying that you not only have the right to free adolescent tantrums, but also the right to carry a gun. :-/

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Sock puppet time, already? :))

    by justmyluck

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Newt For President in 2012!!

    by oaser

    I'm just kidding. But seriously, this movie looked like a polished turd in the previews. For any pretentious douche ::coughfilmmakercough:: that needs more specificity on that comment, I offer this: Present to me one history book that specifically quotes that cliched drivel the pilots chant in the commercials ("To the last man, to the blah blah blech"). Lucas and Co. have taken what is arguably one of the most watershed moments in our aerial military history, and turned it into Michael Bay's "Pearl Harbor." I know "Red Tails" isn't meant to be "Saving Private Ryan," but at least offer these men and their sacrifice a little more dignity than a popcorn action fest. Veterans walked out of "Saving Private Ryan" because it was too realistic. They walked out of "Pearl Harbor" because it was dumb. I wonder what the reaction around this movie will be? Some members of the 332nd are probably still alive. Will they praise this hunk of shit? Probably not. If you knew Capone's review was going to piss you off, why did you read it? Someone has to call this movie out on what it isn't. That's my pretentious drivel for the day. Onwards and upwards, fuckers!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    Since when was this a reputable website?

    by savagedave

    Not for about a decade.

  • ...and it's also, admittedly closet racist The Pouch giving one more kick to some real heroes who never got an even break because of their skin skin color. Fuck Lucas, fuck Hollywood, and fuck AICN!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST

    cobra kai

    by Vince

    Thanks for a more contemplative response. I'll save my opinion on what to compare Red tails to until after I've seen it. My fear is that it will be a companion to Pearl Harbour, which I didn't enjoy at all, apart from the excellent action and flying scenes. In an ideal world, all films would provide a layered and fulfilling experience, but sadly, that's not always the case. I believe that Red Tails will potentially disapoint on some level, but one thing Lucas does exceptionally well is action involving flying,/racing etc. That's his forte. To lump Red Tails in a category of candidate for worst movie of 2012 is a bit harsh. I'm confident it will provide more than that based on Lucas's past body or work. At least it's not a superhero film. It tackles a subject matter that no one else is doing much with lately. The experiences of WW2 airmen is a large pot of unexplored storytelling. This is a bit off track though, as my main point wasn't the movie review, but more adding support to the comments about vitriolic talk back posts.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:09 a.m. CST

    mesir bombing the enemy.....esqueeeze meeeee

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Adios dos belo Americanos. Amen to that.

    by thomskis

    I'll stay out the playpen and stick with the reviews from now. Nothing to add, 'pretentious' or retardedly profane.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST

    by thomskis

    Yes yes. Pat pat. Bye bye.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Cant wait for GL and Rick to black up for The Deep South premiere!

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Lucas makes bad WWII movies

    by captzeep

    Star Wars was a bad WWII movie, set in space.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST

    So, All Filmmakers Wannabe, You Want These Boards Moderated?

    by Daytripper69

    I believe these boards are moderated, to an extent. I could be wrong, but if someone goes far over the line with a personal remark about a certain AICN columnist or becomes obnoxious (such as putting up redundant posts, advertisements, etc) I believe the offending posts are deleted and the poster, banned. But to heavily moderate these boards by, say, deleting posts if they become too political or simply too mean or negative? ... Well, that takes away a lot of the fun of these boards. Yes, there will be lots of offensive crap in this board, but sometimes we see glimpses of truth as well --- and that, to me, makes putting up with the crap worthwhile. Reading these boards for years have taught me to recognize the 12-year-olds and the real adults, and I've learned to tune out the 12-year-olds. And besides --- these are all just words, and I've learned some time ago not to be swayed one way or another by posts and ultimately just form my own opinion.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Ahhh.. so THIS is why 'The Beard' is retiring...

    by LargoJr

    It just struck me as odd that he would wait a couple years AFTER 'Inbanana Jonez & The Kingpin of the Crystal Bong'... now it makes sense. He buried himself in this movie, and it is yet again another stinky poops. Perhaps NOW he'll stop working HARDER at doing the same thing repeatedly, and start trying something new or different. What I mean is.. if 'Right, left, right, left, right, back, down' isn't working... you don't push the buttons harder & faster.. TRY SOMETHING ELSE (or turn off the console and go outside & play?)

  • *ta daa!*

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Welcome the land of projection. I don't mean movie projection.

    by justmyluck

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Ebert gives it 2&1/2 : http://bit.ly/xHD97y

    by justmyluck

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    So In Other Words

    by chad kuhns

    Maybe it's not such a bad thing that Lucas is thinking of taking a step back, at least for the time being. Let's just look at the state of things. He did huge disservice to Star Wars fans with the new trilogy, and showed that he had lost the spirit of what made Indy a fun franchise. Now, this supposed labor of love is yet another hollow shell of what it could have been. Perhaps he began to anticipate negative reception of this film?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    What if George changed gears? Perhaps...

    by theDORK

    ...he and his hack, McCallum, could make Episodes -2, -1, and 0, showing the story of a pre-pubescent Shmi Skywalker. Throw in a few newborn Gungans, too. There. In one minute, I mimicked the Lucasfilm creative process.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Trailer looked like an absolute pile of crap

    by theblackvegtable

    Surprise, surprise the movie is an absolute pile of crap.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Will see this later today

    by Hipshot

    With fingers crossed. Expecting a flawed but enjoyable movie.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Moore12

    by theblackvegtable

    Go fuck yourself arsehole. Just saying it like it is.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST

    fighters were supposed to leave bombers

    by MDJouster

    In the early formations the fighters stuck to the bombers and the gave ze Germans a free pass at the bombers before the allied pilots engaged them. The plan was changed to seeking out the German fighters and stopping them before they got to the bombers. Then they started sending in the older planes first and holding off the Focke Wolf's until the escorts were distracted whichs is why we needed more planes to hang back with the bombers and await the second wave of fighters.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Expectations

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm not saying it's a good movie cause I haven't seen it, but I saw Lucas on the Daily Show saying it was corny and old fashioned, straight out of the 40s. The few reviews I've read offer the same as a critique, it seems. So maybe if it's watched as a purposeful throwback, not a tin-eared accident, it is more successful? Unfortunately, going to the movies is too expensive for me to experiment and find out.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    okapi, actually there have been a suprisingly large number of WWII airmen movies, but most were made some decades ago when the decomissioned fighter planes and bombers were more readily available to filmmakers. Real footage of real aircraft en masse such as in BATTLE OF BRITAIN or BRIDGE TOO FAR just won't happen again on that scale. And as far as CGI goes - it is really only in the last five years that photo realism for aircraft has been available, and arguably we're still not *quite there* even now. It's a sub genre of war movies that I personally really enjoy and am hoping that this film tanking (which it seems likely to) won't disrupt Peter Jacksons plans for a big budget DAMBUSTERS.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    allfilmakers/okapi

    by Mark

    umm this sight isnt the only one slamming the movie. Its getting reviews calling it dogshit across the board. If you dont like whats said in talkbacks theres an easy solution. DONT COME HERE! Go back to my little pony movie reviews.

  • They had apparently built at least one full-size bomber: http://dambustersblog.com/2011/11/08/dambusters-remake-quiet-progress/

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    cobra--kai beat me to it.

    by justmyluck

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:34 a.m. CST

    One clip I recently saw had one pilot say "die Nazi dogs!"

    by whatevillurks

    What give's me a chuckle is that Captain America look's more authentic then this.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    This movie needed Chris Tucker

    by NightArrows

    Chris Tucker, in his full Friday glory.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    A war movie from 1945

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That's what this basically is, but with CGI and a story that wouldn't have been tackled in 1945. It'll be interesting to watch from that perspective, but it's preaty obvious that this is not the "real" story, that would go to the HBO film from 1995. The saddest part about all of this is that Lucas is making this film out to be something it is not, the first big budget film starring african americans made by african americans. Apparently he's never heard of The Hughes Brothers, Spike Lee, John Singleton, etc.....

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Throw in the towel Lucas.

    by Johnny Crome

    Lucas needs to quit or stick to sci fi/action adventure films. This type of film making just isn't for him. I think Redtails will leave a bad taste in peoples mouths (if they even bother to go see it). Especially those who hold the story of The Tuskegee Airmen close to their hearts. Hell, Lucas should try to remake Shaka Zulu while he's at it. There's plenty of potential action sequences and ethnic characters to make baffoons out of. This guy is either way out of touch or a complete ass clown.

  • The prequels. Yeah they made money, but if they weren't Star Wars, they would've made about as much as Sky Captain.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    One more thing-What Capone brought up too

    by Samuel Fulmer

    There were many rumors swirling around Red Tails that it was heavily re-shot by Lucas. Other than Capone, I haven't heard this brought up in any of the other reviews I've read, but I do remember it being an issue a year or two ago (Wasn't this thing shot in late 2008/early 2009)???

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Speilberg...

    by Horned One

    ...would have knocked this movie out of the park. This is his kind of film. It's a shame it was done instead by Ego Vader. You remember... the guy who hunted down and murdered George Lucas sometime in the 80s?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I always knew you were a racist Capone.

    by blackmantis

    Kidding...I have little doubt the movie sucks. Thanks George for setting back the cause of black filmmakers another 10 years.

  • The three were never stronger than when together. Kasdan's Big Chill was his greatest effort outside the Ark union. Spielberg is the most successful apart from the group. Lucas utterly fails when he's separated from either of them.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    C'mon really???

    by Joe

    I'm a bit surprised at this commentary. Ok so you didn't like the film, but did it have to be so nitpicky? 1. GL Directed it. DUUUHHH, of course it's going to lack some semblance of a 'real story' and he uses cliche's just as bad as Eastwood! (yes I hated Million Dollar Baby over the top cliche's). 2. The cast reallly? i think we're stretching it here. ok so the cast has some great actors, and 2 rap artists. SO??? 3. The In-Air Dialogue. ok this is REALLY reaching. Have you ever heard how people talked back then. They said things like "UP YOURS ADOLF" or "GOSH" probably even "Take that Mr. Hitler". Dude, brush up on those times. that's how they spoke so it does fit the dialogue. Those are 3 things that I honestly look at your commentary and think "you just hate George Lucas". plain as the nose on your face. But don't expect this movie to be approving o an Oscar. Anyone who loves films are willing to excuse the writing in Star Wars becuase, "IT'S STAR WARS"! But that doesn't mean all the fans are wondering what's going to happen when GL kicks the bucket and the kids sell the rights to the highest bidding studio to 'remake them'. I'm not disagreeing that "Red Tails" from a 'technical standpoint' may not meet up to your high standards. But I fully intend on enjoying this as an entertaining Popcorn Flick and that's all. To take anything GL does seriously is like expecting our government to never tax you again. it's unrealistic. So are you really bashign the movie or just GL? Does the thought of GL directing a film just makes the film uttely suck for you regardless of anything else and then you painstakingly nitpick the hell out of it or are you taking an ubiased look. Most of your reviews have been spot on and i've enjoyed them, but this one really hit a nerve for me becuase i'm asking myself why are you bashing this movie so badly. The answer, "Cuz GL directed it" comes to my mind constantly. I mean no disrespect with my comments above. But also let's not make it sound like OMG GL SUCKS AT WRITING! Um, we know that! it's just like Michael Bay sucks at directing AND writing. but we go to his movies cuz it's 'entertaining' and I think we can't even compare movies like "Transformers", "Red Tails", etc. to movies like the upcoming "Promethus", "2011", Abyss, etc. I think the readers are pretty intelligent to figure out the difference between a J.J. Arbams quality film vs. a David Finch, or. a Michael Bay film. And expect such quality. Ok i'm finished. Thansk but i'm still going to see this film and ENJOY the Entertianment value even though the story might OMG suck?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    rex3166

    by NightArrows

    You are the one who should read up on your history if you think people said "up yours Hitler" and "Gosh". That is about the dumbest-fuck thing I have read this week. Seriously.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Lucas should've just written and directed the thing himself

    by seasider

    He was gonna get the blame for how this movie turned out either way.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    How you like that, Missah Lucas!!

    by Hangar315

  • ... we get a decent movie? Won't be long before someone tries it and posts it to YouTube.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    The moment Lucas' film making prowess ceased

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I think it was during the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. He just got lazy when he realized he could just CGI big crowds and background shots, and he kind of brought that whole tv assembly mentality to all Lucasfilm productions from Radioland Murders onward. Willow is that last thing that he did that (and yeah I know most people think it's shit) had kind of a big budget look and feel to it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    all filmakers want to be:

    by UltraTron

    You #%@&ing stupid $&@! sucking $&@% faced $&@!bag! Go &@$% yourself. See? You can show that comment to your kid. The reason you don't see much love for film is because there's not much to love. Only Malick made me feel like I was watching actual film anyway. Most of this shit is digital with horrible roll-off.

  • You have to weigh the shit against the roster of incredibly good characters he's brought us like mon Mothma

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    "all filmmakers wanna be" quit complaining about complaining

    by chifforobe

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Terence Howard in Hart's War

    by Kizeesh

    He's already doen the Tuskagee Airman schtick far better before now in Hart's War, a much underrated movie. This is shit, but hey, it's Lucas what were you expecting?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I'm all Lucas'd out

    by proevad

    Just got done shitting on him on 2 other threads. Nothing left in the colon.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    So, am I to believe that none of this is the fault of writer Aaron McGruder?

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    I love the guy's work on Boondocks, but subtlety is not his strong suit. He's also not one who's afraid to call somebody out. I'm sure if all of this was Lucas' fault he'd be one of the first people to say so. Unless, he's afraid of the ramifications...But, that doesn't sound like McGruder... Any thoughts?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I won't have a bad thing said about Willow.

    by loafroaster

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    NOT A WOMAN?

    by loafroaster

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    GENTLEMEN?

    by loafroaster

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    MEET LUG.

    by loafroaster

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    My only complaint about Willow...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    ...is that I never saw it in the theater.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    For one thing...Horrible title

    by proevad

    Re-title this fucker Cloud Gangstas or Death from Abova Brothas. Something more hip for the kids.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    @shut the fuck up donny

    by Mugato5150

    No, everything is Lucas' fault. Even though all Lucas did in Indy 4 was write the story, not the screenplay, everything that sucked about Indy 4 was on Lucas. The CGI gophers and monkeys, the infamous fridge scene (which was written by Daramaunt), the CGI ant, all Lucas. Nothing was the fault of the director of Indy 4....whoever he was, someone who obviously had no creative input. So whatever sucks about Red Tails from the screenplay that Lucas didn't write to the actual film he didn't direct is his fault. All this Lucas hate is from 30 somethings who are still pissed off about Jar Jar.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Re: samuel fulmer/RED TAILS

    by ArmageddonProductions

    samuel fulmer: not at all; I thought WILLOW was a great movie, but unfortunately just weird enough (midgets as protagonists) not to recoup its massive budget. Great score, surprisingly decent Ron Howard direction, one of Val Kilmer's best roles and it was the movie that made the technological CGI break-through called "morphing". For that matter, LABYRINTH was good (though it took years to finally garner a following). In both cases, though, I think Lucas was far more hands-off than he's been since the Special Editions were released.</p><p> RED TAILS probably failed because Lucas is just not that kind of filmmaker, and without the ability to understand the subject matter he was dealing with -- unfortunately, in his well-insulated ivory tower, it probably boiled down to "black guys shooting Nazis! In planes!" Even that recent interview with McCallum they posted here boiled it down to that. Ultimately, that's a shame, because McGruder, at least, had covered this material before in a pretty awesome episode of "The Boondocks" that went contrary to just about every WWII cliche', and I'm sure everyone else involved signed on to do a big-budget Tuskegee Airmen movie that did the material justice, not some half-baked WWII version of REVENGE OF THE SITH.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Careful Mugato, that kinda sarcasm around here can get a man killed!

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I thought this was all settled a while ago (Fridge nuking)

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That was from the an earlier draft of Back to the Future screenplay. Instead of the Delorean, Marty had to get nuked while in a fridge to time travel.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Just for the record I love Willow

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I just always got the vibe that most people thought it sucked. Yeah it's got flaws, some of them massive, but for me that's the last thing Lucas had his name attached to that I actually can say I like.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I buried one of these men.

    by Fawst

    I don't know which. I am on the board of a private cemetery here in Massachusetts. It's so small that my wife, her father and I do internments every once in a while along with the landscaping. Turns out that the first internment I did there two years ago was for a Tuskegee airman. He still doesn't have a headstone. Kinda sad, really. It was a really small gathering for the burial. At any rate, I was holding back a creeping sense of worry for this one. Bummer.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    It will be hard not to enjoy watching this fail

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Lucas has been whining about the 58M of his own money he had to sink into this – after making hundreds of millions off of the recent Star Wars Blu-rays, and having Billions in the bank. And, it has been interesting to hear that maybe some of the criticism actually got to him, if that’s the case then watching his vanity project bomb may be the final kick in the nuts he deserves for delivering such shitty Star Wars prequels.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Shut up, Peck!

    by Royston Lodge

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    OUTTA the way, Peck!

    by D.Vader

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Too bad. The dogfights look spectacular.

    by D.Vader

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Willow on Bluray-Maybe someday??

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I've always been against Lucas screwing with his films years later, but I really wish he'd put in that deleted fish monster scene back in. Supposedly it got cut for ratings reasons (didn't want a PG-13), but the movie could use another big action scene, and it would explain what the hell happened to the third acorn. It was going to take place right after Willow picked up muskrat Fin Razel on the island. It was actually shot because there's behind the scene footage of Warwick Davis in a boat with a big wind machine blowing water in his face on the behind the scenes documentary on the dvd.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    The characterization sounds as bad as FLYBOYS

    by D.Vader

    FLYBOYS- the ONLY movie I've ever willingly decided to turn off and miss the ending. Its that terrible. At one point, a character describes all the new pilots the way a screenwriter would through exposition: "Here's Tex, a rough and tumble ready to go pilot. And guys? Meet Jake. He wants to be a priest but feels a strong duty to his country. Blah blah blah..."

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Or maybe he could go the David Lynch route

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Like with the Blue Velvet bluray and just finish it up/color correct it and have it as a deleted scene, but an actual finished one, not the shit that's on the Star Wars Blurays.

  • ...Hoping people would think, 'hey, this'll be the last time i get to see a movie dirceted by Lucas' not much of an incentive to go see it. He basks in the 30 odd year old glory of Star Wars, a deluded man. He was always jelous of Marty, Coppella and Friedkin for their 70's style and groundbreaking movies. He thought his wealth was equal to their talent....wrong.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Oh and btw-Happy Birthday David Lynch!

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Why can't some of you talkbackers

    by Thomas

    Just keep your disappointed, aloof attitudes to yourself and let people rip on terrible movies in peace? And you didn't even have the courtesy to make your posts funny by sprinkling in pointless vulgarity and over the top insults. Booooriiiing.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    How does George Lucas sleep at night??

    by ScreamingPenis

    On a big pile of money!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Why talkbackers complain about movies...

    by vettebro

    because Hollywood doesn't give a flying fuck about it's "customers" anymore. (That's us.) They release shitty after shitty movie year after year. There was a time when a good story, and artistic quality mattered. The price of going to the movie is high these days. Frankly it's just not worth it anymore with the crap Hollywood serves us now. Remember the 70's & 80's? Alot of good movies came out of that era. Sadly those days are long gone. As long as people keep paying good money to see these shitty movies, the longer Hollywood will keep making them.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I'm not one to defend George Lucas but...

    by conspiracy

    the entire intent of this film was supposedly to create that "Certoonish", glorified, John Wayne style propaganda war films like were made from 1940-1960something. So it should be no surprise that is exactly what it is. Still...there is a RIGHT way to do that kind of film, and a wrong way...and judging from what I'm reading out on the webz...George and his minions once again took the wrong turn.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Thats "Cartoonish" folks...

    by conspiracy

    I'm kinda Lucased out...but I will bitch about the lack of an edit button. Wench...COFFEE!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Two headed dragon in WILLOW? I thought it was more of a slug monster, a bit like the giant asteroid worm in ESB. Maybe i'll have to watch the movie again - did you guys see a slug monster or a dragon?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Should we wait for the Special Edition?

    by kidicarus

  • Good job George.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    conspiracy-Yeah that's what I got

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Lucas even said in a recent interview that it was a corny film like the John Wayne starring Nicholas Ray directed The Flying Leathernecks. Straight up genre throwbacks don't really appeal to audiences anymore though. I liked the Black Dhalia (other than being in color and being more graphic, the acting and dialogue was straight out of a 1940's noir) and The Good German, but no one went to see them and they were critically lambasted.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Well, it breathed fire didn't it? I guess that makes it a Dragon?

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    The "dragon" itself never left much of an impression. What left an impression was the scene before it when Willow zapped that troll thing and it transformed into the dragon. That's some creepy-ass John-Carpenter's-The-Thing-like shit right there.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    My Mother Love Willow...and it does have it's moments.

    by conspiracy

    Namely anytime Joanne Whalley is on screen...I shed flesh to that woman over the years. Plus...anything with Billy Barty in it can't be all bad. But it isn't a great film by any stretch of the imagination.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Cant wait for mr Plinkett's review of Red Tails.

    by KilliK

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    My Mother LovED Willow

    by conspiracy

    Again...sorry... And no I don't mean she LOVED Willow in the literal sense...fucking perverts.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Choppah...my Brother...my prose await your inspiration!

    by conspiracy

    Just give me time to wake up first...West Coast time here...

  • ..because, as stated above, we're getting a tremendous amount of shit from the studios.

  • Plinkett reviews tend to be saved for movies with some pedigree behind them, and an in-depth analysis as to how the film in question completely diverts from the elements that gave the film/filmmaker its qualities. Lucas has already been picked over clean by them, and Red Tails is no film being paraded as a piece of milestone cinema.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Killik that's uncalled for

    by D.Vader

    I think movies like Soul Plane killed modern black cinema, not a poor movie about an important historical event in America.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    killik...Not Sure what would be worse...

    by conspiracy

    a Silly, Cartoony, historically inaccurate, over embellished Lucas inspired and crafted Red Tails. Or an over preachy, plodding, historically inaccurate, did I say PREACHY Spike Lee Joint Red Tails. In fact...is there any film maker out there today that could do an honest, historically accurate but still entertaining War Movie these days?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy: Eastwood?

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

  • In a George Lucas movie? No!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    scatman, it wont

    by Bass Ackwards

    He was in the daily show recently, he's already mentally prepared himself to write off criticism and poor box office by saying audiences weren't ready for an action film with an African American cast.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST

    conspiracy: Herzog

    by Thomas

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Sorry Dogmatic

    by D.Vader

    Flyboys is TERRIBLE, the script is just horrendous! But hey, to each his own!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    shut the fuck up donny..Eastwood...hmm..maybe.

    by conspiracy

    Although his films I've seen tend to move a little slow... Letters from Iwo Jima is just a fucking beautiful film though...a great cast used well by Eastwood.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Honestly, dogmatic, I saw Flyboys 5 years ago

    by D.Vader

    On a plane. And I thought it was so bad, I turned it off after a major character died. I didn't want to waste my time watching a movie I thought had a fairly terrible script. I chose to watch a different movie for the rest of the ride. That said, the dogfights *were* fantastic. But I don't remember much else.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Lucas said he wanted this to be a trilogy

    by smackfu

    yikes

  • I shit you not. Maybe he was kidding?!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Lucas = Greatest Example of Peter Principle Ever

    by menacingphantom

    Except he promoted himself into the job he is bad at, which is a new twist.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    zombie_fatigue

    by Thomas

    I honestly can't believe what you just said, I don't care if you can back it up with articles or anything really.

  • So maybe he was just kidding. Anyway, here is the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?ref=global-home

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    My ass breathes fire when I light a fart... Doesn't make me a dragon.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Yes Lucas was joking about Lee and Perry directing

    by D.Vader

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Lee

    by P

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    cobra-kai

    by Thomas

    because dragons breathe fire out of their mouths, duh.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Actually I'd love it if Peter Jackson got hold of the original model of that two headed thing from WILLOW and used it for Smaug. I wanna see that freaky stop motion monger monster talking with Benedict Cumberbatch's voice.

  • At the least, the dog fighting will be great pop corn spectacle to see at the cinema.

  • Ah, well, I can't comment because I don't know anything about plumbing.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    opps meant 2010

    by even9

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    zombie_fatigue

    by Thomas

    good, I'm glad to know my world isn't actually tearing apart at the seams.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    No Cobra Kai

    by D.Vader

    That makes your ASS a dragon. ASS DRAGON!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I want Willow on blu!

    by darthpigman

    That fish monster action scene sounds amazing! I want it!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Throwback to the 40's style of cinema

    by Samson_K

    Isn't a bad thing really - but writers don't necessarily have the skills and talent to harken back to that style of film making without making it into a parody. The only film that I can think of that did capture that essence for me was The Hudsucker Proxy. There's nothing wrong with joyous corn - there's a lot wrong with forced joyous corn. I don't have an awful lot of interest in this to be honest as excellent battle sequences don't engage me without decent and compelling story surrounding them. My main reason for disliking most of Lucasfilm's post 80's output. I haven't seen it obviously but it looks to me like 30% spectacle, 60% trite and bland drama and 10% 'Important Film making'

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    So, basically, it's GLORY_Light

    by aphextwin

    but my question will be; do they eat Chicken wings at some point during the movie? *drum* you get it?...wings? *crickets*

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    You know, there really are very few really good fighter plane movies.

    by Royston Lodge

    If you think about it, all the fighter plane movies are best known for awesome scenes, but aren't really known as great movies as a whole. Take Top Gun. It's known for the volleyball scene mostly. Take 633 Squadron. A terribly dull movie that's known for the awesome battle scene at the end. Iron Eagle? Whatever. The Dambusters is good, but it's more about the research and development than about the mission itself. The story and characters on the ground is more interesting than the action scene. The Tuskeegee Airmen was a very good movie, but it actually features very little aerial combat, and it was all stock footage. The story is good because it's really all about the characters. The movie is about the airmen, not their airplanes. I suppose one could say that Wings won the first Academy Award for best picture, but I haven't seen it so I cannot really judge. How much of Wings is about the dogfights and how much is about the men on the ground? At the end of the day, I think that dogfights really aren't visually interesting enough to sustain an entire movie. You need to build the movie around the story and characters on the ground FIRST. Imagine if Star Wars was all about the starfighter battles instead of all the adventures on the ground? It would have been terribly dull. You can only watch one group of identical fighter planes do battle with another group of identical fighter planes before it all starts to blur together.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Sadly...

    by Darth Thoth

    Capone is spot on with this review. It features the worst script in years. Some parts are laughably bad. That said, the actors are great, the action is cool, the score is awesome, and this is certainly a film worth supporting in terms of broader historical/social/political significance. My hope is that adolescent boys (and of course, girls) will fall head over hills for the film and want to learn more about this history. That would make it a success. But yeah, it's a terrible shame this movie fails on so many levels. It's essentially a popcorn movie that just happens to be based on historically significant material. I don't mean to beat a dead drum but again, it's just like the Prequels- all flash and no substance. Honestly, it's irresponsible filmmaking. Nobody in their right mind could be proud of how choppy this script is. Inexcusable. On a final note, warts aside, the movie does instill a deep sense of pride, at least for me. I saw it with my friend whose grandfather was a Tuskegee Airmen, only to return home to the states and endure deep racism. Lucas spoke of subsequent movies coming out- both a prequel (how the Tuskegee Airmen came about in the first place) and a sequel (what happened once they returned home to the country they fought to defend) to this film. I want to see those stories (I'm not holding my breath). But only with decent screenplays that honor such tales of courage, valor, and racial justice.

  • Big rant lost because of the crappy script on here Basically was saying that I hate that argument with a passion and that the dolts that use it would never take the same attitude if someone came to their house in their capacity as a plumber and made a shitty job doing it. No-one ever says - That plumbing is really bad but I can't comment because I've never plumbed. It's an argument used by witless idiots!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    @all filmmakers wanna be

    by Anthony Torchia

    Jesus, get a life And Fuck off too This talkback is THERAPY Now fuck off some more

  • It will hurt future movies featuring black characters. Wow, what a way to guilt people into watching a crappy movie. I think WATCHING this movie will hurt the future of movie featuring black characters. The best thing Hollywood can do for black movies is to bury Lucas' piece of shit before anyone can see it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Oh and all filmmakers wanna be

    by Samson_K

    All filmmakers wanna be - what? Chartered accountants? Superheroes? Unicorns? I am very seldom a grammar nazi but I feel okay about being one with you. All filmmaker wannabes - might be more apt to what you were saying.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Shocker!

    by thommcg

    George Lucas responsible for bad film. I don't believe it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Choppah

    by Samson_K

    No problem - I do believe that the most insane of all posters on here are only classed that way because they don't check back on their posts. As for your pooping habits - well I respect the relationship someone has with their toilet and still believe that a man's poop is very much his own business.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Can't decide which is the greatest accomplishment....

    by Richie

    1. Fighting the Nazi's in WW2 OR 2. Inspiring George Lucas to retire Either way Thank you!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    royston lodge, watch The Right Stuff

    by kidicarus

    May be about the early space program, but as the early space program consisted of all of America's best hotshot fighter pilots, it still counts.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Over at Rotten Tomatoes

    by lochkray

    The amalgamated Critics reviews earned this film a rating of 34% liking. Audience reviews have 81% of the audience enjoying the movie. Average critic rating 5/10 Average viewer rating 4/5 (or, one could argue, 8/10) A lot of the comments here seem to be, "yeah, I knew it would suck," but not much "I saw it and it sucked." Equal amounts of "I saw it and thought it was good," certainly. Capone certainly seems to hate it. But I'm wondering. Is the movie awful, or just divisive?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    kidicarus: You cite The Right Stuff as a fighter plane movie?!?!

    by Royston Lodge

    Are you high? It has nothing to do with fighter planes!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    The Right Stuff is indeed a great movie.

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Not a fighter pilot movie, but really really good. Plus it's directed by the guy that Lucas and Spielberg always forget to give credit it's director Phillip Kaufman when they do interviews for coming up with the Ark as the object Indy is chasing after in Raiders.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    filmmakers wanna be speaks the truth

    by HolyJebus

    Couldn't agree with him more. And all the highly intelligent, witty responses couldn't have backed him up more. I really am sick of the talkbackers on this site. Completely ruins it for me. I just want to get film news and reviews. Obviously I will get abuse for this post and told to Fuck off, so please advise me of another site I can fuck off to. Seriously, a good movie site with up-to-date news, reviews?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by Andrew

    That this isn't good. The trailers weren't stunning, plus it is still January. It is surprising that George Lucas got credit for this, like he directed it himself. When does a producer ever get credit over a director? That's weird.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    winteriscoming-Well they do when

    by Samuel Fulmer

    The film was started filming three years ago, and some of that time Lucas spent actually directing the re-shoots. Think of Spielberg and Tobe Hooper on Poltergeist.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Garbage

    by CT1

    The new Spiderman Reboot will definitely "cleanse our palate", if you will, and make us forget all about the horrible, horrible condition the creative heartbeat of Hollywood is in.. you're not always going to have a Christopher Nolan around to bale you out. Go enjoy your "Contraband", #1 movie in America; you've earned it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Spiderman Reboot is going to make you throw up in your mouth.

    by shutupfanboy

    Back on topic, CNN gave Red Tails a good review.

  • Yes, I've spotted you under several handles on two sites today. And 'Have a nice day' will not become a meme. Stop trying.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    @lakewater...

    by Blue_Demon

    "...the candid feedback that filmmakers need to read..." Sadly, they've been reading it for years and nothing has happened. Geeks think they have some kind of power to make things happen, but they don't. Remember Snakes on A Plane? Nobody, NOBODY gives a shit about what any of us in the talkbacks say. And why should they? Listen to how we talk to each other: "I liked that movie!" "You liked it? Fucking die in a fire you worthless ass!!!" Yeah, I'd care about their opinions too. The only thing Hollywood cares about is money. If product gets good reviews and awards, so be it. But it's a business. A great business. If they put out a shitty product, nothing can make them recall it! Hell, The Phantom Menace was the Ford Pinto of movies...and nobody died. Wotta scam! :)

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Lucas will make his money back

    by Samuel Fulmer

    How much you wanna bet he'll donate a bunch of Red Tails DVDs to high schools accross the country as a tax write off. Every year in Februrary kids will be forced to watch this movie. Bye bye Glory, hello Red Tails!

  • Alert the presses! World's worst director / writer / producer manages to make another piece of crap that intermittently looks not-so-bad! News at 11.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    AICN/TBers hate a GL movie? I'm shocked!

    by Jay

    Funny how there's barely a mention of the actual director & writer from everyone. Mention Empire Strikes Back or Indy around here and it's all "Kershner, Kasdin & Spielberg." I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. I'm sure by all accounts this will be worse than Transformers 3 and Green Hornet. Or did AICN forget that it gave those glowing reviews? LOL...

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Remember Snakes on A Plane?

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Yeah, wasn't that thing how people online were actually "sarcastically" saying it looked like the greatest movie ever and actually laughing at the fact that such a film would even get made, and somehow Hollywood types thought this meant people actually wanted to go watch it. I mean look at the Chuck Norris internet stuff. I don't think because people make fun of the guy on-line by making up things that he supposedly does translates to anyone actually wanting to watch a Chuck Norris movie.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    bantuwind-Maybe because

    by Samuel Fulmer

    None of those films were re-shot by Lucas.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    And I guess I should add

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Allegedly

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Terrence Howard's career is in the toilet

    by Titus05

    has gone downhill ever since he was fired from Iron Man 2...so Lucas wants to focus on smaller movies but every time he attempts this it's an absolute fail...just continue to make Star Wars movie until the end George

  • Still, you gambled with black cinema and you lost. Fucking producers... Thanks, now we'll have to go back to playing the bumbling sidekicks or shit-talking bodyguards. Guess we can always wait for another movie about white people experiencing black people being black people again.... FUCK!!!!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Invasion USA is the greatest Chuck Norris movie ever made. I wish every summer they would come out with a sequel to that movie.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    And maybe you should add...

    by Jay

    completely made up by me!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    You could tell how bad it was from the trailers

    by veritasses

    Hammy dialogue that sounded like it was delivered by an over enthusiastic teenager in their first school play.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    bantuwind-Look it up fool

    by Samuel Fulmer

    The film started shooting in early 2009. In early 2010 Lucas did a series of reshoots in which Anthony Hemingway did not take part in because he was shooting Treme. Fast forward two years later and the film is finally being released. To me that says Lucas did not like what Hemingway shot and heavily re-shot, re-tooled the film, much in the way Howard Hughes did back in the old RKO days.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Ivasion USA is the pinaccle of Chuck cinema in my opinion

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Timely, and like a live action version of a 1980's G.I. Joe cartoon.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Audience reviews have 81% of the audience enjoying the movie.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Must be polling from Oakland, St.Louis, Houston, or any other of the ghetto infested cities/suburbs here in America. On second thought, they were probably polling in the rich liberal enclaves of Marin County, San Francisco, or Berkely. Where the quality of the movie doesnt count as much as the subject matter.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    And if this thing took 4 years to finish

    by Samuel Fulmer

    You'd think Lucas would do Hemingway the courtesy of letting him come back and direct whatever re-shoots he wanted, unless of course Lucas was really unimpressed with what he had, didn't want the bad press of firing an african american director from his film celebrating african american history, and just used the excuse of doing re-shoots when said african american director is unavailable.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    "release the kraken" was a great line

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Can't believe nobody else is standing up for it! in other news, wow, Lucas made a depressingly stupid movie... shocking. Only Empire Strikes Back was really any good anyway.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    And no I'm not saying that this is 100 % what happened

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But going off it took 4 years to finish and the director wasn't around for reshoots, something doesn't smell right. I mean yeah I'm sure the effects took more than 5 minutes to do, but we're not talking Lord of the Rings/Avatar F/X here.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Or should I say

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Three years 2009-2012.

  • Since playing Julia Roberts husband in Larry Crowne, he's been in Drive, Contagion, Red Tails, John Carter, and coming up in Rock Of Ages, Total Recall, and voice work on Madagascar 3, along with the next season of Breaking Bad among others.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    The HBO Tuskeegee movie in the 90's was fine.

    by Embeedeuce

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    This was co-written by the creator of the Boondocks?

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Maybe thats why the racial material is well done , while the rest is cliche infested.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    This is not a surprisé...

    by Sprinky

    He wants just to invest a small amount of money and time on it. I would've loved if another director took a crack at this as it is an interesting piece of history. Sorry George....we know you love history but keep reading history books instead of trying to produce or direct one. And this is a guy who wants to direct and produce indie movies.....good luck George you're going to need it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    So it's pretty much a Flyboys sequel/remake/reimagening?

    by jim

    I was looking forward to this movie. Then I saw the trailer, with "Rule.... The..... Sky". Those 3 words all but killed my interest in seeing this. It was just so cheesy. Plus, I'm sure I've seen it before in another trailer. Might have been Flyboys but not sure (maybe the video game Crimson Skies?). Regardless, I figured if the movie is even half as cheesy as the trailer is making it out to be, I'm not going to like it. Capone quote: "There's a moment when the black pilots are invited into a whites-only officers club for drinks, not long after one Red Tail was beaten severely in the same establishment, and the whole place embraces them as equals--after one successful mission." If that really happened, fine. Real life can sometimes be that simplistic and corny. However, it is nonetheless very similar to a scene from Flyboys between the veteran pilots and the rookie pilots and who's allowed to drink at the bar. Flyboys was flawed but I basically liked it. Maybe I'll like this too when I see it. However, based on a marketing campaign that makes me not want to see it, and the less-than-positive reviews I've read, maybe I won't be rushing out to theaters but instead wait for the DVD. Flyboys had some pretty interesting special features, maybe this will too, making home-viewing the way to go, at least for me.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    13-16 million opening weekend. If the bitch is lucky.

    by AzulTool

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Bravo, what an excellent review. Another $15 saved! Yay!

    by D o o d

    Lucas, please stick to your word and give up on film making!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Did George George step in the poopee?

    by Rtobert

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    regardless of how you feel about Mr. Lucas

    by tpp

    ANYONE of you who talks down on his films would KISS HIS ASS if he offered you a role in anyone of them, plain and simple. Also, for all the people who long for the "good old days" of great film making from the 60's and 70's PLEASE remember not all the films were good like such classics as "Zaat" (1971) or perhaps the classic "Santa and the Ice Cream Bunny" (yes, it is an actual title).

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    It looked terrible in every preview, trailer, etc.

    by Jaka

    I have never understood what kool-aid folks were drinking with this one.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Who plays Red Five?

    by Embeedeuce

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    rdy2grple

    by D o o d

    I'm not hating on Lucas as a person, as I'm sure he's a lovely guy. I'm hating on his skill as a Manager/Director. I'm sure the cut made by the director was much better before lucas got his hands on it. There's a lot of stuff Lucas has done that will always be recognised in history of film making and achievements towards the advancement of cinema. However, as a director, he's not the guy he used to be!

  • Probably the same kool-aid they drank when they bought the very mixed bag Star Wars Sage blurays that came out last Fall.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Filmmakers - you ignorant slut

    by gboybama

    Let's see. Where do I start? I used to worry about silly stuff like the Golden Rule on the internet. I wanted to reflect my values, refinement and education. Then I played MMO's for a couple of years and came to respect the trashy, vile, vulgar free-for-all that is the internet. It's reflected noplace better than in these talkbacks. So go grow a penis and join in the brawl or get lost ya wuss. We're too busy having a good time to babysit your weak ass.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    As others have said ...

    by Vince Ricardo

    ... it was pretty obvious, from the trailers, that Red Tails was going to be filled by ridiculous "no one talks that way in real life" speeches masquerading as dialogue, and terrific-looking airplane battles. Kinda reminded me of (speaking of Star Wars) Michael Stackpole's Star Wars: X-Wing books. Of course, I enjoyed those, maybe I'll enjoy Red Tails ... when it comes out on DVD/Blu-Ray. Incidentally, is it just me or does the scene where the Tuskagee pilots gather in a circle and shout each other up remind one of Ray Lewis or Drew Brees or any of a number of NFL players tryin' to rouse their teammates up before a game? I thought that was pretty ludicrous speed.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    samuel fulmer - not at all the same thing

    by Jaka

    That's nostalgia and memories - there's feelings, emotions and attachments involved. None of that exists with this movie and, to me, it always looked laughably bad. I said so in the first talkbacks for it and people thought I was nuts. *shrug* Whatever.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Ray Lewis in Red Tails

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That would get me in the theater.

  • The battle scenes soar, thanks to top-notch and thrilling special effects. Quieter scenes give characters added dimension, such as those that address one officer's drinking problem. Must be from Teabagger and Evangelical At the Movies.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    "What about that bomber?"

    by durhay

    "You worry about those fighters I worry about the bomber."

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    lawter

    by Dr.007

    maybe someone either involved in the movie or here on this site can make something happen so this guy has a stone. I mean he could be in Arlington. Do you have a name for the guy?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    niceties aside

    by Dr.007

    yeah the dialogue in the ads and trailer were beyond cringeworthy. i was just hoping some ad guy thought those were the most rousing and pulled out the bad lines leaving something of quality for the theater experience. my bad

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Good idea Lucas, maybe you should retire...

    by SkitZo

    Before you do that, hand over Star Wars and Indy to somebody that can do these franchises justice instead of regurgitating turds.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    It's "Let Loose the Kraken," not "Release the Kraken" ...

    by Vince Ricardo

    ... unless you're talking about the recent "Clash of the Titans" remake, which I only saw the first 45 minutes of. Don't know what Liam Neeson (he was Zeus in that one, correct?) might have said. I think "Release the Kraken" is about the same as when people misquote Darth Vader as saying "Luke, I am your father." Enough people say it the wrong way and people tend to forget that's not how it was said in movie. Heck, I went through a couple of years where I said "Release the Kraken" myself. Thank goodness for an old VHS tape of Clash of the Titans that helped set me straight (Literally - the tape came alive and bitch slapped me until I said the phrase correctly).

  • ... and I'm including bikini-clad slave Leia though, of course, slave Leia will always hold a place in my, um, heart.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Nah...definitely Slave Leia...

    by SkitZo

    then Joanne Whalley as a very close 2nd.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Re: "Any One of You Would Kiss Lucas's Ass ..."

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Would I kiss George Lucas's ass if he (inexplicably) offered me a role in or, even better, financing for a movie? Absolutely not. First of all, as an actor, you can pretty much guarantee that, unless your name ends with "Ford", "Neeson" or "Guiness", you will come off looking bad in a George Lucas movie.</p><p> Then, let's say that, tomorrow, Lucas discovers that "INTERGALACTIC MIDGET MAGIC" script I've been noodling around with for the last twenty years and wants to give me all the money and resources I need to make it. I've actually been in the studio system a couple of times and those guys are complete assholes. They have no idea how to tell a story or even how to fail in an entertaining manner. Those guys tell you how to rewrite your script, what film angles and effects are acceptable and how to edit your movie. As horrible as that may sound? That's still infinitely preferable to having George Lucas standing over your shoulder telling you how to do it. I mean, fuck, if Spielberg can't knock down that roadblock, how in the hell is some new kid expected to do it? No thanks. I'll die poor and forgotten and not go through the agony of being the Jake Lloyd of indy filmmakers instead.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I bet some people couldn't wait to bash Lucas.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    And I bet it's no worse than many other similar films.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    I don't like everything Lucas did with Star Wars but I get the impression the knives will be out for Lucas no matter what he does. Maybe some of this Lucas hate is by former employees who've disagreed with him.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Other Hollywood war films have twisted facts and are cheesy.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Lucas knows the prequels stink

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Because I watched that Star Wars dog VW commercial, and I sure as hell don't see a Jar Jar or Captain Panaka dog!

  • I assumed that's the movie he meant (as I'm sure most everyone did). Not only is that how they say it in that movie, but "Release the Kraken" is also in the trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXttqg0RWU8 Go to 1:44

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Look at that ridiculous U571 with Jon Bon fuckin Jovi

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    I seem to remember a few critics in Hollywood gave that good reviews but the whole film was a load of bullshit and untrue.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    And what's wrong with concentrating more on the aerial battles?

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Most people know the Tusgegee airmen story by now and the other film dealt with the race issues more.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    big jim

    by proevad

    When anyone refers to Clash of the Titans on this board they are referring to the Harryhausen film, not to that piece of shit that came out a few years ago.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I've basically skipped most war movies from the past decade

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Other than Hurt Locker and A Very Long Engagement, they've all looked like cheesefests so I've steered clear. I miss those old 'Nam movies from the 80's. Now that was a time when we got to see war films that didn't seem like military recruitment circle jerks.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I'll check Red Tails out when it makes it's way to Bluray

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Just to see the dogfights, even though some of the reviews are saying the effects are kind of dodgy.

  • ... why would I, or most everyone, assume anyone would quote the damn thing? LOL! Regardless, I did mention the possibility of their "Release" bein' from the remake. I've never watched enough of it to get to that part. From what I saw in the first 45 minutes, I didn't feel like wasting any more time on it.

  • From Lucas to the actual Tuskegee airmen (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-tuskegee-pilots-20120120,0,7618424.story), everyone seems to know that this is purposely a popcorn fantasy for a story and demographic that never got the Hollywood glitzy treatment for itself. I haven't seen it, so I can't rate its quality, but from what I've read you seem to be misunderstanding the intent of the film.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    proevad

    by jim

    You are correct, except for when they do mean the remake. The line "Release the Kraken" was more memorable and more popular than the remake it came from.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    vince_ricardo, like I said, the line was in the trailer

    by jim

    Even people who haven't seen the movie, or remember what movie it is from, know the line. It has found its way into popular culture, probably even more so than "This IS Sparta!" did a few years earlier. Probably why, for the past couple of years, you've been hearing it quoted "wrong". You think they are quoting the original when they are actually quoting the remake (or, really, quoting the trailer). At least what you saw of the movie you didn't see in 3D. Worst. 3D Conversion. Ever.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    At least Lucas TRIED to make and made a film about them.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Again I don't agree with everything Lucas has done especially some of the childish shit in the prequels.....but at least give him some credit for putting his own money into making this film.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Seeing as no other fucker in Hollywood wanted to make it.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Makes you wonder if there's some people in Hollywood etc who didn't want to see this film made.

  • Okay, I'm being a bit melodramatic, but it is sort of how I feel about it. SW prequels, at least Ep I and II did tarnish the originals quite a bit. I do have some love for Ep III though. I think it was Indy IV that really pissed me off the most. Of course Spielberg is half to blame for that one. As for Red Tails, I knew from the trailer we might be getting a cliched WWII film. So this review doesn't surprise me. To say it stands a good chance of being the worst film of 2012 though? That seems a bit much. Of course, people said that about Battle LA last year, which came out pretty early, in March I believe. I still want to see this though. Being a big WWII buff, I can't pass this one up.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Wait, the Boondocks guy was a writer on this?!

    by MooseMalloy

    The over-hyped hack who didn't realize Jar Jar was Jamaican? The only thing I ever saw on the Boondocks that was remotely cool, of the little I watched it, was Sam Jackson voicing the white gangsta.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Lord of Flight: It was already made, as The Tuskeegee Airmen.

    by Royston Lodge

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    U571 - it was worse than an unmemorable piece of trite.......

    by david starling

    .......It completely glossed over the bloody truth!! And no, some text at the end of the film didn't bloody make up for it!! And I'm shocked it picked up good reviews (as I believe it did on this site) - I don't think I've seen such a derivative piece of crap in a long time!!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Rose Byrne and Keira Knightly both appeared in Star Wars movies.

    by Royston Lodge

    They're pretty hot.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Should have remade the Bridge at Remagen.

    by whatevillurks

    But with the all black engineer corp's who tried to secure the bridge represented. They were left out of the original. Would also be interesting to show what it was like being a German civilian and trapped in the cross fire.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Nobody wanted to make this because...

    by Chris

    This isn't some untold tale, if you know American history you know the story of the Tuskegee Airmen. This movie is an attempt to market their story to kids and families as an effects laden film, filled with CGI aerial battles. It has nothing to do with telling the story of the Tuskegee Airmen. You want a real UNTOLD story? How about a film about the governments syphilis experiments on blacks in Tuskegee, Alabama along with similar experiments they conducted across the U.S. before and after those events? There was a movie made a few years ago about it, but none filled with epic CGI aerial battles.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Gina Carano...Pain is the Ultimate Orgasm...

    by conspiracy

    Gina and anal? That's a no brainer to even the most sheltered of sexually mature adults. Gina doesn't just desire anal...it is one of the few ways,that she can achieve orgasm, and has given her an edge in her professional life. A Las Vegas bred Psychology major, Gina actually began her long road down the Hersey Highway in highschool...where the endorphin high of extreme physical activity in sports first made it's presence known. A standout Softballer in highschool, Carano would often run extra laps around the diamond, long past the time of exhaustion..pushing herself ever harder, to the point of physical breakdown as the exquisite pain traveled up her muscular inner thighs before reaching the crux of her sweat drenched teenaged womanhood...though the hot showers and attentions from her teammates provided little long term relief. It wasn't the glory of the win that pushed her to Sporting Excellence...it was the intense, all consuming desire of her throbbing clitoris for extreme stimulation that drove her on. As the years went by, Gina's exploration of human psychology took her further down the masochistic Glory Hole..., until she discovered Muay Thai and MMA. Never before had she experienced such an intoxicating mixture of pain and pleasure, every grasp, hold and strain was met with wave after wave of intense sexual pleasure...her path was set. Soon, however, her love of pain, violence and sex took an unexpected turn...a turn towards her darkside...her anal side.. It was in Thailand; her trainer, a small, WISE yet violent Thai man had hired a beautiful, but well trained sparring partner for her that day. Gina, who had long had strong bi-sexual experiences, admired the lithe Asian beauty on the mat opposite her, beautiful as she was...she didn't look like she could inflict the pain and violence Carano desired in her partners...the training mat and the cage long having become the only place to sate her sexual desires. But her trainer had a new approach for this day...and before allowing either of the dangerously beautiful women to train, forced them to strip to the nude. Unquestioning and excited, Gina could not tear her clothes from her muscular body fast enough. Within moments of disrobing Carano was staggered by a lightening quick flurry from her partner...the sting going directly to her already moist vulva. The two women took a moment, leering into each others eyes, both knowing this was more than training, more than fighting...both communicating their mutual, unspoken desires. Their slick, sweaty bodies soon pressed together...clenching, grasping for a hold on the other...Gina soon found herself grinding hard into as she straddled the thigh of the light brown girl...her large bulbous clit engorged and exposed as it was past her swollen mound. Together, they both writhed, letting their slick bodies mold into each others, breast upon breast, their muscled abs tight together, Gina buried her face into the shoulder of the shorter woman, trying in vain to hide her pleasure. On they grappled, she felt the Asian woman grasping at her Ass, moving her smooth legs against her own, seeking both pleasure and an advantage....seeking a hold to force the match to the mat, she felt the fingers of the Thai girl dig into the tight sweaty flesh of her ass cheek...pulling it apart from the other...exposing her hot spasming shittube for all to see...felt the womans fingers move closer as her own hold on the woman increased with each pleasurable move. Carano moved a leg under her opponent, causing herself to stumble, while allowing the womans hand an easier reach towards it's ultimate target..the womans thin, slick finger penetrated Gina's aching rectum...and her competitive fire was aflame. She fell upon the Thai girl...her lust unchecked...sweaty, slick, smooth feminine bodies entwined on the sweat soaked mat, Ginas hand brushed over the hard dark brown nipples of the supine woman; who gasping returned the favor by thrusting up into Carano's swollen vulva...her hip bone grinding hard into Gina's by now dangerously erect sex button. For just a moment, Gina lost her concentration and it was all the Asian fighter needed...tossing Gina off onto her stomach, and pouncing upon her...forcing Carano's arm behind her back. Gina screamed at her bodies betrayal...and at the intense pleasure the pain was feeding her body. She felt her arm being forced farther and farther..with every movement a fresh spasm tore through her cunt...a milky pool of her sex spreading on the mat below her....she was going to loose to a sparring partner...and cum while doing it. Gina felt the sweat from her partner drip onto her lips...letting her tongue dart forth to taste the salty sweetness of her opponent, felt her small tight body upon her own, the incredible hardness of the girls nipples as they pressed into her back;...then before she could react...the small woman's arm wrap around her smooth, sensitive throat. Gina's body shuddered with sexuality as the life giving air was slowly denied her, her lack of breath the only thing keeping her from crying out in sexual bliss. It was at this moment, with his star student prone on the ground, too far into her own pleasure to compete...that her trainer, wise in the way's of a woman like Gina, put his new training method into motion; for he knew how to harness the carnal fury and guide it towards victory. Sprinting to the mat and kneeling next to the combatants...he whispered to the intense training partner, deep in her own violence fanned desire, of her place, and reaching into his bag produced a large diameter, massively ribbed butt plug. Holding it to the Thai girls face he needed give no command...she spat upon it, taking her long pink tongue slathered her hot spittle over and around the massive ass dong. "Do NOT be a Looser...",he admonished Carano, moving behind her to where her splayed legs had left her quivering gravy trough exposed "...use your desires to drive you to victory!" And in one violent movement forced the hard ribbed tool into Gina's tight sweaty spasming turd cutter. Gina's body instinctively spasmed in a violent, uncontrolled, pain fueled full body orgasm...her powerful legs kicking the trainer 3 feet, the taught Thai partner lost all hold and flew from Carano's body, landing on her back. Gina still deep in the throws of her passion rose to her hands and knees...her ass thrusting as if fucking the air as the nub of the massive dong protruded from it...she screamed in pain, fury and lust. She quickly straddled the young thai woman, her thighs tight around the small womans throat, Gina pinched down with them...feeling of the womans neck muscles quivering on her thighs as she tried to swallow, the sensation increasing her lust; only the trainer grabbing her hair and forcefully dragging her from the defeated girl kept her from killing the girl. The pain in her ass had driven her past all she had known, it had given her the power not just to finally find sexual satisfaction after years of searching, but had shown her the path toward victory in the cage. Gina had discovered her true self....violence, sex, and anal fury..a magical mix. Till this day Gina keeps with her at all times that very same anal plug...and often keeps it inserted for hours at a time when the desire hits, or confidence needed. Gina Carano...fighter, lover of violent sex and most especially anal.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah she has a nice ass

    by MooseMalloy

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    I'm a Willow fan as well

    by lv_426

    Oh no. Not Burglecutt... Seriously though, good flick. I agree, Mad Martigan was always cool. The General with the skull helmet was badass, and those fucking killer rat-dogs that the evil queen's army used to hunt down their enemies, those gnarly bastards really creeped me out. Also, some great location filming on Willow. I loved how bleak the queen's castle looked. The whole landscape was just barren and dark and felt so lifeless. Like if you were a castle worker or a guard you were loyal because you could never escape or desert your post because the surrounding lands were so inhospitable you'd die on the journey.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    As soon as i saw the trailer i could have written a similar

    by lookylookymoontard

    review,everything i was expecting from this came true........i hate being right ALL the time

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I love James Horner's Willow score

    by lv_426

    That's a seriously underrated score there. Also, it seems odd to me that Ron Howard directed a movie like this. While it was a big fantasy adventure family film, it had a lot of dark and dismal imagery in it. Wasn't there a plan to make a Willow sequel that was just turned into some tie-in novel or something?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Not a big WILLOW fan. It does have a good soundtrack.

    by justmyluck

    I did like the go-motion *Ebersisk* and *General Kael*, so named after movie critics by Lucas. Don't worry about critics, George — you stamp a STAR WARS logo on it and let the cash roll in.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    samuel fulmer

    by shane peterson

    The saddest part about all of this is that Lucas is making this film out to be something it is not, the first big budget film starring african americans made by african americans. Apparently he's never heard of The Hughes Brothers, Spike Lee, John Singleton, etc.....

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    STFU Sam fulmer

    by shane peterson

    .

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    24 hour Redtails Making of on Dish

    by Mace Tofu

    Dish is running a 24 hour "making of Redtails" on CH 0095. Lots of Greenscreen magic in this film. tons of GL asskissing interviews in the making of program. I'll still see the movie because I'm a fan of WW2 dog fights.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    No professionals left...

    by Darth Macchio

    I've noticed that shit people used to keep to themselves is now something those same asshats bandy about without hesitation. Marky Mark says history would be different if he had taken his original flight (one of the 9/11 flights) and that he's have stopped the terrorists. He also doesn't jerk off. (don't ask me, it was in the interview). And Lucas, the new self-appointed savior of the African-American film future believes that criticism of his 'Red Tails' and reluctance to distribute, is not criticism reluctance based on that criticism, but racism 100% for sure. Marky Mark calls all those innocent dead cowards and George Lucas implies dislike of his work equates with racism. We had a similar story from a ego-maniacal director not too long ago...perhaps you remember..movie called "Lady in the Water" from a not so humble director M. Night Shamalyan? Why are not equally idiotic assbags like Marky Mark and George Lucas considered in the same context? When asked about further live-action SW films, Lucas actually said some variation of" "Why should I when people hate you for it?" as if the hatred was ONLY because he made another SW film and had nothing to do with the quality of said SW film? Or, you know, the slightly heavy baggage of adding all sorts of extra stuff to beloved films finished for years and loved as is (is there even a precedent for this with any director or film in the history of cinema?) I've jumped on the 'give Lucas endless shit' bandwagon many times and even my handle is based on old prequel griping but this latest exhibition of pure narcissism makes me embarrassed for him. Marky Mark is just a douchebag for that "No 9/11 if it was me cause I would have done something" comment...Lucas is just another billionaire in denial of his own limited legacy and halted, even past, brilliance.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    exposing her hot spasming shittube for all to see

    by Roger Moon

    conspiracy, you nut. LOL

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah U571 was unbelievable shite velvet.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Anyone who gave that a good review is either a complete arse or a complete twat.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Didn't know that about Bridge at Remagen

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    One of those films I often watched growing up but didn't realise they left out that stuff about the black engineer corps. Shameful shit! See peeps......Lucas ain't all bad. At least he's trying to portray black people in a good light and telling their story.....even if it might have faults.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I'll reserve my judgement until I see it.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Maybe it is crap but I think some people have already made their mind up it's crap.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Yippie KY-A, Motherfucker.

    by cookylamoo

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    So...Capone basically didn't get it. I'm not surprised.

    by vadakinX

    Lucas has been saying for weeks how this is basically a throwback to the post-war cheesefests with John Wayne and others. Every group of soldiers seemed to get their own hyper-patriotic, cliche ridden feel-good film...everyone except the Tuskegee Airmen who have been ignored for decades. This is a corny film and deliberately so. Everything you complained about is there on purpose. It's supposed to be corny, cheesy, cliched etc. That's the whole point. It's Lucas' way of giving the Tuskegee Airmen the post-war Hollywood treatment that they never got.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    @conspiracy awesome story,you have surpassed yourself,bravo.

    by KilliK

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    So it's official then? This place has become 4chan?

    by 3774

    Give me a friggin' break...

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    darth macchio

    by shane peterson

    And Lucas, the new self-appointed savior of the African-American film future believes that criticism of his 'Red Tails' and reluctance to distribute, is not criticism reluctance based on that criticism, but racism 100% for sure.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    darth macchio

    by shane peterson

    when did Lucas equate criticizing Red Tails with being racist?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    vadakinx is right, Capone is a stupid fucktard

    by Bill Maher

    Just like the assholes who didn't get that Starship Troopers was supposed to be goofy. Sometimes a comedian tells a joke that isn't funny (or he botched telling the joke), but sometimes people in the audience are too fucking stupid to get it. Just like Capone. What a fucking retard!

  • yes, it's overflowing with cliches and yadda yadda, but if it's a movie that is defined by it's aerial action then just dismissing it, which you actually call "spectacular", misses the point from what is designed to be an FX extravaganza. It's like reviewing Haywire and not talking about the fight scenes, or only talking about them offhandedly. Bad review because it misses the point. Mountain outta molehills and all that.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Re: "You Don't Get What Lucas Was Going For ..."

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Cheesy Forties'-style John Wayne war movie, but with the Tuskegee Airmen? It doesn't sound like Lucas achieved what he was going for in that regard, either. That would be like saying "Lucas was aiming to make a big-budget, cutting-edge homage to STAR CRASH and every other Italian STAR WARS knock-off post-'77 with THE PHANTOM MENACE" (which, for five minutes in the theater, is exactly what I was trying to convince myself had happened while I was watching it). I'll go this far: it's probably not anywhere near as bad as Capone made it out to be. It's also probably not something I'd drag myself to the theater to see, or rent online/on DVD/On Demand. I'll wait til they show it ad nauseum on TNT, catch five minutes of it, silently thank God that I didn't actually pay to watch it and shut it off.</p><p> I'm also amazed at the people who are whining "You guys are condemning it before you even see it just because Lucas was involved!" You're damn right I am! After the combined shit trifecta of the prequels, the bastardized original trilogy and INDIANA JONES AND THE CRYSTAL SKULL, not only have I learned the all-important "George Lucas = unwatchable crap" formula (hey, burn me six or seven times ...), but I've finally become convinced that he couldn't oversee a decent film at gunpoint. Are we supposed to cut him some slack because we've said mean things about the trio of STAR WARS films he had one hundred percent creative and financial control over that stunk to high heaven? If he didn't want negative audience reaction, maybe he should have, you know, not rolled the dice and made those movies in the first place. You run that risk on ANY movie, no matter WHO you are.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Imagine if Hitler had 1000's of ME262 jet fighters.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Atomic bomb aside....the allies could have been completely fucked with them flying about.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    P.S. ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    One more thing: it's kind of hard to get behind a pure adrenalin-rousing spectacle based on the Tuskegee Airmen -- it would be like breathlessly sitting on the edge of your seat watching one of those Forties'-style WWII movies while realizing that half of John Wayne's or Clark Gable's platoon was in a U.S. bunker somewhere being secretly injected with syphilis and gonorrhea and having the results recorded by military scientists while being denied treatment. Kinda takes the "fun" out of the whole exercise.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Piece of shit just like the last 4 films Lucas was involved in

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Except this doesnt have indianna Jones or Star Wars in the title so it will bomb harder than the Enola Ghey.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Re: dioxholsters_ghost

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Yeah ... except those old movies Lucas enjoyed as kid were actually good. That's like when J.J. Abrams keeps saying SUPER 8 was supposed to recapture the magic of early-Eighties Spielberg, except it didn't, or when whichever horror filmmaker du jour this month claims his low-budget opus is supposed to be an homage to the shitty slasher flicks from the Eighties and they wind up being shitty slasher flicks that just tried too hard.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Is that all filmmakers wanna be?

    by SiouxCitySarsaparilla

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Yeesh

    by Roger Moon

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    big jim

    by proevad

    I've gotten into some stupid discussions on here, but this one takes the cake. The Release the Kraken mis-quote has been around since long before the remake. It's been misquoted my whole life from the first film. I remember getting into an argument over it back in the late 80's. There were also a plethora of Release the Kraken dick jokes going around that whole decade.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Haven't seen the film ...

    by DrMorbius

    but there's NWIH this is a candidate for worst movie of the year. Seriously!!! Because of the disdain Lucas has shown to fans of the SW OT, I will NOT pay to see this, or ANY project directed by, produced by, or any other by product offered by him. I may 'accidentally' wander into an adjacent theater where it is playing and give it a cursory perusal, but dishing out my hard earned cash to the neck is where I've drawn the line. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Fuck this, I want a DUCK TAILS movie!

    by Xenodistortion

    Live action. Money bin shenanigans. The fucking Beagle Boys. Lauchpad McQuack. Flintheart Glumgold. But no genies. Oh, and they kill Hitler at the end. Written and directed by George Lucas. Scrapped, then re-directed by Paul Verhoven with script changes by Shane Black & Roger Avery. We have seen what happens when Lucas gets together with ducks. Never again.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Lucas Raped the Tuskegee Airmen

    by Joseph Wilson

    FACT

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Lucas is a living breathing Ewok from Endor

    by Joseph Wilson

    FACT

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    BWAHAHAHA .... Lucious Lucas FAIL.

    by ReportAbuse

    Schadenfreude, thy name is Red Tails. Notice that I avoided the all-too obvious pun RED FAILS, but I hereby claim it nonetheless.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Re: Joseph Campbell

    by ReportAbuse

    Campbell may have been a great mythographer and writer in his own right, but he was not a screenwriting instructor. The much-lauded "Hero's Journey" was not meant to be taken whole cloth as a blueprint for a gazillion screenplays. Ask Film Crit Hulk!

  • The man was brilliant because he was a thinker, a philosopher. Even he changed and re-wrote some of his own theories and ideas over time. I'm more than certain that he'd have a great time discussing the influence his writing has had on our culture at large if he were still around. If for no other reason than he'd be able to tell people to stop taking every word so literally.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Capone and your punk ass pals....

    by Paratrooper_Activity

    Fuck you Capone and your punk ass pals! Red tails was outstanding. I know it makes bitches like you and the rest of the basement dwellars nervous to see any black men not rapping or singing but thats your problem.Fuck you all! Have a nice day bitches!

  • I can remember when after a string of box office dissapointments... Howard the Duck & Willow being the most recognizable ones...Big George gave up on filmaking to consentrate on VFX advancement..... Like I said I haven't seen Red Tails yet..... But when I saw trailers where characters are using modern dialog for a period piece..... I became very unintersted.....

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST

    I don't hate Lucas.....

    by sam jacksons wig

    ...he is just A-Typical of every other megalomaniacal hollywood anus who override minions with genuine talent to get their "vision" on the screen. And surrounding himself with "yes" men is just par for the fucking course in todays bleak creativity landscape that is movie-dom. We still pay to see his shit like most of the whiny fucks who said they wouldn't see Bayformers 3- dark of the toilet bowl ($1.1 b worldwide coin). ...oh, I haven't and WILL not!!! Bay wont get a fucking cent of my money!

  • Lucas is in many ways a visonary in a technical sense.... But Bayformers 3 IMO drove me up the wall..... The final battle was so over the top that the splosioncraziness went right around the bend to make splotions fucking long and boring.... Sure the misguided attempts at humor are gone but that didn't make a ridiculously long final battle that you know the good guys will win any more interesting... Kind of sad really when a half hour overdose of intense action makes you yawn....

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Steve Ditko

    by Mark Leffler

    It FEELS like an American. Every single one of them... Lucas must have read this story

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    heroes and villains.

    by Vince

    Going by the facebook page, Red Tails looks like it may be a bit shallow on character portrayal. The Luftwaffe pilots are described as villains. If there ever was a story waiting to be told in cinema, it's that of Erich Hartmann. The highest scoring fighter ace in history. Despite flying for the Luftwaffe, he most certainly wasn't a villain, more an incredible aviator who was doing the best for his country, which had the misfortune to be in the grips of the Nazi party. This fact makes his story so compelling and blurs the notions of what's right and wrong in war. That would make a fantastic film, but I doubt there's anyone brave enough to take it on. Shame as his biography reads like a compelling movie screenplay. It breaks down into two parts, his exemplary fighter piloting and his post war ten year illegal incarceration by the Russians and his struggle to overcome the maltreatment therein on behalf of his fellow prisoners. Riveting stuff.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Inthe interest of full disclosure...

    by Syberean

    How about anyone embarking on a Lucas Bashing tirade also put up an HONEST estimate of exactly how much they have paid out of their own pocket to create this abomination. The total for movie tickets and popcorn and other snacks, toys (including the ones you begged mommie and daddy to buy you), video games, video tapes, dvd's blu rays, total monies spent at conventions etc. add it all up. How much have you paid to stoke Lucas's ego? I'm not a star wars fan at all and I'm guilty of at least one hundred dollars since 1977. You don't have to include monies wasted otn Howard the duck or ano of the other truly crap Lucas movies. Just 'fess up how much you personally have contributed to the creation of the monster. Then bash away knowing that you helped in spawning the abomination. Its just a challenge to your introspective integrity, if you have any.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    syberean ... honestly?

    by sam jacksons wig

    I own the Indiana Jones trilogy and the original wars trilogy. Nothing else what-so-ever, even as a kid I didn't give a fuck about the fucking toys and shit. So, about $79.99 US. My Dad and Mum paid for me and my bro to see the trilogy (sw) when we were kids. I wont buy the prequels- saw them on sky movies and they were a pile of fucking shit.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Got an "A" rating from opening day audiences

    by submarinevoyage

    I haven't seen Red Tails, but very amused to read on Deadline that it got an "A" CinemaScore rating from opening day audiences (the well-reviewed Haywire got a D+ BTW). If nothing else, George Lucas knows what actually plays to most paying audiences, as opposed to what bitter guys on the internet are gonna rant about.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Dear George Lucas: You are not the head of your game anymore.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    Please do what you said you were going to do ten years ago. Quit making big, noisy special effects laden extravaganzas and take $10,000 and a video camera and go make something personal. It doesn't matter what. Leave your toys behind and go prove to yourself and the rest of us that you can actually tell a story again with heart, and Teeth! <P> Time to go sharpen the knife as they say, or just quit all together, head a charity, throw money at hungrier artists and fade away.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Dear George Lucas:

    by KilliK

    GO FUCK YOURSELF.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    @proevad

    by Vince Ricardo

    Exactly. Thanks for pointing that out. Frankly, I got tired of the "argument" yesterday afternoon. It IS an extremely stupid thing to argue about, lol! Of course, that has never stopped anyone here before! ;-)

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    This is an early contender for the most retarded review of 2012

    by Atticus Finch

    But I shouldn't have expected anything more. I saw Red Tails last night and it was a pretty good movie. The dog fights, which this "reviewer" won't talk about because he knows how great they are, were exhilarating. Great character work by some talented actors. As for historical accuracy, I'll take the word of the actual Tuskegee airmen, who were consultants on this film and raved about it, over the whiny rants of a wannabe reviewer-fanboy any day. Easily worth the $7 I paid to see it. You can almost feel this reviewer watching the movie just looking for ways to rip it apart because it has Lucas' name attached. This leads me to believe that: 1) This reviewer is a raging nerdling grinding an axe, 2) this reviewer doesn't really know all that much about movies, or 3) this reviewer is the neglected bastard lovechild of Lucas. Personally, I vote for all three.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    proevad & vince_ricardo

    by jim

    I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, other than I thought Capone was referring to the remake (only Capone knows for sure). That line, as misquoted as it has been for decades, is in the remake. So for the past couple of years, when I read that line with those exact words, I hear it in Liam Neeson's voice. But it may be that's just me. I didn't really see this as an argument; just pointing out to vince_ricardo that, yes he is correct, the line is from the remake and that since it was quoted that way I assumed Capone was referring to the remake. As far as dumb discussions go around here, no argument about movies, as ridiculous as they may be, comes close to the stupidity of the political fights that too often pollute these talkbacks. But again, maybe that's just me.

  • It's better if you hate this film on its own merits rather than because Lucas may have pushed aside credited director Anthony Hemingway and put his hands all over this worthy story, turning it into a horribly written, trite adventure film that cares more about aerial battles than it does about telling the glorious but often heartbreaking account of the segregated Tuskegee airmen of World War II.

  • It's better if you hate this film on its own merits rather than because Lucas may have pushed aside credited director Anthony Hemingway and put his hands all over this worthy story, turning it into a horribly written, trite adventure film that cares more about aerial battles than it does about telling the glorious but often heartbreaking account of the segregated Tuskegee airmen of World War II.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I hope that was a joke about Spike Lee.

    by obi_juan

    Miracle at St. Anna's or whatever it was called was terrible. I didn't even get half way through before I turned it off and returned it to Netflix.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Saw it, enjoyed it fine

    by Hipshot

    Flawed, but considering the mountains it had to overcome, wow. Lucas has a serious pair of balls on him, and I'm so happy I got to shake his hand, once upon a time. There were audience lines last night, and again this morning (saw "Haywire" last night. O.K., but Soderberg doesn't know how to arc his action--the best stuff was at the beginning. Too bad), and the crowds were into it. Could it have been better? You mean if the same money and talent were poured into a film about white pilots in a comparable situation, would it likely have been better? Yeah, I think so--film, books, plays, whatever are always built upon imagery established by earlier films. But when it comes to the racial imagery here, there is virtually nothing to build it atop, and some of the scaffolding is shaky. But I have nothing but respect and admiration for George here. Like I always thought: Jar Jar was an accident.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Hip.

    by 3774

    My boyfriend and I were kind of ambivalent. We'll go check it out.

  • ...but I hesitated in thanking someone from saving us from 'wasting our time', because I'm not familiar with the attitudes and opinions of anyone trashing it.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    the same audience that likes red tails is the same audience....

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    That enjoys bayformers. F em. Most of americans are stupid anyhow.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Fucking hell I just saw Yoda in a fucking cell phone commercial.

    by SiouxCitySarsaparilla

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    As soon as I saw the trailer and a pilot "Woo!"

    by wonderboy2402

    I knew what kind of film Lucas had in store for us. Pass.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Loved it.

    by Dkev00

    Fuck the critics. There fucking douche bags anyway. Everyone I saw at the theater enjoyed it as well. And danielnocharismacraig can go fuck himself.

  • I can't imagine Red Tails being as bad as Top Gun. In regards of the movie being full of cliches, name one war movie that hasn't been.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Cinemascore of "A" for Red Tails. Capone out of touch.

    by gh5615

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Lucas is just a more successful M. Knight

    by happybunni

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Too much vitriol in this review

    by matineer

    And the post referring to "Top Gun" is spot on. Some call that one classic and it's far less realistic than this is supposed to be. I have not seen this but I will.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS IS THE WAY!

    by JackSlater4

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Lucas never lost it...

    by plasticfrank

    Lucas never had it. His best work came from collaborations, and a time before his status afforded him to have the final word on any project.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    The thing about cliches...

    by darthvedder81

    ...is that they are often true. I remember people complaining about dying soldiers in "We Were Soldiers" saying "tell my wife I love her" and how cliche that was. Only problem was if you read the non fiction book it was based on the author himself remarks how amazing it was to actually hear real soldiers in his command saying something in real life he'd only heard in war movies before.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Die foolish African!

    by whatevillurks

    Yeah, that was pretty bad. Horrible editing, horrible script, forgettable soundtrack. Acting wasn't great but you can only do so much with that script. "Die foolish African!" "Those pilot's are colored!" "Oh..............no." The action was underwhelming. Just when the POW camp subplot was getting interesting we go to Ne-Yo strumming a guitar. Why did subtitles appear halfway through the movie? Coulda used them for the love story. Pissed that the German nickname for the red tails("Black birdmen")was never used. Then Ray show's up at the end too break the somber mood; "call me ray gun!" LOL. Would love to know how he get from Poland to Italy in one piece. That would make for an awesome movie. No body claim I'm racist because I'm black ok. Was that Rupert Penry Jones for thirty seconds? That snapped me out of the funk the opening sequence put me. "German's, let's get em!" instead of "Bandits, four o clock!" just show's the lack of attention to detail. Did anyone else think the opening credits looked insanely cheap? Congratulation's George, now we are just left with Madea......

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Though I did enjoy seeing Enemy Ace in this movie. That was fun.

    by whatevillurks

  • Star Wars is not George Lucas' creation, any more than Windows 7 is the creation of Bill Gates or the airplane is the creation of the Wright Brothers. There are thousands of individuals who helped shape Star Wars into what it became in 1977 and beyond. 2 of the three original Star Wars films were written and directed by individuals OTHER than Lucas. The original film was written by many individuals other than Lucas, (editing, script re-writes, etc), but Lucas ended up getting much of the credit. Lucas had a creative spark. It was an idea. Star Wars is not an idea. It's the creation of hundreds and eventually thousands of unique individuals who participated and in some cases made significant alterations to Lucas' wild fantasies. Lucas never was brilliant. He never will be brilliant. He had a few brilliant ideas, yes, but Star Wars is not the product of his brilliance. His brilliance played a FACTOR, yes, but nothing more. This is why Capitalism is such a sick, disgusting, worthless and unfair system. (And no, assholes, I am not a communist/marxist/whatever). It's plain and simple logic: Why should Lucas receive so much money, for something he only partially created? Why should Bill Gates own so much of the Planet's resources, when millions of others contributed to the product he falsely claims credit for? He founded a company. It's called Microsoft. He did not create most of the subsequent products that sprang from that creation, so he does not deserve to receive even 1/hundredth of the royalties thereof. And I am sure some of you dimwits will defend the wealth of these pigs, but that only proves that dimwits like you are the reason why they even exist -- so enjoy. It's always easy to just heap all the praise on a single individual. The reason for that is simple: Most human beings have a basic, primitive brain, and are thus unable to handle more than a few pieces of information (such as the information I have outlined above). So go, keep worshiping the individuals above and trying to convince yourselves they are special. They are not. They came up with an idea or two, and had the business sense to CAPITALIZE on it. There are many who are far more brilliant and creative than a George Lucas or a Bill Gates -- it's just that those individuals do not care about money enough to try to exploit others with it. And that's what big business is: Exploitation of the masses for the celebration of a few undeserving fat fucks. You may happily apply that basic principle to Wall Street and Government, etc. And the cause of this problem goes back to people like you and me: We continue to support a sick and corrupt system like this and so we continue to get products by people who are nothing but businessmen. And that's what George Lucas is: A business man. A business man, with a little bit of creativity, savvy enough to exploit the system to his ludicrously unfair advantage. And once he had piled up the dough and was capable of fully financing his own films, we got the Prequel Trilogy and the Star Wars special editions. And you fuckwits still have the nerve to complain. It's your own fucking fault, you apes. Argh, why should I complain? I am wasting my time here.

  • Thank god this movie sucks, I hope it takes his flaming shitfuck of a career with it, stupid talentless bastard.

  • You fanboys are sick. You're so obsessed with hating Lucas you attack films that he merely produced! You nerd-ragers all need Valium and to be locked in your mother's basements. Capone I already didn't think you were very bright (your nerdgasms over Kick-Ass and Scott Pilgrim sealed the deal on that one) now I think you're partially deranged. When you're so obsessed that the mere mention of a guys name makes you fly into a fit it's time to seek some therapy.

  • You don't have to buy it because Lucas wasn't selling it. Several white officers came up to the pilots and thanked them for Multiple missions that they had escorted them on. Maybe you need to pay better attention.

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