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  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Put Fringe out of its misery

    by Mr_P

    Its gash now

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I agree mr_p.... Its painful.

    by blackflowerX

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST

    We all knew Fox was smothering Fringe in its crib...

    by V'Shael

    They birth these shows, then murder them in their infancy, but this protracted torturing of Fringe is causing the poor show to spasm weakly on its dying legs.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Nikita's ratings are falling. Could be the end.

    by V'Shael

    Which is a real shame, as the show continues to be entertaining.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Come on Fringe, time to get good again

    by theGoldbergV

    Although I still love the acting and the inherent weirdness of this show, this season is a real head-scratcher. It MIGHT be down to the scheduling, as we've had like 8 episodes in what is almost 4 MONTHS since the season premiere, but mostly its because the story this year appears fundamentally flawed. We are in effect watching ANOTHER set of characters to ones we followed for 3 years. Now while I kinda admire the risk of attempting to do this, it means they've basically done away with all the cool character development from last year. Alt-Broyles being dead, Charlie and Lincoln being suspicious of Walternate, the Faulivia baby and romance with Peter, its all gone. Maybe *something* will happen to tie all this back to the current story, but they need to do it fast because although on the surface the show is still entertaining, the ongoing arc is now so complicated that (like last week) they spend large amounts of episodes just explaining the plot to get the audience up to speed. Are we watching universes 3 and 4 now, or just Peter-less versions of 1 and 2? Its nowhere near as bad (yet), but its starting to feel like the sideways-universe from LOST. We don't know exactly what is going on, so it makes it hard to get invested in the story and with the characters being effectively reset at the start of season, it just adds up to a frustrating experience. Maybe its just because of the large gap between episodes, but it seems like the pacing of the ongoing story is just too slow. Considering this is probably the final season, its a real shame to see it go out this way.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST


    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I think Fringe fell apart somewhere in the middle of S3, somewhere after Olivia got back to Earth-1. It was then you got some pretty filler-ish episodes, leading up to the ridiculous "choose between two Olivias" plotline, the baby, and the time paradox machine. And then it all culminated in a 3rd hybrid Earth-3 where it basically ret-conned everything we know about Fringe, so that the majority of the past 2.5 seasons really didn't matter anymore. So yeah, the show isn't doing too well. But that being said, Fringe can still entertain, and do it quite well. Last week's episode was something I thoroughly enjoyed. Watching the reveal of who was responsible for the shapeshifters, watching Peter desperately try to find a way back home instead of just hanging around. . .it was all solild, solid stuff. But no more mindless melodrama please. If I get anymore unnecessary sappiness like Earth-2 Lincoln confessing his love to Earth-2 Olivia while birthing a child, I will throw something at my TV.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Haters gotta hate fringe?

    by Ciderman

    I don't know what show you guys are watching but I have had nothing but fun with Fringe. I know the Friday death slot looks like this season is the last of it for the show but I, for one, will really miss it. I dig the Mulder and Scully vibe and, looking around at the rest of the TV scifi field have to be pessimistic about the next year or two. Alcatraz? A 4400 reheat? No more Stargate, still not over that one. So what is there? The wafer thin, lightness of Warehouse 13, Eureka is done. So, The Walking Dead, not exactly scifi. I'm not interested in The Misfits, don't like the UK version. Looks like thin enough diets ahead for fans of the fantastic on the TV. Will have to rewatch Clone Wars instead!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:42 a.m. CST


    by chad kuhns

    Can't argue with what a lot of people are saying about Fringe, but I still feel like at it's worst, Fringe is better than just about anything on tv Fridays. If Fox ever gave the show a real shot on a night other than Friday, they might be surprised with the results. All the show needs is a solid lead in, and a return to the spirit of seasons 1 and 2.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Next on Chuck

    by Truxton Spangler

    the baby gets The Intersect. Followed by the goldfish. I keed. But if they had enough time, I'm sure they'd get around to it. Just a couple more to go. Might as well ride it out. And I agree about Nikita. It's gotten more juicy of late. I liked the USA version as well, but it's still a pity.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    fringe and Bill Maher

    by Michael Lunney

    2 great shows on Friday to strimulate the intellect: Fringe, the best of TV SF, and Bill Maher, someone who is not afraid to speak his mind, although his interview with Herman Cain last week was a little weak. And Grimm is probably the best lit show on right now- great nighttime lighting schemes, and the show is a great alternative to the waning Supernatural

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Fringe Rocks!

    by StarKiller216

    F#$% the haters! It's damn entertaining! And so what if it's another universe, it's an excuse to bring back Jarred Harris as a villain! Plus I have a feeling this is going to tie in all the universes, didn't anybody see last week when the Observer talked to Olivia about her fate? The show takes chances and that's what I love about it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST


    by StarKiller216

    Anyone see last weeks with Elliot Ness? It was actually a cool idea with him being a hunter.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by Rumpel Tumskin

    I kinda watched part of the first episode. Is it worth my time to catch up and watch this show? I remember not liking the first episode of Supernatural so I never bothered. Then sometime in season 4 a friend convinced me to watch it and I am glad I did.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    rumpel tumskin

    by Michael Lunney

    Watch the whole first episode. It isn't brilliant, but it is entertaining. Like I said, great lighting, if you are into that sort of thing. If you don't like it after the first episode, stop watching. It is a bit formulaic, but even shows that break the mold seem to get people's ire for being too different and hard to understand. All depends what you are looking for, but I find it to be mild fun.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by Hizzle

    I still dig Fringe. Though, it's seeming to lack the action and mystery that really drew me to it in the first place. It still holds a special place on my TiVo. Be on the lookout for "Overtime: The Movie" starring John Wells and Al Snow. I'm an extra in that move, and my death scene is epic. Currently making the horror film festival rounds.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Adrian77, yes, Supernatural was surprisingly good last week.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    I say "surprisingly" because this season has been weak overall. The main plot concerning the leviathans was obviously not properly thought out before the season began. However, even in its weakened state, Supernatural is still superior to everything else on Friday nights. Last week's episode involved a bit of time travel and, thankfully, mostly ignored the leviathan plot. Can you believe that some people actually think that Bill Maher's show is worth watching? Maher tends to bloviate on things he knows nothing about. The dude is a major league blowhard. Not an engaging show at all.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    i_love_lanalang –otherwise better know as ILLL, is a baiting no-nothing poseur who never has any substantial opinion about anything - just surface BS. This guy baits you into telling him about a show you like- he then lectures you and insults you, no matter what you say, accusing you of having no taste he is a BAITING TROLL and you are a sucker if you respond to him he lives to insult you- not to converse with you BEWARE - LET HIM JUST DISAPPEAR HE PRETENDS TO LIKE SUPERNATURAL AND NOVA - FUCKING WORST AICN TROLL, EVER!!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Hope you had a blast - I was an extra in the original Hairspray for the race riot sequence- spent a week on the set at Dorney Park in Allentown, PA- wrote about it for my job at local newspaper good times....

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Man that was an awesome Fringe last week!!!!!

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    I agree that its been a little off, but frankly thats been on purpose, the creators wanted us to feel off so that we realize and feel the loss of Peter not being there. Fringe is so awesome for the fact that they have the guts to not follow the been there done that progression of a normal relationship. They reinvent themselves every season and its always fresh and new!

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I'm confused already about Fringe's new plot.

    by cookylamoo

    I thought, although he was a creep, Jerrod Harris's character was fighting on the side of Earth One AGAINST the shapeshifter agents who were from Earth 2. Now he's creating the Shapeshifters on Earth One and using them against Earth II. Has everyone forgotten who is fighting who?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    That Chuck preview frame looks like..

    by Spyhunter


  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Seems to me there is now Earth 3 and Earth 4. room23storeblogspotcom - do you agree?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by Bop N Rumble

    You continue to amaze me with your wonderful insights. You are a one-of-a-kind woman, who just oozes intelligence. A paragon of intelligence. That is what you are. As beautiful as you are on the outside you are even more beautiful on the inside. People can learn a lot from you.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Regarding Mr. Jones

    by Scott

    In S1, I got the idea that he wanted to either show up or kill William Bell, who was on Earth-2. Bell had provided the shapeshifter tech, but wasn't really aligned with E-2. My guess is that, since Peter didn't kill him, he made his way to E-2, killed William Bell, and took his shapeshifter tech to the next level to show that he was intellectually superior, as well as to accomplish whatever he has in mind for the two worlds

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    And I've liked S4 so far...

    by Scott

    But I'm banking on them having some way to bring back the characters we knew, whithout this season feeling like a better version of the sideways timeline from Lost.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Bring Your Troll To Talkback Day

    by chad kuhns

    Apparently it's today. Pious holy than thou art remarks are no substitution for real conversation. Thank you to mcgootoo and all the others that actually enjoy discussing what's on tv tonight.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Regarding Earth 3 and 4

    by chad kuhns

    I definitely agree that there seems to be an Earth 3 and 4. That's kind of the simple beauty of the show, it's a an easy plot convention that offers limitless possibilities.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by chad kuhns

    I agree completely with your point about Fringe and its reinvention from season to season. I know it may alienate and bother some viewers, but it is one of the things that has kept me tuned in since the show began. Each season brings something fresh and new, but always does a good job of remembering the lineage of the seasons prior. Yeah, there are some lapses and bumps along the road, but it is still great tv.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Menes is a great baddie

    by brechtsky

    Glad to see him back, kind of agree with the poster near the top who said the ahow kind of fell off mid season 3 .... There were some great episodes after that, and I liked the seasons cliffhanger, and 3rd universe and future ideas, but I agree the arcs have been bad and it's not gotten better quickly enough for me....

  • Jan. 20, 2012, noon CST

    Jones ... Arg autocorrect

    by brechtsky

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by chad kuhns

    Agree 100%

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Fringe only seems bad becuase FOX has dragged out the season

    by lowman

    If these episodes had been played back to back (assuming things are starting to pick up now) it would have simply been a set up for the rest of the season. I have enjoyed the season and I thought there were some great performances by the cast showing us how much Peter affected these characters and where they are with out him.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Dragging out the season

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    They have actually done this almost every season. I remember back in season 1 they had some episodes in September/October, maybe a few in November and then didn't return until like February. Thats probably exagerated since its been awhile, but I distintly remember a long break because of ether Idol or football of something. i want to say that they put it on break while Idol ran its course or something.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I'm beginning to think that...

    by BangoSkank

    Mcgootoo and LoveLana are the same person, and now bopnrumble is another alt. Mcgoo, for someone who wants Lana to be ignored by everyone else (which I'm all for) you spend more space talking about her than everyone else combined. You come off as obsessed, straight up Travis Bickle'd over her... Either that, or you're an alt who gets off on baiting yourself and spending hours beating-off to your own back-and-forth.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by BangoSkank

    I'm going to defend people who are complaining about this season of Fringe... Because I don't think it's a matter of just *hatin'*.... I championed the first few season, convincing friends to catch up on Netflix, but this season has left me cold. How many alternate worlds am I supposed to care about? At last count, at least one too many.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I've always been tempted to give Supernatural....

    by BangoSkank

    another chance. I watched the first half a dozen episodes when it first came out, but found myself disliking both the main characters, and not being *that* pulled in by the storyline... However, every once and again I'll give a random episode a chance, and find myself interested --if not a little confused-- by what's going on in later seasons. Plus, it seems like there's been a fair share of character developement for the two brothers....

  • David Robert Jones was a disgruntled employee of William Bell who was trying to prepare for the uncoming invasion of Earth 2. He took things a lot further then Bell wanted to take and so Bell fired him and for that reason Jones wanted to get to Earth 2 to kill Bell. Since Bell was working for Walternate to spy on him he created the original shapeshifters, so I would assume that Jones had also worked on them. I would guess also that since Bell worked for Walternate and got to know him and since he knew that Walter had caused the problems he was probably a little soft for Earth 2 and that was why he didn't want to go to the violent lengths that Jones wanted to take. so he fired him. As for this season Jones I can see two possibilities, One is that this is a different Earth 3/4 version of him and he has some of the same goals and thought process. Or two its actually the same Jones who by some scientific miracle he survived being cut in half and now (or always) has bigger goals that involve all four (or more) realities. It would be a cool connective glue to this season and the previous ones if this was the same Jones with some huge over arching plan. Heck if the Observers can jump around dimentions theres got to be a cool explanation as to how Jones could do it. I wonder if they would go down the Captain America explanation as to how Jone/CA survived a clear cut death. (It had something to do with time travel or somethign in te comics)

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Yes Jones just like Bell was fighting against Earth 2. Bell's way of doing it was to spy on Waltnate and fight him from within, Jones just wanted to destroy Earth 2. Bell fired Jones and so Jones wanted to also kill Bell. Both had probably been behind the creation of the Shapeshifters, (speculation) I would guess that Jones ether wanted to somehow destroy them once he realized what they were for or use them against Walternate and Bell fired him. (Total speculation)

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Thank you. I only do what I do for the good folk who actually enjoy some TV programming, and like to talk about it without beingturned off by insane motherfuckers. It now seems pretty clear that bopnrumble/ILLL, who are clearly the same person, have been relegated to irrelevancy. At least it's multiple personalities can have a private little game now of complimenting each other without bothering normal people. Glad they just fucked off quietly, like good little pets laid down to final rest.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Fringe's Timeslot


    Fox obviously deliberately set Fringe up to fail in ratings this season by putting them on Friday nights because: 1) They know this is its last season (as has been planned) 2) They're not building on it's viewership base anymore. Instead, they made the choice to move Fringe to the timeslot of death and instead use it's previous timeslot for new, growing shows. This is kind like a victory lap or something for the show before it gets put down.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Well, you are most certainly wrong. Obsessed? Killing the messenger, eh? Others have been grateful and want that bitch smacked out of existence here. I'm sure you are otherwise a rational human being. I don't address the bitch, I'm just trying to create a situation where others don't waste their time responding to an idiot who hates talkbackers. Probably a little more than it hates itself. And if you don't like Fringe anymore, oh well. The more complex it gets, the better it becomes. Some people love it for that, some people get confused and lose interest. At least it has surviverd longer than I expected it to. People are always crying for something different, and when they get it, it turns a lot of those same people off. I hope you at least stick it out for the conclusion, and I hope to have my mind blown by its intelligent complexity. Be well, and hope you have enjoyed all the fish.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Thank you mcgootoo

    by room23storeblogspotcom

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    I'm happy to see a person who fully appreciates the many permutations that Fringe has managed to successfully pull off. It is telling one, long, complex, intelligent story for serious SF fans who revel in such fare. Of course, makes sense that not everyone is able to keep up with the intent, and it does take a serious viewer willing to see and digest below the surface of the story to see all the subtext that ties it all together. Kudos to you for being a thinking fan of the show. I almost gave up on it halfway through season 1, and am glad I didn't as this is now one of my favorite shows. At least for the next few weeks until it vanishes forever.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by purplemonkeydw

    Grimm has been a surprisingly fun show to watch. Between that and Portlandia, (oh and Goonies) Oregon looks like a cool plays to live.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Easter Island headed Gingrich

    by Michael Lunney

    Can't wait to see what Bill Maher has to say about the clown car of Republican candonots tonight, lots of bozo bahavior on their part this week, and how the right wing smear machine will go after Gingrich's ex, his former love of his life +1, for telling the truth.Linmbaugh was already trying to smear her this afternoon on the radio by proclaiming: but other senator's wife's thought she was egotistical and loud!!! h the horror! How could anyone of such low character be telling the truth? Even for Limbaugh, his smear attempt was pretty laughable. That guy sure reeks of smug pomposity. Can any Republican't actually really, truly get behind any of these guys, enough to see them assume the presidency? I wouldn't even let any one of them park my car, or collect the ash off the end off my cigar.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    some people get confused and lose interest.

    by BangoSkank

    So if I'm no longer in love with Fringe, I'm not smart enough to understand it's complexity, huh? Are you sure you're not Lana? I keed, I keed. Just try not to throw too much kindling on the troll fire while warning others about the dangers of getting burnt. MMMMMkay?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Clone wars

    by StarKiller216

    I was thinking wouldn't it be cool if Ashoka wasn't killed off (like we all know she will be) but instead goes into hiding for some reason before the end of the Clone Wars series, then shows up again in the live action series? It won't ever happen, but I've grown to like her I think it would be cool to see.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    bangoskank - you keeder, you

    by Michael Lunney

    I hear ya about ILLL. I responded to it, thinking it was a normal human being, and was blithly attacked for liking a show. I saw that the dumb bitch was doing it, every day, to other people, in the same pre-programmed , generic robotic manner, and I am just trying to get people to not waste their time as I did. It is like Medusa. And really, don't give up on Fringe. You seem to be one who will appreciate it to it's conclusion, despite your current misgivings. I've given up on shows because they just became too much of the same thing - no reason to give up on Fringe because it is challenging its fans by daring to be different. That kind of growth garners respect - not abandonment.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Bangoskank - supernatural got real good after mid season 1

    by brechtsky

    Season 2 and 3 are pretty great, I'd give it bother shot from mid season one....

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by Bop N Rumble

    Boy, do you have issues. You must really hate yourself. I know, I know. You want to be like your rolemodel Bill Maher. Instead of finding a good rolemodel you try to imitate that court jester. I'd think that your I_love_lanalang obsession would lead you to see her as a role model. You could learn so much from her. Sort yourself out emotionally, man. There is so much more to life than being a Grinch. And please, stop trying to prove yourself to me. It's quite embarassing.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    FRINGE--What if Peter is WRONG?

    by batmancw

    While I agree that the scheduling has hurt this season, i'm with the group that still loves Fringe. AND...considering that this is the last season--what IF Peter is wrong & this IS his reality--albeit one here he died as a child and so did his E2 counterpart. Sure, that doesn't explain why Olivia was raised by Nina in this reality & some other discrepancies--like why Broyles IS still alive in E2, but you could play it off as a "butterfly effect" type of change. Obviously, the fact that the returning villain that Peter chopped in half being alive CAN be explained by the absence of an adult Peter, so some of it does add up, some not. I just think it makes more sense that he'll discover that his assumption about this being yet another reality is wrong versus them really having introduced 2 more new realities. Time will tell..........I imagine we'll find out the truth if/when he steps back into the Machine

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Scott

    I wanted to explain the two butterfly effect things you mentioned: 1) Young Olivia never met Young Peter, therefore never wanted to stay in Jacksonville (where Walter helped protect her from her dad), and instead ran away. She eventually shot her dad, which led to Nina adopting her, probably because she was the most promising Cortexiphan participant before she left 2) I attribute this to Walternate's difference in attitude, as he was clearly behind offing Alt-Broyles in S3

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    glad to see the Fringe love and theorizing in full force today

    by Michael Lunney

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Olivia's death

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    So in the last episode September told Olivia that she was going to die. It reminded me of the offhand remark/epicode cliffhanger in the animated episode of season 3 where Olivia told Peter "Thats the man thats going to kill me!" I wonder if theres any connection? I know that its two different versions of Olivia Earth 1 & Earth 3, but maybe its destiny that no matter what happens Olivia in some form or another will die? Although it could also be like the Observer's picture of Peter in the machiene destroying one world or the other when we know that Peter choose option c instead and made a bridge between A & B? Maybe Olivia now will be given choices between A & B which is death, but ultimatly choose something else?

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Peter only THINKS he's in a totally different universe

    by thedarklingthrush

    jesus christ people

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Anyone watch Gold Rush to see those assholes fail?

    by thedarklingthrush

    I hate the main group. No fucking way they would have even what they did in the first episode with out it being on TV.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Except Boyles probably isn't alive on Earth 2.

    by cookylamoo

    He's been replaced by a shapeshifter.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Fringe has been beautiful... unconventional... risky

    by altoandando

    Of course it's going to get wrath for shaking things up, but there is NOTHING on TV right now that reaches those heights and goes to the places. It's been a beautiful ride and we're privileged to have had the time with it; shows with balls are going to get increasingly scare in the future.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Jones' face was kinda burned last week

    by theGoldbergV

    So I think in this timeline he has still escaped from prison. My earlier post was quite down on fringe but I do still love the show. I just think that since they got into the story of 'the machine' and first people it's got a little convoluted. If there is no universe 1 and 2 to get back to I hope Peter finds out soon because it's just muddling things

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    If you don't like Fringe, then you can kiss Earth 2 Broyles' black ass!

    by BrannigansLaw

    There, I said it.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    fringe is still awesome

    by JaredP

    i don't think there is an earth 3, either

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    by JaredP

    september said, at the end of last season, that peter never existed. there was no mentioning another universe where nobody knows who peter is

  • We know the machine can destroy universes, it's possible it can also create them, in which case if Peter got back in it he could recreate earths 1 and 2 of the previous seasons and succeed in 'getting back home'. It could work either way

  • "...and Bill Maher, someone who is not afraid to speak his mind..."- u mean unrelenting hate and bigotry to things he deems beneath him? "...and how the right wing smear machine will go after Gingrich's ex, his former love of his life +1, for telling the truth."- funny, how all these "bombshells" have laid dormant for years and just so happen to "come out" when a republican starts to gain momentum. now, all of sudden, on the eve of South Carolina...the liberal MSM just so happens to run this "interview". funny, when Hillary was running against Obama in 2008, no one cared to bring up the Lewinsky scandal in reference to Hillary's "qualifications". ah, typical progressive hypocrisy. "I wouldn't even let any one of them park my car, or collect the ash off the end off my cigar."- i dont think they're losing any sleep, little man...

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by Mugato5150

    Hillary had an affair with Monica Lewinsky? Wow. Well I suppose that could have been a scandal. Except the democrats aren't the party of "family values" so no matter how many affairs they have, they aren't the hypocritical douchebags that all the republicans are turning out to be. And there is no "liberal media" bias, not compared to the ridiculously cartoonish right wing Fox News.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    @ mugato5150

    by Judge Briggs

    Preach on, brotha-man! Truth. The whole notion that 'media is biased' BS just doesn't hold up anymore ... just because the truth doesn't conform to your conceived realities righties, doesn't make it untrue. I know, the truth is hard to swallow ... climate change, black president, gay marriage ... it's all happening and no one except you gives a shit. Now let the rest of the country move into the 21st century while you dumbfucks get left behind in the 20th century. 'Reality has a well-known liberal bias' -Colbert

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Lets keep the politics out of this talkback please.

    by room23storeblogspotcom

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    *sigh* no, mugato, she did not...

    by jay2517

    try reading my post again, this time slooowly. get back to me when u comprehend it. "Except the democrats aren't the party of "family values"..." - totally agree with that. "And there is no "liberal media" bias, not compared to the ridiculously cartoonish right wing Fox News."- so, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, NYT etc. doesnt count, im assuming? BTW- what does Fox News have to do with the extreme liberal MSM bias?? anyway, ill throw judge briggs own "wonderful" logic back at him: just because the leftist media conforms to ur conceived and contrived reality lefties, doesnt make it correct. i know the truth is hard to swallow...climategate, a failed progressive half white president, the gay agenda towards marriage...its all happening and the majority of America does give a shit. 'Reality has a well-known liberal bias' -Colbert.....LOL!! ur quoting a comedian?? man, that tells me all i need know...

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Yah man, quoting Colbert because he's a brilliant poltical satarist ...

    by Judge Briggs

    You know, satire and comedy, something that conservatives just don't understand and never will.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Bopnrumble, your compliments are very much appreciated. Thank You.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    You, Sir, are one of the very few true gentlemen that I've had the pleasure to converse with on these talkbacks. It's a nice surprise to find someone who knows how to properly treat a lady. I wish that certain other posters possessed the same manners and civility that you exhibit. I guess for some people, class cannot be taught. Some people have it, while others cannot comprehend it. It is a sad truth. I always look forward to your wonderful posts. They make the day brighter and the world a better place.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST

    IGN Interview: Fringe: Joshua Jackson on Peter's Destiny

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    (This came out yesterday, so before tonights episode, but Joshua talks about some upcoming episodes and insight about tonights.) Jackson talks about what's to come and whether this could be the final season for the sci-fi series January 19, 2012 Talking to Joshua Jackson about Fringe is always a lot of fun. Why? Because despite being one of the stars of the show, Jackson is also a true fan of Fringe, and loves to speculate and theorize just as much as those of us watching at home. Along with a small group of other journalists, I recently spoke to Jackson about this current season of Fringe, the big two-parter that we're right in the middle of (with part 2 airing this week), the show's ever-uncertain future and more. Question: Can you talk about Peter coming face to face with Walternate in last week's episode? Jackson: Well, it's sort of Hail Mary pass on Peter's part. He's pretty desperate. In the whole way that he contrives to get himself over there, he's obviously desperate. He's sort of run out of ideas. I think there's always the sort of added complication for Peter, not just with Walternate, but when he sees his mother, there's so much that is wrapped up in that relationship with his mom and the guilt over the loss of his original mom. So I think it's an extremely flawed situation. And for Peter, he has this real, deep sense that he's in the wrong place, and he needs to get home by any means necessary. So I think Walternate is the very, very last person that he would ever go to, and that shows the level of desperation that he has to try and ask that man to help him. - FOX Question: Do you think this season needs to end with a return to the original timeline? Jackson: I really have no idea which way we're headed this year, which has not been the case before. I've always had a fairly reasonable sort of sketch idea in my head of what the season was about. If you had pitched me the idea, I would have said, "Oh, well, obviously. It's like the journey back home." But now we've spent many, many, many, many episodes with this group of people, so I'm not sure that it's satisfying to just leave them. So I don't know where they're headed as far as that goes because I think if we just pulled the rip cord on this new group of people and went back to our old people, the significant amount of the audience would be like, "Well, why did I get so invested in these people?" So I don't know how they're going to resolve it, and we haven't gotten to that place in the story yet, but that seems to me like that's going to be the crisis of the season. But at this point, I don't think it would be a satisfying resolution to just get back to the other place. Question: Peter really seems to believe now that this is not the timeline he was living in, and that he has to get somewhere else, rather than the possibility that it is where he's from – but everyone else has been changed. How important or not important is that distinction? Jackson: Well, it becomes important -- I think that's a distinct possibility. The three possibilities are, this is actually the original timeline, just the timeline itself has changed by him being erased; it is not the original timeline and he needs to get back home; or it is not the original timeline and he needs to stay because this is where he was supposed to end up. In my head those are the three possibilities. So if it is the original timeline, the important distinction for him is that since, as I understand the Peter character now, what he really serves as is as a mirror to the characters around him, right? In the second half of Season 1 and Season 2, when this show was more about the family dynamic and less about the star-crossed lovers, he was really the reflection for Walter so you could see his humanity coming back. Because without Peter, you don't get to see the other side of the mad scientist. But also in Season 2, and definitely in Season 3, Peter's job was to reflect Olivia back to herself so we could get to the bottom of her crisis, which was feeling unseen, unknown. So her crisis last year was, "I cannot love you until I know that you see the real me," right? But Peter's job in that was only to reflect back to her her own crisis. So this year, I think what the thrust of the story seems to be so far is Olivia doesn't know herself. So Peter's job is to reflect back to her herself, so she can come to know herself. In Season 2 I thought this was going to be about the bizarro family, but now I think this show is really about the Olivia character discovering herself. In a bizarre way I think this show now is a coming of age drama for a woman. Question: Talking with you or John [Noble] or Anna [Torv], it's Season 4 and you guys are still really, really invested in the show and the characters… Jackson: And about 99% wrong in my predictions. [Laughs] Question: But you're still theorizing, and you're still a fan of the show. Whereas a lot of people I talk to at this point in a series have kind of checked out. Do you feel like the reinvention of the characters every season has reinvigorated you guys? Jackson: I think that certainly helps... And look, I have my good days, and I have my bad days. There are certainly 5am calls where I think to myself, "What am I doing here? It is raining, and it is cold, and I want out now!" But in general, I love what I do for a living. You know, I don't work at a salt mine. It's pretty awesome. It would just suck to be the guy who's just going through the motions four years into a show when this is kind of -- at least for me -- the greatest gig ever. Not just Fringe. Being an actor is just a kick-ass job. Question: Acting-wise, has it been a challenge trying to reinvent the relationships for this character over and over? Because you have a very different chemistry with everyone this year than you did this last season or the season before that. Jackson: Well, the working dynamic remains very much the same. So I have this particularly wonderful and unique relationship with John [Noble]. Even as we are having to play a different version of the Peter and Walter dynamic, the two of us get along so well in a professional sense, so I wouldn't say it's difficult. It's just fun. You just sort of hash out the new ways, or you try some things. Some things work, some things don't work. So I wouldn't say that that's been particularly difficult. And it's a constantly shifting prism because the dynamic is so fluid on this show between -- and you'll see in the next episodes a lot of different twists. It's changing all the time. Question: Regarding Walternate, you see that he is a different man, at least from Peter's perspective. Should we be able to trust Walternate, or is this another mind game? Jackson: I would say full trust in Walternate, ever, would be a bad choice… His motivations in this universe are totally different -- because the war in the original universe was sort of born out of his righteous anger over his son being kidnapped. So that's not really where he's coming from now. So that sense of vindictiveness I think maybe is a little bit… It's not not there, but he doesn't feel that righteous anger, it doesn't seem like. But at the same time, he's still an extremely smart, calculating man who clearly has his own agenda. So it just so happens that Peter fits into his agenda, and they're working together as such to satisfy both of their agendas. But I think if Walternate really needed something and really needed to sell Peter down the river to get it, I think he probably would. Question: The big reveal about Olivia is that the Observer says she must die. Do you think he means she must die for Peter to get back to his timeline, or what do you think that indicates for the direction of the rest of the season? Jackson: Well, I feel like they're just ridiculously ambiguous because the answer to that riddle is of course Olivia must die in every timeline, because everybody has to die. So much like him saying to Peter, "It must be difficult being a father," when Peter doesn't know that he's a father and assumes that it's about his father, it's one of those ambiguous, Observer-y type things to say, which could mean anything or nothing at all. I know that it plays out in future episodes, and it becomes quite heavily a part of two episodes that we just actually finished shooting. But I don't think it's… Never take anything they say at face value. - FOX Question: So will Peter try to save her? Is that a goal? Jackson: Peter will always try to save Olivia. Whether or not it's his Olivia per se or whether it's his timeline, there's no way that he could turn his back on her if she were in jeopardy. That's where to me the end of last season was about the height of romantic gesture that you can ever make. The man chose -- and it wasn't just Olivia, it was also his father -- but he chose to end his existence so that the people he loved could survive, which is about the awesomely paternalistic, beautiful thing that you could do for somebody. And I think that's now a part of who he is, I don't think that there is any way that he would be able to turn his back on this Olivia or any other Olivia for that matter. Question: Overall, will we see more of the two universes trying to cooperate as we go forward? We've heard more about a sort of a common threat that they might have to work towards together. Jackson: Well, the common thread gets reintroduced. David Robert Jones [played by Jared Harris] is our kick-ass bad guy, and he is now back. So that's one really cool thing that the timeline has allowed is to bring back one of our best characters that we had killed off and give him another shot at the story in the universe. He's like Megatron: You just can't kill him! Question: What else are you excited for fans to see in the upcoming episodes? Jackson: I think the sort of what-was-sucky-then but what-is-cool-now accident of baseball that puts the two-parter [airing] back-to-back is pretty awesome, because up until that point those were what I thought were our two best stories. [Editor's Note: Last week's episode was intended as the midseason finale in November, until the World Series delayed it airing until this month.] And they were more aligned with the traditional Fringe stuff because I think we've been a little hit-or-miss this season, frankly. Some of it is the fact that we had to reintroduce the entire show. I don't feel like we had the string of four or five episodes this year that were just awesome. And I can tell you that [these two episodes] are pretty awesome. So I think that's really cool. I think we get really deep into Observer-ville in, for you guys, five or six episodes. That's going to be super cool because if this is going to be our last season, we've got to figure out who the Observers are. So I think there are a couple really good ones coming up where we get out of the monster-of-the-week stuff and really delve in to a little mini-arc of deep Fringe mythology. Question: You had sort played with this at Comic-Con a little bit: do you feel like Peter's ultimate goal is to become an Observer? Jackson: I gotta hope so. Yeah. Look, if the show had ended last year I would have thought that was a super cool ending for Peter. He goes out, everybody lives. I mean it's a bit of a bummer, but it's kind of a noble death. Well, the show didn't end last year so I've gotta be an Observer! Yeah, that's my vote. I choose -- Josh Jackson chooses that Peter Bishop should be an Observer. [Laughs] Question: Have you talked to the producers about their decisions for the end of the season, depending on whether it's going to be a series finale or not? Jackson: I think much like last year, when we were on the bubble again, and the year before that and the year before that… [Laughs] Last year there was real discussion, like, what's the few minor tweaks we could make to that two-parter at the end of last year that would make that the end? And with only a few minor tweaks you could have made that the end. You go back and show basically the kids are all right, and that's it. I think that would have been an okay ending. That would have been the natural ending for Peter there. He was -- not through any fault of his own -- but he was the thing that made it all go wrong. And at the end of the Hero's Journey you've got to pay for your sins, whether they're yours or not. So I would have been okay with that ending. They say that they've always had an endgame -- and I take it at their word – but they're never going to tell me what that endgame is. Question: They know. You theorize. Jackson: Oh, I theorized. I'm serious, this is really the first year I can't figure what the game plan is towards the end, which is kind of cool. But I know that there's an endgame. I don't know whether it's something that needs four episodes to be implemented, something that needs two episodes to be implemented, six, eight, twelve. I just want to take [FOX president] Kevin Reilly's word that if they are going to end it this year, that they give the guys enough of a heads-up, whether they tell us or not, that they get that whole endgame out. Because at this point, the most important thing to me -- and this is so maudlin -- but the most important thing to me about Fringe is that it finishes properly. Because you can't bring people along a journey like that for all those years and then just cut it off. It sucks. We've all watched shows like that. We've all been in that place, right? Well, where the f**k is the other half of that "To Be Continued" when you got cancelled!? So yeah, I don't want to be there. That would really bum me out at the end of what's been a pretty cool experience, to not have the finish. J.J. Abrams/FOX's President on Fringe's Renewal Chances Question: J.J. [Abrams] said that he felt oddly optimistic, but that he did feel optimistic about getting one more season. [Editor's Note: I was the one who asked this question and have since double checked, and Abrams actually said "for some sick reason" he was hopeful.] And he said that Season 5 would definitely be the final season. What are you thinking? Jackson: I would say that J.J. knows a lot more about TV than I do. So I'll go with oddly optimistic! To me, maybe we will or maybe we won't, but truly the most important thing to me is… I think Kevin [Reilly] was being pretty honest when he said they're not running a charitable foundation, so fair enough. If we're not making them money on Friday then that show is going to get cancelled. Whether it's Fringe or American Idol, when it stops making money, you know, it's show business. Whether that happens this year, whether we get a half-season next year, whether we get a whole season next year, whether we run for ten more years, at the end of the day, still, what will be important is not how long it runs but if the whole story finishes. So I'm more concerned about the finish than anything else. - FOX Question: What about Alt-universe Broyles and the big reveal that he's working with Mr. Jones? Jackson: Son of a...! Question: How do both Fringe teams deal with that, when he is so far entrenched with the bad guy? Jackson: Actually, it goes even deeper. There's a whole other layer of bad that's about to be revealed. I know we've taken a lot of criticism this year for the sort of reset, the new timeline, but it has allowed us some interesting things. One of them is changing the alliances of the characters that we know. While the core Peter, Walter, Olivia dynamic is different but not that different, all the alliances around them have completely changed. So I think that's really cool to have this sort of really new version of a character that you've come to know and respect in one direction, and you blow that character up and you take it in a completely other direction. So, of course it has repercussions inside the story as that tangled web starts to get unbound -- even though nothing on Fringe ever gets that unbound. As soon as you reveal one piece, this whole other thing spins out of it. But I think that's great. It gives Lance [Reddick] something to do other than just being very serious Broyles. So yeah, I think for all the actors that's been fun stuff this year. Question: Are you liking the dynamic now with Peter and Lincoln, since they barely got to interact when Lincoln was just on the other side? Jackson: Yeah. I love Seth [Gabel]. And not to be too much of a dude, but it's nice to have another guy on set. So I hope and wish… We had talked about earlier about Peter in one sense this year sort of being Cyrano. If his journey is to go back to his own Olivia, because of that 'love that can't be denied', I thought that he would want to leave this Olivia in a happy place. And so you saw him try to matchmake a little bit. And I think Seth and I work well together, so I think there's a good dynamic there to be explored between the two guys who can sort of be guys. It's not quite so fraught between them as it is between Peter and Olivia. So I hope they keep that up. It's a nice dynamic that I think the two of us have. Question: Do you think if Walter learns that Peter's working with Walternate, he might give Peter a second chance? Jackson: I think a series of events will transpire that will allow Walter to reassess his judgment of Peter over the course of the next three or four episodes. Something happens that Walter chooses to… Not forgive, but at least wipe the slate clean with this Peter.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Tonights episode was another homerun!

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    I love the fact that Peter is an unknown entity to Jones, that just means that he'll be more dangerous though. Its great how stuff like Nina drugging Olivia and other things from this season are starting to pay off!

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Bangoskank, you are spot-on about the first season of Supernatural.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    As brechtsky mentioned in a post above, the show gets much better after season 1. The main reason to watch season 1 is because it lays out the story arc for the next few seasons. You're correct about character development on the show. Sam and Dean (the Winchester brothers) get fleshed out as characters much more convincingly as the series motors along. Plus, new and intriguing characters get added to the mix. Also, your comments concerning a certain poster behaving in an obsessed and neurotic manner are right on the mark. I don't know what triggers psychos to act in that manner, but the behavior is outrageous and it's starting to become scary. Maybe it's because I'm a woman. Certain types of people simply hate women. They lash out at what they covet but cannot have. It reminds me of Buffalo Bill from The Silence of the Lambs. It's pure insanity.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST

    truth hurts

    by Michael Lunney

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST

    bangoskank -

    by Michael Lunney

    see - just like I told you - troll city

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST


    by BangoSkank

    Is there a later first-season episode that sticks out as a good place to dive back in? I know it's been quite a while since these shows aired, but I could take a look at IMDB if someone remembers a standout episode/storyline. Or, should I just watch the last few eps of season one before giving S2 a look?

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    jay2517, you're joking, right?

    by Mugato5150

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST


    by Gislef_crow

    Eight episodes or so in, Grimm just isn't that compelling a show. Mainly because the supposed protagonist is useless. Eddie gives him all the useful info and saves Hank's ass. Juliette saves Nick's ass. Hank saves his ass. Renard saved his ass. The one time Nick "saved" someone, it was because Hank shot the bad guy (in the pilot). Nick doesn't kill monsters because he has a conscience. He doesn't kill them because he's a dufus (except for the queen bee, and she was trying to help him). There's a kinda/sorta mythology here, and it's kinda/sorta interesting, but no one except Eddie and Sgt. Wu (who manages to steal every scene he's in: go Reggie Lee!) are at all interesting. I don't expect Buffy or the Winchesters brothers, but Nick is just a worthless sot.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Mugato5150 - Jay2517 IS a joke.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Looks like our little admitted, lock-step partisan shill is back to voice his opinion as fact while spewing forth every "liberal MSM" trope known to man. He'd be funny if he weren't so predictable and sad.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by Scott

    Here's a couple of episodes that stand out as good, and have some mythology (or future ramifications): skin, home, nightmare, shadow, and hell house (comedy episode, but some people show up in later seasons) Then I'd go to start with dead man's blood and go from there I know this is late, but I hope it helps

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    truth and facts are not jokes...

    by jay2517

    if u cant comprehend them, i understand. BTW- gaius, facts are facts. too bad u ignore them, my progressive shill...

  • that IS the progressive fallback mentality when presented with facts they cant refute. its like clockwork on here. so pitiful...

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Jay2517 - Like I've told you before, you're an idiot.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Please list your "facts" in this Talkback so that everyone may see and, possibly, understand what you're trying to promote. Oh, and remember, you opinion does not qualify as fact. (You seem to have a problem understanding that.)

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    This one is funny...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "i know the truth is hard to swallow...climategate, a failed progressive half white president, the gay agenda towards marriage...its all happening and the majority of America does give a shit." This utterly hallow and partisan statement says a LOT about your warped perception.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    RE: ...just continue to call me names...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What, you mean like "progressive"?

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I've been enjoying the last few episodes of FRINGE this season

    by D.Vader

    It hasn't had as much of a driving force as Season 3 did when it came to rescuing Olivia or trying to stop the Doomsday Machine, but now that we do have a concrete villain, I'm excited to see where FRINGE goes.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by BangoSkank

    Thanks! And not late at all, only posted this morning...

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Fringe....

    by BangoSkank

    Watched the last two episodes last night, and really enjoyed them.

  • We're now on S4. If each season so far yielded 22 episodes that leaves the count at 88 total. They need 100 for syndication. It's kind of a no-brainer that at the very least we'll get one last season with 12 episodes to accomplish syndication rules on a program that sort of a cult following. I bet the production is counting on this too, and they'll wrap up the series neatly (or as neatly as a series like this can be wrapped up) in the next shortened season.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Fringe Is Still The Best Show On TV!

    by Real Deal

    I watched last night's episode and the return of David Robert Jones is the best thing to happen to the show in a long time. Jared Harris's ( Moriarity in Game of Shadows ) performance is as good as it was in season 1! He still runs circles around the FBI in both universes. The stupid troll shit on here is just that stupid. It sounds like it comes from fans of other shows or just people who don't understand the show ( because they haven't really been watching ). I hope this isn't the last season because they've got a lot of resolving to do. It couild be that Peter finds he's already home as the new versions of the characters may slide back into their old positions. Just speculation.

  • Jan. 21, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    real deal

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Yeah I remember that season 1 kind of meandered until Jones showed up also. He is such an awesome bad guy. Newton and Earth 2 Walternate were awesome, but never really reached the awesomeness of David Robert Jones. I have to say though that even though Jones was always one step ahead, it was cool seeing how unnerved he was with Peter and his ability to figure him out so quickly.

  • ...but when it actually happens, as in Season 4 of Fringe, it's just too much for most people. They want the comfort of the old plot back. Personally I've really enjoyed the exploration of a world without Peter. Nobody seems to get that everything we're learning about how the universe has changed is an explanation of WHY Peter had to be erased and why there was a machine built to erase him. Only with Peter gone could the two universes find relative peace and be joined.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Thats why I love season 4 so much

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Things are totally turned on their side with totally different characters. Evil Broyles would have never been done in the normal reality, Nina drugging Olivia, Walter jumping at any reflective sufrace, a David Robert Jones who is unnerved by Peter and soooo many other cool differences that teach us things about the normal reality.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Did anyone see the Onion News take on "Chuck"?...

    by MST3KPIMP

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Great episode of Fringe

    by theGoldbergV

    Thats more like it. Hopefully this is now the set-up for the rest of the season, both universes working to stop Jones. And the acting remains outstanding. John Noble is always awesome but Jasika Nicole was particularly good as alt-Astrid this week I thought

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Fuck You creepythinman!

    by phantomcreeps

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    Re : room23storeblogspotcom

    by Real Deal

    " it was cool seeing how unnerved he was with Peter and his ability to figure him out so quickly. " Yup! One of the best parts to see Jones confronted with something he couldn't have predicted. Yeah back when Jared Harris was on season 1 I thought that guy would make a great Moriarity. Did you know he's Richard Harris's son?

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Hey Guys How Many Versions Of Walter Have We Seen Now?

    by Real Deal

    I count 5! The first Walter, Walternet, Normal Walter in 1985, possible future Walter, and other timeline Walter. Yeah that's the thing I like about the way Fringe does things. You get to see many different takes on each character. Especially Walter.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    So... which universe do they wear the cowboy hats? Ours or theirs?

    by BrannigansLaw

    Because according to Farnsworth, there are only 2 universes... ;o)

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    i have listed facts, gaius. u just continue to ignore them...

    by jay2517

    ...and thats not my problem. anyway, "This utterly hallow and partisan statement says a LOT about your warped perception." ummm i guess u totally agree with THIS one, by judge briggs, right? "I know, the truth is hard to swallow ... climate change, black president, gay marriage ... it's all happening and no one except you gives a shit." ur hypocrisy is evident now. just like Maher's. "Jay2517 - Like I've told you before, you're an idiot."- thanks for making my point(s)! BTW- why do u cowardly keep evading my question? just admit ur a progressive lol. like i have said, it doesnt decrease ur obvious lack intelligence :)

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Jay2517 - I'll make it easy for you...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...just restate one of your "facts" from this TB. Remember, a fact and not an opinion. I no longer believe in the Left/Right paradigm. I'm an independent moderate. Some of us are refered to as progressive libertarians. Anytime you want to provide an actual fact as opposed to the polar opposite opinion of someone you've attacked would be a welcome change of pace for you...

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    "you've attacked"?? u attacked ME, little man...

    by jay2517

    ...and besides, i PROVIDE facts. its up to u to refute me, which u NEVER do. how has any fact i posted NOT fact? enlighten us. BTW- glad u finally admitted ur a progressive! progress is great :)

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    RE: i PROVIDE facts.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Where? I asked you to restate one and you have failed to do so. Why? I've refuted you numerous times before. It wasn't hard to do since all that you provided was opinion and conjecture. So, again, please restate one of your "facts" from this Talkback. And yes, progress is great. It's a shame us forward thinking Independents have to drag you simpletons into the future. But hey, I guess some people just prefer to live in their little world of shit.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Re : branniganslaw

    by Real Deal

    According to the season one episode " Ability " the ZFT book says " Their are many realities ". That means more than two. Besides modern physics theory would seem to suggest infinite. So even one where people wear cowboy hats.

  • Jan. 22, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I_Love_Ugly_Pan_Faces you're a broad? I call BULLSHIT

    by Xiphos_2

    If you're a chick then I'm a blind Inuit NBA player. Fucking asstard.

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST

    real deal

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Yeah I think that I did read that somewhere, Moriarty is Dumbledore's son! Imagine is Rita Skeeter got ahold of that piece of info!

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Fringe Update: Season 5 Discussions Underway, J.J. Abrams 'Hopeful' Show Will Be Back

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Michael Ausiello When Fox president Kevin Reilly told journalists earlier this month that he’s essentially losing money on Fringe, he wasn’t just putting the show’s rabid fans on notice that a fifth season is far from a slam dunk, he was sending the following message to Warner Bros. Television: The ball’s in your court. Basically, in order for Fox to justify renewing the low-rated cult fave, Warner Bros. would have to agree to drastically reduce the show’s license fee (i.e. the amount the studio charges the network for each episode). But what’s that magic number? Sources confirm that both sides are currently trying to hash that out. “We remain hopeful that Fringe will be able to continue,” co-creator J.J. Abrams tells TVLine. Warner Bros. no doubt remains even more hopeful. A fifth season would put Fringe at or very close to 100 episodes, a milestone that would enhance the show’s syndication prospects. (A studio rep declined to comment.) The clock is ticking, but not as quickly as one might think. If this does turn out to be Fringe‘s final season, it wouldn’t actually impact producers’ Season 4 end game. “Worst case scenario, if this were the last aired season of Fringe… we know what the end of this season is going to be,” EP Jeff Pinkner recently told TVLine, ”and it can function as a series finale.”

  • Jan. 23, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST


    by Wil

    I read that the original outline involved 5 seasons altogether. Hopefully they'll be able to end it on their own terms. Bringing back Jones was a genius stroke as he was probably the best part about the first season. PS - bangoskank = username win.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    i provide facts in all my post, gaius...

    by jay2517

    ...learn to read. as i have stated before, just because u choose not to accept them doesnt mean they arent facts. R-E-A-D-I-N-G is ur friend! BTW- again, what have i posted thats not a fact? progressives are a deflective bunch on the internet it seems...

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 5:48 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Again, restate one, please.

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    FRINGE fans in NYC: weekely viewings at my pub:

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Dressing Room NYC at 2;30PM every Saturday 75A Orchard St, between Broome & Grand on the Lower East Side. You can also join our meetup group for other sci-fi events/meetups here:

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I HAVE stated facts, name one that isnt...

    by jay2517

    ur the one that says i dont. soooooo, which fact are u having trouble with??

  • Jan. 24, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST

    *** SIGH ***

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Restate one of your facts, please.

  • Jan. 26, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    uhhhhh i already have stated my facts!

    by jay2517

    quit deflecting and state one that IS'NT. capice???

  • Jan. 26, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Restate one of your facts.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Jan. 30, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Still nothing, eh?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Why am I not surprised...