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Nick Cage buffing up for SUPERMAN'
Hey folks, Harry here. Well the supervillian MYSTERIO was recently hopping from one comic co. to another, doing some spying on the habits of a one Nick Cage. And from what I can gather, the ol domehead ran into Cage at a celebrity filled gym in greater Los Angeles where Cage was working his ass off on many weights and machines and bikes and so on. According to Mysterio, when he asked Cage what all the sweat was for, Cage said he had to buff up for SUPERMAN.
So... If Cage is seriously buffing himself up for SUPERMAN, then the ol WB has got to feel that they have a real winner in William Wishman Jr's draft of the man of steel. Now, at the moment the project doesn't have a director... or at least no director has been whispered about quite yet. I'm going to check all my contacts with stethoscopes at Lorenzo's office for listening in about SUPERMAN details. Because... if Cage feels like he's gotta to hit the machines to begin buffing, then there is quite a possibility that Warners is seriously fast tracking this one.
Meanwhile, let us all pray that Jon Peters had the absolute least amount of input in Wisher's draft... otherwise we might have polar bear watch dogs and a non flying big blue bird. Sigh. Let's hope they're doing it right this time out.
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But if he can do something about his hairline I think he's a good choice...
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They picked the wrong actor, thoroughly, to play Superman, but this can still be salvaged, by getting TIM MCCANLIES to direct. (Please, Todd, hold off on IRON GIANT - I'm getting to that.) Per the Iron Giant script, it seems that McCanlies might have the right feel for this project. His heart is in the right place, anyway. And, please, two things - don't make Superman dark - he never was meant to be. Two, KEEP THE KICKASS JOHN WILLIAMS SCORE!! I was listening to the rerelease the other day, and with the exception of that lameass Margot Kidder talkover song, the score is a powerhouse and terrific. Nic Cage, though, even now that still takes getting used to.
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Okay, X-Men I can take, but bringing old SPidey and Superman to the big-screen ? ENOUGH !!
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Of course the last sentence should read: "....nobody will care."
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Feb 21, 2000 4:01:25 AM CST
PSYCHOTIC-MAN(harry knowles our queen amidala, you go girl!!)
by darthpsychotic
who is supposed to direct nick cage as superman? tim burton? metropolis should resemble coruscant of episode001. the villian should be that little psycho mr mxylplck(spelling whatever..) and/or even BIZARRO. perhaps we could even see some of those new superman/lightning bolt costumes.
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i'm gonna put my name in the hat for this one, i'm big enough, strong enough and have a nice wee hat to cover any revealing cage-style thinning areas.
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I can't. I mean doesn't his last name have to be Reeves, in which some unusual calamity must befall him? Isn't that written somewhere?
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Okay, okay, let's get this story straight. Nick Cage as Superman? Aren't we missing the obvious? Re-write the origin to have Supes as a suicidal alcoholic with Liz Shue (she was in Molly remember? No? Okay.) playing stripper Lois Vein in Leaving Metropolis. Screw Kryptonite, a bottle of Thunderball kicks his ass. Sweet. Superman yelling his head off, making wild swings at nothing. John Travolta could play Luthor. "Weeeeeee! What a pre-dica-ment!". Or you could bring back the original cast members from Superman 3. Two hours of Reeve and Pryor giving each other menacing blinks as Kidder's Lane screams obsenities from a cardboard box. Luthor: "Try to get me now Superman, I didn't install a ramp!". Movie magic. Fat Baldwin up, up and away! Oh yes, and out.
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For the love of god, you people are all retarded. Nicolas Cage is already musclebound. Did any of you "movie fans" even see Con Air or Bringing Out the Dead? He's the most muscular actor in hollywood. I said ACTOR! Arnold's a great action hero, but not a fucking actor. It's the same fucking thing. We hate Michael Keaton. No, the movie is great, we love him. Val Kilmer would be a great Batman, ugh, he sucked because Schumacher sucks. George "shake my head while I talk" Clooney, need I say more douchebags? Ooooh, did you see Hugh Jackman shirtless. Muscleless fag, but he looks cool as Wolverine, why doesn't anyone complain he's not bulging with muscles? Because who cares? Go watch Superman: The Movie and smile as Richard Donner shows you that "Man can fly!" Fucking losers. That movie was great in 1978. Just like how Star Wars was great in 77 but the new one, which is exactly the same, blows. This nostalgic shit doesn't translate. Otisburg? C'mon people, Lex Luthor was a dolt in those movies, a comic idiot. LOSERS! Give these movies a chance. You guys, the same ones who cried about Magneto, give comic-movie fans a bad name. Christ you all were totally crushed by a Sir Ian McKellan. He called you fanboys. Sir Ian McKellan called you fanboys! AAAAHHHHHAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA! Ian McKellan called you Fanboys! AAAHHHHHAAA HHHAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAA HAHHHHAAAAHHHAAA!!!!!! You must really suck. Fanboys. God, if you were offended by that, which you know you were, you REALLY suck!
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Anybody can pump iron and down a couple bottles of steroids and protein shakes. The problem I think most people have with Cage is he just doesn't have that Superman attitude coming off of him. Our minds have been tainted by seeing Cage in movies like "Face-Off" and "Snake Eyes" where he played really over-the-top sleazy-type characters who's biggest expressions are made up of high pitch crazy talk and bug-eyes. BUT...we have also seen the kinder, gentler side of Cage in movies like "It Could Happen to You" and in "Face-Off" but we tend to forget that because those other guys (who have no taste in clothes, either, you notice that?) are so overpowering to the memory. Maybe he can pull Superman off, but I'm a bit skeptical. Wait and see...
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Anyone remember Nick in the comedy "Trapped in Paradise?" He was nice, handsome, hell, he was down-right...uh...MILD-MANNERED. And muscles? Just rent Con-Air or that movie he made with David Caruso. Also, I think we all know the man can act. This could be the single greatest incarnation of the Man of Steel the world has ever known. But, who would direct? Should we give Richard Donner another shot? Nah...he lost me with Margot Kidder's "can you read my mind" nonsense. Paging the Wachowski brothers.
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No, I dont think he could pull of Clark Kent. Maybe Im wrong tho. *shrug*
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I understand what it is that you're saying here man, but did you mean to cite Face-Off as both a "for" and "against" argument? Perhaps you were reffering to "Con-Air"? Yeah, I'm not sure about Cage either, but I love his style and I enjoy all of his movies... all except Con-Air that is. Hopefully they CAN do something about the hairline. -
personally, I've never felt comfortable with this bit of casting. You can't make a silk purse out of a cow's ear, you can't polish a turd........and you can't turn Nicolas Cage into Superman. Look at a picture of Superman, then look at a picture of Cage.........no similarity at all. cage is too much of an action hero type to be Clark Kent, (too macho to be a wuss, in other words) and not enough of an action hero to be the world's greatest superhero.
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I certainly hope it's a good script, for Nic Cage's sake as well as mine.. He's been picking shite films to do for awhile now. It's really diminished his reputation, hasn't it? I'm having a hard time picturing him in the old blue and reds.. I have this mental picture of him flying through the air and suddenly becoming *angst-filled* and starting to whine about how Truth Justice and the American Way just aint what they used to be, and then running into a building, y'know? It's not working for me. But he's a good actor so maybe they can make it work. Superman was my favorite movie ever ever ever as a little kid (yes, even over Star Wars, although it was close) so if they're gonna try to milk the franchise for more it'd better be dammed good. I wouldn't mind another generation of kids looking up to the big S.
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He had both his over-acting moments and his touchy-feely, "I'm a hero" ones. Acting-wise, yes, I think he could do Superman if he's careful. I think this Superman will have to be very different from the Reeve Superman movies. They were more comic-bookish and I think the Cage Superman movie(s?) would have to be more grounded in reality...and I know how much many of you guys hate reality.
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I don't suppose that you've ever been ivolved in the casting of a Shakespearean play or something of that nature? Well I was, and let me tell you, I've seen MANY great actors and actresses turned down because they didn't look the part. You certainly have a good point there about looks though, that's why I'm only skeptical about Cage instead of against him. I think that he's a great actor... I love almost all of his movies. But he really doesn't look at all like Superman and superman's image is more well known than that of any other comic character. Now, that the nice part is over... I don't know where the fuck you get off insulting EVERYONE in the talkbacks, while seemingly pointing to yourself as the be all and end all of opinions in here. "Fanboys"? Who the hell are you? Dick Tracy? -
Feb 21, 2000 4:27:20 PM CST
I still say Guy Pearce as Superman and Nicolas Cage as Lex Lutho
by superman#1
Seriously I think Pearce would be good as Superman, but Cage would be even more awesome as Luthor. Oh well I think he'll still manage to pull it off acting wise. They can play around with his looks because hey this is Hollywood. Just look at movies this past year where they used make up and such to change people's looks.
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He's kinda tall. He's muscular already and supposedly getting bigger. Quick trivia: When he was getting ready to do Con Air, he showed up to some kind of meeting a hulk. And the studio execs said he was to mean or scary looking so he got cut instead. Also, look up Kiss of Death. He's huge in that movie. So, back on track, he's kinda tall, he'll be muscled-up, we all know the man can act, so what's the problem? Oh, yeah, he doesn't have a comic book, hand drawn sqaure jaw and wavy black hair. So, his face doesn't look like the various drawings of the characters over the last 60 years. So fucking what. Go ahead, cast Casper Van Dien. See just how cardboard acting can get. Ok. If you want the perfect Superman, read the comic. Or watch your beloved Superman: The Movie. Why try to do that again? So, an alien from Krypton who landed in Smallville and was raised by two kind people who couldn't have a child of their own is UNBELIEVABLE if he's not strikingly handsome. I think it makes the character more accessable. Why would he be awkward around Lois if he was this studly guy who could mack chicks like no other? Someone also scoffed at the alien angle. Oh shit, they want to try to think of how someone in that situation would feel. Oh, he wouldn't feel like an outsider misfit. It's not like regular kids all across this country succumb to those feelings at all. So why should someone from another planet who has amazing powers that can't be used have any such feelings? (this would be the high school part of his life) And someone who goes through that has a chip on their shoulder. Maybe the idea of gaining acceptance through acts of heroics isn't such a bad idea. To tell you the truth, I don't like the idea of this perfect boyscout who mindlessly fights for truth, justice, and the American way just cause it seems like the thing to do. God, forgive them for wanting to add a dimension to the character. I like that element to the story. Hopefully, that's the only thing they kept. I hope they got rid of the gay R2-D2 and Superman running around without powers using gadgets and shit. Regardless, I'm not counting out the movie based on the casting of Nicolas Cage. He's missing one element, it seems to all you fags, and that's Superman's dashing looks. So, find another actor who's had one performance worthy of an Academy Award, has a muscular build, Superman's looks, and a lot of interest in the project. I'd be interested to know who it is.
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Cage signed a contract to play SUperman in early 1997. That contract is still binding. So, if anyone thinks Cage playing Superman is some sort of bogus rumour, think again. Cage WILL play Superman. Geez, you guys have had 3 years to get used to it. Doesn't mean you have to like it, but he's there, get over it already!
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Cage isn't the perfect actor for the role of superman, but this project has potential if the script is as good as it sounds. Anyways I just pulled a 2-for-1 at the local theater, saw "The whole nine yards" and "Boiler Room". I definently recommend Boiler Room, a great little piece of filmmaking, sad to see it isn't doing well at the ol' B.O. Oh, and don't waste your time on the mediocre "9 yards", i'm sorry I did.
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We know and have known for awhile that Cage was set to be Superman... and some of us only joined the ranks of talkbackers recently, hell this is the first conversation I've been in on AICN that discusses Cage as Superman. Sometimes voicing OPINIONS helps people to better understand their own thoughts... just a crazy idea, talking about movies on a movie site...We still talk about Return of the Jedi and it came out in 1983, fuck we really are losers aren't we? Hey Harry, when did 2001 come out? I'm pretty damn sure that it was '69. WOW! That's old news... -
he has a long deigo nose and he's BALDING BIGTIME..and he's too damn old.just get some new no name actor. it worked before..
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Nicholas Cage as Superman! From the beginning I thought this was some kind of sick joke. No amount of buffing up is going to make him right for Superman, unless they superimposed Christopher Reeve's head on his body like that creepy Nuveen investments commercial. This isn't Batman, where the mask and armor pretty much allows any chump to convincingly play the part. Superman needs to look like Superman. The only actor right now of any name that looks right to me is Chris Klein (American Pie & Election), but he's a bit young and has that wimpy, Keanu Reevesish voice. In a couple of years, though, he could be perfect. But NIC CAGE?!? Come on! I'd rather have Jim Carrey in the role. And if Tim Burton directs that's all she wrote.
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Feb 21, 2000 8:30:00 PM CST
Superman III and IV, Who thinks looks matter now? Assholes!
by coopcooper
Ugh, Superman 3 and 4 had the right Superman with the right costume and the right look. If any of you stand up for those or give excuses, well, you can meet me down there. Down where? You know where. Anyway, worrying too much about actors or costumes is just a waste of time. If the movie sucks, then, fuck it. If it's great, then great. Perfect actors in perfect costumes didn't save Superman 3 and 4 and the studios KNOW THIS. Want to complain about the color of Wolverines costume. Think about it, complaining about a color (yellow) which every jackass in hollywood knows looks horrible on film. Think about this, really hard idiots, this stupid hollywood says, "Yellow looks horrible on film." You fan retards say, "Why isn't his suit yellow, duh, it's yellow in the comic." What does that equal: FUCKING GAY R2D2 ROBOTS! You want to sound like idiots, then they'll cater to idiots because, like all you goofs that saw Batman 4 should know, garbage makes money. The Backstreet Boys? Anyone? Just so you know, the movie studios will cater to you like the record companies cater to 12 year old girls, so keep giving artistic integrity shit, and you'll finally get your shitty comic book movies. After seeing the trailer, who thinks Danzig or Chris Benoit should be Wolvering now?
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Feb 21, 2000 10:43:56 PM CST
Did that Christopher Reeve commercial freak anyone else out?
by all thumbs
Just wondering. He played Superman and someone else mentioned it, so it's kinda related. I just think that it was a commercial with good intentions for a good cause, but totally went the opposite way to most of the public and just freaked people out.
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Don't let Nicholas Cage have the long hair that they stupidly put on Superman a while back. I just don't know about Nick for Superman, he's just been so damn awful in his last few films, I hope he doesn't ruin this one...
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All Thumbs. I must ask; what, in your opinion, was disturbing about the Christopher Reeves commercial? I found it to be very possibly therapeutic for Mr. Reeves himself, as well as benignly portentious for the rest of us with physical disabilities. I myself am a paraplegic who has the utmost faith in science and medicine to develop an escape from the faulty physical sarcophagus. Seeing this digital rendition on national television fomented and directed a great number of nascent ideas in myself. In addition, most of my acquaintances were equally vindicated, if you will, by this spot.
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Burton's imaginative world is dominated by themes of strangeness, alienation, subversion, eccentricity, and counterculturalism. This works well in quirky little films like NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS and ED WOOD. It is questionable when applied to subjects like SLEEPY HOLLOW and BATMAN, which Burton subverted by making the Dark Knight slender and unimposing, with millionaire-playboy Bruce Wayne a socially awkward dork. IT DOES NOT WORK AT ALL WHEN APPLIED TO SUPERMAN! Superman is as mainstream American as Jimmy Stewart, Chevrolet, Mom and apple pie, baseball, and the Statue of Liberty. NICOLAS CAGE IS NOT SUPERMAN. It has less to do with his physique (though this IS an issue) than his image and style. SUPERMAN IS THE ONLY COMIC-BOOK CHARACTER WHO HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY WELL CAST, and he has been well cast THREE TIMES IN A ROW--George Reeve, Christopher Reeves, and Dean Cain. When you consider how abysmally other heroes have been treated, this consistent brilliance is little short of amazing. DON'T BLOW IT NOW BY CASTING NICOLAS CAGE!!!!!!!
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Hmmm...so there's NO WAY Cage can effectively play Superman, eh? Just like there was NO WAY Keaton could be Batman? While I agree Patrick Waburton or Bruce Campbell would look the part, I have to say Nic has a better chance of opening up the character and, hopefully, showing us something we haven't seen before. I mean, think about it folks, if you want the same old Chris Reeve stuff, then pop Superman: The Movie in the ol' VCR. What would be the point of making another Superman movie exactly like that one? Nic Cage is an interesting and risky choice for the role, and I have to applaud that. Sure, there's always the possibility that the movie will suck big time, but if it does, so what? I'm out 8 bucks. Damn. At any rate, I bet our buddy Nic was just goofing on poor Mysterio. It's doubtful that Warners would suddenly be springing into overdrive on this project. Until we get more convincing evidence than Cage pumping iron, I'm not holding my breath.
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He looked perfect as superman in the t.v show and while he's not a boxoffice draw and hosts "Ripley's believe It Or Not". He could be a good choice. But Cage can do alright, remember they are looking to have Superman totally diferent from the comic book and i remember reading in premiere right after he signed on for the part that he was planning on playing superman as a freak and deeply troubled. Oh and Cage is only 35 he's not too old.
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Alright you guys, quit scaring me!
Just when I think this whole Nicholas Cage/Tim Burton Superman thing is finally dead and buried, up it rises again like some decomposing, animated corpse to haunt my waking hours. Cage is a fine actor but, as has been pointed out ad nauseum, he simply doesn't have the "look" for one of the most recognizable icons on the planet. Using Nicholas Cage to portray the Man of Tomorrow is on par with casting Dustin Hoffman as Wolverine or Al Pacino as Wonder Woman - it simply doesn't work! Tim burton is a brilliant, quirky director with a very distinctive voice(I believe "Edward Scissorhands" is one of the most beautiful fables ever filmed) but he is all wrong for Superman. Like David Lynch before him, Burton is enamored of the grotesque and often includes it in his films simply for its own sake. Giving Superman to Mr. Burton is very much the same as giving "Dune" to David Lynch; the result will be a disaster. I realize I hold the minority view on this subject, but I believe Tim Burton really missed the mark with the first Batman (and the casting of Michael Keaton as The Dark Knight and Jack Nicholson as the Joker didn't help this dog of a movie). I wince with pain every time I hear one of my fellow
posters go on about how Mr. Burton's "Batman" was so wonderful and how Michael Keaton was dead-on in the role. Sorry, no. The outlines for a truly great Superman movie are already here: John Byrne's 1980s revamping of the character; The World of Krypton as done some years ago by Mike Mignola and others, lending a credible backstory to Kal-El's culture and providing an eerie, tragic reason as to why Krypton ultimately exploded; and, finally, a Lex Luthor as portrayed in the excellent animated series, not some mustache-twirling mad-scientist "villain," but a brilliant industrialist who loathes Superman from his very soul. Now, that's the movie I want to see! I mean it's all there for the taking, storyboarded and everything - why on Earth doesn't someone take advantage of it and do something truly original (like making a film that adheres faithfully to its source material)!
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Dean cain was a pathetic Superman, He looked like a Wimp acted like wood and managed to turn the MAN OF STEEL to the MAN OF BLAND. The writers didn't help him either, There were no super-villians for superman to face or at least no villians that compair to those in the comic. The suggestion of Dean cain in the new movie, if it ever happens makes Nick Cage seem perfect despite not looking remotly like the image of Superman promoted by the comics, animated series and Chris Reeves Movies.
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Coopcooper, Benoit would the best Wolverine ever! He is Canadian, short, built, and could rip anybody's head off! I say recast him and shoot the freaking movie over!
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Feb 22, 2000 5:25:37 PM CST
Did anyone else see the Leaving Metropolis sketch on MadTV a lon
by the garbage man
The guy looked like Nic Cage, and I personally found the whole sketch freaking hilarious, especially the part where Superman is in the phone booth druck off his ass and he gives away his secret identity.
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I agree Dean Cain wasn't that great of a Superman, but I liked his Clark Kent. His portrayal of Kent was done very nicely (way better than his Superman) and so I think he was alright. My choice of course is Guy Pearce because he was practically Clark Kent in "L.A. Confidential", and he used to be a body builder. Of course he doesn't seem as buff as he was before, but if he did it again he'd be perfect. Still I think Cage will give us a new, different, and cool Superman so I'm for him as Superman.
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Feb 22, 2000 6:30:46 PM CST
FUCKING IDIOTS!!! TIM BURTON MADE ALL OF YOUR COMIC BOOK DREAMS
by 18buddahs
Tim Burton has been the only...i repeat ONLY...director to effectively and beautifully bring a comic book to life. you can whine and pout all you want, but before batman...comic book movies were DEAD!! tim burton revolutionized filmmaking and he's a FUCKING GENIUS!!!! if i hear one more pathetic fat ass star trek wannabe put down his sacred name, i'm gonna do some seriously fucked up shit...i don't know what it is yet, but trust me...it'll be evil...i mean, to be quite serious for a moment, tim burton's name should be worshipped by all of you...every film you love made after 1988, has been directly influenced by batman. the look, the feel, the technique, the sets...they made filmmakers realize that if they just put some thought and time into their films, they can make anything they want. i know mars attacks wasn't so hot, but c'mon, every filmmaker from the begining of time has made at least one bad flick. one out of seven is fucking amazing. and, by the way, whoever the fucking idiot was that said dean cain was a good superman needs to have their fucking head examined. he was so boring his biggest fans were the touched by an angel set. just remember fans, if it wasn't for Tim Burton, there would be no Matrix, no Blade, no Tarantino, no Seven, no Ain't it Cool News. so, just check yourself before you wreck yourself. and, for the idiot who said Tim Burton was too dark...please, read any fucking comic book ever written...they all involve evil men doing violent, fucked up evil things, and dark hereos who mercilessly track them down outside the law, until they are dead. that's dark shit!! comics are dark!! if you want something happy go watch a doris day movie, you faggot. whew!
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Why do all you guys keep talking about Burton, as if he were still directing Superman? Burton quite the project a year ago, and he isn't coming back, he's said so himself in several interviews.
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You're a fool if you think every film since Batman has Burton to thank. You seem to forget that the style Burton used had been used prior to 1989, even as way back as 1931.
Burton did an OK (I repeat OK) job with the first Batman film, but if you've ever read Sam Hamm's 1st draft script, and Tom Mankiewicz's superb previous script, you'll truly know how much Burton and co. botched the first film up.
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second off...an ok job? what movie did you watch? maybe the script was different, but it certainly didn't become one of the top twenty highest grossing films of all time, by being ok. and who cares how good the script was? the movie is awesome!! you can masturbate to the script in your closet all you want to, but i didn't see one botched scene in the whole thing, and more people than you agree with me. and yes, the style he uses is classic, but to this day, no one has been able to repeat it to that size or with as much panache. there have been over one hundred books, count them, about batman and the direction of tim burton. i challenge you to name me a better comic book movie and at least one bad scene in the original batman. and, you're the fool! if you can make a better movie than batman, i'd love to see it. but, until you can just put the cock back in your ear, you silly faggot. because, you know nothing about making movies. you don't know how difficult it is. you don't know what it takes to pull off what burton did in that movie. and arguing with you is like pearls before swine...you're too pigheaded to listen...
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Oh wait, I see, irony.
Not one botched scene in the movie? I agree, except for all the scenes that were actually on film. If you've been trying to find that horrible stank in your room, its probably coming from the stinking piece of crap video cassette of Batman that you own(but you should probably take a shower just to be safe). Oh no, hold on, it *was* one of the highest grossing movies of all time; so it must be good, just like Independence Day (crap), The Phantom Menace (crap), and Titanic (crap). You seem to really like crap, 18 Buddahs, so why don't you go eat some and leave the commenting to people who have something intelligent to say. -
Dean Cain was a HORRIBLE--repeat--HORRIBLE Superman. I don't remember Superman being Hawaiian. Anyway...Cage should only be Superman if Burton is directing. Otherwise it's a mistake (Burton can get away with skewed concepts...like Keaton as a short, skinny Batman..because that's what Burton specializes in). A mainstream, by-the-numbers version of Superman with Cage seems like a bad idea. Oh yeah, and, by the way, Kevin Smith's script was lame (although I guess he wrote what he was told to write by Peters).
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nic cage is THE worst choice for Superman. I would rather see Steve Bushemi as Hawkman in a major motion picture. I would rather see Kevin Smith as Thor!!! Nic Cage as any superhero other than...well...any superhero is just plain stupid.
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Remember when everyone freaked out when they heard Michael Keaton was cast to play BATMAN!?!
Look what happened there, he was the best BATMAN of them all!!! So lets not freak out just yet about Nic Cage playing SUPERMAN. He could give us the same surprise that Keaton did. I for one am truly excited to see what Cage does with the character. -
The idiocy of using Nick Cage has been pretty well established I think, so I won't go into that. I will say that if this flick gets made, I'd like to see an unknown actor playing Superman. Reason is, when you see Superman on the big screen, you should think to yourself, "Wow, that's Superman!" But if it's Nick Cage or some other well-known actor, you'll just think, "Look, Nick Cage is *wearing* a Superman costume!" Hurts the already strained suspension of disbelief. One of the many reasons the original SUPERMAN worked was that Christopher Reeve was largely unknown to the general public.
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well, you know, i bet the screenplays were awesome!! i bet they were. but, burton had his own vision. as all great director's tend too. and, if these screenplays are as good as you say, then hopefully they will be made one day. but, as for the guy who likes to say crap a lot. ummm, you still give no evidence or enlightening commentary as to why you think batman is crap. i'd really enjoy hearing your farce. because, as everyone knows, you don't know how to make a movie. ok. you couldn't direct your shit down a toilet bowl. ok. you couldn't lick tim burton's ass. ok. don't knock something that you have no idea about. and, as for Titanic and Independence Day, they aren't my favorite movies, but they're not crap. go to blockbuster someday, you can find real crap. like Cyber Ninjas, Devil Girl, etc. you're just spouting a lot of nonsense that's chic to say. but, really it's an unfounded and pathetic point of view.
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regardless of who is cast as
superman. They should cast Spacey, and do an all CGI Brainiac. Make him scary looking
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Feb 23, 2000 7:23:49 AM CST
one MORE pathetic, fat-ass star trek wannabe who thinks BURTONS
by vondoom
A FEW reasons, this could get
long:
1. Killed the Joker
2. Robert Wuhl
3. Everything involving Jim
Gordon (casting, writing, etc.)
4. Prince soundtrack (inappropriate at best)
10-15 years from now a better
director will make a much better
live action Batman, with the Joker, and Robin, and probably
Harley Quinn too. There is a
good movie to be made; no one
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Superman is NOT Italian - and Cage is *so* Italian, it ain't funny. Secondly, no matter how bad-ass a Superman he may be, he'd stink as CK even if he wasn't the "wrong" ethnic group. he can play a geeky, caring person about as well as Bruce Willis. I agree with the person suggesting they use an unknown - when dealing with a "known" character, you believe in the character more when you aren't going "so-and-so is wearing tights".
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While not the greatest movie ever, it was an excellent action film, but this is not why I bring it up. Cage played a normal guy who had to step it up and become a hero in the end. He played the character very well. Make him a bit more nerdy, and you have Clark Kent. People seem to be bashing his ability to play Kent by citing his over the top performances in films like Snake Eyes, but no one has brought up the one film that plays in his defense. I feel that he would be a great Kent, and a good Superman as well. That's how it worked with Keaton as Batman. We need someone who can act and not just somebody who "looks the part."
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Actually, I think we need someone who can act *and* looks the part. Hey, that shouldn't be as hard as casting Wolverine, the pint-sized, hairy Canadian with bulging muscles, big sideburns, pointy hair, and indeterminate age. All you need visually for Supes is a dark-haired guy between 25 and 30, with kind of classically handsome features and a decent athletic build. Cage lacks the hair, the facial features, and he's a little old for the role as well. Reeves was around 27 in the first movie if my calculations are correct; Cage is 36 now, probably 37 or 38 by the time it gets made. Hmmm. The look is important because if EVER there was an icon, it is Superman. Batman was a little more open for interpretation since you can't really see his facial features in the costume. As for Cage's acting abilities, I'd question whether he can carry off the nobility aspect of Superman, which is central to the character. Not real big on Cage's history as an action movie guy either - not one of his flicks has appealed to me. I'd much rather see him in comedies and dramas.
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Feb 23, 2000 12:13:24 PM CST
To All The Idiots Who Think Nick Cage Is Too "Italian Looking" T
by the monitor
... that's has to be one of the most asinine things I have EVER heard on this talkback-- and considering how STUPID some of the opinions voiced here are-- that's saying a whole lot!!!!!! If all you fellow film geeks didn't devour all those Hollywood trade and gossip mags while drooling and beating your meat how the hell would you really know Cage was of Italian descent???? NEWSFLASH-- PEOPLE: NICK CAGE LOOKS ABOUT AS "WHITE BREAD" AS JAMES VAN DER BEEK!!!!!! The average action fan that now makes up a good portion of Cage's present fan base would actually be a bit surprised to know that he's Francis Ford Coppola's nephew-- in the vast majority of Cage's early film work he played NUMEROUS MID-WESTERN FARM BOY AND CALIFORNIAN SURFER TYPES... have any of you great thinkers ever seen "Valley Girl", "Birdy", "Racing The Moon", or the epitome of overacting he did as Kathleen Turner's bleach-blond forty-something husband (he was still in his twenties) in Coppola's "Peggy Sue Got Married"? Probably not. And that goes to show you that most of you numbnuts have NO IDEA of the range and ability that Nick Cage has in the acting arena... now regarding how Supes looks himself in the comics... he has jet-black hair, blue eyes(I think), and a fairly good tan-- is that particular look that FUCKIN' far from how a lot of Italian-Americans look now???????????
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There already IS a Superman movie out there. I happen to love the first Superman: The Movie with Chris Reeve.
Why are they going back to do something like this? Why not come up with a NEW movie? How about a fresh concept? Why not try THINKING for a change and come up with an original movie?
So many times we hear of great movies being made that the producers/writers say they have been trying for YEARS to get made, yet we have to suffer through the Screams/Brady Bunch/Superman remakes.
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Feb 23, 2000 12:22:29 PM CST
WARNING TO STUDIOS -- YOU HAVE FANBOYS MASQUERADING AS ACTORS!!!
by superninja
Be very careful. Though these individuals are well intentioned, they have the potential to ruin your films with their dream of "fullfilling their childhood fantasies". Known offenders are Keanu Reeves, Freddie Printz, Jr. and Nicholas Cage. Be on the lookout for these individuals -- they are FANBOYS and should be considered extremely dangerous.
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Feb 23, 2000 12:29:07 PM CST
Superman For All Seasons directed by Paul Thomas Anderson
by superninja
That would be an interesting take on the project. I still like the idea of Superman being told from the perspective of the NORMAL people who surround him -- because it contrasts his incredible powers. It makes him awe-inspiring to view him from sort of a distance. Yet in this series (Loeb) there is wonderful characterization all round. Anderson's style would go well with this kind of story. It's Superman told from the viewpoint of Pa Kent, Lois, Lana and Luther. It brings all of the human elements of the character to the surface, and is emotionally moving. Cage and this whole "lets start over at the beginning" idea needs to be scrapped!
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You mentioned that Batman was one of the 20 highest grossing movies of all time, but so what? Is that a guide on quality?
Titanic is the highest grossing movie of all time, but it's a big stinking pile of crap! I thought it was such a nothing movie with pretty special effects...that's it.
Here was that movie in a nutshell: Get on board. Go to the top deck, go to the bottom, back up to the top, down to the bottom, hit an iceberg, oh wait! I forgot something, go back to the bottom deck. Wait don't get in the lifeboat. Take him to the bottom deck. I'm going to the bottom deck to save him. Let's go to the top deck! Throw the diamond overboard....roll credits.
Making money at the box office doesn't mean it's a good movie. Star Wars:Yes, Titanic:No, Jaws:Yes, Home Alone:No, Godfather:Yes, Batman:Eh...
That's what I thought of Batman...eh..it's ok.
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Feb 23, 2000 1:03:51 PM CST
Superman is supposed to be good looking. That's why Lois likes
by superninja
It's called a disguise. Let's face it -- Lois is a superficial b!tch. She doesn't get around to liking Clark until she can get past appearances. It's the whole point of their relationship that she falls in love with Clark instead of Superman because he's REAL. Superman is just his persona, it's not who Clark is. That said, Cage is all wrong for the part. Superman is NOT quirky. Superman is a boy-scout, always has been, and that theme is very central to the character, just as it is to Captain America (die Liefeld). He's a good, sweet man, who is struggling with his humanity in a corrupt world where he is viewed as an alien by those he protects.
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Feb 23, 2000 1:07:33 PM CST
Cage CAN be removed from the project if they scrap it Fabio2.
by superninja
Worse losses have occurred. Sure, they'd have to pay out his contract, but at this stage I'd rather see no movie at all then what they are setting this up to be. It's already a money pit, and when the film comes out, so will the inevitable comparisons to Reeves and Donner. And Cage will not hold up to Reeves. It's not like Batman where the only precedent was a camp 60s t.v. show -- Burton's Batman was the first realistic take on the character. So don't give me this "Keaton was Batman" crap, because it's not the same.
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Feb 23, 2000 1:09:14 PM CST
And look for the character to be pillaged even further to distan
by superninja
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Sgant, you questioned the merits of doing another Superman flick when the first Reeves one is so good. Well, I agree that the Reeves version is unlikely to ever be topped, but Superman has become this great modern icon and legend, and I'd like to see it sustained for each generation. As a character, Superman isn't my favorite superhero, but he is the *greatest* superhero, because he so perfectly embodies the heroic ideal. Kids today see so many dark heroes and anti-heroes in movies - wouldn't it be nice for them to see a pure hero like Superman for a change? It's the same reason the character continues in the comics. I'm guessing that there are pretty much no truly innovative Superman stories anymore, just variations on classic themes, and that's okay. The character should persist, made relevant to each new generation. Agreed that movies rely too much on remakes in general, but some traditions are worth keeping alive. ********* On the technical side, special effect have also come a long way since 1978. The effects in the original Superman hold up quite well I think, but I'd love to see what they could do now as well. In particular, I'd love to see modern FX applied towards a city-scale battle ala Superman II.
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I still think that Cage is WRONG for the part, but he is an actor and comic book fan at least understands the part and can play the part with some dignity.
What really concerns me is that Jon Peters is producing this film. Peters is incapable of making a good film, witness last summers abomination THE WILD, WILD WEST. But what do you expect from a man that started out his Hollywood career as Barbra Steisand's haridresser and salami suplier? -
There isn't anything wrong with an ethnic Superman; but Cage wouldn't work because of his physical appearance -- too balding, too droopy-eyed, too weak-chinned. Let Johnathon Schaech take a stab at playing Supes; if they REALLY want a dark, brooding Man of Steel, Schaech's your fella. I know that Cage is able to do dark & brooding, but then he'll try to play a tough, heroic type -- and, just like in "CON AIR", he'll present a sort of Elvis Presley-on-Viagra image. THAT kind of Superman would get laughed off the screen!!!
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Just give the guy a chance. I'm a huge Cage fan and I must admit that I can't see him in the suit either. Unlike most people here, I can however see him in the role of Clark Kent. I say we give him a chance. I believe he's a great actor and he may surprise some of you.
And for everybody who keeps talking about his dark and brooding characters, I'll point you to movies like "It Could Happen to You" and "Trapped in Paradise." He can play more than disturbed characters, and I think he'll do a good job. But, like always, only time will tell. -
Feb 23, 2000 10:58:45 PM CST
Hey Superninja, if that is your real name, your take is pretty m
by coopcooper
A sweet, noble guy who's looked upon as an alien by those he protects. And the guy who said that kids this generation should have a genuine hero, not the usual anti-hero. I've read some interviews, and Cage's mindset for the character is pretty fuckin' noble. If you give Superman, Clark Kent, actual feelings of being an outsider, not fitting in, feeling different, that makes him even more of figure for the youngsters (and lonely fanboys who hang around these talkbacks) to identify with. He said something about a kid who feels weird or different might not feel so bad cause, you know, Superman has those feelings too! Now that's not something to dwell on, but as a part of the story I think it has value. And the idea of Superman doing heroics and feeling accepted because of it. Imagine Supes stopping a robbery or something in grand fashion and grabbing a thug and shoulder pressing him above his head to a roaring or awed crowd. That'd be badass. God, don't even get me started on the jackass that said Cage couldn't pull of the disguise of Clark Kent. That's the oldest joke in the book. About how Lois and everyone could be so stupid as to not be able to see through a pair of glasses. That's not even an issue. Look assholes, for now Nicolas Cage is going to be Superman. Live with it. Try to be optomistic for a change. Look at the positive side. You can tear him apart til the end of time and all that it's gonna do is make you hate the movie even more. Before any scoops of Cage in costume, before any teaser trailers. The least you could do is see what he looks like for the role, see how jacked he gets, see what he looks like in costume at least before you start bashing the shit out of him. If they make a mess of it, fuck, I'll be there with you. But until then I'm gonna give it a chance.
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Man I'll be one of the first people to tell you I loved the first Batman movie but I highly highly doubt he influenced everything you said. Hey I think he's an alright director, but he is not the greatest director ever. I was willing to give Burton a chance at Superman because I figured he did do Batman and changed him from a campy tight wearing joke to a dark body armor wearing vigilante. Now obviously this is not the type of change Superman needs, but I think Burton would have been interesting. However he is gone so deal with it, Burton would never come to mind in a million years as director for this movie. I always thought Donner should come back and if not him then Simon West would be decent enough.
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Feb 24, 2000 3:09:26 PM CST
Coopcooper...I didn't say Cage couldn't get the heart of the cha
by superninja
I was responding to two different posts. Maybe you'd have discovered that if you'd read all of the TalkBacks. Anyway, Cage I'm sure wants to do the character justice -- I don't doubt that. The problem is #1 the script doesn't do the character justice and #2 Cage is full of little idiosyncrasies. These quirks that come out in his performances (that make him good in some films, annoying in others) would NOT GO WITH THE SUPERMAN character. You'll probably say it will make him more real, human, blah blah blah -- No. Superman is a midwestern farmboy, alien through no fault of his own. He is an all-American, as straight an arrow as you can get. That's why it's so fun to watch him stumble through Metropolis as Clark, because despite his advanced mind, THIS IS ALL NEW TO HIM. Cage just doesn't have the gee-gollyness to pull the character off. In fact, I think he'd come off as white-trash. And given the script---ech. It would REALLY be a mess.
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Feb 24, 2000 4:26:03 PM CST
Wow, superninja, I had no idea you've read the latest script tha
by coopcooper
Look ass, we agree that he can capture the spirit or has good intentions to do the character justice or whatever. He'll get big for the part. He's a good actor. Now, I have no idea what the new script looks like, or how exactly Cage plans to play the part. And neither do you. I do know that I couldn't finish reading Kevin Smith's script, it sucked so bad. It was just like the comic and the comic sucks. I don't even bother with Superman comics. Fuck, the last Batman comic I picked up was terrible as well. You don't want them to make perfect comic movies. See, when you think back to your beloved comics, you remember all the standout stories. But month to month they regularly suck. The great hope with the comic movies is if they'd just take the characters we love and put them in a good story on film. But you make it sound like you've read the latest script and know exactly how Cage plans to act as Superman/Clark Kent, making yourself sound like an ass. In my last post, I responded to multiple posts as well. I've read most of this shit in this talkback, and I was responding to the comments you made, regardless of where they were directed.
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Well, that's what the Hollywood Reporter is suggesting today. Looks like the old WB is courting Stone to take the helm on thin one, which leads me to believe WB is fast tracking this one!
Also, of a sidenote, Roger Donaldson is also mentioned as being inked to direct "The Fantastic Four" since Columbus stepped down from directing (probably to pursue "Harry Potter").
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