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Don't Forget ACT OF VALOR!!
Merrick here...
There's an interesting film on the way which isn't getting a great deal of play on some Geek outlets (ours included, although we've posted a few references to date). The more I see of the title, the more I'm sensing that such an oversight may ultimately be something of an injustice. So here's a little something to help make up for it...
Consider if you will the most recent trailer for ACT OF VALOR - a film featuring real Navy SEALs, real weaponry, and real Special Forces combat tactics. The film's plotline is 'fictional' on the whole, although elements of its narrative are evidently cribbed from five separate real life instances.
For clarity, this material is not newly released - some of you may well have seen it already. This is just a heads up - calling attention to a picture many have not heard about yet. Given that Relativity is trotting out two Superbowl spots for the movie, I'm guessing that the project's visibility will increase rather significantly quite soon. A number of people in my immediate circle are extremely stoked for AoV - and, even if the movie washes up, having such authentic insight into tactics and personalities of Navy SEALs will hopefully prove compelling enough in itself to justify our excitement.
Here's AoV's most recent full trailer...
...and here's an interesting 'Making of...' reel which explains how the project came about, and how the film was ultimately realized.
Both of the embeds above are available in Glorious QuickTime HERE.
I've always been deeply fascinated by, and tremendously respectful of, Special Forces personnel and am deeply intrigued to get this kind of glimpse into their shadowy but critically important universe. My teenage son is really, really looking forward to this movie and has been blabbering about it since he saw the first footage from it last year. Guess it'll make for a nice father/son 'guys night out'?
Look for ACT OF VALOR on screens February 24...
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And this movie deserves all the attention it can get
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST
I'm still not enlisting, no matter how sexy their recruitment videos are
by Rtobert
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That's what the commercial says. Hey you, yeah you, forget about hunting that terrorist group we need in wardrobe like yesterday!
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST
Rumsfeld: You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want
by Rtobert
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
After being on our war footing for the past decade, I'm surprised there hasn't been more blatant propoganda like this
by P
During WWII, the military and Hollywood were quite cozy and churned out a ton of stuff like this. Audie Murphy even played himself in a biopic after the war, recreating his exploits. Despite the generic PS3-inspired name, this movie looks like pretty slick action.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
So let me get this straight... REAL soldiers in a fictitious war?
by MisterMxyzptlk
Yeah, that will be the day.
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Well... since the Nazis.
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This movie looks amazing. I'm laughing hard here at the people in the TB already talking like they're above it. Grow up guys. Your film degree or enthusiasm for the medium doesn't give you some miraculous extra knowledge about this or its intention. <P> Haywire you'll drool for. This you'll balk at. Its sad when your fantasies are so important to you that anything resembling the real big bad world scares you.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
Do we get to see SEAL domestic life? 'Cause I want to see SEALs clubbing.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
The television spots are sporting some terrible, over the top ADR work. Didn't Michael Bay's films accomplish enough fictional action for recruitment?
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
Will the pissing on the corpses be a deleted scene on the DVD?
by Rtobert
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002174732 Fifth paragraph sums it up nicely.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
I thinkt here is no advantage to using real Navy SEALS
by Spandau Belly
I understand the value of getting a real martial artist like Jet Li to play a fighter in a movie because he can do cool moves on screen. Or a real stuntman like Jackie Chan because you get to see a real stunt being done. But what's the advantage of SEALS on screen? What can they actually do on camera? It's not like they're really going to kill anybody making this movie so what's the value of having a guy who can really shoot well? You could just have an actor who has charisma and can act well and the effect is just as convincing but the acting is better.
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The National Guard recruiters were there with a big tank in the middle of the theater parking lot. Ahh, the 80s ;)
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Might recall the name of this DP from the Christian Bale freak out during the 'Terminator: Salvation' shoot. Yeah, That 'Shane'. Ya know, there's a lot that went wrong with 'Terminator: Salvation', a lot - but none of that had anything to do with the DP. That movie looked beautiful, and I've been looking forward to this project of his for a while now.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST
Perkins, we need a futile gesture at this stage. It will raise the whole tone of the war.
by Nerfee
Get up in a crate, Perkins. Pop over to Bremen. Take a shufti. Don’t come back.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
spandau belly, I'm sure real SEALS could point out a ton of things Hollywood actors get wrong
by P
but that doesn't mean they will get it right, either. In the end, I suspect the casting is a marketing gimmick to something that would otherwise be some DTV starring a WWE wrestler. But who knows? Maybe there is a star in the making there. We'll see (or you'll see. I'll probably skip).
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Props to the real life Navy Seals, but it's obvious they aren't actors and that shit comes off as campy as fuck. A lot of people have said "Inglorious Basterds" closed the book on WW2 movies, when will the middle eastern movies be closed too? I'm so fucking sick of them. Will not be seeing this movie.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST
Hey I'm as big of an anti-war pacifist as the next guy...
by JethroBodine
I'm as big of an anti-war pacifist as the next guy but every so often even I welcome getting a chance to gather some insight into what our tax dollars have wrought. And by that I mean more than just weekly, monthly, and yearly body counts, or whatver side is spouting their political agenda in a news column somewhere, or in dry documentary footage, or in Hollywood's latest fantasy shoot 'em up. Honestly how many wars can Barry Pepper frown his way through anyway? I think this film, despite it's propoganda, will be able to expose the elite armed forces for what they ASPIRE to be. Pissing on dead opposing combatants and the like is most certainly NOT the way they wish to be seen, yet due to the nature of their job they rarely if ever get a chance to tell the upside of their stories and the parts that make them proud of who they are and what they do because of the need to keep their identities hidden. They do some amazing stuff, whether you like it or approve of it or not. When the shit gets tough, it's good to know that they are out there, and I think it's just fine that once in a blue moon they decide to show us what they've got in a less dry and more entertaining way. Sure they get overused, sure we have recently been in some wars that we never should have been in. Sure it takes a special kind of often (not all the time but often) unappealing wardog mentality and personality to be in the armed forces when their isn't a draft, but they are out there and they are on our side and they are kicking ass when we ask them to and all in all they are a pretty impressive lot, and I for one am intrigued and axious to see this film.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
Im sorry Merrick, but I'm interested in movies, not propaganda
by RedLeaderStandingBy
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has been hit by you!
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
I remember hearing about this film on a forum a year or so ago
by lv_426
where they were talking about how this was filmed with DSLR's like the Canon 5DmkII and other current yet more affordable digital cameras. I hadn't seen the trailer for this until I went to see Mission Impossible IV around the holidays. It was kind of funny actually, as the trailer for Act of Valor played right before that of the trailer for the G.I. Joe sequel. Back to back like that, it made G.I. Joe part II look absolutely silly. Not that it is some movie to take seriously in the first place, but the more realistic focus of Act of Valor's trailer which when playing before a G.I. Joe trailer really made the latter look so dumb and pointless and just gave it a veneer of glossy, overproduced bullshit. I'm not saying Act of Valor is great, as I haven't seen the film yet. The trailer has me interested though. My only worry would be they are going to have too much shakey-cam antics to give it that faux-doc feel that is so popular these days, and that can obscure the onscreen geography during a firefight or basic action scene when overdone. As for Act of Valor being a recruitment film, get real people. Just about everyone said the same thing up and down the internets with Battle: LA. Personally, I don't see how a movie about soldiers fighting aliens equals making people join the military, but that seems to be the bogus theory everyone has latched onto. If that is the case, then films and TV shows like Aliens, Predator, Battlestar Galactica, and Star Trek are also suspect and should be labeled as propaganda as well. If anyone is stupid enough to join the military solely because of a movie, then that is their problem. Even if a movie or a book did get someone to start thinking of possibly joining the military, I can guarantee you that they will go through a lot more pondering and deep thought on it, in regards to whether or not it is the right path for them. In the end, I highly doubt that they will end up in the military just because of a film. That is crazy talk if we are talking about something like Act of Valor or Battle: LA. Neither of which seem like straight up propaganda in my eyes. Now, let's say that this is true, and movies are way more influential than we think. What about other subject matter? Romantic comedies about marriage are bad because it will force couples to prematurely marry and then divorce later on. How about movies about criminals, or heist flicks like Ocean's 11? Those promote crime, meaning we'll have millions of people going home from the theater and planning an elaborate heist, thus causing capitalist society to collapse due to all the theft and people clogging up the court systems, not to mention way less people to buy shit because they're all in jail! Now, countdown to a bunch of comments calling me a fascist...
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
No. War movies are about looking in the mirror... judging the heroes in the same way that you judge the villains. They are about finding accountability and realizing that it's never really US vs. THEM.
by Pvt. Duke
How do you expect a bunch of guys who are trained to follow orders, sans questions, to partake in a story about themselves? A close family friend is a special ops soldier... plainclothed in the middle east, he laces targets with the red-eye and gets out of Dodge before the airstrike comes in. I love the kid. But if I want an unbiased opinion on the war, he is not the one to ask.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
choppah, rtambree beat you to it. Still a great comment.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
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Why do Hollywood movies cost so much if they can do this with digital SLRs?!
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Jan. 17, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST
lv_426, the Pentagon gives the movies that show that in a positive/heroic light carte blanche and access to their newst toys. That, my friend, is the definition of propoganda. And in case you need the actual definition, here you go:
by P
A form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself or one's group. You are quite naive if you thinking the only recruiting being done is done via tradional recruiting efforts. Movies and video games have served as recruiting tools by the miliatary for years. THEY don't even dispute this, so why would YOU?
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Just like lumping all TB'ers as pathetic asshats who can't distinguish the top tier elite SEALs from the Marines who were on the news; choppah and rtambree - why not try to be braver than the sad online personas you portray. Everyone here knows you'd be pissing yourselves if a SEAL was standing in front of you.
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A movie about the worlds 7th best Special Forces unit! Do they show the general clusterfuckness and 'All The Gear, No Idea' approach to everything?
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because, guys, they're using LIVE ROUNDS in their action sequences; from a film makers perspective, that alone would earn this movie a place on the shelf. I'm stoked to see how they move, especially as a unit, because that's what actors can't generally do, often because there isn't the time. Aliens comes to mind as a film, that although fantasy, gave us real grunts; I hope we get some of the same camaraderie from these men.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
Also, it isn't like the military/government is trying to surpress any info on what real war is like
by lv_426
Remember, this is a mainstream Hollywood movie. Of course is might be a bit skewed toward certain higher ideals and notions of war and sacrifice than say, a History Channel show recounting an actual battle in a war. That doesn't mean it is propaganda nor that it is worthless. Lately there seems to be much more documentary style stuff on TV that tells and shows what war is really like, in comparison to Hollywood movies about war (when I say Hollywood movies, I am talking ones that at least try to show war in a realistic way, and not something like Transformers that just has military characters and gear in it as a side element). On cable channels like History, I've seen a lot of really interesting documentary programs on the recent Iraq war, as well as a really telling show called Vietnam in HD, that had real veterans talking about their experiences in that war. Honestly, there is more of that out there for us TV and movie watchers as well as non-fiction books to read about war, than there are brand new big budget war flicks that -supposedly- are being used as recruitment tools by the military. If that were the case, then every damn war movie is, maybe with the exception being Apocalypse Now, which was really just Hearts of Darkness set in during the Vietnam War. But what about all the films that show war, good or bad, being just as accountable for brainwashing the dumb masses into military service? Black Hawk Down Saving Private Ryan Band of Brothers The Pacific The Dirty Dozen The Longest Day Some of these are classic war films and well regarded among audiences and critics I'd say. They all deal with war in different ways, but if we are to have knee jerk reactions like we have with Battle: LA and now with Act of Valor, we might not get another Longest Day or Saving Private Ryan again. Who wants to make a war film, even one that is critical of war, if everyone just blathers out =you fascist bastard, how dare you try and force me to join the military with your war film= when they see a fucking trailer for it? In the end, if the final movie that is Act of Valor sucks, or is too RAH RAH MILITARY IS GREAT! Then you all have the right to criticize it like any other movie. But how do you know for a fact that it is a straight up propaganda piece from just the trailer? We've all been mislead by trailers haven't we? Transformers looked pretty damn good in the trailer, as did Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and we all know how those two turned out. What about The Phantom Menace? That was one of the biggest disappointments ever, yet we all got pumped by the great trailer. Same with Alien Resurrection, with its creepy but cool Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star rendition playing under a bunch of quickly cut imagery that suggested another AL()ENS, not a weird-semi erotic French comedy take on the Alien universe. The funny thing is, nobody seems to care that in the same year we are getting a freaking Steven Spielberg directed Abe Lincoln biopic with none other than Daniel Day Lewis as Honest Abe, we have to first be annoyed by the existence of that goofy and completely pointless looking Abe Lincoln as a vampire hunter flick. I would think people would be really offended by that one, yet it is a rather straightforward war/action movie here that provokes people. Speaking of Steven Spielberg... if he or someone like say Ridley Scott had directed Act of Valor, using real Navy SEALs for some for the characters, then everyone here would be jizzing all over themselves with how genius it was for them to do the film this way. We'd all be jumping for joy for another war film, but this time set in the modern day, from Spielberg. If Ridley Scott had made it as his follow up to Prometheus, we'd all be thrilled that he was returning to a similar setting and type of filmmaking that we got with Black Hawk Down about a decade ago.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST
branmakmorn, I'm sure choppah and rtambree are aware of that distinction. Just as we are aware that they were just "taking the piss" (no pun intended) out of some blatantly flag-waving, cinematic histrionics
by P
I'm as proud an American as any. But personally, I'm glad that this talkback isn't stuffed with America Fuck Yeah jingoism. Reasonably intelligent people know when their Patriotism is being pandered to. This whole starring-real-SEALS angle just feels cheap and opportunistic. I'm sure it will be dumb fun for the Call of Duty crowd, but let's not get carried away. That said, I think it's cool for the SEALS who starred in this. They don't get paid nearly enough for the danger they face. More power to them.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
Yes, and the Irish Military helped out as extras on Braveheart for the battle scenes
by lv_426
propaganda!
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
James Cameron used a real ex-soldier, Al Matthews, to portray Sgt. Apone in AL()ENS
by lv_426
propaganda (for our great-great-great grandkids)!
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I'm not going to pay to see some Navy recruitment video.
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just sayin..
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
Top tier uhuh? well that didnt help the latest Medal of Honor VG to become a hit.
by KilliK
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=I'm not going to pay to see some Navy recruitment video.= Why would you? The Navy will let you see it for free I'm sure. Now go get yourself a little drinky-poo and have yourself a (belated) Merry Shitmas!
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
Michael Bay is my favorite director for USA Military propaganda movies..
by KilliK
Have you seen the intro in Transformers 1? Where the soldiers are having fun like they are college students in a fraternity? Where a bold fat guy is happily splashing in a small plastic swimming pool? If you want to advertise lingerie,cars or make a recruitment ad,Michael Bay is your guy for the job.
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Shithawks are comin', bud. Shithawks. (guzzles flask while walking backwards)
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
After leftist anti-American propaganda of the last several years, this is refreshing.
by Fandude7
You bunch of idiots don't realize that if it wasn't for American soldiers, you would not have the freedoms you have now. Where do you think they come from? Grow some balls and except the fact. Stop being bunch of pussy pacifists.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
And lv_426 that the American Army videogame is a great multiplayer fps.
by KilliK
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
And lv_426 dont forget that the American Army videogame is a great multiplayer fps.
by KilliK
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST
Every nation has an equivalent of this to suck people into creating the next generation of warfare for the rest of us.
by justmyluck
SO FUCKING COOL!!!!
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
The American Army is being developed and produced by the American Army btw.
by KilliK
for those who dont know.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST
So it uses real military people and equipment to sensationalize war for entertainment purposes?
by kevred
And people wonder why so many people want the military budget cut. If it's anything but a one-dimensional, one-sided, melodramatic piece of recruiting-oriented crap, I'll eat my hat. The reason it's not getting more press is because too many people can see right through what it really is.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST
fandude7, I will not except the fact. I won't accept the fact either.
by P
Does literacy make me a left wing pussy too? Nobody is disparaging the armed forces, Rambo. We're just saying that the movie looks like silly propoganda. Relax.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
These types of reactions here, and the same ones that called Battle: LA a recruitment film
by lv_426
show why I personally would never try to make a film about any real war. I'd just do a sci-fi war film like Aliens, Halo, or Battlestar Galactica. If I was set on doing something war flimic besides science fiction, then I'd use World War II, or maybe a medieval or ancient war, as those historical settings seem to be okay with audiences. Too many people need that extra element of fantasy layered on top to be able to actually give a shit about a soldier or military officer as a character in a movie, whether fictional, or based on real events in any way shape or form. Plus, those types of films, if done well, stand the test of time better anyways (Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Aliens). Seems that it has been like this post Vietnam, and now it will be that way with any new war films for a good while due to the recent wars in the Middle East.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
@fandude7, maybe you could enlighten us with specific examples of this "propaganda"?
by kevred
And then tell me exactly what freedoms any soldier since WWII has provided for me, that is, apart from the freedom for my country to keep exploiting other countries for profit for the last 60 years. (And that's no slight against the troops, rather against how they've been used and abused in the fraudulent name of freedom by our military-industrial complex.) If you think freedom comes from soldiers, there are an awful lot of facts you're not "excepting".
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Where just as today a lot can be done with aerial drones, the soldiers of tomorrow will be Cheetos munching joystick jockeys sitting in cubicles in air conditioned office buildings while they control a drone trooper halfway across the world. That and there will also be the virtual mechanized cavalry divisions, sitting inside personal simulators so that they can control a mech or a drone tank. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleTech_Centers Now those kinds of ideas could could make for an interesting near future sci-fi war flick. It does worry me out that we could eventually be at constant war if the notion of a casualty is just a robot that can be replaced in a factory. Hey, that'll fix the economy. More war equals more warbot troopers, which generates more jobs and puts more money into the economy.
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Passion of the Chirst numbers, yo
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Jan. 17, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
We all know that this will still not beat the best SEAL movie ever made
by lv_426
No, I'm not talking about G.I. Jane. No, that honor goes to the masterpiece known as Navy SEALs starring Charlie Sheen, Michael Biehn, and Bill Paxton as the team's sniper codenamed God.
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Michael Biehn in The Rock: =Make no mistake, gentlemen. We are in the fight of our lives, against one of the greatest battalion commanders of the Vietnam War, I shit you not.=
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who can't handle a war movie. not all libs don't respect the military just a minority (i think but this talkback is scaring me a little) who also possess the quality of being a douchebag.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
Seals are redundant. The future of war is drones versus Afghanistan goat herders
by Rtobert
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they used real people as either A) A hook for people to see the movie, B) To cut the cost necessary for A-list or even B-list celebs, C) because actors weren't accepting the roles quick enough. Black Hawk Down, Saving Private Ryan, and a host of other films had real people training the actors in boot camp and teaching them all the real tactics...BHD especially, considering the director's cut had behind the scenes with EVERY actor saying how brutal the training was, and interviews with the military men training them bottom line--actors could do this stuff. However...the movie is still going to be good and be a great way to remember those who serve. PS, I hate that people are calling this the COD movie...it ain't...COD is for blowing stuff up and getting pissed at campers who use glitches on you....this is a way for all of us to understand and get to know real SEALS in their environment and at home...I think it'll be good
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Jan. 17, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST
This looks like two movies edited into one. Anyone else see that?
by impossibledreamers
Okay, lets see the US guys in action in a jungle. Now, some mid-east terrorist dude. And back to the jungle. WTF?! So, they filmed real soldiers probably doing training exercises... then a bunch of 'couldn't make the Left Behind cut' actors somewhere completely different... then edit it together! Love to see the part where a US guy in the jungle shoots and an arab in the desert falls down flopping. This is like something Roger Corman would do.
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there's 5 missions in the movie...so they could very well be in the forest and then the jungle and then the desert...the director even said they went around the world to show the scope of what these soldiers do.
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SEALs are second only to DEVGRU and SAD/SOG.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
Yeah. Onward Christian soldiers! Fighting for the United States of Jesus!
by AzulTool
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Jan. 17, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST
Hide your cocks, totalreality sees the world for what it really is. "Grow some balls! War is hell! Ouuuuut."
by Pvt. Duke
Go deliver a fist-bump and go back to listening to Jim Rome, you douchebag. It's like A-Rod... just because he can play ball doesn't mean he has any business, or would have any success, explaining it to others. He'd be a shitty commentator and he'd be a shitty baseball historian because he's an idiot. The fact that this movie is told by soldiers is more of a red-flag than anything. I'm interested in their perspective, but not unchallenged for two straight hours.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
You kids shouting, "Propaganda!" probably enjoyed GREEN ZONE.
by Sir Loin
LOL. Have any of you actually, you know, served in the military in any capacity? Didn't think so. Back to DailyKOS, then.
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Curse the men that spill their blood for shitty reasons.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
The only anti-American film of the last few years I can think of...
by Nerfee
...He's Just Not That Into You. It's clearly written by Bin Laden to make all the women of America look like awful whiny bitches. Oh, and that one where Billy Zane plays an evil soldier of the Great Satan. But I think that was made by the Angry Mullahs Television Workshop.
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You guys just finished yourselves off. You really are nothing more than fat losers who live with you mothers. The stereotype got old but you fucking idiots never grew up. <P> You're fucking pathetic. You think pissing on a corpse is bad? The Taliban wouldn't piss on your corpse. They'd just pour acid down your throat for not submitting to their ideals. They're like liberals: if you don't think like them you're a target and all the while they'll whine and cry like little girls whenever things don't go their way.
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Jan. 17, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST
Now, now Supermarch. That's a little uncalled for. Besides, everyone knows that SEALs don't piss on the dead and vanquished.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
They just take ears as souvenirs. Judge Holden told me it was so. What? What I say?
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Jan. 17, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
At least a TOP GUN sequel can be made on the cheap by replacing Tom Cruise with a drone decoarated in Scientology logos.
by justmyluck
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So did you quote that directly from your college professor or are you just paraphrasing?
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Shane Hurlbut and the Canon 5D! Tweek them lights all you want Shane and welcolme to the revolution Bale, you snot-nosed brat! Naw I'm just kidding, I like Christian Bale, but Shane Hurlbut IS all kinds of awesome.
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In fact, this is just your typical modern war movie that was shot under a tight budget. I'm not baggin on it, it looks really cool no doubt, but the fact that the lot of you are calling this a propaganda film is just dumbfounding. I know for a fact that these are actors and not real soldiers, but doesn't make it a propaganda film.
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Well... You're a total dick.
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Jan. 18, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST
so this is like Starship Troopers but without the sarcasm and the humour?
by AsimovLives
and unisex showers.
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Jan. 18, 2012, 6:54 a.m. CST
A poster had it right, if this were a regular movie, you'd love it...
by rstoewe
But since it's based on real tactics and using active-duty SEALS, it's automatically propaganda and not worth your time. I remember when the internet wasn't 99.9% useless trolling. Then, DARPA let it out of their interior network and you all FUCKED IT UP.
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We DESPERATELY need more of those! Remember guys, if you don't have some sort of military background, you're worthless. This is AMERICA. The land of DOING not THINKING. Sure, if the amount of money that's given to the military were given to intellectual institutions and intelligence gathering, we'd probably not have any wars or conflicts that called for military action ...but, then it wouldn't be BADASS! God Bless the brave men and women of our military forces. Without them, we'd have boring art films!
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The guys that iced Bin?
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Sick of how people don't appreciate the military. We're not perfect, but why should all films be negative about the military? Oh, thats right because everyone in Hollywood is pretty much Liberal. "Military bad. Only apologies for being American excepted. Blah, Blah, Blah." As I said: Pathetic
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Jan. 18, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST
I am against unjust war in general...but I DO prefer our elite black ops' units methodologies to remain dark!!!
by Dogmatic
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Jan. 18, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST
lisab: those films aren't necessarily anti-USA, many of them are simply opposed to corruption in government/foreign policy
by melonman
And FLIGHT 93 doesn't really deserve to be on that list anyway. You can still love your country without agreeing blindly with everything committed in it's name. A patriot can be someone who believes in what's right, not just what they're told to do.
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Jan. 18, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
Military-porn Transfomers would have out box-officed lisab's list
by Rtobert
You can hardly accuse Hollywood of being Liberal and anti-military. 80% of Hollywood movies have guns in them. All problems are solved with a weapon. Each villain has to be blown away at the end, not incarcerated. If Hollywood was liberal, you'd have negotiation and due-process and jail, not action-hero as judge-jury-executioner.
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Jan. 18, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
Lisab, so any film that questions or challenges neoconservative policies or values is anti-American?
by P
if that's not your definition, what is? Tell me exactly what makes these films anti-American.
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harmless farmer? what are you talking about? apparently kidnapping and burying someone in a box and holding them for ransom is harmless. **SPOILER** and suffocating him with sand is harmless too? also anti-conservative and anti-american is different. and tophat the military protects this country. iraq was pointless, but lots weren't, say ww2. military is neccessary and ur retarded and wrong if u think otherwise
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Jan. 18, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
Lisab, if you are going to categorically label all of the aforementioned films as anti-American
by P
than you should be able to define Anti-Americanism without going on a stream of consciousness rant about sharia law and Hollywood liberalism. So again: what IS anti-Americanism? BTW, you might want to avoid posting from your smartphone. It's hard enough to read without the typos and stuff.
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