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No Writing Credit For Director J.J. Abrams On New STAR TREK Movie, Which Begins Production Today!!

I am – Hercules!!

One newsworthy part of this release, perhaps, is that director J.J. Abrams appears not to be taking a writing credit alongside the "Cowboys Vs. Aliens" team of Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof. Earlier reports suggested Abramas would take that credit, which in turn suggested he did a lot of work on the script in recent months.  Abrams did not take a writing credit on the 2009 "Star Trek" either.

The release confirms the return of Bruce Greenwood, who played Chris Pike last time around, and the additions of Benedict Cumberbatch (TV’s Sherlock), Alice Eve (“She’s Out Of My League”) and Peter Weller (“Buckaroo Banzai”). 

Does it have Hortas? Does it have Tholians? Does it have Harry Mudd, Gary Mitchell, Janice Rand, Carol Marcus, Christine Chapel, Saavik, Cyrano Jones or a good-guy version of Khan Noonian Singh?

Look! A press release that answers none of these questions!

LOS ANGELES, Jan. 14, 2012 – Paramount Pictures announced that principal photography has commenced in Los Angeles, CA on the sequel to STAR TREK from director J.J. Abrams. The film will be released on May 17, 2013 in 3D. The 2009 re-launch of the “Star Trek” franchise by Abrams was met with critical acclaim and a worldwide gross of over $385 million at the box office.
Paramount Pictures and Skydance Productions present a Bad Robot Production of a J.J. Abrams Film. Returning to their posts on the Enterprise are John Cho, Bruce Greenwood, Simon Pegg, Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Karl Urban, and Anton Yelchin. They are joined by new cast members Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve and Peter Weller.
Based upon “Star Trek” created by Gene Roddenberry, the film is produced by J.J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci. The script was written by Alex Kurtzman & Robert Orci & Damon Lindelof.
Jeffrey Chernov, David Ellison, Dana Goldberg and Paul Schwake are the executive producers. The director of photography is Dan Mindel, ASC, BSC. The production designer is Scott Chambliss. The film is edited by Maryann Brandon, A.C.E. and Mary Jo Markey, A.C.E. The costume designer is Michael Kaplan. The music is by Michael Giacchino.



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  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    the cast is listed in alphabetical order...

    by Kage

    and therefore doesn't mean shit.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Dammit, JJ, why do you tease my penis so

    by Dharma4


  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I hope..

    by ShogunMaster

    ..that Trekkies hate this one too. 'The reboot wasn't boring as fuck so we hate it!!' That's all I ask..

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    It wasn't 'boring as fuck'

    by donkey_lasher

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    It was brain candy for

    by donkey_lasher

    the High School Musical generation

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    3D post conversion is gonna kill this movie

    by Titus05

    why would they do the post-conversion crap for on a potential future blockbuster?...only crappy movies get converted...shoot native 3D or don't shoot in 3D at all...Cameron told me to tell that to those guys

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    That second to last paragrpah reads like a list of fail

    by AsimovIsFuckingDead

    JarJarAbrams, Orci, Kuntzman and LindenOFF? no doubt, the AICN geekry and its blind masters will declare this thing to be something of greatness. What a load of fuck.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    It wasn't "Brain Candy for the High School Musical Generation"

    by Nuck81

    It was written and filmed in a way that it would appeal and entertain individuals other than 46 year old type 2 diabetics, that live in moms basement, have the blueprints for a Transgender Warp Drive on their walls, and 1:20 scale model of the NCC-!701-J made of legos and lincoln logs on their floor, and three copies of the Excelsior saved on Minecraft. All of the most popular and beloved Star Trek Movies had mass market action and appeal. Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact, and the reboot. Get over it

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by lochkray

    Ahhhh. Alphabetical order. That's why Kirk was listed so far down the list. Shatner never would have let George Takai take top billing.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    star wars fans just jealous star trek is more cool again

    by WickedJacob


  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    I've an idea

    by donkey_lasher

    How about a new generation series that's relevant to modern times? Or actually some intelligent film making. Why didn't Nero warn Romulus of its fate instead of sitting around for 25 years in space? And it's a pretty fucked up world in the future if you can get promoted to second in command by first commiting treason, then stowing away on the same starship. I hate the way that JJ tries to legitimise this film by ass-raping the series. Ironic that the one series that fans hated the most, is given a nod in this film. That kind of made me forgive the rest.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Titus Under your definition then Transformers 3 is a masterpiece

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    since it was shot in 3D! All kidding asside though I agree with you, I love the new Star Trek, but I'm scratching my head about the post conversion, why do it if your going to only do it halfway? It only hurts your eyes. Funny thing is I know a guy who worked on the post 3d conversion of Clash of the Titians and he was actually proud of his work on that eyesore. Boggles the mind.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    His fate rests on Prometheus. The rebooted Star Trek was very enjoyable on its own merits and im a fairly solid Trek fan.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    It was full of nods to the geeky 40-odd year olds. It was a Reboot. A cash-in. Plain and simple. Of course they had to appeal to new fans. The main reason it suck, was because it was dumbed down Trek.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    and i dont get the JJ hate

    by tomdolan04

    Cloverfield and Super 8 were overhyped but thats a result of the media and stupid genre websites than encourage devout fanboyism...cough AICN. However his fails are a hell of a lot more enjoyable then his contemporaries hits and if Abrams is attached to a project then i take an interest. Hacks like Orci being attached though doesnt inspire - hes been attached to far too many turds

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    the best star trek movie

    by mick vance

    was that one where they had those magic laser swords, and there was this one guy who was in this big black suit, and he totally pwned this old man who was boring because he was old.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Just after he earned my forgiveness too!

    by RobinP

    I loathed his take on Star Trek. Maybe it's my age. I was a Star Trek fan before they were called Trekkers and took themselves far too seriously. I'm a Trekkie, damnit. Anyhow, I digress J.J. got back in to my good books with Super 8, how he does this...? Another Trek movie for me to hate him for? You are my mortal enemy henceforth, J.J.Abrams!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by Titus05

    I never said that all movies shot in native 3D were masterpieces...but...all post 3D conversions have sucked...native 3D gives you a much better 3D look...if you're going to make 3D then do it the right way...James Cameron is rolling in his grave

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    It wasn't 'boring as fuck'...

    by Odkin

    It was STUPID as fuck.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    It was a rave. Loud, colorful, fun...

    by 3774

    ...and ultimately vapid and empty afterward. An experience that hyper-stimulated without a trace of any real message or commentary that would give it any lasting meaning. The overall style and nuTrek direction could have been good. But the plotholes and contrived coincidences sink the effort on repeated viewings.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    "3D post conversion is gonna kill this movie"?

    by Dreamwriter

    Sure, some movies it's horrible (Clash of the Titans it was beyond horrible), but in some movies it's great. It especially makes a difference when the movie was filmed with 3D in mind - a good example of that is the recent Captain America movie, filmed in 2D but with the knowledge that it would be converted to 3D, the 3D in it was the best post-conversion I've seen in a full movie.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, noon CST

    Star Trek was good.

    by Fawst

    Really good. It was pretty much the best way to reboot that they could have possibly done. Sure there were plotholes (outside of the deleted scene explaining it, what the fuck were they don't for 20-something years between showing up and waiting for Spock Prime?), but whatever. The setup was fantastic. The execution was great -- aside from the silly "humor" bits, such as Kirk's swolen tongue and the trip through the pipes. I really do hope there's a great play on some classic characters, given the complete redo that universe has taken.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Sweet! This im looking forwrd to. The sub-title should be...

    by Tank Williams

    Star Trek: Revenge of the Lens Flare

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    If you dont like the 3D, then see it flat. Whats the big deal??

    by Tank Williams

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    the new movie will suck nevertheless.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Where does it say anything about post-conversion?

    by iontyre

    All I see is "released in 3D", does not state whether native or post-conversion. Do you have another source?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    You're correct that Cloverfield and Super 8 were the victims of hype, but you're dead wrong if you think JJ Abrams had nothing to do with that hype. From the "secret teasers" and top-secret plots down to the stupid viral ARGs full of dense mythologies and scrambled photographs that had nothing to do with the actual movie, the marketing was specifically designed to incite nearly orgasmic levels of anticipation. I suppose it's the media's fault for choosing to cover the news, but make no mistake, that's exactly how Abrams wanted it to be covered. As for why people hate the guy, well, I *do* get it. I personally think he's done more good than bad and has made pop culture a lot cooler/more geek-friendly, but if you want an insight into how his detractors feel, spend 5 seasons watching Alias and then go look for his TED speech about "the mystery box."

  • a few weeks the site to find them.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by Ribbons is to my eternal regret that I'm familiar enough with "Jar-Jar Abrams" to occasionally get it mixed up with Abrams' actual name. But I guess we should all take heart in the fact that a single nerd on the Internet CAN coin a phrase, as long as they're insane and single-minded of purpose.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Countdown until Orci and Asi appear here.

    by KilliK

  • or a new villain?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Listen to CTM children nobody knows failure like he does FACT!!!!

    by Xiphos_2

    "He" has over 60 years worth of it. That's a long time in the majors. FACT!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    Fair comments all - establishing and pushing yourself in the industry will invariably require shameless self promotion and a playing of expectation. I didn't watch Alias but read about the mystery box malarky. To be honest the whole central conceit of Lost was that on a large scale - a 'mystery'. The trick is to make that work is that you either have to have something <p> A - fucking good in the box or <p> B - make the characters enjoyable and the ride exciting enough to distract you from the feeling there's an 'IOU one maguffin' (or rabbits foot...) note laying in the box <p> Abrams gets B, and I think he's getting better at A - but slowly. He is by no means perfect and does infuriate but he's a clever guy and certainly as you say 'has done more good than harm'. As I say I rather enjoyed the new Star Trek - not perfect by any stretch and there are some legitimate criticisms that get thrown about on these TB's about it. <p> It's just frustrating that for the most part you just get retarded 10 year olds thinking they are being smart being saying 'waaah waah lens flare' over and over. Most film-makers of his generation would have fucked Trek a lot harder, and to be honest I think Nu-Trek is a hell of a lot more respectful and certainly more fun to the franchise than whole series' of Voyager and Enterprise were. <p> I know 'fun' is off limits in certain segments of the Trek circle though, so I best stop.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Why is Abrams writing credit situation the headline of this story?

    by seasider

    I couldn't care less how much Abrams is involved with the script. The making of the movie is underway and let's hope it's good.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Can't wait.

    by bubcus

    I absolutely loved this film. The whole opening that ended with Kirk's birth was brilliant... I've been craving that level of opening since I was four years old and saw Star Wars in the drive-in in 1978 (on a re-release). I'm crossing my fingers that this next film wows me and I am excited to see what J.J. Abrams brings us on this next excursion.

  • I reckon the crew of the Enterprise will for some reason be split up at the start of the movie. Kirk will be with Uhura, and they'll have kind of a romance thing going on, Spock will go meet up with Spock Prime for most of the movie, and Checkov, Sulu and Scotty will be stuck on the Enterprise kind of trapped in space trying to get away from something. It will all lead up to a pretty downbeat cliff-hanger which they will intend to resolve in the third movie. That's my take. Don't rule out the possibility of a return from Nero. He could've easily beamed out of that ship before it was destroyed...

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by Amfpsych

    Is this some sort of performance art or could you really be that much of an asshole. I just have a hard time thinking that someone could be that incredibly hate filled and ignorant at the same time.

  • it's unwatchable. Though flashy and not without its occasional charms, it's just a flat-out really bad movie.

  • This is why his films don't invite repeat viewings. The plot points and character arcs are so mechanized, that there's no subtext. There's nothing under the hood but shiny, finely tuned engine. There is no soul.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    holding out for TV Trek, mainly.

    by Nerfee

    There's been so much impressive TV in the last few years (The Wire, True Blood, Walking Dead, Sopranos etc) Trek TV can aspire to greatness. The writing *can* be magnificent. 'Lost' at its best was terrific, and it's inevitable that those guys will have first option on developing the next iteration of Trek on TV. Time to begin that process, I think.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Super 8 was good but not something worth multiple viewings

    by Titus05

    except for the train crash scene

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    @ amfpsych : It's performance art.

    by 3774

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by paul burnett

    ..that's fuckin funny. I liked the bit where r2d2 fell in the pipe and captain adama freaked when greedo made his tounge swell and luke found out his blood contained minivans so the force can drive to his robot hand...awesome!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    The pay must be good, because I can't figure out

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    why someone of Cumberbatch's quality is slumming in this dung heap?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    @_nerfee_ Agreed.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • Seriously, what's wrong with just having fun with a movie anymore? You people are supposed to be movie enthusiasts?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    creepythinman makes good points

    by IAmTommyWiseau

    No he doesn't. He's as useless and repulsive as the piece of shit this movie will be a sequel to. Utterly inept.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Oh, and didn't production start the 12th?

    by Dharma4


  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by ScreamingPenis

    Star Trek was fun but truly feels kind of retarded on repeat viewings. Maybe make the characters a little bit more interesting and less one dimensional for this.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    What does Bad Robot pay you flacks who pretend

    by Brian Hopper

    Abrams' Star Track wasn't a steaming pile of bantha poodoo?

  • -why were they shipping the alien by train? why were they moving him at all? if he was so dangerous, why was he put in a box car with no security or hi-tech confinement? what was wrong with where he was? -if the old scientist was plotting a course to intercept, why make his stand there and not at any other point of the course on his map? you can argue because that's where he lived, but was that just coincidence that he moved there after being let go, or did he know it was a town along a gov't used train track, and to lay in wait for the chance? -if the alien was so powerful, how did they keep him as long as they did? -a train hitting a pickup truck would not derail at that speed- the truck would have been smashed to bits or knocked to the side. the boxcars would not continue to keep flying and tumbling and shit unless they were all empty. but they weren't. apparently they were all full of explosives and lens flares....but assuming they were empty and light, at some point things STOP or SLOW when they hit things.... unless this train was magical. my girlfriend and i almost stopped watching, wondering when the ridiculousness of the flying boxcars would end. luckily we kept watching because all the kids were great in their roles. lok at the aerial shots of any disasterous train wrecks and derailings of modern times (old locomotives excluded) and you'll see the same thing each time- the first 3 to 5 cars are smashed and derailed and everything behind is just staggered or scattered, but mostly still in line. apologists will just argue that it was alien magic that kept shooting boxcars through the air, i guess.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Kiddie Trek, or JJ Trek, or whatever...

    by Detached

    ... was all flash and no substance, and that was obvious from the start. Can anyone actually say with a straight face that anyone will be talking about that movie in 50 years, the way people talk about TOS nearly 50 years later? If it didn't have the famous name(s) attached to it, it would have been largely forgotten already (let alone decades from now) as just another SF popcorn movie with gargantuan plot holes, etc. The idea that something has to be airheaded crap to draw in audiences is just wrong, but JJ apparently believes it deeply. And so who knows what blather we'll get this time around.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    creepythinman- lucas is both skywalker and darth vader..


    the story is his. at one point he was luke skywalker, and viewed his father as darth and the empire. but he needs to go back and reread his old scripts, because he hasn't realized he has become the empire, the emperor in fact.... we can only hope one of his children grows up and inherits this empire and puts things in the right....

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Starwars is the Muppetts on ice to startrek's washed up Vegas act.

    by UltraTron

    Sick of both. They never get it right. Bring on alien 5.. Er.. Prometheus.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by Titus05

    good points about Super 8...the boxcars flying around was definitely exagerrated but worth it for the reference quality audio demo...also never made sense how the truck could hit a train head on and the driver survive with non-life threatening injuries...also how the truck could only have its front end smashed in

  • FACT!!! But, it's not really a STAR TREK party until Orci and Asi show up.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    true titus- the sounds were handled great


    i mean if boxcars could keep launching and flying and spinning and rocketing from out of nowhere, i imagine that's what it would sound like. ;) but very true, the sounds had me more tense and 'into it' than the ridiculous visual action did, so that says a lot.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ultratron - Beautiful analogy.

    by fustfick

    Perfect, really.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    SOME THINGS REALLY BOTHERING ME ABOUT E.T <p> - How did E.T get the bikes to fly <p> - How did E.T biologically synch his bodies to Elliots <p> - In the school scene, how come when Elliott opened the door and grabbed the girl it was all windy when outside it was otherwise a calm day. <p> HUH. It really took me out of my ability to enjoy a movie about aliens.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Re : nuck81

    by Real Deal

    " It was written and filmed in a way that it would appeal and entertain individuals other than 46 year old type 2 diabetics, that live in moms basement, have the blueprints for a Transgender Warp Drive on their walls, and 1:20 scale model of the NCC-!701-J made of legos and lincoln logs on their floor, and three copies of the Excelsior saved on Minecraft. " One of the best and funniest posts I've read in a long time ( and I'm an older watcher age 58 )! What they did last time was let the air into a franchise that had become a bit musty and needed a fresh coat of paint. I fully believe Roddenberry would have approved as he always was striving to get the newest and most relevent version of his show on the screen ( if they had read any of his interviews or the book he wrote about the show back in the late 60's these nerds would know this ). His wife even said so! To be honest as an avid watcher of all the movies and tv shows during the Berman era the thing had been run into the ground and needed a fresh take. Because of JJ Abrams Star Trek lives! I can't wait!

  • FACT!

  • FACT!!! none of it worked. SAD TRUTH!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    what if creepythinman is actually crispin glover


    i wouldn't doubt it for a second.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Incremental Jar Jar hype updates-R-us.

    by justmyluck

    That's how you do what Hollywood does best : sell tickets for the same old shit.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    From the writers of...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Island, The Legend of Zorro, Mission Impossible 3, Transformers, Star Trek, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and Cowboys and Aliens. I safely predict another piece of shit screenplay in their uninterrupted run of garbage. The best Star Trek was always intelligent and literate, two qualities these bozos will never have.

  • Seriously. There's flaws in every film. There really is. But why does everything turn into a hate it or REALLY hate it around here? Go make your own movie. Go on. Do it. See how easy it is to please everyone that watches it. Then listen to reviewers tear all your hard work apart. Then go to a site like this and read about all the fanboy changes they would have made and how you should kill yourself. Then remember why you wanted to make a movie to begin with. Because you loved seeing things on the screen that were stories. Good or bad, you watched everything. Because you liked the land of action, terror and drama. Then tell everyone else that hates you for even trying something new or even taking the chance on your art to go fuck themselves. Because you at least try to do something you love. And all those people that sit back in front of their computers slurping their Mountain Dew and getting jizz on their keyboards are just lazy self loathing know-it-alls that haven't picked up a camera and tried to make it themselves.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by MooseMalloy

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, an p.s. Star Trek N.G. movies were for old people.

    by DJTripp

    No offense, they had their moments, but they weren't at all for anyone under the age of 18. And while i've liked Star Trek in most of it's iterations at least the *new* Trek has breathed some life into what was meant for 30-60 somethings. At least it kept the feel and ideals of the originals without the slower paced drama fest of TNG movies.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Where The Hell Is Crispin Glover?!

    by MooseMalloy

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by tomdolan04

    If that scene in ET didn't exist and Abrams had thrown in the Speak and Spell Transmitter scene in Super 8, large portions of the internet would shut down under the sheer weight of fanboys of today bemoaning 'its obvious lack of computation and transmitting power, ABRAMS IS A FUCKING HACK WAAAH WAAAH'. <p> Seriously. You know it to be true.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    You can have big ideas and action together

    by In Action Man Reborn Requiem

    see "The Matrix". The problem is Abrahms, Orci, Kurztman et al only have one big idea: WHY DOESN'T DADDY LOVE ME ENOUGH!!!!!! WHY DID YOU GO AWAY DADDY, WITH THAT BLONDE WITH THE BIG TITS WHY, WHYYYYY!!!!!!!!! and they will repeat that idea until they stop getting paid.

  • Then he proceeds to rape his creation.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Eh. Alex Kurtzman & Robert Orci

    by Cruizer Dave

    can go suck a donkey's ass for all I care. Their script was the worst part of Abrams' Trek. It's really too bad they're back.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Name calling?

    by Bob

    "JarJarAbrams, Orci, Kuntzman and LindenOFF?" What? Are ALL you haters 12 year olds? Seriously grow up or shut up. Cheap ad hominem attacks are so fucking childish. Anyway, my only hope this time it that the interior of the Enterprise doesn't look like a brewery this time. Other than that, I look forward to whatever comes.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Like necrophelia

    by GeorgieBoy

    They should leave Star Trek alone!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams strongest suit is casting. super 8, star trek, etc


    but the contents are all recycled feel good fluff. that's okay. fluff movies are ok now and then. but accept it for what it is. maybe i'm wrong. the cast of cloverfield sucked.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    It's not Trek that we grew up with, but it's something.

    by Pixelsmack

    I like something over nothing. I mean, I watch Syfy channels movies for fucksake. Christ I hope I get cancer and die soon.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch is playing a vulcan

    by RedBull_Werewolf

    You can put money on it

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    i thought Cumberbatch was confirmed as Mudd?


  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Boborci Boborci Boborci!

    by Talkbacker with no name

    That's how you summon him, isn't it?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    This entire story and talkback is pointless..

    by notcher

    Any time we get a story about Star Trek for now on you might as well copy and paste the talkbacks from previous ones. "Star Trek sucked." "Star Trek was awesome." "No it wasn't, it was stupid." No one really brings any fresh arguments or anything. It's just opinion vs opinion. I miss the old days of high quality, well thought out discussions. Orci came on here and tried to create that and all he got was "Fuck you Orci you're a fucking fuck you fuck." It was brilliant. I'll judge the movie when it comes out. I'm excited, and for the ones who are always on the "Abrams sucks and so does his Star Trek," then don't fucking see it or you are being the guys you keep condemning for feeding the Abrams' monster by seeing his films. Whatever!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is playing Sybok

    by proevad

    I'm blowing boborci, I should know. Sorry man. Had to spill the beans. That should get his attention.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    Nocher, you know what's pointless?

    by P

    Posting on a talkback that you deem pointless to point out how pointless it is. I've made an argument: that Abram's films are stylish and flashy entertainment that are so mechanized that you can practically hear the gears turning from beat to beat. Guess what else? When I see I film I really dig I talk about that too! Fancy that!

  • With Pete Weller in the Commodore Matthew Decker role and Cumberbatch as some alien overlord villain or sumthin. That episode of the original series features a performance by William Windom as Decker that has to be seen to be believed.

  • Is Abrams on record saying that he will use plots from the TOS? It seems he is just as likely to create some completely new adventure. He did with his first movie.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Also, why the uck-fay isn't Peter David writing this movie?

    by Nerfee

  • Lighten up, nerds. IT WAS A CHEESY 1960s TV SHOW. You can have fun with it. Getting all hot and bothered because J.J. Abrams made a light, entertaining souffle out of Trek is the gold standard of hypernerditude. Consult your Klingon phrasebook for the proper comeback.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Alien is the best fuckin movie ever dudes


    This shit's gonna be the bomb dog. Wait this isn't a Prometheus talkback?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    He is playing a Vulcan and the main antagonist

    by DougMcKenzie

    But not Sybok. It is Stonn.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    interesting fact: shooting on the Sony lot

    by mrgray

    If you take a tour of the Sony lot, keep an eye out. At least one of the soundstages if not more are being used for Trek 2.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Ingeld- because it pleases us to speculate.

    by Nerfee

    What's wrong with wishful thinking?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    If this movie has fucking lens flares,

    by phantomcreeps

    all over the movie, or I hear beforehand, I will not see this film. I scratched my eye slightly, before I saw Star Trek. All Was fine, until those fucking Lens Flares started popping out. Didn't realize they were throughout the whole thing. Fuck you J.J. for laughing about it later, stating, Yeah I guess we went a little overboard on those. You did it on purpose Bitch. Needless to say, It wasn't my favorite Movie Experience ever. Just Thinkin about all those flares, gives me a Headache. Was Super 8 like that?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by Titus05

    it's your fault for scratching your eye before seeing the movie...don't blame JJ...make sure you go in healthy to see Star Tek 2 or Super 8

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    re:dougmckenzie and Nerfee

    by Ingeld

    I called it in a previous talkback. If Abrams is going to redo an old episode, it will be Amok Time. It has the greatest potential for character development as it will pit Kirk against Spock and it will certainly involve McCoy. It will create conflict with Abram's establishment of a relationship between Spock and Uhura. The destruction of Vulcan will play into it as Spock marrying another Vulcan and having children becomes part of his motivation for going through with all. The only thing that will change is that is must occur somewhere other than Vuclan--not a big deal-- that. Cumberbun there will play Stonn, and probably have some other fleshed out role that will involve some other conflict--giving the rest of the crew something t do. You are right, Nerfee, it is fun speculating, but I did not know if there was any foundation for the speculating

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    If this movie doesn't have lens flares fucking everywhere


    I'm going to fucking slit phantomcreeps throat. Yes, that's a threat bitch!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I saw other movies, you dumbfarts!

    by phantomcreeps

    It's when you consistently shine bright lights at people for no reason it bugs your eye anyway. ever had someone shine a flashlight in your eye. Shit I could even handle the spastic trailers, but the lens flares were overboard. Not sure how to take your comment Winona, but if that's what needs to happen, I'll take one for the team and humanity.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Lensflares Galore!!!!!!!

    by Brian

    ....sad thing just got.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . ........coxxed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Good point Moose.

    by phantomcreeps

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    3d lens flares ftw!


    I can't wait!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Lensflare Galore! ?

    by Ingeld

    The stage name of a film nerd/stripper?

  • Bob Orci already stated the engine room will be better. I am positive that there will be less lens flares and shakey-cam as well. I am still concerned about the science facts, though. They should hire someone with a physics degree to check it and not rely on so much. BUT: the last one was near awesome! I bet this one will be more awesome! I'm not half-joking!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Zombie, your genius astonishes me.

    by notcher

    "It's so mechanized you can practically hear the gears turning from one scene to the next." Wow, now that I've read that amazing opinion I hate Star Trek as well. Thanks for proving my point, everyone has been saying that same shit for months and months and months. Nothing new in your statement. And actually pointing out that something is stupid/pointless has been a good thing in our history. My point is until we see the sequel, what's the point of all the people dissecting something they haven't yet seen and then crediting that expected shittiness to the person who is currently still making what they're being ripped for anyway? Hating on the first one and saying "Thus it means the next one will suck" is retarded. Almost all filmmakers in history have made good and bad movies. Like I said, pointless. But I will give you props that you also get your kicks out of commenting on movies you enjoy, at least you have enough sense to enjoy that. Again, WHATEVER!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    For me...I'll wait too see it b4 passing judgement....

    by conspiracy

    The first one wasn't "Trek"...and it was often kinda silly and had plenty of "wtf?" moments...but it was entertaining, and I didn't feel cheated or I did with Transformers 2. So yeah...I'll give them my $13.00, watch it, and then give my opinion.

  • Bob is a sport...I'm sure he'd "Love" my stories...

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    What I meant was, geeky discourse is nothing new

    by P

    Fans nerding out and talking shit is no different than arguing over sports teams. So that's what I meant by it's what we do.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    I loved STAR TREK WARS and I can't wait to see STAR TREK WARS 2 --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- featuring a skinny Mudd and a whole bunch of fat chicks!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    just_some_guy..Better Script and engine room I believe...

    by conspiracy

    Less Shaky Cam...ya right; JJ LOVES the Shaky Cam...this thing will be chocked full of Flares and Shaky Cam...mark my words.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    zombie_fatigue...And we do it Well...

    by conspiracy

    The shit taking in Talkback is the only thing that keeps this place online.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    IF there aren't any lens flares in this movie


    I'm gonna disembowel conspiracy with a straight razor

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    JJ's Star Trek was great sci fi...

    by vezner2007

    but a horrible Star Trek movie. The story wasn't intelligent and was more about a bunch of metro space cadets trying to figure out how to beat that tattoo sporting bald bad guy from the future (who by the way had dumb ass rockets for weapons...yeah, that was a big WTF moment for me in the film). I hate to think about what good ol' JJ has in store for us now. If it has Kahn, I can picture Kirk, instead of going "KAAAhhnnn!", saying "oh be nice!".

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing...

    by vezner2007


  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    LENS FLARES blah blah ABRAMS SUCKS blah blah...

    by John Brown people wouldn't know an original thought if it invaded your brain like those worms from Ceti Alpha V. All someone has to do is mention Abrams' Trek and you trot out the same old complaints. So you didn't like it, congratulations. But guess what? A lot of people did. Anyone know a place on the internet where you can, you know, actually talk about film and stuff?

  • But never fear...I cant see JJ significantly altering the look of Trek given the $385M the first one made...these are not the days to be taking risks in trek, I'd guess, will be much like last Trek.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    -- wnpj: WWCNBD?

    by MooseMalloy

    What Would Christopher Nolan's Batman Do?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Oh I meant "wrpj"

    by MooseMalloy

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    How can a movie be great sci fi, but have an unintelligent story?

    by KnowItAllFromCali

    The new movie will probably suck, but I'll probably plunk down my ten bucks anyway. Meh.

  • I've watched it twice and very little sticks in my mind. For whatever reason, it just doesn't resonate. Anyone else feel that way?

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    FAO JJ Abrams : Do a fucking kick ass zombie film.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Think Dead Snow, Evil Dead and The Crazies and fucking leave Orci & Kurtzman out.

  • Seriously, I want to know, because it seems that Bruce already has a bunch of films in the can, and then Tom and Benedict seem to be the two actors everyone wants to cast in their films nowadays.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch to co-star in The Expendables

    by lv_426

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch will be the next Doctor

    by lv_426

    in Doctor Who

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy to play William Wallace in Braveheart remake

    by lv_426

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Tom Hardy will star in Blade Runner II

    by lv_426

    Mark my words.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Bruce Willis for President, 2016

    by lv_426

  • You got what you want Khan... now give dees peepole aeiyrre!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by p0llk4t

    ...amusing...yes...intelligent...laughable...his favorite movies of 2011 are Thor, X-Men and Captain America...that should tell you everything you need to know about his lame taste and weak opinions ..the only reason he's still around is because Harry finally got tired of banning all his accounts...

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Then, in 2019, get ready for Star Trek: III

    by LeeMajors

    Which picks up immediately after the exciting cliff-hanger of part II.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I hope they record the audio in MONO

    by Mace Tofu

    and post-convert it into stereo. It is just too hard to shoot a film in stereo these days.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by proevad

    I'm hoping for Jon Hamm--but I can see Hardy in the raincoat too.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Transformers Revenge of the fallen is on tv

    by TheNipplesofGodReturns

    Star Trek is the Godfather compared to this

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:50 a.m. CST

    =JJ's Star Trek was great sci fi...=

    by KilliK


  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch will play a lens flare!

    by lv_426

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST

    4 years between new trek.great

    by simonnumbernine

    we used to get a hit of this every week.wheres my fucking TV show

  • swell.

  • This thread is officially dead.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST

    re: boborci

    by Dollar Bird

    Wasn't it revealed that the "boborci" on the talkbacks was just an impostor? Also, here's everything I remember about the Star Trek: I liked Bones. Kid Spock was teased in a big, black bowl. Kid Spock's mom was Winona Ryder (pussy juice not seen, if it was included) Planets blew up. Khan-lite villain. Snow monster. Falling. Spock kissed Uhura in the elevator. Reading some of these talkbacks is bringing more to my mind, like Kirk's sudden fat-hand disease. I honestly don't remember the lens flares, but was disappointed that the interior to the Enterprise looked like an Apple Store. And a brewery. But really, that movie wasn't something I walked away from thinking, "I gotta see that again!" Perhaps I won't see the sequel, unless the story looks good. I am getting fickle in my old age.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 6:38 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST


    by IAmTommyWiseau

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Seeing as Star Trek was a remake of Wrath of Khan

    by jinste

    will the sequel be a remake of The Search for Spock?If so you can bet JJ will use his amazing brain to give it a twist and call it The Search for Pike or something

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    dollar bird

    by proevad

    I think he's the real deal. It's been confirmed that he is by at least one administrator. There are still people who doubt, but I'm not one of them. Plus, the film just went into production and he's not here. Neither is Asimovlives and it's been rumored that he a biggy too (maybe JJ himself?). So, idk. I like both of them either way. Cool posters--both of 'em.

  • This is my favorite Trek movie. It was the one where they destroy all existence because bones jumps through the time gate while cracked out of his mind on hypo-spray. Now that they've remastered them in hd when you project em 200 inches they really pop. I was punching at kirk's massive face and it was just like fighting a giant Kirk face. Just as great as you might imagine flailing wildly at a massive Kirk face might be.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    That skydiving scene was silly. It made no sense.

    by mistergreen

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I agree about attack the block-

    by UltraTron

    If anyone who starred in that film gets near me-i'll straight up kill them.

  • And talking about the good old days, drinking lemonade. Then some kid rides up on a scooter. Kid: hey check out my new scooter. It's got these bells and whistles and goes really fast. Ain't it cool? Old geek: fuck no it's not cool. It sucks and so do you. In my day we rode unicycles. Ain't that cool? Kid: fuck no that's corny as fuck and so are you. Scooter >unicycle. Fact. Pwned. Kid rides off. Old geek to another: what did he just say? Old geek 2: who knows.. Anyway, back to robocop...

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    JarJar Abrams!! Get It!!

    by NathanGrey

    Its suppose to be funny! Come on guys!! I am brilliant!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    The world wants to know....

    by wash

    ...will KEENSER be back? I freakin' love me some KEENSER.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Whoever draws the short straw gets the "writing" credit.

    by kabong

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    new star wreck film

    by Hellotherecomputers

    Well a least he cannot fuck this one up as much as the first one.......can he. I really hope we have more time travel, more only ship in the sector, more everyone leaves the bridge, more budweiser factory engine room. what I do not want is a good script, big space battles, good actors etc. Hmmmmm maybe he good rape Babylon 5 for us as well. USA USA USA

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    proevad...Asi is not Abrams...or anyone else but Asimov

    by conspiracy

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives dead at 16 from Cheetoh Overdose

    by NathanGrey

    Shit, you can die from that?

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    @ Ultratron & Zombie Fatigue...

    by 3774

    Those gave me some serious giggle-fits. Well done...

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Ultratron can beat up a Black British teenager?

    by MooseMalloy

    Not bloody likely! You've been around fake-ass Hollywood types too long asshole.

  • You just brought back some bad memories of me taking my (now) wife to see that pile of crap MORVERN CALLER in a goddamn theater! Jesus, that movie was torture. Every once in a while I still shudder at the sight of the soundtrack CD. But WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KEVIN is great. It's not everyday we get a brilliant horror film masquerading as an Oscar contender. You should totally see it.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Not This Shit Again

    by streetbrother

    Orci Kurtzam Jar Jar and the rest ,You're Fired! ......and the rest of whatever creepythinman said

  • on these forums too. But under which aliases? (no pun intended).

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    But I do agree that ATTACK THE BLOCK was "shite"

    by MooseMalloy

    If they had all eventually been killed off by the aliens then it would have worked.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Bobori =

    by streetbrother


  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by Rob Hill

    And that sound you just heard is a few hundred geeks stopping for a second as the implications that OTHER Hollywood people interact with their fanbase (and detractors) anonymously through this site. Unfortunately, the next thought that will enter the minds of the drunken, angry masses is: LET THE WITCH HUNT BEGIN. Gotta shake my head and try not to cry. This used to be a place you went to to talk about ENJOYING film. Now it's like 4chan with a Hannibal Lector mask. Sigh.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    -- vonotar: Thanks for the 10+ year old newsflash

    by MooseMalloy

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    optimusbob ...I'm sure there are a few industry folks in here...

    by conspiracy

    but Asimov isn't one of them; if he is by some odd chance he/she is the greatest method poster of our time...a true master of becoming a Character...right down to speaking Portuguese and working on European time. lol

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    WHere have all the other Freaks gone by the way???

    by conspiracy

    Place is a ghost town lately...even the hardcore aren't here...JettL, Asimov, etc... Without the just isn't the same.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by Rob Hill

    Which part? :p Some things bear repeating every so often, lest they be forgotten while the ocean of cynicism and hyperbole and hatred rages toward that perfect storm of nerd rage...

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    vonotar --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- can I assume you're new around here? I've been coming to this site since '98. Yeah, Hollywood types visit this site and sometimes post.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    jj's trek was indeed fun but retarded . . .

    by Rob Jenson

    . . . at least as far as the science goes . . . and the plot. And its version of Kirk really bothers me. Kirk is not a whiny little boy. Even when he was that age, I see him as more of a confident young career military guy. That said, I enjoyed it, but even as I was watching it Kirk bothered me and the science made me roll my eyes, frequently. As did meeting Spock on the ice planet and . . . well, much of the rest of it, really. However, I'm a big JJ fan (love LOST) and am hoping for the best. Now fhat they've got the characters and situation established, they can get on with telling good Star Trek tales.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by Rob Hill

    Actually started reading the site when I was in high school, 13+ years ago. Only really started interacting on the boards a year or so ago, though.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by streetbrother

    All though, I would like to see a fresh 2013 take on the lens flare.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Gay Spock

    by streetbrother

    No offense to the G/L/Bi/Tdger crowd Butt, wtf is that shit?

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Do people here like any movie?

    by dzpen

    Seriously, they hate everything! There are no movies they are excited about!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Maybe Its Time To Move On : Everybodys Gone

    by streetbrother

    Somewhere in Switzerland in the spring of 2008 The ultimate expression of Mankind was unleashed. The Result: Lens Flares

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I Get Excited About Movies......

    by streetbrother

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Just Good Ones that hollywood does'nt make anymore

    by streetbrother

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I'm excited about this movie, actually . . .

    by Rob Jenson

    . . . but also wary of feeling, like I did last time, that it was a "real" star trek movie. That is, although it maintained characters and settings from the series, the tone was gone. The personality. I'm more excited about The Hobbit and Prometheus. I'm even curious, if doubtful, of Red Tails.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I usually find creepythinman annoying.

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    But his capsule reviews of this year's critically praised films were pretty fucking funny. Kudos.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    stop whining about "hatin' "

    by Detached

    Give me a break. If a movie has a bad script, it deserves criticism. Period. And that script was horrible. I have no problem with rebooting the timeline, in fact, I think it may be the best solution in order to restart the franchise. And btw, I've known since 1996 (yes, 1996) that eventually TOS would be rebooted with new actors, and I've never had a problem with that either. The issue with Kiddie Trek, or JJ Trek or whatever, is mainly the crap script, full of plot holes, bad characterizations, and so on. The list of problems with that script is long. As for complaining about "do people here like ANY movie?" I have to admit, I've wondered that a few times myself. But as for me, that's certainly not the case. I've really liked, even loved, plenty of movies in the last several years, and long before that. And I have no problem with praising them. But by the same token, if something doesn't cut it, I don't see any reason why posters here (or people anywhere else) can't say it.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    Also starring Lens Flare as itself

    by thound3

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Creepy Thin Man Brotha!

    by streetbrother

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Say Yo Thang

    by streetbrother

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Like most movies these days... the sky-diving scene

    by Autodidact

    Was okay... the FIRST time they used it. But then after they disable the drill they have ANOTHER sky-diving scene with no parachutes. Everything in ST 2009 is like that... nerdily desperate to please. Thirty years after Trading Places, almost every comedy I see now does the same thing with the inane improv bits shoved into almost every scene. Even though I enjoy most Judd Apatow movies despite myself... the one thing I consistently hate is all the goddamn improvisational shit where they jump cut between people trying to imitate Eddie Murphy/Robin Williams/Jim Carrey who themselves used to misfire about 75% of the GD time with that shit.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    A letter to Boborci

    by hulkiest

    Mr. Orci, You seem like an intelligent person who has a passion for Star Trek. And I think it is commendable that you sometimes join in talkbacks to face and endure the typically harsh ad hominum attacks. The fact that you do it with reasonably good humor speaks volumes of about your professionalism. However, I am one of the long time Star Trek fans who was not pleased with the 2009 film that you co-wrote and produced. I think the biggest problem I have with the film aside from a completely under-motivated villain is that there was a shocking disregard for the chain of command. I'd venture to say that neither you or your colleagues have served or in the military. There are so many instances of "That just wouldn't happen!" it wasn't even funny. Your film displays a complete disregard for basic protocol and etiquette. Forget military, basic organizational protocol wasn't followed. Kirk, a student on suspension gets promoted to first officer then gets promoted to Captain when he was in the command by complete random chance, having neither the rank or the reason for earning it. You don't even explain Pike's thinking, which in reality would've been examined and cross-examined by a review board despite Kirk's acts of heroism. Then, there are countless instances of Kirk or McCoy questioning Spock, their superior, in front of the rest of the crew. That would be enough to warrant whatever demotion. To say nothing of the "Tell me something I don't know." or 'You bet your ass, Captain!" lines. And the big smooch in front of everybody. ) Yes, Gene Roddenberry in later years, was somewhat against Star Trek being a paramilitary show. But that doesn't change the fact that Star Trek always worked best when using the US Navy as its paradigm. Re-watch Balance of Terror, The Corbomite Maneuver and Wrath of Khan for that example at its best. When I was 14, my mind abuzz with all things Trek, I attempted to write and draw my own Star Trek comic. And it was all phaser fights and lines stolen from the show and movies and had no soul. It wasn't about anything. In my 20's, so fed up with TNG's bland proselytising, I started to rewrite Star Trek and again hit the same wall of "doesn't feel like Star Trek." And I think whether it was because I hadn't served in the military or just hadn't read enough classical literature, I couldn't bring what the other great Star Trek writers brought to the table. When I hit that point I said, "I may love Star Trek, but that doesn't mean I should write it." I think your script suffers from that quality. You didn't quite get the recipe right. (I realize it made 200 million and you likely made a fortune off of the merchandising. IMHO it still doesn't work as a Star Trek story, no matter how hard I've tried to like it) However, that doesn't mean you're an asshole or an idiot or all the usual hateful nerd hyperbole. You did accomplish something the TNG films never could, you made the film look like a film and it was visually more exciting and buoyant than the usual "TV shows on the big screen" that even the Shatner films suffered from. And, by and large, the cast was good. (Though I really think you totally missed the mark with Spock. Zachary Quinto looks right but seems like an angry brat. Could be his fault, could be the lines you gave him, but when he and Nimoy come face to face, they hardly seem like one could grow into the other.) My point in all this, if you are really passionate about Star Trek, why be so exclusive about your team writing it? Why not go to Harve Bennett or DC Fontana as consultants? I don't quite understand the politics in Hollywood (and I work in the business myself) but if I was given the keys to the Kingdom by Paramount, the first thing I would do would be to seek out Mr. Bennett, who was responsible for three of the best films and get his thoughts on the matter. He doesn't represent the "old" thinking that was causing diminishing returns at the b.o. Star Trek was sagging because the TNG cast and creatives were uninspired and didn't work on the big screen. You reignited Trek, you can be proud of that. Just give it some wisdom. Kirk out.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST

    =you made the film look like a film=

    by KilliK

    You mean they made ST look like SW by spending all the big budget on action scenes and VFX.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Filming today??? ABOUT. DANG. TIME.

    by Dogmatic

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by proevad

    There was an entire subplot that provided motivation for the villain in JJ Trek. It was cut of course by the studio. I believe it was actually filmed though.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Copying the original SW film was a lame idea

    by MajorFrontbum

    As if it isn't already over-used in popular culture and parodied by nearly every man and his dog, JJ fucking Abrams felt the need, to turn Star Trek into a Star Wars tribute - way to fucking go pin head!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    JJ and Alex never post.

    by Boborci

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    The BEAUTY of JJTrek...

    by AbramsPRIME "Star Trek" has FINALLY moved beyond the reach/opinion (despite the angry internet raging that affects nothing and changes no one's minds in the "real world") of the Pathetic/Uber "continuity" obsessed loser Trekkies that have hung around the franchise's neck like an albatross and prevented it from gaining new "non Loser" fans. For all your preaching about IDIC, you OldTrekkies are sure inflexible and not open to "new ideas". The "I just want more of the same" is what eventually kills long running's what (temporarily) killed Doctor Who (speaking of another franchise that has old school, new paradigm hating "crankyoldfans" vs "newWho" fans). "Old School Trekkie" who hates NuTrek? Then STOP WATCHING/WHINING. Go rewatch your 500 plus hours of OldTrek. Paramount is quite happy (thank you very much) with how the NUTrek franchise is doing without you mouthbreathing cosplaying losers. Classic Star Wars Fans Hate hate hate the prequels but still have the original trilogy (well most of it since GL keeps "updating" them). Doesns't mean the prequels and "Clone Wars" cartoon aren't "successful" for Lucasfilm. SW fandom is now "2 camps" (Original recipe and Prequelgeeks), which tends to be a "generational/age"thing (older types prefer Original, kids raised on the prequels/"Clone Wars" prefer "NuWars"). So it will be the same with Trekkiegeek fandom. Cranky old folk ShatTrek AARPFans and younger hipper (and yes you can say more "vacuous") fans who prefer JJ Trek (and may never have watched a previous ST due to the Stigma of the zealot losergeek, nerd "get a life" Trekkies of the past). Any franchise that spans multiple decades is going to have a schism between "new" and "old" fans as the franchise changes/reboots to keep up with the times and stay relevant to younger potential new fans (just look at the Bond franchise for another example). Get over it.

  • a similar vein to: JJ and Alex never wanna go for a beer after work, OR JJ and Alex never want to play a game of "Who's-touching-you-now?" in the hot-tub.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I can't help but feel some personal resentment on your post above. Speaking for myself, i do not like JJ Abrams' Star Trek movie because it's new, or a reboot. I don't like it because it's not a good movie. Because the script and story is mediocre and poorly though out. And this is coming from a person who loves and prefers the reboot/new series of Doctor Who and Battlestar Galactica over the older ones. And add to that the Batman movies, where i far prefer the new ones made by Christopher Nolan Nolan over the older ones by Tim Burton and Joel Schummaker. And i love the new Sherlock TV series based on Arthur Conan Doyle's works but that has not diminished my love for the older series starring Jeremy Brett as Serlock Holmes. So, as far i'm concerned, this is not an issue of generations but simply of the quality of the movies themselves. A reboot of Star Trek is something that sooner or later it would happen. Inevitable. I even welcome that. I have been hoping for one such since the first time such an idea was first published in the trading news, back in the early/mid 90s (with John Cusack as Spock, no less). It was an ideai always wanted to see realised. But the way JJ Abrams and his filmmaker companions did it, i feel, felll quite short of the mark. Yes, their movie made mucho bucks. But it's not unheard of that a mediocre movie has been commercial sucessful and popular to the masses (or even with critics). In fact, such happens every year. Time is the great judge, in the end, and only in the future we will see if Abrams' Star Trek movie will be held as something of a classic in the same way many of the older Star Trek movies and TV shows are today. My opinion is that no, Abrams ST movie will not be a future classic, it's a fashion of the moment that will be regarded as a curious interation of the long live franchise but will fade away from public consciousness. And that's because the movie is so desperatly made to be attractive to the fashion of a time and the specific audiences of today that it's doomed to be dated quite soon. Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughs with us.

  • Seriously! I actually really enjoyed the movie. I thought parts of it were a bit silly, but that added to the charm. It was slick, well made Hollywood entertainment with great visual effects and a likeable cast. And I left wanting more. I had a kind of familiarity with Star Trek already, and owned the previous ten movies on DVD, but the movie got me curious. Really curious. If I saw an old episode was going to be on TV I'd watch it. That was thanks to JJA's movie. Last year, I relented. I bought all three seasons of the original series on DVD and then bought all seven series of ST:TNG. At Christmas my wife got me all seven series of ST:DS9 and my Mum got me all seven series of ST:V. It's my birthday next month, and I've asked my Mum to get me all four series of ST:E. I've watched all of the original series and TNG and have just started series 5 of DS9. I'm really enjoying it, and it's really inspiring me to write stuff of my own. Also, my little girl watched a lot of TOS and TNG with me and all the movies, and she is pretty well versed in Trek lore for a almost 6 year old. All this is thanks to me seeing J.J Abrams Trek movie, and I think that's possibly the highest compliment anyone could pay it. Haters are gonna hate. It's inevitable. But I don't understand what there actually is to hate about it. For me it opened the door to a new world of sci-fi entertainment. I'm able to perfectly reconcile one with the other with little problems. To the haters I say this: "Star Trek has moved on, changed with the times and got itself to a point where it can exist again as part of the entertainment fabric of our pop culture. Either change with it and enjoy it, or stop moaning about it."

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Your post about the misuse and misunderstanding in the depiction of the chain of command in JJ Abrams' Star Trek was spot on. I was never in the military (i was put on the national reserve) but my father was a military, and in the navy no less. Which has helped me get a good understanding and some insight to the military and their chain of command. As such, i concur with you that the way the chain of command was portaited in Abrams' movie was a disgrace. It's quite obvious the filmmakers know next to nothing about the most basic military modus operandi. They didn't even need to read a book of ordinance or military protocol, they could just had learned some good lessons just by watching the original Star Trek show. In the original show there's no mistake that the person who created the show and wrote for it either served in the military or knew how they operate quite well. It shows. Not so in the latest movie. The way the federation was portaited in Abrams' Star Trek looked like it was some mega space version of high school, with the higher eschelon officers acting more gym or football coaches then professional military officers. Kirk's own progessions in the movie was made more out of good will from his superiors then from what would be deemed reasonable conduct. The Federationin Abrams' movie acted like the french army before the French Revolution, where social class and the personal interest from the superior officers was more important then merit.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It made you into a NuTrekkie, then. Trekkies for the people who became fans because of the older stuff, and NuTrekkes for the people who became fan because of the newest movie.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Orci and Kurtzman the worst part of Abrams' Trek?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yeah. I agree. And let me go you one further. Orci and Kurtzman are the worst part of EXISTENCE. I count them worse than death, the fucking plague, genital warts, and shit that gets stuck in your teeth COMBINED. Without a doubt, they are the actual worst people in the world. Especially Orci.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Re: Orci and his shitty writing

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I, too, was dismayed by the ATROCIOUS writing of Star Drek. But we all have bad days and, so, I was willing to give Boob Orci another chance. I did so with a little movie called "Cowboys & Aliens." "Cowboys & Aliens" proved that Boob and Kuntzman can't fucking write for shit. That movie was horrible. And I loves me some Westerns and some genre mixing. More power to both of 'em, still getting shit produced and all (Fuck! Boob must be able to suck the Jew off of J. J.'s dick!), but I won't be wasting another fucking cent on any shit that has their names on it.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    What do you call the Jewish foreskin ceremony for a baby? A bris.

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    What do you call the Jewish foreskin ceremony for a grown Jew? An Orci.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Thanks, chickenstu!

    by Boborci

  • But they sure can make a movie viewing experience feel terrible and a complete waste of my time and money. That can feel like a small-scale personal apocalypse to me, coinsidering how much i love cinema and watching good movie. The fact i wasn't born rich and have to work for a living means I don't live a life of idleness in material welth where i can freely spend my time and money carelessly. If i pay to watch a movie, i want to feel my money i just payed justified. None of the movies that Orci and Kurtzman have been involved, as writers or producers, managed to make me feel my theater ticket money justified.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    LOL! Well, then, I win, Asi!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    He who loathes most, loathes best!

  • is it you i come to if i want that two hours of my life back?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Cowboys & Aliens is an anoying unsatisfying movie. Quel suprise!

    by AsimovLives

    The writing was on the wall. Cortesy of Orci and Company.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    All that having been said, Bob Orci is a prince and a stand-up guy

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Anybody who comes on here and takes the abuse that he does can't be all bad. I'm sure he probably wipes the tears out of his eyes with hundred dollar bills that he keeps in a tissue box beside his bed. No, I'm sure Orci is actually a pretty cool dude, person-to-person. It's just a crying fucking shame that he can't write for shit.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    And there is actually some good stuff in that movie

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Including the "falling/beaming" sequence above. Pretty fucking good. And I love the cast. Thought they all were great. It's just so fucking sad that they do shit like the Spock-Uhura thing, Enterprise being built on earth, Scotty's sidekick, a Vulcan moon (?!?!?) not registering the explosion of Vulcan, Old Spock fucking hanging out in a cave for no apparent reason, a bad guy who conveniently appears and disappears as needed by the writers, a bad guy who wants revenge on Spock for the destruction of Romulus but who conveniently just sets the old dude aside for the actual destruction, the stupid pipe-traveling thing in engineering, engineering itself, the turbolift, etc. I understand the fun that was there in Star Drek. I really do. But it just gets fucking overshadowed by the lameness so often that it's hard to keep smiling.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Oh! And I forgot!

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Mad props will always go to that movie (despite what a shit Star Trek movie it was) for giving me a bikini (or underwear)-clad, green-skinned Rachel Nichols. Fuck. Me. Hubba-hubba!

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    the bicycle sharer: of Orci and Star Trek Nu

    by AsimovLives

    While the new Star Trek movie was energetic and full of fast paced action, truly the most fast paced Star trek movie ever made, i found that for each good thing it did was compensated for 3 or 4 bad things. And the good things were not enough, in quantity or quality, to overlook the bad. I have seen many in here doing just that. But i can't. It's just not me. I can't overlook the movie's problems just for some quest to find an easy entertaiment. If i want to do that, i pop some of my favorite movies on the DVD player and rewatch them. I certainly am not going to justify a movie i find plagued with problems for the sake of entertaiment. I cannot say what kind of a person Roberto Orci is from the posts by the talkbacker who calls himself boborci. I know his professional work, of which i'm not a fan. But from the stuff from the boborci talkbacker i can't judge Orci the man, because frankly i'm not entirely convinced he is the real Orci. Many talkbackers here have pointed out he's the real guy. Others have offered convincing arguments he's not, just an imposter posting on a lark, perhaps. I'm not fully convinced either way, which means, while it's possible that an holywood insider could post in here, it's also as believable, if not more so, that somebody else just likes to post about prtending to be a celebrity for whatever personal reasons (possibly just for the hell of it). So, what kind of a person is Orci? I can't tell. I'm not going to take my clues from the talkbacker called boborci. I once bought to the ntion he was the real deal, now i'm not so certain. I rather play cautious and close to my chest.

  • then you say 'I had a kind of familiarity with Star Trek already, and owned the previous ten movies on DVD.' Really? So you owned ALL the previous Star Trek movies -- including stuff like Nemesis and Insurrection that even a die-hard Trek fan like myself doesn't own -- yet you were somehow not a 'Trekkie'? Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.

  • enjoy the way he licked your ass crack when he said 'Thanks, chickenstu'?

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    not to play the devil's advocate, but while i don't consider myself a trekkie by any stretch of the imagination, i do own DVDs of some of the classic TOS Star Trek (except 4 and 5)movies and of the TOS TV show. Don't have DVDs of the other ST shows or movies. i can like and enjoy Star Trek without being a trekkie. you would never convince me to dress up as ST character like a klingon, not even as a federation officer for that matter. If i'm a ST fan, i must be an atypical one because i think STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE is one of the top best if not the best of the ST movies and i get a shitload of a kick out of it, love every second of it. Is it plausible that our chickenstu comrad finally got deeply into ST because of the Abreams's movie? I think it is. It might have stired in him a curiosity that until then he hadn't about Star Trek to know more besides the TOS movies. It's not hard to believe, as far i'm concerned. i just wished he had found a much more meritous entry movie for the Star Trek saga then Abram's. Star Trek deserves to be known by the unsuspecting public from better stuff then that.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I saw ST4:TVH in the theaters as a young kid...

    by Chief Joseph

    and ever since then I saw all the others in the theater, usually on opening night. JJ Trek is the first one I ever skipped. I ended up Netflixing it and was glad I skipped it. I'll be skipping the next one too, and I'm not even sure I'll even bother Netflixing it. Yes Trek had gotten stale. Yes, the Next Gen movies sucked too. There's still no excuse for something this dumb. I'm surprised no one has called out the stereotypical "Asians all use swords to fight with, even in the fuckin' future" scene in the film. The only time Sulu ever a sword was when a disease had driven him mad, and even then it was a fencing rapier, not some cheesy sci-fi katana.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    @asi I get your point, but there's a sort of illogic to

    by Brian Hopper

    claiming not to have been a fan of something when you own 10 separate iterations of it, and then magically becoming a fan on the 11th iteration.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    seen that way, it really doesn't make that much sense, does it? but since when the fans of abrams' star trek are driven by logic? their reasons are emotional. you should cut him some slack, in view of that. he might be telling the truth. when you do not follow logic, the most unlikely outcomes can be true.

  • remember that episode of CURB OUR ENTHUSIASM where Larry buys 400 bottles of an yogurt h3 didn't even particulary liked much, just because it has some silly discount? many geeks buys shotload of movies for no good reason, even beyond resonable interest. the guy could had just bought the ST packs without caring much for the show because they were a "good bargain". Some people just can't refuse a good bargain even for stuff they don't particulary care much. it's quite a common phenomenum found in heavily consumerist societies. and the average geek is a compulsive consumer, pratically a testbook example.

  • because they knew I liked Star Wars and thought it was similair. Story isn't fake. Oh btw, you're a fucking troll and would love to see if you'd be that cocky to someone's face. But I doubt it. Why the hell I'm defending myself to a troll like you I don't know...

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    LOL 'would love to see if you'd be that cocky to someone's face'

    by Brian Hopper

    And I'd love to see you say 'you fairy' to someone's face, particularly mine. And end up flat on your ass. Apparently, AICN basement dwellers are all intimidating he-men in real life. Dude, I get it. You got ten Star Trek movies as a gift. Fine. As I don't think much of Abrams' Crap Trek, you'll forgive me for having a hard time believing the ten previous Star Trek movies wouldn't make someone a Trekkie but Abrams' steaming shitpile would.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    it's not right to call somebody a troll just because you disagree with him. i have a hard time tolerating that. there's other words in the english language that far better describe somebody you have a disagreement with. and it's very weird to have Abrams' Star Trek movie as the entry point into the franchise. His movie is hardly the most emblematic and examplary example of what Star Trek can be at it's best. but if by watchijg the other movies and the TV show make you realise what a good show it is, and what a smart show it can be, then i guess any starting point is a good thing, even if it's from on ethe weakest things ever made with the name Star trek attached to it. perhaps as you get more familiar with Star Trek you will finally understand why so many people derise Abrams' movie for the shallow empty vessel bad Star Trek movie it is.

  • both made completly for the specific juvenile audiences of today, both flashy MTV-aestetics type endevours with little to no substance to themselves other then just being unassuming simple unambitious entertaiment supported by a giant PR machine. NuStarTrek is the Star Trek for the Justin Bieber generation. that's pratically the whole major point the NuTrek fans use in it's support, that it's the Star Trek for the new generation. From the horse's own mouth indeed!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by ChickenStu

    I had a pop culture knowledge of Star Trek growing up. Even though I was never a "Trekkie" as such, I'd still seen episodes, watched TNG fairly regularly and had seen all the films. But I was more into "Star Wars". When I got the movies, I actually genuinly did think it was a nice present and watched the movies with great interest. However, I didn't feel the need to rush out and buy every episode. I was happy with just the movies for a time. It wasn't just seeing Abrams movie that made me take more of a passing interest than I already had, I also became aware of a more profound effect that the franchise had on society than I'd first realised. I write, and some of the stuff I write is science fiction. I wanted to own the complete franchise as much for research purposes than just purely to be entertained. To date, I've picked up some pretty nice ideas. If I'm a NuTrekkie, then fine. I'm a NuTrekkie. I can live with that. Star Trek 2009 didn't make me discover Star Trek. It made me RE-discover it. Does that suit you more? Can we drop this silly conversation now?

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Like you, i only used to know Star Trek as a cultural phenomenum, without any deep knowledge of it beyond that. I was well aware and always enjoyed the TOS movies, particulary the unjustly maligned STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE. Thlough i saw some ocasional episodes of the TOS show in my very youth in the late 70s on TV (and in black and white, no less!), it was with ST:TMP that i truly gort my first glimpse and understanding that ST can and was more then just a bunch of space adventures with an alien of the week. ST could be more, which the movies themselves helped me understand. But wjhat truly made me like ST was when i finally got the oportunity to watch the complete TOS series, all of the 3 seasons. That was what made me a fan. not a trekkie, but a fan of the show in that i gained a respect to it that i hadn't before. Respect and admiration. So, my point is, my admiration from ST cames from watching the original show. And not the bloody parody that Abrams made. You can end this discussion whenever you want.

  • Cause if we are... wow.

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Won't see it in 3D

    by Kremzeek

    Looking forward to it, but no 3D. What the hell is the point? The first 10 Star Treks were just fine without it. No need for it here either. Really wish 3D would die (though I know it's unlikely this time around... I can still wish). C'mon, Abrams. Push back on this. We know it's the studio requesting it. Have some balls and say No. Ah well. Still looking forward to seeing it on a regular screen, and glad it's finally moving forward!

  • Jan. 18, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Sorry... 11 Treks...

    by Kremzeek