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Herc’s Friday TV Talkback!! Tonight Brings The First FRINGE Since November!! Herman Cain Visits BILL MAHER!! Plus TIM, CHUCK, CLONE WARS, NIKITA, SUPERNATURAL, GOLD RUSH, GIFTED MAN And More!!

I am – Hercules!!

Tonight’s “Fringe” was originally supposed to air back in November, but that was before it was squeezed into 2012 by the seventh game of the World Series. Expect cliffhangers! Fox says:

Olivia and Lincoln take drastic measures to deal with the looming threat from the translucent shapeshifters, while helping Peter find his way home. Something “over there” occurs that hasn’t happened since the universes were linked at the end of last season.

I’ve been going though “Real Time” withdrawal. Bill Maher’s live HBO show fills the vacuum Jon Stewart leaves on Fridays. But unlike Stewart, Maher is willing to call our great land “a stupid fucking country.” Roundtable guests on tonight’s 10th season premiere are director Rob Reiner, congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) and former Bush W. Bush speechwriter David Frum; former presidential candidate Herman Cain and documentary filmmaker Alexandra Pelosi are interview guests.

 

Returning tonight:
Fringe (Fox)
Grimm (NBC)
Kitchen Nightmares (Fox)
Real Time With Bill Maher (HBO)
Sweet Home Alabama (CMT)

Premiering tonight:

Blade Anime (G4) Marvel’s vampire-hunting vampire gets his own animated TV show.

Last Friday a children’s cable show called “The Wizards of Waverly Place” beat everything on the broadcast channels in the adults 18-49 demographic:

Fridays, Nov. 18, 2011-Jan. 6, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; previous weeks in parentheses)
2.5 (1.5) (---) (---) (0.4) (1.3) (0.9) (---) College Football
1.9 (1.0) (1.5) (2.1) (1.8) (1.9) (1.7) (1.5) Gold Rush
1.9 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) Wizards of Waverly Place
1.8 (0.9) (1.1) (1.0) (1.1) (1.6) (1.1) (2.0) Blue Bloods
1.8 (1.2) (1.0) (0.9) (---) (1.4) (0.9) (1.7) CSI NY
1.5 (---) (---) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (---) (1.3) Extreme MHE
1.5 (1.0) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (1.3) (---) (1.3) A Gifted Man
1.4 (1.2) (0.8) (1.3) (1.7) (1.0) (---) (1.6) Dateline
1.3 (---) (1.0) (0.9) (1.3) (1.3) (1.2) (1.4) 20/20
1.2 (---) (---) (---) (0.5) (---) (---) (0.6) Jessie
--- (1.1) (0.8) (---) (1.0) (---) (---) (1.4) Kitchen Nightmares
0.9 (0.8) (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) (---) (---) (0.9) Chuck
0.8 (0.8) (0.7) (0.8) (0.6) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) Flying Wild Alaska
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NBA Basketball
0.8 (---) (---) (0.3) (0.4) (0.7) (---) (0.7) Supernatural
0.8 (---) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (0.6) (0.9) (0.9) WWE Smackdown
0.7 (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.8) (1.1) (0.6) House of Payne
0.7 (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) (---) (0.5) Kung Fu Panda
0.6 (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (---) (0.5) Diners, Drive-Ins
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) Fish Hooks
0.6 (0.6) (0.8) (1.5) (1.6) (---) (---) (1.6) Grimm
0.6 (---) (---) (0.3) (0.3) (0.5) (---) (0.6) Nikita
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) Real Housewives Atl
0.5 (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (0.8) (---) (---) Austin & Ally
0.5 (---) (---) (---) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) Fashion Police
0.5 (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Four Weddings
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) Clone Wars
--- (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (---) (---) (1.1) Fringe
0.4 (---) (0.6) (0.4) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) Invention USA
0.4 (0.4) (---) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) Say Yes To The Dress
0.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.4) (---) (0.4) Crave

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  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to Bill Maher tonight

    by Michael Lunney

    With Herman Sugar Daddy Cain, it should be more fun than usual! And of course, Fringe, one of my faves. Great night of TV viewing awaits!!

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    FIST!

    by Michael Lunney

    Moo.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    2nd Half of Fringe Season...

    by monkey_tamer

    Thank God Fringe is back! This show always seems to bring it in the second half of their seasons. I know tons of people bitch that early season episodes are too slow, have too many monster-of-the-week stories, etc. However, after watching most of the seasons on DVD, I realize it is BECAUSE the use the first half of the season to set stuff up that the second half rocks as much as it does. Looking forward to (what most likely will be) the final episodes of the series. Just hope Fox shows enough respect for the fans that they tell the show runners soon that they aren't coming back so we can get a proper wrap-up for the series.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    re: "Tonight’s “Fringe”... "

    by jim

    Too long since I've read those words. Too, too long.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Bill Maher!!!

    by Judge Briggs

    Love this quote from him: “Trying to get today’s Republican to accept basic facts is like trying to get your dog to take a pill. You have to give them the truth wrapped in a piece of baloney, hold their snouts shut, and stroke their throats. And then, just when you think they’ve swallowed it, they spit it out.” Funny because it's true...!

  • Thanks to baseball pre-emptions and winter hiatus, it's been two months since the last time "Fringe" (Fridays, 9 p.m. EST on Fox) aired in our universe. Given its knockout of a midseason finale (literally -- Nina Sharp and her Massive Dynamic lackeys gassed Olivia into unconsciousness and dosed her with Cortexiphan at the episode's climax), fans are understandably anxious to see what happens next. I've seen this Friday's episode, titled "Back To Where You've Never Been," (which just so happens to be the episode that was filming when I visited the set last October) and I'm happy to report that it's one of the strongest of the season to date. You'll get a clearer idea of how Peter intends to return to "his" Olivia, new alliances will form, and in true "Fringe" fashion, there will be plenty of twists to keep you on the edge of your seat from beginning to end. The last five minutes, in particular, are not to be missed. To whet your appetite, above is an exclusive preview clip from the episode that sheds a little light on Peter's cunning plan. And if that isn't enough "Fringe" goodness for you, executive producers Jeff Pinkner and Joel Wyman gave more details in a wide-ranging phone interview earlier this week. Besides the revelations in this week's episode, the pair talked about the season's overall arc and weighed in on Fox president Kevin Reilly's ominous proclamation at the network's Television Critics Association press day that "we lose a lot of money on the show" -- prompting many fans to wonder if cancellation isn't far behind. On Sunday, Kevin Reilly managed to cause a panic among fans by pointing out that the show isn't making Fox any money and that it's once again in danger of cancellation -- what was your reaction to that? Joel Wyman: I mean, it's funny -- if you remember, ever since we moved from Tuesday nights, people have been saying that we're gone, but here we are. We've consistently said that the network has been transparent with us always. We have no reason to believe that we're not in the same game that anybody else is in in the world of television. You've got to get numbers; you've got to do a certain number; how much does it cost to make the show? The question becomes, "Is there a way to make 'Fringe' that makes financial sense?" Jeff and I are both producers that always and have always rolled up our sleeves in order to be financially responsible. You never know. The most important thing is the following: We're not changing our plan, nor have we ever. We know where we're going every season. We believe that the most important thing to our fans is to leave them satiated and to make them feel like there's an ending that they can wrap their minds and hearts around and say, "I love that ending. I totally understand. I feel like I've watched an incredible saga and it's come to a natural conclusion that I believe in." That's our main goal. At the end of each season, fortunately for us, we've always closed a chapter and opened up a new one. We have ideas where we would go if there was a fifth season and a sixth season and a seventh season. There's plenty of story to be told. The question is, can we close a chapter and allow it to be a finale that lets everybody in their hearts go on and say, "I can imagine where it would have gone, but yet, I feel strangely satisfied." That's what we feel we have right now. We're not going to change anything. We're going to tell the story that we've been telling since the beginning. We feel that if we were the viewers and we were presented with an ending like what we have, that we would be very satisfied. I know that you guys have always said that you've got six to eight seasons' worth of material planned out, but that you've always had an ending in mind, which is a lot more reassuring than some shows that kind of draw things out without really knowing where they're going. JW: Yeah, since the beginning we've been setting the table for an ending that thematically makes sense, that puts the whole thing into context, re-contextualizes what you've seen, and makes you feel okay. It makes you feel like, "I love these people. I've given them so many years of my life and I really feel like everything is where it should be." That was our major plan this year in designing the season. So, if we're lucky enough to get something new, I mean there's plenty of direction that we've already discussed ... We have some things that are really far out and really fun and intriguing, compelling, but if we don't get the chance, like I said, our main concern was our hardcore fans. Kevin Reilly told fans that he couldn't bear for them to start a letter-writing campaign, but I've heard from a lot of fans asking what they can do to help the show. Do you have any suggestions? JP: The truth is, to a degree, as Joel said, there's some horse trading involved. Some people were shocked by the announcement; the good news is, we were not. To a certain degree, Warner Brothers produces the show for Fox; there's a license fee involved. That is always up for negotiation every year. It's what the studios and the networks do, they haggle over who's going to pay for the show and how much. Then, as Joel said, it's our job to produce the show for the budget that we're given or that we're asked to produce the show for. As far as what can fans do ... the only real way to affect this decision is to watch the show live. We recognize that many people sort of program their own week and watch all television on DVR, so we're certainly not in the business of begging our fans to save the show by watching live. But that's always the thing the fans can do. The good news is, even in Kevin's statement, creatively they're thrilled with the show. We're not in a situation where the network or the studio are asking us to go in one direction and we're kicking and screaming and refusing and this is about creative differences. It's not at all. We've had, as Joel said, the same degree of support at the network and the studio since we began ... We're so entirely grateful. At the end of the day, it's a business decision. I think that what our fans can do is not freak out, feel secure in the knowledge that we're very, very happy with the story we're telling. We're not freaking out and if things change, we'll let them know. JW: Have you ever met anybody with Nielsen box? I have not. Never, actually. I've often suspected they might be a myth. JW: Yeah, and we know lots of people, combined, I'm sure. So, if they exist ... [Laughs] No, we know they exist. But here's the thing, in our opinion, it's an antiquated way. I wish that there was a better way, because you know our [demo] number goes up to 1.9 on DVR, which is really good for Friday night. For a while there, I think that we commended the Twitter-verse and our Fringedom fandom that they were sort of writing letters or contacting the sponsors and advertisers directly and saying, "Look, I watch DVR. I don't have a Nielsen box, but you have tremendous taste because you're advertising on 'Fringe' and that allows me to want to buy your product." I think if I was somebody in that division in sales, I'd say, "You guys are pretty devoted." I mean, that's great. Does the network hear that? Not really. The truth is, I just wish there was a way in DVR that people could say this is a new way of counting an audience. [Editor's note: On Jan. 11, a report was released that only one-third of audiences are watching TV in real-time in the U.S. The majority are watching either via Internet or DVR.] JP: But I think what we're very happy and pleased about continues to be the degree of creative support that we get. We make a very adventurous television show, which all things being equal would likely not be on a network. And yet, we are and they stuck with it at every twist and turn -- at two universes, at Olivia being captured and replaced by Bolivia, at Peter disappearing and then returning at The Observer. We consider ourselves so amazingly fortunate to be able to tell the kind of insane storytelling that we do, always grounded in emotion, which is sort of why we're on a network. We just look at each other and our staff and our production team and our actors ... We have an astounding group of people who are doing work that makes us really happy. None of us have any intention of ending it soon. Now that Peter exists again, he's becoming more and more convinced that he's in the wrong place or timeline, and that there must be a way for him to get back to "his" Olivia and Walter. Can you confirm that his instincts are correct and that getting back is an attainable goal at this point? JP: Well, Peter obviously has returned to a timeline where none of the characters know him because in the timeline that he has returned to, he died at age eight ... twice. So, as far as he's concerned, he's Dorothy -- sorry for the sex change -- who has awoken into Oz and he's trying desperately to find his way back home. Certainly, that's his goal. As we say and as we've said, one of the major thematics of this season is sort of like the effect that your life has had on other people. So, we're meeting a version of the characters that we've known, that Peter knew, unaffected by his adult presence. It's been really interesting to us to explore how his being there, being with them, affects them. JW: When we first decided that the storyline was going to be where Peter would disappear as a consequence to what he had done, we knew very well what the thematic elements were that we wanted to investigate this year, and what we were trying to say together as artists about the way we see the world right now. We're really, really interested in the concept that life is valued by the connections that you make and the impact you have on others and what impact do they have on us: How do they make us better people? How do we make other people better for knowing us? We just think that's really something worthy of writing about. So, as the season progresses, you're going to really start to see and understand many more aspects and facets of that thematic direction. Everybody made such a huge deal when Peter disappeared, either they loved it or they hated it -- but there was a reason. Now, I guess you'll understand and comprehend the reasons why we did it. Jeff and I were actually shocked that people would think for a second that we would have one of those sequences where, poof, the character is gone and everything that you knew about our characters and everything that you learned didn't really happen or is gone. We would be terribly frustrated if we came across that, being fans of television ourselves. So we would never in a million years do that. What we were really trying to do is have the audience really understand that all this stuff really did happen -- "I'm with Peter and I'm in his shoes; I want him to be able to experience what he's lost. I want to get back there and I want those relationships. I know that he belongs with Olivia. I want him back with Olivia -- I don't know how, but he's got to find his way back." That's what we had always intended, so we were a bit shocked when people thought, "They just erased a couple of years of character history." It's not true. That's not what our intention was, nor is it where we're going. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/12/season-4-fringe-back-to-where-youve-never-been_n_1201422.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    TV Wasteland

    by TheBringerOfRain

    The only thing of interest on tonight is the news. I mean that if anyone watches anything that is on Friday night has below normal level intelligence, IQs hovering around single digits. There is not one quality show on. Fringe...for idiots. Clone Wars is like every other Star Wars rip-off, Bill Maher speaks pretty, but he is dumb. I feel sorry for all of you people who have no lives and nothing better to do than sit around and rot your brains watching the drivel that networks force down your throats. I will spend my time (after watching Nova on my VCR) whacking it to a picture of the Goddess Lana Lang from Smallville. Just trying to save some time for i_love_lanalang, the cocksucker. For me, I am very excited for Fringe to return, it has been too long. I am hoping it starts back with a strong episode.

  • shouldnt they...i dunno...be trying to PROSECUTE Cain for all those accusations?? oh yea, hes out of the race so their alleged abuses and sexual encounters no longer matter. a clear example of progressive racism ignored by the MSM, yet again. BTW- mcgoo, i gave u an example of Olebermann Distortion in the other tb.. so, why dont u run along to the other tb and dismiss that fact as irrelevant mmmk? hurry up now...

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    thebringerofrain

    by Michael Lunney

    Anyone with half a brain can see you are spot on with your mocking - thank you for taking over the reigns from me so I didn't have to.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Fringe fans

    by Michael Lunney

    WE all know the show is doomed to cancellation - but at least it was a fun ride that lasted longer than many other fine shows. Let's hope we get a mind blowing season wrapup to the most intelligent science fiction show on the air right now.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by Michael Lunney

    Lots of prattle- nothing to say- As expected. Oh and if Sugar Daddy was innocent of those claims, he would be doing the prosecuting, instead of bowing out of a race for sexual improprieties. Cain was never a serious contender. WE all know that, on both sides. I will always respect you right to be wrong.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Those poor women

    by Mace Tofu

    tossed to the curb by the media. Cain riding his bus around doing TV shows and $6 Million richer.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    When is Maul going to be on Clone Wars?

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    And how the fuck are they bringing him back?

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    klytus, probably some vergence in the force kind of b.s.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'd prefer a "what if" story, than some b.s.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Yay! More Maher Obama bashing!

    by TopHat

    "He isn't more like Shaft!" Breathtaking.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    tophat

    by Michael Lunney

    I voted for Obama. No reason to not call him on his bullshit moves. He's made some positive accomplishments, but not everthing he does is praiseworthy. Dems are not slaves to their monkey king, like the mindless were to W., eh?

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Blade

    by kdoc13

    Is this like those other Marvel anime shows (Black Panther on BET, Wolverine and Iron Man on G4) that have one minute of decent action, and then the rest of the show is just them looking pensive and talking to people? I've been burnt by Marvel on the Anime thing one too many times already. I think I'm going to pass.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    kdoc13

    by Michael Lunney

    Didn't you see the just completed 12 part X-men anime series that ran on G4? I have X-Men from the first issue, and this series was a real winner. Intimate AND epic, with the entire world almost being destroyed, by Professor Xavier's mutant son!!! It is one of the best animated comic book stories I have ever seen, and I think I have seen them all... Seek it out and be blown away, my friend...

  • Possible spoilers of tonights episode: http://www.tvline.com/2012/01/fringe-season-4-episode-8-preview/ Matt Webb Mitovich This Friday at 9/8c, Fox’s Fringe resumes its fourth season with our Peter Bishop more determined than ever to return “home” to his timeline, yet not able to avail himself of Walter’s genius-level problem-solving skills. Thus, he resorts to seeking counsel from “Walternate” – but to do so, Olivia and Lincoln will need to sneak our boy across to the other side, where more than a few surprises await. TVLine invited executive producers Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman to preview the thrilling winter premiere. TVLINE | When “Back To Where You’ve Never Been” wound up not being the fall finale, due to the baseball playoffs, were you tempted to tinker with the edit on this episode or the previous one…? JEFF PINKNER | Actually, no. We know that baseball is mutable – it either goes to six games or it doesn’t – and we’re mindful of that. Given that, we built Episode 7 to function with what we felt was its own pretty awesome cliffhanger, the reveal of Nina and what she’s doing to Olivia. And [Episodes] 8 and 9 were designed as a two-parter which we knew could either frustrate people but hold them over the break, or else play in back-to-back weeks. J.H. WYMAN | Most of the episodes going forward now have a hooky pull at the end. TVLINE | Set the stage for this episode. What is Peter’s plan and who all will get involved in it? PINKNER | Peter has been frustrated. Walter has been refusing to help him get back to his home, his timeline, and he realizes that there’s another person in these universes who’s equally as brilliant — Walternate. Of course, Peter has his own personal attitudes about what a not-nice guy Walternate is, but despite that he’s going to put his own feelings aside to ask for help. He convinces Olivia and Lincoln to take him to the other universe, and upon arriving there he finds out that many of the things he is assuming about this timeline are not, in fact, true. TVLINE | What is Walternate’s reaction to seeing his son? WYMAN | It’s interesting, because it’s changed…. Walternate doesn’t have the same bitterness. He’s sort of allowed to feel a little more, so he’s a very different version of what we’ve seen. TVLINE | One thing I really liked is that Peter gets an assist in this venture from his mother. PINKNER | One of the things that we’ve always found so fascinating about the alt universe is the relationship that Walternate has with Peter’s mother, and not only is Orla [Brady] a spectacular actress, but we pride ourselves on the fact that our show is a series of strong woman — from Olivia to Astrid to Nina to Elizabeth. And clearly, in the alt universe, as Joel alluded, Elizabeth enabled Walternate to heal after the loss of their child. So yes, she unexpectedly provides Peter with the help that he had been looking for – and hopefully in a way that’s both emotionally satisfying and unexpected. WYMAN | This ties into our [Season 4] theme just right, the theme of how we impact others. The fact that there was a better relationship between her and her husband impacted [Walternate]. Matt’s Inside Line: Fringe‘s Joshua Jackson Previews Peter’s Meeting With Walternate TVLINE | Would you say that this episode is most active we’ve seen our Lincoln Lee? WYMAN | [Chuckles] He is pretty active here, yeah. There are some entertaining things coming up. TVLINE | Is this the first time we’ll get wind that someone else might be involved in this season’s big threat? PINKNER | For sure. The episodes up until now have sort of laid the groundwork for the introduction of our big bad of the season, and we’re incredibly fortunate to work with one of our favorite actors again, someone who has had a presence on the show before. But as with many things this season, we’re presenting a fractal of the world we visited before, so our bad guy is someone we’ve met before but because Peter didn’t exist in this world, we meet him in a different context. He hasn’t gone through the same consequences as when we met him before. TVLINE | Olivia has a meeting with an Observer in this episode. What do you want to say about the nature of that encounter? WYMAN | [To Pinkner] Jeff, what can we say…? We don’t want to give anything away…. [Pauses to think] We can say that the meeting between Olivia and the Observer will definitely alter the course of what you’re going to see and what is to come. TVLINE | There is one recurring knock against this season…. What would you like to say to the fans who feel they have “lost time” with the characters they know and love? That outside of Peter, in this timeline we’re kind of watching a bunch of posers? WYMAN | Jeff and I are huge fans of television, and the biggest thing that stuns us is that our fans are actually thinking that we would pull the old, “Nothing you knew is true!” We would never do that. There is a very specific reason why we’re doing this story right now, and why we took this turn that we did. Traditionally, what goes on with our show is that fans may have an opinion about something, like, “Oh, why did you do that?!” — but then they realize, “Oh yeah, OK, I get it.” Hopefully they’ll feel the same way now, now that things are starting to come to fruition and things are starting to happen a bit more. TVLINE | But isn’t Peter the only character going through any development that will stick? WYMAN | If way back when, you got some scoop that Peter was going to have an affair and be involved in a love triangle, and you didn’t know about Olivia and Fauxlivia, you would never have imagined that there’d be two versions of Olivia. That’s why Fringe is great, because you can take a very traditional thing and do something extraordinary with it. It’s the same with this. Peter’s journey and finding out how he feels, what he’s doing, is really important to us. When we first went over to the other side, don’t forget, a lot of people said, “Oh, I don’t want to know about those characters. They’re not our characters.” And fortunately, people came around to like them and actually feel invested and compelled by them. PINKNER | And at the same time, I think that the [complaint's] premise is slightly faulty, the idea that our characters are not going to change. Peter has been in their lives now for three episodes that have aired, and he’s going to be in their life certainly for some amount of time longer, and one of the things that we’re most interested in is how he is affecting them, how he is changing them. Walter’s been refusing to acknowledge him, both out of emotional reasons and also because of Walter’s own mental instability, but that’s not to say that’s not going to change. And Olivia is also dealing with this person who in another timeline is love with her, while she’s somebody who has sort of empty heart when we met her this season. TVLINE | I loved that early-season scene where she was like, “I meant something to you, didn’t I?” PINKNER | Exactly. Exactly. So I think that viewers who were concerned that Peter is the only one who will change need not be concerned. Fox Boss Offers Renewal Updates on House, Fringe, Terra Nova and More! TVLINE | Do you have your season finale in mind yet? WYMAN | Yep, absolutely. We always start with a good idea of where we want to go, and we have something that we know we love, and we hope the fans will love it, too. It is one of the biggest season finales that we’ve attempted. TVLINE | Josh Jackson and I recently had some fun with how you guys like to use the word “recontextualize” a lot. Josh did a whole riff on it. PINKNER | We mainly just recontextualize Josh! We love people to kind of have to work at it – “Ah, now I understand things slightly differently.” TVLINE | But do you have any ways left to recontextualize this narrative? WYMAN | Oh yeah. We definitely have a big one coming up. This show has so many doors, an embarrassment of riches, really – “Which door is the most compelling to open?” is often a question Jeff and I ask. We look at each other and say, “Well, we could go left or we could go right….” TVLINE | Of course, we’d love the ratings to be stronger. When do you need to know if this is in fact the last season? If this is it, do you have a special exit plan? PINKNER |The answer to that question is the same every year. If, worst case scenario, this is the last aired season of Fringe – and as we’ve said before, there are other outlets where we can continue to tell our stories, be they graphic novels or webisodes, whatever it may be – we know what the end of the season is going to be and it can function as a series finale. As could have last season. Had Peter, who is sort of the lynchpin for the reason the show exists, been the one to sacrifice himself heroically and nobly to save the two universes and the woman he loved, it would have been a very authentic ending.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    poor mcgoo...so lost in his progressive mindset...

    by jay2517

    sorry, but it doesnt work that way. he isnt the one who is making apparently BASELESS accusations and WHY should someone who claims innocence HAVE to defend himself? he says he didnt do it so he doesnt have to prove a thing. the burden lies on the accusers. and as we have seen, they took their lies and went home with there job of eliminating a BLACK conservative done. hes NOT the one doing the accusing ya know. u have never really been any good at this, have u? BTW- concerning ur cowardice in the other tb... when did actual FACTS become "prattle"?

  • i say 100%. he is a hollywood progressive on HBO after all...

  • You might be asking yourself, "Hmm, just why is Friday so special?" Ha! I think most of us know the answer to that question, and it most definitely DOES NOT have anything to do with a craptastic show called 'Fringe'. Nor does it have anything to do with mind-numbingly awful shows such as Chuck, Nikita, Gold Rush, Kitchen Nightmares, Maher, or Grimm. What continues to amaze is that Supernatural has had a rather poor season in terms of quality episodes, yet it obviously is the best scripted show on television. How the heck does that happen? Stunning.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by Michael Lunney

    Your prattle remains fact free. If Cain were innocent of the allegations, and he was a man of determination and principle, he would still be running for the Presidency. Like Sara P., a lousy quitter. Should be lots of fun with Bill tonight. 999 this motherfuckers of the world. You are quite the silly little man. No more time for your thoughtless nonsense. You made your string of accustations against Olbermann, still haven't backed them up, so enjoy the taste of your feet in your mouth. I don't have time to play cowboys and Indians with such a humorless drooler as you.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by Michael Lunney

    When psycho lana lang shows up here, you might want to engage him/it. He's about your speed. You both have nothing to say, so you should have fun saying it to each other in an endless loop of inanity. Have fun!!!!

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Two of my darlings took a nose dive in recent years

    by David Cloverfield

    Dexter became a parody and Supernatural is just sad now. I think they have the right idea in the uk with the "Here's eight episodes, fuck you." method. I still watch them, but its like visiting a hospital. Dexter smears shit on the walls in the mental ward, while Supernatural slowly dies of old age and rots away in unchanged sheets.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    for fans of vintage Japanese horror

    by Michael Lunney

    HAUSU (House) I have not seen this, but I am most certainly going to record it -- on tonight on TCM 2am. From a rave review on IMDB: In the hands of experimental Japanese filmmaker Nobuhiko Obayashi, the tale of seven "unmarried" young high-school girls who, during a school break, travel to a spooky, remote hilltop house to visit the reclusive, mysterious Aunt of one of their fold only to be consumed one at a time by the Ghost-House/Aunt in increasingly novel ways, is escalated into a spastic, phantasmagorical confetti burst of avant-garde techniques and tonalities. Not a minute goes by without some kind of imaginative and spirited experimental visual manipulation or interjection; from kaleidoscopic color schemes, to frame and time altering collage montage, to wild, high-concept mixed media integration (animation, mattes, props, sets, etc), to mini-movie injections (lovingly parodying/mimicking everything from silent film stylistics, to romantic fantasies to obligatory action scenes). Any and all workings of the film form are here incorporatedly warped; from imagery and editing to music and sound to content and presentation. Even the sketches of characters and their respective performances by the actors are hemmed in time with the overall off-the-wall configuration. (Example: Each girl is intentionally drawn with their stock personalities (the musician, the over-weight eater, the athlete, etc) novelly paraded in gleeful iconic irreverence.) The moods and tones of the film are equally melodic in their own discordant tangential way; seamlessly walking the line between comedy, horror and the deadpan aloof. It all adds up to a whole lot of fun. Where else could you see a girl eaten by a piano, an upright Bear helping cook dinner at a roadside noodle-stand or a man turned into a pile of bananas because he doesn't like melons!? With all its packed in candy-colored confections and novel door prizes, "Hausu" is a cinematic surprise party all in one...just add you.

  • because if u could u WOULD. but, alas, u cannot. its typical of an Olbermann fan. spout off about how awesome he is and when confronted with the truth, sticks their fingers in their ears and shouts "i cant hear u, la la la". i mean, seriously, ive seen u post novels on here when u "debate" someone of the opposite political persuasion. but, NONE in response of my facts. funny, isnt it? i told u he lies all the time. u asked me for proof and i provided TWO examples. i told u he distorts the facts to suit his narrative. u asked me for proof and i provided a shinning example. if these facts are easily refutable, why dont u simply DO IT. apparently u cant because (as a typical Olbermann "fan") u know what i post are FACTS. so, u run away as ALL Olbermann "fans" do and dismiss the irrefutable facts as "thoughtless nonsense". for a "silly man" i sure do have u for a loss of words and thats something u dont ever see on here coward...

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Jay2517

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Clearly, you're a partisan shill and incapable of understanding Cain's settlements or the fact that his wife was caught unawares by the last woman who stepped forward. And if you thought that any of Cain's "denials" or statements were worthy of a "defense" against the accusations, then I bet you have a copy of his book already shoved up your ass alongside your fatuous head. Being a lock-step conservative is one thing. But being one just to rage populist and slander "progressives" and the MSM makes you look like an unthinking twat.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    FUCK. YOU. FOX.

    by Cheif Brody

    Fringe was fucking awesome tonight! This show knows exactly when to zig when you're expecting a zag like no other show on TV. <p> Fuck Fox for abandoning this great show in a death slot...in favor of saving a stupid dinosaur show that no one cares about! Put Terra Nowhere on Fridays and save Fringe by moving it to Mondays...or Tuesdays....Or Wednesdays!! Fuck...put it on all three nights!! <p> If Fringe isn't allowed to wrap up this story with some dignity and grace...I would applaud the US Marines who would piss all over the dead Fox execs that continue to kill this show. <p> Fringe is the best sci-fi on TV. Period. <p> Ok...you guys can get back to your pointless political circle jerk.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Why do people even interact with jay2517 anymore?

    by Jaka

    Haven't all of you been around long enough to know better at this point?

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    nope. not partisan in the least. im a realist...

    by jay2517

    so, lets use ur wonderful logic then, gaius. u think any of the "accusations" or smears are worthy of a case (if so, i hope u never make any woman upset OR ur automatically guilty...by ur logic)? it sure doesnt seem like it cause, all of a sudden, NO ONE is pursuing them. kinda ironic it would seem. but, not to a progressive shill such as urself, apparently. BTW- i dont have any of his books and what would that indicate anyway? that i actually research the person and u dont? u progressives on here never cease to amaze with ur wonderful "logic"...

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Fringe was awesome tonight.

    by cookylamoo

    But I still don't believe they had to give us five weeks of "Mad Scientist of the Week"

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Maul wasn't human so..

    by Charger

    I'm not expert on fake alien biology, but Maul not being human may have something to do with him not being dead.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Jay2517

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You ever heard of a financial settlement? Or a legally binding confidentiality agreement? Do you know anything about the incidents and the individuals involved? Because it sure as fuck sounds like you know jack shit. So much for your grand notions of "logic" of which you've displayed very, very little. I'm actually shocked that you don't have a copy of Cain's book. That's why he was really on the presidential trail - to sell books. I mean, did you get a gander at his super-duper campaign organization?! Oh hey, and did you know that he'd also like to be the nation's next Secretary of Defense? Yep. Let's just say that I'm a realist, too. And you're full of spiteful, partisan bullshit. Your defense of that farce speaks volumns about your ability to perceive and understand a great many things. Come back when you actually have something legitimate to say.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Folks, do NOT watch Hausu. It's a massive waste of time.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    I have seen it, or at least most of it (couldn't make it all the way through that mess), and it could only appeal to someone who has extremely poor taste and a lack of understanding when it comes to quality cinema. It's simply awful. You can thank me later for warning you about that trash. Stay away from such inveterate 'recommendations'.

  • Jan. 13, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Jaka

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Forgive me.

  • "You ever heard of a financial settlement? Or a legally binding confidentiality agreement? Do you know anything about the incidents and the individuals involved?" i sure do. the question is...DO U? BTW- no defense of any farce, i just speak the truth, try it sometime...

  • get over it, brotha! it happens all the time with me. ur not the first to lose a debate with me and be bitter. time heals all wounds, little man... hey (((JAKA)))!!!

  • man, i never thought id see the day Maher spoke ANY type of fact...

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Wow. Well, like I said, you're clearly full of shit.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And you continue to demonstrate that you don't understand what you're talking about. But that's not a surprise considering the partisan hackery that you've put on display. Keep spouting nothingisms; it's cute. And I like how you keep calling me a, "progressive". It's funny because during my tenure at AICN, I've been called everything from a libtard, neocon, conservapuke, to a libertarian and socialist pinko commie. Oh, so many names!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    The fact that you've never seen Maher criticize "brainwashed liberals"...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...further shows how you don't know a lot about things you rant about. Yet another display of your partisan idiocy.

  • ••• ZING!!! •••

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST

    I agree with Brody Fringe was awesome tonight!

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    Man I loved Smallville on Fridays, but this is Sooooooo much better. But I agree with CB that Fox needs to move it around. Luckly the so so dinosaur show is being replaced for 2 months with Alcatraz which is another JJ show. They should move Fringe to Monday nights and make it JJ Abrams night. But I guess that will only work for 2 months though since in March Alcatraz will be replaced with I believe its called Touch? Great stuff tonight, I kind of figured out that Walternate was good early on since the previews revealed the David Robert Jones return. Thats interesting though, Brandonate and Alt-Broyles were replaced with Shapeshifters!?!!?!?!?! Also I always love Orla Brady's performance (Walter's wife). It was great to see the happy family again in Peter's dream also. It should be interesting seeing what Jones is up to and how he survived. Probably revenge on Peter. Plus September being shot (I'm assuming by the other Observers for not erasing Peter?) and his warning about Olivia's death, I wonder if its the guy from the animated episode which Olivia stated that was the man that was going to kill her? Although this is a different Olivia. Great stuff I have faith in Reilly, he acted like he like the show and the showrunners seem to have faith in him in the interviews that I've read.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Fuck yeah Supernatural.

    by Volllllume3

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    jay2517/i_love_lanalang

    by Michael Lunney

    this talkback's class clowns- they have no validity - nothing to say - birds of a feather

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I love supernatural

    by Volllllume3

    I hate i_love_lanalang i_love_lanalang loves supernatural This has me confused...

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    volllllume3

    by Michael Lunney

    What you are feeling is normal - everyone hates i_love_lanalang. r .

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    The Best Episode Of Fringe In A Long Time!

    by Real Deal

    I really loved the latest episode! Some people seem to not have been paying attention on home the shows season formula works. At the end of the season there's a new situation that puts our chararcters into a new obstacle to overcome. This year it's Peter. Would this be permanent? Don't be stupid! Now that we're halfway through the season things are in solution mode. I loved the plot of last nights episode and the inclusion of one of their best villians ( that we haven't seen in a long time and another villian in a recent movie ) in the end! Things are heating up again and FOX would be super stupid ( and live with the same legacy as Firefly again ) if they didn't let this play out. Once it started playing I realized how long it's been and how much I missed Walter and the other characters. I love this show!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    And this episode of Fringe was supposed to be the last of 2011

    by room23storeblogspotcom

    But got pushed to this year because of Baseball playoffs.

  • thats all u lovely progressives have in here when confronted with facts. u two never addressed the facts i have made in my posts. u know why? because u cant refute them. its pretty simple. gaius- "And you continue to demonstrate that you don't understand what you're talking about." care to actually explain HOW (besides ur opinion, of course)? evidence, please. "Keep spouting nothingisms; it's cute." i didnt know facts where considered "nothingisms". "The fact that you've never seen Maher criticize "brainwashed liberals"..." i just pointed out his obvious Freudian slip. "Why would you be watching Maher anyway?! Shouldn't you be worshipping at the altar of Hannity?" i watch ALL the networks. MSNBC and the cable access channel Current the most. besides, what does Hannity have to do with the misogynistic bigot that is Bill Maher? u progressives really do love to deflect. and lastly, the progressive shill that is mcgoo...saying i have "nothing to say" means "i cant debate the facts with u" in progressive speak. if u cant handle the facts mcgoo, dont debate. but, thats never stopped u before...

  • Yes, the episode was considerably better, had dialogue that I wouldn't put in the "retarded" category, and told an engaging story. But it's not a story I give a shit about. I still don't understand who exactly these people we're watching are supposed to be. Are they the characters we grew to love throughout three seasons living in an existence where Peter (both of them) simply died? If so, then where does our Peter think he is going to "get back to"? It makes no sense. That implies that these people aren't the characters we've grown to love at all, only with that one important difference. These people are actually the 3rd and 4th universe versions of these people. (What I'm saying is that he's "going back" to the universes of seasons 1-3, our "real" universe plus the alternate one, which means these two universes we're are watching now are yet again completely separate iterations of the world, the 3rd and 4th versions of our reality we've seen) which is just terrible, terrible storytelling. If these are still our universes, just that the observers made it so peter died in both and life went on, then there is nowhere for peter to "get back to" and his missions makes no sense to me, which makes me hate the show. If its the other, convoluted mess of a theory I just threw out, where there are 4 universes now, and he's going back to the one he came from, then the novelty of alternate universes has worn off, having four is too much, I don't give a shit about any of these people at all, and it's bizarre that they are still "opposite worlds" of one another, but separate from the two realities we've been getting to know over three seasons. That is terrible storytelling, makes no sense, and makes me hate it. Does anyone follow what I'm saying at all? is anyone else downright confused as to who exactly these versions of Olivia, Walter, Walternate, etc are? If they are the same people, just without Peter ever existing....then what is Peter trying to "go back to"? Something that doesn't exist? Why did this show ruin itself so hard? I just want it to end, because I've completely lost the plot, and to be honest, I'm terrific at keeping track of dense mythology and serialized stories. But I have no idea whats going on here anymore.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Uh...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...you continue to toss around the word "progressive", you have failed to provide any "facts" or an explanation to your "logic" on the Cain affair, and you completely (perhaps willfully) misunderstood my statement about Maher. If this is the best you've got, then you truly are a sad sight. Quote: "i watch ALL the networks. MSNBC and the cable access chanel Current the most." Really? I don't watch any of them. So, I'm not impressed. Try harder. * Remember this tip: the first letter of the first word in a sentence is always CAPITALIZED.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Fox totally spoiled the big suprise in the credits

    by In Action Man Reborn Requiem

    There is was Jared Harris right in the first five minutes. If your big shock twist is the return of David Robert Jones don't put the name of the actor who plays him in the opening credits. Idiots.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Re : crow3711

    by Real Deal

    " But it's not a story I give a shit about " You don't give a shit about ************* Spoiler alert if you haven't seen the episode : THE RETURN OF DAVID ROBERT JONES! The best Fringe villan ever back from the grave! If you don't know who he is I guess you haven't watched the show very long ( since season 1 ). Also played by Jarred Harris who played Moriarty in the recent Sherlock Holmes movie. Here's a little info : http://fringepedia.net/wiki/David_Robert_Jones Jesus!

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Re : iamanreborn

    by Real Deal

    I hate to point this out but he was in the last 5 min of this episode! So how did they spoil anything? Weren't you watching? I gave a " Wow! " when I saw this. I've been waiting for his return as Jarred Harris's role as David Robert Jones was so good in the first season I couldn't see them not useing him again.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Rob Reiner makes liberals look bad.

    by mjgtexas

    Ruthless Reviews once had a deft article called "Fuck Liberal Vaginas" and Reiner is exhibit A of this liberalism strain: a fat rich hypocrite who makes mountains out of molehills. Being the architect of taxing mostly working class smokers to fund pre-k programs was maybe the dumbest ballot initiative of all time.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    And Sorry!

    by Real Deal

    That's Jared Harris! Sorry.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    chuck

    by palewook

    started ok good in season 1, worked in season 2, managed to keep us in season 3, season 4 lost its way, season 5 is ending, which is good.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    uh...yes i have. u refuse to accept them...

    by jay2517

    "Really? I don't watch any of them. So, I'm not impressed." thanks for making my point(s). if u dont watch, then u shouldnt comment. but, continue to deflect away... *remember this tip: this is the internet, im not writing a thesis. BTW- when u have to resort to being the "grammar/punctuation police" then u have lost the debate...

  • And your accusations of deflection while deflecting is, truly, comical. I'll continue to wait for these Cain "facts" while I also wait for your explanation about the validity of watching MSNBC/Current by a partisan shill, such as yourself. It just seems that you wouldn't have the time to do so after vomiting your Coulter/Limbaugh-like talking point bile. Again, try harder... ...with feeling.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    How I have missed Fringe...

    by monkey_tamer

    It is a crime we've had to wait so long for new episodes. Last night was pure awesome sauce. I guess I can sort of understand why some people are confused by what is going on, but that is why I've always loved Fringe... They don't tell the audience everything up front. It unfolds over time and things slowly get connected until the entire scope is revealed. I like this type of storytelling, but for an ADD society that may be asking too much. I think none of us really know what this new universe is yet (i.e. Is a totally different universe than the one we have been watching the past 3 years or the same one just where Peter died as a child?) Peter may think he needs to "get back" to his universe, but it may end up there is no where to get back to. That may be something he is going to have to discover over the second half of the season. Excited to see all the pieces start to come together. And now that the Big Bad has been revealed this is only going to get more interesting.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Back To Fringe Discussion.......

    by Real Deal

    I think one possible meaning of the observer's claim about this Olivia dying is that this timeline must be scraped in order to set things right. Just a guess. Why the observer was shot probably has yet to be revealed. I just watched the episodes from season one with David Robert Jones ( David Bowie's real name as JJ is a fan of him ) and he simply is as good a villan as Moriarty was in Game of Shadows. From the time he gets himself captured in " Ability " he commands the FBI not the other way around. If you are a fan of Fringe and haven't seen these episodes from season one they are " In Which We Meet Mr. Jones " , " Ability ", and " There's More Than One Of Everything ".

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    room23storeblogspotcom

    by gotilk

    Thanks for the great posts!! You're the best. Last night's episode was fantastic. I tried my best to watch live, but ended up watching it DVR'd semi-live (about 10 minutes behind while it was recording). I hope that counts on some level. I really hope Nielson updates their *habits* soon, they are so far behind the times it's not even funny anymore. Pathetic. Ruinous.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Grimm!!!

    by nate7377

    Getting better and better. I loved this episode. I hope it sticks around. Needs a serious back story though.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Fringe/Syfy

    by warren bishop

    I really liked last night's episode. When that show concentrates on the main story element, the alternate universe (s), there isn't anything else on tv quite like it. I think the show suffers when they do the mad scientist of the week type episode, but I imagine they get alot of pressure from the network to do alot of those episodes. In any event, I was watching the episode last night and it struck me "Why is the best sci-fi show on tv on a network and not the syfy channel? They should be doing something like this (where it'd have a built in audience) but they don't. Despite the fact it's a channel that's supposed to devoted to genre material, all of their sci-fi shows are shocking unoriginal: "Alphas", "Warehouse 13", "Lost Girl"... c'mon. In terms of sheer creativity, those shows don't hold a candle to "Fringe". It would really a shame if "Fringe" gets canceled this year, and all that crap on SyFy continues to be produced. So sad.

  • Jan. 14, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Re: Finge/Syfy

    by ShadowVision

    @warrenbishop. I think Syfy has a certain budget that prevents them from having original shows that require higher production costs. If I were Syfy I would have an indie viewing period where up and coming directors can feature their work. While we are on this topic, there is nothing stopping Netflix from obtaining the show and continuing the production. They could even stream each episode weekly through their streaming service. Going this route, they can become a producer of content and put the networks/ film studios on notice.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    warrenbishop

    by gotilk

    I think Skiffy is being run by someone who is requiring a formula for original, scripted sci-fi programming on the network. The formula probably looks something like this for science fiction related programming: 1. Show must have 2 main characters who are constantly on the verge of *hooking up* but barely avoid it in every case, usually at the last moment. Or if they do hook up, a sci-fi element must pull them back apart and start back as square one so that the sexual tension can be re-established. 2. The show must feature a likeable but bumbling nerd-type who is a genius, usually misunderstood or under-appreciated in some way yet still physically appealing. Glasses on, nerd. Glasses off, hot. Etc etc. 3. Each episode must contain at least 30% comedic elements, but never in any kind of challenging or *edgy* way. 4. The show must feature one main, lead character that is a stand-in for the *normals* who might catch the show. Someone who laughs at or makes fun of the nerdier elements in the cast. They must use the technology on the show, but not understand it fully. In spite of their lack of knowledge or ability relating to said technology, they must nearly always *save the day* in spite of this ignorance. 5. The show must feature a young cast member who is a genius in some way. This character must save the universe/world/town/main characters, but in a way that proves that they *should have listened to him or her in the first place and this whole mess could have been avoided*. 6. Whenever the opportunity arises, even secondary characters must be given a chance to apply rule number 1 to their own unrequited or denied relationship/love interest. *If only __ had (or had not) happened or they had met ____ or if they hadn't traveled ____ in time or had to leave because they were only guest stars, it would have worked out for them and they would have lived happily ever after*. 7. In spite of the show being science fiction, at least one character must at least SEEM to have some kind of supernatural ability or power, or wisdom that no-one else has, seemingly magical in some way. (BONUS POINTS IF CHARACTER IS BLACK AND/OR FEMALE AND OLDER THAN 35!!) 8. Deviation from these rules guarantees your show will be cancelled after one or two seasons, even if the ratings are higher than other shows that follow these rules. ONLY EXCEPTION: If the show is not a science fiction show. (See: Reality shows, Being Human, Merlin, Haven)

  • it quite mind boggling really. and what explanation is needed for watching the cable access channel Current and the Obama reelection channel MSNBC? u DONT and i DO. so, any debate from u on that is moot. thought that was apparent? keep deflecting away, thats all ur good for in here...

  • Nice seein' all assembled! And jay's on fire, isn't he? Like he's always been! Yeah, jay, go get 'em! For sure they won't get u, I bet! I won't bore u all with German politics, that's so your playground! And I don't wanna Wulff you to death... Pa has all his fire on Fringe - and I'm with you, there! Fringe's become great! gotilk: I'm eagerly waiting for tonight's SHERLOCK! Season finale once again - and another year to wait... Wait, there's our good ol' Doctor coming in the Fall... good, that it won't be his Reichenbach Fall... ;-)

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Jay2517 - Now, you're not even trying.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And you're making increasingly less sense. (Didn't think that was possible.) For example: What does watching MSNBC/Current have to do with Maher (who is on HBO)? Or, the fact that I don't watch them somehow qualifies me as a "progressive"? And let's not forget the fact that you've still completely wiffed on all-things-Cain. Your partisan shillery is doing you no favors...and your continuous, empty deflections (filled with phony self-righteousness) only furthr prove the vacuousness of your "arguments". I'd tell you to try harder one more time but it's clear that you can't.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    wtriker! whats up brotha? how u been?

    by jay2517

    i would comment on Fringe, but ive only seen a few episodes. looks good though...

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    deflection is a disease in here, looks like lol...

    by jay2517

    "What does watching MSNBC/Current have to do with Maher (who is on HBO)? Or, the fact that I don't watch them somehow qualifies me as a "progressive"?- ur the one who brought it up, not me. so, ur not a progressive? if u say so lol. "And let's not forget the fact that you've still completely wiffed on all-things-Cain."- how? i have stated they brought up baseless accusations that have amounted to nothing just to drive him out of the race. my point is still correct. u DO read my posts, correct? "Your partisan shillery is doing you no favors...and your continuous, empty deflections (filled with phony self-righteousness) only furthr prove the vacuousness of your "arguments"." i have deflected nothing. i dressed everything. u choose to ignore it. BTW- u misspelled "further" ao, by ir logic, ur stupid :) now, how about U try harder to comprehend what i post, mmmk?

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    gotik

    by warren bishop

    Hahaha!! I love your explanation. In a bizarre way - it makes more sense than shadowvision's explanation. I know syfy probably can't finance a program that costs $2 million a week to produce, but regardless - all of their shows are sooo lacking in imagination and creativity. In the 14-15 years that I've been aware of the SyFy/SciFi channel they've produced TWO series that I thought were really good: "Farscape" and "BSG". That's it. The original movies are shockingly bad, and the other series are just 'meh': "Sanctuary", "Being Human", "Alphas". They don't have anything on the air that even begins to approach the creativity of "Fringe": a series set in multiple universes. It just never ceases to amaze me that as someone that loves the genre - I rarely, rarely watch anything on that network.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    My god, Jay2517. You're an idiot.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    1. You're the one who brought up MSNBC, Current, and starting randomly labeling people progressives. Feel free to read your own posts, dummy. 2. Explain how the accusations are "baseless" when Cain agreed to confidential financial settlements, how other people stepped forward to speak on the women's behalf, how staffers of some of the other GOP candidates were aware of his past history, and how when the final woman stepped forward, her story was verified by the telephone numbers and records she provided (all of which caught Cain's wife by surprise). And nevermind the FACT that Cain's storied attempts to deny these allegations changed multiple times and made it increasingly clear that he was lying. Translation: he knew his goose was cooked. An innocent man (one who was serious about running for office) would have never backed down. Quote: "i dressed everything." You "dressed" nothing.

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Re : warrenbishop

    by Real Deal

    " It just never ceases to amaze me that as someone that loves the genre - I rarely, rarely watch anything on that network. " Sadly you're not alone. The SYFY channel at one time had a lot of promise. Unfortunately they took the route of many inexpensive not really geat shows. Maybe what they could have done is to continue running old shows mixed with a few really top notch ones. Alot of their retro programing was really fun to watch. I loved Retro TV. It had some seldom shown shows like Science Fiction Theater. Showing this stuff and the other retreads would allow them to afford a fewer number of really quality shows ( over quantity ).

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    I love Fringe

    by skiprat1

    I will be very sad if it goes away.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    wrong again gaius...

    by jay2517

    1. "Why would you be watching Maher anyway?! Shouldn't you be worshipping at the altar of Hannity?" thats all YOU buddy. YOU brought it up. *sigh* 2. the companies he worked for done the settlement, NOT Cain. he knew nothing about it. companies do this all the time concerning frivolous and unsubstantiated claims. saves them lawyer fees and headaches. and ill throw ur idiot logic right back at u. IF these women were so wronged and had all this evidence, WHY didnt they prosecute? if he violated them and caused so much emotional harm, WHY not PROSECUTE this EVIL man? lordy, and I'M the idiot? translation: they had NO evidence to their obvious BS claims. if they did, WHY are they not currently pursuing them? wheres that abhorrent media whore Allred now?? funny, how they dont feel so "violated" anymore now that their job is done. ur just being the conservative hating progressive shill uve always been on here, or willfully being obtuse. and u claim I'M partisan lol? yeeesh... BTW- u never did answer my question....so, ur saying ur NOT a progressive? deflect away...

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Jay2517 ...sigh...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    1) See your post: Jan 14, 2012 12:31:59 PM CST = The first mention, by you, of MSNBC and Current. 2) See your post: Jan 13, 2012 4:08:42 PM CST = The first mention, by you, of Bill Maher. I can't believe I have to point this out to you. 3) Cain was fully aware of the allegations against him. (Do you actually think the companies he worked for didn't interview him about the allegations?! Are you daft?!) What he claimed to not be aware of was the exact amount of the settlements. While there is legal precedent for this, it's highly unlikely that he remained completely in the dark about how the situations were resolved. And I have to say, it boggles the mind that you continue to say that the claims are "frivolous and unsubstantiated". If that were truly so, why would the settlements be agreed upon? It certainly doesn't do the companies any good to just give money away when they could file a counter/defamation suit. (Something that Cain could have done himself!) The women were not raped, Jay2517. They were harassed and/or approached inappropriately; they brought their complaints to the proper officials and subsequently agreed to out of court settlements and confidentiallity agreements. Their "job", as you put it, was ALREADY DONE back when the incidents occurred. Maybe Cain should have thought about all of this before he decided to put himself into the race for the most important office in the land. 4) To answer your question: "I've been called everything from a libtard, neocon, conservapuke, to a libertarian and socialist pinko commie. Oh, so many names!". --- But it doesn't take a "progressive" to see a GOP candidate who is utterly full of shit, woefully under-prepared, and totally incapable of lying his way out of the situation. (The hallmark of a true political champion!) The fact that you refuse to admit this because you prefer to tow the partisan line by hauling out all the familiar Liberal/MSM bashing tropes is truly revealing about how you dummies operate. Here's your receipt.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Going to miss Fringe

    by proevad

    Took me a season to warm up to it but I really love it now. Then I heard from an asshat friend that it wasn't going to be renewed last year (but it was)--and now I hear the head of Fox is shitting on it and probably shutting it down. So, it's been like dating a crazy gf who's really great in bed basically. I feel like a yo yo.

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Re : proevad

    by Real Deal

    Don't count your dead chickens before they're hatched! Things always pick up for the show in the second half of the season. And with things like David Robert Jones coming back ( see 1rst season ) I'm betting things will be back with a bang!

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    wrong, yet again gaius...

    by jay2517

    1. was i talking to u about it? nope. YOU brought it up to ME. *sigh* 2. same as 1 3. a) i already refuted this. u refuse to accept reality. b) who said they were raped?? reality eludes u, my friend. and, again, i already refuted that and addressed why u were wrong. poor fella! u sure are trying, arent cha? 4. ah, more deflection! just admit it. it doesnt make or break ur stupidity. no thanks, im not trying to return anything :)

  • Jan. 16, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Once again, you aren't even trying.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    In fact, you've taken to lying and playing dumb/coy because you're incapable of spelling out your "defense" at length. All you have is conjecture and partisan wishful thinking. You leave this Talkback with nothing but a big shit-stain of fail.

  • Very good Fringe episode. The show seems to be moving back toward its strengths. I missed Jared Harris in the opening credits, so it was a very nice surprise to see him at the end. Evil Lane Pryce is always more than welcome in my Fringe. A pretty solid Supernatural episode, too, even if they sort of wasted the idea of killing a god.

  • Jan. 17, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    really?

    by jay2517

    what have i lied about? how am i playing coy? i already explained my facts and refuted ur pathetic excuses. facts are NOT partisan, conjecture nor wishful thinking. ur just projecting now. add that to ur deflecting and u are showing just how much of a progressive u are. BTW- i take ur cowardly non answer as admission of ur progressiveness :) u lose, yet again...

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