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NO ORDINARY FAMILY And The Ryan Reynolds GREEN LANTERN Movie Getting Pilot Order For CW GREEN ARROW Series??
Greg Berlanti, the longtime “Dawson’s Creek” showrunner, is about to have a “Green Arrow” pilot greenlit at the CW.
Berlanti created ABC’s horrible (and quickly cancelled) superhero saga “No Ordinary Family.” He also co-wrote the horrible “Green Lantern” movie and a proposed “Flash” movie, both with Marc Guggenheim.
Guggenheim, who wrote for “No Ordinary Family” and ABC’s horrible “FlashForward,” helped write the “Green Arrow” pilot.
One of the coolest DC Comics characters ever, Green Arrow is actually billionaire industrialist Oliver Queen, who acquired almost superhuman acumen with the bow and arrow after he was shipwrecked on a desert island. Touted in the 1940s as a modern-day Robin Hood, Green Arrow evolved in the early 1970s as a symbol of the counterculture, a superhero unafraid to help those exploited by “The Man.”
Green Arrow is also the main character in a big-screen project in development titled "Supermax," which follows Queen after he is framed for murder and tossed in Amanda Waller’s metahuman prison with all the superpowered enemies of Superman, Batman, The Flash, The Green Lantern and even Swamp Thing.
Green Arrow became a regular character on “Smallville,” the tale of Superman when he was a boy. David Nutter, who directed the “Smallville” pilot, may do the same for “Green Arrow.”
Justin Hartley, who played Queen on “Smallville” and served as guest star on an episode of “Chuck” last year, will not be involved, according to Entertainment Weekly.
The CW is also developing with “Supernatural” mastermind Eric Kripke a series based on the DC superhero Deadman.
Find Deadline’s story on the matter here.
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Jan. 13, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
by Kal-El Hartley
they will fuck over my favorite character.
Jan. 13, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
And when corre
Jan. 13, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
just stick to everwood and legal / spiritual thing w/ johnny lee miller, pleez, those are watchable at least
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST
and the general public will wonder if Ryan Reynolds will be in it. When told, "no, that's Green Lantern, this is Green Arrow", they will ask "the Seth Rogan one?". When corrected again with "he was on Smallville" they will shake their heads in confusion until you say "Superman" to which they will tell you with a never flinching authority that Russell Crowe is playing Superman in the new Batman movie. One last attempt at explaining who the Green Arrow is, and isn't, will lead them to think you are talking about Robin Hood and the Twitter-verse will explode with the news that Russell Crowe is starring in a Robin Hood tv series based on his movie, and that, while Ryan Reynolds will be sorely missed, Seth Rogan will appear either as a young Robin Hood growing up is Small Town, or as Batman.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
we hardly knew ye.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST
"No Ordinary Family" was not quickly cancelled - it lasted an entire season. Whether or not it should have been cancelled earlier is another question. It certainly was a lame show but it had potential. And Green Arrow is certainly not "one of the coolest DC comics characters ever". I don't know how you came up with that. I predict this will do as well as the Aquaman series.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
Man that sure is a lot of suck lined up for this show... Well I don't mind the Green Arrow character and David Nutter is a decent TV director but everything else stinks to high heaven. Let's hope the show will be half as good as, another DC Comics show, The Human Target was. BTW I think Marc Guggenheim's an overrated comic book writer and unlike some hated his iteration of the Manhunter.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
by Larry Sellers
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
If not go the other way and cast a short skinny black chick.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
by Larry Sellers
I meant they already featured this character on Smallville often, right? Did it prove THAT successful? I've only ever read ONE Green Arrow story: Alan Moore's "Night Olympics". But I have no idea who this character actually is, his rogue's gallery, etc.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
by Cletus Van Damme
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST
It is ALWAYS the same thing.. show starts out well, with fair to better dialogue, decent plots and character development. Shortly after a few 'problem of the week' eps (mostly eps that give viewers a chance to walk in even if they missed the pilot, and still enjoy the show), a storyline or running theme will develop. Now, if it's well done, the show will build on the theme, with a few resolutions, only to create even MORE questions.. as character development takes a big upturn (usually with a few secrets either being discovered, or hinted at for future resolution. At this point, the show will have a dedicated following, the show has hit it's stride, with viewership stabilizing to a particular constant range. Now the channel wants them to back off from themes & plots, and lean more heavily on 'plot complication of the week' one/two offs, in the hopes of bringing in new viewers. The problem is that fans are a somewhat possessive lot. We LIKE having a vested interest in a shows growth and development. We LIKE having caught all the nuances and changes/evolution. We largely say "Go fuck yourself" to the folks who just want to poke their nose in and ask.. "So, whats all this about?" Television Studios don't understand this though. By trying to broaden the viewer base, you alienate the base that makes the show successful. Now actors are making sizable paychecks, and with no growth, the studio starts looking at ways to cut back to save money (which then goes into their pockets). Plots get truncated or simply end without discussion or resolution, often dumping still developing characters before they even get their stride. Sets are eliminated, with the same 2/3 being used OVER and OVER again. After cutting the show to the bone, it begins to suffer in ratings, so the dreaded programing moves start. With little or no warning, fans can't find the show they want, and viewership takes an even bigger dump. Now is when Actors are either eliminated from the show, or everybody starts taking pay-cuts. Tell me you haven't seen this happen endlessly on any/every show you ever really loved.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
The story says the show isn't "Green Arrow", it's just "Arrow" and that it's set in a "new world" and it's not based on the comics. Whenever they take a beloved superhero and change every single thing about him people like, that always works.
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
at the least keep Justin Hartley from Smallville, the new DCU version is pretty much him anyways
Jan. 13, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST
to get a Nightwing TV series?!?
Jan. 13, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
Where he was known as the Green Archer.
Jan. 13, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
by The Garbage Man
...you would have found the original EW article which states Hartley is not involved.
Jan. 13, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST
I would love to know what is going on in the mids of the CW executives who are just making a mess of things. 1: Smallville got 10 seasons Why?: Because it was an ensemble piece and it had a mass of characters and villains that kepot it fresh. Green Arrow doesnt have that same level of characters. 2:Green Arrow's gimmick; Archery. When Smallville's producers used GA in action sequences they had the common sense to keep the archery for big fight scenes where only one arrow was needed. what happens when they do a shoot out and they need Green Arrow to take down the villains with multiple arrows? Those scenes are going to be a nightmare for the DoP. and the CGI is going to be shit. To me CW should have gone either with a Legion of Superheroes show in a Buck Rogers type mode or go with a dark and heavy Suicide Squad that would riff off of central character Amanda Waller, who would take a team of "masks"/"metas" each week, and try and get them to do the dirty work of Uncle Sam. It would be like Mission Impossible crossed with Silence of the Lambs. The CGI budget would be no more than smallvilles and big CGI fx could be kept for end of season cliffhangers. CW would make more money with Suicide Squad through DC toy deals and graphic novels. CW give me a job!!!
Jan. 13, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
A Nightwing series could easily have 10 season no problem. Nightwing's feud with Blockbuster in Bludhaven is at least three season. then the rest of the series would be Nightwing taking on villains from Batman's Rogues Gallery and even characters from Metropolis. CGI would be at a minimum due the lack of powers. But whoever played Dick would need heavy training in Philipino Kali/Escrima stick fighting.
Jan. 13, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
I'm throwing props your way, my man! I laughed my shit off at that post! nice one
Jan. 13, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
Herc, what are you smoking? Flash Forward was a lot of things, I'll give you slow to get going, and complex, but horrible? Not hardly. In many ways, it was BETTER than Lost, which in retrospect, is overrated. (Yeah, I'm gonna catch some hell for that, but wait...). With Lost, how many questions even now will never be answered? How many years did we have to put up with "Oh no, they're not dead" when they were frakking dead, pining for the fjords, ex passengers? At least with Flash Forward you were getting answers. They were slow coming, but they were forthcoming. The characters were strong and well developed, and growing over the season, with many sub-stroies. If you complain about a show like Fringe (well worth saving) about to be cancelled, you should complain about Flash Forward being cancelled, they're the same brand, just at a different speed.
Jan. 13, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
If you're not going to use the actor and character that you spent several years building after a 10 year run on a series, why even bother? Why not do a different character? There's a million DC heroes. for the record No Ordinary Family was fairly lame, but I'd argue it was better than Heroes, in that it was at least focused and consistent with the characters. For a family show, it was pretty decent. And I quite enjoyed FlashForward. Didn't get the hate for that one - I became somewhat emotionally invested in the characters for that show. But Green Arrow, without Justin Hartley? No thanks. It's not that he's so great, but why wouldn't you want to continue what actually worked on Smallville and take it in a different direction?
Jan. 13, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
there seems to be an archery overdose, what whith hawkeye up and coming in the avengers, now they decide to green light GA? I thought Justin Hartley did a passable job in smallville, hell, i even thought he did a passable job for Aquaman. If it's going to be on the CW, why not Hartley for continuation? It's not going to be a smash, its on the CW for crying out loud. Still if it does go ahead, like smallville, i'll watch.. but considering flash forward was shit, and what a huge fucking disappointment GL was.. im not sure i'll be able to hack it. I'd love to see Iron fist as a movie or tv series, the most recent Immortal Iron Fist comic series was truly fucking epic. I mean it would have been perfect as a big budget movie/ decent budget tv series. if you haven't read it, beg, borrow or steal it
Jan. 13, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
i'm just saying.
Jan. 13, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
by Michael Lunney
Tou say: Green Arrow goes all the way back to the pulps. Where he was known as the Green Archer. Never heard of that. What are you talking about?
Jan. 13, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
Movie 1939 Iris Meredith stars in this action-packed and suspense full thriller based on books written by the famous author Edgar Wallace. Castles, dungeons, and mideval treasures set the scene for this 15-chapter serial about the mysterious hero, The Green Archer.
Jan. 13, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
That's what killed No Ordinary Family and the Cape.
Jan. 13, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
I know Goyer has said he still wants to do it, but the last article I saw was from like 2009. I really hope it does, because I've never been as excited about a superhero movie premise as I am about that one. It's like The Great Escape mixed with Escape From Alcatraz with, you know, a superhero. I mean Jesus, that's about the greatest premise ever.
Jan. 13, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST
Flashforward was a slow burn but had some damn good ideas and was setting up nicely for a helluva ride. Then it got canned due to its low Nielsen ratings. Too bad the American public at large is so brain dead that they couldn't watch it or understand it and I reckon Herc's in that category. Your fucking loss buddy boy. You're bitching and moaning about Fringe being on the chopping block once again. And once again you show that you have blinders on when it comes to most worthy science fiction on television. And that ain't shit on Syfy or whatever they call it these days or coming out of Joss Whedon's fucking ass...
Jan. 13, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
I can't help myself. The only good superheroe series lately is "Person Of Interest"! Jim Caviezel is The BatMan, Michael Emerson is Alfred/Oracle and Taraji P. Henson has the role of Jim Gordon.
Jan. 13, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
is like doing Batman without Val Kilmer
Jan. 13, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
by the Green Gargantua
WB should take some notes from Nolan since Batman is their crown jewel. That Wonder Woman pilot is a great example of where their writers's heads are at.
Jan. 13, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
and hire a real man for Green Arrow
Jan. 13, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
Jan. 13, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
Have almost nothing to do with one another. Mort Weisinger created Green Arrow. Edgar Wallace created Green Archer. Sure Weisinger was loosely inspired by the Archer serials but to say Green Arrow goes back all the way to the pulps is not true at all. Saying they're the same character is like saying Batman and Zorro are the same character.
Jan. 13, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST
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Jan. 14, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST
Jan. 14, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST
In order to save money and just come up with their own DC-like villians and hero.
Jan. 14, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
While I agree with you that Lost, particularly the final season and final episode, was quite disappointing, they weren't "all frakking dead". The crash happened, the survivors were on the island, the smoke monster, the Others, the freighter, etc. all happened. The only "all dead" part was the sideways universe, where the survivors met up after they ALL died...I know, it was a stupid way to explain what could have been a neat alternate dimension, but whatever.
Jan. 14, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
just channeling a couple of former co-workers who were rather frustrating to talk to when the conversation came around to tv or movies. I didn't really care so much that they didn't know what they were talking about, but rather that they were always so adamant that they were right.
Jan. 14, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST
God this sounds like an awful, awful idea. Bad writer, bad show runner, bad everything going on here so... why make it? I thought "No Ordinary Family" was literally one of the worst things EVER FILMED. Generally I'm not too critical of bad television shows, since who really cares anyway, but "Family" was an insulting stupid, wannabe Incredibles knockoff that utterly wasted Michael Chiklis's "Shield"-honed talent and shat all over everything it obviously wanted to accomplish. What a fucking waste of time and talent. Anyone associated with the running of that show should be kicked the hell out of Hollywood and never allowed back into a studio. Fail on all counts.
Jan. 15, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST
I remember when this project was first grumbled about people barked that "Ack! You need a Green Arrow origin movie to set up a sequel concept!!" This is, like, maybe 5 years ago or so. And I think we all know now: No, you don't. Just jump into it! Prison movie with superpowers. I mean, come on! Do it!
Jan. 15, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
by John Brown
That is all.
Jan. 15, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
I loved that show...
Jan. 15, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST
by I Hope You Die
That show invited intelligent conversation like no other.
Jan. 15, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
Is it at least availabe somewhere, maybe Netflix or hulu?
Jan. 15, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
Jan. 15, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
great fucking episode!
Jan. 16, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
Kevin McKidd for Ollie Queen
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