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Nordling Talks To Joe Carnahan About God, Liam Neeson, And THE GREY!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Nordling here.
I came out of BNAT buzzing about one movie in particular - Joe Carnahan's THE GREY. It was my favorite film of this year's BNAT, and I think many of those in attendance felt the same - THE GREY is a rich, emotional film, a harsh survival tale straight out of Jack London, and features a bravura performance from Liam Neeson, who in THE GREY delivers on an award-caliber level. We here at AICN Tweeted about the film when we got out, and now buzz has reached a fairly high point.
Other reviewers have seen THE GREY now, and it's nice to see their enthusiasm about the film as well. I was able to talk to the film's director, Jo Carahan, briefly yesterday, and his jovial personality and honesty really helped make my job a lot easier. Thanks to Joe Carnahan and the good folks at Open Road for setting it up.
Word of warning - we do discuss a specific scene towards the end, so read at your own risk.
Joe Carnahan: Alan, how are you brother?
Nordling: Hey man, how are you doing?
JC: I’m good. How are you?
Nordling: I’m great. I’m fighting over a little cold, but other than that I’m doing really well.
JC: Where are you at? Are you in St. Louis?
Nordling: No, I’m in Houston.
JC: Oh, you’re in Houston. Got you, brother, got you.
Nordling: Cool, well man I really loved THE GREY.
JC: You were out of the gate like one of the people who… I appreciate that man, that’s like the rallying cry. It was fantastic to read that. What you came out of BNAT with was really wonderful, dude.
Nordling: Yeah I’d imagine that must have been nail biting for you to wait for everybody to get out and tell you what they thought.
JC: Yeah, it was. It was one of those things where it’s like… It was weird, because I was working and I thought, “I’m just going to let it happen and whatever takes place and transpires transpires,” but then to have the reaction be so kind of universally positive was brilliant. It really was. I couldn’t ask for anything else.
Nordling: Harry’s really funny about how he paces his Butt-Numb-A-Thons and I remember when SMOKING ACES played, because with SMOKING ACES… It’s a lot of hills and valleys and I’m not to say that the movies are bad and good, it’s just that you get a really intense action movie and then something that kind of sedates you a little bit and then you come up, and I remember when SMOKING ACES played for the first time and just woke everybody up, because that played at like four in the morning. When that came on everybody was like, “Wow.” It was like caffeine straight to the spinal cord. And THE GREY had followed a few other films and I was really curious to how that would play. I had no idea when I saw it… I mean the trailers are a little bit of a misnomer, because it is an action movie…
JC: Right, right.
Nordling: But it’s so emotionally rich. Every character has got their story, and every character is great and you really are interested in everybody’s lives, not just Liam Neeson’s. I mean I gush at movies easily, so you can take that… When I say, “gush,” I mean I cry a lot at movies and you can take that however you want to take it, but I cried a lot at this one.
JC: I think that’s great. Listen, like I’ve said it’s like my wish and hope for the film is that it played for you longer than the two hours it took to watch it and that it stayed with you. Again, I have deliberately kind of… when people ask me “What does this mean?” “What does that mean?” It’s like, “It’s really immaterial what it means to me. I’m a lot more interested in what it means to you.” It’s funny, it’s one of those situations where I learn about my own movie by talking to other people and getting their perceptions and thoughts and it’s been great. It’s always nice to do something that seems to reach people and not be this kind of disposable experience that’s over and done with.
[SPOILER TALK!]
Nordling: Especially, and I’ll talk more about this scene in a minute, but especially the scene where it’s Liam Neeson and everybody is gone… When I post this article, I’ll post it with a big spoiler…
JC: I understand.
Nordling: But when everybody is gone, and Liam Neeson is on his own, and he’s having his conversation with God. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t had some sort of conversation like that in their life.
JC: Yeah, if you’re honest about it, I think. You know what I mean? If you’re not worried about what it may mean to be critical of the Almighty or to be critical of… Listen, this mudslide buried 6,000 people in Mexico, and you say, “I’m not interested in you working in mysterious ways; I’m interested in a fucking answer.” Do you know what I mean? And “Why?” and “To what end?” I think we are entitled to that, man. As human beings, as being in possession of abstract thought, we are entitled to that. So that’s where that came from and I think again my own… Listen, I’m a lapsed Catholic, so maybe it’s my own questions of faith.
Nordling: Hey, so am I.
JC: Exactly. You know it’s a very indoctrinated… It’s funny, I look at it now and you know intelligent people that have obviously an appreciation and a notion of science and a scientific world and yet we suddenly go, “Yeah, He took one fish and a loaf of bread and fed thousands of people…” It’s like “Wait a minute…” These are the things I question, brother. You read (Christopher) Hitchen’s book on God and it’s tough, man, you take any paragraph out of that book and present it to the most hardcore theologian and say, “Let’s have a debate. Let’s talk,” and I think there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s when we get entrenched in “It absolutely is this,” and “It absolutely is that,” that I get worried, but I’m glad. I haven’t taken as big a beating as I thought I was going to take for that scene, the shout out to God. It’s probably coming.
Nordling: It might come, but I think that it is a universal thing. I think everybody’s got that at their lowest moment in life, definitely like in that scene, and that everybody has got that part in them that’s like, “You know what? I’m going to shoot the finger at you.”
JC: Absolutely, dude. You’re right, where you just feel like… And again I had this thing that’s kind of funny; we had this longer bit where Liam is like, “Where are you when I need you?” I took that out, but I always loved the way he delivered that, because there was just such desperation in the way that he said that.
Nordling: It feels very personal from him.
JC: And again, it’s a testament to how talented that guy is. I remember thinking the emotional space he had to get in was… “We’re going to have an early day” and I remember after the scene, he was like “All right mate, so where are we having dinner?”
[Both laugh]
JC: He was just able to kind of do his thing and completely inhabit that moment and then move on, which again… I mean, that’s a consummate pro. That’s the absolute definition of that.
[SPOILERS END!]
Nordling: I know it’s based off a short story by Ian Mackenzie Jeffers. Tell me a little bit about how you found that story, how the whole coming with the writer and writing the script came about, and the place that you were coming from when you directed the film, because obviously it’s a very intimate film and it’s very different than THE A-TEAM. So how did that come about?
JC: Sure. Well it’s interesting, because I was just at the end of my experience on MI3 and say, “at the end,” meaning I was going to quit before they were going to fire me kind of thing. That had kind of run its course, and Ian sent me this short story during that time and I remember reading it and I thought it was just so antithetical to what I was dealing with at the time, which was a big franchise and a lot of working parts and big studio, big star and all of that stuff and here I read this very spare stripped down survival tale. So I don’t know, it just appealed to me almost immediately, and not necessarily knowing how or why or all of the machinations of why it was so appealing to me, but I just knew it had a quality that I responded to. So I optioned the story from him and then he did a run at a draft, kind of a partial draft, and then I took it and for the ensuing four and a half or five years just worked on it on and off and got it to a point, I think.
And dude, it’s tough, brother, because if you are trying to make a living doing it, you take jobs or you take writing assignments and so on and also… I didn’t know that I was of the maturation that I was ready as a filmmaker, ready as a man, I guess, to tackle this stuff until such time where I could really understand what it is I was trying to say, or just have the presence of mind enough to know, “Okay, this is what I think this means to me,” and I think it’s rendered well enough that other people can derive something from it. Do you know what I mean?
Nordling: Right. It’s got a lot of universal themes. How tough was that shoot? I mean was it as tough as it looks on screen?
JC: It was brutal. It was absolutely… Listen, there are those films you have to go out and earn and this is absolutely… like PABLO, that’s something I have to go out and earn, and something I’ve been earning for a number of years. I just feel like if this experience has taught me anything, it’s like I’m glad, but listen, if THE A-TEAM had been a huge success, I would be making THE A-TEAM 2. And I think the travesty in that would have been I would not have made THE GREY, and I think what this has given me is the understanding of, “Listen, you don’t get a lot of shots man. You’ve got to make them count and you’ve got to do what appeals to you if you can.” If you have the ability to make these kinds of films, you should. And so what’s interesting about this is that it was absolutely difficult to shoot, and brutal, and miserable at times, but at the same time I was never necessarily aware of how miserable it was, because I was checking my watch the whole time. I was trying to make my day, because we had forty days to shoot the thing, so it didn’t ever occur to me. But yeah, what I do love about it is that you see the results on screen man, like that wind and that snow and everything… That wind wasn’t us dragging Ritter fans up a mountain. That was Mother Nature kind of trying to blow us off of it. So yeah it was tough, but I think in the end very, very meaningful.
Nordling: That’s cool. Well I just wanted to let you know THE GREY is an amazing film. I think it’s your best film. I think it’s going to be terrifically successful and 12 months from now, you’re going to be making the Oscar talk runs, I think.
JC: I really appreciate that. Now I’m jinxed. (Laughs)
Nordling: (Laughs) Well I don’t want to jinx you.
JC: I appreciate it, and again like I said thanks for the early shout out, man. It meant a lot and it really got the ball rolling.
Nordling: Cool. I’m really happy that that happened for you. Thanks a lot, man.
JC: All right bud, be well.
Nordling: You too. Bye.
JC: Bye.
THE GREY opens January 27th, and it's a must-see. Nordling, out.
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It's true.
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Great interview though.
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I'm still going to see this.
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Let's hope this is a return to Narc-level goodness after the last two misfires.
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It's funny how people don't bother thinking of God (or even believe) when something good happens but he gets all the bad press when something bad takes place.
Then the atheist like to argue why bad things happen from a loving God - blah blah blah... when if you don't think he exists why get your panties in a wad over it? If you're just trying to get the believer riled up then what does it really matter? Is your ego that pathetically starved that you need that to get a smile on your sour face or are you really wanting to know the answers.
Anywo - Liam Neeson: Punching Wolves would still have been an awesome title but this sounds like a great film. -
I has a quote from someone just like him, going on and on about 'why do Atheists care so much about whether or not people believe in God, it doesn't have any effect on a non-believer's life, they need to mind their own business, blah blah blah'. And above the quote is a picture of the Twin Towers collapsing.
I'd bring up all the women murdered in the Christian-driven Salem witch trials past, and African witch trials present, as well as a rampaging AIDS epidemic from Catholics afraid to violate church doctrine and use condoms, or science being drastically set back by hundreds of years during the Dark Ages, or...well, anything from the last 4,000 years.
But reason and logic are lost on people like him.
So I won't bother. -
Jan 09, 2012 10:54:55 AM CST
I remember AICN talking about this a few months ago.
by professor murder
Showing Neeson with the make shift claws and all.
I know one thing's for sure. Liam Neeson is fun to watch. From Schindler's List to Taken, he has played a variety of characters. Hell, he is the only 'serious' or believable character in The Phantom Menace. Everyone else was cartoony or cheesy.
I guess we'll have to see this Summer what Battleship is all about, but no matter the case or the situation, Neeson always holds up his end of the bargain.
I am looking forward to The Grey. This whole 'punching wolves' thing makes me think he'll have a comic book/side project coming out or something with the focal point being something of that nature, heheh. -
Jan 09, 2012 10:57:28 AM CST
This makes me want to read "To Build A Fire", then watch Alive
by kidicarus
I love survival, man vs. nature stories like this.
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...but would still love an A-TEAM 2. The first one was a lot of fun.
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Jan 09, 2012 11:06:18 AM CST
atheist care because religion has killed millions in its history.
by the_claxdog
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Liam Neeson is a God
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These are not necessarily the TOP ten reasons. Maybe they’re not even the ONLY ten reasons. But they’re ten pretty good reasons I’m glad I am an atheist.
1. Sunday morning. Or Saturday. Or whenever. I get to sleep in if I want to. And if I don’t want to – I almost never do – I can get up and do things I want to do, and not things other people expect me to do, in church or otherwise. I don’t feel that I have to be seen worshipping in order to be accepted as a decent person.
2. I don’t have to be afraid of my own thoughts. There are some pretty horrible things that can go through your mind. Things you would never do, but still things somehow worth thinking. Because you yourself need to understand why it’s a bad idea to do those things, and you couldn’t really understand those reasons unless you allow yourself to think the thoughts and examine them for soundness. I can think those thoughts and examine them, rather than fearing that a mystical superbeing is reading my mind and condemning me to eternal torment just for thinking.
3. I don’t have to pray. Meaning, if I have a challenge in my life, I don’t have to do this magical thing and then wait to see what happens, over and over, caught in a loop of hope and despair and guilt that maybe I haven’t done it right.
4. When something happens I don’t understand, I can be sure there’s some real explanation for it. Even if sometimes that explanation is only “Shit happens.”
5. I don’t have to be afraid of being tormented for eternity in Hell. Instead, I can chuckle at the idea, and be glad I’m free of it.
6. Likewise, I’m not obliged to preach to friends and loved ones about the right way to live, for fear that they will be condemned to eternal torment.
7. I don’t have to read the Bible, or some other holy book, and spend great amounts of my time trying to make it make sense.
8. I can feel confident that I, with my own mind, am capable of understanding things. I don’t have to believe that only a priest or mystical leader is the only one who can understand this stuff, because he has the special privilege of talking to the Supreme Being, which I am not allowed to do.
9. I don’t have to be afraid that perfectly random events, or natural occurrences like lightning or hurricanes, are some sort of message or punishment from God.
10. I get to have friends who are bright, funny, rational, thoughtful individualists. -
Jan 09, 2012 11:42:38 AM CST
it's the other way around. Secularism/Athiesm has murdered MILLIONS Stalin/Mao etc. Look it up.
by fandude7
Yes, in the name of religion and god people have murdered thousands throughout history but they were going contrary to what was in the Bible. Stalin, Mao etc were doing EXACTLY what their philosophy was telling them to do.
They didn't murder based on religion or race, they murdered based on economic status. Marxism -
Jan 09, 2012 11:43:42 AM CST
Religion has killed millions, as has Communism, Capitalism, land squabbles, political philosophies, etc.
by kidicarus
Pointing out that many have died in the name of religion isn't an argument for/against God, but it's a good one to point out the violent tendencies of men in general.
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Are you so naive to think that eradicating religion would keep man from killing one another? Even on a mass level?
All the bitterness you (like minded people) have towards Christians and God seething under the surface is amusing. Especially seeing that I was addressing the issue of people questioning why bad things happen and God lets it. Because that's what was discussed in the interview and all.
It just takes a tiny spark to ignite the raging inferno you and your kind have. Kind of funny in a sad way. -
Jan 09, 2012 11:54:54 AM CST
professor murder, in order for number one of your list to work, you can't have kids either ;)
by zombie_fatigue
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And I wouldn't follow those people or their beliefs as well.
It's not -choose religion or choose to be a nazi- or -choose religion or choose military- or -choose religion or choose Halebop(uhh, wait, I think that would be religion).
You don't HAVE to be a part of any certain belief system or organized system or cult.
Just because someone is not religious doesn't mean they are automatically for non religious related murder and pillaging.
The only thing that sways my beliefs are things that can show me proof. Science is in the lead as of now. -
That's because having kids is officially starting a small cult, aka the things we are addressing here, haha.
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the machine gun, the nuclear bomb, the drone, etc.
No one ever fights over religion. It's just an excuse to get the masses riled up enough to drive a spear through helpless women and children.
Wars are only fought over access to resources, markets and trade routes.
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Jan 09, 2012 12:01:53 PM CST
professor murder, I wouldn't trade my little cult in for all the sundays in the world, friend :)
by zombie_fatigue
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I would rather fight to keep someone from attacking me (whether it originated from resources/market/trade routes) than fight from someone trying to change me into something just because it's their preferred way of thinking and if I don't accept it, not only will I die, but I will spend eternity in hell(err... I mean, their hell).
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Yes, the science that made the gun and bomb.
The science that SHOWS how those things were constructed and how they work.
Not some science that displays a dirty shroud and SAYS that it is something and part of something that we have no idea how it works, but are told that is just the way it is, so accept it. -
Jan 09, 2012 12:16:26 PM CST
You're right, science made guns and bombs, lets stop using it altogether
by sardonic
Now give back all the antibiotics, dental work, and vaccines.
Hopefully you don't pneumonia. -
The plane crashes and is strewn in tiny pieces across the snow but somehow the people were thrown clear. Thrown clear from a PLANE CRASH. Sorry, jut can't buy it. This isn't LOST folks.
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..the landing(crash)was steep enough that they were able to snowboard some shrapnel and.....uhh. then...uhh.
Nope, I can't explain it. -
If you guys would pull your heads out of Darwins lower decayed orifice your little useful-science-is-void-of-religion view would crumble.
Also - you should look at becoming a true Christian. You really wouldn't have to violate any of your top 10. Maybe amend a subsection or two but it would pretty much stay intact.
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Ok not all the films have been classics, but I can't remember him being anything other than good in all his roles. Mr dependable.
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I could just continue to be me and do whatever I want to do and not think that whoever is NOT doing what I'm doing is doomed for all eternity, as a true christian would believe.
Obviously, my head is up nobody's ass, considering my train of thought is far more practical and realistic than some others in this talkback. -
Amen, brother. Exactly.
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As I stated before. StarWars 1 was straight poodoo, but Neeson still was more believable and heads above the others in it.
That's the closest I can think of. Totally not his fault if you can find flaws in that performance anyways.
I had to check his filmography and I can't really see any bad performances, and if there are movies he did that I was not too high on, he was only doing voice work in it.
Looking over his list reminds me that I have to see Darkman again. I don't even remember that movie anymore since it was so long ago. -
Jan 09, 2012 12:47:38 PM CST
Are they CGI wolves or not? That's all that matters.
by mentaldominance
Fuck the lazy bastards if they are.
And don't give me any excuses how it's "harder" or "more dangerous" to
use real wolves because all you're saying is it's harder and more dangerous
to do it the right way. There have been many films made with real wolves.
Wolfen. Never Cry Wolf. Etc. There are still wolf wranglers. Using CGI animals
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Jan 09, 2012 12:47:49 PM CST
by professor murder, there is religion everywhere; a guy at the gym told me to hydrate, now I have to grow 8 heads!
by stereotypical evil archer
professor murder, you're my hero of the day.
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Jan 09, 2012 12:49:00 PM CST
Someone already patched a CGI wound on Liam in the poster geeze...
by mentaldominance
Doesn't look remotely real.
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Jan 09, 2012 12:49:23 PM CST
mental, long time no see! How's the puppeteer business?
by zombie_fatigue
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The Phantom Menace is the only film I can think of which he struggled, but as you so rightly pointed out he was far and away the best thing in it.
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You strike a valid point evil archer.
People say that hitting the gym is a life style, and trust me, it is.
You must be very on it while you're there and while you're at home.
When it comes to the diehards though, it turns into a religion.
Not only do you spend majority of your week making trips there to do a routine, but you spend hard earned dollars to their organization and much more on eating right and supplements.
If you're serious about the gym, it is a religion. haha -
Jan 09, 2012 12:54:43 PM CST
=If you guys would pull your heads out of Darwins lower decayed orifice your little useful-science-is-void-of-religion view would crumble.=
by zombie_fatigue
Now THAT'S the Christian spirit, creg! Onward soldier. Many souls to save.
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Jan 09, 2012 12:56:34 PM CST
I don't talk to God...or Santa Clause, or the Easter Bunny
by melgibsoncalledmethenword
because they don't exist.
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Jan 09, 2012 1:01:33 PM CST
Atheism hasn't killed anyone. Anyone saying otherwise is borderline retarded
by melgibsoncalledmethenword
Has an atheist killed someone before? Certainly they have, but not over religion.
Remember World War 2? That was a holy war, regardless of what you might want to believe. Hitler's crazy Christian beliefs meant he needed to avenge Jesus by killing the Jews.
We're in Iraq/Afghanistan right now because of a holy war - because crazy, retarded Muslims believe they get to go to heaven when they blow themselves up. You think they'd do that stupid shit if they knew there was no heaven? -
When does work start on A-TEAM 2!?!?
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...but every time some fucking Jehovah's Witness knocks on my door at 8:00am on a Sunday morning I contemplate murdering be ause of religion.
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And more go along the lines of just being agnostic.
I feel at times(like right now) of throwing out some aethiest jabs by telling some of you over the top religious wackos that you're out of your effin' mind.
But most of the time, I stick to me believing in living my life the way I want to and letting you live your life and believe in what you want to believe in.....as long as it doesn't tread on my way of life, which is what constantly happens, bringing the inner aethiest back to the surface. -
Jan 09, 2012 1:19:31 PM CST
Actually, we're not in Iraq/Afghanistan because of a holy war...
by eustisclay
...we're there because of a corrupt administration and money.
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Jan 09, 2012 1:33:18 PM CST
oops, not done.....eustisclay that's not true
by melgibsoncalledmethenword
We went there as an excuse - because of what happened on 911 which was religion-based. All of these retarded terrorist attacks are because morons think they're going to heaven when they blow themselves up.
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Jan 09, 2012 1:36:10 PM CST
Religion is man's interpretation of how they perceive God to be.
by spewbacca
Most of you have no idea what you're talking about. Come back with an intelligent argument, For or Against. It's all just white noise at the moment. Get some facts, and we'll talk. :)
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Jan 09, 2012 1:54:35 PM CST
Don't forget those morons are also offered a thousand virgins.
by spewbacca
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OK, so calling us infidels the great satan has no religious implications whatsoever?
Yes, we are wanting to win this war and spread democracy throughout the region so that we may have better access and prices for crude oil, but in no way is that what this war is over. You can't deny that is what top officials hope for.
But to say that religion is no factor in this war is ridiculous.
I'll pledge allegiance to my flag, but I will never put my trust in god.
They should take the damn phrase off of our coins. What happened to separation of church and state?
We, as a civilization have moved light years beyond what we once were. But the fact that the church is still so much in control over the way some things are still done is amazing to me.
At least they don't chop off our heads anymore for not being a believer anymore. Not in this country anyways.... -
IRAN sentenced a guy to death for spying, but they couldn't just leave it at that:
(from msnbc.com)
"Amir Mirza Hekmati was sentenced to death ... for cooperating with the hostile country (the United States) and spying for the CIA," Fars said, without giving a source.
"The court found him Corrupt on Earth and Mohareb (waging war on God)," it added.
HE WAS A SPY!(maybe) and if he got caught, he got caught. That's it! Throwing the extra -waging war on God- just shows how much of the war still needs to wake up and stop integrating THEIR religion into everything.
Why is their religion so much better and more true than the 10,000 OTHER religions out there anyways?
How about joining the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? It's just as valid as Christianity when you look into it. -
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Redundant and interchangeable..
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That kind of talk is heresy against the church!
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Religious Talkbacks are the worst thing on the internet. Has someone actually been converted/minds changed because of what someone said in a talkback?
All it is is a bunch of people spouting about how they are right, you are wrong, and here's why even though it means nothing to you.
Can we stop it? And talk about the film at hand?
Or about the upcoming A-TEAM 2...I WANT IT! -
When they start killing people because those people won't obey their little imaginary friend? Not so adorable.
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Seriously, I'd like to know how they are depicted in this film. Are they 'monsters'? Are they the equivalent of the shark in Jaws for this movie? Because if they're shown in a negative light, the kind that inspires nutjobs to hunt down these beautiful wild animals, I have no interest in seeing this film whatsoever.
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Jan 09, 2012 5:33:14 PM CST
Nordling was clearly "feeding the bear" when he mentioned God in the headline ;)
by zombie_fatigue
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You couldn't make it up
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Jan 09, 2012 6:15:24 PM CST
jaygarnham , Yeah he is fucking terrible Phantom Meance
by talkbacker with no name
But then again, nobody comes out of that movie looking good, apart from Ray Park and the few lines he did have were overdubbed! ha
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Make it now!
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Jan 09, 2012 8:10:01 PM CST
Did somebody say Liam Neeson was terrible in the Phantom Menace?
by yelsaeb
I'm.....shocked. He is the only reason why the movie is not a total failure to me.
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Jan 09, 2012 8:12:38 PM CST
Sounds cool. Though I'd rather tell the wife we're going to see "Wolf Puncher".
by v3d
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Christianity has its roots in the New Testament interpreted through the eyes of the Neoplatonists like Augustine, while science and reason has its roots in Aristotle. Two different philosophers, two very different attitudes about the world that have EQUALLY affected our Western mindset. Religion and science, apples and oranges.
Luther said "One only becomes a theologian WITHOUT Aristotle." He also wrote, "Beside this, I am not of opinion that all sciences should be beaten down and made to cease by the Gospel, as some fanatics pretend..." [site http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/417/pg417.html]
The debate should have been settled 500 years ago during the Reformation. I find it striking that the two groups of Christians who get in trouble the most with Atheists are the Roman Catholics, who still tackle theology in the same way they did back in the Middle Ages by synthesizing reason with religion, and Evangelicals, who are so undereducated that they actually believe that Creationism is more rational than evolution.
In any case the key is moderation. Religious fundamentalists need to moderate to be completely respectful of Atheist's fundamental right to not believe, and Antitheists need to moderate to understand that faith can equally be a positive force on humanity. -
Jan 09, 2012 8:18:52 PM CST
And I hate ot be the party pooper, but I've been thinking this movie looks awful.
by yelsaeb
When I saw the CG wolves in the trailer I thought "Holy frick, dude! Its the Day After Tomorrow 2 starring Liam Neeson!" But the recent buzz has gotten me curious. My comment ends here. I'm staying far, far away from a religious discussion. I'd rather talk about something that actually matters.
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Portland is right. The key is moderation!
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Amen, except the alcohol... Drink like a monk, I say! :)
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I realize you hate Christians because they ask that you to exercise some restraint over your hedonistic lifestyle (joke - you can't really have a lifestyle at all if you are posting here) but don't spread that foul propaganda.
Hilter was a messianic figure of a pagan back-to-nature movement that despised technology, modernity and traditional religion.
He torn down the crosses from the churches and replaced them with his face.
He wished that the Germanic peoples were Muslim as it was a much better religion when it came to war.
Something about "turn the other cheek" seemed to bother Hitler.
So do a little reading before you spread lies. -
Jan 10, 2012 9:24:33 AM CST
Hitler wasn't a Santa Claus lover, you simple-minded bigot.
by pink_apocalypse
I realize you hate Santa Clause because he asks that you exercise some restraint over your hedonistic lifestyle (joke - scientific research has shown time and again that Atheists have higher I.Q.s and lead substantially more product lives than Christians, who make up the majority of prison populations), but don't spread that foul propoganda.
Actual quote:
'In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers.' - Hitler
Do a little church-approved reading before you spread your lies! He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake! -
But he was far more passionate about some mythical Teutonic pagan past he believes existed at some point. The invasion of the East, just to throw out an example, had far more to do with lebensraum than any misguided Christian imperative.
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Hitler professed reverence for Santa Claus, but his true faith rested with the Easter Bunny.
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It's called a movie, got it!?!?! If everyone died in the crash there would be no film. None.
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There, I said it!
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They don't even seem able to keep poor CGI off of the poster... Why would they dub a wound on someone with a computer instead of doing real makeup f/x?
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