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The Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day remembers Bob Anderson

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Following the recent death of sword master Bob Anderson many BtSPotD readers requested a BTS dedicated to him. I’m more than happy to comply. While the prequel saber duels are epic at times I have to say Mr. Anderson put more character in a simple parry in Star Wars, Empire or Jedi than you see in the entire massively choreographed fights in the prequels.

Think of the way Vader calmly toys with Luke in Empire, so confident he mostly just uses one hand to deflect the young Jedi-in-training’s strikes. Watching it after the big revelation you see that Vader is almost play-fighting with his son. The reveal was telegraphed in this very simple, very subtle way.

In Return of the Jedi the whole climactic fight scene is nothing but raw emotion. In The Princess Bride there’s a playful elegance to every movement. In Lord of the Rings there’s a more real world feel… the swords have weight, their use requires real exertion.

The man had a hand in everything from Bond to Barry Lyndon, but he will probably be most remembered for his Star Wars work. This series was the first since probably Errol Flynn’s heyday that made kids want to swordfight instead of play guns. Much of that is due to Mr. Anderson.

So today I have two Bob Anderson Star Wars images for you guys thanks to reader Robert Luke. First is from Empire, second Jedi. Not quite sure who he’s fencing with in the Jedi pic, but it’s pretty obvious who he’s crossing sabers with in the first pic.





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  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    He looks like Don Draper in the top one.

    by Royston Lodge

    Darth Draper

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    yee foo

    by Philip Tolken

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST


    by Red

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Love it!!!

    by bubcus

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Awesome pics.

    by KilliK


  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Awesome to see Bob as Vader unmasked

    by Rebel Scumb

    And you're absolutely right Quint, the Empire duel especially has so much character, and tension and personality.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Hamill on "Dinner For Five" said that he and Bob...

    by Tacom

    had wanted to do all these fancy choreographed moves for the fight in "Return of the Jedi" with twirls and holding the lightsabers one handed. They showed what they planned to Lucas but he nixed it. He said that lightsabers were heavy and supposed to be held with both hands like broadswords and was really firm about it. Of course later for the prequels they're doing all kinds of slick moves, holding the saber one handed!

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I think that's Peter Diamond in the bottom pic

    by Tacom

    He was the stunt coordinator on all the movies. He was interviewed in the EMPIRE OF DREAMS documentary.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    A True Unsing Hero!

    by CeejayNightwing

  • Just a wild guess

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Swords are so much cooler than guns. RIP.

    by golden tribw

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    An elegant swordmaster from a more civilized age

    by Rtobert

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Is Luke wearing a girdle under his Bespin fatigues?

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Mark Hamill and Bob Anderson

    by solitaire

    Two great gentlemen. Hamill always spoke out for Anderson and the lack of credit he got for directly contributing to Empire's saber fight, and Anderson himself was someone who deserves a legacy, by that I mean that there are few trained swordmasters left who do this kind of work- not fencers, not martial artists, not medivel experts, but true masters of the blade who can adapt ALL styles into a single fight-and I wish there was another generation who had learned at his feet. Men like Anderson are not appreciated enough while they are with us, we feel as though they will always be there to give us another epic display and do not think of them as actual people. I felt this way when Stan Winston seemed impossible that I would never see his talent again. Good journey to you sir, touche'.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I love the Empire lightsaber fight! And Jedi's!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I wish Revenge of the Sith would have had a fight as good as Empire or Jedi. Plus the blue vs. blue of the sabers wasn't that great of a color choice. Obi-wan should have fought with Anakin's/Luke's blue saber, the weapon of the friend he lost. Darth Vader should have fought with a red saber, after all, he was a Sith getting revenge. They should have fought with emotion and brutality. Like a tone poem that rhymed with the duel in Jedi and Empire. Obi-wan should have fought with tears in his eyes and the weight of unstoppable failure. Vader should have fought with anger brute force. Attack of the Clones should be erased and we can just pick our favorite parts from the Tartarkovsky or Filloni cartoons. That fancy shit was a surprise in The Phantom Menace, but that's because Maul was fighting two Jedi, and it worked well for that movie.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Sorry for what turned into another Star Wars lament.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    But damn! We loved that original trilogy while growing up!

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I just need some Mos Eisley Special Reserve!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Star Wars Juice!

  • -- that sounds weird but it would be a cool toy.

  • Regarding the prequel saber fights : don't diss Ray Park's work, he was pretty incredible and probably the only thing worth remembering from TPM.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Going to draw ire for this, but damn the torpedoes!

    by obijuanmartinez

    As a practitioner of Chinese broad & straight-sword, as well as Kendo, I much prefer the prequels' hyper-kinetic saber fights. Sacrilege, I know. For me, there's something more interesting about being able to see moves, forms, twirls & foot-stances I recognize, and have performed in some cases. I will say, it's a stark incongruency Lucas fostered when he hard-lined the saber as a 2-handed, heavy weapon - it also sows what little having "0" martial arts experience or knowledge can gain you. When you consider there's only about 20 years between Ep. 3 & Ep. 4, and you go from Ob-Ewan McGregor's high-jumps, flips, etc. to 60+ y/o Alec Guiness barely raising "the stick", it leaves you wanting. More on weights: A practice / tournament Kwan-dao (a kung-fu weapon consisting of broad sword at the end of a staff named after the famous General Guan-yu) weighs 25 lbs., while it's alleged historical ancestor weighed in near the 100 lb. mark - There are Kwan-dao forms that involve single-handed twirls (over the back, no less), as well as incorporation of tornado & butterfly kicks (think Darth Maul's flying horizontal flip for reference) so not sure why George had that particular nit to pick with swordplay...but it fosters a great disparity in terms of the overall dynamic content between old & new Star Wars films: In one group of films, I see stuff few humans can do; in the other, I see stuff pretty much anybody could

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    The problem with your stance is that watching overly elaborate sword play is BORING. At least for more than 99% of the audience. It's like watching a sparring match between very talented martial artists........that obviously aren't trying to kill each other. Kind of like an overly choreographed fist fight from a Kung Fu movie, they really seem like they're dancing instead of fighting. Contrast that with a fist fight from FIGHT CLUB where every fight makes you wince because it comes off like a real fight. As far as the Original Trilogy vs the Prequel Trilogy lightsaber duelsissue most important thing is STORY. You can have five straight minutes of two guys spinning around in a highly choreographed fight, but it isn't memorable. Or you can have Darth Vader say "You have learned much young one" with Luke replying "You'll find I'm full of surprises" followed by a few seconds of fairly simple clashes ended by Vader spinning Luke's saber out of his hand to teach him a lesson for being arrogant. Who DOESN'T remember that?

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    stereotypical, the two blues work against the red..

    by Tacom

    of the lava planet IMO. I don't think a red saber would show up that well.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Tomorrow's pic ......2001:A Space Odyssey?

    by DrMorbius

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST


    by obijuanmartinez

    I see your point, and as films, the prequels are atrocious compared to the originals. However, my main contention here is the Jedi are supposed to be these super-human champions with their amazing lightsabers (think Kenobi's line about "an elegant weapon"). When I compare the old and the new, I still find the classic trilogy's swordplay lacking - like I said, in one group of films, I see stuff few folks can pull off, while the other shows tricks anyone could pull off...

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Story, drama, emotion trump choreography every time.

    by Skraggo

    First of all, great pics, Quint. And I completely agree with yours, stereotypical evil archer's, and one9deuce's comments concerning the drama and emotion of the "simple" fights in the OT as compared to the over-coreographed, drama-less and emotion-less fights of much of the PT. The first time that we saw how the Jedi fight in "The Phantom Menace" I think we were all excited. At least, I know that I was. My favorite bit of swordplay from the entire PT is the final showdown between Obi-Wan and Maul, after the energy gates finally open and Obi-Wan goes crazy on Maul. The emotion is there. The brutality is there. Unfortunately, it's over very quickly. But by the time I sat watching Anakin and Obi-Wan going at each other two movies later, I couldn't believe how bored I was by it all. The fight was long and it was intricately choreographed, and I think maybe that's a lot of the problem. It was sooooo choreographed that I was always aware of the actors furiously concentrating on getting all the moves right instead of... acting. There will be some of you who disagree with me, but the whole duel was just a boring, soulless exercise in sword choreography shot against a green screen. It should have been one of, if not THE most dramatic and emotional duels in the saga, but it was just as wooden and emotionally distant as the rest of the PT. Ultimately, I'll take Vader vs. Luke in either "Empire" or "Jedi" any day of the week over any fight in the PT.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST

    You're saying that only out of a sense of nostalgia.

    by MajorFrontbum

    Pull your head out of your arse for one moment and take a look at the real world.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST


    by notcher

    Man I miss the good "Star Wars." Can't we wipe the prequels out and start over with a good writer and director? Please?

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Story, drama, emotion trump choreography every time.

    by BackwardGalaxy

    Yeah, I copied skraggo's comment title. So what? It's not like skraggo said word for word almost everything I wanted to say or anything... oh wait, yeah, it is like that. Return of the Jedi's duel at the end, after Luke has had enough of Vader's taunting, wasn't a boring choreographed dance number with play swords. It was one really really really pissed off dude wanting to hack an evil son of a bitch into pieces with a dangerous weapon. It was pure emotion. It wasn't Luke remembering this, that, this, that, in order... It was Luke swinging wildly and with all his might at someone he wanted dead with every fiber of his being. It was glorious, dramatic, emotional, and PURPOSEFUL. Nothing in the prequel trilogy came close to that moment.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Something to remember: Prequels vs. OT

    by amrcanpoet

    Somethings to remember: 1. Luke was never formally trained in how to use a lightsaber. Yes, Yoda did train him in the ways of the force, but more about the "force" side of things, not the lightsaber-weilding side of things. So, he would never be as elegant with a saber as other padawans/Jedis in the prequels would be. 2. Vader would have very stunted movements with the lightsaber on account of him not have any real hands or legs. He couldn't very well do spins and jumps like Darth Maul, or hell, even when he was Anakin. As is pointed out in RotS and hinted at in ANH, he's almost like a Sith Frankenstein. 3. Prequels were supposed to have more elaborate swordplay, because we were witnessing the evolution of almost 2,000 years worth of Jedi lightsaber training. Now, all of this flows with the mythology, but as someone else pointed out earlier, Lucas was already on the record back in 1983/4 as saying that the reason the lightsaber movements were more slow and deliberate was because the sabers were supposed to be heavy. But, since when do we let Lucas' comments interfere with our enjoyment of the movies?

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    That is Peter Diamond in the second picture

    by Zappatude

    He was later beheaded by Connor MacLeod at Madison Square Garden.

  • Jan. 7, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST

    *It's Clobberin Time!*

    by Have_Penis_Will_Travel

    Thanks for the awesome Quint

  • is because you are completely delusional. I don't care if you have been practicing Kendo for 30 years. If someone comes at you with a sabre or long sword, and comes at you with the intent to KILL you...I absolutely guarantee that the "choreographed" dance moves you use in traditional martial arts class will go out the window. You will do anything to protect yourself, and will react mostly on instict. Yes, due to your supposedly better physical conditioning and a bit of mental muscle training, you might be able to apply a FEW blocks you learned to prevent the guy from severing your head from your neck. But besides the very intial moments of engagement (and if your not only lucky, but are talented and keep your head together), it will likely devolve into a free for all hack and slash, which itself will most likely last less then a minute. The moment someone gets hit or seriously cut, GAME OVER. The only real Martial Arts are those that actually put it to the test in the real ring of combat (such as Muay Tai). I would love to see how long a real fight lasted with just two practitioners going at it (for real) using two wooden staffs with no padding/protection. I'm guessing a real-life fight between two combatants using sharpened steel blades would last less then a minute.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    The duels in the original three were good for their time

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Some of the moves still look good, but the fights don't really hold up to today's frenetically choreographed and over-edited fight scenes. My nephew thought the original three were pretty lame, having seen the wretched prequels first. In fact, he found them humorous. But he's a kid and he was seduced by the glitz of today's FX and stuntwork. He was too young to see how badly written the prequels were, and how very awful the performances were. It was probably that reaction that made Lucas obsessive about glitzing up the original three. That only made some of the very cheesy sets look even dumber against the more modern FX. Cool pix.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Oh wow, so many buddies are chatting

    by ajit maholtra

    Helloooooooooooo all buddies. I am ajit.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    It's obvious...

    by Brian

    .....that you just got.......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .................coxxed!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    More Star Wars Original Trilogy pics plz...

    by ChickenStu

    Fucking love this shit!

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by Ciderman

    I showed the whole 6 movies to a mate, in the order they were made, she had never seen any of them up to that point. She thought the sabre battles in the original movies dull, particularly the scene in ep4, and loved the battles in the prequels. This is not an opinion I share, but then my appreciation of the series is also coupled with my love of the story and not a small amount of nostalgia, it must be said.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Yes, looks like...

    by Darth Scourge

    Definitely looks like Peter Diamond in the second pic. Peter worked on all three of the original SW movies in various capacities, including as actor, stunt man, and fight arranger. He also worked on Raiders, Highlander, the Bond films, Doctor Who, Hammer movies, An American Werewolf In London, and a ton of other stuff. Peter Diamond passed away in 2004.

  • So yes, I indeed do know of what I speak - The Israeli instructor of my class would have us blindfolded, then surrounded by 3 classmates, then forced to "react" to random attack / choke scenarios which could be anything from being picked up off the ground, punched, pushed, you get the idea... Point is someone 'coming at me' with a sword has most likely selected that weapon with some modicum of training with it (else, they'd more likely have a gun, shoot me, and be done with it). Again, sparring includes weapons, so 'random' attack scenarios = Also covered My assessment stands = Prequel swordplay = Awesome, OT = Ho-hum

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by Jim Halpert

    Now THAT would be great, an awesome tribute to him for his work on the OT. Which means, of course, it'll never happen. Instead, Lucas will give us Jar Jar in Senate Robes.

  • I guess after 35 years all our heros are getting on or gone now. RIP Bob.

  • fuck up young Skywalker.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    old vs new

    by sokitome

    hate the prequels love the OT as movies BUT as far as lightsaber battles go I always thought a battle between JEDI would look choreographed and intricate as in the prequels because 1) it has been established that JEDI's are somewhat psychic. They can predict laser blasts and deflect them and have incredible reflexes, as to why anakin could pod race when no other humanoids could. so if this is the case a sword fight between two jedi would be a constant stream of slashes and parry's because of this ability. Factor that in with elevated physical attributes such as leaping and speed from using the force and then you get the highly choreographed look. 2) how can a lightsaber have a lot of weight when all of it is in the hilt? I always imagined the weight to be comparable to swinging around a flashlight. if the blade is light and has no weight then incredible spins and slashes could be accomplished. I just don't see how you can say a fight between two superhuman beings (yes Jedi are that) would look anything like a real world fight

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    A legend.

    by Mike

    You can really feel Bob's influence in Lord of the Rings, in the scenes where Aragorn sword fights with either the wraiths or Uruk-hai. It plays like a Star Wars lightsaber fight.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    And tritium...

    by obijuanmartinez

    In Kenjutsu, sparring contests ARE short - SUPER short - you are spot-on on that point. You have the Chinese to thank for long-winded sword choreography (in fact, the choreographed element of the Chinese martial arts, and all the time I spent staring at myself in a mirror rather than an opponent were what led me away from kung-fu after 5 years in the Northern Shaolin discipline of Tien-Shan Pai) To me Japanese fencing is much more 'authentic' than Chinese. The sword fight in Revenge of the Sith is almost laughable in its length and scope, but still draws me more in for overall technique than does Empire or Jedi. More to your point on shortness of sparring rounds - typically, there is point sparring (first-contact gets point = round over), and open sparring (rounds of 1 minute or so = anything goes). Shortest round I've ever participated in involved no head-gear and use of heavier-wood Bokken: My sensei landed a hand-shot square in the middle of my forehead, and I began to bleed like an extra from a zombie film - lasted all of 15-20 seconds - game over!

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Nice homage, but shut the fuck up.

    by drompter

    You hate the prequels, we get it. And give a fuck in the process.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by Dr Eric Vornoff

    Telegraph in this context does not mean 'conveying an idea indirectly or without words', rather it is more a synonym for foreshadowing, ie. subtly setting up or suggesting something which will happen later in the story. It doesn't have to be non-verbal and it isn't a buzzword, it's had that meaning for a long time.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Hitchcock-Adidas-Lighsaber: Awesome.

    by phifty2

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Lightsaber! With a T Fuck Edit Button

    by phifty2

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    Originally Lucas wanted it to be real hard to use a lightsaber. Like with all the energy in them they would move real slow, almost in slow motion. Glad he at least nixed that idea.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    One can never hate on the Prequels enough...

    by Ryan

    because they are THAT terrible. FACT.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    I agree with you. The OT saber fights were good because of the drama behind them but in technique,style, offence/defence, the PT got it right. I mean, I think I could beat Vader in ANH.

  • I say 5 years when the next big child raping occurs.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by proevad

    Stole my fucking line. Hehe

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Ojibway Martino

    by I_am_not_Henry_Silva

    Didn't they teach you about quiet and serenity and such? Pretty wordy and show-offy for a Blind Master Po!

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Favorite moment for me....

    by notcher

    Will always be the entire Vader vs Luke ROTJ duel. When Vader finally starts looking back and forth between the Emperor and Luke's frying body and you can just tell he is changing, then all of a sudden Vader moves to The Emperor and lifts him up as the brilliant music picks up and Vader tosses Sidious off the bridge, I wanna cry every time. GREAT MOMENT! Definitely my fav! Goosebumps just thinking about it. Lucas may have screwed up the prequels, but I thank him for bringing us the originals.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    Yeah but know you have the "no's" in that scene.

  • You heard it here first!

  • And I'm being serious. It's frigging awesome.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Revenge of the Sith's duel is pretty awesome too.

    by Yelsaeb

    I love how its two blue sabers fighting. It was cool to see that.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Harry Dean Stanton...

    by ryderdvs

    I didn't know that he was Prowse's fencing double.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Star Wars fans have such a hilarious need...

    by locke815

    ... To find ways to explain plot holes. They act as if these movies are the real world and any discrepancies MUST have a good explanation. I mean, really, people are arguing about how light sabers must be heavy or light or imbalanced in some way? They aren't real!! I suppose when the two-headed alien narrating the pod races quoted Bob Costas all you grand-unification-theory fans were wracking your brains to explain how that happened.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by LLcruize2

    I have to call B.S. on the jabs at the prequel saber fights not having character. This continual blind reverance for everthing to do with the OT is sad. The saber fight in Ep I continues to be played out by kids today. Neeson, McGregor and Parks all had very distinct styles that brought a new level of atheticsim and CHARACTER to the finale fight. The saber fight in Ep II was less dramatic, but more about showing what still needed to be learned by Obi Wan and Anakin. The saber fight in Ep III took all the elements of Ep I's fight and lessons learned in Ep II and brought a whole new emotional element. It was equal parts emotion, physical and endurance. McGregor's great deliver and facial expression when he pleads with Anakin and finally resigns he will be forced to dispatch his one padawan and friend, is right on par with Luke's final emotional burst upon Vador towards the end of their fight in Ep IV.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Amen locke815

    by LLcruize2

    There is a select group of 40-something and older crowd that has created an alter to the OT. Every single complaint about the PT can be leveled against the OT. The difference, these folks are seeing the PT as middle-aged adults. I was 11, 14 and 17 when the OT first came out, so I am one of those 40-somethings. I have sons that saw the PT at those ages. They see the OT as fun, but quaint. I continue to enjoy both the OT and PT. I have stayed away from the alter and instead continue to have fun with a story I grew up with.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Now not know. Fuck!

    by phifty2

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by MikeTheSpike

    Thanks for explaining who Sebastian Shaw is. Everyone here at aicn was confused.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    You guys already heard of the buger chain with the "Dark Vador" burger right?

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    The bun is black. I'm not talking pumpernickel, I'm talking looks burnt to a crisp black. I wish they had them here, but it's from Quik, a burger chain from Belgium.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    yelsaeb, I don't know about greatest, but when they all drop their cloaks, and

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Maul lit the other end of his light saber you knew the shit was on.

  • The story was flawed and some of the acting was horrible, and don't get me started on JarJar, but I loved the lightsabre fights, they were the best parts of the trilogy. And if the weapons were supposed to be really heavy, I *never* got that feeling from watching any of them; the movies failed to convey that. The best that can be said is the prequel trilogy gave the feeling that the blades had some weight to them so they could have momentum, but this here is the first time I've ever heard that the weapons were supposed to be heavy like broadswords. Having said that, nobody should judge the OT sword fights by the original Star Wars. That movie the actors were fighting with glass rods and had to be careful not to shatter them.

  • that you felt watching a videogame.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Sorry, but you just don't understand movies. And I hate the nostalgia argument because it's totally ignorant. THE MATRIX is better than THE MATRIX RELOADED and THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS. I saw the first one in my late 20's and the two sequels a mere 4 years later, and it wasn't nostalgia for the first that made me think the two sequels were inferior. It was the fact that they ARE inferior that makes me think that. The OT is better than the PT in every way possible. You can name any aspect of making cinema, and I can tell you why the OT is better than the PT. Here's merely one example: The interiors of the PT are shot (lighting AND blocking) like a soap opera. Why is that? Because the director of photography and a lot of the crew came from television. Why did the OT look so cinematic? Because the British crew ALL came from feature films. Just one of 1000 reasons the OT is better than the PT.

  • Jan. 8, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    More examples

    by one9deuce

    1) STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KHAN is better than STAR TREK:INSURRECTION 2) ALIEN is better than ALIENS VS PREDATOR 3) JAWS is better than JAWS: THE REVENGE 4) SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE is better than SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE Nostalgia is the reason the OT is so revered?? Get the fuck out of here with that weak shit.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by phifty2

    Yeah but those Brits insisted on having fucking tea time during the shoot. Or was that ALIENS and Cameron?

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Sing it one9deuce! I agree!!!

    by welcometothepartypal

    Back to Lightsabres. I realize in the PT the Jedi were well established and all. But the lightsabres in those movies were so AVAILABLE. No mystery/magic, like in the OT. If felt Anakin or Obiwan would pull it out just to slice some goddamn bread.

  • Jan. 9, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST


    by LLcruize2

    Now we are saying the damn light sabers had so much more mythical air about them in the OT? Give me a damn break. The light sabers were so damn mystical that Luke is able to fire one up and in two attempts block a training droid's laser blasts. Yeah, man that is so mystical and powerful. After the weak-ass Vador/Obi Wan "fight", we don't see the mighty light sabers wielded again. And oh, the light saber is so bad ass in New Hope we see Luke pull it out to battle the Storm Troopers....wait, he didn't do a damn thing with it, he used his blaster. And wait a minute, why the fuck didn't Luke use the light sabe one time during the great prison break and chase? Wow, it is truly shown to be some kind of bad ass weapon it is fucking forgotten about. And OMG, those interiors, oh shit, those interiors for every scene in the OT were absolutely brilliant, brilliant I tell you. Not once did Yoda's hut or the Ewok tree house ever look like a cardboard box set against a painting. Or better yet, the interior cockpits of the ships in the OT, those were a thing of beauty, so much so through the whole last battle in New Hope not once did it look like they were in nothing more than a box that was being rocked back and forth and side to side. Nevermind the fact there is shot after shot of the X-Wings showing a clean gliding motion which makes the whole damn rocking motion make absolutely no damn sense and looks fake as hell. Oh, but it is the holy fucking grail OT, so it is the best damn thing ever.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Peter Diamond in the second pic

    by Keith

    Stunt co-ordinator extraordinaire. Also played the tusken raider who attacks Luke, and Fasil in Highlander (the guy MacLeod fights and defeats in the car park under Madison Square Garden near the start).

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    llcruize2.....jeeeze, and I quote-

    by welcometothepartypal

    but it is the holy fucking grail OT, so it is the best damn thing ever.

  • Jan. 10, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    It's not just nostalgia.

    by Skraggo

    I think llcruize2's nostalgia argument is a little weak, AND I'm seeing a lot of that argument on the TB's these days whenever a geek favorite from yesteryear gets praise. (See Nordling's THE WRATH OF KHAN article. --- TB'ers there claiming that KHAN is overrated and weak??????? Yeah, it's just an opinion, but HOW does one honestly arrive at that opinion unless it's just some kind of backlash, contrarian stance?) Sure, nostalgia IS a factor in why a lot of us middle-aged folks love some of these movies more than the younger generation seems to. It would be really disingenuous to claim that we aren't at least partially swayed by nostalgia. But I also agree with one9deuce that --- in the case of the two Star Wars trilogies --- there is an arguable difference in quality between the OT and PT. I completely disagree with anyone who says the OT suffers from the same weaknesses we complain about in the PT. In my opinion, the entire OT could be shot against a painted cardboard background and it still beats the PT based on the characters alone! I'm not saying everyone has to love the OT as much as I do. Everyone is entitled to their own subjective opinion. And I can fully believe that someone who saw the PT as a child would be a lot easier on it, or even dare I say -- nostalgic -- for it. But I honestly believe than in any rational, critical discussion of the two trilogies the OT simply scores higher. Personally, I feel really lucky to have been a kid when the original Star Wars came out. It infused most of my childhood. It infused all of my friends' childhoods. I wouldn't trade my Star Wars nostalgia for anything. But as a grown man and a film lover I am absolutely capable of weighing the two trilogies on their own merits. And on my scorecard, it's the OT by a mile.