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Is TV’s SHERLOCK Playing Harry Mudd In J.J. Abrams' Next STAR TREK??
Deadline Hollywood reports exclusively that the fellow who plays Smaug The Dragon in the "Hobbit” movies will also be a cast member of the next “Star Trek” movie.
Benedict Cumberbatch appears to be everywhere these days. He’s on the big screen in “Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy” and “War Horse” and he’s on the small screen playing the title role in the BBC’s “Sherlock.”
No word on who Cumberbatch plays. Is the world ready for a skinny Harry Mudd?
He’s terrific in “Sherlock.” I’ve not seen the movies.
Peter Weller ("Star Trek: Enterprise"), Alice Eve ("She's Out Of My League") and Noel Clarke ("Doctor Who") are also aboard for the next Trek.
Though J.J. Abrams did not end up taking a writing credit on the last “Star Trek” he directed, he is credited alongside Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof on the new one.
The latest adventures of Kirk, Spock and company finally arrive May 2013.
No word on a title, but I have my fingers crossed for "Star Trek XII: The Horta Way."
Find all of Deadline’s exclusive here.
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how much longer are they going to drag this out...
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Great News! But: "Though J.J. Abrams did not taking a writing credit "? What is up with not checking the grammar, Herc?
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Wait, what? They're still trying to do Star Trek movies? Okay. Good luck with that.
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had to do it :)
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Jan. 4, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST
Though J.J. Abrams did not taking a writing credit on the last “Star Trek” he direceted....
by bubcus
My brain just exploded into little pieces on the floor.
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Jan. 4, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST
I'm gonna have to check out this Sherlock show one of these days.
by fustfick
This dude was terrific in TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY. Now let's see what kind of 'stache this guy can grow.
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The most obvious casting choice ever.
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Was this article proof read by a retarded monkey? I go taking a dump now...or a writing credit.
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Was hoping he'd keep the schedule open to step into the role of THE Doctor. (if and when such a time comes... Smith is fantastic) I just know he's been quoted when asked if he'd like to be a guest star on Doctor Who he's said he would NOT like to be a GUEST on Doctor Who. Emphasis on GUEST.... as in he wants to be THE Doctor.
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Let's all start lining up for tickets.
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Jan. 4, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
What's the point? the Three Stooges are making the sequel too.
by KilliK
which means it will suck nevertheless.
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unless direceted means something I don't know.
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remake of 'Face/Off' with Matt Smith and Michael Shannon. All three of them have their faces surgically removed and... thrown in the nearest medical waste bin. Script ends.
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I'm all for Star Trek II/XII being The Wrath of Mudd. Anything but another Khan retread.
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To defecate in the direction of film-goers, spraying them liberally with a steady, heavy flow of liquid shit while they open their mouths for more. Something like that, anyway.
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He makes Downey Jr.'s Sherlock look like a fucking dipshit too.
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total talent..
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Mudd's women get some of Kahn's space seed? WTF?
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"direceted" (deer-i-seeted) To sit on one's ass while others do the work. Derived from the french "derrier" and the latin "to sit".
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"direceted" (deer-i-seeted) To sit on one's ass while others do the work. Derived from the french "derrier" and the latin "to sit".
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"direceted" (deer-i-seeted) To sit on one's ass while others do the work. Derived from the french "derrier" and the latin "to sit".
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Dude looks like a Vulcan already. Minimal makeup required... My vote is that he'll be playing Surak.
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Jan. 4, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
Naturally, when Nero's ship destroyed the Kelvin, it resulted in Harry Mudd being taller, thinner, and not bald.
by Greggers
That damned Kelvin really was the Hand of Destiny. SHERLOCK is outstanding, especially because by all known laws of entertainment and even mathematics, it should suck. And Cumberbach is great in it. I recently read an excerpt from an interview where he complained about being typecast as "posh" because of his posh upbringing. As an American, I don't think I have the appropriate cultural baggage to typecast him appropriately. To wit, I'd have a no problem if he were to appear as "Bert the Chimney Sweep" in the next version of Mary Poppins, and I'm sure Bert wasn't posh. And finally, I think if he were Doctor Who, that would be WAY too on-the-nose. I mean, come on -- he's ALREADY playing a mysterious genius with a sidekick who struggles to keep up. Doctor Who would just be more of the same.
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I've only seen the first three! FACT! Where can I find the fourth?
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Jan. 4, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
So I guess I will have to watch the Sherlocks now....but ..you know that HAIR :) Wow.
by Longtime Lurker
What is up with the 'do? I just don't know if I can sit through multiple episodes of that. :)
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His hair works perfectly for the "If you weren't so worried about my hair, you might have noticed that this window is locked from the outside" character he plays.
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Jan. 4, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
Anyone who can't spell "Khan" should be banned for life...
by robogeek.com
...and have their geek privileges revoked (esp. as it's been pretty much confirmed that Khan's not in the film). But Cumberbatch = awesomeness.
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http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/04/brit-actor-noel-clarke-joins-star-trek-sequel-cast/
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He will be playing Gary Seven. Featured in the last episode of the second season of the original Star Trek television series, "Assignment: Earth," the character, originally portrayed by actor Robert Lansing was a human who lived on Earth but who worked for the inhabitants of another planet. The character was also used in subsequent novelizations in which he had numerous dealings with Khan Noonien Singh. The character will be introduced in order to create a spin-off franchise for Paramount and J.J. Abrams. Trust me.
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...and it's the same role both Edgar Ramirez and Benicio del Toro were up for previously.
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are you fucking kidding me? who is going to play? a black redshirt who keeps getting saved by Kirk in the same fashion that it happened in Dr Who?
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Yet for some reason the article and the headline randomly decide to suggest he's playing Mudd?
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is it not already obvious?
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These Trek Talkbacks just are not the same without the sparks of that online love affair. Orci is working...if you can call anything in the business "Working", but Asi has no excuse for not being here lighting up the interweb
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Hyperbolic exaggeration is the bedrock that AICN journalism is built upon.
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and it seems he might be playing his Enterprise John Paxton role as a Human supremacist, I would venture BC is going to be playing a counter Vulcan supremacist who might be plotting to take over Earth after Vulcan was destroyed.
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it has been confirmed by the real Orci.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST
@dougmckenzie good point.Cumberbatch does make a great Vulcan.
by KilliK
Maybe JJ saw his Sherlock performance,as a calculative genius who follows facts and cold logic and decided that he would have been perfect to play an emotionless Vulcan. Maybe he is going to play Spock's brother?
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If that Orci is a fake he has his own sister and father duped; and that Orci has been here.
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The Final Frontier story had a lot of potential... but the execution was terrible. But all this speculation is probably for naught, because in the end they'll probably go with a brand new villain.
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judging from his hair
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for new Trek. Please take this away from J.J. and give it to someone who wants to do a new tv series.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST
It's great that people aren't feeding people who tpe in caps for attention.
by ToughGuyRizzo
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I guess they want even more people who can't act because the first didn't have enough.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 2:33 a.m. CST
He's a good actor. Very, in fact. And could be a great director in the future. (he's good now)
by gotilk
I just wish he wasn't playing a young Palpatine who grows up to be good because he never trains Luke Pike to be Darth Surak.
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Having hated the last one, and never liking the character of Harry Mudd in the first place, I think this officially kills the movie franchise for me, in the way that Voyager killed the TV show for me. It's dead Jim.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST
Has the STAR TREK 2 PR machine gone to the casting mystery well one too many times?
by Margot Tenenbaum
Phasers on target
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is a good guy and I'm glad to see him making inroads in Hollywood.
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He looks more like a young Ben Cross. Please no more time travel stuff. Has anyone noticed that Shatner appears to have lost a decent amount of weight? Cameo?
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Whenever you find out about casting you just pull another Trek Character name out of a hat and joke that the actor is possibly playing the character? Because if it is - stop it - you're upsetting the kids. Cumberbatch is very good though and IF they were going down the route of reimagining some of the original episodes he would make an interesting Gary Mitchell but I doubt that this will be a remake of any particular episode - though Gary Mitchell is one character that I think has potential.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST
There's a big budget, exciting, perfectly executed blockbusting Holmes sequal out now...there's also a 'thing' in the cinema. Eggs Benedict is the man. Fact.
by Stephen Farrell
Sherlock is truly inspiring television. The last episode was better than most films released this year, hairstandinguponthebackofyourneckgoodness.
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this makes me happy
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Benedict Cumberbatch is way too talented and wanted for better roles than Dr Who,Matt Smith and all that shite Amy Pond bollocks has killed it for me,I don't think any actor,male or female,black or white will be touching Dr Who for a while.As for Benedict Cumberbatch in Star Trek it has to be a captains role,as all British actors with his talent are suited to that in Star Trek
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I respect him.
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Have you just made that up??
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a certain bald Captain of another Enterprise? Make it so!
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST
Mudd? What a pointless character. Just make this guy Doctor Who already.
by Tristan
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No word on who Cumberbatch plays. Is the world ready for a skinny Harry Mudd?
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...Finnegan in a feature length version of 'Shore Leave.'
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Jan. 5, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST
So now Harry Mudd is tall, legant and handsome instead of fat and ugly?
by AsimovLives
Well, at least it will believable why Harry Mudd can get so many women do his bidding. I mean, it's Benedict Cumberbatch. His voice alone makes all the women who have not swore undying fidelity to Sean Bean get totally in Cumberbatch's mercy. His female fans call themselves the Cumberbitches. No kidding!
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Jan. 5, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST
"he (JJ Assbrams) is credited alongside Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof on the new one (Shit Trek)." There goes the neighbourhood!
by AsimovLives
I find it fascinating that it takes 4 guys to write a Star Trek story. This cunts, it takes them 4 of them to write one movie. Amazing!! I wonder how they divide the workload. Do they divide it by scenes or actions or characters? One writes the action scenes, the other the dialogue scenes, the other the toilet scenes, etc? I never ceases to amazing me on how many bad writers it take to write for one movie. small wonder this movies look so ungainly and incoherent, as if writen by comité. Which they are.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST
yes, JJ Assbrams doing writing duties now is what will save the next Pseudo Trek movie. Because he did such a brillant writing job on SuperHyped 8.
by AsimovLives
And yes, that's scarcams, you JarJarHeads.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST
"The latest adventures of NuKirky, EmoSpock and company of unlikable idiots finally arrive too soon." That's how it should had been writen.
by AsimovLives
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That means you spent the whole night watching the 4 episodes of SHERLOCK, since each lasts 90 minutes.
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Come on! Who doesn't want to see Khan lounging with a few tribble buddies, sipping Tiki drinks... hmmm... perhaps genetically enhanced Tribbles with fancy braids are in order????
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Duh...
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....Cumberbatch is going to be playing a Romulan (He's too skinny to be Harry Mudd, Khan, Klingon, etc,) and Clarke will be a cadet that gets killed in the first 10 minutes...Cool.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST
Just to clarify...Cumberbatch = Romulan, Clarke = Cadet who gets killed in first ten minutes!!!
by Mike Holdbrook
There you have it...
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they should really just try to come up with a new/original/good/memorable star trek story.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST
Is anyone going to air or otherwise make available the Frankenstein show he was in?
by bah
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Harry Mudd is fat and late middle aged.
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There was this rumor on Badass News back in October of 2010 with the obligatory anonymous "source" that claimed "It’s definitely a character that will make fans of TOS excited. Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually it’s one of those that I named." http://www.badassdigest.com/2010/10/25/scoop-no-khan-in-star-trek-2-so-who-will-kirk-co-face Mudd makes little sense for Cumberbatch and the Gary Mitchell storyline was recently updated in the STAR TREK ongoing comic series from IDW Publishing, so if that old rumor actually turns to be legit, maybe Cumberbatch is Trelane?
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the ending solution IS a big explosion... rather than in old boring Star Trek, where there is a big explosion that is a by-product of the thought-out solution. Good Lord. I think I'd rather watch the Whales again.
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AICN talkbackers must be getting old. They see these mid-30s actors and think they're in their 20s (see also: the guy who's playing Q. The Bond Q, not the Trek Q)
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Huge Trek fan but Mudd is the most annoying Trek character of the franchise. I really hope that this is just a bad rumor.
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...to learn how to spell the name "Khan"? It's FOUR FUCKING LETTERS. K H A N People who continue to write "Kahn" are bafflingly retarded. I mean, do you also write "Jhon" and "Pual" on a frequent basis? Fuck me ragged.
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...and enough with the retreads. I don't want another re-imagining, unless I get to imagine that this never gets made.
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I've no idea who Cumberpatch is playing, but he's a very talented actor so the idiots they've got shitting out the script can rely on him to make the drivel sound good.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
He's more of a prick than Branaugh was when he was on the rise
by proevad
I like that, and I like him. Cocky is good.
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you've been warned.
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Spike in Cowboy Bebop.
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there's no way Abrams would have directed Star Trek 2 as his next gig.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST
I'm confused by the headline here, are you asking 'us' if he's playing an unknown character in the next Star Trek movie? Surely we come here to find out these things....Take two pills and the doctor will see you tomorrow.
by cameron
I'd like him to play a rival Vulcan if he is in Star Trek. Benedicts aloofness and cool English charm makes him a shoe in to verbally Bitch slap Spock and become the Alpha Vulcan.
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Of course, he is going to say that it's not him. He doesn't want anything he may say here to come back to haunt him. He gets to have his cake and eat it too. In fact, the only reason he hasn't been here lately is probably because his agent told him not to.
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the views expressed by boborci are meant to represent a "talkback" character whose views do not necessarily represent the views of Roberto Orci. So when I tell you to go fuck yourselves, it is only for entertainment purposes. So go fuck yourselves.
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born to play Mudd.
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Come on, Cumberbatch IS going to play Gary Mitchell, isn't he? No answer would lie an actual answer... ;-)
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Nurse Chapel.
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They won't go back to the Romulans so quickly, and if BC is getting a lead role he's perfect for either of the first two. My guess is Gary Mitchell, he's the right age and temperament to play off of Chris Pine as a competing hotshot in Starfleet. Otherwise, I could see them going the route of the Talosian/Pike story and BC is just a secondary starship captain that is ordered to stop Kirk from helping his mentor...yada yada yada.
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Yeah..... but no....
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the weird-assed looking alien in the silver robe at the end of the OS end credits. (Sorry, not a Trekkie, so I don't know what the name of that species is although I should since I owned that action figure when I was a kid.) Sans makeup.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
Nowhere does it say he's playing Mudd, its a joke people
by sunwukong86
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Jan. 5, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
Goddamn it...I fall asleep and go to work and see what I miss!
by conspiracy
Ahhhh...the old crew here and happily busting each others chops...it's like a family afflicted with Tourette's having a reunion. And Bob...if you are in fact Twitter Bob; it is good too see you understand the larger issues at play here and MUCH respect from this anarchist. Fathers Office...the beer is on me.
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You watch.
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And he'll play the Time Lord? Awww...who cares. As long as he's not playing Kahn. Sounds likely he's playing someone like Trelane or even better -- "Mr. Flynt" from Requiem for Methuselah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_Methuselah
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_Methuselah Would actually make a pretty damn good movie plot.
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...get Benjamin Bratt. He channels Ricardo Montalban in guest appearances as Javier on "Modern Family." Best thing I've seen him do. Ever.
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has he been cast yet. Why wasnt he in the first star trek
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"He who can not be named" might as well be invisible. And people say we have a "Free Press"...lol Bought and Sold say I...
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Maybe the next Star Trek movie will end with Kirk bashing Cumberbatch's head in with a bowling pin.
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I can see them going bad after what happened in the last movie. I'd like to see things really diverge from the original, maybe the Vulcans turn into the new Romulans, but worse.
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Honestly I don't know why so many are. He's fucking annoying.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST
stabby - the episode is The Corbomite Maneuver, and that alien is in truth:
by Damned if I can login
...not an alien at all, but a puppet. And I'm not being sarcastic, in the episode it's actually a puppet used to scare the Enterprise crew.
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Could be one of the Olympian Gods, ala Who Mourns for Adonis
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Jan. 5, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
If he's playing a Romulan - "Balance of Terror" might be the plotline.
by Hesiod2k7
Hmmmm.....
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Jan. 5, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
Y'know, I've seen Jack Black's name mentioned for many roles that were NOT right, but he'd make a good Harry Mudd
by Damned if I can login
I can't believe I just said that....but he could play Mudd.
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totally agree. When arguing with friends, the corruption of the msm is the hardest part for them to believe. Even when you quote former CIA director Colby, who said, ""The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." Or Bernstein's book discussing the same subject.
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Anyone else ever read "Q Squared"? Q vs. Trelane was a hell of a story, and I've always wanted to see one of the mercurial godlings portrayed on the big screen. Honestly, the biggest question I have for the new Trek Universe is this: What kind of character does this strange new Federation have after the destruction of one of it's charter worlds to a madman with future tech? Can the Federation survive intact with a new race of paranoid nomadic Vulcans? What are the Klingons and Romulans doing in response to what happened? Do the Andorians or Tellerites become a bigger influence in the UFP now? Random things I think about, because I am a geek.
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Cumberbatch will play Spock's rival Stan. This will have all the things that they will want in the next movie and which they set up in the first. Conflict with the love between Spock and Uhura. Conflict between Spock and Kirk who acts as the rival to save Spock. It will be filled with character development and help establish the friendship bonds between the trio. The only problem--easily taken care of-- is to have it take place on a different planet than Vulcan. In fact, now that Vulcan is gone it will add to Spock's motivation to marry and reproduce in order to preserve Vulcan identity and heritage. I am betting this is what the movie will be.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
As long as Seth McFarlane doesn't have a cameo, I'm on board
by Von_Trierstein
In my star trek universe he is the black hole that sucks the integrity out of everything... although I would still see it anyways.
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he said sarcastically.
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Why do you torture yourself by coming onto these boards? And, I for one, really liked the last Star Trek. Doesn't anyone have any fun anymore? I guess haters gotta hate. And in what respect did anyone remotely connected to the franchise say anything about cumberbatch playing Mudd, except for the wild speculation making it into the title of this article???
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And was written by a talkback regular, Peter David (no, really!). I just finished series one of Sherlock yesterday, and loved it (except Moriarity, like everyone else). Cumberbatch would be a perfect Vulcan. And as someone above said Deadline reports that he landed the role of the villain. So, my guess, based on the other people who were up for the role, is some sort of Klingon general.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
etienne -- I torture myself because I care, alright... I care about the fans (tearing up)
by Boborci
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I definitely could see him as Trelane or Q, but please keep Harry Mudd out of this series.
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Atonement, true story. Good actor, plays a creep really well.
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have mercy, not everybody in the west is familiar with sikh names and culture.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
I was hoping for the Tribble Queen as the antagonist.
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
Get away from her [The Enterprise], you BITCH!
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Jan. 5, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST
i don't believe boborci is the real Orci, no matter how much he shouts, kicks and screams that he is.
by AsimovLives
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Jan. 5, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
Tribbles don't need queens, they are the ultimate communists.
by AsimovLives
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@themikejonas how can it be "another" retread if there has been only one movie with Khan?
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But we'll see. This guy just doesn't come off slimy enough, although he's a fantastic actor....we'll see.
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He sounds gay. Besides we all know the next trek is about the bar-code scanners on the bridge.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST
boborci...It is hard having discussions with anyone anymore...
by conspiracy
That Salon piece was one of the best pieces of actual journalism I've read in many years...did you find it off of LR?
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Jan. 5, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
asimovlives...If Orci here is Orci I know from Twitter, then it is Roberto.
by conspiracy
No fake would post personal pics of another guys one eyed Beagle for fucks sake...unless he had NO life.
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And Scotty has an alien monkey butler. And space is yellow. Thank you, JarJar Abrams.
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is indeed Roberto Orci. He confirmed as much when I met him at Comic Con a few years ago.
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Zachary was not a bad choice, but Cumberbatch would have been better. Harry Mudd he is not! I'm sure that was a joke, but what a poor choice of villain.
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He looks like a good replacement for William Campbell in the part. I don't buy Herc's thought of him playing Mudd. I would see getting Nick Frost to play Mudd (or Cyrano Jones).
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
boborci...I know the site, visit Lewrockwell.com as well...
by conspiracy
I gotta tell you Bob...you got a lot of guts taking the position you are in the business you're in...people have been blackballed for less down there. Given the "discussions" in my business world (Finance, Retail...), I can only imagine the arguments with your associates...like arguing with Zombies (as it is here) I'd imagine. Real Freedom and Real Peace is a damned hard sell...
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well, it would make things interesting.
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it all depends if Abrams wants to continue to play with the time travel elements. Maybe we get Gary Seven AND Buckaroo Banzai, in a story with the Enterprise doing time travel (again).
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
doctortom ans Spyguy..Agreed, he'd make a great Trelane...
by conspiracy
and the Q, if indeed Trelane was, would make for a very Trekish story...Less Bang Boom, more Adventure and Discovery.
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This is gonna suck. Very sad news.
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Randomly off-topic, I wonder what a documentary about talkbackers would look like?
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yeah it's pretty bad. The part I really hate, though, is when people say they agree AND DO NOTHING! Not even, simply, open discussions about it with their peers.
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A women of such overwhelming cuteness she can melt the coldest of vulcan hearts with just a smile.
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I'm about to make a deal with the Empire that will hopefully keep them off my back forever.
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only a lunatic withyout a life outside his bedroom walls would want to impersonate one of holyeod's worst hacks. But such people exist and bobbyboy is one of those. boborci being the real deal? the real orci would become a real writer first, and that will never happen a loony impersonating an hack. a festival of sadness.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
boborci...It is because they do not want to get branded...
by conspiracy
Lets face it, the propaganda machine has done it's job well; and to take an hard position against or even so much as openly question the prevailing ideology of ones peers and associates takes a bravery most people simply do not have. Nobody likes being branded by the labels readily supplied by the Machine Roberto..., and people in general just want to get by as best they can and watch sports on Sunday while in the back of their closed small minds just hope it all goes away without touching them or their children. Ideological cowardice and apathy is the reason troops were sent into the grinder of WW1, the reason Jews were marched into gas chambers, and the reason liberals in America excuse the NDAA and Conservatives support foreign Intervention...
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
by knowitallfromcali: "Cumberbatch would have made an excellent Spock."
by AsimovLives
I'm thinking the same thing. i like the casting of Zachary Quinto as Spock, but come to think of it, Benedict Cumberbatch would make an even better spock. he can play great intelligence and aloofness very well and extremely believable. Also, don't forget, he once played Stephen Hawkings in a BBC Tv movie. Think about that.
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I say that if we get a new Mudd, let it be Bruce Campbell. He's got the humor for it, and I think he'd give the role just enough of the sinister air it requires.
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It would look like the documentary TREKKIES, the one with Denise Crosby as presenter.
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I am only following some of what you guys are going on about, but it almost sounds like a Chomsky-like kind of thing. Close?
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untolf european lives were wasted and lost because the americans took their sweet time to go to WWI. Had they hurried up, the war had finished much sooner and with less loss of lives. And the world is fucked up at is is thanks to unchecked actions of the right all over the world. Or you could be right, in that the world is fucked up because the liberals. but for somke woierd ass reason nobody can understand, the americans equate liberal with left-wing, when in fact liberalism is a right winger movement. but that just shows that there is no true left in the USA, all just degrees of right.
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Chomsky has shown real cowardice on a few important topics in the last decade.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST
So Benedict Cumberbatch will get an easy paycheck. good for him.
by AsimovLives
one or two weeks daling with hacks, getting lots of money for a short period work, and then back to make quality mterial like SHERLOCK. Smart boy!
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Jan. 5, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
i wish boborci was the real Orci, so i could laught at him accusing others of intellectual cowardice.
by AsimovLives
tall words from a holywood hack who writes the dumbest stupidiest movies made this last ten years.
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and often spews hard, and oddly hypocritical, Socialist points which in the end are at odds with his professed libertarian / Anachist views. The man is a great Linguist but a lazy idealogue. Bob and I, I think, both have a healthy distrust of government in general, although I'm sure we disagree on a number of things. I can't speak for Roberto, but I guess I lean Libertarian, although personally I choose the Anarcho-Capitalist label. We are both to one degree or another Paul supporters in this latest round of "elections", if you want to call them that given the herding of public opinion the Media is doing.
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Pity, that. Almost makes me wonder if there isn't some Hari Seldon type lurking in the background, using his own equations on how people react for his own amusement.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST
asimovlives..I like you, but I won't get involved in any political or historical discussions with you.
by conspiracy
After your claim that Brazil was handed over to the Brazilians without bloodshed, and with the blessing of the Portuguese government (and I'm not talking about the powerless king); I"m of a mind we should stick to talking about film only...you're out of your element here.
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It isn't just here in the States...it is world wide. Leviathan has a long long reach.
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When I was 14 or so I was introduced to the works of Robert Heinlein. No other author has influenced how I think about life, love, government, and religion quite as much. I hesitate to apply any labels to what I believe, but they seem to be "Libertarian" when compared to what my peers believe. I tend to think that government candidates should win or lose on their own merits and records, and not what some damn idiot talking head says I SHOULD think, to be a GOOD American. Hah. Call me jaded if you must. Perhaps I just read too much. :P
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Jan. 5, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST
One of the most amusing conceits ever is that someone purporting to be hacktastic 'writer' Robert Orci
by Brian Hopper
is on AICN right now pretending to have a high-minded discussion about Noam Chomsky.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
I don't really giva damn who he is, as long as the conversation is good
by Rob Hill
Just sayin'.
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Seems to me that some folks here lose sight of what brought us all together here in the first place: a love of film. I'm not going to argue with anyone about definitions of "good" or "bad" writing/directing/film, etc. That way madness lies, it's too subjective. I honestly have yet to find a film I truly despise. I can always find something interesting, and in some cases, downright mind bending about any film you'd care to mention. Too much bickering about details. What happened to enjoying yourself? This is all simply my view, by the way. Take it or leave it. I won't argue it. :P
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come up with your own well reasoned ideology. Even if it differs from mine, you will have my respect...intellectual curiosity is the mark of a civilized man.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST
Odd place to have this discussion...lmao I'm off to paperwork all...
by conspiracy
Good talk...until later.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself, Conspiracy.
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Neh?
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Out for vengeance against the Enterprise crew for having blithely set free mastermind criminal and his arch-nemesis, Moriarty. Wrath of Holmes!
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Do we really need Mudd in the new Star Trek movie; first Khan now Mudd.... Next Morn will be showing up to take over the universe!
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Jan. 5, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST
I dont know what is worse. An Evil Dead remake with a female protagonist
by KilliK
or a new Nu Trek movie written by Bob Orci and directed by JJ. And to think that the common link between these two atrocious things is Sam Raimi and his production company...sigh...Sam what happened to you man? what?
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Benedict Cumberbatch was great in SMALL ISLAND, ATONEMENT and even as William Pitt in AMAZING GRACE. He will be a welcome addition to the film! Heck, he would have made a very capable young Picard at one time. Hmmm.
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love him in sherlock , hes on the up big time
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you obviously know very litle of the circunstances of the independence of brasil. and there was bloodshed involved in it's independence, but it was portuguese blood from a portuguese civil war of the early half of the 1800s. the independence came from a truce from that civil war. don't take my work, go read about it. Don't mistake brasil with columbia.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST
there is one stratus of society that practices the tennants of libertarianism: the criminal world.
by AsimovLives
want to see libertarianism in action? watch the crime world and how they do business and dealings with each other. it aint pretty. libertarianism, a political movement to promote social and economic irresponsability in favor of the rich and powerful.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST
back to SHERLOCK, anybody who haven't seen it yet, i beseach you to do so.
by AsimovLives
it's a truly great show. and a text book example on how to modernize a classic to today. you heard that, roberto orci? not that you could learn the lesson, anyway. because it would need intelligence, which orci does not possess.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST
I have sufficient intelligence to trick your beloved sherlock!
by Boborci
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...because his experience dabbling in politics, economics and philosophy are ridiculously futile and quixotic.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST
asimovlives, it's been confirmed many times that it is the real Boborci
by Talkbacker with no name
You on the other hand, are a fucking cartoon, mate.
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Yeah, this has been confirmed by Harry himself, as well as a handful of other AICN guys (including Herc earlier in this talkback). During some public appearance, Bob Orci has mentioned frequenting this website's talkbacks. His identity just isn't in doubt.
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Have you seen the ALCATRAZ pilot yet? If so, what do you think of it?
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
ccchhhrrriiisssmredux, right. It's in no doubt. Unlike asi's opinion on Star Trek...
by Talkbacker with no name
Did he like it or not?
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST
Boborci issssssss hack.Hack isssssss crime.Sentence isssssss Asimov.
by KilliK
So says Judge Good Cinema.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
If they ever do a Harry Mudd story, get Phillip Seymour Hoffman
by MasterShake
He could do a great Roger C Carmel. About the right size too.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
Asimov i havent watched the BBC Sherlock yet. is it as good as RDJ's Sherlock?
by KilliK
i love the new Sherlock movies,they did a great job at modernizing Holmes.But i want to see the BBC episodes too,i hear a lot of good word about them with the exception of the Moriarty.Everyone says that they have fucked him up royally.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
And speaking of Holmes,question: Should i see Holmes2 or MI4 in the cinema?
by KilliK
what do you suggest? i want to see RDJ since he is one of my favorite actor but everybody says that MI4 is the best of the series and i dont want to miss that either.So what is going to be.RDJ or the crazy scientologist?
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MI4. No question. Holmes 2 might be worth renting...on Blu Ray...during a lonely rainy day.
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and why not see both SH2 and MI4? If you can afford a computer and broadband, I'm guessing you are not on skidrow and can afford (even at todays prices) 2 cinema tickets this month. Go on. Treat yourself! Oh sorry, you were asking the god of all things film, asimov. My mistake.
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The second was decent, but didn't quite live up to the first. The ending of the third had me saying WTF out loud! It was like they never planned to do another.
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I am referring the Cumberbatch 90 min movies.
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It's an excellent episode, too.
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...possibly Sybok as others have stated, but he's also giving off a Gary Seven vibe. Given that Vulcans population has been all but decimated in the last movie, would Sybok have survived in this timeline, we can all hope not, thereby deleting star trek 5 from canon. Gary Seven seems a bit of a stretch as he seems too similar to Dr Who (Time Traveler with a sonic screw driver type device, etc.). Sorry, if i'm rambling, been drinking Jack and Cream Soda and distracted because i'm watchin' watchin tits jiggle on freeview (uk).
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Jan. 5, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
repeated watchin last sentence by accident, when the fuck are these forums gonna have an edit button.
by OptimusBob
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Edit button, html embedding, delete comment box, quote system.... it would be awesome if this site caught up with the last decade. I'm thinking that either the dev time/money isn't there, or there's simply no will to change. Maybe secret door number 3, where AICN finally gets an awesome overhaul by 2013. It's long overdue.
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I've had a really lousy day at work and I was feeling a teensy-weensy bit pissed-off. Then I read your post regarding Mr. Beaks Top Five Of 2011 and I laughed for a good five minutes or more. Thank you. P.S. Sorry about my last post, I hit the damn enter button.
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(assuming this is the real guy) I love that you are on this site with the us. I think your first post was the funniest, but the others have been insightful as well. Transformers aside, great work out there and I absolutely loved ST 2009. I was wondering, as a ST fan would I be able to be one of the leads in ST 2013? Please ask JJ for me. I have acting experience since I pretend that Analytic Trigonometry is awesome and very useful in day to day living. Other than that, I've never been in front of a camera, but my 6 year old was in a national commercial for an insurance company, so that counts as well. Please consider me for Kirk or Spock or Scotty since all of those actors (especially Scotty) are horrible actors. I could do so much better than them. I'll be awaiting your offer, but please let JJ know that I already make a ton of money teaching, so my salary will be pretty steep.
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We're all booked up on this Trek, but perhaps part 13?
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Theonering.net is reporting that Cumberbatch will be voicing the Necromancer and that he will appear at the Battle of Five Armies.
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PITCH FOR COWBOYS AND ALIENS 2: Opening scene has an alien ship landing on earth, where a shapeshifting alien (similar to Ella) takes on human form (played by Robert Downey Junior or Mickey Rourke) and the attire of the indigenous population (cowboy clothing, except all in black). He heads off towards the nearby town, which just so happens to be Absolution to conduct his mysterious investigation. Here are the main points: - Ella is still alive, as is indicated by the Humming Bird at the end of the first one. - As the story unfolds she meets up with Jake, who is now the unlikely sheriff of Absolution. - As it turns out Ella has not been entirely truthful with her back story from the original film; she is actually a fugitive on the run from some interplanetary authority, as she is a person of high value to them, due to her regenerative capabilities, maybe? - The race of aliens from the first film are actually a band of dumb grunt mercenaries who were assigned to pursue and capture Ella, but she escaped from them on Earth, before the first film takes place, and so the “grunt” aliens decide “we can’t find her, we’ll never get our payment/reward now… wait a minute this place is has a lot of gold deposits, let’s make our money back that way (better abduct humans and keep them as slaves).” - The Alien in Black is actually a bounty hunter on the trail of Ella. - In the third act the alien fleet that have been after Ella show up with their Elite Guard, having grown impatient with their bounty hunter. - Dollarhyde has a one-on-one fight with the bounty hunter (the closest thing we’ll ever get of a continuation of the Han Solo/Boba Fett stand off on film.)
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Went back and looked at all my posts over the years. Proud to say I never slammed on Orci. He must do good work. I don't count hating on Transformers. That's part of my religion.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
@Boborci here is an idea i have for the script of your next movie project.
by KilliK
DONT WRITE IT.
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...makes it sound as if i'm going against the grain by liking it, all i meant was; judging by certain reviews, some seemed to have a problem with the mash-up of styles; the clue is in the title people. It's shit like that, that makes me believe we truly are living in an Idiocracy.
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The Warfare/Welfare State works for the Ruling Class, who own the Propaganda Ministry, as @boborci pointed out above. Only Rubes and Suckers play the Blue vs. Red Game. Way too many of those on this board lately with 2012 Campaign turning into a Rombot vs. Obama Cargo Cult Contest. The signing of the NDAA and the virtual suspension of Habeus Corpus and the Posse Comitatus Act of 1877 are just the latest in a series of acts against liberty during the 12 years of Bush and Obama. When fascism finally comes to America in full force, historians will write that it came in an envelope with a check from the Health and Human Services Administration and a draft notice from Selective Service.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
wow, advice from a guy who names himself after a soul calibur character with a stick.
by OptimusBob
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Jan. 5, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST
moderators confirm its him, so how would i believe otherwise, zombie my good man?
by OptimusBob
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Yes, I accept for ST 13. Remember, a verbal or written contract is binding in the state of CA. So when this is filmed in 2050 and I'm almost dead, I'll be ready. Thanks for the reply.
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so after trek, I'll merely be the producer and own the production company that makes Ender's Game and Now You See Me. Thanks!
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just increased.
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Jan. 5, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
@optimusbob there was an interview with Orci in the startrek site two months
by KilliK
where he said that he doesnt post in AICN.but the mod here and some other guys say that he is the real hack,er deal. So believe whatever you want. Personally couldnt care less,the fact remains that the real Orci is somewhere out there,still fucking good entertainment cinema with his atrocious scripts thanks to the movie sheeps who keep giving him job because they go and watch garbage like Transformers or Nu Trek.
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good script writer.HA.
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I THOUGHT somebody was impersonating you on Trekmovie. You seemed intelligent all of a sudden, and I just couldn't figure it out.
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That wimpy motherfucker keeps the action way too lame at Trekmovie. He'd never let me tell Bob Orci to suck Horta dick.
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Looking forward to tomorrows Fudge Pack Friday; because Conspiracy cannot live on serious conversation alone.
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When will we learn who is to play Bean in Ender's Game?
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You seriously think Enterprise is a better resume example for Peter Weller than FUCKING ROBOCOP? Seriously?
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Jan. 6, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
Bob HERE IS The Real Thing, believe it or not, newcomers!
by wtriker1701
And that he is here to take on some some good verbal fights just means, they are obviously doing well with the script and they are happy with the movie, that'll come out next year. If you don't like it, already, then simply don't watch it. Hate it as you like, your (not showing) numbers in theatres won't hurt the movie's income a bit, I strongly believe! And: You'll watch that movie - you couldn't throw anything against it, if you didn't... ;-) @Bob: Maybe Delta Vega (you know, Gary Mitchell's Planet in another reality) will be much closer to Earth this time... - you know, in case, someone has to watch its (Earth's) imminent destruction... ;-)
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Jan. 6, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST
Suggesting Cumberband will play 'Mudd' is just part of the AICN staffers' sweepstake
by Ithrat Cordwallis
For who can suggest the most inappropriate casting, isn't it? Like when Brian Cox played Ian Holm, for example. But good news that BC is on board, and I'm quite pleased Noel Clarke is, too - I've always quite enjoyed his work, and if he needs to take the paycheck to fund more of his smaller scale stuff, then fair play to him. Oh, and I'm one of those who really enjoyed Trek 09, even on repeat viewing; mind you, I went to the premier, see, walked ups the red carpet behind the Fresh Pegg and still have the popcorn, so that might be part of the reason I'm well disposed towards it. Mind you, I loathed the shallowness of the 2nd Transformers movie I saw at a pre-screening at Paramount's London HQ and didn't watch any of the others, so I don't know where that scores me on the Orci scale - a 3, maybe? Right - I'll probably want to delete this comment in about five minutes - how do I go about doing that?
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Anyway, I hope the science is done way better in this sequal. "Magnetic distortion" from Saturn's rings? Really? I never heard of ice and rock creating magnetic fields. Or a supernova "threatening" an entire galaxy? They should hire and trust a physics guy as a consultant, not ask.com
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Cuz that would suck
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Jan. 6, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
ithrat_cordwallis, Noel Clarke!? Are you kidding me?!
by Talkbacker with no name
The guy can act a bit, but is a prized bellend and shitty director to boot.
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But Saturn itself has a huge electro-magnetic field; and Jupiter's magnetosphere is larger than the Sun itself!
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on the rings -- http://www.jpier.org/PIER/pier52/13.0408281.Tchernyi.P.pdf
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It cannot exist in the real world for more than a very short period of time. Power and wealth inevitably start congregating in the hands of fewer and fewer people, who will use their increasing power and wealth to strip both from anyone else in a never ending cycle. The only way to ensure as much freedom as possible for as many people as possible is to create countervailing and antagonistic power bases that balance each other out. in the modern world this is the Gvt vs the Corporations. Freedom dies when one or the other becomes too powerful. You need equilibrium.
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Ok, so according to that paper, the rings create a distortion of Saturn's magnetic field. A magnetic field is created by any simple movement of a charged particle, and since movement is always relative, a field is created. Then there is a superconducting fluid with the rings (ice). The distortion is cool and all, but it doesn't seem that much. I know that Abrams thought it was "cinematic" or whatever to invoke the rings. Cheesey. It would have made more sense to say that the Enterprise hid from the Narada's sensors simply because it was in Titan's atmosphere. But, whatevs, what do I know?
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So superconductivity theory, hunh? Thanks for the link. It's a fascinating read (about half way through it now--having college reading assignment flashbacks!) Also appreciate what you guys have done with Hawaii Five-o and Star Trek, great entertainment all around if you ask me! (You gotta bring back the Gorn one of these days, man!)
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Herc, he has a Romulan look to him. I agree with hesiod2k7, I think it's "Balance of Terror" with the Romulans. Great space battles, mano-e-mano with Kirk and the Romulan Commander, and based on one of the best TOS episodes out of the gate.
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Jan. 6, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
Iprothro -- THANKS!! And thanks for watching. Much appreciated.
by Boborci
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Jan. 6, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
I'm on the "stop rehashing old shit and make new stories" bandwagon (nt)
by Triple_J_72
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or we could watch it and criticize it if we dont like it.that way maybe hacks like Orci will try to make a better job with their scripts next time. you see,there are plenty of options.but only very few good modern scifi movies.
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Jan. 6, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST
killik, I thought you were trying to be funny
by Talkbacker with no name
but turns out you are just a right knob.
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Jan. 6, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
Bob Orci types about as well as he plots and writes
by The Bicycle Sharer
Which is to say, horribly. You'd think making that kind of money he'd learn to type and take a lesson in screenwriting, but no.
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...is their failure to demonstrate how their system can be sustained for more than a relatively short period of time. They claim that they want Government to "only" perform essential functions like protecting liberty and defending borders. i.e. to protect property rights of individuals from theft, and prevent foreign invaders from doing the same. But, as history demonstrates, protecting property rights -- even if enforced -- is not sufficient to protect liberty. Eventually, some property owners aggrandize wealth and power and start abusing that power to muscle others out of the way and consolidate it. They can do this without stealing anything, and thus would not be prevented from doing so by the Gvt. They can do this through monopoly power, etc. You also have the commensurate problem of this same class sing their power to buy political power as well, so that they control the levers of government to both prevent the gvt. from interfering with their own operations and to crack down on their rivals. So, a democratic society must be constantly vigilant against one group gaining too much power and using that power to take over the levers of power and the government. Our system has worked best when there has been a rough equilibrium between capital and labor in our society -- from the standpoint of economic and political power. Where neither side could overly impose it's will on the other. This also resulted in a rough political equilibrium at the government level as well. Unfortunately, that equilibrium has been shattered for a whole host of reasons, and now the Capital side has aggrandize a massive and disproportionate share of power and is using it to beat down its rivals. This will either result in a massive backlash and a political revival of labor, or it will result in a violent upheaval against the perpetrators. Fortunately, in a functioning democracy, people have the legitimate option of changing the government to create a countervailing force. But, of course, the capitalists are trying to rig the electoral system in their favor as well. See the Citizens United Ruling, voter ID laws, etc. They are trying to prevent their rivals from re-balancing the power scales democratically. Unfortunately, that will only mean that when the masses finally have had enough -- and their only legitimate avenues for restoring equilibrium have been blocked -- they will resort to "other" means. Libertarians are under the rather niaeve and stupid perception that equilibrium can always been maintained with a minimal use of force or government power. That makes them massive idiots, in my opinion. They have no idea how the real world works. Which, of course, is ironic because their ideology is supposedly based upon the concept that all humans act with self interest. That's true, but you have to have both the will AND the means to act in your own self interest. If you only have the will, and not the means, you may not have any choice than to be a slave. What has happened over the past 3 ears in this country has proven that Karl Marx was absolutely correct in his diagnoses of Capitalism's major flaws. (He merely pointed out the flaws of Capitalism and made a prediction about how it would destroy itself eventually. He didn't advocate forced socialism or communism).
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...that if you lack the means, but do have the will to be free -- you can also choose to die in futility fighting for their right to be free rather than be a slave. So, I guess libertarians have something to look forward to after all. Of course, there's always collective action. But, I don't think the masses are going to rise up and trow off the oppression of the Environmental Protection Agency or Medicare. Do you? Ask Marie Antoinette how that worked out.
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Jan. 7, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was the thread for JJA's Star Trek. Excuse me I must have the wrong page.
by tangcameo
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Jan. 7, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
Is JJA sticking with TOS characters? Because if he isn't, I just had a horrible thought...
by tangcameo
Cumberbatch is Sybok? He does kind of look like Skylar. If we've got Peter Weller and this actor, plus they tried to get BD, and they all would kind of look at home with pointy ears, I think this'll be a Vulcan-centric movie. But I wonder if he'll take some of the bad Trek and try to make it good, hence Sybok.
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Is it saying it won't kill us or pleading for its life? Eat me if I know, Spock. Shoot the fucking thing.
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Sybok was probably banished from Vulcan before it was destroyed, so he's probably somewhere out in space still looking for "Sha Ka Ree." As such, I doubt he'll show up to say hello to the same family who banished him.
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Jan. 7, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST
RDJ= Holmes for Riddlin adled short attention span retards
by picardsucks
Cumberbatch = brilliant Homes as if a young Jeremy Brett was reborn. They even have the same voice, scarry I am happy with this casting it will only make the film better
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Then I think that Benedict Cumberbatch hasn't been cast yet, but will be imminently!! Benicio Del Toro was mooted a few months back, and I noted that the feeling was of indifference - it was then posted that he wasn't in the film. Lots of news, but not much going on - I think that this site is being used as an 'approval board', to see what people want and don't want. More evidence? Lots of stories about Akira being made, all met with horrific talkbacks. Now its canned (they say 'for the moment', I say its been buried!!). Yes, this might be crazy - but hey. crazier things have happened!! Mind you, it would be nice if I were right - the power of the audience to make the product they want!!
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I think I might be a gay man. Can't stop staring at it.
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Jan. 8, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
Thanks for making NUTREK it just makes The Original Films look even better. All the Gear and No Idea
by SmokieGeezer
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Jan. 8, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
I wonder what tack Jar Jar will force down our throats this time? JJ's Crew RAPED MY STAR TREK
by SmokieGeezer
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