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Nordling here.

If you don't know who Bob Anderson is, I can assure you, you're familiar with his work.  The Original STAR WARS films.  THE LORD OF THE RINGS and THE HOBBIT.  THE PRINCESS BRIDE.  The Antonio Banderas ZORRO films.  Bob Anderson was a sword master who helped orchestrate many of the swordfights that we know and love today, and in many instances, actually did a lot of the fighting.  The swordfights in the STAR WARS films?  That was Bob Anderson.  The amazingly awesome fight choreography in THE PRINCESS BRIDE?  That was Bob.  Who taught Viggo to kick a thousand Orcs' asses and then sit back with a drink?  That was Bob.

Just watch the duel in EMPIRE, as Vader toys with Luke before unleashing the full power of the Dark Side on that scaffold.  There's a genuine menace to his swordplay in that scene, and that was entirely due to Bob.  According to Wikipedia, Mark Hamill wanted to make sure he was recognized for his work - "Bob Anderson was the man who actually did Vader’s fighting. It was always supposed to be a secret, but I finally told George I didn’t think it was fair any more. Bob worked so bloody hard that he deserves some recognition. It’s ridiculous to preserve the myth that it’s all done by one man."

Bob Anderson worked with Errol Flynn, and had been in the business since 1953, working with Flynn on THE MASTER OF BALLANTRAE.  Here's Viggo talking about Bob Anderson for the documentary RECLAIMING THE BLADE:

And here's the amazing choreography that Bob designed for THE PRINCESS BRIDE:

Our best wishes and prayers go out to Bob Anderson's family and friends.  Nordling, out.

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  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    RIP to the Master

    by Razorback

    His work will be remembered for many decades, if not centuries.

  • More like his work will live on, certainly past my lifetime. Rest in Peace Bob.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    My name is Inigo Montoya....

    by notcher

    You kill my father, prepare to die. RIP Father.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Roy E. Disney (1930-2009)

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Roy E. Disney (1930-2009)

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    Still waiting.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    The man was nearly 90...

    by WeylandYutani

    and although he seems to have lived a full, accomplished and happy life, it is still a shame when a person who's work gave such pleasure to so many passes.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    One of my heroes has died

    by Rob Hill

    And the world is now a sadder place.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    A sad day.

    by Ironhelix

    I always loved the swordplay leading up to Vader amputating Luke's hand in The Empire Strikes Back. Especially the last few seconds when Luke hits Vader in the shoulder and REALLY pisses him off. Those scenes have more visceral impact than any of the swordplay in the prequels.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by Ravyn

    This man created the most memorable sword fight scenes in my life. It's because of his Star Wars work I always wanted to learn swordplay.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST


    by SuperSaiyan2112

    You just fucked up a genuinely legit talkback. Asshole.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Let us gingerly touch our tips...

    by Linguo_IS_Dead

    you know, as a sign of respect!!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    I am not familiar with his work in The Hobbit because that film has not been released yet.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST


    by Ingeld

    Roy is in good company. Art Carney (1918-2003) never got a talkback after his passing. I got banned once for pointing it out.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST



    I'm glad someone said it. There is a time and a place and this isnt it

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by adml_shake

    Then put your fucking glasses on next time before you watch the movie.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    themeofme = dumb bitch

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Thanks for your art Mr Anderson

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Sadly, today's kids have no patience for TRUE swordplay choreography

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Nowadays it's all a shakey-cam blur. Few things thrill me more in a good action movie than a well-choreographed sword duel, and Anderson was the master.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. We love you!

    by UltraTron

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

    i had seen him in some "making of" videos of some very popular movies like the ones mentioned in the article.But i didnt know that he was the one doing Dather's laser sword-fighting.!!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I really am tough, talkbacker or not...

    by zinc_chameleon

    and I say this is what film can do in the hands of a master. Also...note what Bob Anderson said about the audience following every stroke of the blade (also punch of the fist), it is *essential* in the telling of the story. So, Hollywood, ditch the shaky-cam and blurry motion nonsense, and get back to Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone telling a story with blades.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    90 years, great innings and thanks Bob

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    RIP Mr. Anderson

    by byronical

    A class act has gone on to a better place.

  • I have literally wanted to take fencing lessons since I was 6 years old. NO ONE within 300 miles of where I live teaches swordsmanship of any kind....except for the 300 lbs. "black belt" Chuck Norris wannabes who run a dojo next door to a Blimpies franchise. Like model-makers and matte painters,true fencing masters are on the way out in Hollywood...and the movies will be all the poorer for it. Thanks for the memories Mr. least we still have Nick Gillard!

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I prefer Nick Gillard's work on the Prequels...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...but Anderson's stuff is still top-notch. ESB especially. <p>Didn't know he worked on "The Princess Bride". Good fencing, but too bad Rob Reiner didn't put the same kind of creative effort or ambition into the coverage. <p>On the LOTR films-- yeah, the fights there are just kind of a mess. Lots of scale and gore, but not a lot of clarity. More than in Nolan's stuff, say, but Jackson's just kind of sloppy when he isn't being terribly sentimental.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Watched Princess Bride like, 4 times this week...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    ...and the duel between Westley and Inigo is awesome each and every time. Also, don't forget the original 'Highlander' as well. RIP Mr. Anderson, and thanks. There can be only one.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by blackflowerX

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Thank you...

    by Kal-El Hartley

    Thank you Bob Anderson, for your great contributions and hard work bringing magic to life. R.I.P.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST


    by Tank Williams

    Such a shame

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Missed a HUGE chance to meet him

    by tomservo68

    My buddy's parents lived across from him when he was living in Largo Fl part time until he moved about a year or so ago. His interview in Reclaiming the Blade was filmed there.For whatever reason it never worked out,they did take a pic of him at the park clubhouse a few months before he moved. Very sad to hear.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    A true Master of the Blade has passed.

    by Dark Doom

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST

    One mystery remains....

    by Fuzzyjefe

    was he left-handed? The Westley/Inigo sword-fight is one of the all-time greats. And I'll take the strike-parry simplicity of the lightsaber duels from the OT ahead of any of the Daffy Duck insanity from the PT any day.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by sfevans

    RIP Bob Anderson. I love his work on the original Star Wars films and the Martin Campbell(who knows how to actually shoot Anderson's hard work) Zorro films. That being said, inappropriateness aside, themeofme is right. The fights in LOTR are terribly shot and edited. Peter Jackson may be a fan fave, but let's be real. He can't shoot action worth a damn.

  • Jan. 1, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST


    by Tank Williams

    Fuck you asshole! Show some fucking respect!

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Re: Aren't You Forgetting ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    ... about his work in fucking HIGHLANDER? You know, that one movie whose central plot device involved dudes cutting off people's heads with SWORDS?!? Also, FYI: Hamill did NOT break the story about Anderson doing all the lightsaber-fighting for "Darth Vader" in the original STAR WARS trilogy, Clancy Brown did in an interview he gave about HIGHLANDER. Apparently, David Prowse was about as good with a sword as he was at acting, and, as it was pointed out, you'll notice Vader loses a few feet in height during all the lightsaber battles in the original trilogy, since Anderson wound up having to it all himself (which means, Prowse's actual contribution to STAR WARS was "standing around" and "occasionally gesturing" in a costume, so he had slightly less to do than Kenny Baker or Peter Mayhew).

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST

    If Mr Anderson had worked on this thread

    by Arcadian Del Sol

    then the dick swinging by themeofme would have been more epic.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    God, the RIP screeching begins.

    by MisterManReturns

    As if the "wishes and prayers" weren't enough..... Walmart reigns.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Yes good points about the swordplay in LOTR

    by Rupee88

    as wisely pointed out, you couldn't even tell because of the poor directing and editing. But dumb people love that shakey cam shit as evidenced by the love of the lame Bourne films.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    This Kills Me

    by Darth_AUGUSTUS

    It really does. Bob Anderson was a true master at this. And a damn fine gentleman from all reports. All of his choreographed duels are legendary. And most of his felt real, using real western style sword skills. (Which I hope more directors and movie studios go for) Let's face it the only good scene in Die Another Day is because of this man. He made Darth vader the badass that he is. I pray for his family, and hope that someone in the industry will learn from this man and attempt to fill the void.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Vaya con Dios, Maestro Espadachin

    by CuervoJones

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST

    RIP to a True Legend of Film

    by pills_26

    Titles like those are easy to bandy about but I mean it in the highest sense: He is an utter legend.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Bob Anderson knows something that you do not

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    He is not left handed.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Good obit. I think I read Hamill's comments in the

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Vader encyclopedia. I never knew about Anderson until then. I mean I knew he choreographed, but I just assumed it was Prowse doing the sword fighting since the only people getting credit for Vader were Prowse, and Jones.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    We still need the Harry Morgan obit though.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 8 a.m. CST


    by JohnIan

    I was just thinking about him last week. He worked on Highlander: The Series. I remember seeing him in a behind-the-scenes promo for the then new show.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    RIP indeed. What a career.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    RIP Bob Anderson

    by Rob Jenson

    You will be missed. (Also, can we not have flame wars on an RIP page?)

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    themeofme is being fed...

    by kells

    Comments focused on Bob Anderson's resting in peace and his contributions to cinema are really the only ones appropriate here. One would think an adult would have no trouble understanding this. I won't even bother to say shame on you, since that is already obvious to anyone with half a brain in this talkback. RIP with any true artist, your work has made you immortal.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Ironhelix--I agree

    by Peter David

    I still remember being there opening day for "Empire," when it was all new, and that moment where Luke tagged Vader on the shoulder. Everyone in the theater went, "Whoa!" because he looked like he was turning the tide, which only ratcheted up the horror when about three seconds later his hand was severed. Think about it: Not counting Frodo (since that was in the book) the next time I could recall seeing a hero maimed to that degree on film would be in "How to Train Your Dragon." PAD

  • Hey, please invoke that rule stat, Nordling, and get rid of that annoying, tedious meofme fuckhead troll once and for all? Pretty please? On topic: RIP, Bob. They don't make em like you anymore.

  • That shit is so old and played out. Plus, it was pointless to begin with. They said, "SOMEBODY SEND US AN OBIT AND WE'LL POST IT" very clearly. Did anybody send one? No? Then kindly shut up about it.

  • Its very clear the people who worked with him greatly respected his experience and expertise.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Concerning the Lotr fights

    by Bostrike1

    People who label Jackson as a poor director of action are only seeing what they want to. Look closer at fotr example and youll see a spectacularly filmed brawl between viggo and the head Uruk hai Orc at the end of the film. It's an intense sequence that is filmed to give bobs work breathing room and spell everything out for the audience. Very different than what you get in the larger battles where pj is more interested in creating an environment of chaos than he is in showing the audience the ins and outs of a particular duel. I think bobs work was well represented in Lotr. When two individual characters fought it was always clear what was happening. People just crap on the action because of the larger battle scenes, and in the process overlook wonderful sequences like the duel at the end of fellowship.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by bob_uzumaki

    I respect your opinions but bashing anyone who doesn't share your views is the height of immaturity.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    About Themofme...

    by KDog629

    It's clear he's a troll with no reason to be here except to feed his ego without any thought to anyone else. Anyone who spends any time fighting with him is feeding the problem. If this is the last post regarding him, it will have come too late.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Two things about the Empire fight stood out to me.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    As mentioned when Luke got his hand cut off that was a "what the hell?" moment. Only "bad guys" are supposed to be maimed. Okay, 20 minutes later he has a new hand, and all is well, but we didn't know that was coming. But earlier when Vader got whacked on the shoulder he didnt' lose and arm. Only later after reading the manuals, etc. do we realize the should plate is not just decorative, but armored. Actually three things because what kind of dad cuts his offspring's hand off? The Imperial Department of Children and Family Services won't sit still for this.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    jaka, I don't recall them asking for someone to submit a Disney obit, but

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    if they're still game, I'll send them a Harry Morgan obit before it's too late.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    themeofme, earn your humility?

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Stating that your humility needs to be earned shows that you don't understand the definition of humility. Humility, when properly practiced, is intrinsic to your being, and how you view yourself in relation to the world around you. It's about being 'right sized'. Being humbled by another's logic, or other extrinsic circumstance (e.g. a major beating) is not the same thing as having the quality of humility. Now you may have humility, but you haven't shown it here. Who does really in a talkback anyway.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    HA! re: PAD + Jobacca

    by MrMajestic

    So that's where you got your idea for Aquaman's losing his hand! BTW That was a great run on that character and Johns will be hard-pressed to match it. P.S. A Filipino Kali weapon salute to a great bladesman. P.P.S. To Jobacca, sorry to hear that bud, growing up in my small town there was a teacher at my high school who taught fencing after school(non-gay). However he was German and taught the German school of fencing. Afterwards when I went to college I took up Aikido and it's sister art Iaido(the art of sword drawing). Now for the last few years I've been training in Pekiti Tirsia Kali(mostly stick, sword and daggers). I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll be able to find a legit trainer. Go online and look up various national associations and see who they have in your region.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Re: Princess Bride...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    I find it interesting that during the swordfight between Westley and Inigo, the swordmasters and styles of fighting they discuss are all real: Inigo Montoya: You are using Bonetti's Defense against me, ah? Man in Black: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain. Inigo Montoya: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferro? Man in Black: Naturally... but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don't you? Inigo Montoya: Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa... which I have. Always wondered how much input Mr. Anderson had to the dialog in that scene, or if was in the original novel.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Sad day

    by Vicconius

    He lived a long life and brought a lot of joy and great scenes to film. I appreciate the Luke/Vader duel in ESB even more now. RIP

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    ye gods

    by lead_sharp

    that guy was amazing :)

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Great and skilled swordsman...

    by conspiracy

    The Empire fight alone will forever mark this guys place in Hollywood much said from so few moves. Makes ya kinda hate the CGI jackoff shit we get today. Good Journey sir...

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST is the problem with the Obits...

    by conspiracy

    Roy is just a symptom of a larger problem with AICN Obit writing. Many times due to the powers that be superficial "FanBoy" based knowledge of Film and the Business in is possible that very important people, like Roy Disney, get left off the "Respect" list. I think people keep bringing up Roy for the simple fact it shows the lack of understanding and depth at AICN...that someone who was as instrumental in Disney still being "DISNEY", someone who worked on a personal level to save the dying art form of old school animation while encouraging the Computer based revolution we see today, and who was the last honest to god DISNEY left at the company that is named for and by his Uncle and Father could be given such a lack of respect. Was it because at the end of his career he was a "Suit"? I think many of of us think so...but the problem with that type of simplistic thinking is that it is the SUITS who allow us all to see the films we know and love in the first place. These same SUITS whom people with an overly romanticized view of the movie industry most times deride, often times deserve FAR more respect and admiration than they get from the fanboy community. THAT is why Roy keep being brought up time and again.

  • He didn't do all that much to contribute to the film world at large (other than have the last name Disney). <p> This is a film site, not a obit site. <p> And my comment is still the most valid point on the issue at hand; if somebody wants an obit posted for someone who has passed, write it yourself and send it in. AICN has always been contributor driven. If you don't like what the contributors are supplying, man up and do something about it. <p> Shitting out your pointless, childish complaints years later in the obits they DO choose to post does NOTHING to solve the problem (if there ever was on to begin with).

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    grammaton cleric binks - they did, repeatedly

    by Jaka

    But more to the point, when did people start needing them to ask before they sent them something? Sending them content, without being asked, is what built AICN to begin with.

  • Jan. 2, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    A wonderful artist is gone

    by Hipshot

    Sword choreography is a beautiful craft, and this gentleman was clearly one of the best we ever had. Full kudos, across the board, without reservation. Rest in Peace, Master Anderson.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Swordmaster? Sword grandmaster I say.

    by gun_will_travel

    Real swordfighting is a messy endeavor that's not that fun to watch. Anderson made it larger than life entertainment. RIP

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Rest in peace!

    by phantomcreeps

    and themeofme, you are the pinnacle of a LOSER. You are not a nerd, you are a fucked up individual. Lord of the rings was magnificent, I could totally tell what was going on. Thanks to: Bob Anderson 1922-2012

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I didn't know who he was

    by Bop N Rumble

    but the dude sure knows his action. Take a good look, Hollywood. Get rid of that close-up 70 frames per second 'action'.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Peace and condolences. Thanks for giving us the gift

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    of cool action movies.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I think the sword fights in the lord of rings

    by eric haislar

    are fairly realistic. They are not a dance they are messing and deadly. which is what i would assume a real battle would be like.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by sfevans

    All due respect, but I hate that, "It's not a dance", manifesto apologists have adopted from out of context Batman Begins dialogue to explain the fact that their favorite director can't shoot action. The sword fights in Lester's Three & Four Musketeers weren't Milius' Conan weren't dances... in Boorman's Excalibur weren't dances. But the viewers always knew exactly what was going on. The fights were exciting, brutal, realistic and surprise, surprise, the audience didn't have to struggle to follow what was going on. Plus it showcased all the hard work craftsmen like Bob Anderson put into choreographing these sequences. Hell, the way Jackson shot and edited most of the fights in LOTR, the actors could have been swinging rubber Nerf weapons around at each other like ten year old's in youtube videos. LOL!

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    First of all I forgot that line was even in batman begins, but is that not really what fight choreography is? Just a routine you remember be on mark x at such and such time, Perry here, thrust here. All i was saying was in LOTR it does not look or feel that way. It seems sloppy and natural and believable. Now I have not watch rings in a couple years. But I was never once was lost or confused with any fight scene in any of those films. My point was in a real battle fighting with swords would look more like LOTR then Princess Bride. It would be Messy and chaotic as opposed to perfectly timed perrys and thrusts. Not that there is everything wrong with those types of fights on screen. It's just that style of sword fighting really does not suit LOTR.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by sfevans

    You didn't get the line from Batman Begins? Fair enough. I just hear that justification used all the time. Apologies. I'm not saying that the LOTR fights should look like highly choreographed fencing. You're right, they shouldn't. I'm just saying that Jackson shot the fights with so many close ups and used so many quick cuts that it would suggest that he doesn't know how to shoot an action scene. So he hides it by shaking the camera around and cutting every 15 or so frames. He's creating a false sense of chaotic action by disorienting the audience, not by proper framing and editing. A cheat in my opinion.

  • Jan. 3, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    : (

    by Mace Tofu

    From now on we will just get watered down sword fights in film... Shake the camera , shake the camera more! RIP Bob. Did he mentor a new hope to carry on his magic?

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Men who made fencing great in the movies

    by Lang The Cat

    Ralph Faulkner Jean Heremans Peter Diamond Bob Anderson And Bob was the best of them. Farewell.

  • No disrepect to Mr. Anderson (RIP sir), but you folks should just STOP with the obit crap since you seem to have some bizarro-alien method of selecting who gets mentioned and who doesn't. It's even worse when every legitimate news outlet reports an obit you folks should've been all over. I mean, you fragwads snubbed Harry Morgan and that reason alone justifies this rant. Of all the snubs you're guilty of, that one takes the cake. May *all* of you be locked in steam room with the Village People....

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Lang - good list, especially since you include Jean Heremans!

    by Damned if I can login

    JH was the fencing coach (and he did the fencing stunts) on what many consider the ultimate fencing picture, Scaramouche, with Stewart Grainger and Mel Ferrar. Although Grainger and Ferrar did some cool stunts themselves...Grainger did the swing from the stage to the upper level booth, and Ferrar actually did the jumping around from balcony to balcony (while fencing, of course).

  • Jan. 4, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Die Another Day

    by paulloch

    Even though it's a little out of place in a Bond movie. I've always admired the fencing scene (a la The Quiet Man fight scene). Now I know why. REALLY, no Harry Morgan obit, yet. WOW. Two of the most popular series of all time, and he worked with all the greats Fonda, Stewart, Ford, Cooper, Wayne, Brando, Tracy, Scott, etc. C'mon.