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Nordling here.
For those of us anxiously awaiting PROMETHEUS... here's a taste of how it all began.
Nordling, out.
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Pumped for this movie.
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Brian Cox plays a robot.
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They went looking for our past and found a robot who bleeds... JIZZ.
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on LV-426
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Dec. 28, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST
Yet another STAR WARS ripoff...yawn. I'll catch it when it hits the drive-in.
by BurnHollywood
STAR WARS II just couldn't come out soon enough, man.
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Brian Cox
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30yr old Sigourney in her sweaty too small cotton panties I'm there opening day.
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and the other Alien sequels won't even matter anymore, at least that's what it's looking like. Thanks for nothin Cameron..
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Umm...you guys know that's not him? It's a joke right?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RsZErYEXz8
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Dec. 28, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST
That's pretty much just the original Alien trailer, or am I wrong?
by Cartagia
Barely any changes, other than the music? If even that?
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Loved him in Brazil and The Fifth Element
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8 Seems like they just cut out the stuff with the egg in the beginning and removed that cat and changed the soundtrack. I'm all for trailer mash-ups, but that one is just lazy
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lazy or not, fun.
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When I saw there was a trailer for the trailer, I was instantly turned off to this film. I did end up watching the trailer and it failed completely in earning the rhetoric I was reading about it.
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Just to clarify.
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... shit, I'm glad I made this and not MONOPOLY:THE MOVIE.
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Man, '79 is shaping up to be a great year for movies. We're getting The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again, C.H.O.M.P.S., The Concorde ... Airport '79, and Roller Boogie. Can't wait!
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obviously an intentional decision made by Alan Ladd Jr. Great movie, and easily the best of the series.
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I'm gonna go against the grain and say that I prefer the theatrical cut of Aliens to James Cameron's director's cut. I think not seeing Hadley's Hope until the marines arrive there adds more mystery, and the sentry gun scene makes the aliens seem too, well, dumb, when we know they're anything but.
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so i was too young to see it in the theater. I did get the Kenner Alien which I still have and I remember going to B Dalton and reading Fantastic Films and soaking in all I could. The whole look of the film was amazing. I saw it for the first time a few years later at a convention. I knew what was going to happen because I read the book but it still scared the hell out of me. Much love for Alien.
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That was fucking masterful.
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My Mother Took me by herself to see Robocop, at 8. Goodtimes.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST
Anyone Watch Any of the "The Works" Videos After This Ends?
by Crow3711
When the embed ends it has links to a bunch of other youtube videos called "the Works" featuring a bunch of directors. The Kubrick one is downright awe-inspiring and makes me feel like a useless, insignificant spec on the taint of the universe. The shit that man created over 50 some years of film making is fucking unfair. He was entirely too brilliant. How can one person makes so many entirely iconic and altogether powerful films and images?
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No disrespect to the original Alien trailer which is one of the first 'modern' style trailers (the original trailers for Star Wars are cheesy as hell) but if that mash up had hit cinema screens in '79 the public would've gone ape shit for it. Nice job there sir.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST
Ridley should officially announce 3 and 4 as not canon.
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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tremendous! How do some movies avoid being dated? 'Alien' moonwalks - it never ages.
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cheers for that
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Shit! If I'd seen that in '79, I'd have killed my own dog to see the movie.
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redundant? The Prometheus Trailer is a Reminiscence of the original ALIEN Trailer. And we all should know that!
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you could've just queued up and bought a ticket! That trailer was alright... didn't reveal the alien, i think, makes it a good trailer...he could've easily 'Bayed it'
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Isn't it weird how, out of all the Alien films, the first one is the only one that seems timeless? Blade Runner is the same way. It doesn't even matter that the computer interfaces look cheap and 1970s-ish. Somehow you automatically rationalize that there's some scientific/practical reason for computer screens to look like that in the future. Can't think of any other films that have that quality.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST
BRAHHM..very..BRAHHM...cool..BRAHHM...fan...BRAHHM...trailer...SCREREECH
by Papa CaveDweller
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yes agree with that. in fact it even looks more timeless than Aliens (thanks in part to Ripleys helmet hair and Burkes Shatner style fro)..i guess Aliens being esstentially an 80s shoot em up with now cliched action movie characters over the dark mystery of Alien and far more naturalistic approach to characters is also a factor the only other oldish futuristic SF movie that also has a timeless feel is Wrath of Khan - i know youve got Khans 80s heavy metal band but theres something about that film that just makes it really feel like its taking place hundreds of years in the future (unlike any of the other ST films...even JJTrek whose Apple store Enterprise i think wont date too well) and thats despite the haircuts and computer screens (like you say you can rationalize that there's some reason for them to look like that in the future) so yeah Alien and Star Trek II have that weird timeless feel imo...maybe you can lump in Star Wars/Empire in there too...maybe
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Empire, yes, definitely. ANH? Not as much. Oddly, I think the prequels will look the most dated as time goes by.
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(especially the remastered versions) something about those early season 1 episodes have that almost Twilight Zone feel and feel as if its happening in some retro future - unlike TNGs 80s hilton hotel in space
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Dec. 29, 2011, 6:33 a.m. CST
docpazuzu - in the future people will think the SW prequels were made by Pixar
by CARTMANEZ
nothing beats solid real sets ANH/ESB/ROTJ are REAL movies, the prequels are like CGtoons with alittle live action Spy Kids style
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now that REALLY does have that timeless feel - especially on the Discovery and also the opening apes and moon scenes
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It's simple. Ridley Scott grounded the film in reality. It's real people doing a job in space or as some say, Truck drivers in space. It wasn't rocket ships and men from mars. It avoided all that cheese and went for realism.
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FACT
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With Newt as an exo-biologist and Hicks as a Corporal fighting the Alien infestation on Earth?
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[Scott] was treating science fiction as he did history. That same level of texture.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST
Almost 33yrs old, yet when i'm in the mood for a good thriller to watch from my collection i choose it above most new movies.
by cameron
Actors were cast far more on their ability and character back then rather than now where they're chosen for their abs and chisled jaws. The cast of Alien were popular because they were just regular people, workers audiences could relate to rather than the hype beautiful models that get cast in todays movies. We felt their fear because we could imagine ourselves in their shoes. Today the stars of sci fi are super human, they can fight 8 men at the same time, de-code computers and recite ancient alien text, nothing surprises or scares them. Ice cool and sterile. The Alien was truely terrifying, no eyes, no remores, no motive, no fear. I'm looking forward to Prometheus, but will i compare it to Alien? No. For me Alien is a beautifully simple movie that revealed hardly anything about the monster, the mystery was as powerful as the monster, where did it come from? what was it? why did it spare Jonesy? lol Like Darth Vader the Alien was stripped of its mystique through inferior sequels and daft crossovers, and now it seems that in Prometheus we'll learn that the Alien wasn't actually 'Alien' afterall, just another bio engineered something or other seen in a hundred other movies. I love Ridley for returning to Sci-Fi, i just wish he'd used the time to make something new and fresh like he did 33 years ago. After this we'll get a Blade Runner sequel/prequel, mixed feelings for that too. Hoolywood never learns that it's the simplest things that work best, what we didn't know about the Alien was just as entertaining as the monster itself. I like to watch Alien and Jaws back to back, very simple movies, but both with great stories and characters. This is Ripley of the Nostromo signing off.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 7:37 a.m. CST
i love how the still for this trailer is Brian Cox's face. how fitting!
by zom-bot.com
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- was it just me or did 90% of the time you had no idea what they were talking about to each other. you'd pick up fragments, hear someone laugh, or someone be serious. a little tech talk but not much. you felt like you were sitting just a table away from them and left out of their conversation. that was a big part of helping establish the reality of them and the set. it was genius and i doubt many directors would be able to get away with that now. you'd have a bouncy hand cam, or a rotate around the table as every character says some rehearsed line, choreographed with the shot, that would be an over the top establishment of their character and how we should feel about them. there's no subtlety anymore.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST
But dammit, with that trailer I thought it was going to be a re-release.
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
I would love to see this on the big screen again.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST
Seriously Hollywood, find who made this trailer and hire them.
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
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Brian Cox was awesome as Bilbo!
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:15 a.m. CST
Seriously? No where newear as good as the already-similar original Alien trailer
by bah
Redundant and inferior to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEVY_lonKf4
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It was a very common aesthetic in the late 60s and 70s, popularized by filmmakers like Hal ashby and Robert Altman. They, in turn, were influenced by the Italian Neorealists. Unfortunately, the reason some fan boys are so hyperbolic in their worship of a particular filmmaker is because they simply don't have the background to connect the dots. They can't see a link between Umberto D to Nashville to Alien. What Scott did was apply that naturalism to sci Fi design.
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Alien was made at the tail end of a heady era when directors had more control of their material. The other nonsense you refer to is the result of focus groups and studio meddling. As the films got more expensive, the risks were eliminated.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST
i often play ALIEN in the background just for the ambient sounds
by zom-bot.com
such great sounds in it, drones, sirens, computerspeak, ambient noise, silence! (heaven forbid!)... nothing beats the sound of the ship waking up... BOKKACHICKABOKKABOKKABOKKAadfvjtfkvdyctbkstfntdjkbgvliuynnyoyniourdyg
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just after Brent has been taken (big Jones face watching) and Parker is describing how big it was and Dallas gives this scared look as if to say "holy crap im totally out of my depth here" just something i picked up on i hadnt noticed after i re watched it couple of months back. the acting in Alien is totally amazing and what helps the movie to be the most realistic space horror ever. Aliens is obviously an action classic but it cant touch Alien imo. unlike years past when Alien/Aliens were seen as like yin and yang, Aliens not a sequel but an 'equal' (much like T1/T2...but again with that T1 is the real horror deal and T2 an expensive action retred) if Prometheus is anything like the quality of Alien in terms of acting/story/eeriness/horror/sets etc (which it looks to be) then i can see Alien/Aliens/Prometheus being a kind of uber trilogy (or Prometheus/Alien/Aliens chronologically) with A3 & A4 politelty asked to GTFO of the box sets and maybe join the AvPs as a kind of LOL Alien spoof set although ive noticed abit of a fan backlash against Aliens the past year or so - for stuff like being too 80s, turning the alien into an space ant from its far more mysterious/eerieness in Alien, having Det. Jeffrey 'This is not my office!' Friedman as a coperate villian etc - so maybe Promethues will take over from Aliens as the yang to Alien's yin and it will be like a one/two double punch set and the rest (incl Aliens, im shocked at saying it, seen as inferior sequels)
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST
forgot to mention Jones' acting when it comes to helping sell the terror of Alien
by CARTMANEZ
the 'little shithead' shouldve bagged a 1979 oscar! jeeze you know Scott must be a genius director when he even gets the cat to give a emotional powerhouse of a performance!
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST
This fan-edit just proves how awesome the real 1979 trailer was.
by Royston Lodge
That trailer scared me almost as much, if not more, than the actual movie! For the two people who visit this site who have never seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8
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Dec. 29, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
Zombot: I once played paintball at an indoor field that played clips in the background.
by Royston Lodge
It was awesome. It really added to the atmosphere of the game.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 9:01 a.m. CST
Blade Runner is so timelessly realistic i half expect Ford and Olmos to deage to their 1982 selves by 2018
by CARTMANEZ
same for the rest of the cast. so thats Alien, BR, Trek II, Max 2, Empire, 2001 as timeless classics (maybe add the 1982 Thing in there too) anymore?
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I vote Rebecca Lord for the new Brian Cox.
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hold a cute puppy in front of him. Spielberg had to put a guy in a gorilla suit to illicit a response from Barry in close encounters. Therefore Rebecca Lord is the hottest fucking brunette that ever did porn. It all makes perfect sense in retrospect
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like he did on 'Sunshine' Prometheus does seem to be tapping into that cosmology/Wonders of the universe type thing...if not im sure they got some genius cosmologists working on it anyway btw im talking about the UK exboyband scientist B Cox not Harrys Holm clone
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The only thing to change is the dates in the intro.
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Is anyone else uncomfortable with the leaked script making Alien an Intelligent Design film with aliens being the designers? Cool trailer though
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Dec. 29, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST
I hear Rebecca Lord and Brian Cox are the progenitors of all humanity
by UltraTron
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Dec. 29, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
HERE u go you ungreatfull fucks:Avengers spoilers,dont kill the messinger
by TheAwareness
The aliens are called The Redacted and are a new version of The Skrulls. Fox still own Skrulls so Marvel have changed them enough to not get sued. They're multicoloured and are shapeshifters. -Thanos is in the movie. There were rumors some months ago that Loki would do business with Thanos and they're true. Thanos is tricked by Loki in the movie. Basically, Loki has been collecting Infinity Gems and the Infinity Gauntlet, but tricks Thanos in to thinking that the Infinity Gauntlet is the most powerful. In return, Thanos gives him The Redacted. -The Leviathan is an alien serpent given to Loki by Thanos as a part of the deal. -Red Skull is in the movie. Loki meets him on his travels. They split the 6 Infinity Gems between them. Loki takes the Mind, Reality and Power gems and Red Skull takes the Soul, Time and Space gems. -A lot of The Avengers was shot in secret. These are where Red Skull's scenes were filmed. -The Redacted are Loki's army. HYDRA are Red Skull's army. -The Redacted discover that Loki tricked their master, and betray him. Hence Loki seemingly being on The Avengers side in some set photos. -The French trailer descriptions floating around the web are TRUE -Lastly, in the email there was a detail being withheld. He said that if Marvel ever found out he leaked the following, he would never be hired again. It's bigger than everything he said before. He didn't tell me, although he gave me this hint: "What happens when you piss off one of the most powerful beings in the universe?"
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It was a pretty small screen at the University of Wisconsin, but I was hooked. I saw it later at a drive in with my mother. It was a double-feature with The Island, a film nobody remembers now, mostly for good reason. I've probably seen Alien at least 12 times by now. Absolutely one of my favorite films. I've bought it in every home video incarnation. A couple of times on VHS, Laserdisc (including the epic box set), DVD and of course the Blu-ray set which is simply the best box set ever conceived by man.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST
Well I can tell you what happens when you piss off Thanos.
by UltraTron
He becomes god and resets the marvel universe. That's the fuckin movie to make right there. Good spoiler dude. Probably the best since frog jism let on that clooney kills brad pitt in the only Cohen brothers movie I never finished. Would love to see Galactus and Mephisto in there.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST
When you piss off the Kardashians, you get pelted with shoes
by YackBacker
Avengers Accessorize!
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Dec. 29, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST
some of you saw Alien at the theatre in '79 when you were kids?!...if thats the case then make Prometheus R rated
by CARTMANEZ
kids can still see it if their parents want to hand out some awesome but damn it you just KNOW Fox will slap a PG13 on this if it is rated R my faith in humanity (and film studios) will be restored
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yeah maybe. maybe the opening to EFNY is where OBL got the idea for blowing up the WTC?
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Kubrick's 2001.
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is a response to "The movie that modernized Sci-Fi movies. by orionsangels "
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I just saw that you posted the same thing to yourself! My bad. What's the sense of having a reply to button if it just throws our posts at the end of the list and out of context with the conversation.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST
Now I guess we can expect the sweded version of the Alien trailer
by openthepodbaydoorshal
done Prometheus style...
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i say modern i mean 70s onward Logans Run? Star Trek TMP? another timeless SF (although maybe not strictly SF) - Raiders. bar the melting puppets it looks like it couldve been made today
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Dec. 29, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST
I handled Alien just fine. It was scary, but in a delicious way
by Jaster Mareel
Honestly the thing my dad was worried about was seeing Sigourney Weaver in panties! It's like "Oh fuck you old man!" My mom took me to R movies all the time. In fact, R movies were the NORM in the 70's. Movies were just more hardcore back then. Most films had sex or at least nudity in them. Fuck, Airplane: The Movie had the most fantastic jiggly tits in it! But the fucking parents groups cried and in the 80's there was all this ridiculous speculation that R movies turned kids into rapists and serial killers, along with video games and metal music of course, so the industry changed course. It was just more profitable to cut the balls off everything and make it PG-13. Especially when you consider the wide availability of Director's Cuts, from a financial standpoint it makes sense. The drawback is that there are multiple versions of the film out and the "real" version has to wait for video. But even the wait is no big deal now. It's about 4 months from release date, 2 1/2-3 months after it stops playing. When I was a kid, first of all there was no home video until I was a teenager, but then films came out about 6 months after release date, but for $79.99, in 1985 dollars! This was the cost to rental chains, but we could buy it for that in stores too. Then after a month or so, the price would drop to $19.99 or whatever. They looked and sounded like shit, but we didn't know any better. We were just amazed to be able to watch a movie anytime we wanted and not have to wait for it to debut on network TV, or if we were rich, the 30 channels cable offered. So now we have pristine 1080p, 7.1 lossless DTS, a smorgasbord of extras (they didn't start until LD), all 3 months after the film stops running in first run theaters (it's usually still in second run theaters), for $19.99. We got it GOOD folks.
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Wrath of Khan (At the End....of the Universe....lies the Beginning...of Vengence) The Motion Picture (The human....adventure...is just....beginning) First Contact (Resistance....is....Futile) 2001 (The....Ultimate....Trip) 2010 (The year....we make....contact) Event Horizon (Infinite Space....Infinite Terror) go to work guys
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the good ol days. I remember trying to move my parents betamax across the TV stand and it weighed a ton. Wired remote. I used to wear those beta tapes out til they had bended lines at the top full time. But like you, I didn't care. I was in heaven. The idea I could have Alien, Star Wars, and The Black Hole on tape a mere few years after their release was amazing to me. Look at us now: we grip because the lightsabers haven't been fixed on the SW blu-rays. :p
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Dec. 29, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST
One thing im wonering though..what the fuck happend 2 the cosmic cube?
by TheAwareness
the gauntlet and the cube in the same film? this make me think that we wont see a completed gaunlet till the end if that,as a nice teaser 4 avengers 2
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Dec. 29, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST
Tazz and wrath...ya old-timers...a local store would rent out laserdiscs and players
by openthepodbaydoorshal
and I would dub copies of my favorites (even in that amazing configuration called "letterbox") onto my SuperBeta with (I recall) an incredible 330 lines of resolution. That was when I wasn't playing my Sega master videogame system. As you said wrath....damn, we gots it good nowadays.
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I had a whole rack of betas I had recorded rented LDs (and some VHS) on. Then the Beta player broke and I had to constantly break out the screwdriver to mess with the tape tension to get it work. When I moved out I left it behind with my roommates, mostly because the girl I was moving in with said "No fuckin' way." Man I had a shitload of gems in there, some of which still haven't even debuted on DVD, let alone Blu-ray. But that's ok because my attitude towards watching anything less than Blu-ray is "Never again." So if I have to wait another 5 years to get A.P.E.X. or Arena, or Metamorphosis: The Alien Factor on Blu-ray, so be it.
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My brother had already seen it, decides to sit behind me, my siblings and their friends. During the chest-bursting scene he proceeded to scare the living shit out of us. Great times. Saw The Shining on opening night the next year with my sister. Rocked my little world. Have been a King fan and Kubrick Shining fan ever since...
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Dec. 29, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST
Since Fincher managed to somehow, against all odds and universal physical laws, tank Girl With The Dragon Tattoo...
by mdk
...you KNOW Fux will PG-13 brand this puppy. And it will suck, too. Cinema is dead, they just haven't streamed the funeral online yet.
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...was kickin' it up in Asgard. One minute they're havin' a turkey dinner, then "Whoa! Who the fuck is this asshole?" I just assumed Odin threw him in a jail until they figured what to do with him...
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Dec. 29, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST
snyder fired - yeah soon as i saw GWTDT opening wkend i thought 'ah crap there goes Prometheus' R rating'
by CARTMANEZ
pg13 for sure now if GWTDT had done about 30m opening theyd prob still want pg13 promethues
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Could almost be a movie coming out today. Also the shot of Bilbo Baggins with a drop of semen dripping down his face is pretty funny.
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That is a nice one.
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I am ajit.
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Correct answer is: Alien + Aliens Aliens is the best sequel ever made. And so many movies have tried to emulate Aliens, unsuccessfully. Both have their strong points and both complement each other well. Cinematography: Alien Suspense: Alien Production design: Alien Humour: Aliens Memorable dialogue: Aliens Memorable characters: Aliens Effects: equal Rewatchability: Aliens If I had to pick one... ohh.. it'd be close and my preference has shifted back and forwards over the years, but after delving into all the extras multiple times, I'd put Aliens in front by a nose as I admire what Cameron did with it and how it could have so easily been lame.
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PROMETHEUSES... PROMETHE-AI? (Yes, I know it's the name of a ship, not a creature...) That's all the stale wit I have for today.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
If I hear one more time, the "mystery" was stripped when..." I'm going to get a hostage!
by ZodNotGod
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After making them into collective and insect-like. What was the point of the Queen if they needed humans to lay eggs? I dig Aliens but his characters say some of the worst dialouge. "Let's build a fire and sing some songs." Huh? thanks Burke.
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They always looked like models, but now even more so. It's just a bunch of toys rolling around. And the greenscreen is extremely obvious. Hey, I LOVE Aliens, I'm just not afraid to point out its faults. I'd point out the faults of Alien if it had any. ;)
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Dec. 29, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST
i think the divide of rewatchablity of ALIEN vs ALIENS is this:
by zom-bot.com
it depends on what you are most apt to do in your home- personally i like ALIEN on in the background while i tinker, design or clean house, though it is certainly watchable. when it's on you FEEL it in the room. ALIENS is one of those that, even if you own it, if it's on TV you get stuck on the couch watching it anyway, despite being edited. with ALIEN, if it's ever on TV, i can't stand the edit- they trim a lot of the beautiful silent or ambient fats off of it....but if it's on TV that reminds me i need to pop in the purest form of ALIEN i can find and watch it/be in the room with it. with ALIENS, it's on TV and i deal with it. also, ALIENS is too energetic to just leave on and do other things. it's a positive and a negative.
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"Alien Quadrilogy"? As far as I'm aware there are only two Alien films. Unless they are counting those two pathetic ripoffs that went as far as using the same actress and the same creature design.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST
still wonder why the difference in head design in ALIEN/ALIENS
by zom-bot.com
theories are: the ALIEN had a bubble head because it was born in space, to an extent....maybe the xenomorph does need oxygen to function (or a gas, perhaps) and has that dome as a bladder of sorts to do that for a period of time when/if it is in the vacuum of space. you can't say that the original big chap was a purer form of xeno, because the xenos in both movies both came from the derelict ship. so then we wonder why the ALIENS had a domeless exposed skull? were they- or even the queen- a mutation because they were nesting near a nuclear reactor? or did the drones not have domed skulls because they were on a planetoid with an atmosphere? has anyone ever read why cameron or stan winston changed that feature of them?
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Bullcrap! There were more real sets, models and location shooting done on the prequels than the originals. Look it up instead of speaking from your arse.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST
rtambree - amen brother, outside of Empire Strikes Back and The Godfather,
by openthepodbaydoorshal
sequels were not common and mostly stunk (Jaws 2, Exorcist 2, and although it's not bad, French Connection 2...). Aliens could have been bad in so many ways, thank God Cameron had the goods.
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In an insect hive, a male inseminates the queen and she gives birth to little drones, etc. In Cameron's Alien universe, I don't know. I assume a male inseminates the queen, she gives birth to facehuggers, which impregnate humans, which give birth to drones...I guess? You're right, it's two different reproductive systems squished into one. As brillinat a leap as it was to do that, it definitely muddies the water and kind of dumbs down the xenomorph into a stupid slave instead of the hunting predator it was in the first film. Funny you mention that line from Burke because my friend and I were also comparing the first two films just yesterday and I used that line as an example of how Cameron's version is slightly less realistic and menacing than Scott's version. Also this one: Ripley: This little girl lasted longer than that with no weapons and no training. Hudson: Why dontcha put her in charge? Hilarious shit to be sure, but a totally different vibe than the impending doom of the first film.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST
it will be interesting to see how PROMETHEUS lets ALIENS fit, if at all.
by zom-bot.com
there are certainly ways they can retcon and still make the urns/eggs make sense with alien/aliens and prometheus. or they could pretend that aliens doesn't exist. personally, i think the eggs are going to be shown to have been infected/defective/reprogrammed/'ripened' Urns after all. i'm thinking urns that were set up to seed humanoid life somehow get infected/implanted with some of the very biomechanoid DNA of their creators by humans experimenting or basically fucking with the order of things... not sure how i feel about that, but it's all speculation at this point.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST
another thing that makes ALIENS less watchable passively:
by zom-bot.com
the sounds of the ALIENS is straight up SAFARI ANIMAL sound effects. poorly edited, barely altered. the pulse rifle sound effect is one of the coolest gun noises ever produced, but that in combo with the elephant screeches in ALIENS is REALLY fucking grating to have on the the background. ALIEN definitely handled sound effect choices and mixing better. artfully. ALIENS was a little hamfisted about it. ironically though all of the noise clutter in ALIENS pays off in the final hive sequence when all you hear is the breathing of the queen, the sighing of Ripley's flamethrower and the pinging of the tracker.
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As long you don't count the Bond films as sequels that's mostly right, although I would say Bride of Frankenstien and the subsequent Universal monster films invented sequels. I thought Jaws 2 was pretty great. Sort of in that Aliens way in that it had more action in it but less mood. Ok so Jeanot Schwarc never really did another good film (Supergirl, despite all the charm and grace bestowed by Christian Slater's big sis, was a bust), he's done lots of great TV since then.
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"What's best to have on while I'm vacuuming".
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Don't forget, to all those deriding Cameron's version, Sigourney got a well-deserved Oscar nomination for Aliens. It had heart as well as humour - two things lacking in Ridley Scott's version. And Bishop's character was more interesting than Ash. The Queen was a master-stroke and building up the multiple climaxes in Aliens was genius. Also, Aliens came in on a budget of well under $20m. For an epic action-sci-fi circa 1986 that's great value. Rotten Tomatoes puts Aliens at 100% - it's a perfect movie. Alien is 96% Someone listed faults in Aliens. Fair enough. I'll list some for Alien: 1. No intermediate stage from chest-burster to fully grown. 2. At the end, it's more obviously a man-in-a-suit. 3. Too much running through sirens & steam in the last 30 minutes. This was fortunately cut in the Directors Cut. 4. Characters are less memorable with less quotable dialogue. 5. Once you've see it and know it , the shock-thrills wear off e.g. Captain in the air-duct. In other words, suspense ages less well than action films due to the thrill being in not knowing what's going to happen.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST
fett- i tend to be working on something design/sculpture related :)
by zom-bot.com
if i'm doing art or design in the living room, or office area, what i have on for music or tv in the house is of the utmost importance...lol i guess it just goes back to the fact that ALIEN had better sounds and ambience that it fits my need to enjoy as a room-filling soundtrack kind of flick, while ALIENS requires watching for some reason. though if i had to pic which looks AND sounds better, i'd still say ALIEN. i guess a good comparison would be that ALIEN is like a ballet and ALIENS is like a ball game. Both have merit, both can be enjoyed by the same person, but in different moods.
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Given so many sequels fail, they're obviously more difficult. Ridley Scott had the easier job - HR Giger's designs were a gift. How could you know screw that up? Haunted house in space. Cameron wrote the screenplay (Scott didn't) and extended the story perfectly - that is rare in sequels (most just repeat the plot e.g. faster and more intense). The ending of Aliens is very satisfying after the exhilaration of the last hour. The facehugger attack in the med-lab, the Queen's nest and the power-loader fights are brilliant action/suspense/horror set-pieces. Rarely equalled in all of sci-fi.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST
one good case to make- which is the better STAND ALONE movie?
by zom-bot.com
that would have to be ALIEN...because nothing in ALIENS would make sense without knowing a little something from the first one. ALIEN could totally end where it does and be a full film. ALIENS could neither begin or end they way it does without ALIEN at all. BUT that isn't a bad thing- that's what a perfect sequel should do. be different, but not too different - take a property in another direction but never let you forget where it started.
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Yes, good point. Alien stands alone. But I'm willing to bet Aliens gets re-watched more frequently than Alien. Your mates know all the lines... it's a lot of fun. It's everything a summer blockbuster should be.
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Amazing (and depressing0 that Cameron wrote the screenplay in his 20s. Directed it at age 31. Scott was a late-starter. First big feature in his 40s.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST
rtambree, touche, though I'll take issue with your points
by Jaster Mareel
1. No intermediate stage from chest-burster to fully grown. Response:No Alien film has ever had an intermediate stage, including Aliens. The implication is that it grows really fast. 2. At the end, it's more obviously a man-in-a-suit. Response: You never even see it full-figured on the screen until it gets blown out the airlock. At least Scott got a really uniquely lithe person to play the alien. Cameron just got normal sized stuntment. Plus cameron fucked with the design: -He changed the hands into big meathooks instead of the subtley beautiful Giger design. -He got rid of the translucent cowl. -He changed the black coloration to airbrushed blue. -He also gave them stupid-looking feet. 3. Too much running through sirens & steam in the last 30 minutes. Response: It's SUPPOSED to get you rattled and on-edge. It does this very effectively. 4. Characters are less memorable with less quotable dialogue. Response: Sure dialogue is more memorable when you're cracking one-liners, sure. Does that make it a more or less effective horror film? Go ask Freddy Krueger. 5. Once you've see it and know it , the shock-thrills wear off Response: It will never be like the first time, but I would say the same about action films, comedies or really any film. You know what's going to happen next. You know damn well that Newt is just fine when she is taken and that Bishop is coming back with the carrier for example. I'm not trying to argue with you, but I don't acknowledge any faults in Alien. :)
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But yeah, Alien FTW!
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and Promethize ones for Treks - Wrath of Khan, The Motion Picture, First Contact, 2001, 2010, Event Horizon, Masters of the Universe etc
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST
We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night... mostly.
by Rtobert
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090605/quotes
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Dec. 29, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST
I'd just like to draw everyone's attention to the flaws in the Alien movie......
by cameron
..........What were you expecting
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was also on Planet of the Apes...and many more caught Star Trek TMP again the other night and noticed that had some very Inceptiony like sound FX - i wonder if that was the first film
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Ripley, dolly doesn't have bad dreams because she's just a piece of plastic.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST
ok, I just figured out why the talkbacks delete random shit from posts
by Jaster Mareel
It's quotation marks. Any time you use them, it will only include what was inside them and delete everything outside of them. In my last post I pointed out that Newt needs her grubby little face slapped. Both for the above quote and for purposefully twisting out of her coat when Ripley had her by the sleeve.
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The kid was good. She held her end up. It's wasn't a Jake Lloyd type of kid. It wasn't PG-13. The horror in Aliens was at least as kickass graphic as Alien. So the kid didn't detract from the movie at all. Sorry - that doesn't count as a valid point :) Alien didn't have Hudson in it. :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIgyr1_Z_qA
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Aliens, by a Queen.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST
Re:Jeanot Schwarc...used to see his pop up on a lot of Night Gallery's in the early '70s.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
..and although it is waaay too mushy for my taste, a legion of fans love his Somewhere In Time.
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So if you had to choose just one to take to a desert island? I think I'd get bored with Alien quicker, than with Aliens.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST
Alien and Aliens get into a bar brawl along with T1 and T2 - which two make it out?
by CARTMANEZ
its a tough and nasty fight, evenly matched...mostly...until in the end the vicious and nasty horrorific Alien and T1 leave their actionized, kiddiefied horror diluted sequels crying on the floor - then the bar doors open....and Promethues steps into the bar.... To be continued...
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I think you'd be in the minority there. The consensus is that T2 surpasses the original. T1 has dated in a very 80s way. With Aliens, it's closer. Look, they're all brilliant classics. Alien + Aliens = 1 x 4.5 hour movie Ditto for Terminator.
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How can you say it bombed? It only just opened and domestic gross is $32m in less than a week. Its Rotten Tomatoes rating is 85% Foreign box office to come.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST
T1 has dated in a very 80s way - yes as it was SET in the 80s!
by CARTMANEZ
i guess BTTF has dated badly too
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In Alien, watching it the first time, you didn't really care who was the last one standing. Could have been any of them. Dallas? Didn't matter. But during the last hour of Aliens, all the audience was rooting for Ripley, Newt and Hicks. You cared about the outcome. And that's why the opening of Alien3 hurt so much - as great characters were killed off.
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Point taken re: not killing Sarah at the end. Yes, if you analyse any Hollywood movie too deeply there'll be bits that don't make sense, aren't consistent, character acting unrealistically, etc. These are summer movies after all. I thought the mental institution break-out sequence in T2 was superb (editing, suspense, etc) - probably a stronger action set-piece than the ending. The movie climaxed too early. The empty foundry is a cliche.
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The only reason T2 is so popular, even among geeks, is that is the one they saw first. The terminator is hard-fucking-core. He kills you without batting an eye because of your fucking name. He keeps firing even after you have collapsed, just to make goddamn sure you are fucking dead. He is an unstoppable killing machine. He has no more sympathy for those it kills than a fucking meat grinder has for the cow. one FUCK of a fantastic villain! Then Cameron went back to the trough and fucked it all up by making "A Boy and his Terminator" YEESH!
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Linda Hamilton's acting was superior in T2, just like Sigourney's was better in Aliens. T2 also had a real budget so the effects/action sequences were top-shelf. Why choose? I always watch them back-to-back, never just T1 on its own or Alien on its own.
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similar to Alien and Aliens if you like dark, hard R rated, pessimistic, intense Sci Fi horror with lots of unanswered questions and a deep sense of mystery/eeriness that chills - then you will favour T1 and Alien over T2 and Aliens... im hoping Prometheus will be like that too....(i think it will:)
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Yes, its true. In the spacey afterglow of Star Wars and my burgeoning sci-fi mania, my single mother would take me to see anything with a spaceship in it, God bless her. So when we saw the poster for Alien at the local two screen movie house on main street, we went. I think she covered my eyes during the chestburster scene with those amazing onscreen-nudity-or-impending-car-collision reflexes only mothers have. Also, I disgree with whoever said Star Trek The Motion Picture looks dated. Even the theatrical cut is great to look at even today and holds up remarkably well - regardless of its merits as a piece of cinema.
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These online geek Brian Cox references on these many threads I just don't get. Why him , how did it start? Why is it funny? Why is it being run into the ground when it's so not funny!
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Now, I know that some of you can't comprehend that idea...and that's fine. But if it weren't for the glimpses of the Derelict and the Space Jockey seat, you'd all be talking about how typical and pedestrian it looked. Seriously. You know this to be true.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST
Excuse me, but I thought the prevailing opinion was that kids in theaters suck
by bah
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The sheers genius of ALIEN, the adrenaline injected and equally brilliant ALIENS, and (with fingers crossed on a great ride) the upcoming PROMETHEUS - this might just provide the awe-inspiring trilogy that never happened. Try, try, try as I have, I loathe ALIEN 3. And ALIEN RESURRECTION - 5 minutes of this film were impressive, but then the writer simply got drunk or left it to his sister's pre-prepubescent kids to write. I have no problem accepting the slow-burn intensity of Ridley Scott's original, followed by James Cameron's more action orientated follow-up. The "ant-like" behaviour exhibited by the creatures in ALIENS is perfectly plausible as a queen and her colony had developed. The creatures acted more like a pact, either by choice or being ordered to by the queen. In ALIEN, the creature is acting alone, knowing it's alone, and is much more careful, no doubt knowing that it the "last" or only one of its species. And in regards to the Cameron / ALIENS detractors - like it or not, ALIENS is now fully engrained in the alien mythology with Ridley Scott making a big nod to at least one major concept in Cameron's sequel: terraforming. I only wish Cameron could be convinced to make a proper sequel to his alien film, one where Hicks, Newt, Bishop and Ripley exist, or at least exit the story with decent plausibility and respect for the characters, something pathetically omitted in ALIEN 3.
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You'll find what you seek here http://tinyurl.com/d63b66b
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Ahhh I get it. Thanks Larry s! The typo of him being in ALIEN which he clearly was never in. I can def see how that's funny in the moment on that article but damn seems like the joke is really being run into the ground I see it for everything thread I mean I know he is playing one of the HOBBITS in the new flick so he seems to be in everything....ahhhh see what I did there, I'm down with the cool kids now, I'm playing along.
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I read in a Starlog special magazine that Cameron WAS planning to put the translucent cowl on the aliens. The original 1979 xeno had painted ribs on the side of the head that showed through the cowl. Winston's team went ahead and sculpted the ribs out for the '86 xenos. When Cameron saw the sculpture he liked it and decided to leave the cowl off. He rationalized it by saying that the bony structure under the cowl was "soft" on the newborn aliens (the xeno is only a few hours old in ALIEN). The xenos in ALIENS had time to mature a bit and Cameron said that maybe the cowl would drop off, like baby teeth. Anybody else remember those Starlog magazine specials? Man, I had one for every sci-fi flick since STAR TREK II: The Wrath of Khan. ALIENS had TWO magazine specials! Ahhh...the good old days. Hope all my fellow geeks have a Happy New Year!
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all the trek movie ones and Aliens plus total recall, T2 etc they were Essential buys at the time of the movies release (along with the comic adapations and novels)
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Yes, I already have it on DVD (and VHS) and I wasn't going to shell for the blu ray but, hey, 9 bucks!
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Good God, how bad can movies be. The only thing worse than 'Alien 3' was 'Alien 4'.
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Dec. 29, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST
This edit is a great reminder of how incredible the look of ALIEN is
by Autodidact
.. especially considering the state of technology when they made it. All that money poured into building sets resulted in a film that will never look old.
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Especially one centered on TIME TRAVEL.
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T2 and ALIENS kiddified? KIDDIFIED??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA T2 a kiddified movie ,a kiddified movie which has a whole sequence where LA gets nuked,buildings and moving cars are lifted up in the air and destroyed like they are made of thin paper and people,among them a mother with her kid,a KID FFS,are burned down to their ashes and only their skeletons are left.And you watch all this happening,it is not implied,it is happening in front of your eyes. So T2 where millions of people die in a single sequence is a kiddified movie.right.next kiddified movie: Robocop and Total Recall.all that blood was ketchup in reality.
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They are all fucking amazing.
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...all wrong, so very wrong. You must talking about 'Tin Tin', 'Chipmunks 3' or 'Happy Feet 2'. Fincher's 'Girl With The Dragon Tattoo' is a terrific film. You'll see the light one day. And GWTDT opened in cinemas one week ago. Mostly in the States. It's yet to be released in England, France, the rest of Europe, Auatralia, and other more lucrative destinations. American made films - particularly the blockbuster intended types - are no longer exclusively dependent on the American market for final results. GWTDT will have a very successful run overseas, with green-lit sequels planned sometime in the next couple of years.
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but you all just got............ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..............coxxed!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec. 30, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST
the sequels were supposedly green-lit before the release
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
It's a big disappointment. Although it's going to have a decent run after a very slow opening Christmas weekend. I don't see them bothering with the sequels now. I guess they might slash the budget in half and perhaps get another director.
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Dec. 30, 2011, 6:31 a.m. CST
killik - i meant 'kiddified' in that both T2 and Aliens have kids in em
by CARTMANEZ
that was all
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Dec. 30, 2011, 6:34 a.m. CST
autodidact - agreed in that trailer Alien looks like it could be part 2 of Prometheus filmed back to back for release summer 2013
by CARTMANEZ
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here pus pus pus pus pus Even Ridley Scott said he was embarrassed by the cheap scare with Jones in the locker
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Sorry if this theory has been explored before, but do the explorers in the Prometheus trailer become the ACTUAL Xenomorphs? There are two spots where we see some "altered" humanoids. One where someone/thing leaps off an overhang and looks altered, and another where something is walking around the space jockey with its face altered. Then we have the scene where Theron is affected by something. Does she become the egg-laying queen, and the rest her drones to mate with? The alien actually has a semi-opaque frontal area with a humanoid skull inside [see original toy model] and it is bipedal. Are they playing "God" with the space jockey's locked-away data ala "Species" (a great film BTW)? The arrangement of the pedestals like eggs, the worshipping of a face/queen alien, there's too much here for Scott's "no xenomorphs in this move" to be believed. That chest-bursted Jockey doesn't necessarily mean something burst OUT as well... perhaps someone/thing burst IN (mouth parts?). Anyone? SO CURIOUS!
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Still it remains the darkest movie of the series.So what's your point?
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Alien Ripley! Winona Ryderbot! Ron Perlman chomping scenery! Batshit Brad Dourif! I need hardly go on.
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Can't understand why they threw away the best part of the original. Shit hits the fan and BAM you're in space, Silence is deafening together with the best oneliner you could get. Also Prometheus looks like some Sci Fi action epic, safe to say they're shooting themselves in the foot. with a fucking shotgun! They better take their time building up that tension
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Dec. 30, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST
Aliens is still the better movie - yes from roughly 1986-2010
by CARTMANEZ
now the general opinion seems to be Alien is the superior movie abit like when Superman II was considered better than Superman The Movie for many years cos it had loads more action...then around 2001 everyone was like uh? STM is WAY better
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What are you basing your general opinion on? Check out the CURRENT Rotten Tomatoes scores. Aliens is ranked first with 100%
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I respect Alien. It's very well made. You could even call it a film (versus a movie). You could even call it art (versus craft). But I love Aliens. It's more fun: more of a roller coaster ride, more thrills, more horror, more action, more humour, more character movements, and the best mulitiple climaxes in a summer movie.
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Dec. 30, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST
Alien and Aliens are two movies which belong in two complete different
by KilliK
genres.the first one is a space horror movie,the second one is a space action movie with horror elements in it.You cant compare them because the directors had their own,personal and completely different vision for their own movie.It's like comparing lemons with limes.Both similar fruits but quit different in their taste,their ingredients and their usage. Besides,you cant compare A1 with A2 but you can compare A1 with A2 and A3 with A4 since they are more similar in their concept and goals. As for me,I love both,i thank both of the genius artists who created them,they will always be immortal cinematic masterpieces and i dont have to choose between them because i have both of them in their blurays sitting on the shelf and i can watch them whenever i like.
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...and that's the shot of the obvious "man in suit" at the end.
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Just because some hipsters decided it became cool to hate on James "The King" Cameron doesn't make it true.
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Dec. 30, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST
So I was watching Alien last night, how is Ash trying to kill Ripley with a magazine?
by Al
I don't think he's trying to smother her because, uh, her nose airway is still open. Is he just trying to jam a rolled up magazine through her throat and kill her that way, or make her choke?
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Dec. 30, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST
@lisab ditto.somehow the melting puppets enhance the horror of the
by KilliK
unknown,god-like power which emerges from the ark. My real problem with the ending in Raiders is how the hell Indy knew what was going to happen and how to save their lives.And even if this is explained,it is still a cheap trick to defend yourself against the mighty power of the ark.I mean ever their ropes were cut down by themselves after the ark was closed. Now maybe Spielberg's original intention was to show that God's wratch falls into the bad guys the Nazis but spares Indy and Karen,because they are the good heroes.But that is ambiguous in the whole sequence. What i would have done as director (yeah),would be the following: Have Indy and Karen with their eyes open,watching the ceremony.After all Indy wanted to see what was inside the ark.That's why he didnt destroy it with the rpg in the first place.You also dont have to explain how on Earth Indy knew in the last moment,that something bad was going to happen and that by closing his eyes he could avoid it. Now when the ark is opened and the ghosts emerge,have them flying through the Nazi villains and their soldiers like in the movie and THEN have all the ghosts gather in front of the tied up Indy and Karen.The ghosts gaze at the now scared Indy and Karen with an inquisitive look,like judging them and then they leave them alone and return back to the Nazis.There they turn into demons and the rest is what happens in the movie. That way you give the notion to the sequence,that the Wrath of God or wtf was inside the ark,spared the lives of Indy and his girlfriend and punished the evil guys.That also connects with the previous scene in the ship's hold,in the crate with the ark.The Nazi symbol in the crate is burned down by the Ark,so we discover that the Ark holds indeed an unnatural power and that this power is against evil and what represents it. The Nazis are evil,Indy and Karen are good,ergo the Ark punishes the evil and spares the good.No cheap resolutions with closing your eyes.If that was the case then you lose all the mystery and danger that the Ark holds. Bes Show the angelic ghosts flying ar
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Dec. 30, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST
@tallboy6t6 He was trying to rape her by forcing fellatio on her.
by KilliK
The rolled magazine was symbolizing the penis.That was the sexual subtext of that scene,which also happens to be one of the many that the movie has.Well at least that is one of the established interpretations of that scene.
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Dec. 30, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST
killik - wasnt there a line in Raiders about who looks upon the ark will suffer its wrath in the Government agent scene or something?
by CARTMANEZ
might have read it in the novel or a scene that didnt get filmed or somewhere but wherever it was Indy knew he shouldnt look inside the ark through his knowledge on the ark - it was kind of an ace up the sleeve over Belloq also explained why those in the picture of the arks destruction were holding the ark above them so not to look inside.. also it makes sense that Indy and Marion shouldnt see the angels - leaving it more ambigious to them as to what exactly happened
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I just always took it that he was glitching heavily by that time. The way his mouth and eyes were sort of ticking and flicking made me think he had suffered some sort of malfunction, possibly caused by a very real emotion of anger and hatred towards Ripley clashing with his rational/logical psychological programming.
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but that contradicts the scene with Indy threatening to destroy the ark with the rpg but then he agrees with Belock that they both want to see what is inside the ark.In the immediately next sequence he suddenly tells to Marion to close her eyes,even before the ghosts start flying.All this just doesnt add very well,that's what i am saying. Not that it is a major problem for the movie,only a minor nitpick which i had since i was a kid.And yeah,the first time i saw the melting faces i got scared shitless.Now i only shit on that Crystal Suck fiasco.
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Dec. 30, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST
@tallboy6t6 And dont forget that the milk-like liquid that is pouring out
by KilliK
from the beheaded Ash,symbolizes the semen.yep.
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Indy doesn't destroy the Ark because as an object it is bigger than him and anyone else present. "This IS history." But he closes his eyes for a different reason: he has found faith in the depths of his cynicism (contradicted later by belief in the stones from Temple of Doom). Sallah was right...it was something man was not meant to disturb. Indy'slast resort was to shut his eyes and hope that the power of God would spare those who averted their gaze from His glory.
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Dec. 30, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST
@cartmanez But what about Belock? As an archaeologist,he was as
by KilliK
Hello mr God,are you there? it is a me the Pope of Rome.Now be a good chap and do me a favor.Burn those Allies bastards so that i can become the Pope of the whole world.
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but it was not properly portrayed in the movie. Indy didnt destroy the Ark because it was one of the most treasured and sought after ancient relics in the archaeology and as an archeologist wanted to see what was the deal. It is like a physicist is threatening to blow up the CERN,but he doesnt do it because he wants to finally learn if the Higgs particle does exist.It is not only for making history but also to satisfy your need scientific need for knowledge.the same goes for Indy.
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But Belloq's speech probably has a different effect than the antagonist intended. He is a "shadowy reflection" of Indy. Belloq wants to see it because he is greedy, self-absorbed, and although he believes it will allow him to speak to God, he isn't humble enough to consider that God might not want to have a chat. Indy wants to see it because it comes down to destroying what may be the only proof on Earth that God exists and fighting his way off of Nazi island, or, if he's going to die, he might as well see the whole thing through. But as soon as the hairs prickle up on the back of his neck, he decides that if the Ark DOES work as in the Bible, there's only one way out. Anyway, up for interpretation as is anything. I mean, are the Jawas meant to be Mexicans, Asians, or the Munchkins of Oz? Only Lucas knows, and he threw that napkin away back in '78.
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FACT.
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The religious ramifications of the Ark are rarely discussed in the movie.Even when Beloq is explaining to him that the Ark might be a way to communicate with God,Indy is laughing. He is not interesting about proving the existence,he doesnt care about religion,faith,being humble and all that.He only wants to discover the secrets,whatever these secrets are.
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But at the end,Indiana randomly decides to close his eyes in order not to see what lies inside the Ark.Whereas in Last Crusade you had his father who put him back on track before it was too late ,in the Raiders he is alone and suddenly remembers the ominous legends about the Ark and closes his eyes although one scene before that,he surrendered in order to see what was in the Ark. And that doesnt work very well in the sequence.
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you cant even post a coherent post.jesus.
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The religious ramifications of the Ark are rarely discussed in the movie.Even when Beloq is explaining to him that the Ark might be a way to communicate with God,Indy is laughing. He is not interesting about proving the existence,he doesnt care about religion,faith,being humble and all that.He only wants to discover the secrets,whatever these secrets are.
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That is the most insightful comment I have seen here...Heck, I've not posted in like two years. He is absolute right. Many of the scenes "in the kitchen", whether they had just woke up, eating dinner, or just before it popped out of Hurt's chest were all, choppy, hearing bits and pieces of dialog, seeing one, but hearing another. I never really noticed that until Zombot pointed it out.
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i do know that a good bit of the chatter was improvised- they were perhaps given brief things to talk about but then run with it. especially the fateful chestburster scene, it's well known that no one knew what it would look like when it came out, their reactions to it were pretty genuine.
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I'm extremely concerned with the fact that there is now not a single video rental place in my town of almost 200,000 people. There are 20 different stores selling big HDTVs, but not a single place to rent blu-rays because all these fucking idiots mostly get their movies "on demand" and insist that "it's AMAZING HD DERP DERP". At my bro-in-law's place on Xmas day, watching movies with the teenage/college kids... motion smoothing was on, couldn't stand it so I demanded the remote. None of the kids had any fucking clue what I was doing or how to do it (putting the TV into 24p mode). Meanwhile there is a big orange button to do it in one press on the remote. These kids sit around watching all their movies with motion smoothing on. And they have blu-ray players but own almost no blu-rays. Most people can't keep straight that a blu-ray player also needs blu-ray discs in it. They mostly just play DVDs in their blu-ray players and the real fucking nitwits insist that "upconversion" is just as good as actual high bitrate 1080p.. I want to fucking slap people who say that shit.
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I've just re-watched both Alien and Aliens recently, and noticed an amazing detail I've never noticed before. At the end of Alien, when Ripley opens the door and the creature is about to get sucked into space, it reaches out its arms and holds to the borders of the door. Then Ripley shoots at it with this harpoon which is attached to the gun with a cable, causing the creature to let go off the door and shot into space, snapping the pistol out of Ripley's hand. Ripley then proceeds to close the door and it comes down on the cable just before the pistol goes out the ship, thus causing the creature to remain hanging at the outside of the ship's rear. You know what happens after that. Well, it turns out that at the beginning of Aliens, when Ripley is being rescued, you have this welding machine cutting open the door. If you look carefully you'll notice that on the floor, at the doors feet, there is the pistol lying. I simply smiled. Perhaps you've already noticed it, but I never have. It was just amazing.
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Dec. 31, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST
Agree autodidact about blurays and retardation of society. Things are getting kinda bad.
by Xen11
Everything is going to ondemand which is inferior to true HD. If you want the best possible quality and HD, you need a Blu Ray disc. Your options are: To actually pay to buy the film on bluray or "pirate" it in full bluray disc rip glory (for the few uploaders that bother to up the whole disc). Renting is no longer an option. Through all major rental vendors, they have stripped down versions of the Blu Ray discs. They only have the movie itself with all special features blocked out. It makes me question if the movie itself isn't stripped down. Studios are pissed because they are too fucking stupid to realize that its their own damn fault that sales are not to their liking. Lower the fucking prices: of BluRay discs and movie tickets. Not many people have money to just blow their load on every movie they see available. That's why ticket prices rise for every installment of Twilight and Batman because they know that for those particular films, price is not an option for people because to them the film is worth seeing, its a big event. But other films, fuck you studios, we're going to be selective, so that means fewer dollars towards movies we don't really care to see enough to fork over $10 or more. And the MPAA blame pirates when pirates are actually saving their fucking ass by promoting their goddamn products. Now the MPAA is trying to take over the fucking internet and they will succeed because they are bribing everyone to pass their cocks through the keyhole and bribing others to make it fit. So you censor and shut down the freedom part of the internet, you cut off communications with people, and hinder all efforts to free the world from oppression, thus throwing the world back into a dark age era where pirates will have to start actually physically breaking into places and assassinating Mr. God, C.E.O. just to send a message to others. Cause communication with the world just got a lot harder. Looks like the "terrorists" of 9/11 were ahead of their time.
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That's what happens when people, a society, is oppressed and ruled by religion and what Mr. God (copyrighted) wants you to believe and how to live. They get angry, they get their suppression of freedom bottled up and they lash out because there's no way out. They have to send a message and to send a message is suicide because you will be killed or jailed for the rest of your life if you take a stand and fight. You become "crazy" and war happens. That's why freedom and so called "piracy" must stay alive and allowed to breathe. And it all starts with the rising price of a ticket and an extremely evil and greedy monarchy known, in this case, as the MPAA which is just a small-time crook working under a much larger umbrella. The umbrella is the ignorant society of the Christian Conservative Coalition which runs the oil industry and the churches that keep the majority, the drones, serving them. Paying them a satisfying wage for working for them, keeping them "happy" with lies and promises of an afterlife, keeping their minds from wandering by telling them what to think through Fox News. This coalition is a parallel to all the other religious societies through the world which all think that, "They're can be only one!" Thus they fight each other when they are all the same.
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Well spotted - I just took a look and yes, the harpoon pistol is still there, 6 years after filming the first one. Did you spot the bit where Bishop returns the (useless) firearm that Vasquez hands him when entering the pipe? Nice little moment.
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During the breakfast scene Bishop assures Ripley that he can't damage a human because of some behavioral inhibitor mechanism. Looks like he wasn't lying :-) The reason I noticed the harpoon was because I watched both movies back to back and it simply occurred to me out of curiosity. Cheers to Sir James.
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I love my blu so much, but the prices for TV box-sets is ridonkulous.
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Dec. 31, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST
Βιshop didnt take the gun not because he was not allowed to carry weapons
by KilliK
in case he tried to harm people.But rather he thought that it was better to give the gun back because they needed it more than he did.They were out of ammo and trapped while he could escape unnoticed threw the pipe system.He did the logical thing.
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makes it sound like a mix between Doom and Aliens vs Predator. It has people mutating into Aliens, and something about Aliens creating humans on earth with dna. Its crackpot psuedo-science stuff, the kind of stuff people that believe in alien abductions and crop circles believe. Its what some people believe rather than evolution. I hope thats not what its about. That sounds bad, but I want to see it anyway.
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I just looked up a Netflix style service in Canada... there is one called zip.ca that has "kiosks" and apparently there is one IN MY BUILDING! (There is a sort of mall at the bottom of my apartment building). Before I get too excited I'll assume the selection is shit and that there are probably not even any blu-rays in it. But, even if it only has the biggest blockbuster blu-rays, that would be something... a way for me to impulsively rent HP7 pt 2... impulse is the only way I'm ever going to see that movie on blu-ray.
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The map system on their kiosk search is a bit befuddling... the nearest kiosk is 10KM or so away. I will probably look into their rent-by-mail system, although I'd really rather have a video store to go walk around in. I hate to say this, but I'd almost like to see a new take on the old "VRML" interface for online shopping... I don't understand why no stores have done this... you could totally do it these days.
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.. and it was fabulous. This time I really scanned the picture for details. There's a lot of stuff to look at in this movie. Yes I spent NYE alone. It comes down to still being burnt out from Xmas on overhyped social occasions that come with all sorts of extra logistics and awkwardness. Not to mention that all my friends have turned into pod people, fulfilling their obligatory reproductive quotas and becoming about 75% less interesting and conducive to fun (not to mention way less single girls at the parties) in the process...
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http://i.qkme.me/jpi.jpg HA.
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It's not far off.
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i spent NYE alone too. friends are all familied up with kids etc. dont go out much anymore and when they do they just talk about their wives/kids/facebook
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Jan. 1, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
David Lynch sums up the iPodding of movies http://youtu.be/wKiIroiCvZ0
by zom-bot.com
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'the acting in Alien is totally amazing and what helps the movie to be the most realistic space horror ever. Aliens is obviously an action classic but it cant touch Alien imo. unlike years past when Alien/Aliens were seen as like yin and yang, Aliens not a sequel but an 'equal' (much like T1/T2...but again with that T1 is the real horror deal and T2 an expensive action retred)' Well said, sir. On both fronts.
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'Did you spot the bit where Bishop returns the (useless) firearm that Vasquez hands him when entering the pipe? Nice little moment.' I seem to recall reading that that moment was improvised by Henriksen.
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People always refer to it as a "non-stop roller coaster of action" but it really does a nice job (like most James Cameron movies) of using the first act to establish character and motivation, and equally important to me, story logic and setting.
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This might be a contradiction in terms, depending on how you classify "non-stop". Almost all roller-coasters begin with a chain pull section that slowly pulls you up to the peak of potential energy. During this section, nothing "exciting" is happening, but the anticipation itself brings a certain flavour of thrill, and the mechanism also needs to do this work to set you up for the action that is to follow. "Aliens" follows this pattern very well. You might well regard the entire film up until sub-level three as the chain pull of the roller coaster. Is it "non-stop"? Well, yes, although the first section is moving very slowly...
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Aliens really has two chain pull sections. After the sub-level three escape, there's another lengthy chain pull section that ends at the moment where Ripley and Newt realize they are trapped with the face-huggers. From that point onwards, things ARE pretty much non-stop until the end. But that point is at least two thirds of the way through the movie.
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If you're a human being who communicates regularly with other human beings, you'll probably take the connotation from the term "non-stop roller coaster" that it is constantly exciting end to end, which does not apply to ALIENS. ALIENS is a masterpiece, entertaining end to end, but is only non-stop action for act 3.
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I don't mean to call you pedantic btw.
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Besides the moral issues, pirating is just too much fucking trouble. The whole point of renting is to be impulsive and non-commital about it. I've signed up with a disc-by-mail rental service. I have never used such a service, given my preference for aisle browsing. But it seems to be the next best thing for renting... you get a physical 1080p blu-ray. There are a half-dozen recent big blu-ray releases on my mailing list. If at least half of them come early this week I'll think about staying past the free trial.
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I was planning on signing up to Blockbuster or something like it, but I then found out that studios are now sending them stripped down versions of the disc that are basically cock teases because they want you to purchase the "real" disc. So for me, its a no go. I'll have to stick to pirating. There's nothing morally wrong or wrong in any way when you "pirate" a movie. You are not actually stealing anything at all. You are getting an advertisement for the film. When you download a cam, that does not replicate the theater experience. I never watch cams, but I do download them because studios may change the theatrical version of a film upon release and I just like to have that as a record because actual films are destroyed, movies do not stay in theaters. I often will download a cam after seeing the film in theaters and watch a part I may have missed some dialogue on or to clear something up in the plot. I don't buy films anyway, but when I do see something I love, then I will plan on buying it. Television has pirating to thank. There's no way I could see ANY series if it weren't for the ability to download rips from tele. And because I love what I see, I definitely buy those entire series when released altogether. I am so in love with Terminator that I actually preordered the second season on blu ray (and I don't even own a blu ray player) just to support the series. I never preorder. The two seasons still remain wrapped in their sealed plastic. I have still not purchased a blu ray player as I still have not bought a HDTV. I watch everything through the computer via HD rips. It's the only way I can afford to watch now. And my doing that with tv series is not the reason they have low ratings. I don't have a Nielsen box, so my viewing does not count. If I had one of those boxes, I would say or put down that I watch certain series without actually watching, because no one has the time to watch something at a designated time. Even someone as rich as Paris Hilton has things to do. MPAA should be sucking pirates' dicks for what they are doing.
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I still want to buy the actual product, it only encourages me to when I view something great. There's no difference between pirating a film, borrowing it from a friend, or borrowing it from a library. I'll always point to films in theaters still breaking records. I'll point to Wolverine being leaked a month in advance and it still making tons of money. AND the movie really fucking sucked on top of that. I'll point to raised ticket prices and a crap economy for any less than stellar performances at the box office. Increased prices in general, for 3D, for IMAX. Oh the things I go through to just to watch a film at the theater. I have to go less and less because of the ever increasing ticket prices. Even someone like me who lives for it has a limit. I now only see the big movies, the movies that will take advantage of the cinema experience. Also "filmic" experiences are a must. A Quentin Tarantino film MUST be seen on film in a theater. There's nothing better. And that's why the box office increases ticket prices everytime a Batman and a Twilight come out: They know people will see those no matter what, so up go the prices. I also point to the most pirated films being the highest grossing at the box office. There is no negative effect, only positive.
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Yes, Aliens had a build-up similar to the first movie's build up, but with a better pay-off. In Titanic, it was 2 hours(!) before the iceberg hit. Two hours of character development - longer than most movies. And Cameron gets labelled a dumb action director.
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If you don't have a credit card then yeah it's probably damn hard to see a lot of the movies you want to without pirating. I don't know why you don't have a credit card, but unless you're completely broke (which you might well be and I would NOT judge you for it) you should get one, it makes life easier. I don't pirate but I stay on top of tech and copyright as part of my job and etc. Here are my objections to pirating: 1. It's illegal. Slightly more so than speeding or jaywalking. I'm not saying that being illegal makes it wrong. I'm saying it makes it trouble. 2. It's immoral. You can rationalize all day about how you're actually marketing the purchase to yourself by downloading, etc.. from the studio/artist's point of view you've gone out of your way to avoid paying for their product/work. 3. It's a pain in the arse. You have to find the file, download the file, extract the file, TRUST the file, and then there's all the uncertainty/worry about whether the whole movie is there, whether it'll play all the way through, whether the sound will stay in sync, etc. 4. Loss of quality. Don't tell me there's no quality lost. Anytime you rip/decrypt and then re-encode, there will be a loss of quality. 5. It's ghetto. Nothing is ghetto in the same way as someone with a nice big LCD/Plasma, a PS3, and a binder full of burned movie discs. It's also ghetto to feed MKVs off a server, but less so and at least you get techy points for that. 6. No packaging. Now, we're mostly talking about renting so this doesn't really apply. Except that when you download a movie, you have it indefinitely unless you delete the file. But you have no packaging, and one of the best things about a collection is to put it on the shelf and display it. This is why I also don't download paid movies legally... I want discs in cases with poster art on them to sit in my media cabinet. I love flipping through them. Xen/Mental... you seem very sock-puppety to me.
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You can download 20 movies at a time if you want, and then watch a few minutes of each one in your office chair and etc. it just totally cheapens the whole concept and unitary value of a FILM. I like to savour and isolate the viewing experience of movies. This is called proper appreciation of art. It's something most download kiddies don't understand.
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I barely download films. I usually download previous films in a series so that I could go and PAY to watch its latest sequel in a theater, sometimes I PAY multiple times. If I didn't download the movies, then I would not be PAYING to see the latest in the series in a theater. And no fucking way am I buying each film in the series, not yet, not in a rush just to see the latest film. I would really love to rent films. I was planning on it, as I said. But they, the MPAA and the studios, really fucked things up which is perfectly stated in mentaldominance's posts. They treat their customers like shit. They are greedy fucks. They've stripped down rental discs in another effort to fuck people over. Proof that they are evil: SOPA They are trying to rule the fucking world. They are a corporation. They are trying to shut the internet down. YES the internet. The internet is not just a web of connected sites, but a web of connected sites that SHARE INFORMATION FREELY. If they can't do that, then its just another fucking controlled corporate advertisement (its already close to that with advertisements everywhere. Which is fine, but there is still the freedom for now.) As I stated way above, the internet is important in the development of humankind in a positive way if it stays as a web of freedom and communication that is NOT controlled and shut down by Corporations that have paid everyone off to regulate what can and can't be seen. Sock puppet? That would be you. You remind me of those mind implants that say that piracy is like killing an old lady on the streets.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
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And put some meds on it.
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Your posts read like ravings from the next hall in a mental ward. Each goddamn sentence doesn't need to be its own paragraph.
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I don't love many movies from the past ten years.
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I agree with you here that many people don't realize they're just consumers and not lovers of art.
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We just agree on the matter at hand.
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I think in order to steal something you have to take it away from the other person. Downloading a free copy of something certainly doesn't take away from the studio or artist. So I don't consider media piracy "stealing" but I do still think it's on the immoral side of the spectrum. Mindy Kaling has a good bit about it at the following link. And after that in the same clip is the best joke I've heard about Scarlett Johannson's voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcOdNc_seyM
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Clown.
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It says they'll get here Friday but I'll bet it's Thursday if they have indeed already shipped.
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