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UPDATE!! Want To Hear Some of Michael Giacchino's Score for JOHN CARTER?
UPDATE!!!
The show/JOHN CARTER excerpts are now streaming online!!
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Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with a super-quick heads up regarding an upcoming radio broadcast featuring a sneak-listen at one of the first highly anticipated scores of 2012.
Composer Michael Giacchino will be joining host David Garland live on Saturday, December 17th from 9PM-10PM EST on the radio show "Movies on the Radio." David informed me that they're planning on premiering some of Giacchino's score for JOHN CARTER (2012) along with some highlights from a few past projects and even answer listener questions.
There's a web page set up for the show where questions and comments can be submitted in advance.
Folks can also use that page to respond live during the show.
Tune in tomorrow night on WQXR FM 105.9 or wqxr.org
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His oscar for up was surely undeserved, don't you think? yeah, he sucks...
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He loved his Star Trek score.
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one of the best things about that movie imo
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I'm sick of all the bashing by the same crowd who worship electronic scores and Hans Zimmer.
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So it has that going for it. Which is nice.
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We need at least two more articles per day. I don't care what they're about. If even a single image gets released, I want a four paragraph write-up.
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Just don't think his style works well for big movies. Don't get me wrong, it's great for TV, thought it worked well for Lost. Even works at times for his Disney movies (Incredibles, etc.) There's just no sense of grandeur in his music. At least not in league with say John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner's earlier work. I've always thought if you're doing a genre movie (sci-fi, fantasy, adventure) the music should provide the film with another level to match the spectacular events seen on film. In the last Star Trek film I thought the music fell short of that. Just my opinion though. If ST however somehow returns to television, then there might be something...
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And while I didn't like that there were not more familiar tunes in his Star Trek score, THAT was good too. The man is great at composing film scores, and by now I think Talkback has spoiled all of its credentials trying to sound hip and too cool for this news by bashing people like him. Hell, it's full circle and now comments about this movie are snarky references to the original snarky responses to it. I've been around since before the Episode One dark times, but lately talkback sounds like vapid tweens who think they're twittering.
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I'm also wondering how Giacchino can breath and why he can jump so high?
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Dec. 16, 2011, 10:04 p.m. CST
drath "...lately talkback sounds like vapid tweens who think they're twittering."
by JumpinJehosaphat
There has never been a golden age where these forums were awash with thoughtful discourse on film. It's always been a few keen observers worth reading, surrounded by trolls, white knights, thread-shitters, and other typical denizens of the internet. The AICN TB community has always lent credibility to the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. I don't think "lately" applies, as this isn't new behavior.
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Dec. 16, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST
I wonder why Andrew Stanton didn't use Thomas Newman
by Nasty In The Pasty
Newman scored his last two Pixar movies, and the idea of Newman tackling an epic sci-fi project is tantalizing. I love Giacchino, but still wonder what Newman would have done with it.
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Musical notes for a movie of this caliber need to look more adventurous... or have a better sci-fi feel to them. Fucking Disney, watering down music notes just to sell tickets.
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I feel the same way. In fact, when Stanton was announced as the director, the 1st thought I had was, "Oh, good. Hopefully he'll ask Newman to do the music." Giacchino is fine, but I love Thomas Newman's use of weird instruments, and he can write a good, memorable tune. Maybe Stanton thought he'd be too whimsical, but I think some of the music from "Wall-E" shows he can do monumental heroic stuff in addition to intimate and curious. (Than again, maybe Newman was asked and he said, "No.")
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And not the Martian Harp thing from The Martian Chronicles television series - it'll be fucking terrible!
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And anyone who whines that television composers never make good film composers I'd like to introduce you to a guy called Jerry Goldsmith!
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Dec. 17, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST
Drives me nuts when people say he started with TV
by Ben_Richards_Bomb_Collar
He started in video games. Some of his earliest stuff (and still the best imo) was on the Medal of Honor games Listen to some of this and then say he should stick to TV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuv69dyiQ1M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVXTMs_EjHQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agluo_SfrvI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLiRgNFvfGw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiIN5CnXmJg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKkn9vrclk&feature=related
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Dec. 17, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST
pussy ass cocksucking Michael Giacchino hackfuck motherfucker is doing the score for this movie???
by AsimovLives
Now i have an excelent reason to bash the movie. so far things were just reduced to bad trailers and weird visual representation of mars, which could just be a advertizement blunder. but now i know the mother of all hack composers in holywood is making the music for this movie. FUCK!!! Thanks for ruining whatever good will i had for this movie, cocksuckers! Fucking ass!!! Fuck this shit! JESUS WEPT!
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I dont think the guy knows whats right and whats wrong..The secondary theme was WAY fucking better than the main theme in that damn score.... Thats like if he brushes his teeth with soap and washes his face with toothpaste - if the guy's so talented, then why the fuck would he not notice that Oh thats right because he's too busy sucking John Williams old man balls
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For The Incredibles ALONE y'all should be on your knees ready to blow him! Speed Racer was awesome as well, but then again I thought the WHOLE damn thing rocked. And Star Trek had no good themes? Perhaps the "main title" music wasn't as developed as Goldsmith's, but it still worked just fine. It was a damn sight more memorable and humable than anything else since Elfman's Batman score. And the rest of the music in Star Trek? Fuggeddaboudit! The piece that comes up as the Enterprise clears the wreckage field and they see the Narada is as memorable as any Star Trek music ever. It's the "Doomsday Machine" leitmotif for the 21st century! I've yet to hear a bad score from the man.
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Dec. 17, 2011, 9 a.m. CST
I loved the score for The Incredibles. Judging by the trailers John Carter looks ass though
by cameron
Seems that AICN is getting behind thsi movie big time all of a sudden, i wonder why.....?
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CORRECTION: If anyone works with JJ Abrams, Asi will hate him.
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Dec. 17, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST
No love for Giacchino because of how he fucked speed racer
by brooks junior
Ok, he tried to incorporate the theme correctly in the end titles but completely left out cues from the cartoon. If he had sat down and watched a few episodes, he'd know how to score that film.
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Dec. 17, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST
Ι like Giacchino a lot since his earlier work in the MOH videogames
by KilliK
but i admit his ST ost was very disappointing.On the other hand,his Incredibles score was awesome,so i trust that he will do a fine job scoring JC.
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Speed Racer rocked. One of the best scores in recent years. He is the best in the business right now. Deal with it.
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Howard Shore rapes this guy with a splintered 2x4.
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Now I'm looking forward to the film even more.
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What the hell? Giacchino's one of the best working today. I'm really surprised at the depth of the hate here.
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Elements of Raiders & Lawrence in the John Carter theme...feeling an almost Somewhere in Time vibe in the Dejah theme. Very big, very epic. I think MG was a great choice- can't wait to hear more!
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Meh. Just another tuneless cacophony. Some parts sound like love. Some sound like war. No theme, no melody, no hook. The only thing he's ever done that I liked was The Incredibles. I swear that the last decent hero movie theme was for "The Rocketeer".
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Most epic theme in the last ten years.
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Games, TV? Yes. Movies? Not so much. I never find myself thinking, "Geee, Inception [Insert other movie] would be so much better for a Giacchino score." I like my scores, but my Giacchino stuff consists of 10 albums - 8 of which are for TV shows.
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Why hasn't shore scored a super-hero film? The man can write theme's like it's nobodies business. Giachino started out great but i don't know. Thomas Newman went the way of James Horner; all his stuff started to sound the same. All the piano and rising string moments sound alike from Newman.
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Almost nothing that I remember after the movie other than the theme to UP and some themes from LOST. I wouldn't be able to match the music to the work for most of his stuff.
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Bizzare mixture of western with otherworldly elements... Epic sounding... lots of emotion, yearning. He is a very good composer.
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-"his Incredibles score was awesome"- That's becasue it's a complete rip off of the great John Barry's James Bonds' scores. Easy to be good that way.
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This guy is writing some great stuff for movies these days. He really stands out as distinctive from other recent composers with a definite style.
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I liked the Dejah Thoris theme and the other piece was some nice chase/action music with a theme running through it, something sorely lacking from most movie music these days. Oh, how I long for the days of "The Asteroid Field" and "The Basket Game."
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Dec. 18, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST
Giacchino's Star Trek used the same coupla notes theme for EVERYTHING!
by Mickster_Island
Is it a sad scene? Use the only theme he wrote for the movie. Is it an action scene? Use the only theme he wrote for the movie. Is it a funny scene? Use the only theme he wrote for the movie. It's an okay theme...it was way overused in that movie. Even Star Trek IV's score had more variety!
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Skipped to the end and listened again. Definite Indy vibe on the first composition. I'm hearing some of that romance Harry was wondering about on the second. I think this stuff will be very evocative within the context of the film.
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I thought Williams was the only movie composer that re-used a lot of the same notes, but Giacchino makes it even more obvious. I would have sworn I was listening to the score for Abram's next Star Trek if the above hadn't said otherwise.
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It's all sound and fury but... where's a theme? That's what previous generations of film composers were so masterful at that today's composers lack. (And yes, I did like his Star Trek score for the most part, but that seems to be the exception.) The first time I heard Jursassic Park, The Rocketeer, The Right Stuff, Robocop, whatever, I heard a hook (or in some cases, more than one) that made me want to rush out and get the CD. I hope I'm wrong, but if this is what Giacchino considers the part he wanted to preview to get fans excited... well, good luck.
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MORE COWBELLS.!!!
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but I read some of the comments and I have to agree with those saying that even it its enthralling, if it lacks a theme... why bother? When was the last time a movie came out and had a theme in the score that you could whistle and everyone knew what you were whistling? Too bad John Williams gave up a long time ago and noone else tries. For instance, I'm sure most of us agree that Iron Man is a decent movie. Too bad the only music in it is ridiculous butt rock riffs. Same can be said to an even more disappointing degree with Nolan's Batman films (which I love by the way). Hanz Zimmers writes music that adds atmosphere but when it comes down to an actual piece that represents the hero, it is practically non existent besides a few different notes on some horns. Lame.
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When was the last time a movie came out and had a theme in the score that you could whistle and everyone knew what you were whistling?
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Dec. 18, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST
Ya, everything I wrote just got erased and messed up for no reason. Good job AICN.
by Jay
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Dec. 18, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST
Nasty: "...the idea of Newman tackling an epic sci-fi project..."
by 5_day_forecast
Other than Wall-E? Qualifies as an epic sci-fi project in my book.
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No, I don't!!
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Dec. 18, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST
@bantuwind Use the Lazarus addon,it is a life saver for such situations.
by KilliK
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Dec. 18, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST
Movies with great themes from the 2000's everyone should know
by drkhelmet
Gladiator The Battle - Hans Zimmer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR17671VgtY Harry Potter main theme (Hedwig's theme) - John Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCNHVMIYqiA Lord of the Rings the Fellowship theme, Andruil (from ROTK) - Howard Shore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovxbXaJs-90 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOOY1qrRsOI Star Wars: Episode II - Across the Stars - John Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kORguInD9MM The Incredibles - Main theme - Michael Giacchino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZUHlrir4Og Star Wars: Episode III - Battle of Heroes - John Williams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST1t2mBkykA Casino Royale Main Theme - David Arnold/Chris Cornell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjLqg10ZbZE UP - Married Life Michael Giacchino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jxkqG0gWc How To Train Your Dragon - This is Bjork - John Powell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8n-BkHUwKY Cars 2 - Finn McMissile theme - Michael Giacchino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A0bZckDEVk and that is just using boxoffice mojo and my memory....and about a half hour of research. Just because songs are not as memorable as a Empire Strikes back or Jurassic Park theme, doesn't mean there hasn't been anything good to come out. Stop being so negative to the industry people!
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Movies and their themes won't have that universal connection anymore. Pop culture is at a point where everything can co-exist. Things will be popular to millions of fans while being oblivious to an even higher amount. Movies used to help define pop culture. Not anymore. The amount of people that can recognize a tune does not make it great or bad. That's a silly assumption. You're equating to a meme. You'll never here a theme anymore that everyone on the block will know. The closest we've gotten to that is Lord Of The Rings and Harry Potter. Williams doesn't try? Hum that HP tune and see how many people recognize it. Even after countless classic themes, you're still asking for more more more from the guy. It's not that scores suck now. But like a good movie, you just have to look for them. Who cares if your friends don't know it note by note.
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I daresay Star Wars still holds that title. The music from Braveheart came close, at least for me personally. I think that part of the problem is that in the big blockbuster films, there's a trend in film scores away from memorable melodies, especially when Hans Zimmer is the composer. I really enjoy the scores to Batman and Inception, but you can't hum anything from those.
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The soundtrack to How To Train Your Dragon was pretty great.
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In case anyone doesn't know (and I'm sure most of you do!), WQXR.org has all of this year's "Music on the Radio" broadcasts archived for instant listening with really good sound quality. This week's show was quite good- but they usually are. All-around great radio station.
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Dec. 19, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST
Yeah, John Powell's HTTYD score is definitely one of the good ones.
by Orbots Commander
Even the movie itself is an enjoyable family-friendly flick that manages to capture the wonder of flight.
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Guy does not have big screen chops. Just look at the titles of the tracks on the Star Trek soundtrack, that's a good indication of how Giacchino writes his music (regardless of whether he came up with the titles himself). All fluff and bombast, no depth, no creativity, vanilla orchestration, etc. The best thing he's ever done for movies is "Married Life" from Up -- a "funny little tune but it yielded some good things," to quote Mozart in Amadeus. (Which had some really GOOD music in it, now THAT was a movie score!) Really ever since Goldsmith, Williams, and Barry ramped down (and died, in the case of JG and JB) in the 1990s (man those guys were smokin' hot in the 70s and 80s!), the movie music scene has been a wasteland. Williams is a shadow of his 70s-80s self, although tidbits of greatness poked through in his Harry Potter music. The Lord of the Rings trilogy had some great music in it, but it was just too few and far between (Fellowship was best, the other two had about five good cues between them). But JCfM looks weak anyway, so I guess MG is a good fit, with his goofy ass.
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His Medal of Honor soundtracks have been the best stuff he's cranked out to date, that and The Incredibles score. He really, really lost my respect when he fucked up Star Trek though. If ever there was an opportunity to have an awesome, epic, memorable score, that was it, and he delivered a weak-ass and unmemorable theme. Its complete weak-sauce when you stack it up against something like Horner's brilliant work on Wrath of Khan. All that being said, I actually really like these bits of John Carter, there's actually a pulse in there, and some really nice orchestration, has a Lawrence of Arabia feel to it. Hope he's getting better.
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Yeah, despite a pretty darned good lead-in (long shot of the survivors of the Kelvin fleeing the crippled Romulan mining ship) and the thundering brass and percussion that began the title sequence (with the gigantic Federation insignia slowly rotating to face the audience), Giacchino's Star Trek theme (and the whole soundtrack in general) was a big let-down. I wonder if we're stuck with it, now, or whether someone else will be doing the next score and will come up with his own theme. Horner isn't any better, though. He's a journeyman composer, and his Wrath of Khan soundtrack demonstrated that (though to be fair, no one but John Williams, and John Barry on a good day, could have followed Jerry Goldsmith's Star Trek score, which is one of the best he ever wrote, and therefore one of the best soundtracks ever written). In fact, I think Giacchino is probably a better movie composer than Horner, if only because Giacchino isn't given to plagiarism. (Horner did some cool stuff for Apocalypto, I'll give him that.)
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