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2 New JOHN CARTER TV spots look far far better than anything yet seen

Hey folks, Harry here...  Had to share this before I head into REHAB for the day.   Just look at these two TV spots for JOHN CARTER.   Both of which absolutely show the kind of action that is necessary for the story to be told...  I won't be completely sold on this until I see passion between John and Dejah.   The romance has always been the key to their story.   Hope it is there and that what is there is magnificent!   Here ya go, express train to Barsoom...


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  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Needs more red

    by ATARI

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Big improvement.

    by DoctorWho?

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Seriously, looks like John Carter of Arizona

    by ATARI

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by ATARI

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by ATARI

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    And more FAIL

    by ATARI

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    far far better than anything yet seen

    by Musicman247

    Isn't saying much.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    choppah = I know, right?

    by ClayMatthews

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    far far better than anything yet seen

    by Musicman247

    'Tis true! Not bad trailers!

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    As someone totally un-inundated to the John Carter mythos

    by Kammich

    I have still yet to see anything at all that makes me want to see the film. Which is a shame, because the word of mouth on the source material is so damn strong, and I'm intrigued to see what Stanton does in live action.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Is this the same John Carter from E.R.?

    by abe

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    John Carter of Meh!!!

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    This will definitely be on my Netflix though. But I know nothing of the source material nor has anything I've seen or heard make me interested. But anythign with cool CGI monsters I'll sit through once. I did grow up on the stop motion Sinbad movies.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    God I love that white dress Dejah is wearing

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    By the way, looks great

    by D.Vader

    I'm there.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Why the fuck did the drop the "Of Mars" part of the title?

    by DickBallsworth

    A little epic goes a long way.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Don't understand...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Why people seem to get excited for movies to fail... I'm pumped to see this in theaters. Rather have this than like Hangover 3. Frankly I thought movie fans and nerds want to support Sci-fi... Even Disney Sci-fi. But no you guys would rather wait for Bay's next Transformers film than even attempt to see this. Pretty pathetic.

  • Hahah, nice detail there.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Please don't use the word "always"

    by nothingasitseems if you didn't start reading the books last year. Christ! The same as "I love me some daft punk!" like you hadn't heard of them right before tron came out. Hack.

  • ...we Heinlein "Starship Trooper" fans got together last night and decided that you should suck it. Long and hard.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    giving the benefit of the doubt

    by findingclues4u

    but this movie looks absolutely horrible. I want to enjoy Tim Riggins in something other than Friday Night Lights, but this just looks awful. I may be wrong, so I'm asking why the consensus on this movie seems to be eagerly anticipating it.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    REHAB... do you shout that? why is it in all caps?


    and why does EVERYTHING you post start with some bragging or excusatory health statement?

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I wasn't looking foward to this...

    by paint163

    But I am warming to it. It looks quite good actually.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    A bit of Attack of the Clones in this

    by Rtobert

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Still doesn't look that great.

    by Orbots Commander

    I'm thinking this baby is going to be a financial sinkhole for Disney.

  • everything he reviews is going to be affected by this. the 'i was sick' muppet review and the lack of sleep/falling asleep in INCEPTION review and the 'motivational' glee of the green lantern review are just the most recent examples of this.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    (whoops) meant Attack of the Clones

    by awepittance

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by Max

    This looks like my back yard in southern AZ, there is a reason why its called the Red planet. You would think with quarter billion dollar budget they would be able to up the REDs in the picture, an easy task in most editing programs. The little CGI looking "dog" character makes it look like its going to be a PG action movie, aka crap.

  • Its not the version that I would have preferred to see of this story. I didn't really like some of the choices they made for some of the characters or storylines. But, God damn, it was great to finally see this story on the big screen! ...See it in imax...

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    WTF ...repost!

    by TopHat

    Its not the version that I would have preferred to see of this story. I didn't really like some of the choices they made for some of the characters or storylines. But, God damn, it was great to finally see this story on the big screen! ...See it in imax...

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Bah! I'll be back later...

    by TopHat

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    oh you basturds

    by NoMotivatioN

    needs more red? lol... Theres no predicting your reactions is there? aaaa, truely fun to read talk back form here. MOVIES LOOKS AWESOME.. that is all. Pixar for rulers of planet America?

  • beloved as the old pulp is, we just know too much about the science of mars these days to buy that any of this takes place on mars. even mars in another time period, even if he is whisked away to the distant past or future of mars. there's almost no gravitational difference between earth and mars that would justify John being able to leap and be so powerful there- something we know now but the author at the time did not. and since they dropped 'of mars' from the title- i seriously sense that they are going to claim it's another planet entirely....and probably with horrendous dubs over the word 'mars' when people say it.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by Wes_Reviews_

    This looks amazingly bland.

  • This story might happen on another planet. But Mars? I think Arnold needs to turn on the alien atmosphere processor for this story to happen.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Good commercials, but that CGI...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ... how many years have they been making CGI monsters and I STILL can't see them as existing in the physical world at all?

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Victoria's Secret ads

    by Himbo

    that followed the TV spots were far more interesting. I remember trying to read A Princess of Mars once... didn't care for it. And yet, I like hearing ABOUT Carter of Mars from friends who loved the stories. Also, how could you not love the name John Carter, though I remember the ubiquitous joke in early days of ER - John Carter, the best surgeon on two planets.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    It's not Mars, it's Barsoom.

    by Bob

    At least to the inhabitants of that planet. Maybe you should read the book. Oh and I gotta love the whiny bitches who say "The CGI looks like crap! Takes me out of the movie!" Right, and if they had used real actors with glued on extra arms, you would be screaming how phony that looked. Why bother to crap on a movie you haven't even seen except in low-res clips? Is everyone here 12? Oh wait. It's AICN regular bunch of board losers who think they know their shit. Nevermind, I was right, they are 12.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    the only wy this would work as being 'on mars'-


    is if they kept the look and sinsibilities of the old work. instead they modernized it, attempted to make it too realistic, and all it does is make the entire premise show as flawed and the sets boring as hell. if they had made this as retroistic, fantasical and with an attitude of 'we know what mars is like, and we don't care- look at all this cool imaginative shit' it could have flown. if it had any onf that old sci-fi naivety, it would have worked. but this looks like every. single. hollywood. sci-fi churned out of the last 12 years. polished. boring. safe. dull. desert planet. eye candy for men and women. unimaginative creatures. uninspired. uninspired. uninspiring.

  • Seriously? Is Sheldon from Big Bang Theory posting here under multiple aliases? You Aspie nerds suck all the fun out of everything.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    and my spelling is for shit right now.


  • Dec. 16, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    This looks like Cowboys vs Aliens 2.

    by Wes_Reviews_

    It does.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by Dollar Bird

    ...I don't know why those ads sold you, Harry, since they used mostly footage we've seen before. Unless seeing the split second of John Carter smashing in a white ape's head with a block of rock on a chain was the image you've been waiting for... But, I'm glad you're seemingly letting go of any sour grapes, if you had any. I did like the little moment with Woola in the 2nd ad. I might not like the frog-pug design, but how can you not love the loyalty of that Barsoomian dog? I wonder more about the personalities of people who come on here and just write "fail!" Where does that need to make that one-note prediction come from? I don't go onto the talkbacks of movies I'm not interested in and write "BOOOOO! This sucks! I would rather have my testicles infested with guinea worm than see this!" Are these people bitter? Antagonistic? Obnoxious? Just have nothing better to do? Far be it from me to feed them more fuel for their hate-fodder, but it's tiresome. And I know, at times, I have expressed some negative opinions about potential movies, but I hope those were more interesting/amusing than some of the old chestnuts of vitriol I'm seeing here. Maybe I'm just getting old.

  • FACT.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Looks good, but why do I get the feeling the lead actor has all the charisma

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    of Ken Marshall? You know, the black hole at the center of Krull?

  • land's people and fucks their Native American Princess.oh sorry he fucks their alien,red-skinned human-like Princess who looks like a Native American. yeah,i am sure the movie wont cause a stir among some minority groups in its theatrical release day.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by TopHat

    Its not the version that I would have preferred to see of this story. I didn't really like some of the choices they made for some of the characters or storylines. But, God damn, it was great to finally see this story on the big screen! ...See it in imax...

  • Try looking at some pictures taken on Mars and then think... Oh, it's a slightly rusty colour but apart from that it's just like a desert. Not that much different really from this. Then marvel at the lack of cities and any life whatsoever in these photographs and then take a look at yourself in the mirror and think 'I'm a fucking pedantic tit'. If I remember correctly the John Carter books state that when he gets transferred to Mars he goes back in time to an era where Mars had a functioning atmosphere and life (it's been a while since I read them but that's my recollection). If the fact that this film doesn't match your dumb astronomy knowledge or it doesn't, heaven forbid, actually match any scientific facts then please never watch a film where there's an explosion in space that creates shockwaves, or a film set in space where there is any sound outside of a ship or pretty much any fucking science fiction whatsoever! My first post in about five years and I'm being driven to it by a bunch of clueless fucking pedants!!! This film might well be shit but fuck it - it might be good and whether it lives or dies will be fuck all to do with your shaky grasp of astronomy and physics!

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    theczech says this looks like sunday evening tv special

    by pavel hora

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Anyone bitching now, is out of their tiny pea-sized brain.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Unlike a lot of people bitching about how it isn't grabbing them, or isn't John Carter of Mars as they envisioned it - I'm one of the few people here it seems that actually has read the fucking books. And I'm sorry but that was nailing it. This is the first film in months I'm actually keen to see. The more I see of it the more psyched I'm getting. A genuinely great bit of sci-fi is being adapted and is about to hit the screens. Anyone bitching, as Clarkson would say, should be taken out and executed in front of their families. Man up, geeks. Hypocritical bastards.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Cureguy. Just stop watching fiction altogether.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    You obviously don't quite grasp the concept of it.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Martian Gravirt.

    by Philo

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Martian Gravity

    by Philo

    So a 62% reduction is negligable. Really? Gravity on mMars if 38% of Earth gravity. While not excusing the acrobatic feats seen it's far from a negligable difference.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    with ya "hint of smegma"

    by Philo

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    is that REHAB for being a fool?

    by javery56

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:06 p.m. CST

    choppah...That Rehab riff was top notch funny.

    by conspiracy

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    And while parts of the trailer DO damned near copy AOTC...

    by conspiracy

    I'm not gonna judge it yet...will wait till I see it with my own eyes...just not sure I'll pay for it, might have to "Sample" it b4 I pay to see it on the big screen.

  • Also I agree, a retro-Mars with canals and such would have been fantastic.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    space epics don't work

    by Waka_Flocka

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Still looks tacky in a BEASTMASTER/PRINCE OF PERSIA sort of way.

    by justmyluck

    My advice would be to minimize the marketing and maximize the exit strategy.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Well, it looks better than the Asylum version..

    by davidwebb

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I thought POP would suck

    by disfigurehead

    But that was actually worth a watch. I might rent this.

  • No. Of course they have not because they are as pure as the driven snow and high minded with high ideals that they live as well as spout. Fuck off. If the movie looks ass, then I am going to say it does . Rooting for or against it won't change a thing

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Those spots are great.


    You people are retards.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Not associating this with Mars is a huge mistake

    by Hesiod2k7

    "John Carter of Mars" Would make the marketing campaign a lot easier. This movie better get stellar reviews and word of mouth or it's going to tank.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Those Air Jordans...

    by Tardu

    Really do work !

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Are people srsly making science arguments here?

    by Hesiod2k7

    There are all kinds of ways they can come up with a way to explain this being Mars. It's a fucking sci if fantasy film. You fanboy fucks believed a Norse God came to a Earth on a Rainbow interdemrnsional bridge. Once the decision was apparently made to move this to somewhere other than Mars, they fucked it up. It now looks like Tatooine, or some shit.

  • The tone of all these adverts has been just wrong. Too dour. Needs more whizz-bang. More color. A John Carter of Mars movie should have the same sense of playfulness and exhilaration as the 1980s Flash Gordon movie.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I agree with all the folks that will be there first weekend

    by WASPFAN

    Theaters will be packed and all the 12 year olds on this site will come around --- It really is starting to look REALLY good -- like Star Wars first trilogy good -- (4-6) ----

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    It takes place on MARS Knuckleheads -- it is just not in title

    by WASPFAN

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Is it MARS present time - don't know ---

    by WASPFAN

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Fucking A right jet_jaguar

    by number one bastard

    although i think using the color palette from the 80's flash is a bit too much. Still, it looks so fucking bland. maybe they are saving the full color shots for later

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The Font is great because it is for the 8 year old set

    by number one bastard

    Disney could care less if adults don't like the font, the movie was written for and aimed at 8 year olds, just like the source material was. those who dont believe that have never honestly read the books

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    So you want a war? I'LL GIVE YOU A WAR!!

    by TopHat

    It seems there are two factions in the Talkbacks: The "Positive Apologists" and the "Questioning Free-Thinkers". The "Positive Apologists" give everything a positive spin and attack those who question what they see, and especially those who DISLIKE what they see. These are the ones who have developed the superior philosophy of "You should first pay lots of money to go see every single version of a film BEFORE having an opinion about it". They are the intellectuals who believe anything negative is automatically suspect and if you don't have something nice to say, then, you shouldn't say anything at all. The "Questioning Free-Thinkers" have the audacity to question what is presented to them. They do not take a complacent consumer view of life that involves proclaiming the merits of a film based on how much money it makes. These individuals do not resort to describing their children or wives or life experiences in hopes of making excuses for mediocrity. If they don't like something, they do not apologize, they announce it with the biggest bullhorn available. I am a Questioning Free-Thinker. But I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the world will live as one.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    If this came out when Dark Crystal or

    by phantomcreeps

    Labryinth or anything back then that people view as beloved jewels now, you know you would hail it as a classic. Or at least a cult classic like Krull. a lot of you are just Scrooges. It's the holiday season. Face it you grew up and your inner child is fading. Enjoy it a bit or move on. Looks very entertaining to me. Agree that it Would be cooler with mars in the title.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Shit, you all like Flash Gordon, right?

    by phantomcreeps

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    deaftone, i am truly embarassed, but...

    by westie

    I'll admit it. I never heard of them before, but do like them now. But I'm 36, kinda out of the loop.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    tophat that the biggest load bullshit I've ever read on any TB


    I really hope you're trying to be funny because I think I just puked in my mouth a little. Yes, you're right, all the FAIL/FACT!-bots trolling these boards are "free thinkers". LOL...Good one bro

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Here ya go, express train to Harry's hype train!

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    No doubt hesiod2k7. Btw I don't recall hearing about..


    squid-people, zombies, mermaids and giant sea-monsters inhabiting the fucking Caribbean either

  • boy I do love hearing nerds whine! Just a reminder, it's fiction retards.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    i'm so happy, i shit three times today!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    kobe gonna be broke and miserable now that his wife is gonna take HALF! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! IMMA GONNA GO SHIT AGAIN!

  • Here's the real truth of it... I changed PRINCESS OF MARS because not a single boy would go. And then the other truth is, no girl would go see JOHN CARTER OF MARS. So I said, 'I don't want to do anything out of fear, I hate doing things out of fear, but I can't ignore that truth.'

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    so, snootyboots is ya saying every boy who read principessa of mars is a

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    explains a lot

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I can't believe I am saying this...

    by MJDeViant

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Being that i am a grown up...

    by macheesmo3

    and loved the books as a kid,, I reckon I will just go and see it and judge for myself. Complaining about minutiae isn't nearly as "cool" as you people seem to think it is. it's childish and annoying. Get a girlfriend and maybe consider leaving your room every couple of days? Just a thought

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST


    by macheesmo3

    I am notorious for bellowing out a Girl, you'll be a woman soon, or I am I said at karaoke every week or so! :-)

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Pretty sure it's been said on other talkback posts...

    by Jet Jaguar

    ...But why can't they call it "John Carter and the Princess of Mars"? It stays (somewhat) closer to the original title without sounding like a film for young girls. It also gives it a pulpy Indiana Jones feel. That is, of course, assuming that this film even takes place on Mars...

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    I'm boycotting


    Because it ain't red. Oh and because it doesn't say "of Mars." Srsly.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Will Dejah Thoris be added to Disney's Princess product line?

    by Jet Jaguar

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Looks good.

    by Shermdawg

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    passion between john and dejah?

    by SPACEHUNTER3-D my woola

  • kobe gonna payyyyyyyyyyy

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    keep getting kicked out on the second preview

    by rben

    oh, yes the POWER of my Compaq, the etch-a-scetch of computers! sucks not having money...

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Why do the evil Martians look like the grasshoppers from A Bug's Life?

    by halowiscious

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I have been spoiled by Dejah Thoris cover art

    by Greggers

    So that I want to see a naked/halfnaked voluptuous goddess, Frank Franzetta style. Instead, we get a pleasant-looking english actress. In a lot of clothes. Sigh. I'm a big man. I think I can get past this.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I think it looks fine

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    In terms of action, it seems okay. I mean, yes, there's a definite AotC feel, but at least there aren't hordes of teeming massive CGI warriors and/or Gungans. Well, there are CGI warriors, but it doesn't look as egregious as the NT, so I'm feeling slightly optimistic. My only concern is that the actor for John Carter will turn out to be a horrible black hole of personality. Garret Hedlund was one of the worst parts about Tron Legacy. Tron had great visuals, good music, but suffered from an awful script and horrible lead. I fear that John Carter might endure the same issues that made Tron Legacy into pretty mediocre sci-fi fare.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Dejah Thoris: The Hottest Herione in Sci Fi/Fantasy...

    by zinc_chameleon

    EVER! And to think ERB created her in 1912; a time when people fainted if you used the word 'naked' in public. the way, I've created this character who is the curviest female in creation, and she only wears jewellery, and even that's not all that strategically located. Is there going to be a problem?

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Is this an Avatar fanfic??

    by MrJohnson

    I admit I only looked at the stills...but it's because I didn't like Avatar, and am wondering if this is a college sequel or something??

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    It's starting to look pretty okay to me

    by dukeroberts

    I will go see this. It looks better than Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST


    by dukeroberts

    She is sexy as hell!

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Stagey, melodramatic directing, with uninspired

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    production/conceptual design. Also, those ads that remove your ability to pause or mute without having to close the tab or window are loathesome.

  • ... That EVERY movie that referenced MARS in its title in the last ten years has not performed well at the box office. And, those movies kind of stunk too, regardless of the title. And who wants an audience to remember that? So if you think leaving out the word "MARS" is really going to hurt the film, there are a few movies out there that would tell you to think again.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Oh no! It looks like Attack of the Clones!!!

    by D.Vader

    You mean, the best part of Attack of the Clones? Heaven forbid we get another scene of the hero fighting giant monsters!! I've seen enough of that in Ray Harryhausen movies!

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    amen brother!

  • I am not rooting for this to fail. I am not rooting for it to succeed. The way it's been presented from the source material just makes me completely indifferent. And that's a little sad to me. I'm fine with Neil Diamond. But Wayne Newton parodied himself in New Vegas, so that makes him a little cooler in my book.

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Rises Trailer is Cool and Stuff Like That There

    by wackybantha

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The lead from Tron was better than this guy


  • Dec. 16, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Rises Prologue

    by wackybantha Bane in all his incomprehensible glory!!!!!!! (However, via mirrored images.)

  • Dec. 16, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Guitars + Chorus + Orchestra = Erection

    by Uncle Pooky

  • Film looks like it will to huge business at the box office and shut everybody up on this site. Leads look good, action looks great and visuals all outstanding enough to make watching in 3D worth parting with the cash, will also make a stellar Blu Ray and with music by Michael Giacchino it can't go completely wrong so bring it on!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:08 a.m. CST

    John Carter looks like a great adventure flick.

    by wackybantha

    I am looking forward to seeing it. Gotta love that short pudgy sidekick creature. Snarf!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST

    This movie wasn't filmed through the Hubble telescope


    There's no reason for it to be realistic. I'm not sure exactly what Mars looks like in reality and I don't care! It's a fantasy movie and the art director should have chosen a better color palette. This is going to be one of the biggest bombs in the history of the universe. It comes out in March and NO ONE knows what the fuck John Carter is. When they see this trailer on T.V. they won't care, either. They will think that the television network is showing Attack of the Clones.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Damn that TDKR bootleg is great quality


    I'm sold. Although I'm not exactly sure wtf just happened there.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST



    John Carter's HSX stock is trading at $108. Meaning the market is predicting a 108 million total gross. Does that qualify Ishtar status? Not quite?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST

    The production designer is Nathan Crowley....


    You know, that hack that worked on all three of those Nolan Batman films that y'all are blowing your wads over. Fuckn' dummies

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:08 a.m. CST

    I find the Nolanverse somewhat entertaining, yet the

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    design to be dull; ultimately far from a definitive iteration of the Batman milieu.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Looking over some of the names here...

    by WONKABAR Hmmm...yeah, looks like they assembled a bunch of real losers for this show. It's amazing how you guys were able to gather as much from thirty second commercials. Such free thinkers...I stand in awe of the brilliance displayed in these TBs. If only these folks had learned from the experts here at aicn. Hey, Nathan Crowley, Daniel Mindel, David Allday....winona_ryders_pussey_juice says you need need to work on your color palette!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:23 a.m. CST

    300 million budget


    they couldn't afford a few red lens filters?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Nerd Fight!

    by dockealy

    Like every talkback ever.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Here's a picture of Mars taken from the rover

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE The colors are a rich orange. Go ahead, examine it in Photoshop. Now try a screenshot from the trailer and tell me what the color picker tells you. It's not even fucking close! The desert they filmed on is a light greyish yellow.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST


    by Samson_K

    There are two types of people on AICN - those who like things that are shit and people who agree with me.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Here's another pic of Mars' surface

    by Samson_K From this site NSSDC Photo Gallery Mars Where it's not deep orange and does look like it could be the Gobi desert, or pretty much any desert on Earth. Mars gets sunsets and sunrises too.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:44 a.m. CST

    C'mon WRPJ...


    At least comment on the racism of Edgar Rice Burroughs or something...the 'red' argument is getting old. I mean, there's SO much more to mine here! Jesus. Btw...

  • Although, that doesn't surprise me, knowing that Harry was working on producing his own version. As for this John Carter (of Mars), it is apparent that this Disney version was made with no balls. Zero cajones. I mean, the fact that they thought girls wouldn't see it because it had Mars in the title? WTF? This is the equivalent to retitling Avatar to 'Jake Sully'. Say what you will about Avatar being full of teh suck, but at least they had the balls to go all out and tell a story that wasn't riding on a novel or videogame or some other such established property.

  • I mean, let's make sure we don't alienate any potential audience members. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring? Gotta change that title man. 'Lord' implies that this might be a Christian themed movie. We don't want the bumblefucks in flyover country to mistake it for some Jesus movie. Then there is that pesky 'Ring' in there too. Not only is it mentioned in the main title, but also in the secondary title. Might make the teenage boys think that it is one of those wedding themed romantic comedies. They'll avoid this film like the plague if that notion sticks. And loose the 'Fellowship' nonsense man. Sounds like college stuff. This ain't Dead Poets Society with that wacky Robin Williams, this is a bunch of midgets fighting nasty orcs and other monsters. Let's just call it Frodo Baggins, okay Mr. Jackson. That Tolkien fucker won't care since he's been dead for quite a while.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    To me the biggest flaw of this movie is the look of the film


    Granted, it's not as simple as slapping on a lens filter. But fuck. It should be JOHN CARTER OF MARS. With a stylized version of MARS with a colorful landscape and imaginative skylines. You are given the opportunity to create a movie in any style you want, with a seemingly unlimitted budget, and you shoot one of the biggest setpieces of the film on a light grey, barren desert in what looks to be Nevada? The fuck is that?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Here we go

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE Fucking MAAARRRRSSSS John Carter OF MAAAARRRRSSSSSS!!! Fucking $108 stock price and I wanna short that fucker already!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Actually, lv_426


    The campaign for FOTR DID de-emphasize the title. The voice on the commercials (who sounded exactly like the guy on the clips above btw) always said "The Lord of the Rings". On the marketing materials, posters etc. "The Fellowship of the Ring" was almost fine print. Only after New Line raked in a bunch of cash did they dare to market simply 'Return of the King'. Similarly, if JC pays off Stanton has already stated that 'of Mars' will be attached to any sequels.

  • Is it that hard to make a trailer that will do the movie justice? ort at least that doesn0t make it look like a piece of retard shit? Perhaps the movie is actually god.But this fucking dumbass trailers sure are not helping selling that idea. This trailers are just convincing me to give this movies a skip. Nice job there, trailerboys. -and that's sarcasm not a compliment, in case you are wondering (i feel the need to treat the people who made this trailers as idiots, just like i feel they are treating me).

  • ... with awful sound and i could only watch half the image most of the time. and it still mannaged to kick my ass and raise my hopes for the movie. now that's a roper good trailer. -So, why the hell disney can't pull the same trick for this John Carter movie. It sure needs all the helpit can get. I mean, it's an original movie based on a yet adapted property, whouldn't disney making a real effort with this movie to actually sell it as a unique thing never seen before? instead of treating it as is it's some copy of some past blockbusters we all have seen dozens of times before?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:02 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Well, asking for more are actually makes sense. given the bstiory is set in mars. even the orginal novels do make a point about that. A rusty hue of red, however, given mars has that colous due to iron rust, considering that mars, like earth, is pratically a big ball of iron.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:09 a.m. CST

    by myphdisdoom: "Why people seem to get excited for movies to fail"

    by AsimovLives

    Because whenever a bad stupid dumb movie fails at the box office, there's always hope, however slim, that the studios finally learns the real lesson that audiences really serent being treated as idiots, and inspires them to make better, smarter movies with more usbstance to them. Even entertaiment needs more to it then just a slice of lard painted strawberry and call ice-cream. But this is me talking.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Only one thing can make these trailers pop.......

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    And Also, Van Damme

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:25 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    there's always the possibility that when Carter gets magically teleported to mars, he also travels back in time 2 billion years ago, which makes more plausible for why mars has an earth-like atmosphere that has pressure enough and breedable to a human. Also, the books do show mars as a dying planet that needs big industrial airplants to keep the planet fom losing it's atmosphere. of course one could say how can life on mars evolved so much faster then on earth and have technological civilizations so ahead in time from earth, which is a far mofre lush and life happy place? well, actually, many scientists find it plausible that mars might had life ahead of earth, as the local conditions billions of years ago were actually more favorable then Earth's. But a combination of bad things also helpe mars die as a planet faster then earth, like the absense of a strong magnetic field (which made the solar wind blow off the atmosphere to the thin thing it is today), and low vulcanic activity, which at the start might had abeen a benefit but which also helped the planet cool off faster. Mars vulcanological history was quite active in the earlier days, but it died pretty fast, al races of vulcanism on mars are very ancient occurences, billions of years in the past. There's still geological heat in mars, but it's mostly in the underground regions far from the surface. mars is like those cakes which are hot on the inside but with a cover of cold ice-cream on the surface you might eat in an autumn night, meaning that the hot interior will eventually cool off to the chiller ambient temperature eventually, which is what is happening to mars. the cooling off will just take another billion of years or so because it's just a big object, and the bigger the object, the longer it takes to cool off (one reason why polar bears are some of the largest bears on the planet, to take advantage of that physical propriety of large objects).

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    the gravitational difference of mars from earth is not neglegible. mars has 1/3rd of earth's gravity pull. now, on an astronaut with a bulky spacesuite, the gravitational difference might not look all that much due to the constriction of movements and the added weight the astronaut would suffer (and the fact that despite the lesser gravity pull, inertia would be as strong as on earth). but who knows what physical feats a human being, free of the added weight of a spacesuite, could perform on much lower gravity? we do not know yet because so far the only places with lower gravity we know of we could make a landing, like our moon and mars, are not exactly hospitable enviroments for the humans to live in without the need of technoogical assistance like spacesuits. which are heavy and bulky. opsy-daisy!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST

    and mars isa cold place, but not as cold as some have said above.

    by AsimovLives

    mars at it's hottest in the tropics can reach temperatures of the order of 15 degress celcius. but its average temperature is about minus 40-50 celcius. It's antarctic temperatures. it can get more colder. however, due to the low atmosphere pressure, it also means that water has a lower freezing temperature then it has on earth. this is why we only see ice on the poles of mars. at those low atmosphere pressure, water boils over even at pretty low temperatures, the reason why there is no liquid water or ice on most of the surface of mars. but beneath the surface, where water is not in contact with the martian atmosphere, water can exist in solid ice state...and maybe even in liquid state. Maybe.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:50 a.m. CST

    They can't make a good trailer


    because all the footage and music fucking blows. It's terribly directed. For example. The part where Carter leaps into the air. What a shitty camera angle. Now THERE'S an opportunity to add some visual flare and excitement to your movie. What you should do is follow John Carter from a 3rd person perspective and fly the audience into the sky along with him. This doesn't even look as good as Attack of the Clones.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:51 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i don't know about you, but i want my science fiction to be good. The "that will do" attitude does not work for me. As a fan of SF, it's not good enough that just some new SF movie is being made, becasue every year Hoylwood produces one of those. unfortunatly, the majority of them are just action movies disguised as SF. I am getting this vibe with this John Carter movie. Perhaps my less then enthusiastic opinion of this movie so far has to do with the terrible trailers they have been releasing so far. perhaps the movie is really very good. but thanks to the trailers and advertizement, i'm not seeing any hints and clues to that. and i'm not one of those fellows who takes everything on faith. i need to see to believe. i haven't seen anything yet worth making me believe.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:02 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Do you understand how wrong it sounds to call stupid to people who are actually informed of the present atronomical characteristics of Mars of today, be it's gravity, atmosphere, average temperature and all that? In fact, it makes them the inverse of stupid. It me4ans they are informed. Stupid is to presume a human can walk about in mars with no ill effects! Also, the trailers have been so obsessed with presenting battle scenes and strange gladiatorial games and not enough naked hottie as the princess, and no hint to why this human guy John Carter can do the stuff he does and why he can walk about so easily and free of problems, and in fact, why he even seems to have superpowers on mars. So, you can't blame the people who know both the original stories and a bit of popular astronomy to feel skeptical and question the logic behind what's presented in this movie. Stupid could even be to accept everything on faith. I understand you might feel upset by the people you see as dismissive of a movie that is exciting you. but if have to admit that, given the scarcity of explanations given by the trailers, their skepticism is pretty justified. not everybody are easy to please.

  • Also, the mars thing could even be a running joke. as in, john carter, who has been all his life a professional soldier with little knowledge about astronomy other then he might had read from the classics back in school (and with mid 19th century basic astronomy knowledge at that), he would land on a strange planet that exists in some distant solar system, but in his mind he's on mars because that's the only other planet he would know of it would fit Barsoon's features, and throughout the movie he would think he's in mars, when in fact he's not. his misunderstanding would be a running joke throughout the movie.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:14 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    wow, we are agreeing on something. pop that champagne bottle!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:17 a.m. CST

    i wish this movie is good. i'm not being convinced it is.

    by AsimovLives

    this trailers are not doing a good job convincing me. and the blind acceptance from some geeks in here are not helping matters. Not when their most common argument is "accept it on faith alone". that's the best way to make me go the opposite direction.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:25 a.m. CST


    by Samson_K

    Nope. you're misreading my gripe - and that is that this fixation on the planet being red where it really isn't red (rusty coloured in some of the photos from the various landing probes but in just as many it's not that different from Earth). I have not called into question anything other than that regarding Mars! I'm not insulting knowledge - I am insulting people who are taking received knowledge from sources that are misinformed and using that as an excuse to judge the film. So, I am insulting ill-informed people. Mars might look red from Space, in the same way that the Oceans always look blue in pictures of Earth and are in fact often grey or whatever other colour depending on atmospheric conditions.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Rusty is still a hue of red, which is notoriosuly absent from all the images from this movie in it's trailers. Either they are releasing trailers that do not have the movie's image with it's final colour correction, which means they are not sellling the movie as it is... or they are not even bothering to make the movie look like it's set on mars other then just saying it is. A great location in arizona alone will not due. This is the kind of visual negligence that used to make eople mock movies in the oast if you made a movie set on mars and oult shot some desert fotage and not bother to colour correct it to a bit more of the red side of the spectrum. While art work of the past have exagerated the redness of mars, mostly as a rule of cool, the fact remains that red is the predominant colour of the place. it's everywhere. yes, it's a more subdue hue of rust, but it's still a world of red. so much so that the atmosphere itself is coloured red due to refletion. also, because the atmosphere's lower density scatters sunlight's photons in a lower light prequency then here on Earth , and with the scatered photons being of the red spectrum, it means there's more red seen from all diretions, making the sky coloured red (on earth, it's the photons of nthe blue colour spectrum which is the most scatered, so why it looks blue. it's a more important effect on earth then the ocean reflectio, in fact). Mars do have blue skies in particular occasions, which happens every sunrise and sunset. it's the reverse of what happens here on Earth, where we get blue skies at day and redish skies on sunrise and sunset. (on a fun side note: the sun produces most of it's light in the green spectrum, which is why plants are green, to take advantage of that effect. the aparent yellow colour of our sunlight is in fact caused by an optical illusion caused by our atmosphere. the sun's real colour, so to speak, is in fact green). As i have said before, there is always the possibility that in this movie, Barsoon is not Mars. If so, it's fair game. But i just wish that the trailers could had given a hint of that. Knowledge should never be mocked, not even by an accidental hint said in a passionate spur of the moment. Never! Mocking knowledge is stupidity, right there and then.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Mars is death at the B.O.

    by Mugato5150

    That's why they dropped "Mars" from the title. Really, remember Mission to Mars? Red Planet? Invaders from Mars? No? Neither does anyone else. Even Mars Attacks! which I liked personally, wasn't well received. Sure, Total Recall was centered around Mars but you wouldn't know it from the title or poster. And Disney World had a shitty ride called Mission to Mars that probably no one remembers but they wouldn't want anyone who might remember it to think the film was based on that.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST


    by Samson_K

    I do see the point - but we have been given three trailers and to be honest nothing of plot has really been included bar the fact that Barsoom is changing (and to be honest if they have one of the characters say - 'Ah, but we are 20 million years in Earth's past' or whatever I'll be disappointed because it doesn't need it - in the same way Highlander didn't need Zeist in any sequels, in the same way that Raiders of the Lost Ark didn't need an explanation as to why their was a Nazi archaeological dig in Egypt at the height of British colonialism, in the same way that Alien stated In Space No-one can Hear You Scream on the poster but you can still hear the explosion at the end. If the movie is engaging enough and ends the same way as I seem to recall the book - or one of the books ending then it doesn't matter. ERB created some brilliant lost world saga's and sometimes these types of film don't need explanation (that is just my way of thinking though). My tirade is mostly about the fact that people just seem to lurk and wait for things to be shit and when sometimes it ends up justified, often it doesn't - Green Lantern was crap, X-Men First Class wasn't but they both got the same amount of shit as each other beforehand. John Carter has just been the one that made me post again. Mocking knowledge is not what I am doing - I am mocking people who read something on the internet and assume that's the truth. There are as many pictures of the Martian surface that are just dull brown to be honest - but it doesn't matter (I would have liked to have seen a more stylistic look to the planet myself but I can live without it). People who claim to have knowledge when they really don't should be mocked and punched!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:17 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    but a bit more reddish hue for the movie's look would had helped, wouldn't it? not going overboard with it, just a bit more redish. i mean, michael bay makes movies set on earth and they are redder then this mars movie, you know what i mean? give this movie's budget, i'm sure the colour correction process wouldn't be the most expensive thing in it, right? it's this little tricks that help sell a movie. but there's always the issue that the movie is not set on mars. and please, don't bring up highlander 2. i'm trying to forget that movie exists.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Good point asimov

    by Samson_K

    The weird thing is in some of the shots I do sort of see that reddish hue - the canal shots look a bit reddish and some I don't - and as I say, I'd have been happier with some post having been done to the vistas - but it won't make or break the film for me you know? It seems to have done for some people already though. Say Highlander 2 five times in the mirror and it appears and shits in your eyes. And I chuckled at your Michael Bay remark - and then thanked my personal gods that fuck's not directing this :)

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    michael bay not directing a movie is always good news. and has i have stated in previous posts, i wish that brad bird had directed the transformers movies right from the start intead of that assclown bay. your dislike for the bay is mutual.

  • There's been some bitching about typeface choices, but I like this final decision to go with Graphicus. It says "mainstream action movie" whereas the early Albertus simply says "archaic", which is never a winner at the box office. (Yes, I agree with Harry that they cocked-up the posters with Akzidenz Gothic. It was historically appropriate but cheap-looking.)

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    When you get back from rehab ...

    by The StarWolf

    Video no longer available

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    I think what people who are disappointed with the look

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    of the environment want is for the planet to look fantastical, like all of the pulp paintings/illustrations through the decades -- what people envisioned Mars to be before we knew through scientific fact.

  • , of all the people, him. Jesus wept. I finally found a good argument to bash this movie. it's just the score, yes, but fuck! i always consider music to be one of the most important things in a moive, and now i know that part of the movie is fucked up. great! what's the next bad news?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    an imaginative mixture of the two would be nice. so far, the movie looks just like earth with a few cgi for flavour. hopefully they are saving the best for last.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST


    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Specifically, it's Akzidenz-Grotesk Super:

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    if you read about the real mars geography it looks like out of some demented big ass epic fantasy story... on acid. The planet has such gigantic geological features it makes the biggest things on Earth looks drawf in comparison. There's a canyon so hugh in Mars that it's smaller branchs could swallow the whole of the grand canyon. mars's highest mountain is a vulcano so tall it's 3 times highern then the everest, and it's base is so large it has the surface area of nevada. Mars is a land of huge mountains and canyons and plains. the planet might be smaller then earth, but the landscape is gigantic. I hope the movie can do that justice (the original book was already aware that mars had gigantic geographical landscapes), but so far i've been a bit disapointed. as i said before, it all just looks like earth with a bit of CGI.

  • But that Princess is hawt!! Looks like someone mashed up Conan/Avatar/AOTC thinking it was a good idea, so utterly wrong. Way to go Hollywood.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I think this will be fun but . . .

    by Rob Jenson

    . . . not the movie it should be. Not fantastic (in the Frazetta sense) or atmospheric enough, but a fast, well-paced action movie. I'm hoping for more, but that's what I expect. Something about the actor playing John Carter really bothers me. John Carter of the books is the ultimate Fighting Man. ERB's books are filled with fighting men who relish combat and displays of their physical prowess, and of them all JC stands tallest. He should be older, more weatered, tougher. The actor playing him looks like an underwear model. I'm sure there are some tough underwear models. It's a rough industry, I'm sure, what with the . . . cotton and the . . . yeah. But a grizzled Confederate captain? Not so much.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    a few words why i think this trailers fail at what they set up to do.

    by AsimovLives

    I'm aware tjhat for some, just showing a bunch of SFx sequences and a promise ofa few big ass battle scenes is enough to excite them to go watch this movie. but that doens't work for everybody. and the trailers themselves fail at their most basic job: telling us what this movie is about. Consider the title. it's called JOH CARTER. Watch all the trailers for this movie and tell me, without any pre-knowledge of the existence of the novel THE PRINCESS OF MARS, if you would know why. Why is the movie called John Carter? at most, the trailers shows some wide-eyed princess exclaim "you are john carter from earth?". That's it. but why is john carter in this place and not earth. how come he be there? who was he on earth? and why is he so central that the name is named after him and not as an hint to the adventure. Imagine, if you will, back in 1981, and there was this new adventure movie coming out. And it's called INDIANA JONES. And you are like, who? Staring this dude who is Han solo but whose movies besides SW had either flpped or be pretty unremarkable. Directed by this promisaing director who had blown all his good will with a gigantic flop of a comedy called 1941 and who was now on the fast track to become a has-been. Only pedigree worth mentioning was the producer directed SW. but what's this about? who's indiana jones? why should i care? But in fact, the movie was calle RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. and ask anybody who saw the movie back in the day, and everybody will tell you that the title caught their attention. the title made me excited. Raiders? going after the moses's ark? the title alone promise adventure, which is what the movie is about. the sequel was called indiana jones becaus by then everybody had caught the raiders of the lost ark fever and by then knew very well who indiana jones was, he had gained pedigree. back to point one, then i ask: whyn is this movie called john carter? and who can actually know who john carter is from the trailers? and it's evne no use to go for the boks, because as we all know very well, just because a movie is based on a book doens'0t mean it's faithful or follows the plot rigurously. we all know how faithful hollywood is to the adapted material (not much). Who's john carter? why is the movie called after him? i have no fucking idea. all i know is that some dude is from earth, there's a hot chick, CGI beasts , and shit blows up. so, i ask, why should i care? Clearly, this trailers are made by people who are very insecure of the movie they have on their hands. they are desperatly trying to find an angle, and haven't fount it yet.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    re: Font

    by z

    The font? really? That's what you're going to dismiss the movie on? Then why the hell did you see Avatar?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Well, I guess Asi found a reason to be biased against the movie

    by D.Vader

    Because Michael Giacchino is composing the score. Jesus wept. Funny, he says he wishes Brad Bird directed Transformers, but based on his history, he probably would have hired Giacchino to do the musical score, just like he did for Bird's "The Incredibles" and "Ratattouille". Asi wouldn't know what to do with that kind of contradiction. A guy works with JJ Abrams once and he's tainted for life, unclean in Asi's eyes.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    two things: ´ One: Fast pacing. Contrary to what manyt think, a fast cpaced story doesnpt mean a movie edited so fast like michael bay's shitfiest. it doesn't mean physical shit happening every single 5 seconds of screentime. it has to do woth the right beats happening at the right time in a story. making a movie that's all a collection of action beats one ofter the other, with lame physical comedy inbewteew pretending to be breathers is not it. good pacing is a story in whihc even if there is a stretch of aparwntly nothing happending, it builds the tension. very often ina story a lot of things happen when there is no physical stuff happening. raking the tenstion to when soemthing does happen, making it look like an explosion of movement, fury and sound, signifiying a lot. Two: the lead's boy looks. On this i think i know what you are saying. there's nothing in this guy that makes me thing "veteran confederate army captain who saw his share of battle and action and earned his spurs through asskicking". he is indeed too young looking. he loooks like a guy who never missed a meal in his life, and i mean the character as presented in the movie, not the actor. I'm reminded of harrison ford in raiders of the lost ark, and how he rigth from the first shot could sell the idea he was a veteran of this extreme archeological/tomb raiding thing. the looked badass and weathered. he already looked he had the miliage. i don't see that in this dude who plays John Carter.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Mars IS red guys

    by Winston Smith

    Look at the pics. Not really much up for discussion, but I guess we can start wondering if the earth is flat now? Anyways, this film looks like Utah, the CGI looks like Attack of the Clones, but it could still end up surprising us. I'll wait closer to release, but right now it's very unimpressive. No big deal, though, next summer we get Prometheus (leaked trailer is amazing) and DKR, and The Hobbit that Christmas. Can't complain. But John Carter could be a classic... right now, visually it looks unimpressive. But just remember, ROTPOTA also had terrible trailers with CGI that didn't look nearly as impressive as the finished film.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    My morning crap today looked better than yesterday's.

    by Subtitles_Off


  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Right, because Harry's an expert on PASSION...

    by Nice Marmot

    ...remember how moved he was by the oh-so convincing "passion" between Brody & Watts on the ship in Jackson's Kong? Phhhhttt....

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by Rob Jenson

    By fast-paced, I don't mean Michael Bay. I absolutely loathe Michael Bay. But I think Andrew Stanton's experience with Pixar will result in a well-paced action movie that has just enough emotional depth to be worthwhile, but not enough to result in anything truly loveable or memorable (that's no reflection on Pixar, which is great, but that aesthetic translated into an epic fantasy/science fiction story doesn't quite work, at least for me; it needs something richer, darker). Anyway, that's my two cents. And someone like a youngish Harrison Ford would be perfect for John Carter. I've got to go. Later.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Don't worry about it, Bob1000

    by D.Vader

    Asi feels the need to lecture every now and then, even when its not needed (bc nothing you wrote suggested you meant fast-editing when you wrote fast-paced). Its his thing.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    d. vader

    by Rob Jenson

    thanks, d. no offense taken. Alright, now I really do have to go. wife is calling

  • the movie is a FAIL.well done.

  • became an iconic name,part of the pop culture consensus,the movies were called 'a James Bond movie" by everyone.Likewise the same thing happened with Indiana Jones or Mad Max films. Now that John Carter guy.Who the fuck is he and why should i care?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by Orionsangels

    I can jump twice as high as you. Weee!!!! Look at me jumping! I'm CGI! Let's use this effect a lot. Weeeee!!!!

  • They're all present in John Carter. We need new CG artist. Let's put a new take on CG special effects folks. You just keep repeating yourself.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    If you already don't care about "John Carter"...

    by D.Vader

    Adding an "... of Mars" to the title isn't going to do anything to change your opinion. Let's be honest here.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    John Carter is a silly title if you don't know about the book.

    by Orionsangels

    John Carter and the Princess of Mars would have been a better title. It sounds like a Science Fiction title. When the average person sees this trailer without the title. The last thing they think is that it's called John Carter. John Carter makes you think of John Carter attorney at large! John Carter the business man.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST



    My tirade is mostly about the fact that people just seem to lurk and wait for things to be shit and when sometimes it ends up justified, often it doesn't - Green Lantern was crap, X-Men First Class wasn't but they both got the same amount of shit as each other beforehand.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I always thought the title was bland because

    by MurderMostFowl

    Because the title character is not actually from Mars, but that through the revolution he leads, the people give him the honorary title of "John Carter of Mars". He "earns" his title You know... kinda like that little known film... Lawrence of Arabia. :)

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST



    Of course! That's been MO of TBers since '99. Hurl shit at every new thing until something sticks! Then switch screen-names if you turn out to be wrong

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    In fact...


    just in case JC turns out to suck monkey-balls I already have my "see, I told you so" entity locked and loaded....wonkabar will just have to move on to other topics.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Disney's Princesses.check this out,you'll like it:

    by KilliK

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Hail, Wonkabar!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    A Talkbacker and Zoner from old. Good to see a familiar name in the mix. (I've got nothing on JOHN CARTER...)

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I'm dying...

    by Carmen

    ...To see Tars Tarkas. The book has so many great subplots, I hope the movie includes some!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Cheers Mr. Gaius!


    ...Best god-damn bartender from Timbuktu to Portland, Maine - or Portland, Oregon for that matter.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Why is Disney so afraid of MARS?

    by Odkin

    Seriously, do they think it's a SURPRISE that his destination is Mars? Do they think it will make people laugh? They won't use it in the title, they won't say it in the trailers. It should be ABOUT Mars. It should celebrate Victorian mystery, wonder, and romance about the red planet. It should reflect the fascination with exploration and mystery about strange civilizations. The story comes from the contemporary ethos of the white mans burden - to find remote forgotten lands and rescue them from savagery. Don't worry - we'll get none of that. We'll get sweat and kissing and huge CG armies and "ACTION" until our eyes bleed.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    =to find remote forgotten lands and rescue them from savagery.=

    by KilliK

    and fuck barbarian native Princesses.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    They should title it: John Carter of that Red Planet.

    by KilliK

    problem solved.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    We were all once so innocent and starry-eyed...


    but then many camped out for weeks on the street for.... The Phantom Menace. The taint of this still lingers, even with those too young to remember. Like Sir. Lancelot in Excalibur, it is a wound that has never healed. Forever will generations of geeks cast a cynical gaze upon all that is put before them. THIS is fact.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    ... Except for that flop of a movie called "Red Planet"...

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Asimov. Save the sly insult with the "that will do attitude" crack.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    So far we've had trailers and tv spots. Some set photos. That's it. If you're already adopting a sceptical view of this because you don't like the aesthetics of what you've seen, fine. Your sensibilities. But if you're trying to intimate anything beyond that - like subjectively, it's looking like a badly made movie - you don't yet have a leg to stand on. The quality of what's been released has gotten steadily better. A slow build to get people interested. And what's there onscreen, well it looks a lot like the Barsoom books I've read and loved all these years so you'll forgive me if I hold out some hope this will be as good as its looking to me. Asi, you're not like the majority of asshats writing shit in these talkbacks. You show that you think about what you're saying a lot of the time. So bearing that in mind and the fact that even if it's just the aesthetics you don't like so far - trailers are NEVER a good indication of whether a films good or bad. Don't you think you might want to reserve judgement? If it sucks at the cinema, I'll be among the first to post my displeasure about it. But for now I choose to remain hopeful. What I've seen, I've liked. Doesn't mean the film will be good by any means - but I'm hoping it is. And therefore based on the limited evidence that doesn't mean much anyway, I'll repeat - anyone bitching about it now, when a great piece of classic sci fi literature is going to the silver screen for the first time - must have a brain like a shriveled pea.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by Samson_K

    Yeah, I know - I've just found this one and the Sherlock Holmes one particularly irritating! For me it's the - 'if you like it you're apologists' and 'if you like it you're stupid' crap that annoys me most. That's why I stopped posting - I was never that prolific a poster really but there you go. The world is full of joyless cunts

  • means nobody remembers that movie thus noone will make the title connection with the new movie.FACT.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Be mindful of well thought-out posts...


    The best LOTR-bashers back in the day were the ones who knew everything there is to know about Tolkien, all his work....fucking "Norse mythology" etc. etc. They had an impressive double-agent, ninja-like ability to take apart their target and any "apologist" in a way that was just as ignorant and annoying as any all-caps, flame-throwing, grammar-impaired, homo-bile-spewing ignoramus...yet they could weave a tapestry of words that sounded reasoned and objective. These were/are the pros. They know all the right buttons to push and have crafted this method into a fine art. It doesn't matter how well you argue with them, they will simply ignore you and move on to the next prey. They will never concede a point. You think they got the message and a few posts/days later they're saying the same shit. They won't rest until opening day and sometimes push it right up until a film is a certified hit or even till it wins an Oscar. They can do this because they can always fall back on "declining tastes" of the public. The lack of "credibility" of critics and awards shows. That certain directors are "overrated" and have cast a spell on everyone and it is only a matter of time before the curtain is lifted and the retards of the world see what they have seen all along....that said filmmaker is and always was, a total hack. That is, they'll do this if they're pros....otherwise they simply switch handles and jump on the bandwagon. You see a lot this on sports threads as well.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    That dog creature looks like shit

    by Cobb05

    And I don't mean bad CGI, I mean it looks like an actual walking piece of shit. Couldn't they have made it not looking like a Baby Ruth with legs?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    OK, already sold on Woola

    by MemBirdman

    I'm keeping an open mind. I want to like it, even though it feels somewhat generic from the clips so far.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Btw, Ridley Scott really is overrated though...


    just kidding

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    But then again...


    1492, Someone to Watch Over Me, Black Rain. Remember those? ....Neither does Ridley Scott. Sorry, just having a shit & giggle...I love Ridley Scott

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Avatar/AOTC comparisons

    by skellngtn

    really....this stupid line of thinking still exists here? I could see a while back before all the kiddies knew who ERB's John Carter was, but now that they've had time to Wiki/Google him, or be told who he is in these talkbacks they still think THIS rips off those other movies? And Avatar's Papyrus was a bad font choice but that didn't stop people from liking that flick. Though I recall people bitching about the CGI in that one from it's Quicktime trailers....

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    New hope is given --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- but yes can't they throw in some red? I like AOTC but it is a shame how Lucas ripped of Burroughs so closely.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    new batman trailer looks good

    by DarthBlart

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Andrew Stanton

    by Bob Parr

    the director of WALL-E and Finding Nemo - is directing the film adaption of one of the best epic sci-fi fantasy adventure books of my childhood. I will be there opening weekend.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    The TDKR script has also been leaked

    by KilliK

    Bleedingcool has the info and the first pages from Bane's prolog scene.go and check it.

  • Dejah Thoris naked,as it should be from the start.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Conan of Mars

    by Bill Clay

    And soon to die the same box office death that Conan did.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Just makes James Cameron look like even more of a genius I guess.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:09 p.m. CST

    no it makes him look even more like an un-original asshole


  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    dances w/ wolves + john carter + aliens = avatard



  • Dec. 17, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Damn that looks bad


    Oh crap I already posted that 3 or 5 times. I got nothing. My bad.

  • It will be a miracle if JC grosses 1B.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    I'd like to formally apologize to James Cameron


    For all the mean things I said about the Thundersmurfs Dances with Pocahontas. Especially my complaining about the art direction of Avatard, the blue smurfs just looked stupid, amirite? But that movie did a million times better of a job of creating a magical alien universe compared to this crap. And it's from Disney, no less. Wtf is this crap?

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Kashmir by Led Zeppelin

    by Mark

    A lot of the trailers music keeps reminding me of that song. Not a bad thing...

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Cameron Originality...

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm a avid Cameron apologist in most things. While I did enjoy Dances with er.. I mean Avatar very much, I did not realize until just a few days ago the Avatar connection with "Call me Joe" I picked up a book ( from the Good Will store for $.50 ) called "Science Fiction Hall of Fame Volume IIa" and the very first story in that book is called "Call me Joe" by Poul Anderson I'm only about 20 pages into the story ( it's not a novel by itself ) and what I have read so far bares such a striking resemblance to Avatar, I couldn't help but start laughing... after every page turn. Now, does that mean it's a rip off? no, but it's similar enough that I think it should have received some recognition. It simply can't be a coincidence. It takes away, for me, a small amount of Cameron's Genius to have realized that. Not much.. just a small amount. :) Anyway.. I'm not going to be a John Carter hater either. It's not This story's fault that George Lucas got there first on screen. Hopefully there will be some better acting in this film, but I'm not getting my hopes up

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    he still sux


  • Dec. 17, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Dont any of you talk ill of

    by phantomcreeps

    The Destruction of Jerrod Syn! Mother fuck you! In 3-D. And Winona, take your stealing, skinny, cunt-dripping, wish she could act in Resurection ass the fuck outta here.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    John Carter could have had all the 70's cool that SW...

    by zinc_chameleon

    missed out on. And that's a lot of stuff, but Yaqui Indian sorcerers sending a Civil war veteran back to Mars of one billion b.c. using their mystical powers, and Carter waking up in the world Frazetta envisaged would have made a far more compelling film than these trailers show. I think time will prove Stanton wrong, and Frazetta right.

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Guys, if Dejah Thoris has so much clothing on...

    by geodesigns

    ... then that's not Dejah Thoris. <br><br> <br><br> Needs to be more skimpy, gold bikinis, the ones so small it barely covers her nipples. <br><br> <br><br> Disney covered her up beacuse it's a "Disney film". Big mistake. We're gonna get a "less than PG, more like a rated G" version of Dejah. Disney, couldn't u guys have released this through Touchstone???? <br><br> <br><br> And yes, Disney, the movie needs more red, and change that ugly font. <br><br> <br><br> Disney, Here's Rule #1- Dejah Thoris must ALWAYS wear skimpy. Topless many times too.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 12:14 a.m. CST

    I'm back


    the Batman thread got deleted again. The Dark Knight Rises. It kind of has a ring to it doesn't it? Way cooler than BATMAN. In a cheeseball $29.95 font. Know what I mean? The music really puts an exclamation point on the trailer, and Nolan's films in general. This Led Zepelling/Puff Daddy mash-up is fucking terrible. Wasn't this done already in Godzilla? This place needs to grow a pair and just fuckin keep linking to the bootleg Batman videos. Right? Isn't that how fucking Ain't it COOL News got started? IT's fucking killing me, I need to know what Killik thinks about Catwoman's errect nipples.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Don't write this movie off so quickly..

    by Franck

    The more they release material and clips, the better it looks, the less hate I see on talkbacks. Remember when everyone was saying Avatar was a bunch of blue Smurfs in the jungle and tank at the box office? Well I'm definitely not saying this is anything close to Avatar, but with Stanton at the helm, we might have a giant surprise on the release day..

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Sadly, Killik, no, that logic does not work

    by D.Vader

    Because people *do* remember flops they did not rush out to see. And often they will say its bc "I didn't want to see some shitty movie about MARS."

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You should also check out "The Word For World Is Forest" by Ursula LeGuin. But it doesn't matter, Cameron's skill is at taking traditional pulp genre cliches and fashioning something new from them. As Kubrick said: "Everything has already been done, our job is to do it better."

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST

    d.vader PROVE IT

    by KilliK

    ask an average joe if he remembers watching a movie titled Red Planet and also to tell you what happened in it.come on.

  • He has mentioned numerous times that his movie has been influenced by other scifi works and concepts like John Carter of Mars , Star Wars,Gaia Theory,etc.Actually he focuses more on advertising his 3d technology in order to sell it, than self-congratulating himself as an original creator. George Lucas on the other hand is the guy who keeps trying for the past 30 years to persuade the rest of the world that he is the beginning and the end of the SW universe...

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    They'd have to do something about Mars

    by Hipshot

    Like have the transportation device take him to the past, or even an alternate time-line. That single thing would relax anyone who was at all interested. Most SF fans were willing to tolerate space ships making a sound in vacuum, and giggle about it. The knowledge that these books were written before we had the information to know it was all bullshit is universal in the field. They are Science-Fantasy rather that SF, heroic adventures, and part of the legacy of the field. As such, most of Fandom would give it a pass if well done, and you gave a single wink to the impossible physics. Fans aren't stupid, but they are very, very forgiving if you acknowledge the problems.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by johnnyrandom's a challenge. Look up inundated in a dictionary. Use it correctly in future.

  • Good luck, Mouse! See, what you shoulda done was invest that money in Tron 3, get a better story to go along with the incredible visuals, something which comments on the state of technology today, like what electro-dimensional gladitorial superwars are going on inside of smart phones and innernets, and shift the focus to Olivia Wilde in her electro-Splash fish-outta-water hottness, and watch the money roll in. Or, you know, blow $300 on this. A movie NOBODY IS GOING TO SEE.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    They should have invested in Tron 3??


    (OK, I'll go ahead and play Captain Obvious on this one) Uh, wasn't it just like, a year ago that Tron Legacy was the movie that was the "bad investment" that "NOBODY" was going to see? Granted, it didn't do as well as expected, but that was mainly due, as you pointed out, to a script that was pretty weak and word spread fast.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    you have not payed attention to my posts, have you? my posts have what i wrote, not what you think i write. The Incredibles score is pretty good...because the guichinini hackboy made a total plagiarity exercise on John Barry's scores, mostly the Bond ones. Easy to be good that way.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:52 a.m. CST

    John Carter of The 4Th Rock From The Sun.

    by AsimovLives

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    saving insults? why should i?

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    1492, Someone to Watch Over Me and Black Rain are fine movies. what are you talking about. Anjd Criterion showed an interest in releasing 1492.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Btw Tron 3 absolutely should be called...


    TRON 3D

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST




  • Dec. 18, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST

    in6087, mars' surface is red... just not bright red.

    by AsimovLives

    still, so far what we have seen, there's a notorious lack of red in this mars portaited in the movie. either the movie is not colour corectee yet in time for the trailers, or barsoon in this movie is not mars. there's always that possibility.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    Oh, that reminds me....


  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I'm still positive...

    by Tom Fremgen

    And I don't understand the hate. It looks much better than Conan or the new Ghost Rider movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The most original authors are not so because they advance what is new, but because they put what they have to say as if it had never been said before.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The most original authors are not so because they advance what is new, but because they put what they have to say as if it had never been said before.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    fucking shit!!!!!

    by AsimovLives

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah, so? Criterion also released that shmeg Fear and Loathing...


    *dodges tomatoes*

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    -"The most original authors are not so because they advance what is new, but because they put what they have to say as if it had never been said before."- Goethe

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    -"Mars, the setting for all shitty movies. That goes for New York too."- I take offense to that. Mars has TOTAL RECAll and ROBISON CRUSOE OR MARS, all pretty good movies. New Yor has most of Scorsese's movies from Mean Street to Age Of Innocence with special mention of Taxi Driver, there's Ferrara's King Of New York, there's Luc Besson's LEON THE PROFESSIONAL, KING KONG, ... well, too many examples to count, really.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS is a great movie, and if you can't understand why that's your problem.

  • Talk about damning with faint praise.

  • but from the few stuff i have seen so far, i don't have much reasons to be optimistic. i hope to be proved wrong, but i'm not holding my breath over it. this can go either way.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    @asi...Seriously though...


    Criterion has been picking some movies where I'm just like...Huh? Why? I mean, yeah, movies like Fear & Loathing, 1492, Dazed & Confused...they're fine movies and all but... it just kinda reminds me of AMC. Like, I'm scrolling through the Direct TV guide a few weeks back and they're running MIMIC. Not a bad movie, but "Classic"?...when did it ever become an American Movie Classic? And actually asi... I kinda prefer Where the Buffalo Roam and Rum Diary to Fear & Loathing. I like Gilliam, but I go against the grain in thinking he was a perfect choice for the material. For the same reasons I didn't think Tim Burton was "perfect" for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...but hey, that IS my problem.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST


    by NeonFrisbee

    Tron Legacy made $400,062,763 worldwide. Which was lower than hoped, but it still made money. It would've made A LOT more money if the script was better. But they've paved the way for a part 3, and they successfully planted the idea in people's minds, so I reckon a part 3, which they could make for a lot less money, would make a mint. Further, it's geared towards the now, the zeitgeist, the electro-times. But this? Prince of Persia meets Attack of the Clones? You can practically smell the FAIL.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i'm not going to disagree with you about Tim Burton and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I never saw "Where the Buffalo Roam". Or "Rum Diaries", for that matter.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST



    Indeed. Tron did well. What I'm saying is the TBers were predicting "epic fail" on every story published here for two years straight before it came out. Mainly because it was a sequel to a movie that bombed before a lot of it's target audience were even born. There was WAY more chance of it failing than there is for JC. Most of the general public will look at those JC commercials and think "SW meets Avatar meets 300....COOL!" Especially kids. Since when does the John Q out there care if something looks like something else? They shelled out money for another Transformers and Pirates movie didn't they? And Stanton & Andrews have already demonstrated that they can deliver a bit more than just run-of-the-mill shit. a fan of the original book and the Wilder flick...I just can't handle Burton & Depp's take on the character. The movie takes I dive for me the second Depp walks out of the factory and that stupid thingie catches on fire. Wonka's backstory...his Michael Jackson impression...everything. That's why I dug his performance in Rum Diary. He toned down the antics/gimmicks and played the character like a real fucking human being.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Oh, okay, gotcha wonkabar, that's a valid assessment.

    by NeonFrisbee

    I still dunno about John Carter, though. I'm a teacher and I haven't heard ANY of my students talking about it. Conversely, they were talking about Tron Legacy for months before it came out. Now, obviously, this is a result of them spending a shit-ton of money on advertising, but still. But, hey, I hope I'm wrong, and I hope John Carter is a good movie.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST



    I wouldn't say months....more like weeks (I was a student at the time & hanging out with the younglings) The geeks around here and Comic-Con were aware...but the big marketing push didn't really kick in until maybe a couple months before release. Looks like Disney is doing the same thing here. If you peep Amazon you'll see that there's a shit-ton of books/comics merc etc. set to come out around the beginning of Feb. You don't want to go too heavy, too early and burn people out on your product before it's seen either. There's something to be said for the element of surprise. Just look at LOTR and Rise of the Planet of the Apes....the public wasn't expecting it.

  • Seriously, like we needed more proof of your raging lack of objectivity. Giacchino's score for Lost is truly incredible, and I have my doubts that you can even fairly and articulately critique film score if you don't realize that. I would imagine you'd agree that Giacchino's score is probably more the fault of Abrams, who perhaps wanted a more refrained tone. Hell, seems like you would want to jump at that chance. But no, your total lack of objectivity is on full display here. You want to find a reason to hate this movie and Giacchino just happens to be your ticket to doing so. His connection to Abrams probably sends you into ecstatic fits.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST



    JC is coming out in March. A lot of movies have cleaned up in March because it's a less crowded field. 300 is a prime example. Prometheus was originally set for the same day as JC in fact. The only other movies of note coming out are THe Lorax a couple weeks before, Hunger Games a week after, and Wrath of the Titans a couple weeks after. Lorax will have done most of it's business by the time JC arrives. Hunger Games is a movie with limited appeal. It's another dystopian-future flick like Running Man, The Island, Rollerball etc. etc. that haven't done that well since Logan's Run...only this time it has a female teen in the lead. And it's no Twilight that's for sure. I doubt many adult women, hell, anybody over 23 for that matter or young males, boomers, kids etc. are gonna be very interested. Wrath of the Titans? That shit better be getting around 90% fresh at RT to convince folks to give that franchise a second look. I predict JC, if it's OK will do about Tron Legacy business. If it's's the limit.

  • Oh, that's right, Amerkanskis have to have everything spoon fed to them.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST



    I do think they need to start saying something about Stanton in future spots. Maybe something along the lines of "From the imagination of Pixar and the creator of Tarzan, comes a new Disney adventure" and/or "hero". Or maybe just say "Directed by Andrew Stanton" Btw here's an interesting flashback

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by Mugato5150

    What the fuck are you talking about? And why are you making up words?

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Mars: not always bright red

    by savagedave

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Whether the movies good or not..

    by Hemi23

    I definitely won't make my decision based on the moaners that can't spell or use puntuation. Some of you are so thick I wonder if you're 12 years old when I actually imagine the people who comment to be in the range of 18-50. that's based on nothing by the way. Oh yeah. The whole first thing drives me up the wall and is another thing that makes me think "are you (not even 12) 8 years old". Thats my moan over.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I'm seriously confused


    Why does it matter what Mars looks like in reality? You guys realize that 90% of every outdoor scene in a big budget sci fi or fantasy adventure is digitally modified, often to an extreme degree, right? Everything nowadays is stylized. Fuck, look at Sherlock Holmes, the entire movie has digital sets and stylized skylines and atmosphere. Game of Thrones. You can't tell by watching it but almost every scene has 2 or 3 backgrounds that are digitally layered together to get the desired aesthetic feel and look. Lord of the Rings, same thing. Now this movie, WTF? JOHN CARTER OF MARS and it looks like fucking JOHN CARTER OF NEVADA.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    @winona_ryders_pussy_juice finally someone with common sense.

    by KilliK

    well said.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Worst title in the history of cinema

    by BBSloth

    yes, worse than the sisterhood of travelling pants

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Haters be hatin'

    by PJM

    TBers slamming this movie based on its font, title, colour filters, and composer (before it is even RELEASED) sound like Roger Ebert would if he got transmogrified into a mob of teething toddlers. That's why I love the Talkbacks - the entertainment value is infinite. Here's what I see: 1) It looks epic 2) Good cast 3) Great director 4) Loved the Burroughs stories and this seems like it hits the major beats. 5) The monsters and Woola seem well rendered 6) There seems to be a ton of detail in all the shots which is a sign of quality 7) Looks like a fun action adventure overall I'll give it a chance and hope it is the start of a great movie franchise.

  • Dec. 18, 2011, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Enough free advertising for this already

    by Gezoes

    Conan on Mars. Please. This will bomb so fast, it won't even reach the bargain-bin. Nice for 1982 though.

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Okay, Killik, I asked him

    by D.Vader

    Yep, he said he didn't see it because he heard it was stupid. So says... AVERAGE JOE! American Hero!

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 5:05 a.m. CST

    showed the trailer to a friend

    by savagedave

    of 'average' film going taste and who has no knowledge of ERB' Mars stories. He thought it looked pretty good.

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 5:40 a.m. CST

    @dvader ask him if he is not going to see this movie

    by KilliK

    because it has the words "red planet" in its title.does he think that it is a sequel to the other movie?

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST

    What exactly was "far far better" about that?

    by Jaster Mareel

    Looks like the same old shit to me. Beige Mars-check CGI crapfest- check Whiney emo bullshit- check Me no likey- check

  • I selected the terrain part of one of the real Mars photos, reduced the size to a single pixel in photoshop, and the colour of that pixel was: 132,88,50. So... pretty red.

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I agree Fett

    by P

    Still, some folks are always going to get duped by marketing razzle-dazzle. Remember before Green Lantern came out WB cut together that sizzle reel to make it look decent by only showing the "badass" stuff? And some folks started saying "now that's more like it! This might be good!" Yeah...about that...

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Sci Fi Original Movies Presents.......

    by Jaster Mareel

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Sharkodile vs. Snakeicorn??

    by P

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    John Carter of the Sci Fi Channel. Sorry Harry. Looks cheap

    by Mike Myers

    And that entire cliche "STAND TOGETHER!" crap is way awful. Disney must be scrambling their marketing robots to make this pretty, putting it out the same year as Avengers, Hobbit, Bats...etc.

  • Dec. 19, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Yep, I agree....Dejah gots too many clothes on!

    by Damned if I can login

    Nekkid nekkid nekkid, Me likes women nekkid, (sung to the tune of Rawhide)