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An 'Original' Stan Lee Superhero Property Coming To Theaters??


Merrick here...

Lionsgate has nabbed movie rights to what is described as an 'original' superhero property from Stan Lee.  

Alfred Gough and Miles Millar (writers and Executive Producers on SMALLVILLE and scripters on THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR and the Michael Bay produced I AM NUMBER FOUR) will write, produce, and direct the picture. The duo are also credited with ABC's recent and quickly defunct CHARLIE'S ANGELS resurrection.  

Little is known about the undertaking at this point, although THIS piece in Variety describes the concept as "a multigenerational superhero movie that spans several decades."   

Gough and Millar are currently producing BULLET TO THE HEAD, due in theaters next year.  The picture teams Stallone, recent CONAN Jason Momoa, and Christian Slater in a revenge piece directed by the great Walter Hill (helmer of THE WARRIORS, THE LONG RIDERS, SOUTHERN COMFORT, 48 HOURS, and STREETS OF FIRE - and a producer on the first four ALIEN films). 

Many folks haven't seen, or have never even heard of, SOUTHERN COMFORT.  National Guardsmen vs- freaky Cajuns in the Louisiana Bayou.  It's quite an interesting and memorable bit of film making.  THIS Wiki entry describes the movie thusly: "The literary archetype for this film can be found in the Anabasis of Xenophon. The Anabasis tells the story of the Ten Thousand, a Greek mercenary army that had fought for Cyrus the Younger in his attempt to usurp the throne of the Persian Empire from his brother, Artaxerxes II. When Cyrus died in the Battle of Cunaxa, the Greeks were forced to march through unfamiliar territory in what is now the countries of Iraq and Turkey while frequently being attacked by the people living in those regions..."  Although, I personally think it's hard to escape Viet Nam allegories when watching the film.  SOUTHERN COMFORT is hard to find on disc at the moment, but it sometimes makes the rounds on MGM HD.  Check it out of you get a chance.  


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  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by Huckshine_Saints

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    2nd i love this film

    by Jaymie69

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels' pilot was just awful. AWFUL.

    by D.Vader

    He's a ghost.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee is a Hack please stop him

    by awepittance

    Stipperella and the Governator cartoon were seriously some of the least funny and stupid works brought to TV i've ever seen

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Sothern Comfort is a great movie.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah no thanks at least not from those 2

    by eric haislar

    Smallville was enough superhero i can take from them.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Stan lee wants to copy Watchmen but 20 years later? what an ass

    by awepittance

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Not sure why "Southern Comfort" is even mentioned here

    by D.Vader

    As this story seems to have devolved into a WALTER HILL piece instead of focusing on this new Stan Lee project, and it changed through a rather clumsy segue at that. That said, Southern Comfort sounds excellent, so I thank Merrick for mentioning it!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Will he perform a cameo to this Watchmen rip-off?

    by Ricardo

    Or is it a Marvels rip-off?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    If Southern Comfort...

    by Marshal_Lannes

    ...had been more widely seen, it would've done for Cajuns what Deliverance did for hillbillies.... Excellent and tense film, that one.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Alfred Gough

    by JTStarkiller

    I still think it's funny that there's a guy named Alfred Gough. Always makes me think of Michael Gough, who played Alfred. Okay, I guess it's really not that funny.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    No disrespect to Mr. Lee but ...

    by CartoonFanboy

    his creative prowess as a superhero creator has long since passed. You need look no further then the DTV films "The Condor" and "Mosaic" from a couple years ago to see that. Combine that with the writers and producers of the less than impressive properties like "I am Number Four", "Smallville" and "The Mummy 3", and I don't see how this film stands any chance of being good.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Grateful that "Southern Comfort" is mentioned here

    by bottombrick

    any time you are saddled with flinging news at us about upcoming hackery, feel free to segue into random decent things you feel noteworthy.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Good to hear of an original comic property

    by hallmitchell

    Alan Moore gave the best entertainment related interview all year in WIRED when he slammed the state of modern comics. Calling it an incestuous industry written by fanboys! Ouch!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Stripperella or the Governator?

    by deelzbub

    I think both of those were Stan Lee ideas. Southern Comfort rules.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    beat me to it, awepittance

    by deelzbub

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    ...a producer on the first four ALIEN films? wtf?

    by StarQrtrs

    Has there suddenly been more alien films? Or are you really counting those AVP, I mean aborition films as Alien movies.

  • Like many here, I have a bad habit of clicking on articles even though, if I stopped to think about it, I'd realize I was not going to be interested in the content within. It's just something to kill time, you know? So breaking into a tenuously related topic—or hell, a completely unrelated topic—at least gives me some justification for clicking. Now it's like a little contest! Click this shitty-sounding article; maybe there'll be a really cool movie recommendation or funny anecdote about Oscar Wilde or something!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I love Stan but please make him stop...

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    ...he's become Picasso paying for his meals by making scribbles on napkins.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee sucks.

    by SpaghettiWall

    Took all the credit for his bullshit comics and now he's making some faggot ass film about this gay shit.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    the Ten Thousand

    by Eddie_Dane

    Isn't the Warriors novel based on that as well? Didn't like it, but maybe that's because the movie ruined it for me by being so kick ass.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Um, love Stan Lee and Marvel but this does sound like a Watchmen ripoff.

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    How come nobody has tried to tackle the Invisibles??? That would be a fantastic movie if done like Watchmen.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Last I heard of Stan-

    by don

    he was trying to get a superhero project going with RINGO STARR!! So, that says a lot right there.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Southern Comfort

    by comicsniper

    Between Southern Comfort and Philip Marlowe Private Eye, Powers Boothe defined 'badass' for me as a kid in the early 80's. I'll be interested in any movie he's in because of those films...

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    The real question is

    by schadenfreudian

    will it be as good as M.A.N.T.I.S?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Walter Hill was a producer for Alien and Aliens?

    by Nice Marmot

    DAMN, didn't think it was possible for the man to become more badass in my eyes. Learn something new every day. . . .

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee never took "all" the credit

    by Hipshot

    I grew up in the Marvel days, and he raved endlessly about Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, the entire Bullpen. If he protected himself, played company man better than the others, that may be true. But there was never, ever a time he didn't refer to the artists with respect. Defending the phenomenal Jack Kirby, who was ill served by the owners of Marvel, doesn't require trashing an 80 year old man, who so far as I know, never said an ill word about anyone he worked with. That said, yes, Stan's creative peak is far behind him, which is unfortunate but understandable...

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee's earned the right to do whatever the fuck he wants

    by Mattman

    He could make Turdman at this point for all I care.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Actually hipshot I would argue with you on that point.

    by don

    Behind the scenes there have been some "interesting" stories. Sorry to be so cagey but, trust me, you only know part of the story.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I guess I should learn not to expect good writing from this site

    by Josh Acid

    (First of all: yes starqtrs, there are 4 Alien films that do not have Predators in them.) More importantly, this article must have been published by mistake with that Southern Comfort stuff at the end that is only connected to the paragraph before it by the fact that Walter Hill is mentioned. I love Southern Comfort, but where the hell did that come from?! That (lack of) transition to a whole paragraph almost completely irrelevant to the subject of the article is baffling to me.

  • I am begging you. They should be as frequent as westerns are today.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee is a legend

    by Nerd Rage

    Haters can go fuck themselves.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    The morons trashing Stan Lee can get bent.

    by The Krypton Kid

    Hey, jerks, the man created several of the most important heroes EVER, including Spider-Freaking-Man! So no doubt Stan Lee has made a powerful and meaningful impact upon your life. So how about you show the man some freaking respect.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    this article is more about 6 other things than the topic.


    and the topic sucks. stan lee has a very outdated, campy view of superheros...except he takes it seriously. he had good ideas once and they fit the time period when his writing/creation was in it's prime, but now it's just sad to watch him try to stay relevant. heroes getting their power from the interweb, or being struck by lightning while on a cell phone, or some other technocrap, with as much understanding of tech or modern stuff as a 90 year old man typically has.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    this article is like listening to a Matt Pinfield rant

    by that somehow manages to connect Axl Rose's third cousin to the Napoleonic war and the invention of lucky charms in less than six degrees of kevin bacon.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Stan found a project for those shitty NHL Guardian characters?

    by DiscreetFighterAlpha

    Gotta do something with them? Since they seem to be a money pit for everyone else.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    i hope it's as cool as 'so you want to be a super hero'


    and that the effects are as good....*snicker* that was stan lee throwing his hat into the reality tv ring. all he does is throw his hat into whatever is 'cool' at the moment only he's about 2 or 3 years behind that, typically. wonder what genre he's mashing with now, or thing he's 'inspired' by... i'm guessing that yeah, he just came across a copy of watchmen somewhere. or maybe HEROES...or that cancelled superhero family show. whatever it is, expect him to narrate and introduce it just like the carnie/snake-oil/used car salesman he is. always having to put his 'stamp' on things that already exist...

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    secret origin of spider-man:


    stan was really trying to come up with something that would be the next batman, so he immersed himself in the halloween aisle, and picked the next best thing he saw: a spider. then he borrowed superman's colors, and viola!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    stan lee's cutting edge thought process:


    ooh ohh! i'll make one black! ooh ooh! there needs to be a gay! ooh ohh- better yet- a gay black! --ooh ooh! a LESBIAN MIXED RACE CRIPPLE ALBINO WHO WAS MOLESTED AS A CHILD AND GOT HER POWERS WHEN HER HOVERROUND WAS HIT BY A TRUCK HAULING TOXIC WASTE and now she has bionic wheeled feet and uses her cyberskates to patrol the city helping other tokenly wronged children. AND SHE CAN TALK TO MACHINES!!!!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Southern Comfort is a cool movie...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...but it has nothing to do with Stan Lee or this project.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    better yet:


    a hermaphrodite that was struck by lightning and now can split into two people (a woman and man) at will- and one of them can turn into animals and the other can turn into water!

  • i was afraid i just wasn't hip enough to see an actual connection between any of the things ups there.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I guess no one remembers Striperella.

    by Iudex

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    strqrtrs, yes the first four Alien films. Count them with me....

    by Jaster Mareel

    Alien Aliens Alien 3 Alien: Resurrection

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    i think Merrick feels the same way about Stan that we do..


    why else would he use 'quotes' when using the word 'original' when talking about stan lee and then spend 98% of the article talking about something else he was thinking about at the time? but this brings up a more important issue- the short, uninformative tepid farts that have been passing for news here lately. seriously, TMZ and ET are starting to have better more in depth scoops now and then AICN just links them here. i can't think of the last article that wasn't linked from another movie news site, or had some actual meat to it or didn't come about 5 minutes after a talkbacker in another thread had to break news for them....interviews and a couple things aside. re-read the article above and then tell me if this is even news worthy of a full page and TB?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    I watched "Who Wants to be a Superhero"

    by Jaster Mareel

    I actually found it quite entertaining, but not because it was a good show. It was entertaining because of that one really ernest geek who actually thought he was a superhero. He bawled like a little girl semi-constantly. It was fucking hysterical. And then he won the show and got completely fucked over, HA HA HA! They didn't actually go through with their promise of making a sci fi original movie about his character. Instead I think they allowed him to be an extra in the background of some totally unrelated film.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with D. Vader

    by cushing1967

    This was one of the clumsiest articles I have read on here - I'm presuming that you get paid by the word and had nothing really to say and decided that Southern Comfort was the way to go? I mean, don't get me wrong I love Southern Comfort and Walter Hill and Classical stories from the Ancient Greeks - but - not sure what it really has to do with this story? Speaking of Storys - the Towering Inferno had lots of Storeys - which is a bit different but it always reminds me of Disco Inferno - not the song by the Trammps but the episode of Quantum Leap. Though there are some scary tramps in Theatre of Blood the Vincent Price film and he had a moustache and so does Stan Lee.

  • Need to read full talkback before commenting

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Hope it's as good as Speedball, Solar Man or Striperella

    by gridlockd

    Actually I did like Speedball. And I love Stan. But he needs to stop a long time ago.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    What's the last good thing Stan Lee has done?

    by FrodoFraggins

    His superhuman show and Who wants to be a Superhero were Roger Corman quality. I'm assuming the last good thing he did was with the early X-Men?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    That story from Anabasis of Xenophon...

    by robert0 also the basis for "The Warriors."

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    What's the last classic, iconic superhero you created?

    by Nerd Rage

    Oh that's right you haven't created any. Please kindly shut the fuck up.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    If there are specific stories of Stan's meanness, I'd be very interested. I'm totally aware of the arguments that it was other people who were "the talent", and as to that, I can only say that opinions vary. I do know that publicly, he has never spoken ill of Jack Kirby, and that Jack felt, and probably was, fucked over by the suits. Stan definitely covered his ass and made out like a bandit. But unless you know of specific things he did to cheat others, I can only think that he was a better game player. I saw nothing Kirby did AWAY from Stan after the Marvel days that touched what he did there. Same with Ditko, and many others. They were staggering artists, and so far as I can see "meh" writers. Even if Stan was only a catalyst, the number of creative projects that flowed around and through him in the 70's was simply staggering. No other writer in comic history had his fingers in so many pies. Again, if you have specific instances of him fucking someone over, lemme have it.'s just "he said she said" and sad, because those were indeed glory days. Kirby, especially, was a god.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    brion james in southern comfort..

    by paul burnett

    ..kiiillllllllll hiiiiiiiiiimmm.. powers ward carridine an coyote gettin his **spoiler** head blown in two,now that was why goin to the video store fuckin ruled. one of my fave movies that i had on vhs taped from a late night showing years later on the bbc...fuck, just remembered tk carter in the legs ..dousy doh muthafukahh

  • we left you a note!!!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:41 p.m. CST

    nice marmot

    by Baryonyx

    All you had to do was read the credits at the start of the Alien movies and you'd know already that Walter Hill was a producer on them.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee is not a "hack."

    by Hesiod2k7

    What Stan Lee is is Bob Dylan. A Guy was was a genius in the 60's and 70's who is no longer capable of producing the same quality of work he could do as a younger man. Yes, he had great collaborators. But, so did Dylan (i.e. The Band, etc). So did John Lennon. Is Stan way past his prime? Yes.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    private stuckey has been cast in django unchained..

    by paul burnett there ya go.. coincidence?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    after striperrella I lost all respect for Stan

    by alienindisguise

    and with his gallery of shittastic creations, it always makes me wonder how big of a hand he had in creating Spiderman, X-men, Hulk, FF, etc. or if he just swiped all of it from lesser known characters. I'm thinking Kirby was the real mastermind.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Stan got old. That's all. Everyone does, if they're lucky. It's no sin. He's not senile, but is LOOONG beyond his creative prime.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Has anyone here seen Southern Comfort?

    by Bass Ackwards

    If not you should read that synopsis above, and visit the Wikipedia article that Merrick links to, it tells a lot about the movie. it's a hard to find little film, but maybe check it out? The movie was directed by Walter Hill, who is currently helping the new Stallone pic. That's a movie about Stallone taking revenge, or having revenge taken in him? It's got some other guys in it you've heard of too. Oh and Stan blah. PS: Charlie's Angles was canceled pretty quick huh?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    southern comfort on vhs is all you ever need

    by Daniel

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    bass ackwards..

    by paul burnett

    .. i would be surprised if people who come to this site aint seen southern comfort! or am i being optimistic??

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by paul burnett

    my copy is in my mums attic an thats 400 miles away...bollox..oh well i know what my wifes gettin this xmas!!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    With all due respect, look at what Kirby and Ditko created...

    by Hesiod2k7

    ...when they were not paired up with Stan Lee. Mostly utter shite. (Not entirely, but mostly). Not saying Lee was the genius behind everything, but he was 1/2 of two genius creative duos at Marvel in the 60's.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    by starqrtrs


    ALIEN AL(|)ENS ALIEN ALIEN RESURRECTION I make that four movies, before the AVP disasters...

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST



    ALIEN AL(|)ENS ALIEN3 ALIEN RESURRECTION I make that four movies, before the AVP disasters... Damn the "no edit" facility!

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:20 p.m. CST

    they used walter hills name for inclines an he never saw a penny!

    by paul burnett

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST



    THE WARRIORS That is a great double bill.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Most certainly the story will involve some aspect of Alzheimers.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Unintentionally. Stan has been delusion about his true "history" with the comics medium for decades. Hey, Stan, remember Jack Kirby???!

  • ...later a successful newspaper cartoonist and president of both the National Cartoonists Society and Association of American Editorial Cartoonists? Helped Siegel and Schuster get a token of what was owed them in the 70s? No? This site has really devolved since its heyday in the early 00s.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by paul burnett

    .. i wondered if that would be mentioned here to,been a few days now an nuthin, same with harry morgan.. whats up with this?

  • And, for all the haters. Bob Kane argued the extent of Robinson's input on everything. The Joker, Alfred, Two-Face, Robin. But read Kane's official biography - it is built on total fiction. His day at the beach with Monroe - a nobody at the time - whom he modelled Vicky Vale on . . . Sure Bob, you discovered her. His incredible escape from a violent gang - swinging valiantly from various high points - AKA - Zorro - in a scrap yard . . . total BS. Sorry Bob. And I'm a life long Batman geek. At least Stan the Man doesn't rag on his artists/co-creators.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Long Live the Clown Prince of Crime!

    by MooseMalloy

    And I'm not talking about some Nolan bullshit either.

  • The man has one of the best directorial records of any working US director in the 70's and 80's. I mean Hard Times, The Driver, The Warriors, Southern Comfort, The Long Riders, 48 HRS and Streets of Fire. That right there is one hell of an unbroken run of great films. Sure, Brewsters Millions was only so-so, but then Crossroads was pretty damn good, Extreme Prejudice is great, Red Heat is enjoyavle enough hokum, and Johnny Handsome, to finish up the decade, is a top notch, and very under-rated film as well. The 90's weren't as kind, quality wise, though Another 48 HRS, Wild Bill, Trespass and Last Man Standing were all still entertaining enough, to various extents, and Geronimo was pretty great. nd he also did some of the best Tales from the Crypt episodes to boot, with The Man Who Was Death, and one of my faves, Cutting Cards, being especially good fun. Then his career seeme to take a nosedive after the huge mess that was the Supernova production, and all he has done since was the so-so Undisputed, the great pilot for HBO's much missed Deadwood, and the little seen, but quite good western miniseries Broken Trail. I'm really hoping that Bullet in the Head will be a significant and quality comeback film for Hill, because his brand of adult, masculine film making is something that is all but missing in current day hollywood.

  • ...Harry is in cryo-sleep or something except for brief intervals wherein bizarre, non-sequitur-filled reviews are written and apparently no one else here has watched M*A*S*H or seen anything Batman related outside of Nolan or maybe... maybe TAS. Sad. This site's geek cred needs to be officially revoked.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 8:15 p.m. CST

    So by Stan Lee original project you mean...

    by Superthug3000

    Someone else does all the work and Stan's name gets attached.Just like all his Marvel work.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Southern Comfort is required viewing

    by Beezbo

    Didn't realize it was hard to find.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Southern comfort is on Netflix.

    by korkie70

    Well here in Canada it is.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    But if it's original

    by Jeff

    What will purists have to bitch about? Oh wait. They'll find something.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    comicsniper, what about Boothe in Red Dawn and Extreme Prejudice?

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    He was badass in those.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Stan the Man

    by dukeroberts

    Stan was the writing partner in his work relationships. Without his plots and words there would have just been pictures. While those pictures by Kirby and Ditko and Romita were great, they were not complete stories without the writing. And though he did not create the visual style of his comic creations, he conceived of Spider-Man, the Hulk, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Iron Man. He also conceived of plucking a god from the heavens and having him fight with Earth heroes. And was the Black Panther not the first black super hero? The man is a legend and has left the largest fingerprint in comic book history. And he has been involved in the medium in different ways since 1939. He revolutionized super hero fiction in the 1960's. He is most certainly not a hack or a piggy-backer.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Stan, Part II

    by dukeroberts

    I hope that all of you are speaking ill of Stan are half as energetic and half as with it physically and mentally at the age of 89 as he is.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST


    by john

    please google, "making comics the marvel way" to see how you dont know the fuck what you are talking about kirby and ditko plotted out their own work...lee put in the dialogue bubbles occasionally, lee edited the plot work to make it more palatable to the teens the comics were sold to...but thats it go and watch lee talk about him making comics with these giants...he says the same thing of course, he says it was because he was doing to many comics to plot them all doesnt fly...cuz somehow kirby was able to do multiple issues within the same month wasnt "just pictures" you moronic ahole btw...after kirby and ditko left the many memorable original characters did lee create? i aint buying that this is a lee original...he just has his name on it....and i lay odds it is based on someone elses character and story idea DIE YOU EVIL OLD FUCK

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST

    rant part 2

    by john

    lee was/is a brilliant promoter and biz man of course, he got his ideas of promotion and giving the creators their due from ec comics (who he helped destroy) but he must be given credit for helping to make kirby and ditko, household names

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Bullet in the Head will suck just because Jason Momoa

    by chien_sale

    typical hunk non-actor like Brandon Routh and Chris Hemsworth

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 2:55 a.m. CST

    You've got it, an then you lose it.

    by highfunctioningsociopath

    Beautifully fucking illustrated.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST

    What's the deal with his lopsided toupee?

    by FrodoFraggins

    I never understood why a man would pay for a toupee like that.

  • There's even a scene where Stallone has his sights trainec on a baddie with his gun from a distance, and another cop asks him, "Bobo, do you got 'im?", to which he replies: <p> "Don't worry....Bobo vision aint blurry," ...then he blows the guy's head off.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST

    People are mistaking the visual image

    by Hipshot

    for the story. Stan and the artist would break the story. Artist would do the (often BRILLIANT!) artwork. Stan then creates the language. The proof is in the pudding. When Jack Kirby left Marvel to work at DC I thought "Wow!" the art was still wonderful, wonderful...but the stories and dialogue were...meh. None of the Marvel Magic. Same with the other artists. There was a flavor at Marvel these guys just didn't take with them. Not to see what Stan did is like watching a movie and thinking the actors created their own dialogue. It's sad. There were artists who DID write their own stories--Jim Steranko was brilliant, for instance. And got full credit. And there were others. I don't remember Gene Colin, or Jack Kirby, or Steve Ditko ever getting a writing credit. When they did, at other comic companies, the art was wonderful and the writing was...meh. Sorry. Stan Lee, at his peak, was a phenomenal creative talent. And spoke glowingly of the artists he worked with. How this mythology that Stan somehow contributed little or nothing grew is just retrofitting from people who love their heroes. Cherish your heroes, people...but it is as absurd to deny Stan was a genius writer as it would be to deny Jack Kirby was a genius artist. Don't fall into the trap. It would be like looking at Ali today and saying: "that trembling old man? You think he's a great athlete?"

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Honestly, baryonyx . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . the last time I actually watched Alien or Aliens, I had no clue who Walter Hill was . . .

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Two questions for all of you:

    by Jon Forbing

    1. What is all this "Watchmen rip-off" talk about? Is there some other site you've all read with more info? Because all this article (or the one it links to) says about the flick is that it's "a multigenerational superhero movie that spans several decades." That's a very small amount of info to call "rip-off" over. 2. This has been bugging the shit out of me... what is with this bizarre expectation that AICN needs to have a memorial article up for any dead entertainment figure as soon as it happens? Maybe they're working on one, maybe they're busy with other things and haven't had time to give it the proper respect it deserves, maybe they haven't decided which writer gets to do it... in this case (Jerry Robinson, R.I.P.), it's a person who is well-known in the field of comics, not movies, so why would you even expect a write-up on AICN proper? Wait for the next installment of AICN Comics, and I'm sure it will be mentioned. Jesus Christ, people. They're some guys who run a website, they're not fucking magic.

  • It was Kirby who came up with the concept of the silver surfer and galactus, just like it was Kirby who came up with most of the concepts during that era. If anything, Lee further fleshed out kiby's ideas. Marvel fucked Jack over royally and lee did absouletly NOTHING in his defense. As for the smart ass that said Kirby's works post lee was utter shit, are you refering to New Gods? OMAC? Kamandi? The Eternals? WTF are you talking about? BTW Hipshot, it was The King who came up with The first Black Superhero in comicdom. During an interview, he mentioned how he came up with the black panther. "Why weren't they (Black People) represented"? Once again, it's not all about Lee. Some of you guys are brownnosing Stan like that Hack Kevin Smith without knowing all the facts. Pathetic

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Oh and Hpshot...

    by Stalkeye

    ..after Kirby left Marvel, lee didnt really crank out much stories did he? And not to mention his Solo projects were/are worse than Jack's. (Although Devil Dinosaur was crap, however, I did like Machine Man.) I don't see Lee's Solo stuff just as compelling as Jack's who not only wrote his own comics, but illustrated them. All hail the hardest working man in comic business. "The King is dead, long live the muthafucking King"!

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Oh BTW Southern Comfort, Classic film. B+

    by Stalkeye

    "Y'all don't fuck wit us". Them damn Cajuns kicked the National Gaurd's ass. THAT's my answer to Deliverence and you don't have to commit anal rape to come off as a menacing white trash threat.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    alienindisguise Kirby was the real Mastermind. See above posts.

    by Stalkeye

  • ...."The Governator" DUM,DUM,DA,DUMMMM....! There is a (New) God after all. (0:;

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Nerd Rage

    by wrx

    Touche Nerd Rage, Touche

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Southern Comfort

    by filegumbo

    Seriously, if you haven't seen this flick, find it! One of my favorites from the early 80's. I had it on DVD and it went down when my house went down in Katrina. Being a Louisiana boy always made it a bit more special to me. Then Bellizaire the Cajun came out not too many years later and gave us the artistic version of Cajuns. Southern Comfort is the badass, stay-out-of-my-swamp, you're-out-of-your-element-you-sissy-national-guard-troops version of Cajuns.

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    mark evanier

    by john

    comic writer and historian, assistant for many years to mr kirby (of whom im very jealous of, btw) has stated many times that because both stan and jack's stories changed so frequently over who created the very least, they should be credited with cocreating most of the characters that originally held their bylines only prob is...that for years, lee refused to acknowledge kirby as anything more than an artist same thing done by kane to jerry robinson (who with finger created the joker, two face, robin and alfred among other bats icons) lee is a jerk

  • Dec. 9, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by john

    jacks 4th world comics are meh???? you stupid fuck...they werent meh to lucas, who stole them to make star wars stupid fuck

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    RE: "they werent meh to lucas, who stole them to make star wars"

    by Stalkeye

    New Gods FTW

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Nope, never much liked...

    by Hipshot

    Any of the stuff Kirby did away from Marvel. And artists changed on those magazines all the time, but the writing and stories remained about the same--with Lee as the constant element. Over dozens of comics, artists came and went. Think about that. I'm glad you liked the stuff Kirby or Ditko did elsewhere, but I did look at it, and...meh. I don't know what you're smoking, but I heard Stan say countless glowing things about the artists at Marvel. And I can't remember a single mean one. If he didn't mention every one of them every time, that doesn't take away the thousand times he referred to Kirby as the greatest genius in the field. Met Stan only once, and found him kind and smart and very funny (we were on a panel together at a con) and I just don't understand why you Kirby fans feel the need to attack him. Stan Lee fans don't seem to attack Kirby at all. He was absolutely brilliant. Why can't you love your hero without attacking an old man? Its...cowardly and petty.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Why exactly weren't these artists...

    by Hipshot

    listed as writers on their work? Steranko was a contemporary of Kirby, and got writer/artist credit with Lee merely "editor." Others did the same thing. Why didn't Kirby, if he was actually writing them? There didn't seem to be anything stopping anyone who actually wrote from taking credit for it. You guys seem to be trying to re-write history, to make Kirby even more wonderful than he was. I'm not saying it's "all about" Lee. Clearly, however, you're trying to make it "all about" Kirby, which is sad, really. He was a great artist. Obviously he had writing chops as well--the fact that I didn't like the stuff he did away from Marvel doesn't mean it was bad, it just means it didn't impress me. There's a difference.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Interesting article.

    by Stalkeye

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST is THIS.

    by Stalkeye

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:32 a.m. CST

    hipshot seriously

    by john

    you cant be older than i right? so you never read the 4th world comics when they first came out...right? maybe browsed them in their graphic novel form whatever you heard from stan was said after he had been pounded for years to give kirby credit but i suggest you look at interviews from the 70s and 80s when lee spins tales of how he created the marvel uni...and both kirby and ditko simply come up as the artists now lee will talk about the "marvel way of doing comics" but will explain it away as that he didnt have enough time to actually write the comics...but every comic story was his idea im sorry...its bullshit...and is easily disproven by those who watched kirby and ditko at work stan would give broad gen overviews...those guys wrote the stories...stan put in the dialogue bubbles...thats it artists didnt change regularly during the are talking out of your ass and again...dont really give shit one if you liked or didnt like the 4th world comics...cuz an entire billion dollar movie franchise was built on the ideas from that 4th world, and those ideas and characters are still being used in the dc universe today ANYBODY USING STRIPERELLA????? YOU DUMBFUQUE PUNK steranko, a contemporary of kirby? he was born in 38. if you mean he started working at marvel during the mid 60s...ok....he initially only worked on fury...ultimately being given the writing byline....dont know...maybe lee was being generous...or finally saw how absurd it looked for his name to be on so many scripts but making comics the marvel way was very clear...the artists did the stories

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:50 a.m. CST

    gonna do this backwards...first the groth article

    by john

    Kirby’s boldest claims here have proven tough for even his most ardent defenders to swallow — and indeed he goes much further here in asserting sole authorship of the Lee/Kirby co-creations than he ever had in the past — but what his recollections may lack in historical accuracy they gain in evincing the passion he still felt for the work, the degree to which Marvel and Lee’s treatment of him hurt, and, as always, the astonishing imaginative power with which he infused every character he touched

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST

    lee the old liar

    by john

    “Yes, there was a time when there was some hard feeling on his part ... but he got over that and we were friends,” Lee said. “ when was that stan...the day before he died? nope....kirby did return to marvel after he left dc but he never considered lee a friend....that is straight out revisionism of course, jack was long dead when that interview took place, and couldnt drive over to sm and kick that old bastards ass

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST

    making comics the marvel way

    by john

    Kirby contributed mightily to the plots and character creation; the workload at Marvel was so intense in the 1960s that there were no “scripts” handed to Kirby, he would just draw the story and Lee would go back and craft dialogue that fit the action shit and die

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST

    forget lennon and mccartney

    by john

    if you wanna compare kirby and lee to anyone, think woz and jobs it was woz who was the engineering who was the marketing genius its jobs who got the name recognition but at least in that partnership, woz got paid

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST

    For the Record, a Moment of HIStory.

    by Stalkeye

    1.Kirby DID return to Marvel after leaving DC during the 70's (He was working on a few solo projects at the time: Captain America, Black Panther, 2001/Machine Man,Devil Dinosaur and The Eternals which was a very underrated book but had plenty of potential. 2.Stan and Kirby NEVER remained friends after the initual falling out.During the early 90's, I was at his signing in NYC (South Street Seaport to be exact.) and had him sign a Spiderman Postcard for me and while he was gracious and all, I asked him, "what's the deal between you and Jack"? He then quipped: "Me and Jack aren't speaking anymore.." From that moment of silence, Marvel Editor (at the time) Jim Salicrup interrupted by changing the subject to something more, jovial.I was in my late Teens at the time, so I can Imagine Lee saying to himself, "The nerve of that smart assed punk asking me a question like that" LMMFAO 3.When a Funeral was held for the King, according to Mark Evainer, Lee attempted to pay his respects but Roz (Kirby) refused to have him anywhere near Jack's Grave. It's more than apparent that Kirby and Lee were not "friends" let alone on speaking terms. 4.Kirby had set the precedent for creator owned comics thanks to Captain Victory and Destroyer Duck. The big guns at Marvel during the 90's (Liefeld, Silvestri,McFarlane,Lee,etc.) left Marvel to form their own comic company called Image thanks to Kirby and many others getting fucked over by Marvel. Liefeld although a shitty artist, fought for Kirby and insisted that the only way him,Lee and a few others from Image would do another Marvel project would be to have The Kirby estate compensated. 5.Acclaimed writer Alan Moore at the time refused to work for Marvel solely due to Marvel's treatment of Kirby. 6.Artist and Co Creator of the New X-men alumni Dave Cockrum was suffering from diabetes and Marvel didn't flinch to handle his increasing medical bills until being pressured by writer Clifford meth and Neal Adams who spearheaded a fundraiser in Cockrum's name. Cockrum deid due to complications of his illness two years later. 7.Lee sued Marvel Entertainment, and his former partner/associate Avi Arad the minute he got fucked over from the percentage of the Movie franchise. I think the ol fart actually won. But note, where were his vigor when he witnesed his "Friend" Jack not getting back his original artwork and so forth? Checkmate.

  • No Friend, It's called being honest as well as having the courage of conviction when speaking out against grave injustices that major contributors especially Jack, have dealt with. If not for Kirby, Marvel wouldn't be half the success it is this very day. As for picking on an old man, I could give two shits about age. IMO he deserved to be vilified for being so apathetic. Saying nice things about someone is very different from DOING nice things for someone. I won't rejoice when he passes like Restyles, but at the same time I won't mourn his passing either.He seems to be a nice guy as I have met him in person, but in the end the only person Stan Lee cares about is Stan Lee. Nuff Said.

  • Superman TAS Apokolips Now part 2. "The World didn't need a Superman, but a brave Man". Oh an then there's also Capcom's Marvel Superheroes fighting game. "Dedicated to the loving memory of Jack "King" Kirby". NYC Comiccon Circa 1994. only a small enclosed booth with three roses and a cheesy portrait of Jack was sitting on some easel. Way to go Marvel. *Sarcasm*

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    stalkeye to be fair to lee and my apologie

    by john

    he was a very good editor and he did undertand that in order to make marvel popular, he would need to use the ec model (and i thought hipshot had posted those articles as support for his position) treat the artists and writers as real humans by promoting them, use the letter pages to have actual, intelligent discussions, occasionally allow the characters to break the 4th wall, treat your readers with respect lee ran around college campuses promoting comics as worked he also had his pulse on the culture and was able to reign in the imaginations of both kirby and ditko lets face it....kirby loved writing myth and epic fantasy....but wasnt great at connecting with the guy down the street...unlike his mentor, eisner im sure the thing's background came about with lee suggesting to kirby to get more personal....the thing is kirby... and we have to be fair to you can see by some of the commentors on those articles, that his opinion is held by others...including the bs that lee was a better writer i love the comments by one of the guys that kirby's art was stuck in the 60s....someone needs to tell all those artists who keep borrowing his style

  • Dec. 12, 2011, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Restyles, good points.

    by Stalkeye

    If someone contributes so much to a company's success, I feel s/he should be well compensated and credited for it as oppossed to someone else, say a business partner reaping the fortunes and glory via your blood, sweat and tears. According to one of Kirby's interviews,There was a time that Lee panicked about meeting deadlines for four issues within say, two weeks. Jack said, "no problem Stan, I'll take care of it" And so he did. I can understand your passion for Kirby not getting his due as much as he should however, let's try to keep it more civil without vitriolic comments. Sometimes you would get your message across more efficiently. I may agree to disagree with Hipshot in regards to Stan, but at the same time I respect his posts and the fact that he doesn't shy away from Hollywood's treatment of Minorities. His Darabount sentiment actually had me question the Director's craft. (Citing the scene in TWD as some redneck drug deal can easily take down a big black guy named "T-Dogg.) You were a bit too hard on the guy, but let's all move on and call it a day. However, this is funny. You're gonna love this, I guarantee it:

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 2:44 a.m. CST

    stalkeye...if you end up coming back here

    by john

    jim shooter is doing a lee one better....revisioning his entire history with a blog im gonna have so much fun with this one here is a memory he has of kirby very little of this story rings true....he jumps from 50s kirby to 70s kirby (70s marvel was the reimagining of xmen....i dont remember their other titles selling all that well...but its been 40 years) the 86 story sounds like total bs....i wonder if evanier has seen it and can confirm it...jack putting out his hand to lee? in the late 80s, jack was embroiled in the whole...give me my damn original bastards....would he have been so warm with jack and shooter? dont know and regarding jacks work when he returned to marvel....he basically returned a beaten man....the work was very good, but didnt have that excitement that his stuff had during the 60s...although that couldve been just the overall quality of marvel stuff then...most of it turned me off completely hope you see this and check out shooters memories...the guy is a hoot cant wait till i get to his defiant days and read how he explains away his role in the speculator market....fucking twat

  • Dec. 13, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    ya...i apologize for my vitriol

    by john

    guess im getting too old for this job thnx for the vid links jack is a huckster....and i will say, i hope that i have his energy at his age...