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The Cast Of M. Night Shyamalan's New Will Smith Epic Is Taking Shape...


Merrick here...


M. Night Shyamalan is ramping up his next directorial effort, 1000 A.E., which'll star Will Smith and his son Jaden (who stared in and was impressive in last year's far-better-than-it-should've been KARATE KID remake).  

The Hollywood Reporter is saying that Zoe Kravitz (Angel in X-MEN: FIRST CLASS) is now in place to play Will Smith's daughter in the picture, which THR describes as a...

...sci-fi action adventure, in which humans no longer live on Earth after it becomes inhospitable. The elder Smith is playing a hero, while Jaden is his son, considered a failure as a warrior. When the two crash-land on Earth, it is up to the son to save the dad.

Sophie Okonedo (OBE) will play Smith's wife. Okonedo appeared as Tatiana in HOTEL RWANDA,  although Geeks may better remember her as Liz Ten - the gun-welding Queen Regnant of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in two recent DOCTOR WHO episodes ("The Beast Below" and "The Pandorica Opens").    

1000 A.E. will be forged from a script by Gary Whitta (THE BOOK OF ELI) , Stephen Gaghan (TRAFFIC), and M. Night (shudder).  


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  • Dec. 6, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    twist ending...

    by Titus05

    they're all really dead?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    The elder smith?

    by Tank Williams

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    the twist is...

    by JAMF

    a ripoff of bsg, it'll turn out they're actually our ancient ancestors and not our descendants... it's the same shit over and over again etc...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    The big problem with M. Night is simply

    by allyousay

    he cares TOO much. Just half-ass it, and it would be MUCH better.

  • Go to time 05:16 It never gets old.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by Therealumlaut

    There are so many things about this story that say: "I'm not going to see this movie or care about this movie."

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by Stabby

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Christ, this sound absolutely awful. M Knight = kiss of death

    by SmokingRobot

    And Hollywood continues to let people 'fail up'.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    How in the F-U-C-K does he keep getting movies made?

    by Jaster Mareel

    How many total fucking bombs in a row does he need before people pull the plug on him? And Will Smith is a pretty big star! What the fucking hell is he doing in a Shyamalan film? At least "M" isn't writing the thing on his own. Let's hope he isn't directing on his own either because he has turned into a complete creative vegetable.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    This Whole Thing Reeks of Sadness

    by Crow3711

    It sounds to me like M Night had very little chance of getting another movie made the way he wanted. Will Smith on the other hand, with all his power, couldn't sell anyone on letting him make a massive movie starring his entire family. Thus, WillSmith called M Night, "I'll get your movie made, as long as your movie is about me and my kid." Sad and sick and sadder.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Scientology allegory?

    by Fievel

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    THE BOOK OF ELI was one laughable piece of shit

    by Michael Lunney

    But Mila Kunis was most fuckable in it...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    That description made me throw up in my mouth a little

    by melonman

    Hollywood bratocrasy makes my stomach churn. Cunts.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Young Fresh Prince Saves Stale King

    by dumbpeoplesuck

    Is that how this story goes? I don't think there will be a happy ending no matter how many twisty turns the ding dong takes.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    A Movie Match Made In Hell.

    by Stewart Wolfe

    Jesus.H.Christ......Shitamaylan....the rampart, smug ego of Mr his sprog......I'd rather eat my own shit than watch this.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I'll See It

    by Aquatarkusman

    But Only if They Change the Name to Welcome to Erf

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Signs is a favorite of mine, but...

    by Ironhelix

    ...this could not possibly sound any worse.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    If all he did was "stare" in the Karate Kid remake...

    by bobsjohnson

    ...I think I'll pass.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The twist is Jaden is actually Smith's daughter, and will rock out with a

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    version of Whip My Hair (or whatever the fuck that song was).

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Failed Warrior?

    by BlackBauer0320

    Isn't the kid only like 12 years old? How are they going to pull off that element? Are they Spartans?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    M. Night

    by GulDucati

    is a testament to the Hollywood reality that you make one hit, two good films, and a string of shit, and you get to keep working for life.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I just read it again, and I feel nauseated.

    by Ironhelix

    And now I wish I hadn't admitted to liking Signs.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    No, the twist will be...

    by locke815

    Earth was fine all along. It just ran out of food stamps, so all the black people left.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    it will only be good if it is in 3D

    by Michael Lunney

    the twist is, it won't be good in 2D, so you have to spend the extra money

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I thought they were making Night away from this script?

    by knowthyself

    I tried watching Last Airbender a few weeks ago for laughs and its so bad I couldn't even LAUGH at it anymore.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST

    The twist in Book of Eli was pretty funny.

    by knowthyself

    (SPOILERS) SURPRISE! He's blind and it was written in Brail!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    sounds fucking lame

    by HaterofCrap

    what happened to will smith? has he gone mad with hollywood power?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    My my, aren't you the clever little racist piece of shit. Do bad Cain withdrew prematurely - I'm sure you can find some humor there as well, you fucking racist...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Are they keeping the title? Let's see..Titan AE..

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Babylon AD...10,000 BC.. Pretty big floppity flops.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Oh wait..I've got the twist..future Earth declares nepotism illegal, and

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    the movie is never made.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Jaden is Jesus. At the end he eats himself, (just a bit, not all) and drinks his own blood, before dying on a crosswalk.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Unbreakable 2

    by Hank

    Come on man...that's all we ever wanted from you...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    The Happening II: Earth takes a Dump

    by Devilboi

    I can picture Mr. Smith chomping on a big 'ole cigar while dodging Birch trees in the Amazon.. 500+ mil BO guaranteed.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    How is M. Night still getting work? And can we reboot the 'The Last Airbender' franchise please?!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Holy Christmas--all you need is Lindsay Lohan

    by proevad

    co-starring and you hit the trifecta of suck.

  • Send them all to the Second Mile.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    No word yet on which Smith member will do a song for the soundtrack?...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    My heart races in anticipation!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Fuck Will Smith and his goofy little bastard of a kid.

    by Pvt. Duke

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Bizarre write up... *The elder Smith is playing a hero, while Jaden is his son, considered a failure as a warrior. When the two crash-land on Earth, it is up to the son to save the dad.* The 12 year old kid is considered a failure as a warrior?! They might as well have written the 4 year old couldn't cut it as a brain surgeon. Or the toddler who shamed his family after flunking his career as a rocket scientist.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I'm reading between the lines (because I haven't actually seen THE LAST AIRBENDER) but I am presuming Smith chose Shymalan for this gig because his last film featured a child of similar age to Jaden who did martial arts?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Poor Willow Smith

    by Bass Ackwards

    Jaden gets cass as the son, but his daughter Willow beaten out for the role by someone else's daughter.

  • 4 shit movies in a row! Most directors would be making direct-to-dvd films at this point.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Look how few of Smith's hits are actually referenced or rewatched.

    by Pvt. Duke

    He is everything that's wrong with movies today. He doesn't pick movies based on how interesting they will be, he picks them based on the money they will make. ALL of them. Money grubbers are rarely intellectuals. See: Trump. Yay nepotism! Jaden Smith AND Zoe Kravitz, two brats whose daddies like boys even though they pretend they get all the girls. Shayamalan is an intelligent person who's also a fucking idiot, so I can't wait to see the indulgent swill we get out of this duo.

  • Great parenting there, Big Willy! Fucking asses!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I'm still reeling at the realization they made a third fucking Chipmunks movie...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    I don't have time for this shit...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    "on a" roll. WTF? Is this site possessed?

    by Quake II

    I swear this site adds and changes words when you type on these talkbacks.

  • Fucking ass!!! Just nuke them from orbit already.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    ''Crazy white people'' -- damn, what movie was that?

    by spacehog

    As referenced by chris_solo above. It's on the tip of my tongue and no way am I googling that phrase here at work.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    The attached scribes are...

    by Citizen Sane

    ... the only promise that this project has to offer. The director and the "stars" may, however, ruin any potential that they are bringing to the project.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    A TITAN A.E. sequel???

    by vadakinX

    I thought that movie bombed...and was animated? I can't believe they're making a live action sequel.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    M Night and Will Smith together is the perfect storm of TB'er scorn..

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    this should take the top spot by later today...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    A has-been directs another has-been, co starring a never-was.

    by Quake II

    Who greenlit this film, Troma? Throw in Rod Stewart and Ozzie's daughters as well.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    If Will is the father and Jaden is the son, surely the holy spirit is Jazzy Jeff!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Ah, the bitter jealousy is out in full bloom...

    by Hipshot

    People who cannot handle the fact that Will Smith is the biggest movie star in the world. Or that Jaden's performance in "Karate Kid" was much admired (not universally, of course--no performance is) by people all over the world, to the tune of massive box office and high critical acclaim). It didn't take long for the racists to crawl out from under their rocks, did it? (and no, I'm not saying everyone who dislikes the Smiths is a racist, by any means. But I'd be willing to bet that a very disproportionate percentage of haters are indeed pale people.) It's so much fun to watch you guys squirm as the power to control imagery drains away from your grasping little fingers, never to return.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Remember to let the flesh melt in your mouth - it is a sacrilege to chew it. And being a potty mouth is a sin against jesus and his dad. You must say 2 hail marys, 1 our father, and 12 gofuckyourselfs. And yes, I am very sacriligious. Because of holier-than-thou fools like you, for one good reason. It keeps me in touch with reality. To paraphrase George Carlin, Can God make his dick so big even he can't deep throat it? I would like to see THAT movie...

  • The budget for this movie is 200 million. Shamalamadingdong gets 50 million, The Fresh Prince gets 100 million, Jayden gets 25 million and the actually film will be shot with the remaining 25.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I thought Tyler Perry was the biggest star in the world?

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Now if Smith dressed in fat n' sassy drag.....

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Will not watch any more M. Night movies

    by happybunni

    The wooden acting of his movies in the past SIX FREAKING YEARS have been more than I can take, and they have gotten progressively worse. He should not be directing, and he will not get any more of my movie dollars.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by Keith Small

    On point again!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    How the hell...

    by Blood Simple

    does M. Night keep getting work? Is it that easy to break out of director jail?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST

    The sixth sense was amazing...

    by ethan

    then MNS (whatever) and his movies got more shitty as time went on. Why can't he finish what he started with Unbreakable? FUCK HIM.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    hipshot...Wow. Are you the new Genderbender?

    by Quake II

    I USED to like Will Smith until he started shoving his kids down our throats and acting like his life is SO perfect. And his Scientology denials are getting old (he contributes millions to the church but denies being a member) and it kind of seems like his life is a charade. I've heard gay rumors for YEARS and everything about him lately screams Tom Cruise part II. I will add that his performance in I Am Legend was excellent. But just know that he's a gay Scientologist with a token "perfect" family ala Travolta & Cruise.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Titan A.E. may have bombed.

    by Bubba Gillman

    But it was a cool movie.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    you say: It didn't take long for the racists to crawl out from under their rocks, did it? No it didn't. You had the first racist comment, when you said: I'm not saying everyone who dislikes the Smiths is a racist, by any means. But I'd be willing to bet that a very disproportionate percentage of haters are indeed pale people. So, you are saying, black people just don't criticize black people? Racists like you never seem to get it.

  • If you're going to perpetuate this power-worshipping bullshit, maybe you should become a publicist. For a flack, much like a high-schooler, "jealousy" seems to be the first line of defense.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, you're a cunt

    by proevad

    Sometimes it's best to just keep it simple.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    (shudder) is right!!

    by ATARI

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks hanyoyo, but I actually felt guilty for writing that.

    by Pvt. Duke

    It was a knee-jerk post.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    You know what they say about remakes....

    by Zombiana_Jones

    ....That they're never as good as the original. Why does THIS film sound suspiciously like a remake of 'Battlefield Earth' in some way?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Don't worry, Willow will do the credits song...

    by ImperialMarchFace

    and the opening song. And probably a song in the middle.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Hollywood family empires today suck

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    It used to be when you had a family like the Hustons or the Fondas, you damn well liked them. Now you got families that just exude a sickening smarminess with the heat of a thousand suns. Must they work together?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Honestly, I was a Shyamalan fan...

    by Zombiana_Jones

    ....But I literally had to check to make sure it wasn't April 1st when I read this. And it's even worse, in that we get Shyamalan, Will Smith, AND his friggin' son.... Will wonders never cease? This turd is gonna be a Goddamn SPECTACLE....Like watching a bus of pre-schoolers get hit by a bullet train, in slow motion....You can't NOT look....

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I Think It's Funny

    by fain88

    that some people's complaints about this are simply that Mr. Smith and his son are in a movie together... Uh, duh. They already were. The Pursuit of Happyness?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Titan AE had some interesting stuff...

    by impossibledreamers

    Too bad the bad guys were kinda' lame.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    The twist...

    by SiouxCitySarsaparilla

    Jaden Smith is really the son of MC Hammer. Hammer had him switched at birth and now Will Smith is the victim of his own nepotism.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST

    franky 5 fingers - I totally agree.

    by Darth_Kong

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Remember when he made Unbreakable and it was awesome

    by sweeneydave

    and we all couldn't wait to see what he would do next? I miss those days.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by proevad

    Sigh. Just teared up. :-(

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    fain88 - hello, thats the point. This is the 2nd movie to star Poppa and Junior

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Smith, as though the first one wasn't enough. I'm sure there are many talented young actors that could play Smith's son. So why does it HAVE to be Smith's son? And don't say Karate Kid proves the kid can carry a movie on his own, and his BO clout helps this movie... Its nepotism, pure and simple.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Please get your facts stright, only ONE Night film has "bombed"...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    Lady in the Water Everything else has made money...just because it's shit doesn't mean they weren't successful. I'm getting pretty sick of "why is this guy still allowed to make movies?" from ignorant morons who know nothing of how Hollywood works...his films make money, lots of it, period. I'm not a Night defender mind you, not anymore, i used to be one of his biggest fans until he took three massive shits on film called Lady in the Water, The Happening and The Last Airbender...each film worse than the last. I'm still stunned he's gotten so rancid as a filmmaker. It's hard to believe he was once in the running to script Indy4. But hollywood only cares about money. Night has had more hits than most other filmmakers, The Sixth Sense, Signs and The Village all made A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY, and his other films have made SOME money. As long as this trend continues, Night will still be making please stop with the "how is he still making movies???!" You really only need ONE hit in this town to have a LONG career...look at Robert Zemeckis.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    How is this guy still making movies?

    by I am_NOTREAL

    The Sixth Sense was a very good, understated ghost story that has taken on mythic proportions (through no fault of its own). Unbreakable was a film I initially disliked, but on further review came to respect (although it's still dragged out and plodding in too many places). Signs had some real eye-rolling moments but also delivered some pretty fair jolts. Everything since those 3 has been pitiful. I thought the amateurish production and indifferent acting in The Event would have done him in, but now that he's teaming up with Big Willie Criticproof I'll bet this makes bank and ensures another 3 to 4 hamfisted Twilight Zone knockoffs.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    There's no such thing as a "Will Smith Epic".

    by BeanGrud

    will smith + no talent son + shamalamadingdong: Will smith epic FAIL.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I meant The Happening

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Not The Event, but it says something when a movie's so lame you don't even remember the title.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Smith Inc.

    by john

    Coca Cola, you're next!!

  • That's a pretty stupid have no idea what his selection process is. Bad Boys, MIB, ID4, Enemy Of The State, Ali, The Pursuit Of Happyness are all interesting films in one way or another and I can see how appealing those probably looked in script form. Most are blockbusters, yes, but that's because he's a fucking movie star and his films make alot of money...all those movies could have been bombs with a different actor in them.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    quakeii: "acting like his life is SO perfect"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    WOW, are you serious? so you hate Smith because he seems to enjoy the fruits of his labor like any healthy, well adjusted human being would do? sounds like the sour grapes of a bitter failure in life. The Smith hate is...pretty incredible around here...the venom reeks of racism, ignorant of the many other Hollywood families that specialize in nepotism,

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    quakeii: "acting like his life is SO perfect"

    by Billy_D_Williams

    WOW, are you serious? so you hate Smith because he seems to enjoy the fruits of his labor like any healthy, well adjusted human being would do? sounds like the sour grapes of a bitter failure in life. The Smith hate is...pretty incredible around here...the venom reeks of racism, ignorant of the many other Hollywood families that specialize in nepotism,

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Can't really fault him for making Ali with Michael Mann either.

    by SiouxCitySarsaparilla

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    WILD WILD WEST is perhaps his most interesting film

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    franky 5 fingers

    by Billy_D_Williams

    "Hipshot, Will Smith is indeed the biggest star in the world. Just like Twilight are the biggest books, Transformers are the biggest movies and Nickelback is the top-selling rock band." Just like Spielberg is the most successful filmmaker of all time? Just like Shakespeare is the most successful author of all time? Just like The Beatles are the most successful band of all time? Money does not automatically = shit. Get some perspective.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Battlefield Earth II

    by JoeHungg

    Nuff said..

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Franky 5 fingers

    by Hipshot

    I know I know: critical acclaim, success in multiple fields, gigantic popular success...none of those things mean anything. Really. Only the opinions of a few talk-backers matter, and it is so incredibly sad that Hollywood doesn't recognize that! are the arbiters of talent and quality! Jeeze, why don't they just pay attention to you? And racism has NOTHING to do with it. Just read the posts. It never comes up at all! I am so grateful that you've corrected me. What would I ever have done without y'all? (typing interrupted by derisive laughter)

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    But, M. Night Sham was supposed to be the next Spielberg?

    by Stabby

    Time Magazine said so. Now, it's Jar Jar Abrams, lol.

  • A racist statement if ever heard one. I guess black = smarmy.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    No, the Smith hate isn't incredible at all, dude. It is 100% predictable, at least 10% of it is purely racial, and it will get worse as Jaden grows up. Wait for it. The internet is the last refuge for this kind of bullshit, people protected by anonymity and able to find other malcontents, railing against the tide as the world changes around them. It's kind of sad, if it weren't so funny. Watch 'em get mad, and stand back as they spit up the venom. Geeeeze this place is entertaining!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    hipshot, nicely played sir

    by Billy_D_Williams

    it's funny how everyone turns into a raving, hate filled venom machine as soon as Smith and his other acting partners are brought up. Jesus Christ. Smith is a fine actor as we've seen in his more dramatic films...and because he has a Big Willie side (white man hates big black man dick), haters are out in full force...really, how much worse are Smith's more genre oriented films to stuff like the Mission Impossible Tom Cruise vanity projects, Top Gun, Days Of Thunder, Interview With The Vampire, Knight And Day, etc, etc...? But Cruise doesn't get nearly the same venom around here.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    And count the percentage...

    by Hipshot

    Of racist comments. Almost always better than 10%. They just can't help themselves, even when they know that they are educating good, decent people about the actual attitudes held by jealous, ignorant people who are, fortunately, only able to express themselves when safely wearing cyber-masks. Just...too much fun for words!

  • He said that his team sat down in the ID4 days and studies the most successful movies of all time and then broke it down... which had effects, which had comparitavely high budgets, which opened on holidays, etc. Those "interesting" films you referenced are not really that interesting, they're just "films that didn't suck," which apparently is the new bar these days. It's like rappers and supermodels and sociopaths: the ones who aren't blithering idiots seem to think that they must be geniuses by default. Sign of the times. And your "no other actors would have worked in those roles". Coulda, would, shoulda. If all those top-ten agencies (ICM, CAA etc) who refuse ALL unsolicited material and thus eliminate ninety-percent of the talent pool outright would just hire ten smart readers at a hundred-grand a pop, Hollywood would be flush with new an interesting ideas. But then it wouldn't be a special club anymore, and kids like Jayden would actually have to get by on their fucking talent. These are all just hypotheticals.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Shyamalan is backing down

    by Jared Bond

    ...from his previous heights, whether he admits it or not. Apparently he's done with "real" movies and is just content to do "children's" movies. (Although he will still treat them as real movies.) Apparently no one will fund him to make more "Airbender" movies, because he said he was ready to make the trilogy. So, even though he never reads reviews, that at least must have given him a message, and he was probably quite devastated over it. So, the fact that he's agreed to team up with 2 other scriptwriters shows that his ego and confidence has finally been damaged a little. (Why did he not do this with the creators of "Airbender"? Why did they agree to completely hand it over to him?) I think right now, he just wants to prove to himself that he can make a successful movie again. He probably convinced whoever's funding this that it will be "less him, more movie" this time. But I don't think he can possibly do that. As he explained regarding Airbender, he envisions himself as a painter who can only paint a picture one way. Also, he takes every single one of his movies very seriously. When someone asked him if he was going "more commercial" with Airbender, he said that he would "literally shoot himself" if he thought about it that way. All in all, I think this project will be canned. I don't know why Will Smith agreed to do this when a very similar project is on the table: the sequel(s) to Independence Day. (Maybe he regarded that as an even worse idea?)

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I used to like Smith back when he was a rapper...

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    I really liked Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I enjoyed his early film work (MIB, Enemy of the State, Independance Day) and even his obvious run at the Oscar, though contrived, was entertaining (Ali, Pursuit of Sappiness). I hated that jellyfish movie and hate him shoving his son down our throats. Never liked Jaden. Thought he was horrible in Pursuit, but gave him slack for being so young. Thought he was the worst part of Day the Erf Stood Still (which is saying a lot). And for Merrick to say Karate Kid was anything but a piece of shit tells me he loves the taste of shit in his mouth. Shymalamadin, I don't even want to make jokes anymore. It only seems to encourage more green lit projects. He started out so promising (Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Signs), make some meh (Village, Happening), and just shit all over modern day cinema (Lady in H20, Airbender). So how excited am I for this latest endeavour? Give me a gun so I can erase the memory of reading this article.

  • I just recognize shit when I see it. Maybe your racism forces you to believe that Jaden's a good actor and Madea is remotely funny.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    20% of what you say is racist. I like Will Smith, but this movie sounds bad. It would sound bad if his kid wasn't in it. Hate for everything on this site is 100% predictable. Will Smith should be an exception?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Enough of the Smith family.

    by BigTuna

    Will is going to create such a backlash against himself because he's forcing his kids down our throats.

  • Funny, James Cameron did exactly the same thing. So do most Hollywood's called research. And those films I mentioned ARE interesting GENRE FILMS...good cinema is not strictly reserved for dramas and oscar bait. I don't think MIB is anymore or less interesting than Back To The Future, or Gremlins, or Jurassic Park...same with Bad Boys, it's just a flashier version of 48 Hours or Beverly Hills Cop...and so on and so forth.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by jimmy_009

    None of this sounds interesting.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams..I'm doing ok. But thanks for the concern.

    by Quake II

    Bitter grapes? Nah. I have a beautiful son, decent job and some great friends. Did you read the rest of my post? He's completely FULL OF SHIT. He's a gay Scientologist with living a lie of a life. THAT'S what irritates me. I'm happy for people that have a great life but don't scam your fans.

  • HahaAHhHHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA do you even see how transparent you are? Because you have a son, a decent job, and some friends, LIKE 90% OF THE POPULATION, you're not some bitter troll with sour grapes? Makes perfect sense.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Which other current Hollywood families engage in nepotism?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    20% of what I say is racist? I define "racist" as clumping quality to a particular racial group. I defy you to find a single comment I have ever said, EVER, that says white people are in any way inferior to black. Ever. In any way. It is 100% not my attitude, and it simply won't be possible for you to find even a single comment that implies it is. Seeing roaches doesn't make you one.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    A gun welding Regnant?

    by mossad77

    Wow, what an amazing sounding character! Oh, wait...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Nope, not a racist at all. If you think that fewer than 10% of human beings have this particular disease, try explaining world history, or the history of this country (which we are happily moving out of.) And if it's you really think it doesn't show up on this board? Really? People have plenty of reasons to dislike Will Smith or any other performer. But just note the percentage of specifically racial references in connection, and you'll see what I'm talking about. If you're in the 90% of haters who hate his work on general principles, good for you! In that case, I wasn't talking about you, was I?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    You don't have to say that white people are inferior to blacks to be racist. I already pointed out a racist comment you made above. You may not be a blatant racist, but that does not make you immune to making racist comments.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams IS Will Smith. Sorry Big Willy. My bad.

    by Quake II

    Thank you sir for Wild Wild West, I Robot, ID4 and for producing Karate Kid. That Jayden probably had to try really hard to land that part. You must have auditioned thousands of actors for the role but he was obviously the best.

  • "You really only need ONE hit in this town to have a LONG career...look at Robert Zemeckis" Ummm, Romancing The Stone, All 3 Back To The Futures, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, Forrest Gump, Cast Away, etc..even his (misguided IMO) 3D mocap movies have been hits. Oh, I get it. Its because he's white, thats why the hatred. See billy_d and hipshot, its so easy to play the race card.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Now all this movie needs is Nick Cage as the villain.

    by BrannigansLaw

  • I mean it, no words.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    "Easy to play the race card" Oh, please. I said 10% of it, dude. Again, you don't think 10% of people have racial animus? Really? You don't see the references on this page? Again, you can't find a single quote from me suggesting whites are any more bigoted than blacks, or in any way inferior. At all. But people HATE me pointing out the shit some of you are saying. Just hate it. The rest of you? Welcome to your attitudes. That's fine. I never would have said a word, if the racists hadn't crawled out from under their rock. Then, I reserve the right to point it out. Precisely what are you defending, and why do you feel it necessary? My finger wasn't pointed at you.

  • This is rare. And I don't give a shit whether Will likes boys and Jada likes girls, but it becomes pertinent the minute they being selling themselves as the perfect American family.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    billy_d_williams..Well sir, I surrender. You got me.

    by Quake II

    You call me out on everything and the humiliation is overpowering. All the talkbackers are probably laughing at me now. Oh wait, never mind. All the talkbackers agree that Will Smith is a tool and his ego is larger than than the entire cast of Jersey Shore combined. As far as I can see it's just you and hipshot coming to his defence. So it's 2 against 40. Hmmmm. Good luck with that.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by Billy_D_Williams

    Hmm, lemme see...The Afflecks, The Bridges, The Wayans, The Kravitz's, The Hanks', The Penn's, The Arquettes, The Douglas' etc, etc...probably more I'm missing. people are just so angry and focused on Smith because...well I'm not sure why.... he and Jayden only starred in one movie together so far (same as Casey and Ben Affleck in Good Will Hunting), he produced another film his son was in, Karate Kid, just like Hanks produced a film his son was in (The Great Buck Howard)...Hanks also produced a movie for his wife (Mama Mia!). Speilberg wife and daughter are actresses and I know they get help from him when it comes to parts in movies...Michael Douglas has starred in a movie with his son and his fucking dad (In Runs In the Family)... there are many many other examples of this nepotism shit going on, yet Smith gets the vast majority of the venom...I ask, how is Smith's case any different than the examples above (and i left out QUITE A FEW)? IT'S NOT. I believe some of it racism, some of it is the fact that Smith makes more money than any other those actors, which would equate to jealousy...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    openthepodbaydoorshal , you got me on the Zemeckis thing...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I concede that I forgot about those other films and was typing so fast I didn't check my facts

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    With respect for other posts you have made regarding other subjects, such as defending Harry from knee-jerk hates, what are the racist comments made on this thread that you decry so firmly? Just wondering if I would concur...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Franky 3 Fingers

    by Hipshot

    "Seven Pounds" wasn't a tent pole. You may not have liked it, but others did, and it was a much smaller, more personal film.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The KK remake was shit!!!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Finally saw it on cable. Whomever thought the remake was good, ok, fair or whatever is FULL OF SHIT! The original wasn't a masterpiece but had good performances! The remake was just bad! Jaden wasn't convincing as a bullied kid and Chan was barely there! I think the funnies scene was Jaden and Chan trying to make the audience feel some emotion in that car scene. Worst acting by a duo since Bruce Willis and Tracy Morgan! Seriously it was cringe-worthy to the max!

  • Welcome to the Corporate States Of America.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    franky 5 fingers

    by Billy_D_Williams

    what does it matter if he's a director and Smith is an actor? They both work in the film business and research successful movies in order to KEEP WORKING...and Smith has done plenty of non tent pole...tent poles make money, if you're using that to judge him as an actor, you're a fool and ignoring every other movie star who doesn't get this kind of venom

  • What was the budget of Seven Pounds, sixty-million? Yes, very small and personal.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by Fandude7


  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    franky 5 fingers

    by Hipshot

    You said, and I quote: "my point is that if Willie doesn't do tentpole, he doesn't work." You didn't say "largely" or "mostly". I was merely pointing out your error. You responded, predictably, with "twat and a dim fucking rube." Poor baby. Hate being wrong, don't you?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    lock815 supplied the necessary stimulus. "Earth was fine all along. It just ran out of food stamps, so all the black people left. " If he hadn't said that, you wouldn't have heard from me.

  • And it was entertaining, successful and altogether unremarkable.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Hitch was made and marketed as a fucking comedy

    by Billy_D_Williams

    and comedies are rarely blockbusters, the fuck are you talking about?

  • Those families you mentioned have all had their fair share of hook-ups and free rides thanks to success BUT I think the major difference is that most still remain humble about it when interviewed. Tom Hanks may compliment his son in a role but he doesn't act like a manager and promote the hell out Colin for weeks on end. The Douglas family is legendary and has been at it since the 40's. Affleck bugs the shit out of me at times but he also seems to pull the ego back when he starts feeling the hate. Plus just when Ben Affleck makes a shitty film and you write him off, he gets behind the camera and PROVES his talent. The Town was fantastic. WIll Smith seems to brag a lot with little to show except a few commercial hits from the 90's. Smith doesn't seem to know what "humble" means.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST

    The twist is...

    by Roketopunch

    Will SMith and his kid are actually white.

  • So how exactly is Hitch a candidate for tentpole here?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    franky 5...

    by Hipshot

    You just made me laugh, and in a good way. I suspect we'd have a good time in the same room.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    I saw that same comment and let the asshole have one for his racism. Anything else?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    "most still remain humble about it when interviewed."

    by Billy_D_Williams

    quake my dear boy, you continue to betray your seething jealousy and hatred. Smith is a wise cracking, outgoing, charismatic guy, which can often be mistaken for hubris and ego, etc etc... he enjoys his success, which he should, since he worked extremely hard for it...and Smith is often very humble in interviews, it's just his outgoing demeanor that seems to make people believe he's a blowhard or something i honestly dont see how people can mis-read an individual so much

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    you mentioned comments- plural.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Imagine if Muhammed Ali had been played by a white actor

    by Stabby

    There would have been HELL to pay. Double standard much?

  • I am confused by this description. Is it Will Smith's character that is the failed warrior, or the son? I am guessing the father would be the failed warrior, but the way it is described is confusing. Anyways, this could be interesting. I'd rather M. Night stick to his original ideas instead of doing stuff like The Last Airbender. Sure he's hit and miss, but at least he is striving to tell his own stories and not just adapting the next toy or boardgame or sitcom or whatnot into a crass money-grab of a film like about 99% of Hollywood these days. As for this having a twist, this is actually written by someone other than M. Night, so the whole "it must have a twist" thing might not apply here. Although, Gary Whitta did write The Book of Eli, which had a pretty nice twist, so maybe there will be one in 1000 A.E.? If there is a twist, I hope it is not some BSG like idea where they are our ancestors or something, or that Will Smith and his family are ancient humanoid astronauts or something like that. Not that those types of ideas are bad, but they've been done too much at this point. I already worry a bit about that ancient aliens stuff being possibly silly in Prometheus. I hope we don't have to deal with it in 1000 A.E. either. I'd say this film will probably be more I Am Legend, where Will Smith and his son are wandering around in ruined cities overgrown with vegetation or something along those lines. Same types of settings that you'd see in that History Channel show Life After People.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    calling people racist

    by Bobby Brown

    is racist. especially when you "define 'racist' as clumping quality to a particular racial group" after saying "(and no, I'm not saying everyone who dislikes the Smiths is a racist, by any means. But I'd be willing to bet that a very disproportionate percentage of haters are indeed pale people.)" thats pretty much racism. so we're all racist together! hooray!

  • Of, course we'd still be called racist, because half their kids are African.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I Am Legend was ok and I, Robot was actually pretty good

    by Jaster Mareel

    And I was sure that both would suck, so you just never know.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    I said "count the percentage of racist comments". Saying "percentage of comment" wouldn't have made sense. I was speaking in general across the board, but except for that one I mentioned, other stuff has been fairly mild. If you see that as an error, I won't fight you on that. When I said "haters" being "pale people" I meant, specifically, "Will Smith haters", not those who are racist per se. I can tell you from personal experience that blacks are just as racist as whites, not a single doubt about it whatsoever.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    the phrasing may have been inexact--as I said, we were discussing hatred toward Smith, not hatred in general. I'll repeat what I said above, in no uncertain terms: I have zero reason to believe there is one drop more racism among whites than there is among blacks. Or that whites are remarkable in any way, positive or negative. That clear enough? It isn't racist to point out disproportionate problems, or the effects of racism, although that is a popular tactic to try to shut people up. Won't work. I have no problem clarifying my position, or admitting if I've made a misstatement or even an error. But I don't believe you can look at that wonderful little statistic (no non-white male lead has ever had sex in a film that earned over 100 mil domestic) and not suspect racism is alive and well in the way audiences react to films and actors. I look at the antipathy directed at Smith as being quite suspicious, but certainly not conclusive.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

    The twist is: mcgootoo is Will Smith's gay lover.

    by locke815

    That's too obvious to be a twist.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST

    this will be a hit

    by rakesh patel

    only if jazzy jeff plays a wise priest with deadlocks and uncle phil plays a crazy off worlder

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    FUCK M. Night shyamalan!!

    by MaxTheSilent

    His talentless ass completely fucked up THE LAST AIRBENDER, which should have been the new LORD OF THE RINGS. Punk-ass bitch.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    trollspotting called it

    by angry_spacboy

    Our talkbacks are the best

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Airbender was appalling. Just...horrifying in almost every way. Nice SFX. That's it.

  • But now he represents that lukewarm, corporate, ad-driven bullshit that can make two-hundred-million and then be forgotten within a year. And his Oscar-bait roles are BLATANT fucking Oscar bait... over-wrought messes like Seven Pounds, Bagger Vance and to a lesser extent, Ali. I just wish Smith would do a Narc or a Magnolia or an ensemble like the Soderbergh disease flick. Anything but this McDonald's style moviemaking.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    hipshot - I will not deny there's racism, and your 10% figure is prolly a bit low,

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    but why do negative comments about Smith's career compel you make statements like " (white man hates big black man dick), haters are out in full force".. Just as you state "Speilberg wife and daughter are actresses and I know they get help from him when it comes to parts in movies."..oh really, and your proof is..?? I'm lining up for that big Kate Capshaw film fest..I'm sure there are those who believe that Mr. Smith uses his BO clout to have his offspring play his children. BTW, Willow played his daughter in I Am Legend, and a voice role in Madagascar 2(Jada's role), aside from Jaden's co-starring lead role in Happyness. I didn't realize Casey Affleck STARRED in Good Will Hunting, alongside his brother. Looked like Matt Damon to me. Some may think Smith's rise to superstardom is unwarranted, I suppose, given his jump from goofy sitcom Fresh Prince to the big screen. I've thought he's been a very good actor from Six Degrees onward.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    This film has nothing going for it

    by FrodoFraggins

    He needs to make unbreakable 2 to get out of that horrendous funk.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Hipshot... yeah, I doubt we'd yell at each other.

    by Pvt. Duke

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    The Last Airbender Part 2...the Last LAST Airbender!

    by Cinemajerk

    In the immortal words of Will Smith...."AWW HELL NO!!!!"

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    shyamalan movies do seem to get worse and worse

    by Bobby Brown

    wonder why? is he getting boerd, just dosn't care? its crazy the direct downward line of quality behind his films...and after airbender, can this film possibly be any worse?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I'm going out on a limb...

    by Hipshot

    And going to make a serious speculation about what's driving Smith to do what he does. Accept my thesis or not, but here it is: He looks out at his career and realizes there is a limit to what he can accomplish: he will not be fully accepted as a human being. That "no-sex" thing is only one step up from "you have to die in every movie." He is angry about this, just as Bill Cosby was angry with racism during his heyday. Read his autobiography: what Cosby did, very specifically, was sequence his jokes to make the audiences laugh so hard they actually hurt. He did this deliberately, and admitted it in print. Every black actor deals with the pain of this: that statistics show the American audience won't accept their sexuality. I've spoken with black actors and directors (never anyone as big as Smith, sorry to say) and it is a real, painful thing for them. I think he's decided to take the money. To go for the biggest, most profitable films he can. That revealing his humanity and deep emotions--which is what acting is all about--is something he doesn't care to do to an audience that rejects something so essential to a human being. Other actors deal with this same pain in different ways. I think he's grooming his son to be the one who can break through that barrier (crossing 100 million domestic in a role that lets him have a love scene), and Jaden's on his way to doing it. Hope to God someone does it before him, but there it is. ## Now: you can disagree, of course. And I may be wrong. But I'm being totally sincere here, and it'll be interesting to see the reactions this idea gets.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    news from behind the scenes:

    by Bobby Brown

    the trademark shyamalan twist is that there is no twist. gotcha! what a twist!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    REAL news from behind the scenes:

    by Bobby Brown

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The only horrible movie by M Night in my opinion is:

    by ufoclub1977

    The Happening All his other movies were very unique and entertaining to me. Actually I haven't watched the Airbender one.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, you're still a race-whining idiot.

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    "(no non-white male lead has ever had sex in a film that earned over 100 mil domestic)" Who the fuck even worries about that? You do realize that blacks are only about 15% of the population, so OF COURSE they're going to be underrepresented in Hollywood. I would be willing to be a much fewer percentage of blacks actually have any desire to pursue acting, due to upbringing and their history of family issues and poverty. The fact that we have so many popular black actors is actually surprising given the statistics. For chrissakes, we have a black president (who sucks, however) so when are you people going to shut up and put effort into fixing your society instead of whining about it and blaming others?

  • so when they crash here, they rename this planet earth too, in honor. oh wait, will smith? then he must have come from the planet ERF!...and over the Willennia it has been basterdized into being pronounce earth. TWIST!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST

    REAL news from behind the scenes:

    by Bobby Brown

    theres a new twist in every scene--first, they wake up from a VR video game to find out they were playing as each other--then, they're blown up and realize they're just in jaden's dream--then he wakes up to realize he's been hallucinating all this and he's a normal kid living in the present--then the wall gets ripped off by bug aliens who've created an old-timey zoo out of earth--then the bugs are killed by angels because they've been dead this whole time. then credits. LOT of twists in this one, LOT of twists...

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    There is nothing you can do to pull me down to your level. Your statistical ignorance is appalling. I never said blacks were 15% of X images and should be more than 15%. I said that NO non-white male lead has ever been able to have sex in a movie and have it cross the 100 million barrier. Do they make it across the barrier in other films? Sure! Do movies that cross that line have sexual content? About 23% of 'em. The only reason non-white males are SEXLESS in those films is because of bigots like you, and there are enough of you to depress the statistics. You have no idea what I have or haven't done culturally, and I like it like that. And I was hoping you'd crawl out and make a public comment, because you are exactly, precisely, the kind of person who creates the problem. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. This talkback is a petri dish, and you are the bacteria. Microscope, anyone?

  • ...when I managed movie theaters and ID4 came out I would have kissed Smith's shoes he was making us so much money at the concession stand. We got a "CC mail" (early intra-company email) from the corporate guys that we should stay open all day and night running it. Honest to god we had a breakfast show. And really the first two or three Night films were pretty damn good. Say what you will about him now. No really - say it. He's become a big fat joke.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Hey, creepythin...

    by Hipshot

    I've got no problem placing you in the 90% who dislike him on personal grounds. That's fine. Again, I'm only reacting to that 10%, and if you ain't in it, fine.

  • Did their budget get cut or something? Yeah, I really want to watch a sci-fi movie set in the future where people don't live on eath anymore, only it's gonna take place on earth. Whoop-dee-freaking-doe.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    I don't like Will Smith, and I AM a racist. Go choke on that one you egalitarian hypocrites!

  • Because then there's only one movie to avoid. Imagine if they made separate movies - then I'd have to avoid TWO movies. This way is more convenient.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    when would you guys say that Will Smith became a joke?


    i'd place it around WILD WILD WEST when he basically played 'J', and the movie was another excuse to put out a new single. sure he's done Ali and other things since, but he lost me there.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    hipshot - you make a good point of neutering black actors -

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    To my best estimate, the highest profile black actors are Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Samuel L Jackson, and the cross dressing Tyler Perry (PLEASE no Medea sex scenes PLEASE). Am I missing anyone? And outside of early Denzel or Wesley Snipes, I can't recall any true sex scenes featuring black actors. White America can't handle it? Maybe. Will Smith can display his well toned body in I Robot or I Am Legend, but show him in bed with a woman? Not that I recall. Hipshot, I think I may agree with you more than disagree.

  • ...or at least those of us who are afflicted with Tourette syndrome.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Smith has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to Scientology...and four times as much to Christian organizations. What does that make him?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    podbay, no he does not make a good point

    by Stabby

    Most $100 million+ movies don't have any sex scenes in them, at all, regardless of race, because generally big blockbuster movies themselves are neutered to appeal to a wider audience including the all coveted teen demographic. Plus, I'm sure that every single one of us white guys here has watched interracial porn. And it is usually black guys with white girls. So, I think hipshot is living in a world made of his own preconceptions.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    hipshot and billy d

    by Keith Small

    Might as well give it up. Too many morons on this site to try talk sense to. Of course no one is saying that any and all criticism of Will Smith is racist, but anyone with an honest bone in their body knows that SOME of it probably is. I can't give a percentage, but it doesn't matter. Those who have a problem with Smith and his family due at least in part to the fact that they're Black will never admit it. All kinds of other BS is thrown out there (not humble enough, the nepotism practiced by Will and his family is worse than other Hollywood nepotism, he's gay, he's a Scientologist, blah blah blah). But racists are by and large cowards, so they like to hide their racism. They're also morons, so sometimes they aren't clever enough to camouflage their racism. Again, I realize that a lot of the criticism of Smith probably has nothing to do with race, and I'm not talking about those folks. But all this handwringing and acting like racism NEVER has anything to do with it is ridiculous. So stop.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    The statistics are quite clear. When black actors (or Asian actors) have sex in films, it drops the box office. About 23% of movies over 100 mill have sex, and non-white actors star in about 20% of those movies. Do the math: there should be a lot of boots knocking. But only white guys ever get the action--sometimes with black or Asian women. Hollywood will make them, but the audience rejects it every time. I personally attribute this to unconscious human tribal behavior, although in certain cases, there is actual active vicious racism going on. Mostly I point this out as Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" of the market place revealing real human prejudices, hiding behind the polite, PC smiles. This is NOT about whether the images get made. It is about the way the audience reacts to them. Remember the HBO movie "Tuskeegee Airmen" where Larry Fishburne talks about his feelings for America? How he is willing to fight and die for her, but wonders how America feels about him? That's the rub, man. To love this country, to feel that this is the only country you have, and to believe that there are many who simply refuse to see your humanity fully. In my mind, the answer is civil conversation. This is the reason that people like Sierra foam at the mouth if the issue is raised: they don't WANT civil discourse. The only thing necessary for bigotry to triumph is for people of good will to think we're post-racial. I seriously enjoy the talk-backs, and think most of the people here are fun, opinionated fans. But there are a few serpents in their midst, and I love stirring them up so others can see exactly what they really look like.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    WWW was terrible. If he'd made three like that, he'd be a joke. Hell, I don't know an actor who hasn't made a bad choice. That...was a really, really bad one, and even he laughs about it now. Definitely a cash-grab.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    You would THINK the "anti-racist" nitwits on this site.........

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Would have the decency to at least stay on topic regarding his film career and not deviate into their ususal holier than thou type trite. As for me, I'm more concerned that our Jew run government that is already trillions of dollars in the red is gearing up for the invasion of Iran. A conflict that is sure to pull in China and Russia and possibly kick start off WW3. Leading to the end of civilization as we know it. That concerns me just a little more than the social positions of various talkbackers.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    I appreciate the sentiment. I sit at my computer working on a novel, inputting corrections. Every few minutes I jump back over here to amuse myself. And you know what? It isn't that there are idiots on this board. It is that there are good people who have never seriously considered that some of the folks around them on the street are venomous morons. I enjoy pointing them out. They amuse me. Like clowns. In a half hour I'll take my son to aikijutsu class, and later, my lovely wife and I will watch the last half of HOMELAND (or maybe finish playing Call of Duty.). I have a great life...but enjoy film enormously, and also enjoy tweaking the ungodly. Thanks for the concern!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    thank you creepy, and danial craig...

    by Hipshot

    For showing your colors. Anyone else? Please?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    About time 10,000 BC got a sequel.

    by Kamaji

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I'd watch if Li'l Wayne starred...

    by Blue_Demon

    "Why you eyein' my purple drank?"

  • As the prevalence of African-American leads in big budget movies has increased, the prevalence of sex scenes in big budget movies has decreased. It’s not a causal relationship. On the one hand, black people have become more accepted in American society and thus star in more movies, while on the other hand, the movie industry has become more afraid of innovation, relying increasingly heavily on proven money-making formulas (meaning all movies must be PG-13, which in turn means no sex scenes).

  • I even liked him in I am Legend despite the fact that it had PS2 quality cgi, a shitty ending and wasn't a pimple on the ass of Omega Man. But, he is an extremely charismatic, versatile actor. That said, it would be perfectly fine if I didn't like him as an actor. And that wouldn't make me a racist.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST're wrong

    by Hipshot

    Look at boxoffice mojo, or any other source of box office results. You'll clearly see that about 23% of films above the 100 million level have sex scenes in them (sometimes no more than James Bond level PG-13 scenes: kissing to a fade-out. Both "Avatar" and "Titanic" have 'em, for instance.). Sorry, try harder. Black and Asian males do have movies that cross the 100 million line, but if those movies have sex scenes, they underperform at the box office. Now, while the REASON they underperform might be debatable, the fact that they do, that those scenes exist but are confined to white males is totally beyond debate. Do the research. I have, trust me.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Why I'm a racist

    by MoaKaka

    Because I hate Tom Cruise as an actor. He's a holier-than-thou asshole, who is trying to use his Hollywood conncetions to push his no-talen wife and no-talent little brat Suri onto the rest of us. And I'm pretty sure he's gay. And he's a creepy, controlling, scientologist too. Ok, now stike out "Tom Cruise" and replace it with "Will Smith." That makes me a racist. Ok, now strike out "Will Smith" and replace it with "Tom Cruise" because I really hate Cruise as well. But at least that means I'm not a racist.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    No, it absolutely wouldn't. Any of us can dislike anyone we want. I stated clearly: only about 10% of this bullshit is racially motivated, by my estimation. You are totally entitled to think Smith is an asshole, and I wouldn't dream of denying you that sacred right.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    No other actor's child has received such beneficial treatment.

    by The Krypton Kid

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    the sex issue:

    by Jaster Mareel

    There are no more sex scenes. They're fucking gone. Sure I remember the good old days, going to a friend's house and picking what HBO movie we'd watch based on what it was rated R for. "Adult Situations" were the best. But that shit's all gone now. Seriously, when's the last time you saw ANY movie with soft-core sex in it? That means showing sweaty, pumping, moaning bodies, not that lame-assed 2-shot of their faces. When I was a kid, just about EVERY film had gratuitous nudity at the very least! Shit, even AIRPLANE has some hot, bouncing titties, and that's rated PG! just off the top of my head, Conan, Altered States, Excalibur, The Terminator, Saturn 3...all genre films, all have sex scenes. That's not even counting the horror films. now even the fucking horror films don't have sex in them! It's a goddamn travesty! And it has fuck-all to do with Will Smith.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Holy shit this talkback!

    by Darth Macchio

    Awesome possum! Life imitating fart. Fart imitating life. AWESOME! Computers will kill us all.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Spy Kids in Space

    by satansteve

    written by Shyamalan? I'm giving this a berth so wide that even Rosie O'Donnell would look at it and go "fuck...that's pretty wide."

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    The synopsis makes this sound like another hammy, star-vehicle cash-grab

    by Jarrete Barnett

    which it probably is. If Jaden and Will are going to keep making movies together, they should find something more "challenging".

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by superman76

    you HATE being white, don't you? pussy.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    cthf - so tell us how you really feel -

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    I may not agree entirely with what hipshot has to say, but he makes some valid, intelligent points without resorting to gimmicks. FACT!!!!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    hipshot is actually half asian if my memory serves me

    by Stabby

    that's why he always throws (asians) in parentheses.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    And Sonnenfeld redeemed himself a bit with the Pushing Daisies

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    episodes he directed.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    M. Night demoted to P.A.

    by ennio

    That's my script idea.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    that would be "as" a camera man...

    by ClayMatthews

  • Sounds like he needs money bad, is his drug problem making a comeback? Someone better check him into rehab.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Lenny Kravitz's daughter and Will Smith's son in...

    by Nerd Rage

    Black Nepotism the Movie

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Krypton Kid

    by Keith Small

    Stop with the nepotism nonsense. Yes, Smith engages in nepotism, but he's certainly not the worst offender. Ron Howard puts his brother Clint in EVERY movie he makes! And we all know that Clint is scary talented, right?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    trollspotting - That's funny, I've heard that too.

    by Darth_Kong

  • starring his brother Clint and daughter Bryce.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Nothing constructive here...

    by Stoolsoftener

    I'm Black, and dislike Will Smith and his childrens acting. I volunteer to get with Jada and try to produce some more though. They would be better actors.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST

    1000 A.E. = 1000 Reasons NOT to go to the Theatre

    by allyousay

  • Blockbuster movies with African-American leads are skewed towards more recent years. Hardly any blockbuster movies that have come out in the last decade or so have sex scenes. There are exceptions, but not many. Especially not compared to past decades when sex scenes were all over the place. That is my hypothesis anyway. I really think you are reading too much into this statistic that you are often bringing up. It seems paranoid to me to think that there are so many people in this country that would avoid seeing a movie that they would otherwise have gone to just because they (somehow? was it in the preview?) found out that a black guy has a sex scene in it, that one such scene would singlehandedly prevent the movie from making 100 million dollars. My guess is that the only way a sex scene would prevent a movie from making $100 million is if it raised the rating of the movie from PG-13 to R. I really miss R rated movies.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    How Does one Spell Failure...?

    by D o o d

    "M Night Shyamalan" That's how!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    I really hated WWW, then I met MIB2...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I still kinda' like Will Smith. I Am Legend was mostly OK, I Robot had it's charms(he liked his sneakers you know), and Hancock is fun-ish. Didn't like Jada, then she met various Matrixes, now I loathe her. Don't really have a problem with Jaden, 'cept his dead eyes. Like his mom's.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    This had better be the poster:

    by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe


  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Krypton Kid thinks Clint Howard is interesting

    by Keith Small

    'Nuff said!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Signs was good

    by pumaman

    ...just saying

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    creepythinmanforever = R. Lee Ermey

    by Darth_Kong

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I liked the Village.

    by pat

    It has its flaws but I don't think the twist was as predictable as everyone makes it out to be. I wish he had made more of a straight up horror movie. It has some really tense moments & the twist (if any) should have been that the monsters were real. The villagers left society to escape one evil & became victims to another kind. He could have made you think the twist was what it is in the actual movie & that the monsters were fake, only to have them turn out to be real. Sadly, that's probably beyond his abilities as a director & he would have messed it up. I was a fan of his up until I saw The Lady in the Water - man that was bad. I still think he's talented & hope that someday he'll make a good movie again. He needs someone to tell him - no, that sucks - don't do it. I don't have high hopes for this movie & Will Smith doesn't have the best judgement either - MiB 2, WWW, Hancock, he was good in I Am Legend - too bad everything else about that movie stunk.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Every one of his movies has made money

    by Cruzboy

    The last airbender made over $300 mil worldwide despite the shitty reviews. Lady in the Water was just above even. The rest have made a tonne of money for their budgets. He'll be making movies for a long time to come.

  • Thanks for sharing too much! No, not a SPOILER...but enough info about the plot to make me stay away from this Will Smith shitstorm.

  • This has got to be the most evil, most vile and putrid film project since the american bastardization of Akira. Tiny Smith asks his daddy to buy him another indulgent crappy feature film, making him the fucking hero of an M Night film. JESUS CHRIST! COME BACK AND DESTROY HOLLYWOOD! DESTROY IT WITH FIRE!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Christ this thread continues to devolve

    by Billy_D_Williams

    people virtually spitting bile onto their keyboards...they hate Smith, HATE him...yet will continue watching his movies and adding digits to his bank account. the greatest irony of all.

  • I just don't see the hate for Smith. His movies have been entertaining. I'm not gonna build Smith's flicks up more then they are cause to me they are mostly summer popcorn flicks. It's not the guy's fault cause people go see his movies.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    The absolute BEST and most SHOCKING POSSIBLE TWIST would be:

    by Crobran

    ...the movie turns out to be GOOD.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    twist ending


    the movie gets good reviews

  • The boy been in two remakes with Jackie Chan and Reeves and 1 flick with his father and he's everywhere? Really?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Krypton "Skippy" Kid

    by Keith Small

    C'mon man! Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back because you're not that clever!. Perhaps if Karate Kid had been Jaden Smith's first movie you might have a hint of a point. And "guaranteed hit"? What guarantee? If Jaden Smith is such a hated, no-talent spawn of the devil, where's the guarantee that any movie he starred in would be a hit? Because it's called Karate Kid???

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    The words: Shyamalan, Will Smith & Epic

    by Riff_Randell

    Should NEVER be used in the same sentence. Ever again.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Well I'm probably in the minority here..........

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    as I've always prefered MIB2 to the original. More fun and took itself less seriously.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Re: by the founder

    by Ricardo

    Being a bad actor and buying feature films to his no-talent son.

  • But see a negro and his negro kid and know all of a sudden nepotism is bad. As many actors that I've see mentioned here and I know they got where they are because of connections of their parents and not a fucking peep outta you bastards. Fuck all y'all. I'm glad Smith is doing is thong and it looks like Lil Jaden will have career Andre could care less losers cause none of u are his target demo.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by Baryonyx

    He was truly awful in the (pretty dire) DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL remake. Just terrible. How the hell did he get in the movie? Maybe Will Smith didn't get him the role personally, but being Will Smith's son must've helped Jaden win the part at the expense of similar aged kids (with more talent).

  • Forever. And ever. After his upteenth stinker, you fuckers are finally coming to realize hes a shitty hack. Took you long enough.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Will Smith

    by D o o d

    he's been in some bad movies, but he himself is a good actor and a very charming man. For all his success and wealth he still comes across, in interviews, as the guy next door! The real problem here isn't Will Smith. It's the fact that the crappy director that is M Night is going to be directing a film with a kid in it. At best this hack can't make a decent movie, we've seen how he directs kids in 'The Last Airbender', so this is going to straight up suck from the start! Going back to Will Smith, I have no issues with him. He has entertained me for many years and has earned all his stripes!

  • Ahhh, let me recline on my sofa, take a sip of my evening drink, and...,ahhhh. There aint nuthin like a few good pals, 'cuz if you got a few good pals, well then you got yourself a tribe. There aint nuthin stronger than that. Aint that right, Dirty Steve?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST

    What's this?

    by Bobo_Vision

    M. Night sucks and Will Smith's kids are being forced upon us? Oh, you. The AICN gang strikes again....ahhhhh heee heee. We're laughing...we're loving....

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Sixth Sense still trumphs anything Will Smith has done with his career.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    For that, M.Night wins by default.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    =Jaden (who stared in and was impressive= in The Karate Kid remake

    by Wookie_Weed

    You just lost all credibility Merrick, if you think Jaden Smith was "impressive" in TKK. He was fucking atrocious, a pretentious little twat. The rest of the film was better than I expected, but it would have been equal to the original if they had have cast a more likeable kid.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    =Jaden (who stared in and was impressive=

    by Wookie_Weed

    Yeah, cos Jaden did a lot of staring in the Karate Kid, but not much acting.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Good on M. Knight for making money with all of his movies

    by happybunni

    Maybe he should use some of that money to take Directing Classes, cause all he does is make crap that people will go see in hopes of him returning to former glory.. But he keeps getting worse and worse. Makes me think that he's not responsible for Signs being excellent, but the team he was with. Have an M. Knight marathon, I DARE you, just see how bad his directing has gotten through the years

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    And Will Smith is not bad

    by happybunni

    Not sure why he's got so much hate on here, but he makes entertaining and interesting movies. Seven Pounds, Enemy of the State and The Pursuit of Happyness were very well acted. I am Legend, Hitch, Bad Boys, Men in Black, I Robot were all entertaining. He has a really good track record, so fuck this talkback dissing his acting for no reason. Dis his personality, but he makes good movies. Also do an ID4 sequel alreaddyy

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    I used to thin M was a good director

    by proevad

    but then I took an arrow to the knee.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Enemy of the State

    by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe

    Was fucking awesome. Hancock was infinitely watchable, mostly BECAUSE of Smith. The horrible plot resolution wasn't his fault.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by frank

    You thought the Day the Earth Stood Still remake was urgent and foreboding? Interesting take.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Black people have been making HUGE box office since Eddie Murphy--the 80's. That's plenty of time for the stats to be in. Denzel has spoken of this problem in print. I've talked to Sam Jackson, Blair Underwood, Forrest Whittaker and Reggie Hudlin about it, and it's very real. I grasp that you don't want to believe it, but while you can argue with my interpretation of the numbers, the numbers themselves are impeccable. I've done my research. Now, my theory of WHY it happens has the virtue of being elegant (simple tribal aversion) and predictive (I've been able to predict box office failure for decades.) Teh same thing in a milder form afflicts television--there've been about two or three SUCCESSFUL hour-long dramas with non-white stars (the star is the person whose name comes first on the screen. Success means lasting more than two seasons) in the history of television. Tons of comedies, yep, we're great to laugh at--but only a couple of dramas. So it's o.k., but I'll continue mentioning this until someone gets across that 100 million line. Right now, I suspect it might have to wait for Jaden to grow up. Which might, if i was cynical enough, explain why people here hate him so much. They can see what's coming, and it drives them buggy. I'm lovin' this. Look at all the hate! I said 10% racism, and yep, you guys obliged me. I knew you could do it if you tried!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    datbenbuford, seek oxygen because your brain needs it.

    by The Krypton Kid

    The Karate Kid was a huge franchise and beloved by many film fans, so it's a guaranteed hit. Will Smith is smart and he knew that. So he ensured that his son's first starring vehicle was a guaranteed hit. It's not that hard to figure out, skippy. I'll give Smith this: He's shrewd.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe

    Hear, hear. I thought Sixth Sense was hacky and inferior to (the same year's?) Stir of Echoes, and Unbreakable might be one of the worst mishandlings of story potential in cinema history. Signs was at least a 75% effort, but not enough to redeem, and not the beginning of an upward trend for sure.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:40 p.m. CST

    man, hipshots right

    by Bobby Brown

    the worlds fucking fucked up. thats not right. and i feel horrible like i caused all of this because im white. im part of that tribal bullshit. and even though i dont agree with whats happening and would love to change it and make everyone equal, because im white i still feel responsible. like its my fault. fuck. fuck this whole fucking world.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Furor over nepotism is misgided and misplaced - part I

    by TallanDagwood

    While I understand railing against companies and concerns that promote hereditary incompetence, I can not fathom a blanket condemnation of nepotism. Hollywood in general and acting in particular, were built upon nepotism. From the greatest acting family's to the lowliest bit players. From key grips and carpenters, to writers and directors - all occupations which i have noticed seem to escape the ire of some who loudly complain about such nepotism with actors, this nepotism - or family business, is passed down from generation to generation. You do not see the grips complaining that they got a leg up because their father was a grip. There is no such thing as a guaranteed hit for a beloved remake. Hollywood is littered with remakes that failed miserably, of beloved movies. While neither defending nor decrying what Will Smith has done for his children, I will say: what parent would not want their child to succeed regardless their own success?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Part II - Furor over nepotism is misguded and misplaced

    by TallanDagwood

    Jaden Smith was given an opportunity, but he had to make the most of it to succeed. People may have gone to see the movie in it's first week out of curiosity, but if word of mouth or press had been bad, it would have failed. It did not. It became a very respectable hit. That was due in no small part to the ability of Jaden Smith. Given what some deem an unfair advantage, he made the most of it and succeeded. Guilds and unions, arts and crafts, industrial and financial institutions and on and on all have such traditions. Generally, though not always, performance trumps bad bloodlines. If the hereditary heir stinks, he is replaced.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Part III - Please forgive long windedness

    by TallanDagwood

    If audiences truly hated nepotism, hollywood would cease to exist. If the public truly hated nepotism, some of the largest companies in the world would end. Ford, cars, Mars candy and Walmart retail Just to name a few How many comic book artists and writers and creators come from families raised in the industry? Passing along your craft and giving your offspring an advantage over others may irritate some (and really it should only be those who are in direct competition with those children or those who are directly affected by the decisions of those children) but I would do the same if I had it in my power, and I believe most of us who loved our children would

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Misguided, not 'misgided' or 'misguded'

    by TallanDagwood

    Really, it is getting late

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Will Smith the person...

    by WhatTheHellHappenedToMe

    I'll admit that he's come off as a little too-big-for-his-britches over the years, but scum because he wants his movies to be successful? The guy's not Daniel Day Lewis FFS. He's a hollywood actor who wants to maintain a certain portfolio so he can make the most money. And as for the nepotism, holy shit, are you serious? Bryce-Dallas Howard, Sofia Coppola, Nick Cage, Colin Hanks, Scott Caan, Rumer Fucking Willis, Tori Spelling, Angelina Jolie, and the list goes on and on and on. It's Hollywood. All of the above listed suck in their own way, and Smith's kids probably don't deserve their spots, but you can't blame Big Willie for playing by the rules.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    i complained

    by Bobby Brown

    and it got ben kenobi killed anyway. what can you do. the worlds fucking shit.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    WARNING: do not accidentally click the banner ad!

    by ClayMatthews

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    History lesson time from a black man

    by RobertCrane

    Love Jones is a classic film in the black community and has all what is missing in most movies today that feature a decent black cast. Meaning more than the funny black woman friend or the jive talking brother in the mail room or delivery guy. Or the funny judge or the screaming police sgt. I used to own hundreds of movies, downsized them quite a bit and have several blu rays. None of what I own now or in the past were Will Smith films. Just not to my liking. He has chosen to make money, good for him and his family I did enjoy Six Degrees and to a lesser extent The Pursuit of Happyness. Men in Black the first one was decent but not a type of film that would have me purchase it and watch over again. Hollywood is weird. Blacks get a different look on film. Eddie Murphy in Boomerang had some love scenes. You would have to go way back in the 70's for others. But they are few and far between.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by frank

    Quote: 'I'm lovin' this. Look at all the hate! I said 10% racism, and yep, you guys obliged me. I knew you could do it if you tried!’ Is this directed at me? What did I say that could possibly be construed as hateful or racist? If it wasn’t directed at me, then why did you put it at the end of your response to my comment?

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    How can you not be running an ad blocker and a script regulator

    by Jon Snow

    Addons are your friends.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Smith has admitted in interviews that he and his agent worked out a formula

    by soma_with_the_paintbox

    which he sticks to in order to make the most money--something about the biggest blockbusters being love stories in a mildly fantasy/sci-fi setting. It was way more detailed than that. He has never had a problem expressing that he cares about money foremost, entertainment second, and art last. Whole lot of hate in here for this strawman version of Will Smith.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by frank

    I would be very curious to hear your list of movies that would have made over 100 mil if they had not contained sex scenes with African-American males.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    shit thanks totalreality

    by soma_with_the_paintbox

    for some sorely needed perspective

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:26 p.m. CST


    by Bobby Brown

    im stupid. i dont know what those are. and i really hope your user name isnt true.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    of course lil bow wow is a failed warrior, he's skinny 15 year old with brades

    by EyeForgiveMelGibson

    he's not made to be a warrior but probably a poet or minstral or jester or someone.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Pay no attention to the username.

    by frank

    He could well be just fucking with you.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Will Smith and M Night

    by RobertCrane

    Again I love movies. Old school, being able to sit in the theatre and watch the same movie over and over, reciting lines, having to buy Fangoria to find out what was upcoming. Those were the days. But again, this summer prime example. With my kids, looking at the Redbox kiosk, there was NOTHING that screamed, rent me. Nothing. Hey, Will, do your thing, get that stupid money Holllywood is willing to pay you. I do want to see Uptown Saturday Night remake or revision. M Night, get your money as well. I did like Signs, Unbreakable. My kids hate you for Last Airbender though. But again, between the two of them, I own zero of their movies. I can watch Star Wars (first three), Indy Jones, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Shawshank Redemption, even some of Tom Cruise's movies. But let me stop. Hollywood will continue to pump out 3d and robots and aliens.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST

    the founder, nepotism in Hollywood

    by lv_426

    You're right. And not just in Hollywood. Nepotism is a huge problem in almost all of the industries and professions that one could pursue as a job or career in this country.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Last Airbender best fantasy film for long time...

    by even9

    To this fantasy genre film fan. And only reason i found out about it to see it multiple times at the cinema was because of all the on-line hate for it - otherwise i wouldn't have noticed it & given it a shot!! I'm creative with my film choices, and don't have any set formula for what i like.....but Last Airbender was awesome film! Wish i'd seen Speed Racer at the cinema to support it, but was a bit jaded by Matrix backwash, but that's another example of a hard to categorize type imaginative film which is unexpected & lots of fun. Good luck to Shyamalan & team, & please movie Gods, how about seeing out Last Airbender trilogy after this great movie? But don't blow marketing money on fan boys, haha :) There's enough movie audience for all kinds of takes if done right ya know!

  • Seriously. I'd like to see what Will Smith and his agent/manager came up with as the criteria for how to determine whether or not a certain film project or script will (in their opinion) lead to a hit film.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Taking shape....

    by maxjohnson1971

    in the form of a huge pile of shit!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    darth_kong, M. Night directing an Alien movie

    by lv_426

    What a tweessttt!!!!!! Seriously though, that could be interesting. If he had a rock solid script, and was going for the tone of the original Alien (dread, panic, slow building fear, a cunningly sneaky stalking alien), then I could see him doing something interesting with it. As long as he was able to make it damn scary and R-rated if need be. Also, he would have to make the film an Alien movie, and not an M. Night Shyamalan movie. I don't know if he could do that. He is very adamant about putting his personal signature on all his films it seems. A little bit of that is fine, as Sir Ridley, Cameron, and Fincher did that on their Alien films. My worry would be that Shyamalan would go overboard similar to how Jean Pierre Jeunet did with putting his personal style and signature all over Alien Resurrection to the point that it became more a Jeunet film than a proper Alien film. M. Night can definitely amp up suspense and is good at scares if he wants to be. I just can't see him doing a more actiony take on the xenomorphs ala Cameron's Aliens though.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I'd actually like to see Shyamalan make a zombie flick

    by lv_426

    He can do the whole "contained thriller" type of film pretty well. I think he would also be able to make some actually scary zombies using his camera blocking skills and ability to build suspense and classy scares. Let's face it, zombies, while an interesting monster for telling stories with, are not really that scary anymore. I think M. Night could do something interesting with them. Also, he could potentially do a zombie film for a smaller budget than his last few films, meaning he could play with some more complex themes. Also, I think he might benefit from going back to the more low key character driven type of film that catapulted him to fame (or infamy at this point it seems) and fortune. That being The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST

    sounds cool, night shifting gears making big budget science fiction

    by wattos new hat

    not to interested in will smith nor his offspring but sounds like it might be ok. i do think m night can make a good film still, he has before.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    M surrounds himself with yes men

    by Jon Snow

    His own little private cult that he uses from pre production all the way to the editing room. He's Lucas without the cash flow. Someone needs to step up and tell him his scripts suck. Grow a sack.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST


    by Darth_Kong

    If SHAMALAMA-DING-DONG had made something akin to HARDWARE, I'd say go for it. I mean he couldn't even do it with SIGNS, in regards to shooting the creature right. It was wrong. It was totally missing something and it wasn't necessarily creature design. It's how he shot it. I hated it. I didn't even mind that he waited till the end to show it but there was something missing. He didn't get it. I agree, he's too him and not enough A L l E N.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    jon-snow-dies - I can confirm those reports.

    by Darth_Kong

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Dancing, laughing, drinking, loving...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...and now im all alone in bedsit land, my only home. Ok, time to watch a movie and then head off to dreamland...the other dimension...where the other me lives another life. But im gonna toil in this life for a little bit more. Night, night, boys. Keep the rhythm goin' here. Keep it movin' and keep it groovin'. Keep it shakin' and keep it bakin'.

  • Your book is shit.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Obama and M must have been long lost brothers

    by My best friend

    They both produce total crap. But at least M tries to deliver and doesn't get lost in his empty promises

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Apparently I'll be the only one getting the Netflix blu ray

    by Jay Eyler

    Will Smith has done enough good work in his dramas, and his boy has shown some chops. If given the right material, this could be good. It's all in the execution. I'll at least check it out.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    His son is already a conceited little brat

    by Queefer Sutherland

    I can't imagine what an insufferable asshole he'll be in his teens. Will raised himself a Grade A Prime Narcissist. I've had enough of the Smiths to last me a lifetime. And I've definitely had me enough M. Night. What a giant bunch of fucking losers.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Didn't Don Bluth already make this film?

    by Cadillac Jones

    I'm quite sure Titan A.E. holds up better than anything Shymalamadingdong can dish out...

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST

    3...2...1...SHIT FEAST!

    by Pixelsmack

    That's all.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Why Will Smith gets a lifetime pass

    by oisin5199

    First, I can't believe an MNS talkback isn't filled with venomous rage over how much people hate his movies. It's directed at Will Smith. I'm not a huge fan, but I gotta say, I just like the guy. Any interview I've seen with him, he just seems like he's a cool dude who's really enjoying himself. And when he made the transition to movies, he didn't jump right into ID4. Does anyone remember a little movie called Six Degrees of Separation? Based on a play? Where Will Smith played a sensitive con-artist who's openly gay? Doesn't scream blockbuster, does it? After his reputation as a rapper and a sitcom star, I couldn't think of a more ballsy move into films. Haterz gotta hate. Anyway, I'm excited about seeing Sophie Okonedo again. Loved her in Doctor Who. She was also awesome in Dirty Pretty Things.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 2:21 a.m. CST

    At least the conceited "Night" let someone else write

    by textual

    Number one on the list of things from the show he left out of his The Last Airbender film was the comedic dialogue. He felt free to steal their plots (poorly) but of course "Night" had to write all the dialogue.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST

    WOW...that sounds like SHIT.

    by Ryan

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Oh, and your name is Manoj, you cunt, deal with it

    by textual

    There's like a million other Indian people with that name. Yet you somehow take your middle name, Nelliyattu, and turn that into Night?

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Read The Man Who Heard Voices

    by Cobb05

    Read that book and you'll see why M. Night's movies suck. He believes his hype as this great filmmaker. The book follows him as he's making Lady in the Water and you'll see exactly why that movie doesn't work at all. People kept telling him that they didn't get the story and instead of making the movie more accessable, he gets pissed off at them for not thinking it's the greatest thing they ever read. Also he talks about how he could beat Michael Jordan at basketball, which shows you how far is head is up his ass.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Twist Ending!

    by Zombiana_Jones

    This film purports to be directed by Shyamalan, but was actually 'phoned in' by his executive assistant, because Shyamalan had actually drowned in the Ganges before the start of production. In a way, it's one way this film will that he won't actually direct.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST


    by NeonFrisbee

    M. Knight, please, just stop.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    somebody had to say it.

  • That his name above the title would insure butts in seats. Wasn't that lame "elevator horror story" Devil suppose to kick off his own brand of smaller Twilight Zone-type movies like Raimi's Ghost House and Dark Castle? Yup, see how well that went. To paraphrase Top Gun, his ego writes checks his talent can't cash.

  • when he noted that you white bastards accusing Will Smith of NEPOTISM in Hollywood (of all places) is code for "WHO DOES THAT NIGGER THINK HE IS?" ...Hence the poster, "whatthehellhappenedtome" implying that "Will comes off as a little too-big-for-his-britches over the years" on his 8:02 pm comment.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson for President 2012!

    by glodene

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Did someone say Don Bluth?!

    by conspiracy

    Make the fucking Dragons Lair film already! You all know you want a live action Princess Daphne scene.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    *sniff* I smell something that stinks of nepotism

    by Stalkeye

    The whole concept reeks of shit and with M Night Shamalamadingdong's involvement, it's a instant pass. Just like Air bender.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Smiff and Son.

    by Stalkeye

  • Six degrees of seperation still remains his breakthough performance. Then it went downhill starting with Wild Wild West. But fuck it, the first half of Hancock was very good.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I Am Legend

    by Mister Grieves

    was the worst film translation of a book since Running Man. Also, the U.S. has a partially black president. White guilt is dead.

  • and the movie business in general and any fan of film needs to read it immediately if they haven't already. its one of the most honest books i've ever seen and shows the making of a complete piece of shit from beginning to end and the man who just will not budge...which i actually admire, because as a director you really cannot compromise your vision or it will be a watered down piece of shit...on the other hand you can completely stick to your vision and have the movie still turn out like this case i think it was Night being a poor judge of his own work and being at the absolute HEIGHT of his fame, which would screw with anybody's head. for actors its not a big deal because they dont create the movies, they just act in them, but for a filmmaker whether the movie is piece of shit or not falls squarely on your shoulders if you've cast it well.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    This plot sounds like some Worf and Alexander fanfic.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Sorry, TNG officially burnt me out on "son who is a disappointment to warrior dad" plotlines over a decade ago. Pass.

  • Mel ain't goin' no where, and as long as he's still a VIABLE commodity in Hollywood, the Jews will openly embrace him with opened arms cuz nuthin' says "ALL IS FORGIVEN" than BIG BOX OFFICE RECEIPTS to the garden variety CARPET BAGGER (JEW)...So ixnay with all of your wishcrafting.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    THE TWIST in the movie... it was all A DREAM!

    by space doughnut

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Nice, you boys have kept it going

    by Bobo_Vision

    Youve kept it movin' and kept it groovin'. A little of the ol' in and out. It's all in the hips. Thrusters...full force. That's it. Got that steady rhythm goin'. Keep it shakin' and keep it bakin'. Into the pink with each others' dinky dink.

  • Hysterical!!!

  • Hysterical!!!

  • Hysterical!!!

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Could you imagine a movie scripted by M Night, starring Will Smith, and directed by

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Roman Polanski??? This thread would never die.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by benlinus

    A Sham-a-lam movie with Smith and his god-awful kid??!! I hope Mike, Joel, Crow, Servo et. al. are taking note!!!!

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    You wanna know why Will Smith is an asshole?

    by Darth Macchio

    Cause he told that guy in 'I, Robot' to hold his pie or wear it. I'd have told him and his pie to fuck off. I mean who does he think he is? "Hold the pie or wear it"? That's some tyrannical shit right there. Like a high-school bully but not the type of high-school bully that shoves a broomstick up your ass. That's totally different.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Hell yeah F$$K Will smith

    by anakinsoyo

    Will smith was good in the fresh prince and everything since then has been a pile of crap . Are the studio paying him twice ? once for his terrible acting and then again for his over sized ego . And now we have to suffer his bratty little kid . GET ME A F$#@KING BUCKET

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by anakinsoyo

    Mel Gibson is the man ! Fuck hollywood

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    What's next?


    Tom Hanks starring in Uwe Boll's Mass Effect?

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    The REAL Twist is...

    by HB_Dad

    ...Smith's daughter in the movie is killed by his real life daughter "Willow" who then turns the gun on both her dad and brother because they excluded her from this movie!

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by Baryonyx

    DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL was pretty dire, as in dismal (which is a synonym of dire) - which means 'lacking merit' or 'particularly bad'.

  • ... For years! I Robot and I Am legend were dumbed down, bloated with crappy special effects, and totally missed the point of the material they were based on. So people calling others racist on a site dedicated and frequented by passionate movie and book geeks should realize that smith is responsible for some notorious cinematic abominations. The hate is justified. The man is doing cinema any good despite all the money he makes. I love movies with a passion and this man not only churns out crap but crap that could have been awesome... Unless people are defending the respite of I Am Legends ending being changed amongst other horrible changes and alterations. Also everyone is racist at times. Does that make themm bad people or make every action and thought colored by racial hatred. People are not so simple and straight forward and the fact that you seem to think so makes you ignorant as the people you constantly harp on. that said I'm no racist but again nobody is perfect

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    by that you don't mean the 1951 movie directed by Robert Wise, do you?

  • that's the real reason, you stupid will smith fanboy zombies cunts. you can get your race card bullshit and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, assholes!

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by superman76

    who decided being a bigot or racist was necessarily a bad thing? you fucking pussies label someone a racist if they even look at a darkie wrong. racism is practically the new scarlet letter. it's thrown around by self-righteous pricks to completely end any rational conversation about a subject. who gives a shit if someone doesn't like someone for rational or irrational reasons? it's their fucking right. but no one has a "right" to be offended, you pathetic white guilt liberals. would love to meet some of you on the streets and beat the man back into you then take your unsatisfied women from you. i love being racist and the only hate i have is for self-loathing whites. hahahahaha! suckas!

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    im a self loathing white

    by Bobby Brown

    here. hate me.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    i meant "no one has a right to NOT be offended"

    by superman76

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    The word "Epic" is used loosely here, I take it...

    by venvariants

    I mean - really.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by Baryonyx

    The 1951 version of DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, starring Michael Rennie is a classic.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Most definatly. Can't get enough of that movie. And the audio comentary between Robert "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" Wise and Nicholas "Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan" Meyers is great.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST


    by Jeff

    Will Smith and his progeny don't scare me nearly as much as M. Night. I mean, "The Last Airbender," which should've been a cool, not terribly hard to make movie, was one of the worst films in history. Let me repeat: one of the worst films in history. Written and directed and cast by M. Night. Along with the two goddawful films he made before "Airebender," he's proven he's a terrible director. He just is. Yet Will Smith apparently wants to work with him. Wow. I'm all for creative, dramatic, ass-kicking science fiction movies, I really am. I cheer all levels of effort in this burgeoning stratosphere. "Children of Men," "District 9," "Primer," and many, may others. Even Smith's "I Am Legend" entertained and brought quite a bit to the table. But M. Night? The one-trick-pony purveyor of self-important wannabe-ism? Even if someone besides him writes the script, M. Night won't have a clue how to make it work. Please rethink who you want to work with, Will Smith. There are so many directors who could do a fantastic job making this film, why lower yourself to the forgettable garbage of M. Night? I like this film's writers and would love to see it succeed. Ditch M. Night. Before it's too late.

  • Dec. 7, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    totalreality....Will Smith went dark in Six Degrees of Separation

    by Bobo_Vision

    In it he plays a con manwho also happens to be a homo...and he kisses another homo on the lips. What's darker than that?

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    billy_d_williams, The Man Who Heard Voices

    by lv_426

    I pretty much agree with your perspective on that book and how it showed who M. Night is as a filmmaker. I think what truly killed Lady in the Water was Night being in it and playing the author who writes this super important book, but dies a martyr before he can see the book make its impact. I know in the The Man Who Heard Voices, Night said it was an idea that he felt a deep personal connection with, not in the sense that he thought the films he was making were like this imaginary important book in Lady in the Water. But of course, the audiences and critics seeing the film weren't aware of that, and with Night already being known or thought of having a massive ego, the audience took it the wrong way and thought he had some sort of messiah like complex or something by playing that part.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST

    M. Night is the least of a film fan's problems

    by lv_426

    I agree that Night has made some bad decisions with some of his past few films, but at least he still attempts to write his own scripts based around his own ideas and sticks to his guns in terms of his directorial vision. Say what you will about M. Night and his failures, but at least he isn't some cash grab motherfucker remaking The Evil Dead or raping the memory of The Three Stooges with a crass modern day piece of shit with Jersey Shore cameos nonetheless. Seeing and hearing about those two "remakes" shows what is truly wrong with the film industry these days. M. Night Shyamalan directing Will Smith and son in a film pales in comparison to the cultural bankruptcy that is modern day Hollywood.

  • I think you need to hug it out man.

  • Dec. 8, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Screw this, I'll make my own movie with Idris Elba and hookers

    by John Emdall

    failed warrior my ass... I want a kick ass warrior battling fucking killbots and screwing 3 titted whores. i miss 80's SF.