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IGN debuts the full JOHN CARTER trailer unmolested!

Hey folks, Harry here...   I just got finished watching this trailer about a half dozen times.  I'm actually really intrigued.   It is most definitely aesthetically its own thing.  Very curious to see how this JOHN CARTER reimagining will go.   But I'm definitely up for this.   Can't deny it.  Little boy in me is being pretty insistent.  It isn't my instant inclination to introduce the character in that fashion, but getting to really hear the sound... it kinda gives me goosebumps.   Yeah, the scaling feels wrong on the Tharks, but it does seem curious to me now.   I can imagine it working - and I have heard that the film is working for some folks.   Give it a look...  What do you think?


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  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Hi guys, its me again. Xen11

    by Xen11

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Welcome to my show

    by Xen11

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:45 a.m. CST

    did i just hear Led Zeppelin?

    by nolan bautista

    was that the riff from "Kashmir" in the trailer?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Looks fucking terrible

    by georgecauldron

    No sense of plot in trailer means no plot in movie. Stupid CGI, dumb action sequences. FAIL.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST


    by SaluteYourShorts

    It's no SMALLVILLE.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Guess it doesn't matter...

    by SaluteYourShorts

    This talkback should probably be about confirmation that Robin/Dick Grayson (yep, both of 'em) will be in Rises.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Stick with John Connor, not this John Carter asshole.

    by Xen11

  • It's like it's preparing the audience for mediocrity.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:53 a.m. CST

    So lets take questions now.

    by Xen11

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    This movie looks very MEH

    by happybunni

    But that means it could be good. I've learned that amazing trailers usually lead to "o.k." movies.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Why yes, yes I do believe it was.

    by Xen11

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Oh, Lord, not again

    by Clio

    Make it stop, please. This would have looked great, oh, twenty years ago.....the eye candy might have been enough in those days, but now? No way, no how.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Eh, looks like it could be fun...

    by Ryan

    But then I've never read the I'd probably be pissed if I had.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST

    WAY better than the GMA version


    I gotta admit, I was a little meh this morning. But this one...I can't stop watching it. It's amazing the power of editing. This will look great on the big screen

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST


    by victor laszlo

    You are being very generous, and your courteous diplomacy is both impressive and commendable. I can only imagine how difficult that must be, considering how this looks/sounds/feels. This is NOT John Carter of Mars. The title on the poster, entirely accurate, is "Disney John Carter". I only hope they do not get the chance to do this to Gods.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST



    Silly...greenlit well before Avatar was released

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Judging by the talkback interest in John Carter

    by happybunni

    This movie is going to bomb. The only way it can do well is if it's not competing against any other movies, or if it somehow turns out to be fantastic and word of mouth spreads

  • dipshit. Oh and shut the fuck up now. You have used your talks for the year in one topic.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    *is not when the movie IS greenlit

    by pw

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:42 a.m. CST

    A few thoughts...

    by victor laszlo

    Was there not enough to work with in the text that you had to add some bullsh*t Blue Energy, Stanton? Really? Are we trying to merge this with the Avengers down the line or something? Is there a Cowboys & Super 8 tie-in coming? Could you be more generic? Barely a hint of the full-blooded LOVE story that, in the novel, is the engine driving everything Carter does, everything that happens as a result... Suspecting this is because they have made the film about something else. Instead of being the lengths to which he will go for her (the titular Princess of Mars), Stanton & Co seem to be pushing this overdone, boring 'damaged goods' 'reluctant hero' arc onto a character who by his nature acts on righteous impulse. It's plainly written in the synopsis, interviews, and now tagline, that this is what has been done to a character whose defining traits are literally the opposite of reluctant. All I know is that the Tars Tarkas, Jeddak of Thark, I've known all my life could never be confused with a soft-handed woman found on some 'Delgo' hard drive.

  • Everybody Dance Now

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2 a.m. CST

    Wrong xen11


    Stanton jumped on the rights soon after Paramount dropped it & sent Favs to do Iron Man. Stanton & Andrews busted out the script in '08 and began production in early '09. Another point- this is basically a Pixar movie... The only reason it doesnt say so is Pixar can't put it's name on something that is PG13. You have a Pixar version of Star Wars here- you fools should be whistling zipidee-do-da out of your assholes but all you can do is whine 'it looks AOTC..fuck Disney' etc. This is Stanton's baby- not Disney. And most of you idiots probably lined up for those stupid pirates movies anyway. This shit has two Pixar vets and a Pulitzer prize winning author penning the script, but you've already been contented by Lucas and Cameron's lousy rip-offs I suppose.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Nobody left in Hollywood who can cut a trailer?!

    by Dasinfogod

    Jeeezus! Every fuckin' big budget action flick in the last dozen years does the same thing over and over - 30 frames then fade to black to slow beat, speed-up/slow-down beauty pass over a landscape, disconnected snippets to a driving rock beat, then fade to black again and the hero intoning some ponderous bullshit... then more ADD-addled quick cuts and one last fade to black before a money shot of about 18 frames with a loud noise... title card, opening date. Thrillers add one more shock effect after the date card. I was actually kinda looking forward to this flick until now. Cookie-cutter action, a non-charismatic (i.e. budget-savvy) lead, one guest star old-pro actor (Dafoe) collectin' a paycheck, and some super-dodgy CGI ladled on thick. Hell, Bob Clampett's 1936 animated test footage was more alien and engaging than this! Too bad; Stanton's a nice guy, but this one's gonna be a career setback... In and out of the theaters within a fortnight. Disney stock is gonna take a hit, and rightfully so.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Another generic Sci-Fi flick

    by JTMR Films

    We've seen this story a thousand times. And in my opinion in much better looking films. Cheap CG, bad acting and just a badly cut trailer. Though i did love the design work on those ships.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST

    I liked it more when it was called AVATAR.FACT!.

    by KilliK

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST

    John Connor of Mars.Fighting Martian Terminators since 1921.

    by KilliK

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:24 a.m. CST

    I'm with Wonkabar summed up with

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    Pixars version of Star Wars...... Fuckin Aye! that xen11 fella sure is one dopey asshole. Just keep talking fella. At least you amuse me.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST

    I will admit...

    by bubcus

    Within the opening few shots I was cringing with flashbacks from Star Wars 2: Attack of the Clones. Then I had flashbacks of Avatar and a cluster of other CG heavy "epic" movies we've been handed recently. Nothing wins me over in this trailer at all. It felt shallow and bland and rehashed. Maybe another trailer later will win me over and motivate me, but so far, this movie is a "pass" for me.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Shitty Trailer.... Awesome Music.

    by Grando

    Go figure. That ,Led Zep reworking is screaming out for better visuals.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:49 a.m. CST

    That looks fucking awesome.

    by Splinter

    What a depressing place this has become. Tired, cynical, and fucking joyless. That looks epic and incredibly well made. The design and effects are phenomenal. What the fuck is wrong with you children. Seriously.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Wha? Someone already made a remake of The Phantom Menace?

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Dejah Thoris desperately needs to be wearing a thong and nothing more.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones is an abomination

    by chinofjim

    dumb story & terrible script; horrendous acting; inept directing. It makes Phanton Menace look like a decent flick When Harry reviewed it back in the day, he said he loved it, so I guess this meh looking film will be right up his street

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Agree with Splinter

    by Spartacus44

    Man you lot are a tough crowd to please, from the trailer the movie looks well made with some great looking FX. I know nothing of the story of John Carter but I will go see it.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST

    llol Mark Strong plays another bad guy!

    by chien_sale

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Phantom Menace meets New Conan = super-sucky fest

    by chien_sale

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    one day we will have our real John Carter movie

    by chien_sale

    with naked alien chicks!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:07 a.m. CST

    xen11 = skip to next post by legitimate talkbacker

    by DickBallsworth

    That out of the way, why did they decide to drop the "From Mars" from the title again?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:10 a.m. CST

    First time I've liked the look of this

    by melonman

    May be a lot of things wished were different (the bland desert is a hell of a disappointment) but this actually looks a lot of fun. Maybe I'm just a sucker for Led Zep scored trailers.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    dickballsworth: Andrew Stanton pretty much explains it here

    by melonman

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I don't get the hate for this.

    by Laserbrain

    First of all, no-one can call the quality of the action based on a trailer cut out of sequence. Stanton is a strong visual storyteller and I can't see anything that indicates he's lost that here. Second, the comparisons to Attack of the Clones are pretty unfair (and pretty facile - yes, there's an arena - so what). To my eyes the action here looks ten times more dynamic than the stilted staging in the prequels. Who really thought the arena battle in Clones was truly great? And who wouldn't want to see the fumbled potential of that idea expanded upon more excitingly by a director with real chops? Third, although it doesn't look as other-wordly as it could (or arguably should) there is something positive to be said about the use of open-air locations to create a sense of reality of the kind sorely lacking in AOTC. I'll take blue sky over the 100% phony and clean green-screen stage, thanks very much. Fourth, yes, what dialogue there is here sounds pretty clunky but surely not enough to condemn the entire script without seeing it in action. Even Nolan's Bat films are saddled with half-dozen graceless lines each but don't negate the overall effect is of a story, and a saga, well told. And finally, the trailer is cut and scored in that grating, stock standard way but one can't fairly make the same assumptions about the film itself. You judgmental tykes and disgruntled dime-novel aficionados (aka: bitter old farts) can have your hater-thon. I'm staying cautiously optimistic that some of that Pixar magic will rub off on this and we'll get a true return to rip-roaring, serial style pulp thrills of the kind we've not seen since the glory days of Lucas and the 'Berg.

  • And not a Vin sized turd labouring under pretensions of world building.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Andrew Stanton's reply:

    by KilliK

    =It’s about a guy becoming John Carter. So I’m not misrepresenting what this movie is, it’s John Carter.= that doesnt even make sense.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Marketing 101

    by VideoVorlon

    When your movie is based on a classic novel (A Princess of Mars) by one of the most beloved fantasy authors of all time (Edgar Rice Burroughs) ... you really ought to consider mentioning those things in your advertising campaign. Oh, and a little research will probably yield you enough usable quotes from more recent authors and filmmakers about how strongly ERB and this book influenced their work. I'm just saying ...

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Re: Use of "Kashmir"/That Godawful Puss Daddy Rap

    by ArmageddonProductions

    If they wanted REAL cred, and had to use "Kashmir", they should have paid off Jimmy Page and used "Signifying Rapper" by Schoolly D, instead (Google it, unless you're a BAD LIEUTENANT fan and got to see it before the lawsuit). Talk about getting asses into theater seats ...!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *cue voiceover man* First.... he showed you the money. JERRY MAGUIRE. Secondly... he showed you it's never too late to dream. LARRY CROWNE. Now, the trilogy concludes. You WILL believe a white man can jump. JOHN CARTER. Playing to empty theaters this Holiday Season.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by pw

    Good point. I think they missed a trick there in the ad campain.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST

    laserbrain, couldn't have said it better myself

    by pw

    I've been lucky enough to see a lot more footage than is in this trailer and it's fucking epic! Trust.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Finally, Mark Strong plays the villian...


    ...for the first time in 2 months.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST

    The alien CGI is so obvious...

    by Nerd Rage

    He might as well be talking to Roger Rabbit.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST

    It's hillarious how they do everything to avoid the word Mars

    by David Cloverfield

    The jumping around seems cool though.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:12 a.m. CST

    killik, that quote

    by pw

    is in ref to introducing the character to the mainstream, before letting rip with the John Carter we know and love as fans. This is the problem. First time director's (in this case first time live action director) that don't have power in this industry, will have imposed compromises or they don't get to make the film. Oh and for the record, the title change wasn't one of the compromises. This is something Andrew decided to do for the first movie. Here's what he said on the subject. "I've tried really hard to capture what I thought was universal and timeless about this book that is above and beyond the genre itself. I don't want to exclude anybody from a wrong first impression assumption about this movie or this property, so I didn't want to lie and say it isn't what it is, so I said, "Let's sell the character that we put all our efforts towards." Believe me, Mars is going to come into this thing, title and everything, before this whole journey's over. You've just got to be patient. There was a grand design to all this thing."

  • Oh, and does this movie have a plot? Could not tell from the trailer.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:19 a.m. CST


    by javery56

    "The problem is that there is no connection or modicum of emotion anywhere in this trailer or any John Carter trailer. It's just a bunch of CGI dipshits that Carter talks to." Right here mother fuckers. This guy nailed it.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:23 a.m. CST

    The trailer kept showing him painted blue to make it look,like Avatar?

    by Fritzlorrerains

    Haha, how desperate is Disney. This is gonna fail.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    korus, yep Disney aimed for AVATAR... ...but hit 10,000 BC.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:32 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Just like rent-a-bad-guy Mark Strong aimed for Darth Vader... ..but hit that blue-lipped baldie from DUNGEONS & DRAGONS.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST

    As a doubter...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and life-long John Carter fan, I have to say that trailer was pretty cool. I'm now "cautiously intrigued" rather than "sadly skeptical." I still don't like the toned-down colors for a barsoom I imagined where red was red and green was green, but at least the gloomy miasma of the teaser is absent. I like the way all the hardware has a retro-futuristic look and the scope seems epic enough. We'll see, we'll see... As for using rock classics to sell movies like this? FUCK THAT. This would have worked much better utilizing some old, fitting swashbuckling music from another movie(s). You guys calling FAIL on this are really stretching now. Someone really ought to compile a list of the shrillest haters and if a movie is a hit, they should be reminded of their infantile haterism and hounded into oblivion.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST


    by silentbobafett2

    Why can't they realise what they have - or had - a possible new STAR WARS! Make this epic - get a timeless, orchestral score, give people goosebumps - GET THEM IN THE THEATRE! The way Avatar did - but this COULD HAVE BEEN better! But this looks awful! The worst of Star Wars prequels meets Dungeons and Dragons wanting to be Avatar but not understanding the scope of cinema. And I thought Stanton was the man... :-(

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Definitely some kind of AOTC vibe coming off this...

    by Bloodhound

    ... which doesn't bode all that well so far.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:51 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Actually that blue lipped baldie from DUNGEONS & DRAGONS was kinda cool. He certainly gave it all he had. 10 out of 10 for effort.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Pasted in

    by Baryonyx

    For the most part this looks like a well-made cut scene from a computer game with shots of an actor pasted into it.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:40 a.m. CST

    The only way to save it - put it all through a red filter. FACT

    by catlettuce4

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST

    The color blue

    by simongarth2001

    I think that the martians and creatures are blue thats not Avatar blue you see, but blood. and I know this is Disney, but Deja Toris should be THE HOTTEST, most desirable, scantly clad thaing to ever walk. They put WAYYY too much armor and crap on her. Maybe it'll work anyway.....time will tell.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Someone was listening to Led Zep...

    by Uridium

    Someone was listening to some Led Zep while they were writing their 'original' score for this.

  • I had these "friends". I have those "marks" because they didn't really turn out to be my friends (they were retards in the slightly Southern-Hickish Ignorance sense). But they were tolerable than most in this place called the South of the U.S.of A. So they are my ex-friends. They weren't that bad though, I just think they devolved over time or maybe I just got to know them better. We used to go to the movies together, usually on Friday nights to catch the latest new release that we would usually agree on. We see these advertisements for this movie named "Wall-E". It looks like its aimed for little kids. We see the trailer. My "friends" thinks it looks great and hilarious. I fucking hate the trailer. It's moronic, condescending, and caters to the lowest of the low. The trailer is filled with hokey "dum-dum-dumb" music, the kind of shit you see in all these stupid fucking kid movies. A little robot in slapstick humor with annoying cuts that center around him getting hit or falling down. The trailer is so fucking stupid. So its opening night for Wall-E. I don't really care to see it, but my "friends" really want to. I got no disagreement, I'll try any movie, it might not suck too bad. We see the movie. One of the great cinematic experiences of my life. We get out of the movie. I'm gushing how I'm glad we saw it because it may be my favorite movie ever. They didn't like it. "It was depressing." "It was too dark." I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. FUCK YOU IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. The irony: These retards got a trailer made just for them to lure them in there for a movie that's way to heartfelt and intelligent for their feeble fucktard minds. I probably would have never seen Wall-E (one of my favorite films ever) because of its pathetic trailer that catered to retards. My retarded ex-"friends" were the only thing that brought me and Wall-E together. FUCK THESE HORRIBLE CONSTRUCTED-FOR-MORON TRAILERS.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Reimagining a classic?

    by The StarWolf

    Why? It worked for many decades, why screw around with it? Oh well, another I'll be giving a miss to.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Splinter - One man's cynicism ...

    by The StarWolf

    "The power of accurate observation is often referred to as 'cynicism' by those who do not possess it." G. B. Shaw. I've owned and read the novels since high school and this movie ain't them. There's reasons why a lot of people are not thrilled with it. Eye candy? Sure. But there's more to a good film adaptation than that.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by Adam Moore

    As in a lot like Episode II. CGI wankfest all over the place. DO NOT FUCKING WANT! Also, anyone else think John Carter is the latest movie Harry is being paid to promote through the site? I'm bored of the coverage already.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Alien egg in Prometheus?

    by Adam Moore

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:20 a.m. CST

    SPOILERS!!! Entire plot of Man Of Steel!!!!

    by vadakinX

    SPOILERS BEWARE!!! Don't say I didn't warn you! We begin on Krypton. On a battlefield no less. Kryptonian troops try to break the lines of a rebel force that has holed up at a geothermal power plant. Jor-El is there, representing the Science Council. We learn that Kryptonian scientists have recently learned of another world in the galaxy that not only contains life, it contains human life. Having been told Jor-El's yellow sun theory, Zod has set in motion a plan to leave Krypton behind with his followers for this new world, believing Krypton to be weak and corrupt. Jor-El manages to break through the lines and get into the power planet, where Zod is set to overload the station, which draws energy from the planet's core (along with other stations across Krypton). He believes that this will start a chain reaction that will ultimately result in Krypton's destruction. He is confronted by Jor-El who tries to convince him to abandon his crazy scheme but the two end up coming to blows. Zod is the better fighter and knocks Jor-El down and proceed to do what he went there to do. The army breaks through the lines though and manage to get in and stop Zod. As Zod is taken away, Jor-El looks over the readings coming from the planet's core. We then have two scenes intercut with each other that show Jor-El at home with his wife and infant son, looking over core data while General Zod is sentenced to the "living death" of the Phantom Zone as his wife Faora watches from the shadows. The Phantom Zone is more like a wormhole than rotating glass and as Zod is pushed through the portal, his clothes burn away and bursts of energy begin to tear apart his skin. He screams in agony that it's too late and that they will all burn as he will. At the El house, Jor-El comes to a startling realization. Zod wasn't stopped in time. An emergency session of the Science Council is called for the next morning and Jor-El pleads his case, saying that Krypton is doomed and that they have no choice to evacuate the population to the newly discovered Earth. However the Science Council accuse Jor-El of being in collusion with Zod, suggesting that he's trying to carry out Zod's plan of leaving for a primitive world where he can rule as a god. Jor-El is taken away by security forces and placed under house arrest while the Council investigates him for treason. With all communication cut off, Jor-El can't warn anyone what's about to happen and is stuck in his home, awaiting his fate. We works in his lab, trying to find a way to at least save his wife and son and comes across a small deep space probe that he determines could be modified to hold a person - a child. He works day and night to modify the probe, fitting a Phantom Zone Generator that will allow the probe to travel between dimensions to reach the new world on the other side of the galaxy. On the day of Kryptons destruction, seismic activity is rising rapidly. Jor-El puts the final touches on the probe and prepares to send Kal-El into space. At the same time, Faora sneaks into a military base to steal a ship. With people panicking all over Kryptonopolis due to the earthquakes and eruption of the Gold Volcano, Faora is able to go unnoticed and make it to the ship. When she takes off however the ship is fired upon immediately. Faora pilots the ship into the atmosphere and out into space. Meanwhile Jor-El and Lara say goodbye to Kal-El in a heartbreaking moment. Finally the modified probe blasts away from the house and rises through the atmosphere as the planet tears itself apart below. The probe flies into deep space as the planet explodes behind it. Faora's ship is caught in the blast and spins out of control. With the ship damaged, Faora attempts to set a course and then climbs inside a hibernation pod. Meanwhile, the probe activates the Phantom Zone generator and flies straight into the Phantom Zone. It emerges on the otherside, approaching a small blue planet. The new world - Earth. The probe flies into our atmosphere and crash lands in a cornfield. We then look through Kal-El's eyes as the probe opens up and we catch our first glimpse of Martha Kent. Martha pulls Kal-El out of the ship, to the surprise of Jonathan Kent who is standing with his shotgun. He lowers the gun when he sees the child and they stand there looking at the baby and the alien space craft, wondering what the hell they should do. We then jump forward in time, 25 years later. We find ourselves on an oil rig with a bearded Clark Kent. He's coming to the end of his shift when his boss calls him in for a chat. We find out that Clark is going under an assumed name and working undercover. Clark immediately goes into journalist mode, asking questions about working conditions but before the boss can respond there is a loud BOOM and everything starts to shake. The oil rig is on fire. The boss reaches for the radio immediately to call the coast guard and we see Clark trying to help people as everything falls down around them, but he's trying to help without his powers being discovered. Eventually a rescue helicopter approaches but as people try to get to the landing pad, a crane topples over, threatening to crush them all. It never touches them though. The other workers are amazed to find Clark under the crane, lifting it up. The helicopter is able to land and the people are evacuated. Clark pushes the crane off into the sea and when the people turn back to look at him, he's gone. We then jump to the streets of Smallville. Clark walks through town, backpack on his shoulder. He reaches the Kent Farm where he is greeted with hugs from his parents. He's been gone a long time. We learn that he has been traveling the world, covering stories as a freelance journalist. There's a letter from the editor of the Daily Planet in Metropolis waiting for him, offering him a job. Clark leaves for a shower and a shave, using the mirror to bounce his heat vision back on to his face. He goes to his bedroom to get dressed and sees his old glasses on the dresser. He puts them on, checking himself in the mirror and goes back to his parents who are surprised to see him with them, saying he hasn't needed them since he learned to control his supervision. Clark says that they make him feel normal, flawed...human. He doesn't really know what he is. He tells his parents of his travels, of how he tried to help people but that he never seemed to be able to do enough and that he wondered what the point of his powers were if he couldn't save everybody. Jonathan asks if Clark can help out around the farm, maybe go with him into Smallville to pick up supplies, suggesting that it might help him clear his head. On the journey into town, Jonathan and Clark talk about his troubles and Jonathan mentions the ship which has been buried in the barn. Clark has always known it was there but was afraid to go near it, fearful of what he might discover about himself. Their conversation is cut short though as a storm blows through the town and with it, a massive tornado. Clark and Jonathan do their best to gather people up and bring them to the storm shelter in the church. There are still people outside though and Clark goes to try to help them. He exits the church and a gust of wind blows his glasses from his face. We then have a sequence of Clark speeding around Smallville, searching for people, saving people as he finds them. The tornado though is approaching the church. Clark heads straight for the tornado. The streets are now empty. For the first time, we see Clark fly as he takes off and flies right into the heart of the tornado, using powers like his superbreath to blow the tornado out like a flame. When the skies clear, there is a lot of damage but everyone is safe. Jonathan shows his pride in his son who picks up his glasses with a new determination. We go back to the Kent farm and into the barn where Clark digs up the ship. He's not really sure what to do. Martha and Jonathan look on as Clark reaches out to touch the ship. His touch seems to activate something and the ship comes to life. The barn then transforms into Jor-El's lab though only Clark sees it that way. Martha and Jonathan just see a barn. We are treated to a heartbreaking moment where we see Jor-El and Lara deliver their final message to their son. Clark sees his infant self in Lara's arms. They are speaking in Kryptonese but the ship translates the language into English for Clark to hear. When the message is over, Clark is left in tears. He tells Martha and Jonathan of Lara's final words, his purpose for being on Earth - to live and live well. He notices something in the ship and pulls it out. It's Jor-El's Councillor's suit. He looks at the symbol on it. He knows what it means - Hope. He makes his decision. He knows what his purpose will be. Inside the ship, on a small display, the S Shield flickers as a beacon. Somewhere in space, inside the damaged ship, Faora awakens from stasis. She looks at a holographic screen and sees the S symbol. The symbol for hope. There's another Kryptonian out there. On Earth. She now has a direct course to Earth and immediately activates the Phantom Zone generator, setting a course for the blue planet. We find ourselves in Metropolis at the Daily Planet. Perry White is there and he's fuming. Clark Kent is nowhere to be seen. We also get our first look at Lois Lane. She tells Perry that he's getting what he deserves for hiring freelancers. Clark shows up to put Lois in her place, scooping her on a story about a drugs ring operating in Suicide Slums. Lois complains that it was supposed to be her story and Perry reminds her that he assigned her to look into the "Metropolis miracles." Lois tells him she has no time to write stories on angels or UFOs or people being mysteriously saved from certain doom. Perry reminds her that the Daily Planet isn't what it used to be, with declining readership. Lois suggests giving Clark the Metropolis miracle story as he's still new and he probably loves that human interest stuff. Much to Clark's dismay, Perry agrees and Clark is forced to hand over the drug ring story to Lois. It's clear from the very start that Lois and Clark are rivals not friends, at least not to begin with. The smug look on Lois' face disappears however when Perry decides to team them up to cover the new Metropolis-Gotham rail link, being opened the next day. Perry calls it a chance for Lois to show the new guy the ropes, smirking as he says it. Lois is not pleased. We cut to space where we see Faora's ship coming out of the Phantom Zone. It's in our solar system, somewhere near Saturn. It spins through space towards Earth. The next morning, Lois and Clark are at Metropolis Central Station. This is the first time they really have a chance to learn anything about each other, the possible beginnings of a friendship. When the train arrives, it bears the LEXCORP logo on the side. Lois immediately pulls rank and declares that she's going to go on the train for it's first journey while Clark can stay behind to get the views from the people at the station. Clark is left interviewing people about what they think of the new high speed train as Lois takes her seat on the train, managing to bully her way through other people to sit beside the train's designer, Emmet Vale, (future creator of Metallo, for the geeks out there) for an exclusive interview. Things seem to go smoothly at first as the train speeds up to optimum level, but much to the surprise and worry of the engineer, the train starts to move faster, speeding across Metropolis. Back at the station, Clark starts picking up radio chatter about the situation. Something is definitely wrong. He moves away from the crowd and disappears. On the train, the engineer is in panic mode. He can't stop the train. He can't even slow it down. A sudden explosion destroys the track in the distance. We then get the iconic shirt rip as Clark reveals his fathers suit, now his suit, and the big red S underneath. He then leaps out of his clothes revealing the full Superman costume and takes off at speed, chasing the train. His first job is to uncouple as many passenger cars as he can. He flies alongside the train, to the amazement of the people inside, using his heat vision to uncouple the cars. He manages to get a few and as the rest of the train speeds ahead, he flies ahead of the uncoupled cars and reaches out with his hands, using them as a bumper to slow the cars and bring them a stop. He then goes after the front of the train which as reached the gap created by the explosion. The train falls through the gap. Superman is there in a flash, underneath the train to catch it and level it as it reaches the ground. All of Metropolis watches as Superman brings the train to a complete and safe stop. For the first time, Superman has a chance to think and he looks around, floating in the air as people with camera phones get pictures and footage of him. He's revealed to the world now. He uses his x-ray vision to look inside the cars to make sure everybody is OK. Lois emerges and gets a good look at him. There is a moment where Superman thinks she recognises him and Lois wonders herself but she shakes it off. She tries to say something but Superman takes off towards the broken pieces of track. It's pretty damn obvious that this was sabotage. He flies high into the air above Metropolis and listens. At first we hear a thousand voices all speaking at once but he filters through them until he finds the voices of the perpetrators. On a rooftop looking over the crash site, the thugs responsible shuffle into a helicopter and take off, looking to make a hasty retreat. It isn't long before Superman is hot on their tails. One of the thugs fires with an automatic rifle from the helicopter. The bullets just bounce off Superman and he keeps coming. One of the bullets though just misses and flies past him. Superman registers this immediately, stops and turns. He flies after the bullet and passes it by just before it can hit a woman on the street below. He catches the bullet, gives the woman a reassuring smile and takes off after the helicopter again. We have now seen that he is both faster than a speeding bullet and more powerful than a locomotive. Superman flies after the helicopter, getting in front of it and matching speed. Without even flinching, he sends his fist up through the spinning blades shattering them. The helicopter begins to fall out of the sky. Superman of course manages to capture it and bring it to rest in front of waiting police officers who are there to manage the train crash. Superman opens the door and uses his heat vision to melt the guns into metal. Superman tells the cops that they are responsible for the train derailment and takes off before they can respond with both cops and thugs in stunned silence. Back at the train station, a janitor spots a set of clothes and a pair of glasses on the ground. He looks around, wondering who could have left them there. Shrugging, he goes to pick them up but a red and blue blur flies past and the clothes are gone in an instant. At the derailment site, Lois is on the phone to Perry while getting fidgety as the paramedics try to look her over. She promises to get back to the Planet to write up her account of the events straight away and as she hangs up the phone she spots Clark approaching, severely out of breath, saying he ran across town. She comments that it looks like she's going to be writing the Metropolis miracle story after all, much to Clark's frustration. Once again there is a moment where Clark fears that Lois might recognise him but he's in the clear. We then find ourselves at a meeting of top military officials, including Lois' father, General Sam Lane, discussing the appearance of the apparent savior as options are put on the table about developing military strategies to counter a potential threat. Later than night, Clark is in his apartment talking to his parents on the phone with the tv on in the background, showing footage of the events earlier in the day but also other events around the world. It seems Clark has been busy. His parents talk about how proud they are of him and ask about him being recognised. In space, Faora's ship passes the moon and she can now see Earth in the distance. It's the next morning and we are greeted to the front page of the Daily Planet - SAVED BY A SUPERMAN! Clark questions the name Lois has given the mysterious hero but Lois points out the big red S on his chest. When Clark asks how they know it's an S, Perry chimes in asking what else it could be, and Clark drops the subject immediately, afraid of blowing his cover. Lois comments that the people responsible were from a criminal outfit called Intergang. Perry tells Clark to get out on the street and get some reaction from the public. Faora's ship approaches Earth, severely damaged. It tumbles through the atmosphere, threatening to burn up as Faora tries to maintain control. She just about manages to level it off in time to crash on the outskirts of Smallville. She takes a small tracking device with her as she staggers out of the ship. She feels the yellow sun on her skin for the first time and spends a few seconds taking it in. The cuts on her face and arms from the crash begin to heal. Feeling her strength returning, she looks at the tracker, finding the direction she needs to go in and starts walking. She walks through Smallville, her alien clothes drawing strange looks. She doesn't care. She's focused on her mission. In Metropolis Superman flies overhead, drawing awed looks from the people below. He hears a woman screaming for help and reacts immediately, descending into an alley to confront an attacker. Back in Smallville, police and local news outlets have arrived at the crash site. As Faora continues through town she's confronted by a cop. When the cop asks for ID she moves faster than she thought she could, knocking the cop backwards into a parked van. Amazed at her newfound strength, she glances at a nearby car. She picks it up without breaking a sweat and tosses it into a building. She starts to run, picking up tremendous speed and before she knows it she's at the Kent Farm. Inside, Jonathan and Martha watch the events on the local news. Martha rushes to the phone to call Clark. Jonathan spots someone outside and gets his shotgun. He goes outside and sees Faora. He asks what she's doing there. She says something to him in Kryptonese. He doesn't understand. She spots the gun and her eyes start to burn. Jonathan recognises what's about to happen and fires. The bullet bounces off her. Then a blast of heat vision destroys the gun and burns Jonathan badly. Martha rushes out to her husband. Faora glares at them then walks towards the barn. Martha has the phone in her hands. She starts dialling Clark. In the barn, Faora uncovers the ship. She opens up and reaches inside to a control panel. After inputting a commands she stands back and watches as a bright light envelops the barn and the Phantom Zone generator activates, creating a portal inside the barn. She waits as General Zod slowly climbs out, his body scarred and burned. She speaks to him in Kryptonese, telling him that the yellow sun will heal him and make him strong. She glances outside and sees Martha holding Jonathan while on the phone. She doesn't understand what's being said. She goes back to the ship and activates the database stored inside, effectively downloading Earth's languages into her mind and the mind of Zod. In Metropolis, Clark is back in his normal clothes. His phone is ringing. He answers. His mother is frantic, talking about Jonathan being hurt. Even as he listens to his mother, his ears pick up the sound of a TV news program talking about aliens. His x ray vision penetrates a building, seeing through to a TV store on the other side where he sees images of the ship in Smallville. He has to get back and fast. At the Kent farm, Faora helps Zod out into the sun. She's heard the conversation and understands the words. She thinks nothing of it but Zod reminds her of the ship. Another Kryptonian on Earth. Faora carries Zod out of the farm, leaving the Kents behind and speeds away, back to her own ship. The police are there. Faora swats them aside like flies and brings Zod into the ship. His wounds are healing but he doesn't have his full strength. Faora shows him a BATTLE SUIT stored inside the ship. Superman arrives at the farm and sees that Jonathan is severely wounded. He says he's going to take Jonathan to the hospital but Jonathan tells him to go after the Kryptonians and stop them from hurting anyone else. It's a tough decision for Clark but Jonathan reassures him. Superman flies off at speed to the crash site. What follows is a battle that begins with Superman vs Faora. She speaks Kryptonese to him but he doesn't seem to understand. So she speaks English, asking who he is. When it's clear that he is not her ally she attacks him and they engage in battle. The military is also rolling into Smallville. As the battle rages on the street, Zod emerges from the ship in his battle suit and joins the battle. Superman is stronger than both of them at this point and manages to break through the battle armor. At the same time, the small military force is attacking the aliens and Superman ends up having to protect them. With Zod's battle suit destroyed, he removes it and takes Superman on hand to hand. But he isn't strong enough yet and Superman is clearly winning the battle. Seeing how much Superman seems to care about protecting civilians she causes a fire with her heat vision that threatens to rage through the town. With Superman distracted, she grabs Zod and takes off. Zod tells her to destroy the ship as they fly over the crash site. By the time Superman is done dealing with the fire, the other Kryptonians are gone. Superman rushes back to the farm. Martha is in tears. Jonathan is clearly dying. Superman doesn't know what to do but Jonathan tells him its alright and that he's proud of the man he's become. He then passes away in the arms of his wife and son. General Lane appears at the crash site which has now been secured by the military. The ship is now nothing but debris. Lane orders that the pieces be gathered up for study so that they might know their enemy. Later on, we find Zod and Faora hiding in the mountains. Zod is getting his full strength back. He notices that Faora may be as powerful as he is and feels threatened by it. Lois Lane arrives in Smallville the next morning. She first goes to the crash site, hoping to get some information from her father but he turns her away though not before suggesting that Superman may have been the vanguard for an invasion. Lois defends Superman, stating that he was fighting the aliens and protecting the people. Then she visits the Kent farm where Clark and Martha are grieving. She introduces herself to Martha and offers her condolences, asking Clark why the alien would be there. Clark responds that the aliens didn't care who they hurt, doing his best not to reveal the whole truth. Martha offers to let Lois stay at the house while she's in town. Clark busies himself working on the farm as Lois tries to comfort him and their friendship blossoms for the first time. In the mountains, Zod pours over information gathered about Superman. Not wanting a rival for the world he decides it's better to take care of Superman sooner rather than later and will go to Metropolis, where Superman has been active the most and draw him out. He's also beginning to see Faora as a rival an even though she's his wife, he blames her for him being trapped in the Phantom Zone for so long and kills her without hesitation. He will have no rivals. Lois reluctantly says she has to go back to Metropolis but she will stay for the funeral if Clark needs her to. Clark tells her its alright and that he'll see her in a few days. Lois leaves and Clark and Martha prepare for the funeral. In the mountains, Zod is busy preparing himself, mastering his new abilities. General Lane has gone to Metropolis to set up base, knowing that this is where he's most likely to encounter Superman and perhaps the other aliens as well. Martha, Clark and others from Smallville attend the funerals of Jonathan and others killed in the alien attack. When the funeral is over there is a small wake at the Kent farm. In Metropolis, Zod makes his appearance, flying into the city and announcing himself by picking off a few cars with his heat vision. Then he waits. The military is mobilized immediately and at the farm, Clark sees the broadcast of the events on TV. He springs into action immediately, making excuses before disappearing out the backdoor. He's in the sky, speeding towards Metropolis. A full scale military assault on Zod is taking place in Metropolis. From tanks to fighter jets, the streets of Metropolis have become a war zone. Lois is of course right in the middle of it. She spots a young photographer, barely out of school, who like her isn't running away like the rest of the people. She asks who he's working for and he says nobody. He just thinks he can get some cool shots. Lois offers him a job which he accepts on the spot. He introduces himself as Jimmy Olsen but Lois is too preoccupied to care. She drags Jimmy into the heart of the battlefield as the military fire countless rounds of activity at Zod who doesn't even flinch and retaliates with devastating force. Superman arrives on the scene to save the military personnel from annihilation and then confronts Zod. At the command center, General Lane gives orders to fire on both aliens. Zod and Superman have a brief conversation. Zod recognises him as Kal-El, who he once held in his arms as an infant. Superman knows very little about Zod but he knows enough to declare that the General destroyed Krypton, something Zod seems proud of. Their fight is epic. Kryptonian against Kryptonian on the streets and in the skies of Metropolis. While Superman has the experience with the powers, Zod has the advantage in combat training. They appear well matched. Even as they fight, the military continues to fire on both of them. Seeing this, Lois rushes to the command center, leaving Jimmy to get some great shots of the battle. Lois manages to get in to see her father, trying to convince him that Superman is on their side and to give him a chance to stop Zod. General Lane eventually relents and puts his faith in Superman. The battle continues but Zod is now exploiting Superman's clear witness, targeting civilians to distract him. Superman knows he has to get the battle away from the city and has to deal with Zod once and for all. So he flies into the air and blasts away from Metropolis with Zod in hot pursuit. They continue their fight as they fly west towards Kansas, back to Smallville, eventually reaching the Kent farm. Troops left behind at the crash site spot them flying by but the two are gone before anything can be done. Superman gets to the farm first. The wake is over and it's just Martha. Superman tells her to get away quickly. When Zod arrives there's nobody in sight. He threatens to burn the whole place down and then uses his x-ray vision to scan the area. He spots Superman in the barn and rips the door off. Superman rushes to the small probe that brought him to Earth and activates the Phantom Zone generator. Realizing what Superman has in mind, Zod rushes him. It's a battle of wills as the portal to the Phantom Zone opens, threatening to pull them both in. Zod seems to have the upper hand at first but Superman eventually overpowers him and throws him into the Phantom Zone. Exhausted, Superman rushes to the ship and turns off the generator. He then falls to his knees, unsure of what to do. Time passes and Martha appears at the barn. Superman tells her it's alright. That it's over. Martha hugs her son and Clark tells her to stand back, that he's going to destroy the ship. Martha though says that it's the only thing he has with any kind of record of where he came from. So Superman decides to put it somewhere it will never be found, mentioning a place he found in the Arctic. A few days later, General Lane sits in his office. He has some of the debris from the crashed ship on the table and he's talking about it on the phone. He says there's not much left. Bits of metal and some pieces of green rock fused into it. We see the person on the other end of the call asking for General Lane to send it over to him. It's none other than Lex Luthor, sitting in his office over looking Metropolis. Metropolis is slowly getting back on its feet. The clean up of the battlezone has started. Clark arrives and is immediately confronted by Jimmy Olsen who introduces himself enthusiastically as a new staff photographer. Perry offers his condolences for the death of his father and Lois asks if he's OK. He replies in the affirmative and is ready to get to work. He then asks if there's been any word from Superman. Lois replies that it seems both Superman and Zod have just disappeared. The military is still on high alert but it seems the public have taken to Superman as their hero and protector. Lois just wishes he would show himself. Frustrated, she decides to go up onto the roof to get some air. Lois stands on the rooftop, looking across Metropolis. She turns and is startled to see Superman hovering in front of her. He tells her that Zod is back where he belongs and hands her a letter, addressed to the people of Metropolis and the world, informing her that he wants people to trust him and the letter will explain everything they need to know about him. He prepares to fly off and Lois calls him Kal-El, having heard it during the battle. Superman smiles and says she can call him Superman. It seems to have caught on. He then points out that he does have a big red S on his chest after all, echoing Lois' words to Clark, which makes her think for a moment. She asks what the symbol actually means and he tells her that it means hope. Lois can't help but smile and she watches as Superman flies off. We follow him over Metropolis as the people below watch in wonder. He picks up the sound of someone in trouble, turns in the air and flies to where he's needed. Credits.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:23 a.m. CST

    victor laszlo ...

    by skellngtn

    because the brooding 1st trailer and now this action filled one are pissing off the 12 year olds on this site, one playing up the LOVE story angle would thrill them?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Poor mans AVATAR

    by mastes360

    Thats what this looks like, even down to the 'hero speech'. The effects look terrible compared to AVATAR though and whats with the lame 'Attack of the Clones' arena scene?. Just awful.

  • This trailer looks like any other sci-fi trailer. There's no way of telling whether or not this will be good, because people who cut trailers only include specific kinds of shots and blurbs. I am leaning toward John Carter being a great film because Andrew Stanton is behind it and Pixar has had a lot of say in the development. Who knows though, I thought Avatar was a blast the first time I watched it and couldn't stop laughing at the dialogue the second time. I haven't given it a 3rd time because I hated it so much the second time.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:35 a.m. CST

    You all suck

    by hspahr

    I don't even know why I read the comments here anymore. "Oh, this will suck." "This was changed so now the movie will suck." I go to every movie hoping for greatness. I love movies and will go to see absolute shit just hoping for something awesome. Of course, I'll go see this. Damn, I even hope that godawful looking New Year's Day movie turns out to be Oscar caliber. Besides, what are you really expecting from this? I read a ton of Edgar Rice Burroughs books when I was growing up and even then thought that he was an enjoyable hack. He didn't exactly write award winning fiction - matter of fact, some of his books are absolutely painful to read.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST

    hspahr, I'm with you!

    by beastie

    How can someone actually root for a movie to suck. I want them all to be good because it's just that much more stuff that I enjoy.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I'm surprised nobody has suggested...

    by kells

    ...that this would have been better if Paul Verhoeven had directed it. See, THATS the kind of commentary I expect from an AICN forum.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Crikey..No mention of Harry's own version he wrote..

    by Justin Atkinson

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:53 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    * I love movies and will go to see absolute shit just hoping for something awesome.* hspahr, are you very slightly simple? I can picture you in the front row with a vacant Forrest Gump grin as you chew your popcorn. Movies are like a box of choc-o-lates, yur never know what yur gonna git.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Cheesy dialogue, cheesy acting CGI-fest. No thanks.

    by ninpobugei

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Cant freakin wait-Thank you Andrew !

    by auralenz

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by hspahr

    Nope, not simple, just a lover of film. FYI - I didn't like Forrest Gump when I saw it on a double bill with Angels In the Outfield (!) but my wife thought it was great. After rewatching it a couple of times, I'm still ambivalent. Only movie I've ever walked out of: The rerelease of Fantasia in the 80's. Ugh, that movie is boring. I know it's groundbreaking, etc., but wow. Worst movie I ever saw in a theater: Shadow Play (1986) because my friends and I had seen EVERYTHING else playing. Best movie moments ever: The Sound of Music, Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory, Aliens, The Matrix, Inception. Special thanks to the LOTR trilogy but I had to listen to my (very) young kids at the time complain about how boring it was.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:09 a.m. CST

    It should have been colorful and sexy and swashbuckling.

    by Gabe Athouse

    It is, perversely, none of those things. I'll stick with my memories of Barsoom.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Wonder why Matai Shang with the Warhoons though

    by auralenz

    Curious how the events from the first 3 books being melded. Cant wait for the opening of the 2nd film with the Valley Dor scenes, and the other princesses Phaidor and Thuvia. Man you haters all suck.(Fact) After this does well, and Hollywood opens up Pellucidar, Venus, Caprona, etc.. they might finally see adapting someone other than Philip K Dick. (Blade Runner excluded) Twitter me if you can get premiere tix! Especially you, Lynn Collins..

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    You know what REALLY sucks?

    by TheMovieLover

    Not the trailer, not the tone, not anything about it.... What sucks is that there is an entire generation of people, myself included, who will think of Godzilla and Puff Daddy when hearing that song. Uh huh, yeah! Come with me! uh huh, yeah!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Haters be damned.

    by NubtheSquirrel

    I agree with those who are saying this looks good. It looks like a fun time. Andrew Stanton has yet to disappoint with any of this movies, animated or otherwise so I am willing to give him a chance on this one. You cynical haters can bitch all you want about the fact that you have "seen this before" but you know what? This story, the one that this movie is based on, has had so many elements borrowed from it, or ripped off, that no fucking shit you have seen it before. I for one am looking forward to seeing the flick.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    I'm Not a Hater. Love Andrew Stanton.


    I have no interest in this.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    "Little boy in me is being pretty insistent."

    by rbatty024

    My god, Harry has eaten a small child.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Avatar Prince of Mars: Attack of the Clones

    by MamboMan

  • mars has a 1/3rd gravilty pull of earth. why are hey using themes from The Last Temptation Of Christ in this trailer?

  • It figures.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Native American Indian

    by KilliK

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by xphyle

    i have no idea if that is real or not. but i would see that superman movie DAY 1 MIDNIGHT 3D IMAX for 19.00 (thats how much those tix are here in Cleveland)if its a fake well done...if its not then kudos to whoever wrote it because it appears they are getting it right much like TDK.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Seen it all before..pass

    by alienindisguise

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:41 a.m. CST

    I liked it better when it was called Avatar.FACT.

    by KilliK

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:42 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    hspahr, cheers for the response. I understand that people don't like too much cynicism based on a trailer alone. But you seemed to be making a case for having no discernment at all. However this is aicn and is a place for polarized views, name calling and bitching - when a film doesn't look too good. It's also a place for celebration, tub thumping and shouting I CANNOT WAIT - when a film on the horizon does look like a real winner. There's not a lot of middle ground here and if you want shades of grey then read boring old newspaper previews of movies not aicn. However there ARE plenty of real movie lovers here, and the passion manifests in both positive and negative forms. Sadly JOHN CARTER looks like shite so it happens to be getting both barrels of negativity! However go read a thread on PROMETHEUS or a set report from THE HOBBIT and you'll see a lot of excited people.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    I'd Rather Watch Vince Carter of Toronto

    by Aquatarkusman

    Back when he was the second coming of the Human Highlight Reel, throwing down sick dunks over CGI teeth-monsters.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    =reminds me of the worst J. Cameron movie to date=

    by KilliK

    haters gonna hate.FACT.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST

    The only thing that makes me nervous

    by TheNothing

    is that Harry enjoyed the trailer. I can't trust anyone who didn't like The Muppets.

  • And that includes James Cameron.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Okay, I'm going to have to say it...

    by Deviant Apex

    The film actually doesn't look that bad. The only reason for all of the negative criticism is the simple fact we've seen most of this stuff before. However, it is ironic that although "John Carter of Mars" was the source material for many sf films (including AotC and Avatar), most think it's a generic rip of those movies just because this film is following those. It's not John Carter's fault for not getting greenlit until the success of Avatar. All I'm saying is I think we should give this film a chance. Even though most of us have already seen much of the same in other films, we should at least appreciate it for what it is...

  • 1. Why its stupid to leave "MARS" out of the title, and why it might be a smart business move. 2. This looks 100% CGI and is therefore stupid. 3. This looks like Attack of the Clones and AVATAR and is therefore stupid. 4. MARS' sky isn't blue, and this is therefore stupid. 5. MARS looks like the American west, where the main character comes from, so this is therefore stupid. 6. Harry is too close to the source material and will definitely give this a bad review when it comes out. Did I miss any?

  • My only concern is the choice of director, Snyders great with visuals but story telling? SuckerPunch was ass, Watchmen was dull, but to be fair it was a bad decision to try and film it in the 1st place, 300 looked good but again the story was as camp as christmas with Elton John. I hope we get the kick ass Superman movie we've been waiting for, Supe's started it all & he needs to be up there with The Dark Knight. Maybe then we'll get the ultimate dream match up movie we've been waiting for. There is a tiny rumour that a certain Gotham Billionaire makes a cameo appearance as a rival to Luthor, hope so. John Carter? Looks like a 100 other Avatarlite clones, wont bomb GL style but wont go big either, looks a 'meh' watch it on cable sometime movie to me. Roll on TDKR, and roll on TMOS!!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, forgot to add one more thing

    by D.Vader

    Most every complaint here (looks derivative, too much CGI, "THIS WILL BOMB") sounds like the same premature talk we all heard before AVATAR was released. And we all know how that turned out.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    'I just got finished.'

    by Marco Polo

    'I'll have an 'o' for awesome.' -David Tua, Wheel of Fortune (NZ).

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    You all are entitled to your opinions...

    by Dollar Bird

    but I'm looking forward to this. I've liked Stanton's work and I love ERB's stuff, so who could I not be a tiny bit enthusiastic. Even if this is as good as, say, "Tron: Legacy" (which I thought was flawed but ultimately fine) I'll be happy with it. Maybe I'm so jaded by so much crap that I don't expect anything to be really amazing anymore. And seriously, I don't know why so many of you are bitching about how far the look of the film seems to have strayed from the book. Of course, everyone would love to see something exactly like the images in your head as you read the book, with totally nude EVERYONE (guys, too) and the moss that covers Mars and, oh yeah: the color that cannot be described coming from the atmosphere factory worker's thing-a-ma-bob. But, this is a movie, a product of a corporation, and so the original source material must be altered. (Now, I know, there's altering for the better, and altering to make things worse, but I don't think any of the changes they've made to the book are going to really hurt anyone's feelings. Well, maybe a few folks here, but they don't have to see the movie. I know I don't go to movies I just don't think I'll like, no matter how much people rave about them to me. I still haven't seen "Avatar". I just have no desire.)

  • So I'll repost: - "Stanton jumped on the rights soon after Paramount dropped it & sent Favs to do Iron Man. Stanton & Andrews busted out the script in '08 and began production in early '09. Another point- this is basically a Pixar movie... The only reason it doesnt say so is Pixar can't put it's name on something that is PG13. You have a Pixar version of Star Wars here- you fools should be whistling zipidee-do-da out of your assholes but all you can do is whine 'it looks AOTC..fuck Disney' etc. This is Stanton's baby- not Disney. And most of you idiots probably lined up for those stupid pirates movies anyway. This shit has two Pixar vets and a Pulitzer prize winning author penning the script, but you've already been contented by Lucas and Cameron's lousy rip-offs I suppose."

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Wonky FX

    by Mace Tofu

    Re: Why FX looks 10 years old still today? Most labor is farmed out to low cost overseas FX studios and the time and money is not spent making things 100% perfect. Even in the greatest FX shot if one little thing is off people will notice (If people like the movie they won't notice/care about bad FX for some strange reason lol). As to the FX in this trailer I never base my view on just a compressed web video version. I would love to have seen a John Milius R rated verson of this story : )

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    more hopeful--or less hopeless

    by Adam13

    That does seem more promising. Not convinced on Kitsch, but it does seem to hold the promise of a epic-scale entertainment, a la Avatar (since that seems to be our point of comparison). Always hard to really judge from a trailer, as they are essentially ass-in-seat tools for studios. But it's starting to look fun, at least.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    What a bunch of pahetic whiney fanboys.

    by Thall_Joben

    I could easily nitpic about how this differs form the ERB I imagined - but I won't. I'll just look at this like a grown up and accept it for what it is. I apreciate the spectacle and obvious effort put into this version. Looks like a whole lot of fun to me kidies, so why don't you stop crying and celebrate that somenone is acomplishing a lot more than you have. Stop bitching about someones efforts and go create something instead.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Dejah in her white dress, showing some leg...

    by D.Vader

    That's hot.

  • ... then why can't we get one in 2012 depicting a scantily-clad "slave girl" looking chick?? The source material demanded this. They failed to deliver even that one basic depiction. I'm being serious.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I feel sorry for all these poor dumb bastards

    by JestaFool

    that have never known anything but CGI. Give us some PRACTICAL F/X for fucks sake!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    I actually think the first teaser was better

    by D.Vader

    But that's because of its tone, the mood it evoked, and the song My Body is a Cage" is totally apt for the story. But this one is pretty good too at selling the alien world and the action.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    John Carter footage unmolested. I wish I could say the same.

    by AzulTool

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST

    D. Vader: “and we all know how that turned out"

    by frank

    It sucked?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Although Avatar did have practically naked chicks,

    by frank

    albeit CG alien ones. This movie should take note.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    In the minority opinion, probably, Franks TV

    by D.Vader

    I was speaking more about how it lit the box office on fire and drew millions of fans worldwide. That pretty much shut up all the talkbackers complaining about how it would bomb and be terrible and yadda yadda yadda. The only thing that group was right about was their subjective response to it.

  • "It's not Puff's Led Zeppelin" and then he said "I didn't know Led Zeppelin was still together and they did a Puff Daddy song??" ALSO FACT!!! KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Teaser tone

    by Adam13

    I guess maybe I've given up on getting the broader tone and feel I was imagining (and do we ever get our idiosyncratic visions realized when beloved classics are adapted?). It is starting to look more like good fun, though, which is mucho cool too.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10 a.m. CST


    by Adam13

    I just grew very, very sad. sad fact.

  • ...While whipping blades and shit around in midair. It's the next "cool guys don't look at explosions" or landing in a deep crouch from a great height, with all inertia fully cancelled on landing.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Also, the near complete absence of the most beloved tittays in genre SF

    by BurnHollywood

    We can always hope for a Druuna movie...

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by marineboy

    Pencil-dicked Disney execs :(

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Here's a good shot of our Dejah Thoris

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    My favorite Dejah Thoris costume from this trailer:

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST

    PS: That first shot has some sideboob

    by D.Vader

    I figure saying that will get more people to pay attention.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    This looks AMAZING. Plain and simple.

    by A_Friend

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Burnhollywood is right on the money...

    by KnowItAllFromCali

    Couldn't have said it better myself. For my ten bucks, I want more than an effects reel.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    @a_friend : It looks amazing...if you're 9 :)

    by marineboy

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Disney's "Prince of Persia on Mars"

    by bobarhett

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Haven't read these before, can someone tell me...

    by Kelly Grimes

    Are the books Star Wars feeling wank? Trying to make an ancient looking, completely foreign world/race then scoring it alongside one of the most recognizable songs by one of the most recognizable bands of all time... I do not understand marketing. I don't even care about the red sky shit. But this--this somehow offends me. I guess this movie isn't being promoted in my direction though.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I'v changed my mind. It does look a bit epic.

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Sorry, haters, I liked it.

    by menacingphantom

    I think it still has potential. It's a bit like the haters on Star Trek. What original series were you folks who complain about ridiculous time travel stupidity watching? That describes like 30% of the episodes. Likewise I love almost all of the original Mars books, but that's in spite of the lazily repeated plot devices and interchangeable characters. Get captured, face death, escape, repeat. "Sleeping silks and furs" on about every page, etc. The first three books are a pretty strong allegorical diatribe against organized religion. That's the main thing I'm hoping they don't lose if they get to make the first three. Anyway, yeah, this could still suck if they go too generic with it and lose the unique atmosphere of the books, but I still have an open mind.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by judge dredds fresh undies

    thats what someone posted earlier and thats exactly how it looks to me. Hope the film as a whole works.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Estrogen fueled version of ERB

    by BranMakMorn

    Removed any of the edge that other versions had and made Jar Jar guys with teeth. This is what happens when the EC /Frazetta influence is removed.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Arent trailers supposed to tell you the overall plot of the movie?

    by sunwukong86

    All I could figure out is that John Carter is from earth and he's supposed to fight aliens. The average movie goer is going to be clueless

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    John Carter of Arizona?

    by shane peterson

    or Geonosis or a dozen other things before I think of Mars.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by Johnny Wishbone

    I half expected Yoda to turn up and say "Around the survivors a perimeter create." And how many more times will we have to suffer another butchered version of "Kashmir"?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by WASPFAN

    Opinions are Like Assholes -- everyone's got one...

  • ...

  • Not the best recipe for drawing in the AVATAR crowds.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I respect Andrew Stanton...

    by zinc_chameleon

    for 'Wall-E'; but why oh why does he not respect Frank Frazetta? A true-to-Frazetta art film, without 3d, and minimal CGI (and I'm a computer nerd saying that), mostly practical effects, would have been what the public that knows the books would have wanted. Could have been done for the same money as '300'. Nope, this movie is going to tank; sorry.

  • Yeah, must be them.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    zinc_chamelon, practical effects for the same budget as 300?

    by D.Vader

    You are aware that the majority of 300 was made with computer effects, not practical, *right*?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Wall-E was not that great of a film.

    by Michael Lunney

    It was OK, nothing special...

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST


    by NoMotivatioN

    What the fuck is wrong with all of you!? Living hell you got to be kidding me? How did you not like this trailer!! Or the first one to that matter. Movie is gonna be something special. A true Sci Fi epic. Looks fucking sweet my friends. Your an idoit if you cant see what the story is about. Stop askin hollywood to lay it all out for you and just ENJOY THE FUCKIN MOVIE WHEN IT COMES OUT plus, get the books. MI4, John Carter, alll right pixar guys. Its gonna be fun time at the movies. I bet you 600 nerd coins that this will be a great movie. Ya geeks man, every time I think ohhh I got to see what the nerds have to say cause they have to love this right? Then booom, your shiting all over it like some jocks raping a kid in the shower. daaaamn you aint it cool news!!!! why dont they like this :?( Fuck its still fun to read yall comments thou. Born Comedians here.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST

    WALL-E is brilliant science fiction

    by D.Vader

    Whether you'd like to acknowledge that or not. Now whether you find it interesting or not, that's a different story, just as 2001 is considered brilliant but many are bored by it. Either way, WALL-E most definitely *is* that great of a film.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Trailer looks interesting

    by Michael Lunney

    But no directorial flair - just FX stuff - could be a lot worse. Maybe they should retitle it John Carter of Earth.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    The whole look of that trailer is PG and 'safe' like its target audience is 12 year old girls. And yes the CG fx in this case do look awfully generic. APOCALYPTO shot on location and created an incredibly immersive 'other worldly' environment. Fuck, even ENEMY MINE which filmed on the lava fields in the Canary Islands seemed like a different planet. Why they've spunked all these $ millions on recreating Mars as a CG Arizona is beyond me. I'm sorry but I also believe this film is going to tank.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Here's DEN of GEEK's response to 20 minutes they were shown

    by D.Vader

    Worth a read: "The opening scene of Disney’s preview provides the first surprise. Beginning with what we were earlier told was a sequence from near John Carter’s opening, it introduces Taylor Kitsch as Carter, a veteran of the US Civil War who’s fallen into the hands of the dastardly Colonel Powell, played by the reliably brilliant Bryan Cranston. What’s established here is just how gritty and raw its depiction of 19th century America is – Kitsch looks grizzled and exhausted as Carter, though that’s due in part because Powell’s had his soldiers tie him to a chair. Then comes a second surprise: the film looks unvarnished and unromanticised, but it’s still full of humour. Powell’s monologue is constantly interrupted by Carter’s escape attempts, which are edited with amusing brutality. This sequence is relatively brief, but serves an important purpose, depicting Carter as a man at his lowest ebb; scruffy, beaten and broke after a traumatic wartime experience. Next, we’re swept along to a sequence later on in the film, where Carter’s been transported to Mars. There, he discovers that the planet’s gravity allows him to jump extraordinary heights and distances – something that immediately attracts the locals, the fierce Thark tribe. After a brief struggle, Carter meets Thark warrior Tars Tarkas, played by Willem Defoe and unrecognisable beneath a layer of digital paint. Unlike the graceful, slender tribes of Avatar, the four-armed Green Martians of John Carter are big, ugly and ungainly. Their skin is green and slippery like avocado dip, their faces punctuated by a pair of jutting, tusk-like appendages. Their designs carry echoes of those seen in old John Carter Marvel comics, while at the same time possessing a style that is unmistakeably reminiscent of Pixar’s other work. This is particularly evident in the scene where Carter encounters a nest of baby Martians. Cute, huddled and goblin-like, they’re a genuinely captivating creation. So too is Woola, a dog-like creature that quickly becomes Carter’s most loyal friend; a brief scene where Woola constantly heads Carter off as he tries to escape a Martian stronghold, his tongue lolling, apparently thinking he’s playing hide and seek, is both faithful to the book and brought to life in a manner that is unmistakeably Stanton’s. The preview’s stand out sequence, though, saw Carter take on an entire horde of Green Martians in a spectacular sword fight that will have fans of pulp epics like Conan tittering with glee. It’s brilliant not just because the bodies pile up and the blue blood flows in great geysers across the screen, but also because Stanton chooses to intercut the fight with a tragic event from Carter’s past. Even taken in isolation from the finished film, it’s a resonant, exciting scene that hints at a great live-action director at work. A final sequence, which sees Carter attempt to fight a gigantic White Ape, doesn’t quite have the impact previous scene, perhaps because it’s faintly reminiscent of a similar moment in Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones. Nevertheless, the White Ape it introduces is an engagingly monstrous creation, and again uncannily similar to the behemoth from Burroughs’ original books. What’s notable about the preview as a whole is that John Carter’s version of Mars is so different from previous big-screen interpretations. The blazing red ochres of Total Recall or Mission To Mars are entirely absent: Stanton’s Mars (or Barsoom, as it’s known to its residents) is a dustbowl of declining civilisations and crumbling, majestic architecture looming out of the sand. There are, of course, numerous things we didn’t see in the 20-minute preview. Martian princess Dejah Thoris (a tanned Lynn Collins) is seen only briefly, and we weren’t introduced to John Carter’s main villain, Matai Shang (Mark Strong). What we did see, however, was an assemblage of footage that pointed to a genuinely promising big-screen fantasy. Taylor Kitsch makes for a far deeper and more interesting hero than we had initially suspected, and Stanton appears to have shot and edited John Carter in a way that is anything but generic, landfill Hollywood. Within the space of 20 minutes, what was once a cinematic enigma transformed itself into one of the most promising movies of next year. "

  • Now that sounds exciting. I wonder if they can get away with this because the blood is blue. I wonder how far gore can be pushed when its considered "alien" gore. Intriguing...

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    You've watched the trailer right? The moment when Taylor Kitsch is taken into that Geonosis lookalike arena and then a huge CG beast comes out. The actor should place himself in that moment. He should be disoriented, confused, and then when he sees that giant monster - he should be terrified and ready to fight for his life or die. But what does Taylor do? He shrugs, with a little smirk. That POS reaction should tell you all you need to know about the movie.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Only the first half of Wall-E was good

    by D o o d

    the rest of the film was an embarrassment!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    The rest of the film, d o o d...

    by D.Vader

    Is where the brilliance of its science fiction roots come into play!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by D.Vader

    I didn't see a shrug, or a smirk. I think I saw an exasperated "Oh no..."

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    someone detailed the images in the trailer- here is the breakdown

    by Michael Lunney

    1. Behold the giant Thark arena that appears to be carved right out of the landscape. Which was exactly what director Andrew Stanton said he was going for when he revealed his influences for the John Carter landscapes. Stanton revealed that he specifically pointed out Petra in Jordan as a massive influence. 2.John Carter and a limping Thark (green Martian warrior beasts with super strength, 4 arms and very tall bodies) enter the arena. 3. The Tharks do a Thark wave — and holy hell, it's getting really hard not to draw similarities between Star Wars Episode 2's Geonosis Fight. 4. What will John Carter have to fight, why a White Ape of course! 5. Carter uses his Mars super strength to leap over the beast and spear it WITH ONE BLOW (according to the shocked Thark we'll show you in the next image). Carter's super strength hasn't been shown too much in the earlier trailers but there's some good tiny-man-leaping action in the lastest trailer. 6. Is this Willem Dafoe as Carter's soon-to-be Martian friend Tars Tarkas? It certainly sounds like him. 7. Carter is covered in the blue blood of his White Ape kill, suck it Braveheart. 8. This is either the city of Helium or Zodanga. Those are the two humanoid cities in the Martian land of Barsoom. 9. More super jumps. 10. Tars Tarkas, Princess Dejah and Carter sail down one of Barsoom's canals. More super jumps. 11. Princess Dejah Thoris (Lynn Collins) asks if Taylor Kitsch is John Carter. He smiles and says "Yes Ma'am." 12. Tharks mount their Martian horses (Thoats) to attack (greet?) Carter. 13. Another glorious shot of a Barsoom city. 14. The Tharks are burning piles of bodies. Why? 15. Carter asks Dejah "What happened to this place?" Seriously, why are they burning bodies? I don't remember this part from Edgar Rice Burroughs (it could be in there I'm sure) but wow — Disney movie! 16. Carter and Dejah stalking in the shadows (yes Dejah is a princess who kicks ass sometimes). 17. Mark Strong makes his first appearance as Matai Shang. Creepy Dune-like eyes, my friend. 18. Coincidence that when Matai Shang makes an appearance Dejah gives a voiceover about a new power that is destroying their city, then we see images of destructive blue lighting? No, it is not. 19. Woola, a Mars dog and Carter's companion through parts of the books. 20. Ciarán Hinds makes his first appearance as Tardos Mors. He's the grandfather of Princess Dejah Thoris and the Jeddak (Emperor) of Helium (a city in the Martian land of Barsoom). 21. Dominic West plays Sab Than, Prince of Zodanga. Clearly this is a glimpse of some sort of wedding ceremony. We can only assume these two are getting married for the political purposes of their Jeddaks. But as we all know, she and Carter are in love, how much you want to bet that gets in the way? 22. Dejah screams at an off camera problem while Samantha Morton's character Sola rides her away on her Thoat. At least we think it's Sola, due to the slender tusks and pivotal part of Dejah's and Carter's storyline. 23. It would appear that Matai Shang is in cahoots with the big scary Tharks. And from Carter's shouts in the trailer, it looks like he's now completely tangled up in the political war going on in Barsoom. He may not have started it, but he's going to finish it. And all without putting on a shirt.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST

    d.vader, I disagree with you

    by D o o d

    but you have the right to see it differently. I think the first half of Wall-E where he is all alone on earth doing his thing, is absolutely magic. Possibly the best Pixar has been with no dialogue. However, once the humans come into it, it turns into this horrible shitfest that just annoyed the hell out of me. I, personally, saw no genius there!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    CGI ok whatever, but do we need the damn slow motion? Ugh!

    by Orionsangels

    Ever since 300. Slow motion keeps being overused.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    as a lover of SF and animation, I respectfully disagree. It was an OK movie with an important message, but not necessarily brilliant SF or brilliant animation. It was not special, and certainly not a deep thinking movie. I guess I expected more as my expectations were high, so I was a tad disapppinted. But I also recognize why some may find it superior - not raining on that parade. And the trailer here holds promise that this may be a solid film adaptation, despite earlier reservastions.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Its all underlying, d o o d

    by D.Vader

    What you see as a horrible shitfest, I see a fantastic tale about rebellion, about going up against authority and the status quo (and this is from DISNEY?). I see a brilliant sci-fi story about a robot that teaches humans, men and women that live only to consume and do what they're told by the ruling party, how to be human once more, how to think for themselves. I see a robot who frees political prisoners (who have been thrown in jail for being free-thinkers and creative artistic minds, for going against their "programming" and acting outside of what's considered or told to be "normal") and gains an immense following through his love and friendship, so that together they can topple the oppressive and totalitarian regime that prevents their society from evolving or moving forward. I see a robot who has learned what it means to be human leading a rebellion against the government and then helps create a bright new future for humanity on a new world. Like I said, in my opinion, its all brilliant science fiction.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    MgGooToo, the above goes for you too

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I Guess I'll be the 4th person to say I like it, lol

    by BikoQue

    I do, what can i say

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The trailers kicks ALL KINDS OF FUCKING ASS !!!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I guess this is one of those moments where geeks have a particular gut reaction to something, at which point they take opposing sides like the Jets and the Sharks in WEST SIDE STORY. That's because I see some people here decrying how much this trailer sucks, while I find myself saying "WTF? Are we watching the same thing? Because this looks FANTASTIC and that trailer kicks all kind of fucking ass!" Right now -- in my eyes -- Andrew Stanton has a 100% batting average. Everything the guy has done, I've loved. So even though this is just a trailer...simply going on faith...I trust him to produce a solid final film, once it's edited and polished into final form. And while I wasn't crazed at first about the casting of Taylor Kitsch (Hugh Jackman was my initial choice for the perfect John Carter), I like what I'm seeing. That's because as opposed to casting a big name star like Jackman, I like that Kitsch has a fresh face look about him -- which means I can sit in the theater and get into the movie even more. As for Lynn Collins, she looks absolutely babe-a-licious, which is the #1 requirement for Dejah Thoris. Heck, as a lifelong Edgar Rice Burroughs fans -- all his books were my favorites as a nerdy teen -- even the design on Woola has me grinning a goofy smile. Personally, I can't wait. This is DEFINITELY the movie I'm most anxious to see in the upcoming season. As I said, the geeky ERB fan in me has been waiting a LIFETIME for this thing, and this trailer makes me think I won't be disappointed.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by wrx

    That just makes me sad

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Not exactly what I wanted or expected, but looks like it could work...

    by Bibliographer

    Oh yeah. Stanton's track record earns him benefit of the doubt. I'm hopeful, and not gonna hold my breath waiting for my imaginary ideal. This is real, and could be very good.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Big dumb ape, u r rat own!

    by Bibliographer

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    by d o o d: "Only the first half of Wall-E was good" Fully agree.

    by AsimovLives

    a great movie that degenerates into total predictability.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Seriously, glad you liked it and got more out of it than I did. I respect your viewpoint, and yes, as I said, the film had an important message. A really inspiring one for kids, actually, and for that I support your praise, even though I do not have as much enthusiasm as maybe I should. In a couple of year, I will revisit it.... and maybe appreciate it more. Seems like JC has piqued your interest - cool - it looks like it might have something more going for it than the usual lousy adaptations and remakes being produced lately. My hopes are high for this... And, if I were Asi, I would not have gotten your jokes that went over his head either....

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    "MARS' sky isn't blue, and this is therefore stupid."

    by AsimovLives

    actually, Mars' sky is blue.... at sunset.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    looks pretty damn good to me, but

    by Tom Fremgen

    sure everyone should be naked. Still, this looks much better than the first looks of the new Conan, so I'm pretty positive right now! Plug- Please read my comic-

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    Think the new probe that just launched this week will finally find life on Mars? Are you up to speed on that latest probe? God, I hope they do, and I hope the life they find isn't just Earth germs from other probes and rovers... Do you think that finding life elsewhere will have any real impact on life on Earth, or will it just be interesting for a week, until the next sex scandal commands all attention?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Well, I watched it, and guess what? It's not so bad!

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    I've seen worse. Much worse. I have a lot of faith in Stanton, and since I've never read the Burrough's novels, I have nothing to compare it to ("Not red enough! No one's naked!"). Whatever. I get it - it's what we do here. It does seem a bit derivative, but the whole Campbell 'Hero's Journey' thing has been done to death, so perhaps that's why. The whole 'of Mars' argument seems silly. When the girl calls him 'John Carter, of Earth', you just know that the last line of this flick is gonna be - "No. Of Mars." Probably gonna surprise a lot of people.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST



    "However go read a thread on PROMETHEUS or a set report from THE HOBBIT and you'll see a lot of excited people" That's because those movies are sequels. Try reading the LOTR TBs from wasn't pretty. It was attacked from every front you can imagine with only a handful of defenders. I still remember when a shot of Chris Lee and the Uruk was posted here..."cheap looking" "Sword and Sorcerer" "he grows them?? lame"- nobody cares about this movie etc. etc. I can only fucking imagine what an Alien TB would have looked like had there been an aicn back in '78. Or Blade Runner for that matter. "stupid studio title" "the trailer doesn't reveal anything about the plot" "we've seen all this before". Batman Begins and Avatar weren't exactly welcomed either. I'm sure in a couple years everyone here will be excited about the new Planet of the Apes movie...the same ones that were screaming FAIL earlier this year. This place is a cesspool make no mistake. xen11- your wall-E post above was the best one you've made so far. dvader- cheers!

  • Actually Asi, I give it two weeks. Two.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    When has any futuristic desert movie or shirtless gladiator type future

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    movie ever been a success?? I'm usually on the "this place is filled with cynical assholes" bandwagon but this movie looks DREADFUL...just another CG fest with an actor who's stardom is being force fed to us...Taylor Kitsch is not a good actor, he was ok in FNL mostly because his character was written so well...nothing I've seen so far makes this look like anything other than a Riddick/Troy/Clones mishmash

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by Andrew

    I know almost nothing about this, so maybe it gets addressed, but how does JC breathe on Mars? That is bugging the crap out of me.

  • Where's your precious subjectivity now? Or that does only aply to others?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    d.vader, let me clarify...

    by zinc_chameleon

    'District Nine' had mostly CGI, and it had a budget of $25M; '300' had a budget of $65 M. Let's update that for 2012 to about $80M--the budget for 'Conan', and yes, I believe 'John Carter' could have been done for between $65M and $80; I don't see anything in the trailer that justifies a $200 M budget. Just about all the big effects shots could be done in Blender (free) and After Effects (inexpensive), on the rented render farm.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Menacing Phantom

    by victor laszlo

    I wish I could share your optimism. I don't think there's any question that ERBs diatribe against organized religion will be the first thing to go in a Disney produced Barsoom 'trilogy'. I'd still have huge problems with how this looks, but I would be a lot more hopeful if I hadn't read all the interviews. Stanton has already admitted to distancing himself from anything that could be deemed racially controversial, (which sort of explains the all-caucasian cast playing numerous races of a diverse alien world). Of course, this guts one of the central themes of the book - that of interracial equality among the denizens of Mars. Let us have no illusions that this Disney John Carter will ever lead an armada into the Barsoomian heaven to topple the dogmatic planetary Religion and expose the Gods of Mars as corrupt frauds. ERB went for the jugular in that book. I don't think we can honestly expect Disney John Carter to break the skin.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by D o o d

    You are correct that 200 million dollars is way too much money for what is shown in that trailer, or for that matter, any movie. However, the cost of CGI doesn't come down to what software you use but the talent you employ. It's all about getting the best artist to do the job. Looking at the effects in John Carter, I don't see anything more remarkable than what I have seen elsewhere, so I'm not sure the artistry is all that great. I'll leave my final judgement after I've seen the whole movie. Even then, it will come down to how much I enjoy the movie as a whole than just the CGI.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST



    When was any movie with elves, wizards and dragons a success before LOTR? When was any pirate movie (The Pirate Movie, Pirates, The Island, Cutthoat Island, Waterworld) a success in the 30 years before Disney blew tons of money on a movie based on a ride starring a quirky indie favorite who had never been in a hit movie? What cyber-reality movie had been a success before The Matrix? Was Warner's banking on all those Johnny Mnemonic fans?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    well, if you want to know my opinion on the subject of life on mars, here it is: i think it's fairly lausibe that exists or existed life on mars. In the past, mars had a thicker atmosphere which made liquid water more possible to exist on the surface. liquid water seems to be important for life, at least with the example on earth to serve as example. if there still is life on mars, i think it's microbiotic. it could exist mostly at the permafrost layer that exists belw the martian surface. basically, mars like a huge Siberia, where underneat the arid surface there's a lot of ice water. that ice combine with the martian soil could create nutrients for microbes to nourish. there's microbes on earth who can life off from such meager sustainance. the real big question is about deeper on mars crust. mars still retains quite a lot of internal heat from it's earlier more vulcanic past. it's possible that deper down there could exist liquid water in underground rivers from water that has been melted because of the heat. if so, perhaps there could be life in the dephts of mars, and who knows, maybe even more complex creatures then just unicellular microbes. yeah, i'm failty optimistic that there's life elsewhere even on our solar system... just not intelligent life like us humans. but the existence of alien microbes or even worms and fish would be a revolution in our understanding of life.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by Andrew

    I love that all the martians are speaking fluent English. There must be a TARDIS nearby.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST



    lol. air-factory dude

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    McGooToo, next time you do see WALL-E

    by D.Vader

    Look for what I mentioned up above. Its not that obvious, which is why I think a lot of people missed it, but its there in the subtext. The movie is teaching kids to rebel against authority! And as for the jokes Asi didn't get, oh come on, don't try to start something in here. I thought it was fairly obvious I was jerking Asi's chain. Especially since in the particular post I had quoted from, Asi didn't really back up his points other than to say, I believe, it was "stupid" or "retard", which is why I exchanged "SUPER 8" with "ET" to show how easy it is to say such things without backing them up. And you see how angry it made Asi too!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by Andrew

    Ha! That must be it.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Cheers to you too, WONKABAR!

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    Legend, Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Neverending Story etc etc etc

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    and by success I mean "good" not making money

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    lord knows there are a lot of "succesful" movies that are terrible...I don't care how much money a movie makes, I want it to be good...this doesn't look like it will be good...even passable

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Asimov, you don't know the meaning of the word subjectivity!

    by D.Vader

    Hah! As for me saying WALL-E is brilliant, I stand by that; I believe it IS brilliant, and that there is a lot of intelligent science fiction tropes going on in the subtext that go over a lot of people's heads. The way I worded what you quoted, however, does appear that I am telling people the way it is and they can't disagree. Of course you recognized that, you talk that way all the time! Now note I'm not telling someone the movie is great or bad and there's no arguing about it, or they're stupid for not noticing it, or telling them their opinion is *wrong* for not liking it as much as I do or for liking it *more* than I do. I'm simply saying there is a lot more to WALL-E than most people give it credit for. There is a lot of classic science fiction to be found in its narrative. There's not much in the way for subjectivity there

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    WALL-E, one of the very few truly subversive Disney films

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Zinc Chameleon

    by D.Vader

    Okay I see what you're saying now. The issue is that it looked like you said Stanton should have used practical effects and he could have done so on a "300" budget, when in truth, practical effects often drive the budget up, and "300" did use all CGI just about for its backgrounds (definitely for its creatures).

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i understood your smart-alec post just fine. but it seems you didn0t understood the implications of your post that came out os a big appologetic for Super 8 and comparing it with ET. that's how it read out, your post. that was the implication of your post. if you want to be clever, you better think the implications. the joke backfired.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    actually, LEGEND was a commercial flop

    by AsimovLives

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    So we both agree- the answer to Bowie's question is YES!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Way to go raskolnikov_was_framed....


    those were ALL bombs at the box office. Look it up. Way to prove my point.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    We need more adult SF animation that isn't designed to appeal to kids, but alas, in the US, with some notable exceptions, that isn't a better reality.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Vades, i'm glad you're getting good vibes from this trailer because to me it looks like 10,000 BC levels of bad! And regarding Taylor's *exasperated* reaction to the giant 30 foot monster charging at him... Please just have a watch of this video entitled 'Spider Falls On Dad'... it not only illustrates my point it's also f**n hilarious!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    No, you didn't understand my smart-alex post just fine because you then launched into a lecture and started being condescending. You were *close* to getting the joke because at one point you even mentioned "Are you taking a piss?" If you truly understood the smart alec post "just fine", I believe you would have left it as such and only asked that question to confirm, rather than go into a long diatribe about why I'm wrong.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Agreed Vades, Wall-E is excellent science fiction

    by Mattman

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2 p.m. CST



    LOTR was here b4 u! So u can give ur heart 2 Hackson...but ur ass belongs 2 Lucas!!! hobbitches and ringworms r bunch of disgusting FATBODIES!!!! ; )

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    And Asi, also note

    by D.Vader

    I didn't insult you in any way like you did by suggesting I surround myself with people who don't mean what they say. Of course, when I brought that back up in the other TB, it was with mock anger, but seriously, you should own up to that.

  • And you know it. You've implied I'm a mindless drone for enjoying Star Trek. (And you wonder why I don't like you)

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    ps. WALL-E was/is brilliant!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    10,000 BC bad, Cobra Kai? Heavens no!

    by D.Vader

    If that were the case, surely the trailer would have ended with some sort of alien creature leaping toward the camera!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    way to not read my next post you cherry picking asshole...I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY A MOVIE MAKES!! it's meaningless in judging the quality of a your logic TF3 and Twilight are fucking classics

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    It reminds me of the 80's Flash Gordon movie

    by robert0

    For better or worse.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Wonkabar - you can add the first 'Tron' to that list...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    (and Shhh! I liked 'Waterworld'! Please don't tell anyone!) Oh, shit.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Gooood LORD that was a huge effin' spider!

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I'm afraid so. I believe that 'Spider Falls On Dad' made for a budget of $0 will have more entertainment value than the $200 million JOHN CARTER.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    This movie looks like it will be a BAD movie

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    it might make bank...meaningless...some of the best movies of all time made nothing in the theaters...but wonkabar seems to forget those films and only concentrate on movies with big BO...that's fine...but he's probably wasted thousands going to see shit movies

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST



    and no ras.... those movies actually aren't that good. People just have a certain nostalgia for them. Like Krull or Spacehunter. Neverending Story totally ruined the book. Legend was a total sell-out to MTV at the time. Dark Crystal & Labyrinth were cliche and boring. Oh, I know I'm getting myself into trouble here....

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    As for this trailer, it does nothing for me

    by Mattman

    But that doesn't mean the movie will suck... it's just not that interesting a trailer. I preferred the teaser... far better use of music and imagery.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Mom And Dad Save The World

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    THAT'S IT!!! that's exactly what this shit looks like...fucking mom and dad save the world...question is will they keep the "pick me up" light grenade

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Agreed, McGoo

    by D.Vader

    I wish we had gotten ILM's planned CGI adaptation of Frankenstein from over a decade ago.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Right on Mattman and Cobra Kai!

    by D.Vader

    On WALL-E, that is. =D

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    wonka if you don't like those films we have nothing to discuss

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    and Jim Henson hates you from beyond the grave

  • I was watching this little movie called The Road Warrior the other day... you, ah, may have heard of it.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I cannot be chopped

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I am choppah proof because it's bullshit...success means a lot of things...Shawshank is a successful film no matter what it did in theaters...Braveheart = success lots of successful films were box office failures...there are as many great films that made no money as there are shit that made if your definition of what makes a successful film is only box office numbers you're gonna miss out on a lot of great films

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    You Say: Legend was a total sell-out to MTV at the time. You need to see the European cut of this film. Amazingly different feel to it, different rhythm, music - a much different version of the same story. I liked Legend, both versions, and saying it aped MTV --- no.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I also clarified my definition right after I wrote my original post

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    because I knew you fuckers would nitpick me and try and win an argument on a technicality

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST

    mattman at least comes back with a good response

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I'll concede Mad Max

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST

    no...I'm clarifying what I meant

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    and wonkabar started the argument by saying there were no great elf, wizard, movies before LOTR...I thought he meant in terms of quality of the films...when in fact he was talking about box yes your new friend started the box office = quality argument...and then responded to my listing of some good 80's fantasy films with "you proved my point they were all bombs" so...yeah

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i'm the first to have ther gight to point out to the subjective lovers crown then they fail to live up to their own words. i never claimed to be a supporter of the notion of total subjectivity that many of you have. so at least i'm consistent. by the way, why do 't you guys go subjectivity preaching on the ass of the "FACT"!!!" guy? you fear getting your ass kicked by him? you are affraid of him?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    and as far as the CG complaints...


    you people have complained about the cg for EVERY FUCKING MOVIE that has come out in the last 12 years! Before Avatar came out..."fake" "Awful" etc. etc. ROTPOTA "so bad" "FAIL" etc. etc. Poor man's Avatar you say? It's all the same animators nit-wits. Hell, I even saw some guy on another site saying "why didn't they use Dneg?" They DID use fucking Dneg tool! I'll never forget the TB when the first photo of Gollum was released (Frodo with the sword at his throat) and all the "experts" here were convinced it was a puppet. Jesus

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Yes. but not as cool as bowie.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    glad you come up with the condescending thing, because that's how mkany of your posts read to me speacilly when you go preaching on me. think about it. hair of the dog that bitted.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I know that's why right after I posted the successful thing

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I posted again clarifying it...wonka saw my clarification but chose to ignore it to try and corner my argument...I'm not gonna let it happen...should I have not used successful in my OP? yup...but since there is no edit button I corrected it before wonka responded to my I saw my mistake before you guys did

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    raskolnikov, you conceded the point

    by Mattman

    Therefore my reply got the job done. You, on the other hand, have to string a defensive PS after every boneheaded post you make. Just quit while you're behind.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    a hatefuck? is there something about your own life you want to share with us?

  • i'm not a groupie for this movie, and so far i have been a bit skeptical, but that's just too much!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    asimov, you mean creepythindick?

    by Mattman

    I think most just recognize him as trollbait now, but I have gone after him a few times in the past.

  • second half is pure preictable banalville. technically a very well acomplished movie, too bad about the schizo tone. if the movie had been 80 minutes like the first half of the movie, i would now be singing the praises of WALL-E from the top of buldings and woe he who tried to shut me up. Alas!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "Legend was a total sell-out to MTV at the time" Only the american version. the international version which i saw in the theater was a much more clasic fantasy type movie. the director's cut of LEGEND is basically the international cut with some scenes added on.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    "It is most definitely aesthetically its own thing."

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    Once again, there Harry goes throwing out phrases that he has no understanding of in order to sound much more intelligent than he actually is. If by "its own thing", you mean every overproduced piece of shit Hollywood CGI-fest, you'd be right.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Asi, no one takes that guy seriously

    by D.Vader

    Anyone who says "FACT" after what they right is clearly not being 100% serious. As for you being condescending, it happens when you lecture people, especially when its completely uncalled for. It happens quite often from you, that's all.

  • but the differences are far more substantial then the score alone, as anybody who has seen both versions can testify.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Ooof, I meant "write", not "right".

    by D.Vader


  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    looks cool- although the princess= FAIL. i always imagined frazetta style.


  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I love the DC of Legend

    by Mattman

    It's like a classic style animated Disney movie brought to life in live action. The simplicity of the story allows the visuals to flourish.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Surprising Asi doesn't like the second half of WALL-E

    by D.Vader

    Since that's where its true science fiction roots and intentions lie.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    d.vader... yeah

    by Mattman

    Go figure.

  • not the music of the trailer. i mean the music for the movie. this movie begs the type of score that composers in the late 70s, 80s and early 90s were doing for fantasy and Sf movies. score like those made by composers like jerry goldsmith, john williams, basil polidouris, john barry, james horner (back when he used to have talent), elliot goldenthal, alan silvestri, christopher young, danny elfman, elmer bernstein, bill conti... i wonder if this movie will actually have some herooic leitmotif that is imediatly identifiable, or if it's just alike any other blokcbuster of today with this wallflower type score that nobody can remember a tune from it after the movie ends.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:49 p.m. CST



    Don't get me wrong. There is a special place in my heart for Legend. I have the DVD and Blu-Ray. Watching it as an adult I can see now why Siskel & Ebert ripped it a new asshole. Still love it though and ironically even though I waited years for the Euro-version...I still like the flawed US version better. Ras...I refer to both quality and BO. I think John Carter will be amazing and in turn do well. Sure, there have been many bad movies that did well at the BO (Transformers etc.). But there really aren't a lot of GOOD movies that tanked...that I can think of anyway. I'm not talking indie or movies that you personally like- I'm talking big movies that open in a bunch of theaters worldwide with big marketing. I can't think of any. I'm not super keen on the style of this John Carter trailer either. I hate rock songs in trailers these days....but I can see past that shit and the epic that is lurking behind it. A lot of people have seen big chunks of this movie and I'm hearing nothing but positive things. Judging by the track record of the people behind it...shit just look at the IMDB resume on this thing...I think it's safe bet that it will be at worst good- at best- one of the best films of next year. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Hey choppah...u the man. I'd give you a proper reach-around anytime!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST



    Michael Giacchino. That alone makes me want to see John Carter

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    actually, the root of Wall-E is right form the first second. in fact, the first half plays far better as an original SF story. the seocnd half is a mundane seen-it-all-before cliche story of the triumph of the human spirit. yeah, whatever! by the way, the end credits imply that the humans mange to bring back crops to earth. which make one wonders, did those huge sandstorms that lasted for days on end suddently stoped just because the humans arrived? the weather suddently became ameanable? because in the first half of the movie we are introduced to this huge merciles sandstorms that brings the absolute terror to the earth of poor Wall-E. so much so this robot needed to have a house to protect him from the elements. his stress in escaping the storm to safety was playe quite for drama in the movie, and it also implies the sotrms last for days, if not weeks. and then, in the end, we see that manking just got all jolly nad had crops growing. those sandstorms wouod had fucked upo any atept at agriculture they would tried just by the efforts of their brow. mankind would had starved to death the second half of Wall-E is a complely diferent movie from the first half. and harldy as good or hardly as smart or challenging. if anything, the first half is where a Sf heart beats the most and strongest. second half is clicheville.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Well... it doesn't look like it sucks, at least

    by Ribbons

    Which is kind of a surprise given the persistent rumors of a troubled production. But it also looks pretty bland to me. It could just be due to the unfortunate fact that a lot of great filmmakers have been heavily influenced by A Princess of Mars for the better part of a century. But with a project this big, even a team of seasoned vets like Pixar could have fallen victim to the dreaded "Studio Notes Syndrome" -- or worse, forced to bland down their own movie for the purposes of globalization, a process that Disney is well-acquainted with and that I will now proceed to bemoan at length. Just kidding. Sort of. Maybe the material plays better when it's not cut to look like every other action movie of the last 10 years. I liked the teaser, anyway. One last gripe, though: does EVERY ONE OF THESE MOVIES! HAVE TO HAVE A SPEECH! WHERE THE OUTSIDER RALLIES THE TROOPS BY SCREAMING ABOUT FREEDOM OR WHATEVER!

  • i guess he later pulled a adam west and start self-deprecating himself. if you can't win, join them.

  • The first half is extremely simplistic: Garbage man works alone, cleans up large shitpile, collects trinkets, then meets a girl and falls in love and tries to impress her. There's not a lot of science fiction in that except for the fact that the garbage man is a robot and the shitpile is a dystopian future earth. As I've stated above, the second half is when we get the true science fiction tropes; the totalitarian government and the humans who have been reduced to unthinking robots, the robot that brings humanity back to men and women, the toppling of a fascist regime that was preventing human progress. Etc, etc.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i'm not a grammar nazi, if i understand the idea in the sentence, i don 't need it to be completly accurate to get it. my pet peeves in grammar is people using "your" for "you're", because it makes no bloody sense. i can't take seriously anybody who does that.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    Sorry, gotta agree with Wonka on two points:

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    Legend: one of the only movies I ever nodded out to (sorry to sound like Harry) - boooring. Perhaps the international version was better. Don't know. Probably not, at least for me. And I though both Cruise and Curry could do no wrong back then. Dark Crystal: Oh man, I loved this when it came out in theaters! Bought the special edition DVD when I found it for $6 in the bargain bin (!), all excited to watch it with my son, who was six or so at the time. Kept waiting for something to happen, and when it was all done, we were both like, 'meh'. I felt like he was just indulging me. So didn't get that feeling when we watched 'Raiders' together a year or so later (not that I'm putting them in the same category). Sad, because it kept me from picking up the Blu of 'Labryinth' a few weeks ago. I'm afraid it just won't be as good as I remembered it. Disappointing - but that's nostalgia for you.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    And no one - NO ONE - is above being 'chopped'!

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    That's just the way it is......

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    In other news...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    I'm watching Chuck Heston being doused with a hose and screaming, "It's a madhouse! A madhouse!" while I type this, is good.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    the end credits of Wall-E show mankind and robots workiing together to reclaim the earth, at the tune of a peter gabriel song. so, yeah, it is a depiction of the fate of the humans and their robot allies after the story ends. and in it, things just grew back to the earth it used to be, fertille and with agricuture going on. and no huge sandstorms fucking it all up and turn earth into the Kahn planet of ST_THE WRATH OF KAHN. it's as if the filmmakers who made the movie forgot what they had presented in the first half.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    the first half of Wall-E is in fact more sophiticated

    by AsimovLives

    without dialogue, they achieved a miracle in filmming storytelling, in that they told a ehole sotry about Wall-E on earth, what his world is, who he is, and what he thinks and all with just images and sound and music. never once you are in doubt what the robot is thinking, and they did that without resorting to easy trickery. and there is a message in the first half that's very powerful, but it's never hammered in the head of the audiences. the movie didn't njeed to make statements or have characters speel it out. the movie just resented, and it was there. the first half of WALL-E is a masterpiece of cinema. a victory of filmic storytelling. it's brillant. the second half is clicheville with people spelling out. the movie didn't even dare to go to the logical conclusion of its own premise,in that, the ship wouldn't even had humans in it anymore, mankind all gone. and the pixar guys could had pulled that off q

  • And hundreds that hate or dislike it, so... Just be prepared for this movie to bomb, do not become overly invested in it.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    How about there, they're, and their.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    sorry. continue

    by AsimovLives

    ... and the pixar guys could had pulled that off quite well without scarying the klittle kids. they would see the rest of the story as the advenures of the cute robot among other robots. while the adults would understand the implications. but somewhere they coup out, and the end resultis this banal boring message that is as old and overplayed as Sf can get since the begining of the genre. no, i'm not impressed inthe slightest with the simplistic message of the second half of WALL-E, banal and overplayed as it is. but the first half kicked my ass.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Just Wrong

    by Ardee-El

    I've seen comedies that weren't funny, dramas that weren't dramatic, action-adventures that lacked action, adventure or simply punch; I've seen films that were poorly acted, poorly written, and/or poorly directed; I've even seen films where they got the tone wrong (the original "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" for instance). But this is the first film I can think of where they shot themselves in the foot by getting the color palette wrong. Now, I get where they're trying to downplay the whole Martian thing—this is an alien planet, not necessarily Mars. And if it is Mars, it's Mars millions of years ago—or millions of years hence. (Ha… don't get to use "hence” much.) But this still looks like the American southwest, even with all the floaty CGI additions. A little digital tweaking to the sands and the skies, pushing things toward the orange and red and—dare I say it?—pink range and this might actually evoke an alien landscape, rather than southern Utah. And not to undercut my misgivings with what some will no doubt dismiss as a sexist remark, but Dejah Thoris is way over-dressed. This is supposed to be a different civilization, a different culture, with different norms. Inhibition is not necessarily a requisite guiding principle of an enlightened society. You either embrace the zeitgeist of the original material or you cop out.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    But Asi, you're also forgetting...

    by D.Vader

    That the plant was a symbol that the planet was becoming more hospitable for life again. Typically, those huge dust storms would occur when the soil no longer can grow crops and just becomes dirt and dust. Hence the Dust Bowl of America. If one plant can grow, more can as well. I'm sure the humans dealt with their fair share of dust storms, but they subsided as the soil became more and more amenable to plants and crops. Its a silly thing to get so hung up on. As CHOPPAH said, the idea is that a long passage of time occurs, hence the symbolic trip through man's history of art. And if you notice, the humans eventually become fit again, suggesting they have evolved, also suggesting a period of time passing.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "how about there, they're, and their" oh boy, you had to brough that up! yeah, indeed, that also rubs me the wrong way too. i mean, c'mom!! "Robots can ''live'' longer than humans, especially if there are humans tending to them." yes. but wall-e is about the other way around. that's the cool thing i loved in the first half is that, implicitly, we realise that though wall-e can live for centuries, he's already ona downsloap. remember, one of the earlier moments, he replaceson of his bodyparts with a scrap that is less rusty. the poor robot is already being forced to use scraps for self-repairs. his stay on earth was not for much longer, in robot years. and still the movie played it all for laughs. that's the brillance of the first half.

  • testify, oh truth sayer! sorry, utterer!

  • though a time when mars might had a breathable atmosphere was like 3 billion years ago. yeah, 3 billion years. that was back when life on earth was just mostly bacteria living in the oceans.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Asi, that's confusing

    by D.Vader

    .. "and there is a message in the first half that's very powerful, but it's never hammered in the head of the audiences. the movie didn't njeed to make statements or have characters speel it out. the movie just resented, and it was there." So what is the message? As for your idea that the ship shouldn't have had humans on it, well then there goes all the science fiction tropes I've mentioned in previous posts, there goes the totalitarian society that WALL-E fights against, there goes the idea of mankind being unable to think for itself, there goes mankind's increasing reliance on technology to control its life. In essence, there goes a lot of the great science fiction that resides in the film.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Asi, contd

    by D.Vader

    . "but somewhere they coup out, and the end resultis this banal boring message that is as old and overplayed as Sf can get since the begining of the genre. no, i'm not impressed inthe slightest with the simplistic message of the second half of WALL-E, banal and overplayed as it is." So, what is the banal boring message? What is the simplistic message in the second half? Are you ignoring everything I've said about it? You haven't presented anything that contradicts every bit of evidence I've brought up to back up my point, so I'm inclined to completely disagree with you.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Gotta agree with both of you...


    The whole mid-understanding of contractions and use of words that are similar in there place drives me nuts too. Were just gonna have to live with it I guess

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    mankind fucked upthe world thanks to over consumerism and over-production, and now all there is left is this little pathetic adorable robot cleaning up, just following an obsolete programming. it does say a lot without the need to hammer the head of audiences with needless banal dialogues and needless banal action scenes, to which the second half degenerates into. the brillant thing in the first half is that it says all it has to say by implications and inferences. it's subtle, it's smartly subtle. it's brillant. and imensely entertaining. the banal blunt unsubtle preaching and action bullshit of the second half, not so much.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I'd like it if people stopped typing FACT after every sentence. FACT.

    by megatronlegacy

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST



    I meant to say 'drives me nuts to'

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Say, aren't there two "FACT" guys on these boards?

    by Adam13

    I got "FACT"-ed the other day; it was actually kind of funny, though.

  • second half, a banal story about a simplified story of the triumph of the huan spirit that in a few minutes breaks the chains of complacency and everybody has an immediate epiphany silmultaneously. wow, deep... not! it's still a thousand times better and smarter then Super 8, however. which was a thousand times better and smarter then Abrams Trek. so there's that.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Well, I guess the "FACT" part wasn't the funny part

    by Adam13

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    we al,so have to live with taxes, but that doesn't make it any pleasant. the point is that we we can resign to that, but it sure is anoying, and the anoyance never goes away.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    i think the "FACT" has spreaded out like a desease.

    by AsimovLives

    it's more then just two of them, i fear.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    because that's what there is to be said. simple and sweet.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    some people just need their little blankies at all times, for comfort, hence repetitious little patterns like FACT!!!!!!!!! and because they know, over a period of time, that this type of person will stand out from the pack in people's minds and be remembered!!!!!! Don't we all just want to be remembered in some way? Otherwise, how do you explain all the seemingly braindead would-be stuntboys who cripple themselves permanently for a YouTube video???? To all who want to be remembered for meaningless activity: CHOPPED!!!!!! With all due respect for the original master of his craft!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    chooped!!! fact!!!!

    by AsimovLives

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    chooped? chopped!!!

    by AsimovLives


  • FACT!!!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    The !!!!!s make it

    by Adam13

    I wonder if the "FACT" is effactively amplifacted by the number of exclafaction points.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    give it a little time and we will have a doppelganger who calls himself

    by Michael Lunney

    THE CHOOPAH!!!! and no one will be able to tell the difference. FACT!!!!!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Holy shit - talk about syncronicity!

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    So, I just finished watching the original 'Planet of the Apes' on HBO family or some shit. So right after Charlie yells 'Damn you all to hell!', I'm thinking, 'Wow, how fucking great is that movie! I hope 'Beneath' is on next!', when what flashes on the bottom of the screen? 'Next: Mom and Dad Save The World'! Holy crap! I belive I may have injured myself diving for the remote.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4 p.m. CST

    I think we can all agree this trailer needed better music

    by happybunni

    Would have helped it out immensely. The music they chose for this just feels completely wrong

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    . "the banal blunt unsubtle preaching and action bullshit of the second half, not so much." Do you have examples of this? Or of what makes them banal, and where is the preaching?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I think we can all agree this trailer needed better music

    by Michael Lunney

    I think we can all agree this trailer needed better FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    SF animation

    by Adam13

    It struck me reading the earlier discussion on Wall-E and animated SF, that "Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a half century" must go in the pantheon. The final scene is as effective a satire on the cold war as exists.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Asi contd

    by D.Vader

    . "second half, a banal story about a simplified story of the triumph of the huan spirit that in a few minutes breaks the chains of complacency and everybody has an immediate epiphany silmultaneously. wow, deep... not! " I've already demonstrated how the second half is not so simple whatsoever. And the fact that everything I mentioned (rebellion, going against authority, learning to think for oneself, finding ones humanity, breaking the shackles of oppression, the release of political prisoners and free-thinkers, the evolution of humanity) is played out subtly in a KIDS' movie? Amazing. And brilliant. Not so banal after all.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Fact that shit

    by Adam13

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo- 100% agreement


    Let's hear some MG-score already!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    John Carter of Geonosis?

    by NeonFrisbee

    Wow. I mean, it's literally the same fucking thing.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    wonka ...not to be pedantic but ... fyi

    by DrMorbius

    Your use of too in the first post was correct, and your correction was in error. Not to mention the three other mistakes in the initial 'too' post.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    "CARTER'S ALIVE?!?!?!!?!?!?!??!"

    by whatevillurks

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    What do you mean Flash Gordon approaching?

    by robert0

    Towards the end of the trailer, John Carter seems to be riding a flying motorcycle, like the one used in the 80's Flash Gordon flick. FLASH! AAAAAAAA!

  • I believe I'll bough out momentarily--exit the seen, as it were--and go upstares for a pint. And he left to a chorus of booze. Remember, two ere is human, to drink, da vine.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    How does he jump so high?

    by Nuck81

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    @ Choppah - I endeavor to speak the truth in all things, sir...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    ..although I admit I may fail at times... However, I belive I my post in regards to yourself to be.... FACT!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    The bitch in the White Dress makes my Jeans tent...

    by conspiracy


  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a half century" is perserved in the library of congress as culturaly significant.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    mars gravity is 1/3rd of earth.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    joaquin_ondamoondo you speak the truth or do you speak FACT!!!!?

    by AsimovLives

    inquiring minds want to know.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Chloe Moretz? Did Someone mention Chloe Moretz???

    by conspiracy

    Call me a van driving perver if you will...but I've already gone out and bought the Official Chloe Moretz Countdown Clock. Hung it right up in the space where Miley's used to be.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Asi - I endeavor to keep them one and the same...

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon


  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Asimov, I knew

    by Adam13

    it was named one of the top something-or-other cartoons of all time, but was unaware it was singled out as a cultural landmark. As it should be. Up there with "One Froggy Evening" and "The Hole Idea."

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    doesn't look to bad IMO.

    by SID 8.0

  • If Jar Jar's race and the Sand people were running around or a Pod Race Broke out, I wouldn't even blink...or if a bunch of Jedi showed up to save John Carter while he was battling in the arena...Jabba sure is gonna be pissed that Conan Skywalker killed his fuzzy Rancor.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    So we all agree this looks dumb as fuck right?

    by Jaster Mareel

    So it's Avatar meets Attack of the Clones...with Led Zepplin? And what's with the gay-as-shit Hulk jumping? Do they not realize how completely fucking retarded that is? We don't know a whole lot about Mars but....WE KNOW IT'S FUCKING RED ASSHOLES!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Just to put it out there

    by mukhtabi

    If Andrew Stanton has the balls to a) color it nearly properly for this trailer and b) use Kashmir as the cut for the trailer, I'm willing to cut this film a huge amount of slack. I for one, shall celebrate my favorite (albeit bastardized) Burrough's novel FINALLY being realized. Btw, it's gonna make Avatar money.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Was that Led Zepplin in the music??

    by MaxHeadroom

    Sure sounded like Led Zepplin to me!

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    it can go either way, friend. either the trailer is telling the truth and this movie has shades of bad and dumb, or it's another case of the trailer of MASTER AND COMMNADER which was godawful that completly misrepresented a truly great movie. yeah, i'm on the fence on this one.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Who knew Rehab and Occult artifacts here so expensive..

    by conspiracy

    that Jimmy Page would allow Kasmir to be used in a blatant Attack of the Clones rip off. Worse...didn't people think during production "Hey...ya know...we need to change this a little...or people might think we ripped off that horrible Attack of the Clones?"

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Here, get educated:

    by ClayMatthews

    It's called the "Internet" - try it for something other than bitching anonymously and surfing Japanese adult breastfeeding sites. Fuck I need a drink.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 8:39 p.m. CST

    "Hello, I'm Pulitzer Prize winning author Michael Chabon...

    by ClayMatthews

    ...I really thought I could get away with making a career for myself by ripping off George Lucas. But I'll be damned if the Brain Trust at AICN didn't call me out on it. And all by watching a ten second trailer clip at that. I am so embarrassed. So much for 'most celebrated young writer of our time.' Now I know how the creator of John Carter and Tarzan felt when he got called out for ripping off Lucas 99 years ago."

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    trollspotting..we aren't saying John Carter rips off AOTC...

    by conspiracy

    but that scene in the rock area certainly does...right down to the charging beast, the shackled "Victims", and the cheering mob.... All it needed was light sabers and even worse dialog.

  • I always thought a cool plot twist in a future war set Terminator film would be that after the resistance breaches and is about to destroy the Skynet HQ, it is revealed that there is a massive Skynet base on the moon. So when it becomes apparent that machines have lost, the main Skynet AI that runs things sends itself to the moon base and is uploaded there to begin the war again. I mean, being machines/software and all, the forces of Skynet could survive up on the moon pretty easily.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Way to not get the joke and be a pedantic douche at the same time.

  • They're two separate things in case you were wondering. I mean, it makes sense, but, BORING. 10 year olds will dig it, though... when they see it on streaming/netflix whatevers in 6 months before the next thing and the next and the next and the...

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    xen11, WALL-E trailer and movie going retardation

    by lv_426

    I had a very similar experience with a great film while in high school. Martin Scorsese's CASINO. I wasn't a big Scorsese fan at that point. I saw and liked Goodfellas very much, and had only seen Taxi Driver but none of his other films. I wasn't into dramas yet at that point, or at least I wasn't as appreciative of them like I became to be a couple years after. Anyways, several friends wanted to go see Casino one Friday night. I wasn't jazzed about it, but hey, I figured I'd give it a chance and it was something to do anyways. So we sit down, the movie starts, and I'm fucking sucked into this thing. Man was it fascinating for my feeble teenage mind. Still a great film, but I had no idea of the history of Las Vegas at that point. The whole thing was just great, like a master class on the history of the mob and Vegas. I was loving it. About half way through, these friends who were so excited to see it wanted to leave. It was too slow and long for them. Fucking A! What a buncha fucksticks! So I know how you feel. Also, WALL-E had an atrocious trailer. I also thought it looked like utter crap. Hollywood really fails at trailers these days don't they?

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    There's a simple point to be made here...

    by zinc_chameleon

    and if you read the original pulpy-but-good-science-for-its-time novel; you will get a sense of energy, wonder and joy that permeates it. Mars isn't burnt out, despairing, or depressed. Every minute is filled with danger and surprises, and the women are smoking hot. Note that; ERB wrote Dejah Thoris as the hottest babe in science fiction and fantasy (at the tail end of the Victorian Era no less) , and so far only Frank Frazetta got it right. But then, Frank was a former prize-fighter, with a major babe for a wife. so he got the point. The pallid trailer I just saw doesn't do the novel justice, special effects or not.

  • -- Paul Verhoeven's JOHN CARTER OF MARS -- Rated NC-17. Made circa the late 1990's. Casper Van Dien as John Carter. Denise Richards (wearing skimpy Frazetta style wardrobe, plus a few gratuitous full nude sex scenes) as Dejah Thoris. Peter Weller as Tars Tarkas. Michael Ironside as one of the main villains. Maybe throw in Kurtwood Smith (Robocop's Clarence Boddicker) as a baddie too. Arnold Schwartzenegger as Quaido Quidothias (a brand new character created just for the film, and a distant ancestor of his character from Total Recall). Neill Patrick Harris as Woola. An epic score by Basil Poledouris. The fun thing with Verhoeven's version is that it would have been a prequel to Total Recall. You see, Mars is dying, and the various races there have come up with a plan to fix the atmospheric conditions of the planet. That ends up being all that alien tech that Cohagen and his cronies found in Total Recall. That weird alien hand-print thing that Arnold uses at the end to activate the alien reactors, that's what a Thark hand looks like in the film. So instead of John Carter being transported to Barsoom (Mars) in his present day time, he is also sent way back in time, hundreds, perhaps a million years ago to the time when Mars was still supporting life. ----------------------------------------------------- -- John Carpenter's JOHN CARTER OF MARS -- Made circa 1987 or 1988. Starring Kurt Russell as John Carter. Kim Cattrall (wearing skimpy Frazetta style wardrobe) as Dejah Thoris. Keith David as Tars Tarkas. That dude that played Egg Shen from Big Trouble in Little China would need to be in there too. Same with the guy that played Lo Pan. Donald Pleasance could play a part too. Hell, throw in Wilford Brimley and Harry Dean Stanton too. Maybe Ernest Borgnine as Woola. And don't forget to cast Adrienne Barbeau as another scantily clad Martian babe. With a hybrid synth-orchestral score collaboration between John Carpenter and Ennio Morricone.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST

    "Wall-E = the most retarded movie made by hollywood"

    by Adam13

    = the most retarded post ever made by the Internet.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    not to beat a dead horse or anything


    but this looks like Attack of the Clones covered in chocolate shit syrup. O.K. it doesn't look THAT bad but the battle between the cartoon CGI people doesn't look very exciting nor interesting.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST


    by Xen11

    Thank you for sharing and thank you for understanding/relating. I don't get those kind of people that we at one time called "friends"; the kind of people that refuse to appreciate beauty at an emotionally intellectual level.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST

    "Huh... blue sky on Mars."

    by Jerry Piper

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 5:09 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    the book was first published in 1911, yes. 100 years ago, yes. But the movie was made this year. And the VISUALS of the movie do seem quite heavily inspired by Attack Of The Clones. We are talking about the visuals. We allknow that the Barsoon novels inspired Star Wars, that's a very well know fact. That's not the point. The point is that with so man ways the filmmkaers of JOHN CARTER could had gone with it, they chosed viuals which are a bit too far reminescent of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. I'm not a basher of AOTC, i quite enjoyed it (there's something to be said about the advantages of not being a SW fanboy), but i have to agree that the visuals in display in this trailer is too suspiciously alike AOTC to give a baf felling about the movie. Hopefully, the movie might have other qualities that don't let this distract us too much from enjoying it. Hopefully.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 5:18 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Change Caspa VanDien with a real actor that can actually act while also be able to do physical (like, say a then young twenty-something Matt Damon for example or even a still hungry Ben Affleck) and that Paul Verhoeven Barsoon movie would be something i would so totally loved to have seen. why oh why it didnt happened? Also, put Sharon Stone and Demi moore in it too as barsoon babes, back then they were in their mid 30s and in the height of their babedom!

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    @asi it was published in 1912.But Burroughs started

    by KilliK

    the writing of the novel in the 1911.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    That trailer is beautiful

    by lprothro

    You'd have to be pretty sad, bitter and joyless to not have gotten some degree of excitement out of that--oh wait a minute, almost forgot which site this is. Honestly I have no idea why many of you even come here.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    I liked it better when it was called Avatar.FACT.

    by KilliK

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST

    As for the arena scene...

    by lprothro

    Number one, it's written into the first book. Number two, to the average non-geek who hasn't scene those crappy SW prequels over 1,000 times and memorized every word and the name of every character, there won't be much of a comparison drawn.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Never read the books or comics

    by ratpack223

    so I don't know how the purists feel, but I liked the trailer.

  • I always assume I am, at best, minimally qualified to participate in these discussions. So it really sends me around the bend when talk-backers don’t know something as nerd-basic as a major Zeppelin anthem. It’s also astonishing to me to read that some people feel that this film should look like 1950s Buck Rogers “camp” or 1970s Frazetta “like the books intended.” I’m usually not such an ass about it but I figure if I know better about something than everyone here knows better too. The plot comparisons, to anything from Star Wars to AVATAR, are simply ignorant and, frankly, people HAVE made them (present company excluded). Complaints about the Martian landscape seem so trivial and so prevalent – and if one looks at the latest NASA photos from the Martian surface one sees the film version is pretty damn close. This argument plays so heavily into the negative stereotype of the “fan boy” - that we complain about the Martian sky being the wrong shade of red or blue or something but ignore the fact that humans can’t actually travel to Mars in the first place and, as the planet has no real magnetic field, we would be cooked by radiation long before the cold killed us if we ran around naked. Finally, the most astonishing thing to me is the overall reaction to the project. Studios (who OF COURSE want to make money) invest hundreds of millions of dollars and talented people devote years of their lives all to earn our stupid $10 ticket price. No one has even seen this film completely finished. Movie trailers are cut to make people who don’t already want to see the film want to see the film. I understand that this trailer is not what “we” want out of John Carter, but the soccer moms need to drag the van loads to the local multiplex or the film will bomb. And man - this movie has become a contentious issue based on two minutes of footage designed to make the kiddies want to watch the show. We hate the first trailer, it’s too slow. We hate this new trailer, it’s mindless action. And suddenly we hate special effects creatures, Pixar, Stanton, and on and on and on? When the hell did all that happen? I’m usually better at suffering fools (being a such fool myself so much of the time) and I should know better when NOT to read talk-backs. If you felt I was trolling you I do apologize. I do hope you accept my apology and this explanation. Those posts, although heart-felt, were undoubtedly not my finest hour. -trollspotting.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i'mnot denying that there's pretty imagery in the trailer. i quite liked the aero vehicles. but the trailer does give the ida that the movie is derivative like hell. maybe it's just a bad trailer. but it's doing the movie no favours. well, i'm glad you took more enjoyment out of it. and if the movie turns out ok, then you can have the fun of saying "i told you so".

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    If they cant even make a trailer look good

    by Lane_myers111

    This looks bad on every single level. Story,special effects,acting and script. Aren't trailers normally the best parts of a movie edited together. Its similarities to the shit-fest attack of the clones are staggering. It looks like the exact scenario we've seen a thousand times before. Hero with special abilities realises his destiny,falls in love and saves lots of people with an incredibly bad cgi final battle with no tension because you know the result. Formulaic doesn't begin to describe it .But to be honest my expectations for Hollywood blockbusters are so unbelievably low due to an endless decade or more of mind numbing disappointment that i'm not at all surprised. Surely its right at the beginning at the script stage where the rot sets in. There really must be some absolute retards with powers to green-light movies these days.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    you wer enot trolling, friend, you were just stating your opinion. and so were we. some of us are excited to see this movie, some of us have apprentions about it (yours truly) and some are fucking hating everythign they se about it. and we are all having fun exposing our opinions and striking conversations from it. so, frankly, i don't think you need to appologise for anything because there's no need to. keep posting, friend.and if sometimes my posts about correcting the astronomical stuff in regard to the movie and mars strikes you the wrong way, don't mind it, it just so happens i'm also a astronomy geek as much as i'm a movie geek, as astronomy is my favorite science since i ever saw COSMOS in the early 80s. i don't post that to show off but merely to share what i know of the subject to others. sharing is the main reason why i even bother to come here and chat, if you know what i mean.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Trollspotting....well sadi dude....I agree with what u

    by southafricanguy

    just said 100%....the reactions here to a short trailer to a film no-one here has seen is very typical of modern fanboys....something im glad im not. I agree with Asi on his point about the advantage of not being a SW fanboy...

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Hey fucking awsome was Carl Sagan's

    by southafricanguy

    Cosmos series??? Grew up with it too buddy

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Im with you too apprehensive about this

    by southafricanguy

    film, but I would love it to be good as I love great classic pulp serial sci-fi. As for waht a lot of people are saying, its understandable but its not the books fault that its been so completely strip-mined for ideas by everything that has folllowed (Star Wars, Dune,Avatar, etc....)..if anything its a testement to just how influential John Cater of Mars has been that almost everything they have shown looks so familiar....however that could make the film a bore unfortunatly...

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:16 a.m. CST

    But I am still looking forward to this simply becasue

    by southafricanguy

    of Stanton. Finding Nemo was great animation, and imho Wall-E was a great sci-fi film..period.....animted or otherwise. If there is any hope for this film, its him.....

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Lots of people mentioned Kashmir, did anyone notice...

    by chuckmoose

    the opening of the trailer is Peter Gabriel's Rhythm of the Heat? Two great songs for sure, but it took me out of the trailer so hard I had to watch it twice because I couldn't pay attention to the visuals or dialog the first time.

  • And Unrated. I love that there is no edit button. It's virtually impossible to be offended because everyone starts out as a retard and has to prove themselves to be appreciated through what they speak. I laugh my ass off at the stuff I read. It's so spontaneous and there's so much to wade through, you wonder if anyone else saw it and appreciated it as much as you did. Dec 01, 2011 7:25:28 AM CST "Little boy in me is being pretty insistent." by rbatty024 My god, Harry has eaten a small child. I love it. FACT

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    otherwise Im most looking forward to prometheus

    by southafricanguy

    (even though it still scares the shit out of me due to Lindelof's involvement, never forget that he is one of the writers of JJ's Trek), the Dark knight rises (still fucking hate that name though), the Avengers, The Amazing Spiderman(I have a good feeling about it), Lincoln (DDL looks fucking awsome as Honest Abe), Tarantino's Django unchained (a Tarantino Western? yes please), Riddick (dont care what anyone says the COR series is cool, and Twohy is one of the most undderated directors making sci-fi imho)......

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    so much of what's best in me is partially due to the infleunces of Carl Sagan's series. seeing it in my early youth, in the early 80s, it was like going to church for the godheads must be. total enthralling experience. i was never the same afterwards.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    actuallym i think te opening and closing music in the trailer are form, Gabriel's score for THE LAST TEMPTATIN OF CHRIST. namely the track "Troubled".

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    i'm not a fan of the use of the song Kashmir in this trailer.

    by AsimovLives

    I love the song like everybody in here, but it's use in regard to this movie does strike the wrong note. a movie like this would rather merit some badass classic music tune, or some vangelis type epic tune, not some easily identifiable rock tune which i see as so divorced from it. i feel insulted with the notion that to make today's kids interested only rock stuff can be used. frankly, i call bullshit on that. this trailer needs big badass orchestral music. get it right, trailer boys!

  • It always boils down to religion and it keeps people from seeing the truth. If I speak out against religion, pharmaceutical companies, doctors which are paid off by pharmaceutical companies, unnecessary radiation dealt by doctors who get paid thousands for one scan, how everyone is just looking out for their jobs no matter the life-and-death repercussions, especially southern hicks paid off by oil companies, etc........ I get banned. I'm looking at you io9 and your transvestite editor that always bans me if I say the word 'asshole'. It's supposed to be this awesome site about science with a dash of fun, but its none of that because if you start talking about any sort of truth in a talkback which should be dedicated to truth, you will get banned because you are not one of the persistent assholes who tear everything down for fun. They are worse than AICN talkbackers. All they do is post sardonic responses to every fucking article. If you try to talk serious, its yo ass. I love that I can rant here. I might get kicked in the balls for it (metaphorically speaking) over here, but it will be a kick of love and my post will remain. It won't be a crucifixion. Fuck you, io9. You lure me in with your sweet talk on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, then once you have me in your chamber, you start to rape me. No more. I'm tired of changing my name every week for your sick little games. I'm no longer Rocket, Amber, Blondie, Baby Doll, or Sweet Pea.... I'm Xen11 and I wanna go where everybody knows your name

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    So, why is it he can jump so high?

    by slicer

    He's either The Hulk's son, or part Inspector Gadget!

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST

    My anticipation for this film is now reduced to nil.

    by DoctorWho?

    The tone, the art direction seems generic and safe. Hardly exotic or fresh...and yes the simple misfire of using Kashmir in the trailer to somehow generate some artificial excitement (as if I'm going to start banging my head in some Pavlovian response) to get me 'pumped up' just screams desperation. Not a hater...I really wanted to dig this.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    slicer = lower gravity on Mars is the book explanation.

    by ClayMatthews

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by Michael Lunney

    I like talking politics and religion -- Agreed about io9 some good stuff but lousy comments section for getting real with anything

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Just scanning the thread, unaware of the joke, mentioned not trying to be pedantic, sorry for the mistake. As for the douche part, sorry again for infringing on your territory.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by lprothro

    Well it's good to see that you haven't entirely resorted to childish hyperbole and extremism--cause I don't see how anyone with traditional Sci-fi interests couldn't find that trailer at least mildly interesting visually. And honestly--given how seminal the original work is, it appears far less derivative than I feared it would. Are there a lot of films with four-armed tusked green aliens? Not to my knowledge. The arena thing is a motif that Burroughs loved to use (it also appears in a few Tarzan novels and several barsoom stories), but is also as old as cinema itself. The tendency of myopic geeks to instantly compare it to a Lucas film is ridiculous when it's been in Gladiator and genre films since motion pictures started! I hope the film does turn out well since I'm so in love with the source material but if it doesn't, I'll be the first to admit that the talkbackers here were right. (Although if you call foul on everything you've always got a 50/50 shot of being right!)

  • Wow the sky is actually GREY...looks like it might even rain You know why? Cuz he IS the Kwizatz-Haderach! cue- TOTO

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Looks like...

    by Zombiana_Jones

    ....all the WORST parts of PHANTOM MENACE and CLASH OF THE TITANS (remake), with a dash of 10000 BC thrown in. Yeah, like that. Utter Shite. If you've already utterly lost me this bad on just the trailer... Well, then you've just LOST, period. When you say "It's totally working for some people", you must mean the coke-addled producers, and the yes-men surrounding them...

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Wow "Woola Racer Game"


    ....never thought I'd be writing those words. But then again, I never thought I'd see Frodo Burger King glasses either. Disney, Disney, Disney

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Just don't like the designs

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    It's a superficial complaint that nothing to do with the quality of the end product and its storytelling, but... Frazetta-style Carter, Thoris, and white apes, or GTFO.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    will see it once on tv, then will forget forever :-(

    by pavel hora

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Does Nothing For Me...

    by Mako

    For years AICN has hyped this movie over and over. I think HK was involved for a while trying to get it made. So my expectations were maybe a little high considering how many people have hyped the source material. The trailers have done nothing to excite me. Nothing at all. This looks like a CLONE WARS movie right our of AOTC. But it look actually even more boring (if that can possibly be). The character designs are not appealing at all. Nothing in the trailers is appealing IMO. I don't think the AVATAR female crowd is going to come crashing into the theaters in March to watch this. And the major action looks like nothing more than the last 1/3 of AOTC - but without light sabers (which is also cool). Disney could have trouble with this one. They even shortened the title, which tells me they know they could be in trouble.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    this is the 3rd or 4th time i explain this. Mars is smaller then Earth, has less mass, thus less gravitqtional pull, which is influenced by mass. Mars has 1/3rd the mass of Earth, thus it has 1/3rd the gravity pull of Earth. Remember those images of the astronauts bouncing up and down and jumping by merely walking on the moon? that's because moon's gravity is 1/6th of Earths. In mars will happen a similiar effect, but less noticable. So, yeah, on mars you will weight a 1/3rd of you do on earth. though the mass will retain the same, which means, you still have your earth strengh, thus, on mars you can jump higher and it will be easier for you to lift heavy objects as soon you can overcome the inicial inertia. weight will be less, mass remains the same. if the movie depicts a realistic depiction of a human's jump on mars gravity, that is another matter. my opinion, no, it's exagerated, even give the difference.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i was talking about the danny elfman of the late 80s/early 90s. back then he was the shit. nowdays, not so much.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    it's all a matter of presentation. as you well said, the source is far older then SW. the source is one of the influences on SW. we know that. however, it's the presentation that tives a AOTC vibe. could had it looked differently? perhaps it could. are the filmmakers deliberatly invoking the imagery of AOTC. i believe they are. the real question is if the movie and the filmmakers will be able to overcome that, so much so that when we watch the movie we will fell like we are watching familiar movie tropes anew, as if they are being in vented anew. that was something i felt when i first watched BATMAN BEGINS. that movie is filled with familiar tropes, however they all felt new/renewed, as if i was watching them for the first time. if John Carter mannages that, then it will be a great sucess and a really good movie worth of an eagerly waited and wanted sequel.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Well said, Asimov

    by lprothro

    Despite having been strip-mined by various forms of entertainment media over the years, I believe that there is still a moderately unique story to be told by way of these novels, and I believe that the right group of men have been hired to tell it. If they can manage to captivate us within the thralls of a well-written narrative, then the "repitiveness" of its imagery (which I still believe you and others to be overstating) will be moot. Also please bear in mind that AOTC came out nearly 10years ago and outside of the magical kingdom of Geekdom, has primarily passed out of the public consciousness--and lucas doesn't own the "arena battle" motiff. Given it's March release date, I think this film has a fair shot at both commercial and critical success. Mark my words compadre!

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    It just occurred to me....that's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MARS!

    by Jaster Mareel

    THAT'S why they took the "Mars" out of the title. That's why it doesn't matter that he can breath there and that's why it's not red. They pulled a "DOOM" on us folks! Maybe they are calling it planet Olduvai just to make sure we can all feel the pinch in our rectums. That's the answer folks, I'm sure of it. They knew they'd have to radically change the story to keep it Mars because unlike 1912, people actually know the conditions of Mars now.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    seeing is believing.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    those damn Flash Gordon 1930s serials ripped off Star Wars!!! FACT!!!!

    by Michael Lunney

    and that arena scene ripped off every movie tht had an arena scene...... FACT!!!!! Some people only see tails wagging dogs.... young-uns....

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    has anybody here actually seen those old flash gordon serials?

    by AsimovLives

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    JOHN CARTER (OF MARS)... a movie in development hell since 1932!!!

    by AsimovLives

    boggles the mind, doesn't it?

  • Well,it will surely be better than what you would have produced instead.HA.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Actually the people above who say that WALL-E is

    by KilliK

    an uneven movie,are correct.the first part of the movie is a true cinematic masterpiece,but the second part goes downhill becoming your typical popcorn,entetainment flick made to sell toys. I consider it way overrated and it didnt deserve the Oscar.That should have gone to the vastly superior Kung Fu Panda,but ofc Disney's loby wouldnt have allowed that. Another problem that i have with this movie is the hypocrisy and the irony that is hidden under its environmental message: While the movie preaches about how man's hyperconsumerism has destroyed the planet and affected his way of life,in reality the movie itself is all about selling millions of toys,videogames,dvds and all that unlimited merchandise which in the long turn will turn into a mountain of garbage. And that fact distracts me from enjoying the movie.At least with Avatar,regardless it's core themes and messages,Cameron does provide his movie with a hint of self- awareness,that it was capitalism that made this film possible: The scene in Ribisi's office where he is holding the Unobtainium and explains to Ripley that it is this small rock that pays her scientific research.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST

    well since global warming is a complete farce


    and Al Gore is just a con man, yeah Wall-E sucks to it's very core.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    oh did I mention


  • Dec. 2, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    asi - of course

    by Michael Lunney

    I saw both Flash Gordon serials as well as Buck Rogers, but for SHEER lunacy you have to see Gene Autry in the Phantom Empire!Robots with cowboy hats, a stairway to the center of the earth, and so much more!!!!!

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    oops - I meant all 3 Flash Gordon serials

    by Michael Lunney

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    3 Flash, that is

    by Michael Lunney

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Killik, on WALL-E

    by D.Vader

    The 2nd half isn't just your typical popcorn, entertainment flick, as I described up above. There's a lot more under the surface. Its very subversive and disguised.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    This ISN'T based off the PUFF DADDY song

    by eighttwelve

    It's based off the incredibly awesome song 'Kashmir', which Puff Daddy stole (I mean "sampled").

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    I find the marketing of this film to be very weird.

    by catlettuce4

    Not sure what they are going for, who they are trying to appeal to, or what they may have actually made... I guess time will tell. I'm kind of surprised at how mundane and old hat a lot of it looks though, visually. It's like they took this original book that has been borrowed from many times over the decades for other films, and then made it look more like the derivative stuff and less like the exotic and amazing thing it was in the first place. Odd decision to make it less exotic and more like stuff we have all seen before! I'm also not feeling the story or characters in these trailers. I'm thinking it's going to be a tough sell unless they at least hint at some kind of personal stakes and motivations in the trailers. As it stands, I know a guy ends up on an alien world and has to fight a lot, and there's a girl in it. Not much to make the uninitiated decide to go see this movie...

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    =Its very subversive and disguised.=

    by KilliK

    what was disguised?.give some examples please.

  • true.which begs the question.The Princess.does she take it in the ass? or not?

  • You tool

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    This is better...

    by apewithchain

    After weird posters and inscrutable title changes, this clip looks more like what I experienced in the book...only perhaps a little more so, judging from some scenes there. It won't have everything, but there hasn't been a Burroughs adaptation that captures everything on screen. Of course, I'm supplying my own context for these clips, from the books--the movie might not work out so well in its entirety. But this is promising. As for complaints that Avatar (or what-have-you) did it better, and that Mars could be more martian-y in these clips, my hunch is that the movie is deliberately not going in that direction just because of the fact the story's been ripped off so many times in those areas. What's left for a John Carter movie are those elements unique to the book, that haven't been endlessly pirated: in other words, a more personalized character story that gets its cues from Carter's experience. Or maybe it'll be "10,000 BC" all over again. We'll know soon enough. If it sucks, there'll be a remake. Heck, if it's successful, there'll be a remake.

  • Dec. 2, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    I gave my examples up above. I do not wish to repeat myself at the moment... Because at the moment, I am drunk. And I have to be up early in the morning for work. But suffice to say, the brilliance of its sci-fi is disguised in the second half of what appears to be a typical popcorn flick for kids. Instead, its a very subversive narrative that teaches kids that its okay to rebel, that leaders (the government, parents, people who make the rules) aren't always right, that those in charge can actually be oppressive to you and keep you from achieving your greatest potential. Watch it again and think about what you're seeing. You're watching a robot, who has learned how to experience human emotions, teach humans who have become so reliant on technology that they have become like robots themselves, following protocols and orders and commands. They only like what they are told to like. The shop what they are told to shop for. Its a totalitarian society, and it takes WALL-E to shake humanity from its shackles. The little robot who could is imprisoned for his beliefs, and he breaks out, freeing other political prisoners, all of which are artists and free-thinkers, robots who dared to go against their programming and did not do what they were "told". So, with a following of political prisoners and the formerly oppressed, WALL-E leads a rebellion against the oppressive government that keeps humanity from achieving its potential, and its only through his Christ-like sacrifice that a true revolution is able to occur. And this is all hidden underneath the sheen of a kids' movie. If you don't believe me, watch it again. The "malfunctioning" robots in "prison" are artists thinking outside the box. The totalitarian government and the humans following protocol and programming is more obvious than what was just mentioned, but its there too. Trust me. There is MUCH more going on under the surface than many give the movie credit for. And its all in a kids film! A kids film in which government is toppled by free-thinking rebels*! *Star Wars isn't the same

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST

    by 900LBGorilla

    Cheap CG, an absurd King Kong ripoff, lame looking action...and a lead actor who sounds like he's trying really hard to sound tough when he's really not. Oh and the story looks lame as hell too. Hey Stanton, if you wanted to make your own movie instead of a Princess of Mars- why didn't you just DO THAT instead of F-ing up what could have been a movie that actually somewhat resembles the book this turd is alleged based upon.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST


    by Xen11

    Thank you. I love you too.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Complaining about a "King Kong" ripoff and then wanting this to be more like the book. In which the 4-armed "White Apes" look even more like an ape than in this trailer; just another "King Kong" ripoff. Sheesh.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "a stairway to the center of the earth" Now i know where HOUSE OF LEAVES got it's inspiration! Those old Flash Gordon movies must be insane! i want to watch them. I was introduced to Flash Gordon due to th double whammy of the 1980s movie and a TV cartoon series which run at the time and of which i was absolutly addicted to. the kids wouldnt talk about anything else... until FUTURE BOY CONAN aired.

  • and the problem is, i believe, the marketing boffins are trying to use pre-conceived marketing tricks to this movie, which, frankly, will not work. Again, a studio is trying to bend a movie to themarketing, instead of the marketing bending to the movie. the marketing has to work for the move, not the other way around. Thia movie will need some outside the box marketing thinking to work.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    "Toy story 3 was also really dumb"?

    by menacingphantom

    Wow. It's Bizarro World me. I wish you had a website so I could go watch every single movie you hate.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by 900LBGorilla

    What is your point…that I should want Stan-ton to crap away the 1 shot in 100 years to make a movie about John Carter that barely resembles the classic source material? If Stan-ton wanted to make a non-Barsoom movie he SHOULD HAVE….he’s merely another Hollywood twit that erroneously thinks he knows better than the author of the book he is ripping off…and it looks like crap to boot….what a Douche.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    the movie was dead the moment they casted that manboy

    by chien_sale

    just like Conan

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    All Pixar Trailers suck. All of them.

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    It's almost a running gag with these guys - their trailers always stink, then the actual film comes out and people run out of effusive adjectives praising the movie to high heaven.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The point, 900 lb gorilla

    by D.Vader

    Was that you appeared to be criticizing this trailer, I assume the white ape in particular, to be a rip-off of King Kong, but then you also want this to be more faithful to the book. Which is odd, since most illustrations more faithful to the book show the white apes to look like gorillas, and Stanton went out of his way to make his ape-like, but not full on gorilla. So its odd you'd call his a King Kong ripoff (when it doesn't look like a true gorilla) and then want something more like the novel... which would *really* be the King Kong ripoff. Also, Stanton is far from being "he’s merely another Hollywood twit".

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Asimov I agree on the music

    by 900LBGorilla

    A couple years ago I pictured Ode to Joy as the trailers music (at least during the action part of he trailer). Unfortunately from the look of what I see in the trailers and have read about the story, no amount of Beethoven or Vangelis could have saved this shit-fest.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by 900LBGorilla

    I was criticizing every single thing about the trailer I thought that was apparent in all the topics I touched upon- acting (which looks awful), action, design choices (I didn’t even touch upon wardrobe, choice of actors and the horrific tattoos on a regal character who is “the most beautiful woman on 2 worlds“)….its pretty shit-tastic. The King Kong ripoff was merely icing on the cake of stupidity, Frankly, I have a decent amount of leeway with what I would have accepted without complaint…but a King Kong sized white ape screams over the top Hollywood retardation….the novel has had characteristics that would also allow a lot of leeway…but King Kong sized ain’t one of them. As to Stanton -all current evidence of his first foray into live action puts him FIRMLY in the camp of Hollywood twit. Indeed with his arrogant take on the subject matter and amateurish looking live action direction. he is looking to be an absolutely abysmal choice for this project.

  • Dec. 3, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by 900LBGorilla

    Also what story has been described by Stanton and the actors sounds stupid - and why does Woola look like a retarded Muppet?

  • Dec. 4, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The More I See The More I Want To See!

    by Real Deal

    Looking better everytime! Go John Carter!