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Lizard Concept Art From THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Movie??
Merrick here...
YESTERDAY we got a sense of The Lizard as he'll appear in Marc Webb's new AMAZING SPIDER-MAN movie.
Today...a look at concept art of the character. This comes to us via SpiderMedia, with a tip-of-the-hat to ComingSoon for noting it and posting it. CS indicates: The Lizard looks similar as to how he did in the Comic-Con clip, though he was more massive in the clip, so this may be an early version.
Staring Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone, TAS-M arrives in theaters July 2012.
In vaguely related news: Vulture reports that the much-troubled SPIDER-MAN: TURN OFF THE DARK musical appears to be "making money now." Really wanting to see that one for myself. Some people I know and trust have seen it and loved it. Other people I know and trust have seen it and haven't loved it. My four year old laughed at the TURN OFF THE DARK musical number featured during the recent Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade - make of that what you will.
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What?
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So say we all.
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And less CGI is always good news.
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Fail.
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The journalistic integrity here knows no bounds.
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If it's make up then I can live with it because at least it will be real. But if he is all CGI then why can't he have a snout like the comics?
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Seriously, who though that turning the lizard into a deformed human turtle flat faced freak would be a good idea? There's nothing menacing threre, it just looks like a cheap halloween costume or from some cheap home made horror movie.
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it's a guy. with lizard skin and tail.... and they are going to CG his every move to be faster and more weightless than human-lizardly possible because that what CG artists do with action movies.
they story better be damn compelling (it won't be) and the characters better have some dimension to them (they won't) or this is going to be yet another origin story and a less than exciting villain.
i can see the toys gathering dust on the shelves now. i can see all the Lizard merchandise and packaging getting dusty and sunfaded and going from walmart to big lots to the dollar tree. -
http://moviespics.wcgame.ru/data/2011-07-29/super-mario-bros-movie-goomba.jpg
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and from what i've seen in the previews, they have the doctor's character all wrong. instead of being a jekyl and hyde like personality (nice/villainous) they've made him out to be a an asshole right off the bad. another one sided villain....
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It's an improvement on the Pez dispenser.
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The actor can actually act with facial expression as opossed to a real lizard head.
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i hope they read our reactions and shit their pants.
so i guess spiderman is just pretty much cursed now, eh? -
And in my opinion, fairly terrible considering what we COULD have had.
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If you're going to make a movie as needless as this, at least try to make it look good.
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.. That with all the staggering accomplishments we've made in the fields of prosthetics, mechanical puppeteering, and CG animation, uninspired hacks can still make sure that the most mundane, ho-hum design concepts make the final cut. Sure, we could have gotten this:
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/uploads/2010/10/ifans-the-lizard-spiderman.jpg
or this:
http://people.wku.edu/david.hamm613/assets/lizard_revamp.jpg
or even just this:
http://www.toplessrobot.com/Spectacular%20Spider-Man%20v2%2013%20(16).jpg
.. but let's go with making a green, naked dude with turkey-neck. Why not? It's not like good visual design has ever saved a film before, right? Right? -
The design looks very similar to the make up design of the Drac aliens from the movie Enemy Mine.
Louis Gossett jr must be wondering why he never got a casting call :). -
Nov 30, 2011 11:36:32 AM CST
I am SO angry at this movie b/c it is making me NOT be excited for a Spidey movie! I anticpated with great excitement all 3 Spider-Man movies and this...
by dogmatic
one just falls completely flat for me. I LOVE SPIDEY! The first Spidey movie (though not the best of the 3) literally brought me to tears b/c I was seeing the first fictional character I ever loved brought to life on the big screen. And I was totally stoked out of my mind for every piece of info available for the next 2 films too. This one? I mean WHY??? Reworking the origin story to be more angst-y?? The ridiculous costume design when the one they designed for the Raimi flicks was a dead-on representation to show you CAN translate the original costume to screen. The ridiculous idea of The Lizard as the bad guy in an otherwise fairly realistic take on the Spidey mythos....when there are SO many other great villains to draw from?? And only ONE villain for that matter and you gotta make it one of the lamest Spidey villains??? Arrrrrgh....I was much more excited for a Dunst-less Tobey Maguire movie directed by Sam Raimi with The Vulture and Electro as was originally planned....siiiiiigh....
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I was hoping they would look like the ones from 80's Flash Gordon :)
And.. do people still care about this movie? -
Stupid musical every time you post something about Spider-Man?
They must be paying you to mention it. -
Nov 30, 2011 11:42:13 AM CST
..instead of saying The Spider-Man Comic is so awesome
by spazmatic1074
and I love the referance to this and that its...
Oh BTW I'm dying to see the musical *ding*
Sorry for the multiple posts. Ideas keep coming to my head during lunch break. -
Hence the more human face.
But I say FUCK THAT.
The Lizard IS a monster, unlike the previous Spidey villains seen onscreen (not counting Venom).
I fully believe you can get expressive and emotional moments from a design that would have been more animalistic, and that means a lizard-like snout like what's found in almost 50 years of comics.
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Unless that human mouth was attached to a Lizard snout. Could be done.
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Nov 30, 2011 11:45:34 AM CST
At least Hark dot com reported an actual pic of The Lizard in PEZ form!
by static007
Ain't It Slow News didn't get this scoop, apparently: http://blog.hark.com/2011/11/wanna-see-the-new-spider-man-villain/
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in fact, it's still below this thread
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they absolutely loved the design and hoped it didn't stray from the pex dispenser... HA
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knowledge is power.
i'm just picking on you. it's sadder that i check in here most everyday than that you missed that post the other day -
coincidence??????
pftt hahahhaha
Not surprising. It's like a lame attempt at damage control.
Anyway this looks like shit. That's not to say I'm not curious about the movie or think by default the movie will be bad. But yeah - this take on lizard sucks cock. -
They've clearly noticed that people wearing masks can't express emotion and are really dull to watch - see Spidey 1-3
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I don't think you understand what "journalistic integrity" means.
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Damn, I haven't been on the site in awhile to check. Oh well, I have more fun reading the fluffy posts on Hark.com anyways. At least they have Evil Dead 1 & 2 collections up and running for me to geek out on while Spider-Man continues to disappoint at every turn.
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.. Who's a giant lizard, need to be expressive? He's a reptile, he's cold and aggressive..
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what reads and looks like a silly but cool costumed character in the comics would be totally ridiculous onscreen in real life- a man with a big backpack and tail hanging off of his ass.
somehow doc ock works but scorpion won't.
on the other hand if they'd just stuck with the fantasical,animalistic comic version of the lizard and played it serious, it would be acceptable. i think it would have worked.
instead they went the realistic route, which ends up looking sillier than the comic version.
hey suits- we know that spiderman is not a 'realistic' comic- so don't try to make it one.
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other than an agitated or hungry crocodile or kimodo dragon, lizards are pretty timid and lethargic.
but i guess a villain that can be found sunning himself for 8 hours on the ledge of a brownstone just to get his blood temp up enough to maybe go get a sandwich would be pretty boring.
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like pet iguanas do????
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Nov 30, 2011 11:57:41 AM CST
Lame Nu-Spidey Lizard Suit < Lame Michael Chiklis Rubber Thing Suit
by has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet
Also, I just can't wait to watch first-person web slinging for 2 hours! (Add sarcastic tone)
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SO FUCKING GAY !!!!!!!
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Nov 30, 2011 12:00:01 PM CST
I've got a great idea - let's reboot a successful franchise, tell the same story, about the same people, in the same universe.
by no_more_comic_movies
No one will care. We'll make tons of money. It's like the "new" DC books. Same characters, same backstories, same worlds, same villains, same everything. You are buying stories you already know, like going to see a "new" Spiderman movie, where everything is fundamentally the same.
*sigh*
It's like monthly comics - buy our soap operas, where nothing changes, nothing long-term happens, and you spend $4 on 19-22 pages of lazy, stretched out, hacky story-telling that conveys 1/6th of an actual story, and you finish reading in 10 minutes.
CASH GRAB.
Seriously, does anyone *not* know the first hour of this movie going in? You're buying a ticket to see the same story you already paid to see and already know, but with younger, more emo casting.
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Building a movie around the Lizard as a villain always seemed like a bad idea to me. They never used Kraven, Vulture, Scorpion or Mysterio yet, and they go with a weak monster movie homage like the Lizard? Sony is the new stupid of comic book movies.
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Nov 30, 2011 12:01:53 PM CST
why oh why did they have to make the lizard a muscle-bound action figure?
by dahveed1972
all they had to do was take a komodo dragon, anthropomorphize it as little as necesary, and voila. why the fuck does he have to look like a roided out body builder?
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Nov 30, 2011 12:13:51 PM CST
dahveed, uhhh... he doesn't look like a roided out body builder in this picture
by d.vader
Unless you're referring to the rumor that he's Hulked out in the movie (and Comic-Con footage), which I agree, is a terrible idea.
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Nov 30, 2011 12:15:08 PM CST
Give him a hammer and a hammer-flinging brother and you got the Hammer Bros.
by the krypton kid
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Nov 30, 2011 12:15:09 PM CST
Without a lab coat, it's just a generic lizard man opposed to The Lizard.
by super rabbi
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Nov 30, 2011 12:16:30 PM CST
NOT EVEN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. THIS WHOLE PROJECT SOUNDS BAD, FROM APPROACH, CASTING, TO VISUAL ELEMENTS
by darth busey
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Because this is the size he should be not some roid raging lizard monster. Still no lab coat which really sucks and kind of proves the people behind this movie aren't fans.
I have no faith in this movie. Everything we've seen has been bad... Really bad. I've been openly hoping this bombs(Won't happen) just to see what Sony would do. -
Nov 30, 2011 12:21:17 PM CST
Looks like they photoshopped the head of the Pez dispenser...
by joaquin_ondamoon
...onto what could have been a cool 'body'. But I agree, he's not Connors without the lab coat.
So disinterested in this film in all ways....
Maybe if no one goes to see it, Sony will give the rights back to Marvel....
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Nov 30, 2011 12:22:00 PM CST
To the 500 people that said it yesterday during the Pez talkback
by samuel fulmer
Bring back Torment Lizard. The early 90's was the only time I gave a crap about comics, and it seems to be a time that is sorely unreflected in any of these comics adaptations. It's like X-Men. The last movie was preaty good, but really, there's just too much of this "It's gets better" stuff that makes the social commentary so on the nose that even George Romero would frown watching it. Give me the Jim Lee/Claremont X-Men damn it!!!! Just like Spider-Man. Give me the ass kicking mid to late 20's Parker that was married to a super model and was having epic battles with Venom, Lizard, and Kraven as oppossed to the emo shit with power rangers villans we've been exposed to now for the past decade.
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Here's how it goes down...
Peter's parents die or "mysteriously" disappear.
Peter lives with his aunt and uncle.
Gwen Stacy becomes Peter's love interest, but, of course, they inexplicitly cannot be together.
The Lizard's transformation parallels Peter's.
Peter learns how to become Spider-Man through fighting The Lizard.
He defeats The Lizard, becomes well known within the city, yet, people are still not sure if he's a good guy.
Osborn makes an appearance at the end of the film revealing the plans of what will ultimately turn him into the Green Goblin.
SEQUEL: Its the Green Goblin origin storyline, with Gwen standing in for Mary Jane.
Uncle Ben dies, and maybe Gwen.
Everyone hails it as a "serious" comic book film, because of this.
Mary Jane finally appears.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
Bruce's parents get killed, he has to live with Alfred.
Rachel Dawes becomes his love interest, yet, they cannot be together.
Ghul teaches Bruce to become Batman.
He defeats Ghul, becomes more well known in the city, but, people aren't sure if he's good.
The Joker makes an appearance at the end (even if its just on a card).
SEQUEL: Joker (who is more well known) is the main villain.
Rachel dies.
And, of course, the films will be "realistic".
Just look at the design for The Lizard.
It screams "We're taking this seriously!"
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Quick we need congress to hold a special hearing on this!
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Looks exactly like Ditko's original designs.
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Sorry I prefer Crocodile Dentist Lizard myself. That's some menacing shit. This looks like Land of the Lost.
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Is it a coincidence that a leaked image of this comes online one day after the fiasco of the PEZ Candy dispenser image of THE LIZARD? I think not. These guys are hard at work trying to put a positive spin on this. So many correlations were made with THE LIZARD looking just like a Killer Croc/Hulk that a negative buzz started all over the image. (Mind you - the final version may end up being something very different - and the comic con footage/images do look like a different version to me than what we've seen these past few days)
THE LIZARD is my all time favorite Spidey Villain - so I'm going to be vocal about it more than I ever am. And yet - I've never seen him look more ridiculous in the past few days (including this image just posted). The body seems okay - but what is up with that head? It doesn't work Mr. Webb & SONY. What are you guys thinking? You want people to laugh at your villain?
I know why they chose to keep a more humanoid face. Studios are notorious for trying to humanize their bad guys for maximum effect. But it just makes this version of THE LIZARD look stupid. It just does. I want an actual LIZARD head/long snout and all on this mother f*cker. I want those huge fangs to snap at Spider like a f*ckin RAPTOR on ACID. Just having a more Raptor like head is going to catch the eyes of all the dinosaur fanatics and draw more people to see a cool looking villain. He's not an INTELLECTUAL BAD GUY. He's the polar opposite of his human side.
Connors goes from being one of Peter's smartest and closest friends, to becoming a primal REPTILE gone crazy. It's the tragedy and Jekyll & Hyde nature of the character. And this imagery I'm sorry to say - disappoints even me. Someone who has been waiting for a cool live action version of THE LIZARD since Raimi started the whole thing ten years ago.
Okay okay. I'm gonna stop. And try and move on with my life, damn it.
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Much better versions of THE LIZARD done before:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/the%20lizard%20spiderman/anotherstateofmind77/comic%20stuff/Lizard.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/the%20lizard%20spiderman/BlueEasy/lizard3-1.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs38/f/2008/316/a/c/Spiderman_vs__The_Lizard_Bust_by_FritoFrito.jpg
http://media.photobucket.com/image/lizard%20spider-man%20mtv/servewithchips/26b44fd4.jpg
http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2011/07/Spider-Man-4-The-Lizard.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27710/522425-93626_109461_lizard_super.jpg
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Nov 30, 2011 12:33:00 PM CST
head is too round needs a two small lines of horns like lizards have sometimes
by angrykirby.tk
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To play Kraven the Hunter in the next film.
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to me
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What happened to his junk?
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Nov 30, 2011 12:38:20 PM CST
Swinging Lizard Junk is going to distract swinging Spider-man
by domi'sinnerchild
I thought we covered comic book dongs with Watchmen. Making it green and scaley does not break new ground.
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Does it justify 30 dollar ticket prices....I don't know?
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First we get black crotch pee pee Spiderman,
with silver slippers, and now Dr. Curt Connors looks like a DS9 extra.
Where's the pants and lab coat?
I always thought that was what was so cool about the Lizard.
This design seriously looks like shit.
Anybody saying it's like this so the actor can have facial expression is wrong in my opinion.
And animatronic bad guy like the one in Galaxy Quest would have been 10 times better than this.
I fucking love Spiderman and this aint it.
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Too bad it's not Charlie Sheen. Who wouldn't want to see Uncle Ben go out Tony Montona style while screaming "Winnnning!!!" With great snorting comes great responsibility.
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Nov 30, 2011 12:48:09 PM CST
usually there're a few talkbackers saying "hell yeah" or "awesome"...can't actually see anyone saying ANYTHING positive...yep: IT'S SH*T!!!!
by marineboy
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At least it doesn't look pixelated or 2D.
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Nothing good can come from Dr. Conners with no pants. Nothing.
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That picture means nothing. They are just showing what the body of the Lizard looks like. Chances are, he will be wearing some clothes in the movie. The lab coat is iconic.
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Yes it is.... (500) Days of Summer was SHIT.
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...the hideous, melty-faced bastard offspring of Richard Lynch and Billy Drago. With a long, floppy cock between his legs. Where's his lab coat? Where are his purple Hulkpants?!
Should have gone with Stegron the Dinosaur Man. Come on, just listen to the built-in awesome of that. He's a man. Who looks like a dinosaur. Unless, of course, the visually-impaired tit who designed this version of the Lizard ended up designing Stegron for a film. In which case, he'd look like Stegron the Billy Drago Man. -
Guys, this is actually closer to the original design than the McFarlane'd out, snouty Lizard.
Check this out:
http://hiveofscum.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/the-spider-man-challenge-day-7-amazing-spider-man-6/
I understand that we're all used to the more 'crocodile' snout that has been used more recently, but it really seems that they're trying to stick close to the origins of the character (IE: Gwen Stacy being his first love, mechanical web shooters, etc..). It's only fitting that they use a design a little closer to the original. And who knows? He may actually be wearing a lab coat at some point in the movie. We won't know until we see it. Fanboy kneejerk reaction is getting as old as this website's lack of updating, seriously... -
I agree 100%. The practical effects work in GQ is superb and Sarris is a fantastic villain. Even something as simple as those lionfish spines that pop up when he gets pissed just makes for a more impacting presence on screen. (Galaxy Quest is a great movie on many levels actually!).
This new Lizard also reminds me of Voldemort and the lizards from V mixed together.
What's worse though is the voice - I'm sure you can find it online if you look. Rhys-Davies said it won't be amped up with effects but is really his own voice doing what sounds like a really shitty cookie monster voice after cookie monster mistook a small plate of hot, steamy shit for a cookie and was forced at gunpoint to speak immediately after eating said plate of hot, steamy shit.
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Hey maybe we should go back to a flattop Peter Parker wearing sweater vests and a freckled out Flash Thompson a la Amazing Fantasy 15!
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to give him the long snout, and white lab coat - I mean as someone already said, that may as well be a man in prosphetics.
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Why can't these assholes that make super hero films just translate the look from the comic to the screen as closely as possible. I loved the comic and cartoon Lizard, snout, eyes, lab coat and all. This looks like a V alien. And it's BLAND, the worst cinematic crime of all. Production designers think they can "improve" iconic characters and it's all ego-driven bullshit. Not that I care because sitting through ANOTHER origin of Spider-Man story (5 animated versions,a 70's tv version and now a second theatrical version??? We get it already. He was bitten by a fucking radioactive spider!) is enough for me to boycott this anyways.
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.......is this being an early version or lizard in mid-transformation or something.
lol I don't fucking know.
1 - tattered white lab coat
2 - shredded pants
3 - snout
c'mon it's not rocket science
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Ι dont know how it will look in real life,but the design is really awful.Looks like a combination of a neardental and Hulk.
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Nov 30, 2011 1:24:40 PM CST
i have never slated something without getting the facts/whole picture but..
by icanthavethat
..this is looking really shit, i mean really shit, just shit. shit.
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Nov 30, 2011 1:27:58 PM CST
James Earl Jones' Conan snake face from '82 BLOWS THIS AWAY.
by quake ii
I'm glad this movie isn't something I care about. I'll focus my worries towards TDKR and Avengers (although I have faith those will deliver).
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It's a Voldemort reject design, for me
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this looks just terrible, & I really want to hope that this 'reboot' is something awesome but from the looks of the trailer and this concept art, my hopes are beginning to fade. I think my son could've come up with a cooler looking Lizard than this & he's only 5.
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It was embarrassing. Truly shitty. I'm a huge Spidey fan from the comics to the movies but no hero deserves the heaping pile of crap they served to us on Thanksgiving morning. They won't get a dollar from me.
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http://www.mcwetboy.net/snakesonfilm/images/conan.jpg
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The fact that it is yet another fucking origin story means that the only way I'll go to see it is if my son makes me take him and I can't talk him out of it.
Why we need another origin is beyond me. Does anyone in the know have any idea if they do this to keep costs down? It seems that a lot of superhero movies take away the super powers far too often; All 3 Spiderman movies have done it, 1 Peter doesn't have powers at the start, 2 he loses his powers for a while and 3 he just dons eyeliner and dances for what seems like hours etc. Without powers they are just filming regular people walking and talking which has to be a lot cheaper right? Am I talking shit or is this why they are doing an origin? -
How many of you hypocrites paid to see that dried turd?
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"Yes I am!"
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My first thought too..
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Nov 30, 2011 2:19:37 PM CST
At least these designs are somewhat based on Ditko's Lizard
by nerd rage
What classic artist are Sam Raimi's Green Goblin 1 and Green Goblin 2 based on? Oh that's right, Raimi pulled those shitty designs from his ass!
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Nov 30, 2011 2:20:40 PM CST
The revamped version of Turn off the Drak is flipping brilliant!
by steverodgers5
I have no idea how bad the original Julie Taymore version of Spiderman Turn off the drak was, as I'm in the UK and didn't get to see it, but over the summer when on holiday in New York I did take a chance on the new version, and flipping well loved it!
Reeve Carney was fantastic in the lead role, and really nailed it 100%. (Though it helped that he had genuine chemistry with Jennifer Damiano's MJ, who he's supposedly dating in real life!) And I can see why there's been so many accidents. It's insanely ambitious in the types of stunts they try to do both on stage and above the audiences heads. But they definitely nailed Spidey's moves
And Reeve Carney played Peter Parker as a genuinelly likeable and witty young guy who was misunderstood, but nonetheless always heroic. Just like the Peter of the comics. And completely unlike Tobey MacGuire's I've got two facial expressions (Befuddled Dumb and and even Dumber still) mumbling, shambling, slow witted and cowardly moron!
I will never forgive Raimi for casting him, just because Tobey reminded him of himself in high school.
Nor will I forgive Raimi for that scene in Spiderman 2 where Peter after losing his powers, and seeing an old guy getting assaulted by three teens, puts his head down and slinks away leaving the old guy to who knows what fate?
(Contrast this with the comics and cartoons where Peter fought the sinister six without his powers. That's six of his deadliest villains and he took them on without his super powers!)
Not to mention the utter fucked up mess Raimi made of the Green Goblin, and how he let his hatred of the Venom character influence him in cutting that character down to the bare minimum in Spiderman 3.
No, losing Raimi and Macguire and casting Andrew Garfield as Spidey can only be an improvement there.
But I do agree with the posters above, in that I don't like what they've done with the Lizard. I don't like the design of his face..(I know it's like Ditko's but that's not the way the Lixard has been illustrated for most of the last 40 odd years,) and I don't like the actor playing him.
But I do like the rest of the cast, so hopefully that will keep the movie from sucking. If we finally get a decent Spidey on the big screen, maybe that'll help make up for the villain's shortcomings.
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Damn this site and the lack of an edit button. (And my crappy typing!)
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The more I see, the less I care for this cynical cash grab.
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Green Goblin is perhaps one of the hardest villains to portray onscreen. I don't blame Raimi fully for that one, especially when he was given a hodge-podge of studio scripts to work with and it was the first truly big-budget Marvel superhero movie in an, at that time, unproven genre.
Goblin 2, however, eh, what did we as fans want? Hobgoblin? How would that make sense?
(yeah, I wanted Hobgoblin, but dramatically it just doesn't work... then again, a Goblin helmet doesn't work either... see what I mean? Gobby is just nothing but problems for the bigscreen!)
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I'm saving my money for Batman and The Avengers...
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according to the PEZ dispenser. So anyone that deems that to be integral to the quality of the film can rest easy.
There have been some missteps in Lizard character designs in the comics. Sometimes he's enormous, sometimes he's purple, sometimes he has a bulbous head, sometimes he has fins.
I never understood why character redesigns in the PAGES OF THE COMIC BOOKS is somehow more forgivable than film adaptations.
This movie could have much bigger problems than not making its primary villain a velociraptor.
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Nov 30, 2011 2:27:03 PM CST
In the 70's and 80's we had some great practicle creature designs: ET, The Thing, Alien, Predator, etc; but now we just get generic CGI bland sfx.
by drstrangerlove
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http://tinyurl.com/bt947f5
Oh and here's this. http://tinyurl.com/74mnmoa
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But at least someone pissed on the Lizard and made it "his own".
First the webless basketball headed costume, then the Enemy Mine badguy-- This movie looks like it was designed in 1983.
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Of all the movies to consider a cash grab why would you consider the artsy, dark, grounded version of Spider-man a cash grab? Batman Forever was a cash grab. This a big budgeted experimental indie film.
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Looking at this you would never know they did successful CGI lizards that could express some sort of emotion waaaay back in 1993's "Jurassic Park." Instead we get a guy with green psoriasis?
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Nov 30, 2011 2:43:45 PM CST
So if you come up with a reptile serum that allows you to grow back your severed arm...
by has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet
...it has the undesired side effect of eliminating your 'nads???
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No excuses for Raimi fucking that one up. I've seen concept work that looked exactly like the comics. And Green Goblin 2, a snowboarder with a paintball mask. Are you fucking kidding me?
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First you have to decide if the Goblin will emote or not. In the comics and in the cartoon, the mask seems to be a real face, and by that I mean it can blink, it can change expressions, it can open its mouth to laugh or turn into a sneer.
So, are you going to go that way? And then if you are, how are you going to pull it off? With a mixture of makeup and a latex mask?
Okay, now for the sake of realism and believability, is it believable this villain would spend so much time doing this and have the artistry needed to pull it off?
Well then say you just go with a latex mask. So now the audience is watching a villain run around yelling through a latex mask. That could make sense, yes, the man is crazy enough to do that.
But does that work visually for the movie? For audiences? Again, this is the FIRST big-budget Marvel movie (I don't count X-Men), so they need to be careful with what they hope the audience will buy into and go along with.
Then there's the whole Bat Glider thing and how to make that palpable. They decided to incorporate the Goblin mask with some sort of mind-control device that allows the wearer to fly the glider. Cool idea, I'll give them that.
And they decided to go with a non-emoting Goblin mask, BUT had the forethought to give the helmet the ability to remove the eye lenses, so we can see the villainy in his eyes, and have a screen over the mouth so we can see him deliver lines.
Otherwise you have a hero and villain talking to each other the whole movie and the audience never sees their faces.
Its a bit more difficult than you think, Nerd Rage, having to answer all these questions, make something interesting visually, and then also answer to the suits way above you who might complain about how stupid one thing looks or how unbelievable another is.
Yes, I think the Goblin Is one of the hardest Spidey villains to pull off visually.
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Nov 30, 2011 2:54:48 PM CST
"they're trying to stick close to the origins of the character (IE: Gwen Stacy being his first love, mechanical web shooters, etc..). It's only fitting that they use a design a little closer to the original"
by fat_rancor_keeper
---it really seems that they're trying to stick close to the origins of the character (IE: Gwen Stacy being his first love, mechanical web shooters, etc..). It's only fitting that they use a design a little closer to the original. ---
Well no, I have to disagree. Look at Spidey's costume for starters. It's a much more sleek looking design than the one in the original comics. Lot's of changes here and there.
So I don't think this is a case of them wanting to stick to the original source material. This is just a case of Lizard being a shitty design. -
Nov 30, 2011 2:56:24 PM CST
"This movie could have much bigger problems than not making its primary villain a velociraptor."
by fat_rancor_keeper
correction - a velociraptor with purple pants and a white coat.
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The helmet idea is serviceable, but I would have given the Goblin more than the green test suit worn by that guy in the lab. If Osborn is going to modify the helmet into the Goblin face, at least he can do is add some flare to that suit too, I think the audience would have bought that (though maybe not the exact representation from the comics).
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why do u want to see his dick...you freaks
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You are spot on. And that's a major problem with the design of this version of THE LIZARD. How is it - he can grow an arm, a tail, talons etc but he still has a clearly human face? This screams STUDIO EXECS all over it. "No we need to see the humanity in the character so we can relate and sell more tickets." Uggg
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Nekkid Lizard? EEWWW!
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What? It doesn't look anything like Ditko's original design. And even it was - I'm not looking forward to a character look that was cool back in 1963 when most everything else in these SM movies has been updated to be more contemporary and cool looking. The head is terrible (I just recently caught on to all the bad "V" references going around too).
Not to mention the clothing issue that other people bring up that's really such an iconic part of the character. (I'm sure SONY thought, "Take off the clothes so everyone can see how much thought went into the textures we used on his skin. They will get the geeks all excited about our very reptile version of the LIZARD character!!") LOL
I really hope this is a mid-transformation design. Again cause of the images from Comic-Con make it seem like this image isn't the final one. -
I thought the version in Rami's film looked awful, but it is kind of hard to have the literal comic book look of that one translate unless you go in Speed Racer 2007 style. Hobgoblin in part 3 was sort of a step in the right direction (at least no metal suit), but his face mask made Franco look like D. Dark from Street Fighter EX plus Alpha.
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Nov 30, 2011 3:18:50 PM CST
HONESTLY if this was just some random pic from a designer's portfolio.....
by fat_rancor_keeper
.........would any of you look at it and say "Oh it's Lizard from Spiderman!"
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http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs21/f/2007/291/e/9/e9c050a0d790adb5.jpg
This illustrates to me that The Lizard isn't just a green lizard dude.
Nice costume by the way. Not movie quality but the design is definitly on the right track. -
I'd rock the hell out of that on Halloween. a high budget version of that - maybe with some subtle cg enhancements and we'd have an awesome lizard.
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...I really don't think its going to work at all. You seem to be getting everything wrong...Spidermans suit, the lizard.....telling the origin story again. Its just a mess guys, not even the mega fans of spiderman have any faith in it...its 2011 we shouldnt be making awful superhero movies anymore.
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I'm neither enthusiastic nor releuctant about it. i'm just watching it go by. reading the reactions about the movie is like visiting a zoo, i see the creatures moving about and shoputing at each other, and it means almost nothing to me.
i guess i'm just very uninvolved in regard to this movie. i'll really need to watch it to have a reaction to it. -
Nov 30, 2011 3:41:55 PM CST
@Zombre: lol! That looks like a grown up version of the 'V'/human hybrid baby!
by joaquin_ondamoon
http://www.zap2it.com/media/photo/2009-07/48042508.jpg
But I still prefer it over the 'concept' art.
I still say CGI the head.
Blasphemy, I know.
But still - better than 'V's baby-daddy.
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Suck.
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and resume work on spiderman 4?
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...who knows nothing about this movie who that is supposed to be they will never guess.
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Everybody hates it already.
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Nov 30, 2011 4:13:13 PM CST
Wasn't this movie fast tracked because Sony didn't want to lose
by samuel fulmer
The film rights to Spider-Man. That's never a good sign. Don't forget the WGA strike rush jobs from a few years back, and of course Roger Corman's Fantastic Four.
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Nov 30, 2011 4:13:32 PM CST
Lizard has mad jedi skills. Check out that green lightsaber.
by grammaton cleric binks
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Remember When Harry could give fuck all about get invites to sets? And would publish anything he could, Remember when appeasing Directorial scum like Michael Bay and McG was the last thing Harry would do? Remember when the Reviews didn't sound like they written by a character from Robot Chicken? What I wouldn't give to get that Harry back.
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when did that happened? must had been way before my time.
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from Rise of the Apes.
Lol.
Every stylistic and narrative choice made in this production is so obviously shit that it's hilarious.
First the new improved suit, that has garter straps, no belt, silver booties and looks like he pissed his pants.
Then the new and improved take on Peter Parker that removes his science-geekyness and makes him a depressed little emo kid.
Oh and the dark and serious take on a funny book movie, trying to ape Nolan.
And now lizard monkey. Looking forward to seeing this bomb. -
Nov 30, 2011 4:47:58 PM CST
I keep waiting to see something good related to this film...
by googam_son_of_goom
...and waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting...
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was it a happy 'i love it' laugh or a 'haha this is dumb' kind of laugh. ...or perhaps a 'hahahahahaha... i am going to take over the world' maniacal laugh?
maniacal laugh..... maniacal laugh..... maniacal laugh..... (Muppet movie quote) -
Nov 30, 2011 4:55:41 PM CST
To the people who constantly point out how little they care about ASM
by nerd rage
Good, now you know how I felt about the overrated Raimi films.
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Nov 30, 2011 4:57:56 PM CST
There is no such thing as a subjective "FACT!" when it comes to judging aesthetics, assholes.
by krinkle
And typing it in all-caps and adding an exclamation point doesn't make it any more effective. Fact.
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Nov 30, 2011 5:03:32 PM CST
nerd rage: this project looks like a TV version of one of the Raimi movies
by googam_son_of_goom
The hope now should be that this movie can rally to muster enough spirit to be as good as Spider-Man 3... which is sad. I would have accepted a reboot, if it looked like it was going to be awesome.
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Buddy of mine has a Leach's gecko, and it has a seriously bad temperament. It's aggressive, quick, bitey. Reptiles can be pretty nasty; they're not all ambush predators.
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Nov 30, 2011 5:22:39 PM CST
Nothing, anything, no news from this movie makes me feel exited, every new story just gives more fuel to the LAMEMOVIL...
by bloodawn5
Seriously how half-assed this design looks, seriously, no labcoat, no musculature, no lizard features, just random reptile face guy with some scales on his body, seriously this looks terrible. I dont complain just because Im a hater, I really loved the spiderman series, and just look what we have to this day: Lame crepusculesque Spiderman trailer, skinny hipster guy with fingerless gloves acting as spiderman, fuck sometimes things cant change, this is really dissapointing, really dissapointing...
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I can understand wanting to preserve the actor's facial expressions, but c'mon... PIXAR was able to make Wall-E -- essentially a pair of binoculars rather than a face -- deeply expressive.
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Nov 30, 2011 5:57:21 PM CST
The darker, more grounded, less cheesy version seems like the tv version?
by nerd rage
Do you mean tv as in HBO because this has a more adult, indie feel to it than Raimi's bubblegum version.
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Personally, I would much prefer the "classic" look of the early Ditko Lizard. But putting that aside, my issue with this design is that it is so generic... blah... just... unimaginative. If you are going to scrap the classic look, at least give me something with a sense of style and imagination. I might still not go for it, but this? Just... meh.
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the whole movie is gay save for emma stone
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Maybe it's because I'm not that bothered about watching another origin story so I'm not holding my breath in excitement for this movie but I don't think that lizard is ALL bad.
As far as the snout is concerned I'd much rather see a face with makeup and prosthetics that can show emotion and acting than a crappy CGI (Venom anyone??) snout that just breaks the immersion because it's so obviously not real.
Honestly if they could make a CGI snout that would look good on film that would be awesome but I'd much rather go for believable and good than absolutely true to the source material and bad.
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It's the face letting it down but may look better in motion. I would have liked to see the lab coat and shredded cloths though, it does actually make sense.
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Nov 30, 2011 7:04:22 PM CST
Sony, spidey was always my favourite comic-book hero, but t
by cervantes
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Nov 30, 2011 7:06:50 PM CST
oops- ...but please just start again, as this thing looks shit in every aspect!
by cervantes
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Nov 30, 2011 7:15:24 PM CST
THe CHIPPENDALES LIZARD....WHHERE'S THE ICONIC BOW TIE
by wilford_brimleys_diabetes_rage
This isn't a supervillian...dude looks like he should be getting dollar bills stuffed in his man-thong by desperate sweaty fat girls
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Make it a revolutionary 'second skin' meant to be used by burn victims and developed by Oscorp.
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Killer Croc + Enemy Mine + Super Mario Bros - [anything resembling the actual comic Lizard] = Another Reason Not to See This Movie
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He doesn't look bad like this but at the same time it's nothing special. Perhaps he starts like this and "degenerates" into something MORE lizard like we're familiar with that kinda looks like a t-rex and a person had a kid.
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Everything about this film does.
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http://i.imgur.com/y9tZk.jpg
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Nov 30, 2011 8:44:56 PM CST
I've been reading essential Spidey vol 1.. don't fool yourself into this being closer to the source material
by darthsaul666
Acutally the changes to story for the reboot that are already known sound way farther than what Raimi ever did. Well except for Spidey 3. Those fooling themselves that this will be a truer version of Spidey should drink some more Kool - Aid.
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Nov 30, 2011 8:49:23 PM CST
Xmen 1st class dodged the canon shitstorm it could have easily had
by darthsaul666
But then again Xmen movies have never been really that close to the source so I guess I'm not to suprised.
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That's exactly NOT how it happens in the comic.
Not a bad idea, though, him turning Goblin-ish. Except that would imply its a Jekyl and Hyde thing when in reality, Osborn IS the Goblin. -
See my above posts on how difficult the Goblin is to translate to the bigscreen.
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Can't they ever fucking get these things right?!! This concept Lizard looks like shit. It's simple, give him a real fucking lizard head that looks like a fucking lizard...and a fucking lab coat as well. Jeez.
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Fact!
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Nov 30, 2011 9:50:54 PM CST
I have a weird feeling that this movie is going to be a sleeper
by kammich
Besides a spike in attention when the costume was revealed, this movie has been pretty much abandoned and left to sink into the shuffle. The comic con footage was noted and quickly forgotten, as has pretty much every other production development.
Yet there's still nothing known of the plot. And the casting is pretty much spot-on. And the director seems to be a good fit in the material.
I have a feeling that this movie is going to get lost amongst "The Avengers" and "The Dark Knight Rises" and all the other huge tent pole flicks coming out next Summer, but I'd venture to predict that it will be one of the more well-received films of the summer. I think everyone is going to go in with low expectations, and I think everyone behind the film is highly motivated to make a damn good reboot(this is a make-or-break film for the 'star' careers of Garfield, Stone, Ifans and Webb). It reminds me a bit of "Batman Begins" in that regard. Low profile. Motivated crew. Tempered expectations. The result? Awesome movie. -
it is this very sewer of a website we are posting on of course, we harry cox, but certainly there are concerns concerning the lizard cock. Is it there?
Is it visible?
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ASM started up really quick after SPIDERM4N got killed. I'm shocked that some of the more vehement haters don't bring that up too often. Not to mention the whole as little CGI as possible angle reminds me the Snakes on Plane ad campain.
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True, but it also had most of its casting done last summer, and started principal photography in December of last year. Thats more than 19 months from the start of lensing to the release of the film, which is pretty strong compared to some of the other blockbuster expectants like TDKR and the Avengers(each one being about 6 months less than Spider-man).
I dunno, maybe I just *want* to like this movie. I've been getting good vibes from it, I'm not sure why. -
Actually, they look more like the comics lizard than that...
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Looks like one of those cheap aliens from Star Trek, the original series.
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Though The Avengers has been sort of gestating since the 1st Iron Man. I can't say I have a die hard Asimov Lives Nu Trek kind of hate for ASM. I just think if I read another "this will be the most authentic take of Spider-Man ever!" comment I might go punch a baby or something. Spidey's parents, No JJJ or Daily Bugle, the ultimate Spidey highschool setting, and a trailer that has the only Spidey scene being admittedly %100 CGI, have me wanting to wait for Netflix on this one.
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Godawful. Sad, just sad.
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...Dylan Baker is amused.
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No matter how you cut it, that's not a great interpretation of the Lizard. For me, I think it's bordering on blah and horrible.
http://batstud.blogspot.com/ -
Dec 01, 2011 1:33:58 AM CST
So what if there's no Daily Bugle and it includes Parker's parents in a flashback?
by nerd rage
That's the best reasons you can find that prove this movie betrays the comics? Raimi threw away the iconic Green Goblin mask, mechanical webshooters, The Death of Gwen Stacy, the random killer of Uncle Ben, WISECRACKS, and super attractive Mary Jane. This new Spider-man film sets out to fix most of those misguided omissions. The only thing the Raimi flicks did was capture the innocence and cheese of the Ditko era. Who wants to keep revisiting that endlessly? You want the Vulturess? Fuck off! We all watched the runny shit that was SM3 now it's time for webshooters, wisecracks and a proper Gwen Stacy story arc wrapped in a grounded, relateable comic-verse.
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I'm not one of these haters or naysayers. I like to give positive feedback where i can... Here though... I just can't. THat is laughably bad.
I don't mind the human face, it makes more sense then suddenly growing a snout, but the over all design and feel of the character is awful.
It looks likea man in a suit, I don't feel like i could believe that he is the lizard.
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No Daily Bugle in Spidey is like no daily planet for Superman... Technically Betty Brandt is Spidey 1st girlfriend and met her working at the Daily Bugle. So the love story is still not really accurate. Spidey's parents were SHIELD agents. That angle will be fucked. Spidey's sense of humor didn't develope until iss# 10. So Spidey was rather humorless for about the 1st year. Not to mention Spidey graduated high school in Amazing Fantasy iss# 15. Spidey in high school is purely Ultimates line. Gobie mask? Well he had one. Raimi did get some things spot on. Sure not everything & undid a lot of what was spot on in 3.But I'm highly suspect with so much against the new flick so far and this is without seeing it. And it's being touted as accurate? This reminds me of how Snakes on a Plane was marketed.
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Dec 01, 2011 3:23:42 AM CST
Looks good to me. We still havent seen his head in profile. Looks like it could be a bit snouty....
by didntpulloutintimecop
The Raimi films, while they came in a time when we weren't spoiled by good superhero movies, are totally forgettable.
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about the specifics of Betty Brandt as the first love, Parker's parent working for the wrong organization and if Spider-man became funny in year one or two. Even the biggest nitpickers of the most hardcore fans don't give a shit about that stuff. You're really grasping at straws in desperation, looking for anything that betrays the comics. But things that Raimi did like merge Gwen and MJ, omit mechanical webshooters, omit wisecracks, omit the death of Gwen Stacy, change Uncle Ben's killer in mid-franchise, use an ugly Mary Jane Watson, have Peter Parker dancing like an idiot with an emo cut, etc. are all things that betray the source material and cheat the fans.
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taking the expansion of this rebooted universe slowly.Which is a good thing if you ask me.They can focus more on the characters and the origin story.
Something tells me that the new Superman movie and this movie will have many common things on how they will tell the origin stories. -
Dec 01, 2011 3:34:20 AM CST
Not only did Willem Dafoe already look like the Goblin...
by iowa snot client
But Bobby Peru would have been a scarier villain. I'll tear your fuckin' heart out, Spider-Man!
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"I'm.....(pause)...The Lizard!".
$2 says that's in the script. -
Dec 01, 2011 6:14:09 AM CST
It has that same dead eyed look as the crap from 'I am Legend'
by dryllion
Typical computer generated blandness.
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Dec 01, 2011 6:46:04 AM CST
"Green Goblin is perhaps one of the hardest villains to portray onscreen."
by scratchmonkey
Not at all. You do the Goblin similarly to the goblins in Ridley Scott's 'Legend', whose design still hold up today. Osborn's mask should have been full-facial goblin prosthetics which, in the movie, could be removed by the character a la the Mission: Impossible masks. That way, you'd have a fairly faithful representation of the Green Goblin from the comics and the on-screen character could emote just like any regular actor.
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I like in this film that Aunt May isn't 200 y/o and MJ or is it Gwen? Isn't played by a glassy-eyed skank with dead weeds for hair.
Although retelling the origin story is dumber than dumb. Should have started off with Peter fresh out of college, struggling to make a living and take it from there. -
Dec 01, 2011 8:28:44 AM CST
Hope this means no Ultimate Green Goblin crap in the sequel
by crusher creel
Cause a guy transforming into another green monster ain't gonna be original.
Time for the Green Goblin we all wanted to see in the first place assholes.
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Dec 01, 2011 8:41:39 AM CST
Don't forget, SONY hired Vanderbilt to write this script BEHIND Raimi's back
by d.vader
While he was prepping Spider-Man 4. Its like SONY *knew* they were going to kill Raimi's next picture. Because at the time, when rumors were flying around everywhere about Raimi's movie, there was also a rumor that James Vanderbilt had been hired to write the script, and it turns out he had been hired to write the reboot script instead.
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into a Pez dispenser.
Dylan Baker must be rolling over in his bed.
Damn you, studio executives! Damn you all to HELL! -
A extremely emo, no-fun Spider-man who's up against a boring second rate villain like Lizard who's design reminds me of that crappy Super Mario movie from the early 90's?
This doesn't look like something I want to see in the theater.
Sorry Marc Web, I think you done goofed. Also, why is Spider-man dark and moody? Spider-man should be snarky, like Ash from Army of Darkness.
Beside the hokey Lizard pics, the rest looks like Twilight. ---Unless you're a adolescent girl, no one likes that shit.
Unless some trailer comes out that really changes my mind, this is shaping up to something I might give a try on Netflix in a few years.
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Can't say I'm looking forward to this much.
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Because they sold them.
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Just askin'...
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What a mess!!
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Dec 01, 2011 12:21:53 PM CST
honestly can't say whether anyone's nitpicking is better or worse than the next person
by darthsaul666
My main gripe is that all the early internet buzz was that Nu Spidey will be with be a truer dipiction of Spidey with almost no CGI. And so far what we have plot details that sound way closer to Ultimate Spidey and a trailer with as much CGI as a Raimi movie. Let's not forgetv we're getting the origin again.
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..and I agree 100% that it was odd to put Dafoe in the mask when all he has to do is grin maniacally and he looks amazingly close to the GG of the comics (not to mention, he also has a great face for Joker too!).
I don't hate the power-rangers thing even though I can see how it's a lesser design than it might could have been, given all the very valid ideas posted in this tb.
I like, for example, how he still manages to have little bits and pieces that take him out of a pure vanilla bad guy. Like when he first makes an appearance in Spidey1 sailing through the skies of NYC during the parade and, as he flies between the hot-air parade balloons close to the building to kill the board of Oscorp, he drags his hand along the surface of one of the balloons. I like subtleties like that (had he popped it, it would have been too much, etc).
I also like how he's a badass basically physically overpowering Spidey rather easily until the very end. I read the novelization (great work Peter David if you're on here somewhere!) and I really like how when GG mortally threatens MJ, Spidey flips out and stops doubting himself and then obtains the true power he's been unaware he had by easily defeating GG in a physical confrontation.
Dafoe also still manages to squeeze some of his own performance through the mask and I do like his voicework as well. But yeah, it's distracting and likely deserving of more "brainstorming" than just making it a helmet.
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Dec 01, 2011 12:51:21 PM CST
vader, i was referring to the leaked footage from comic con (i think that was it) that showed a much bulkier creature.
by dahveed1972
i assume this concept art was pre production.
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Dec 01, 2011 12:56:31 PM CST
the lizard does NOT need to wear some kind of costume. It would be fun if he very briefly wore the lab coat during one of his transformations but thats about it.
by dahveed1972
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Dec 01, 2011 12:59:29 PM CST
again, a man-sized monitor lizard that's semi erect (heh) with opposable thumbs wouldve been fine.
by dahveed1972
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As Killik said, I think they're developing this thing slowly in the hopes of it kick-starting a new franchise. That is why we've seen Oscorp, but there's been no talk of Norman Osborn casting. Hopefully, they're following Nolan's suit of using a lesser establishing villain(Scarecrow/Ras; The Lizard) in the first part of the "reboot" so they can properly deliver the origin and initial character arcs without blowing their load on the king of the rogue's gallery(The Joker; Green Goblin).
I would love, just as much as the next guy, to see an accurately portrayed, better-costumed, menacing Green Goblin in film 2 of Webb's Spidey series. Establish him as a real threat, have him push Spidey to the brink, but Spidey still survives and comes out a full-fledged hero by the end of the film. Then, in a 3rd film, you add a subsequent minor villain but keep Goblin and go HEAVY with the "Death of Gwen Stacy" arc. You have to. Its the seminal moment of the character's entire history.
I'd love to see Christoph Waltz as Norman and Anton Yelchin as Harry.
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