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JOHN CARTER unleashes some new images...

Hey folks, Harry here...   I haven't written a terrible lot about JOHN CARTER since the movie went into production.   I was distancing myself.  After spending the better part of a 6 years of my life to working on an adaptation, that came perilously close to filming on many ocassions...  it's weird as living hell to talk about Andrew Stanton and Disney's take on it.   I haven't been blown away by anything from the film thus far.   The Thark design seems a bit emaciated for my mental image, the casting of John and Dejah made me cringe, and pretty much everything that Andrew has said publicly makes me want to argue.   BUT - he has made the film.   That is not easy.   Reading his interviews has been fascinating because he seems to not really love the original novel, but the ideas of the source material.   He's making his own Barsoomian adventure with these characters that isn't hard and fast adhering strictly to the source material...  which makes me a little crazy, but at the same time...  I am a HUGE fanboy to the world of John Carter.

I've literally been dying to see this movie get made since about a week after I saw EMPIRE STRIKES BACK as a boy.   Here are some pics that Disney has released today - leading up to the release of the new trailer, due December 1st, 2011.   So soon.   I can't wait.   The first trailer left me a little flat.   Didn't feel like a grand adventure.   Didn't seem to soar.   Of course, the production probably had very little finished visual effects work to cut from, so there was no reason to go into panic mode, like some did with that first AVENGERS trailer - which was also very early in the VFX process for that film.

So I'll comment upon each here...

So much of a shot like this feels so static as a still.   There's no real sense of what's happening, but what I don't like is how ordinary the background feels.   That doesn't feel like Mars or Barsoom of my imagination, though the airships do have a Helium style to them.   Can't wait to see this in motion.


Here's John and Dejah...   Not a huge fan of the clunky nature of her attire, not that she needed to just be in a metal bikini...  The red of her skin is making me happier than it looked in the first trailer.   

Now here's John and Tars Tarkas.   I really must reserve any judgement until I see how Dafoe is playing Tars.   He's my favorite character from the books - and Dafoe's Sgt. Elias from PLATOON has some of Tars' soul, but I'm really nervous.   I want to love Tars Tarkas.   That will be determined not merely in Dafoe's performance, the visual effects team's work on him - but also how John Carter interacts with him, how Sola reacts to him.   How he is reflected in Giacchino's score.   I do find it odd that Tars seems so damned 2 armed in this shot.   I can see the hints of the others - but it is an odd shot.

Here's Sola, Dejah and John on a skiff.   This is my favorite shot they've released today.   Still not a fan of the blue sky though.

That's WOOLA!  That's WOOLA in a total curious passive kinda mode.   WOOLA will be your childrens favorite character, and most likely yours as well.   WOOLA is a character that MUST be amazing on screen - and the word I've heard from folks working on John Carter - well they tell me WOOLA steals the movie.   Now realize - this is WOOLA passive.   When that mouth opens, when that tongue comes out...  when John rubs her belly...  Oh my god.  Pure awesome, I know it.

I've heard a lot about this production.   They hired many of the same folks that were working on our version of the film.   For a very long time, the word on the production was dissatisfied.  However, after reshoots - after time in editing, I finally started to hear that people were really starting to like Taylor Kitsch's John Carter - that they found the character and he was awesome.   That WOOLA was amazing. That Giacchino's score gave the film the emotional lift it was needing and made Dejah live and love a bit more.

So right now - I'm at the best spot I've been on the film.   I'm looking forward to it.  No matter what - it'll be a unique film experience for me.   But a shot like that last one.   It makes me want to watch the film NOW.   That's WOOLA - it's a damn fine Woola and I can't wait to hear her noises, to watch how she falls in love with John and becomes the best dog in the universe!

December 1st we all see what we can make of this film.   Tick tock...  BE GREAT!

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  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    John Carter of New Mexico?

    by schizoschizo

    Where's the red?

  • He is not a real man.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Looks like fun

    by slone13

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Tars Tarkas has a Jar Jarkas vibe

    by Bobo_Vision


  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I'm Sure That The Empty Theater Seats Will Enjoy This Movie...

    by jamesonian

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    *ahem*......Alien 5 trailer anyone?


    no? ok then...i'll go away

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    For once I've gotta go with Harry...

    by skellngtn

    this next trailer could make or break this movie. I read all the books as a kid back in the 70's, so I'm pumped for a decent version to be made. I've shown the first trailer to all kinds of people and most have shrugged...either not seeing anything fantastic grab them or just not getting what the heck's going on.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry...


    Any word of them showing some stuff at BNAT?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    The 20 minutes they showed in London perhaps?

    by WONKABAR 'I’ve seen almost twenty minutes of the film. Let’s say it was twenty, just to round it off – in that case, about eighteen were really superb. I’d say inherently cinematic, inventive and playful. It was scoring highly with me. But lots more about that in the coming days.'

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST

    They should use Norman Maurer's CineMagic process

    by Crimson Dynamo

    that'll Mars it up for you

  • Because this movie will be not the John Carter movie that's inside Harry's head.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    I like the blue sky's btw


    Red would be so, I don't know...obvious. I dig these shots...there's almost a Mad-Max look to everything

  • Where's the goddamn Edit function when you need it? This isn't 1996 for heaven's sake.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Prometheus trailer

    by Bobo_Vision

    The quality is still shitty but it's a minor step up from the last shitty one. <p>

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I don't see why Harry should be against this film


    It's not like Stanton stole it. Blame Paramount for going with Star Trek and Iron Man. From what I've see of the Conran version- it would have strayed WAY further from the source material- I thanked god when Favs came in. Stanton was a fan of the Marvel comics of the 70's which didn't follow the books plot to the letter- but combined elements of all of them. chabbon has said that the script pulls elements of the first three books- what he has said makes sense. Like LOTR there are changes that needed to be made to the narrative. Like Tolkien, Burroughs kinda made shit up as he went and some of it just doesn't play on the screen.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Blue Sky/American western landsape

    by AlibyebyeEssmob

    I like the choice; it's most likely to keep some small bit of ambiguity as to whether or not it's all a fantasy in John Carter's head, by using clear parallel's with Earth's environment.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry...

    by marc

    I would love to know whom you guys hired to do the visualzation of Barsoom. I don't see bits of Rich Corben, Roy Krenkel and even a little Frank Frazetta in these pictures. I mean, the pictures look okay, but unless the house of mouse is holding back the good stuff, I'm kind of underwhelmed

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Tars Tarkas-

    by don

    looks like Zippy The Pinhead.

  • Thsts why you only get a glimpse of the story and not many finished effects. They are teasers, not trailers, and you know this. To expect ass-kicking insanity in a teaser is a bit foolhardy, and the geek community will be better served in the future if we continue to make the proper distinctions so they know what to expect and don't fault teasers for not including material one would expect from a trailer.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by savagedave

    We don't be wantin' no common sense round here boy!

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Prometheus Trailer

    by Dasinfogod

    Looks great, Bobo. That apostrophe in IT'S made me chuckle, though... Direct link, while it lasts:

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    For fuck's sake

    by moondoggy2u

    I'm approaching JCoM as cold as anyone can come, which means that I was only aware of the covers of those books while i worked my way through the sci-fi section of my library. And guess what? Those stills look just fine. I'll admit, the floating ship in the backround looks like it needs some more rendering, but overall what I'm seeing looks pretty intriguing. I likes. But not Harry, of course! Harry passive-aggressively writes this article like he's previewing IRS tax codes. The movie isn't a sequel, remake, prequel OR being directed by Ratner, but that isn't enough for the ginger-haired one, is it? Nope, because Harry didnt get to make the film he wanted he is going to be as unenthusiastic a "geek" as he can possibly be. Why is "geek" in quotations when I'm describing Harry? Because the douche bag has done next to nothing for this site for months (some might say years), save for a few bullshit non reviews of Inception, Planet of the Apes, Muppets, etc. Oh, he loves the fuck out shit like Scott Pilgrim and will endlessly pimp that kinda film to no end on this supposedly "aint it cool" site, but anything that somehow doesnt cause him to relate to his bizarreasallgetout childhood or fails to empower his childish view of life? Forget about it! Toy Story 3? "How dare that movie tell me its good to grow up and share my pweasents!" Inception? "Honestly, it put me to sleep! It should have been more like a Terry Gilliam/scott pilgrim sorta thing. Pass!" Rise of the Planet of the Apes? *cricket* *cricket* *cricket*. And the list goes on. And I'm not even going to start on the extreme lateness of the news. Promethius trailer leak occurrs and there is NOBODY on this site who is writing about it, or even offering an editorial/insight on said leak. Same for the accuracy concerning the supposed Dark Knight preview desription. I understand this time of year can be something of a slow news period for AICN, but goddamn it, put more effort into what IS leaking or something. One would suppose that the average number of talkback posts pretty much speaks for itself and yet even now Harry is simply putting less efort into his site. If it werent for Quint, I doubt i would even think to check here more than once or twice a week. Oh well...

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Like Moondoggy, Im cold on John Carter too

    by D.Vader

    (aside from parts of the shitty SyFy Channel version) And I'm digging everything I've seen so far.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah, d. vader,

    by moondoggy2u

    but did you see those bitchin Mars covers in your library or book store? I'll admit that I side with Harry in the lament of the red-skinned girl's excess of wardrobe.

  • I pray you have some vengence upon them.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Re: Muscles.

    by Richard Graham

    He's not Dutch in Predator, he's just a normal dude like John McClane. Cut the guy some slack.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Well, Moondoggy... Yeeeeaaaaaah

    by D.Vader

    But sadly, I doubt we'd ever get a hard R John Carter with a big budget that would allow such copious amount of boobage. And also, I agree with your assessment of Harry and his future review. Same goes for Mr Incredible's.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I just googled John Carter of Mars (film) to get the skinny

    by moondoggy2u

    Apparently, this film was originally going to be a paramount film Robert Rodruigez directing it and Harry getting production credit. Now its a Disney film directed/partially written Andrew Stanton, who wrote and directed Wall*e and Finding Nemo. He also helped write the Toy story films. And according to Staton, he read the novels as a kid and was very familiar with them. So yeah, I will definitely get behind THIS film over some supposed film by Rodruigez and Knowels.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Frankly, I wouldnt trust Rodruigez to direct traffic.

    by moondoggy2u

    And for god's sake, an editing button, if you please.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I have supreme confidence in the director of WALL-E

    by D.Vader

    That movie is a science fiction masterpiece.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST



    Robert Rodriguez was the first director, then for a brief time it was Guillermo Del Toro, then for a year and a half creating sheer awesome was Kerry Conran, than another year plus with Jon Favreau... where we finally broke the script & got a hair away from production.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    What stopped it, Harry?

    by D.Vader

    And what's Kerry Conran up to now?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Now THIS i'm curious about.

    by moondoggy2u

    Why the hell were there so many directors attached to the film? Is it really that difficult of a source material? From what it looks like to my totally layman's eye is a sort of Conan the Barbarian meets Star Wars. Pretty cool idea, but it doesnt sound that difficult in light of today's effects capabilities.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Prometheus Trailer

    by lookylookymoontard

    Holy fuck,that trailer is awesome,i love the fact! :) they used the original A L I E N trailer score/noise,also seeing the derelict in flight! The tone kinda says an R as well,here's hoping,my nerd radar just went crazy........

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Loving Hollywood is like saying a tapeworm is your pet.

    by seansarto

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST

    P R O M E T H E U S trailer is ridiculously amazing.

    by Dharma4

    The screaming and words fading in bit at a time made me weep in joy. I hate that these pictures are so damn late. It annoys me. You may have things to do, Harz, but goddamn it all, don't fall SO behind.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Agree with moondoggy2u...

    by Fletch Gannon

    Any other sites on the net that are recommended over Ain't It Cool? Tired of Harry and his horrible reviews...I don't even waste my time reading them (who ever got through his review of Hugo has my respect). John Carter...will prob have to see some more before I go commit to it but I think it will be 2012's Prince of Persia which I didn't and haven't seen and most others didn't either.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Prometheus trailer looks incredible ...


    How Scott convinced the money men to keep the Aliens barely involved is a miracle but it looks top class.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I just checked out that Prometheus trailer

    by moondoggy2u

    Mother of God thats a goddamn good trailer. Yeesh, now I'm almost as excited for Prometheus as I am for Nolan's final Batty film. Very, VERY damned good trailer. And I dont care what anybody says, I think Ridley Scott is an even better film maker now than ever before. Call me crazy but I think this thing COULD be even better than Alien. I'm not getting my hopes up or anything by thinking Promethetheus is a slam dunk guarantee. Hell, a dozen different things could go wrong. But I do think its possible.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Jon Carter needs to be R, screw this PG-13 rubbish

    by Wookie_Weed

    Just joking. :P

  • If the Aliens were actually originally created by humans as a form of biological warfare. They genetically created the cells which become the Aliens, but shot them out in frozen canisters to planets they wanted to colonize so that these aliens would grow, wipe out the predominant species of the planet while the ecosystem remains intact (which would not be the case if they nuked it), and then they hoped the aliens would die off without a species to feed on since it is parasitic. <p> BUT, it turns out these aliens can hibernate in their pods until a lifeform arrives for it to use as a host. <p> So the humans who are sent on this mission are scouting this dead planet, but the Earth governments have not told them all these covert alien operations. Only the android (Fassbender) knows. The governments wants to know if all the lifeforms (the space jockeys) are wiped out, but when the crew arrives they find that they have to fight off the Aliens which they later learn were created by humans. <p> They along with the remaining few Space Jockeys team up to fight this scurge of parasites.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by Bobo_Vision the later movies, the reason the government wants to collect samples of the aliens is because they want to study their creations, because they never let them grown while on earth out of fear they may become an epidemic. They only create the stem cells which were to become the aliens...not knowing these creations would be able to hibernate. So humans want to learn how to change their genetic makeup so that in the future, when they sent out such biological warfare, the hibernation abilities won't be there when they colonize other planets.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    No naked Princess?

    by KilliK


  • Like what Lucas did with C3PO.He was made by Darth Vader.sigh.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Sorry Bobo

    by lookylookymoontard

    You lost me at "Team up" *pukes*

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    John Carter is a ripoff of Avatar.FACT.!!!

    by KilliK

    let's see who is the first one to take the bait.10,9,8,7,6,...

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    "Like what Lucas did with C3P0" - killik

    by Bobo_Vision like that at all. The only reason Lucas did that was so that C3P0 could be in those films to tie the prequels to the sequels. <p> I'm saying, having a plotline that gives the prequel some that it's not just a bug hunt.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Okay, moontard....scratch the "Team up" part

    by Bobo_Vision

    I was iffy about that part, too. When they get there....the Space Jockeys are all dead except for a few impregnated ones. Then the shit gets going. <p> Ah?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    @ Bobo

    by lookylookymoontard

    The rest has merit,but the team up part reminds me of AVP,and that is never a good thing

  • it eventually lead to one fact only: It shrank the SW universe. The same thing applies with your suggestion to make the Aliens as genetically engineered bio-weapons by humans.It shrinks the cinematic universe and it destroys the mythology and iconic status of those creatures.No cosmic horror,no representation of something truly alien to the human understanding and awareness,etc.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I;m hoping we get to see the creature that bursts from a Jocky

    by lookylookymoontard

    Ridley said in a interview that Giger is working on a certain part of the film,i'd love to see what he comes up with for that design,although a Xeno taking on its host's form only came into play in A3,i wonder if Ridley would stay with that idea?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    So JC saves and fucks a red-skinned alien humanoid Princess.

    by KilliK

    i wonder how the native-americans will react to this central idea of the film.not to mention the reaction of the film critics.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Sometimes Mars sky actually is blue

    by HybridEB

    Though not nearly as much as in this movie. I trust the director but this has a Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time vibe to it. Not expecting a masterpiece.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    bitter much?

    by abe

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Conran was on the project for ahead and a half

    by Bass Ackwards

    And the script didn't "break" under him? What was the project doing for a year and a half?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Should have been Sofia Vergara,

    by Phategod2

    And she should be half nekkid spineless conservative movie studios.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Barsoom's sky supposed to be red or blue?

    by moondoggy2u

    According to wikipedia, Burroughs imagined the world of mars to look a lot like arizona. And given the fact that the hero is a civil war soldier his princess is a native redskin....yeah, i can definitely see some problems with this film/story already. And hell, this is Burroughs we're talking about, so its obviously going to be a "white man outfights/tames the natives" story. I smell contraversey a'brewin. Also, this opens up another can of worms; we're talking about a western/sci-fi mashup, arent we? And we all know how well those do. I hope to God they play this story up more as a conan meets Star Wars flick... And finally, that Mars sky...I think in the books one assumes its supposed to be blue; they are obviously breathing in an oxygen environment. The frazetta covers depict a red sky, however. Maybe thats why Harry thinks its supposed to be red?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Looks like Danger Island from Banana Splits

    by GrendelGrendelGrendel

    This looks like a cheap knockoff of Richard Donner's "Danger Island" from the Banana Splits Comedy hour.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I also smell controversy....yeesh, i need me an edit button

    by moondoggy2u

  • ....was likely made by Space Jockeys. <p> The Greek myth of Prometheus goes that Prometheus gave man fire, as well as writing, mathematics, agriculture, and science. So he gave them civilization. Zeus punishes Prometheus by having him bound to a rock, and every night an eagle eats his liver, but his liver regenerates because he is immortal. <p> Zeus retaliates against Prometheus's gift by sending Pandora and her gift. This gift is evil harsh pain which gives men disease and hardships, and it comes out of her box...or jar. This represents the Aliens. <p> The question is.....are we Prometheus...are the Space Jockeys Prometheus....or are the androids Prometheus. We shall see.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Christina hendricks should have been Dejah Thoris

    by Phategod2

  • Just read it. Gotta give props. darth...get your crazy ass over here and let's discuss this shit.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Woola looks retarted

    by HornyForHarry

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    too many clothes on Dejah, and...

    by awardgiver

    I agree about Christina Hendricks, or some other shapely woman should've played her. If this is a hit, will we get a new Gor movie? I nominate Dancer of Gor!

  • digitally shrink her melons because after all this movie is for kids.And that process is not cheap.So they did the wise thing to hir a more "subtle" actress.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Think Tar.s Tar.kas had anything to do with...

    by KHjLL

    GEORGE LUCAS's Jar Jar?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 10:58 p.m. CST

    John & Dejah

    by geodesigns

    There's a software plugin that can make a skinny guy look more muscular- forgot the name, sorry- but they could've used that on the actor. I've seen video samples and it really looks convincing. Other than that, I would have wanted Dejah Thoris to be played by a girl with a very curvy, Frazetta Girl/Porn Starlet body. Check out Dynamite comic books Dejah Thoris series released this year. I also like Adam Hughes take on Dejah. I wanted the actress to look like Sofia Vergara/Dana Hamm in her 20's. And Disney should've released it as a Touchstone Pictures PG-13 film, so we can have Dejah half naked. Other than that, the teaser music was a bit somber, but I like what I see with FX so far.

  • NO WAY they'd allow Christina Hendricks anywhere near the set.

  • Hef, you just wasted a lot of money.

  • He works at Double Negative in London. He tells me that the main actor in the movie who plays John carter is terrible! Make of that what you will!

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST

    So it appears it is time for another "Does She Swallow Sunday"

    by lv_426

    On this Sunday, in the Lord's Year of two-thousandth-eleventh... on the Sunday that is the twenty-seventh of November... we shall asketh of the talkback... doth she swallow? Keira Knightley. Who has most recently appeared in the Cronenberg film that no theater near me seems to be showing. A Dangerous Method. Yea or nay?

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Love that Woola design.

    by justmyluck

    As for everything else...hmmm...hopefully the next trailer does a better sell for JOHN CARTER.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Knowles' Requisite Silence / This Looks Awesome

    by THX1968

    John Carter has quickly become my flashpoint to getting seriously pissed off at AICN as an entity, even supplanting Quint as my least favorite thing about this business. Shut up, Harry. Shut your fucking cake hole no matter how badly you want to comment on this picture. You simply don't have the right to do so. It's an unwritten rule, of course, so do whatever you want, but I'd bet even money that you'll never get anything produced if you don't learn to keep your yap shut. Especially about John Carter. Personally, I think this looks awesome. The constant bitching about the terrain looking like New Mexico. THAT'S WHAT MARS WOULD FUCKING LOOK LIKE IF IT HAD AN ATMOSPHERE YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE, TERMINALLY SLOW, DOUCHE BAGS!!! I'm not going to get into this tonight, because I've said enough about John Carter, but I will say that I'll take Andrew Stanton directing traffic let alone John Carter over Kerry Conran any day of the week.

  • Harry, I know for a fact that you haven't, as I know quite well the people associated with the earlier Princess of Mars, and your contribution was minimal. Nevertheless, you probably earned your "producer" credit, but please don't make it look like you were full time adapting the book, because you were not..a bit of humbleness goes a long way. Now for the Stanton's version, don't suddenly become a John Carter frustrated expert, and you of all movie buffs should understand that a Favreau or other filmaker's take on it can't be the Disney's version, were probably all creatures and characters have to be polished to match their target audience. Obviously, lots of us would have liked to see a slightly tougher, bloodier, Conan vs Lord of the Rings like heroic-fantasy version, and of a less Prince of Persia vs Chronicles of Narnia version, but the kids will probably dig it, and we may very well Harry, let's keep an open-mind...

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    I liked it more when it was called AVATAR.

    by KilliK


  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Wooda or whatever the fuck = Howard the Duck


  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Will Fail

    by aceldama

    People need to accept that this movie will be a major dud. There is not a single positive thing to be said about it right now. The biggest problem is the source material and the whole Barsoom "universe." I overall have nothing against the stories, and have read most of them (I think I have read all the actual John Carters, but haven't read A Fighting Man Of Mars or The Chessmen Of Mars), but they are basically average at best and completely unadaptable. Don't get too excited about this, folks. (Oh, and just in case someone wants to try to think I'm saying this as some sort of support for Harrys attempt, that is definitely not the case. His would have been a disaster too.)

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    You Read It Like That?

    by aceldama

    Flynn-Lives said: "please don't make it look like you were full time adapting the book" in response to Harry saying "After spending the better part of a 6 years of my life to working on an adaptation." Not that it matters, but I didn't read the initial comment the same way as you did, I guess. I didn't take it as being Harry saying "I spent 6 years working my ass off for this project" or anything like that. I read it as "Over a span of 6 years, I was involved in it on some level." Small difference, and as I said, it doesn't matter, but figured I would say it anyway.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:10 a.m. CST

    The Princess

    by KilliK

    does she take it in the ass? i wanna know.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Clearly, most of you guys are assholes



  • Nov. 27, 2011, 4:36 a.m. CST

    The new John Carter = as gay as the New Conan

    by chien_sale

  • Yeah, that would awesome. No, wait, that would be shit.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Did Michael Chabon write the script?

    by SiouxCitySarsaparilla

    His draft of Spider-Man 2 really was a beautiful read. Anything ever happen with the adaptation of The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay that was supposed to be in development? Has that even got a director these days? Would make for a luminous period serial on HBO, where I think he has a deal for something else. Ask because in an interview he said he'd finished his next book and was doing film and television work for a while until the next one.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 6:14 a.m. CST


    by Dollar Bird a big Burroughs fan during my youth, this is a project I have long had my eyes on. I remember back in the early 90s when this was going to be made by Disney and possibly star Tom Hanks or Tom Cruise and be directed by John McTiernan. Then that all collapsed. Years later I saw the Syd Mead drawings and designs for that movie's version of the Helium airships and I was a little sad that never saw light of day. I think William Stout was also a designer on that project. There were some leaks with that old script in which I recall John Carter has the quip, "I don't trust you any further than a spider can piss." Then came the heavy rotation of directors under the Paramount years. I've seen some of the pre-production for those movies, and I'm kind of glad those never happened. Now there's this. I have enjoyed each of Stanton's Pixar films immensely, so I have some hope for this. I can see it not working, though, as this was a popular book series 80 years ago, and aside from an homage-name in "ER", John Carter is not at the forefront of everyone's cultural radar. I imagine this is what it would be like if someone in the year 2100 made a "Game of Thrones" movie. (I am not saying the writings of ERB and Martin are comparable; I'm just saying they're both popular fantastical-fiction book series.) And I can understand people's frustration with the look this movie is projecting. I love the look of the airships, like combinations of dragonflies and WWII airplanes. I read the books from several different publishing houses, so I always had the images by J. Allen St. John, Frazetta, Kerenkel, and Michael Whelan knocking around in my brain, merging and playing off of each other. And, being an artist myself, I did my own drawings, too, that kind of combined all those talents and visions. So, you get a picture in your head, and when that same picture isn't someone else's you can get frustrated. But I think pretty early on Stanton said that he was not aiming for Frank Frazetta when he got on board this production. So, I was never expecting that. Tars Tarkas looks skinnier than I always imagined (my favorite Tars Tarkas was one Al Williamson drew) but I can go with it. I've seen skinny tharks before. Woola in my head was always more frog/crocodile than toad/pug, but it's okay. Honestly, people can have their own interpretations. And I don't even mind blue skies and Arizona, as long as it's visually interesting. Blue skies would make sense with the atmosphere factories pumping out breathable air for everyone. (And, honestly, in reality, Mars' sky is not red. It's pink.) In fact, I have just one complaint: Carter's hair is too long. And now I've talked too much.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Wait,what?? this movie costs 300m $???

    by KilliK

    you must be fucking kidding me.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Kerry Conran

    by Major Hockshtetter

    Anyone know what Conran is up to these days? I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I thought Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was absolutely remarkable. The guy seemed to show a ton of promise... and then nothing.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Looks like a made for Syfy Network movie

    by bodyslam911

    The trailer didn't make it look any better either.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Ambiguity as to whether or not it's all a fantasy in John Carter's head

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Of course, the fact that he never ages and that his body spends ten years trapped/paralyzed in an Arizona cave without food or water or that he later builds a tomb that opens from the inside or that he even later appears in astral projections to relate his adventures to The Narrator (actually ambiguous as to whether or not this is ERB or not) may clear up some of that ambiguity. ;-) The actual thing that I always found curious and interesting, but something that was never explored or discussed in the books was the correlation between the Red Men of Mars and the actual red men of Earth (Indians/Native-Americans) from whom JC is fleeing when he winds up in that cave and subsequently on Mars. Always thought it might be fun to have JC or one of the Burroughs heroes discover that the red men of Earth were actually Martian colonists.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I don't think that the sky was ever described in the books. But the ground was. And it was read with some soft, ochre, spongy moss-like growth that made for soft landings when JC leapt somewhere. Not brown/New Mexico-like. Red. Red with bits of yellow.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    The Martian sky is neither blue nor red

    by rev_skarekroe

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Robert Rodriguez and John Carter of Mars

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Can we all just agree to thank the Gods of Mars that Rodriguez didn't get hold of this one? The idea of that plastic-faced monstrosity that he's banging in the role of Dejah Thoris makes me puke. Or imagine the FX of Spy Kids 4 on this. No fucking thanks.

  • ...agree about the radiation, very low level of oxygen (there is air, just not much oxygen), and extremely low air pressue. Much "A Princess of Mars" (I refure to call it "John Carter"!) is fantasy. Christ, did you boycott the LOTR trilogy because of the lack of proof of its events in the archeological record?

  • Conran's now on a list somewhere. Hope he has other career options.

  • Maybe a belly chain and bracelets and a diaphanous veil, but THAT'S IT! But of course... this is Disney, dammit.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    It always made me laugh...

    by John Baker

    When I was reading the Barsoom series and ran across a word George Lucas had ripped off. Jed. Sith. Banth. Like he thought adding a vowel would make the theft less obvious. "Hmmm Banth... Banth... BANTHA!" "Jed-O? No... Jedu... JEDI!" Sssssssssssooooooooo.... Seeeeeee... Saaaaaa... Fuck it Sith it is." ... "What the Fu- MARCIA!! Wheres my Goddamn gravy?!! I can't CREATE WITHOUT MY GRAVY!!!" "Coming George..." "Fucking bitch... Where was I?" "Tars Tarkas.... Tars... Tar... Tar Tar...."

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Hit the gym, dude

    by DonRivella

    or put on a shirt. Your man-boobs are ugly as hell - I'm still traumatized from the Conan remake.

  • ...and there's a Mars mission wherein astronauts find the remains of a Barsoomian city or a Thark skull or something buried in the sand then we transition to John Carter out in the Old West. Kind of like how The First Men In the Moon updated Wells' story with a prologue of a modern day moon mission. But then, this is Disney, dammit and they probably won't even mention the word, "Mars" or the name "Edgar Rice Burroughs".

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Yousa think

    by J. Jarkas

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Yousa movie gonna FAIL?

    by J. Jarkas

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST

    i had hoped this movie

    by Crimson Dynamo

    would look like a Frank Frazetta painting come to life

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    not too late to adjust the color of the movie Disney

    by zooch

    just add some sweet filters and it be perfect. Perhaps I could adjust the tint on my television when I watch it at home.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Naked princess? Tars Tarkas?

    by Munsford

    Several folks want Dejah Thoris naked...but then JC would also need to be naked, and someone would have to explain why an oviparous woman would need breasts. I don't mind the tall, thin Tharks, but I do think the eyes front design makes them a lot less ordinary. If Stanton could get emotion from Wall-E and Eve, then I think he could have managed with the Tharks without superimposing the actor's eyes over the design.

  • When I say "working on" I mean that I've drunkenly scribbled sketches on cocktail napkins and talked about how cool it would be to make a prequel to Alien. Just being a dick, Mr.Stiggs

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    they really shouldn't cast this pretty boy as John Carter

    by chien_sale

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Just started reading the novels

    by smittylancearthur

    and I can't put 'em down. Holy God, I wasn't expecting to dig them as much as I am. And I agree with most of what Harry's said about this one. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to this film. Mentioning Dafoe's Elias is apt to how I picture Tars. The Woola design is straight out of the book. I still think Josh Brolin should be Carter, but for that other Civil War vet he played...

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    A great missed opportunity...

    by zinc_chameleon

    to integrate Carlos Castaneda's mysticism and Frank Frazetta's paintings; this movie could have been an ode to what was best in the 1970s. Picture this: John Carter hiding in a cave comes upon Don Juan and Don Genaro, who offer him a way out of his predicament, by allowing him to cross into another world, which just happens to be Mars, one billion years ago. Then you could have had a manned Mars expedition finding a Thark skull, and Carter's family coughing up his memoirs.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Conran's concept art

    by smittylancearthur

    And pitch reel at are pretty sweet.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Won't even mention the name Edgar Rice Burroughs?

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    They clearly say, "Mr. Burroughs, I'm afraid I bring sad tidings," at the first of the teaser trailer.

  • Harry could gush over the FBI copyright warning; here the petty criticism and luke warm comment or two at best has a bitter tone. Whether this is fair or not is hard to tell; since he had so much in stake in his original project, it is impossible not read a bias in any of his reviews of this project. He probably should let others here talk about it.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Mars has a blue sky.

    by Ingeld

    Didn't you see the ending of Total Recall?

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Matinee fodder

    by Ninja Nerd

    I've read the ERB books at least twice as well as the Tarzan books. Virtually all of them are in the public domain as ebooks. Somehow, nothing I have seen or heard to date makes me want to get in line for this movie. Actually have a Starship Troopers and I, Robot feel about this; good idea and terrible, no-concept-of-source execution. Hope I am wrong, but doesn't feel that way. BTW, saw The Descendants last night...highly recommended...and saw the trailer for One For The Money, the first Stephanie Plum novel from Janet Evanovich. This looks to be pretty good and feels like a good adaptation.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it DOES look like a syfy flick

    by sonnyfern

    But I'll reserve real judgement until I see more.

  • That reel is better in every way from what I've seen so far from Disney (even the stunt guy playing Carter on the green screen stage), though the reality now is that James Cameron has beaten them to it, is the fantasy world-building measuring stick, etc. Actually, could the 'meh' effect of the Disney/Stanton trailer be emanating from an attempt to tip-toe around the unavoidable comparisons to AVATAR?

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by Doug Phillips

    Don't forget Harry's awesome Drive review which he wrote after watching a pirated version of the film and then promptly pulled when people called him on it!

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Prometheus. Holy shit

    by disfigurehead

    That looks awesome.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST


    by Franck

    Since Harry pretended to have personally known Steve Jobs and wrote his eulogy with the most self-absorbed fantasy and a story that he NEVER made reference to during Job's life, including his early association with Pixar, I, (and obviously many on the above thread) tend to read his producer reference as the usual, exaggerated ego-inflated bullshit, which it exactly is.

  • Y'know, as long as he doesn't go to the theater feeling sick or anything.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Woola steals the movie.

    by catlettuce4

    Like Jar Jar Binks stole The Phantom Menace.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    canned_dirty_ape, Harry would be an excellent consultant...

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    ...on how to properly bribe movie review websites as well as some good ideas on catering.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST

    You guys cannot say this looks like a SyFy Channel flick...

    by D.Vader

    Unless you have actually *seen* the SyFy Channel flick version of this starring Antonio Sabato Jr as John Carter. Then we can talk.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST

    The trailer is gonna be shown on Jimmy Kimmel Live on Wed


    Riggins is is going to present it

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST

    naw it doesn't look like a Sci Fi movie.


    It looks like a western directed by George Lucas. I suppose the effects are slightly sub-par compared to ILM. At least the creature designs. But then again, ... Jar Jar. O.K. so we're on even footing. I'm looking forward to this film and Battleship, what are the odds of the 2 biggest flops in modern history to happen in the same year?

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Can't believe it...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    We finally get a JOHN CARTER movie after all those years of development hell. Please. Don't. Suck.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Great link madeyemongo!


    Thanks! There some minor spoilers about Brian Cranston's part though...


  • Nov. 28, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST

    so it's the guy who gets naked but not the girl?

    by AsimovLives

    maybe there's some truth after all about the gay mafia in Holyhood.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    So an overgrown potato that's sprouted legs steals the movie?

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    That doesn't bode well. Does that mean we can expect a load of reaction shots to the creature doing cute dog-like reactions? Again, doesn't sound good. And yes, I get absolutely no sense of any of the "outside" action taking place on a distant planet. Even the Mars probe photos show distinct colors.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST

    It alwasy amuses me to no end..

    by lprothro

    How everyone on geek sites pretends to be a fitness expert--yeah, not likely. Even the fittest man in the world can look "flabby" from certain angles--or on the wrong day. Nothing wrong with his musculature. The hair pisses me off, though. He looks a lot more like the character now in real life since he's finally gotten a haircut. Stanton is a visionary and I have high hopes for this. I'm ecstatic that some of my favorite books are finally being adapted. As a kid reading the novels in the eighties I never would've dreamed this to be possible.

  • And for some reason, the beacon emited a signal that was scrambled in such a way that it didn't looked human in origin.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST

    You people making fun of Kitch's muscles is laughable!

    by ZodNotGod

    Most of you tubby bitches break into a sweat while you eat! Get off the High horse, please.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Yet another property...

    by Marshal_Lannes

    ...that would have been so much more at home as an HBO series...

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    i meant 'poor' like in 'I am sorry for him'

    by pavel hora

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Woola is a him.

    by Howie

    Jeez Harry, for someone who spent six years developing a movie, one might think you'd know Woola was a HIM and not a HER. Sheesh.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST

    New poster!


  • Nov. 28, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Are they going to have semi british accents like Prince of Persia?

    by Mike Myers

    For some reason? It looks like a movie about hippies in Death Valley with some monsters. The books were alive with atmosphere. This looks like Disney BS. Toys available a month before release.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by johnnyrandom'd know all about man-boobs.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    This one smells like a Prince of Persia/Tron Legacy failure.

    by Orbots Commander

    As in, the studio hopes to build a franchise off of this flick, but the lackluster returns will likely have it lining Wal-Mart bargain bins instead.

  • Nov. 29, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Tron Legacy wasn't a failure...

    by ZodNotGod

    If you mean a flop box-office wise, not even close.

  • Nov. 29, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Just read the wikipedia entry on the film's history

    by sapno_krei

    It certainly sounds like Harry helped ignite the spark which led to this current film. Too bad a lot of issues got in the way of creating a version you could put your name on.

  • Dec. 1, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    "when John rubs her belly"

    by Sandy

    "Her" belly? "HER" belly, Harry? You should be ashamed of yourself. You, who claim to be one of the biggest Burroughs fans (especially of the Barsoom tales), should know, of ALL people, that Woola is MALE. Ya know, it may seem trivial, but really...for someone who claims to be such a fan...inexcusable.

  • Dec. 5, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST



    Stanton was in London last month to show 20 minutes of John Carter footage to press there, and he took the time to explain his title mutilation. He started with why he eliminated the original title of Burroughs' first Martian novel, A Princess of Mars: "Here's the real truth of it. I'd already changed it from A Princess Of Mars to John Carter Of Mars. I don't like to get fixated on it, but I changed Princess Of Mars ... because not a single boy would go." So then we're left with a flick called John Carter of Mars, which is still a satisfyingly sci-fi title, right? It's got the word Mars in it, at least. But then Stanton made another call: "And then the other truth is, no girl would go to see John Carter Of Mars. So I said, 'I don't won't to do anything out of fear, I hate doing things out of fear, but I can't ignore that truth.'" Yes, these sound like cynical, marketing-based reasons for changing the flick's name around. It sounds like something a Disney branding executive would do, not the guy who directed Wall-E and Finding Nemo. But Stanton's not done, and before you get ready to go after him with torches and pitchforks, rest assured he has a real, story-based reason for the change: "All the time we were making this big character story which just so happens to be in this big, spectacular new environment. But it's not about the spectacle, it's about the investment. I thought, I've really worked hard to make all of this an origin story. It's about a guy becoming John Carter. So I'm not misrepresenting what this movie is, it's John Carter. "Mars is going to stick on any other film in the series. But by then, it won't have a stigma to it." And just like that, we've got a real answer for the title change and the hope of a sequel before we've even seen the flick. We'll have to wait until John Carter is released in March to see if Stanton's "origin story" explanation really plays out on screen, but in the meantime we'll give him a little credit. The guy made Wall-E, a flick that stars arguably the most adorable robot ever. That has to count for something.