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Capone levels a point blank warning about HANGING UP!

Published at:  Feb 11, 2000 3:13:24 PM CST

OUCH!!! That really stings! Well, geekettes all ol' Father Geek can say is Capone is not prone to rash judgements, if he takes a baseball bat to something it usually deserves it...



Hey, Father Geek, or whoever the hell is running things out there. Capone in
Chicago here with not so much a review but a warning. I know most readers of
this site couldn't give two shits about this film, but in case I'm wrong....

Since the new comedy HANGING UP is being marketed directly at women, I won’t
even address the male readers at this point: STAY AWAY FROM THIS!!! Women of
the world (especially blonde-haired women) should rise up and unite against
this asinine and inexcusable pile of junk. Massive walkouts should be
organized; women should dye their hair dark brown or jet black in protest.
Better yet, just do everything in your power to keep this crap from making
any money; send a message that films that have a large number women in them
should have some semblance of intelligence. And the strangest things is,
some of the actresses in this film have made careers out of playing smart
and savvy women who (in the case of Diane Keaton especially) changed the way
women were portrayed on the screen. There’s not anything resembling a story
here. Keaton, Meg Ryan, and Lisa Kudrow plays sisters and daughters to
Walter Matthau, who is dying of some unnamed disease. (Although from the
looks of things, he may be succumbing to a terminal case of liver spots.)
All three women have fairly successful careers, although from the way these
characters are written I doubt any of them could fill out a job application.
There’s a lot of yelling, giggling, and frustrated hair pulling (especially
by Meg Ryan, who did it seven times by my count in one three-minute scene.
Does Meg Ryan know any other way to express emotion as an actress but
tugging at her hair?) There’s also an abundance of cell phone calling,
receiving, and disconnecting (thus the film’s clever title). Screenwriter
Delia Ephron (who also wrote the equally vapid YOU’VE GOT MAIL and the
almost unwatchable MICHAEL) tries in the most obvious manner to draw
parallels between the physical act of hanging up a phone and disconnecting
yourself from the things that are bringing you down. HANGING UP doesn’t even
deal with death and dying in a serious manner. It jumps from goofy,
pointless encounters between the sisters to what are supposed to be moving
moments with Matthau dying. What results is a schizophrenic film where the
emotions don’t feel genuine. I won’t ruin the ending, but it wouldn’t be
ruining anything to say that a bevy of predictable and vapid “I’m sorry’s”
and “I love you's” are labeled out in hefty portions. Everybody gets their
moment of reconciliation and redemption and justification. Directors and
co-star Diane Keaton has actually made some decent movies in the past,
including one of my favorites from about five years ago called UNSTRUNG
HEROES, but here she shows no visual flair as she did in that film or any
real feel for how to direct a comedy. At this point you may want to say to
me, “But you aren’t a woman and you don’t have sisters.” True enough, but if
that’s what it takes to enjoy this movie, I’ll live. Besides,I don’t think
this film show us real women; these are “characters” with “annoying but
loveable quirks.” Or at least that’s what the people that made this film
have convinced themselves of.

Love and tearful sobby kisses,

Capone



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    Readers Talkback

  • Feb 11, 2000 3:20:55 PM CST

    Consider me steered.

    by ariador

    Can't say I was going to see this one, but now I know to fight my way free of the theater, no matter the cost. Thanks for the preemptive warning.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 3:23:20 PM CST

    THE TRAILER MADE ME WANT TO VOMIT ONTO MY DATES LAP......

    by geekbasher 3.0

    Yes, this puke-inducing chick flick that splashed so much blondeness on the screen, I was screaming for a a bottle of Miss Clariol Chestnut Brown dye to throw back at the screen. I sometimes like chick flicks but god this one looks really lame expecially when it's Meg doing the same old shit, tell MISS KEWPIE DOLL to dye her hair blue and star in a movie about a washed up Club Kid strung out on Heroin...or better yet, hand that bitch a Chainsaw and tell her she can be the female lead in American PYSCHO 2: REVENGE OF THE BITCH! HANGING UP? HONEY it's more like DISCONNECT!!!

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  • Feb 11, 2000 3:44:11 PM CST

    I Need Only Hear The Names "Nora & Delia Ephron"

    by mrbeaks

    This is clearly a must-avoid. How Nora Ephron still has a career after the horrible one-two-knockout combination of MIXED NUTS, MICHAEL and YOU'VE GOT MAIL is about as big a mystery to me as the rumored revitalization of the CROCODILE DUNDEE franchise. Please..... I know there are great women writers out there who need work. Hire them, and put the Sisters Ephron out to pasture.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 4:08:10 PM CST

    I'm staring to feel really bad for Diane Keaton...

    by stephen dedalus

    She used to play such intelligent and emotional characters, and she's even had an okay directing career. But recently, she's had to embarass herself with junk like this and THE FIRST WIVES CLUB. By the way, she plays Kudrow and Ryan's SISTER???!!! She could be their mother! Hell, she could be Kudrow's grandmother!! I could easily see someone like Ryan or Kudrow doing this, but to see an actress like Keaton degrade herself this way is further proof that there are no good roles out there for older women.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 4:12:55 PM CST

    why not

    by samson shillitoe

    Let the sisters Ephron do the next CROCODILE DUNDEE? It would seem it plays to all their strengths. I'm sure they could rescue the franchise.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 4:38:12 PM CST

    Chick Flick Hell

    by golgo-14

    The problem with movies like this(comedies that feature women)is that they aren't funny. What makes them unfunny? Women do. Sorry ladies, humor has never been one of your strong suits although a lot of you sure think it is. Pretty girls in particular not only like to think of themselves as funny but actually believe they're funny. Yeah, us guys will laugh at your corny pg-rated jokes and chuckle at your every witty remark, but that's only because we're trying to get in your pants.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 4:44:07 PM CST

    Ephron/Keaton and this flick

    by everett robert

    I've been wondering about this flick and weather or not it was any good, becasue aftera ll I'm a Matthau fan, but after this I doubt I'll be seeing it....I will however admit that I like Keaton and she lawys done a lot of good work both in front and behind the camera. Ephron, well i can't say I like her work but she does manage to lure in good acting talent to her flicks which is always a plus for me, however I won't be seeing this. does this post make any sense, I didn't think so

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  • Feb 11, 2000 4:51:05 PM CST

    Definition: Torture

    by jawsteeler

    Ths is the kind of swill that I KNOW my wife will make me sit through to get back at me for thinkng she'd like Any Given Sunday....

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  • Feb 11, 2000 4:55:49 PM CST

    If Meg Ryan was nude during the whole film...

    by pinto

    I still wouldn't go see this waste of estrogen energy.

    O.K., I guess I would. But only if that hag Keaton kept her clothes on.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 5:06:26 PM CST

    Too much "screetch giggling" in the trailier

    by funny ha ha

    Others are dead on that Keaton appears to be reprising her "FATHER OF THE BRIDE (1 and 2)," "FIRST WIVES CLUB," "BABY BOOM," etc. quirky character with angst and assertiveness issues for the umpteenth time. Also what is with the "chick flick" actresses these days that they all are trying to mimic Julia Roberts' scream/laugh as their major show of happy emotion? "WAHHHOAHOA!" Roberts does it in every film (starting with when Olmos snaps the jewelry box at her in PRETTY WOMAN), so does Ryan (now joined in cacophony by Kudrow and Keaton), so did Rene Russo in THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR, and you name it. The next time you get dragged to one of these films (which is probably this weekend, thanks to Valentines day) listen for it. It'll grate on you ever after, I gar-onn-tee...

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  • Feb 11, 2000 5:38:03 PM CST

    sad to hear/Keaton/comediennes

    by lazarus long

    I was ALMOST looking forward to this, because I'm a HUGE Diane Keaton fan, and I loved Lisa Kudrow in The Opposite of Sex, but this might be one for the second-run discount theatre, and a facial disguise for anonymity. Before a big Keaton bash session starts, I suggest anyone who hasn't seen her performance in Reds to go out and rent said film, one of the best of the 80's. She used to take on pretty daring stuff: Little Drummer Girl, Looking For Mr. Goodbar...and she had a really good performance a couple of years ago in Marvin's Room, stealing accolades from Meryl Streep. So rant all you want about the Ephrons and why Rosie O'Donnell should be tarred and feather (dats a lotta chickens!), but Keaton's not dead yet. That film Town and Country is still due to come out, and with Warren Beatty, Goldie Hawn (and a couple other class acts I forgot), it should be something worth seeing. As for women not being as funny as men, I find Janeane Garofalo funnier than any male comic in memory, with the exception of the late Mr. Hicks and pre-sellout Dennis Miller.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 6:02:01 PM CST

    Stop it. Just stop it.

    by all thumbs

    Stop doing this to us women, Hollywood! Stop writing this shit, Nora! JUST STOP IT!!! You're giving us women a bad rap that is really not deserved. This movie is the perfect example of three actresses with lots of talent being wasted because all they are used for are they names and their power to attract women. NEWSFLASH! The reason these women attract a lot of the female audience is because of the intelligent work they've done. For Keaton, it's almost everything she's done except for a few minor flubbs. For Kudrow, her Pheobe is probably the best character on "Friends" and she's proved herself to be a great actress in her role in "The Opposite of Sex" (in which she was both smart and hilarious without being goofy), but she gets typecast into characters who resemble Pheobe only in that they are ditzy. Pheobe is ditzy but she's not stupid. As for Meg Ryan, you may remember her more for things like "Sleepless in Seattle" and "You've Got Mail", but have you ever seen her in "Flesh and Bone", "When a Man Loves a Woman" or "Joe vs. the Volcano"? The woman is also a victim to typecast as a "little miss innocent" character. I'll admit, money is nearly always a factor, I'm sure, but it is their job and they do take time out to do the art as well as the money-makers.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 6:04:25 PM CST

    ONE MORE THING...

    by all thumbs

    Why is it these films are labeled as "chick flicks" but we don't label crappy action movies as something male like "guy movies" (except for TBS's "Movies for Guys Who Like Movies"), "man films" or "penis flicks"? What's up with that?

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  • Feb 11, 2000 6:26:47 PM CST

    Amen All Thumbs...

    by dagny_t

    Don't you sometimes feel that people in Hollywood are living in an alternate universe where women spend 99% of their waking hours talking about men (or food) and their only two emotions are illogically giddy and giggly or illogically angry and hurt? OK, OK, keep the mysogynistic responses to a minimum please. I'd LIKE to think no woman out there would be fooled into expecting a good movie from the truly awful trailer/ads for this flick, except my own mother just asked me to go see this with her when it comes out. I got out of it by insisting she'd have to lobotomize me with gardening shears first. On that note, it's Friday night - time to go have a very large margarita and forget that the Ephrons exist...

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  • Feb 11, 2000 6:29:29 PM CST

    AllThumbs: I apologize for using "chick flick"

    by funny ha ha

    I agree with your sentiments, and recognize that "chick flick" is sexist. However, they got that name because they are flicks that men tend to get dragged to by the women they are fortunate enough to be with. While I must admit I enjoyed "When Harry Met Sally" immensely, I NEVER would have gone to see that if my then girlfriend hadn't demanded we go. You'd never catch me plopping down hard earned cash for "'TILL THERE WAS YOU," (the worst) "THE RUNAWAY BRIDE" (let's cash in on Gere/Roberts)or "STEEL MAGNOLIAS" (target: women). Call the action flicks whatever you want - I'm not offended by any of the names you suggest...

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  • Feb 11, 2000 6:40:08 PM CST

    Films for guys and gals

    by all thumbs

    It's official: all bad action movies where the guns have endless ammo, the women endless nipple-through-the-shirt-shots and the men have bigger pecks than brains will be known here forever now as "dick flicks".***Ok, joking aside, I have to admit that I, too, am a victim of being dragged to a movie and loving it. Action movie, that is. I've come to realize like all movies, there are good action movies and there are bad action movies. And when they are bad, they are really bad. Same with movies aimed at women, commonly known as the "chick flick". It's sad because a lot of people on this site see certain (good) actresses put in a film or see a plot that involves mostly women characters and stay away from it because they think it's going to be an estrogen overload of sentimentality. But they could be missing out on some truly good films like "Map of the World" and "Tumbleweeds". There's more to movies than gritty realism, comic book heroes and guns. Not that those aren't fun in themselves.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 6:42:05 PM CST

    chick flicks

    by everett robert

    All Thumbs i couldn't agree with you more on the fact taht we, unfourtuantly, label movies aimed at female demographics as "chick flicks"...it's a movie just like any other movie it just happens to appeal to female viewers. And as for your comments on Meg Ryan, I couldn't agree more, I caught Fleash and Bone the other night on USA and I was blowen away, great movie

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  • Feb 11, 2000 7:42:38 PM CST

    Whoa thanks Capone

    by red_2

    Thanks for an honest review. All Thumbs if you can live with "chick flick" then I can live with "dick flick" (that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while...and I agree, it's approriate). No, I'm not trying to be sexist. Whoever posted that Janene Geraffalo (I screwed up the spelling, I know), is totally on target.... I must be the only one who liked Mystery Men and thought she delivered an excellent performance, well so did Paul Ruebens, and Ben Stiller, but she was the best. I think I'm in love... Janene rocks.... Anyone remember Truth About Cats N Dogs, she waz good in that, too. That's my two red cents worth, Red_2 out. (maybe)

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  • Feb 11, 2000 7:57:44 PM CST

    "Hanging Up" needs Goldie Hawn ...

    by charlespalantine

    This movie already looks like a piece of crap, and I'm sure that Goldie Hawn's next movie will be equally bad. Might as well get all the crappy actresses in *one* film and thus minimize the assault on good taste. Hopefully, Goldie's next movie will co-star Bette Midler and Cher. Message to Lisa Kudrow: stop making these kinds of movies before you ruin your career.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 8:12:32 PM CST

    afhksjdfg'sijhdf'kghqa'dfokha'ldfhg

    by dreckhead7

    NONE OF THOSE FUCKING PEOPLE LOOK EVEN KIND OF RELATED....I HATE THIS KINDA FUCKING STUPID LOOKING KRAP!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE FUCKERSSSSS

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  • Feb 11, 2000 8:24:21 PM CST

    The Definition of a "Chick Flick"

    by stephen dedalus

    Anything with Anthony Hopkins where he does not eat someone. Or anything with Meg Ryan.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 9:18:57 PM CST

    WHAT in the HELL is WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?????????????????????

    by malchizedik

    Horror, action, comedy, slasher, chick flick, shootemup, zombie flick, gay flick...etc, etc. THEY ARE SUB CATEGORIES, genre films, Jesus CHRIST, a female protests the description 'chick flick' and you sycophant twits ejaculate a load of apologies! WHAT IN THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT??? Ok, yes this film looks like a bulemic puddle of condescending bile, but you have no problem calling Scream a TEEN slasher, so what of it. It *IS* a fucking chick flick!!!!!!! What was the Brother's Mcmullen? a yuppie drama, what was True Lies? an arnold actioner. Ok, if you wanta see a satisfying Meg Ryan watch HURLYBURLY

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  • Feb 11, 2000 9:28:04 PM CST

    Not so bad.

    by jesse james

    I saw "Hanging Up" the other day also. A masterpiece it isn't. But I doubt that it will disappoint the intended market. Meg Ryan is Meg Ryan. Diane Keaton is Diane Keaton. Lisa Kudrow is a cross between Phoebe and Ursula. I laughed enough to justify the cost of the popcorn and soda. The most embarassing part of the movie is that the boom mikes are visible above Meg Ryan's kitchen in a couple scenes. It's unbelievable that someone involved in the movie couldn't figure a way to remove them from the scene.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 9:51:25 PM CST

    Jesse James-

    by stephen dedalus

    The "Boom Mikes" issue must be a big thing now. It was probably your projectionist's fault- ceratin parts of the frame are not supposed to be projected on the screen. Just go over to the BOLIER ROOM talk back, and see the article and responses there.

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  • Feb 11, 2000 9:55:08 PM CST

    Chick Flicks..why they should be called that....A rant...

    by angry catholic


    How many times I have labored through interviews where the suppsoedly objective journalist GUSHES to end about how these type of movies will make soooo much money and how at long last women are taking charge in hollywood...They often have plot holes, logic gaps, stock chacarters, and the inevitable lip syncing of a 60's motown song...Yet they still get good reviews and the flim makers are given a free ride...(Any Nora Ephron Movie) Yet when a action movie comes along man is our press ready to drive that guy out of town...(Don Simpson/ James cameron anyone) I love it when chicks bitch and moan about the term chick movie even though they will use the term guy movie with utter disdain...Personally for whjat it is worth HANGING UP is a loser and SONY knows it...I mean why are they not using the Ephrons more in thier marketing (From the creators of Sleepless in Seattle and Youve got Mail comes HANGING UP) Soccer moms/chicks would show up in droves ready to have a estrogenic orgasm over this piece of crap...Despite the ilogic of having three women who cause of thier age difference COULD NEVER BE SISTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hopefully well be lucky and the soccermom/ I love Rosie Cause she's fat like me crowd will stay away...Why do I have hope when I saw this POS trailer WOMEN BOODED IT OFF THE SCREEN!!!!!! We need to stop with the sappy male bashing romantic comedies cause they SUCK!!!!! end rant

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  • Feb 11, 2000 10:19:17 PM CST

    Chick Flicks...what we should do

    by angry catholic

    1. Find Rosie O'Donell lock her and her soccer mom minons in a room somewhere and throw away the room...

    2. Boycott ANYTHING that has the last name Ephron attached to it...
    ..................................
    3. Wake up and see that Friends is just 1/2 hour of misogony (sp?)..................................

    4. Ask the studio heads who green light this sappy shit "Do you really think so low of women..."................................................

    5. Take Rosie O and put her on a diet...

    Ju

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  • Feb 11, 2000 10:20:58 PM CST

    Chick Flicks

    by picoblvd

    Dear god not another one...How much estrogen can a movie theatre hold.....


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  • Feb 11, 2000 10:28:10 PM CST

    Meg Ryan is so damn cute I just want to eat her up!

    by gilmour

    Here's an actress who has been typecast yet has had a successful career. A good Anal sex scene with Edward James Olmos in her next film should change that.

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  • If anyone wants to see a good movie, where most of the characters are strong women, check out ALL ABOUT MY MOTHER by ALMODOVAR. Nora Ephron MUST give
    great head.

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  • Feb 12, 2000 7:36:19 AM CST

    What is a chick flick?

    by lazarus long

    The problem is that many guys (especially testosterone freaks on here) see any movie that stars a woman and they scream "Chick Flick!!!" The Three Colors (Blue,White,Red) trilogy has women starring in all 3 films; are they "chick flicks"? Hell no, they;re only the best films made in the nineties. Is Run Lola Run a chick flick? All About My Mother might have been a chick flick had it been made in this country with local talent. But is it a chick flick? Yes or no, it's an amazing film. Is it a chick flick if a woman writes and/or directs it, but not if a guy does? Can a guy direct a chick flick? Is G.I. Jane a chick flick? The point here is that it's a very subjective topic. A film like Swingers is all about meeting someone after a tough break up (I know there are subplots about picking up women), and you can bet if it starred two girls instead of Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau it would be labelled a chick flick. Why is a "dating" or "relationship" film only a chick flick if it features women. What was "Chasing Amy"? The whole film was about relationships. I guess I'm trying to say that each individual project should be judged on its own merit. If Nora Ephron is a bright flashing "Caution: Avoid at all Costs" sign, then so be it. But there's a new film coming out called "Things You Can Tell Just By Looking At Her" that has a huge roster of female stars, and looks really good. Of course, it's written by Gabriel Garcia Marquez' son...

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  • Feb 12, 2000 10:41:55 AM CST

    Stop being stupid about women.

    by gsolo

    Thumbs Up is one of the only bright ones here. Maybe if more than 7% of women made films in the industry we could have more variety but that's not the case. For every Hanging Up there's an Under Siege 2. I was forced into seeing Scream 3 last night. What's the difference? There are more great films by women than you know. Stop classifying and become part of the 21st century. See Boys Don't Cry.

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  • Feb 12, 2000 1:43:43 PM CST

    Fine, if its subjective, stop projecting--I HAVE seen 3 colours,

    by malchizedik

    all about my mother,run lola run, and scream 3. not to mention usually thoroughly enjoying Diane Keaton in every thing she's in.Ok, AAMM and 3Colours were some of my very favourite films. And while the labeling is completely subjective and miserable,it is basically necessary with so many of formula and tripe like Hanging Up(which when i first heard of, i was looking forward to) it creates itself. Having a description of a film comes with the territory, and yes if more 'female' filmmakers were to actively participate in Hollywood, then what the fuck, Amy Pascal and Linda Obst are some of Ephron's best friends. they themselves have tried to create a 'girly' faction in hollywood, and they are precisely the people who are marketing these films. all thumbs made an intelligent request for Ephron to 'stop doing this to us' as in MAKING these films, but i have never seen anyone stop themselves from REFERRING to Die Hard or Under Siege2 as being a guy film. This has a target audience of yuppie women or whatever you want to call them, it is there to cash in. I love most all movies, and yes this whole ENTIRE ISSUE is incredibly MULTI FACETED, with billions of opinions,but there are too many contradictions to pin this down, so by that very logic, it IS subjective, which cancels out All thumbs arguement, noone is discrediting women, god knows they do their part, but the semantics of this issue is ridiculous.

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  • Feb 12, 2000 5:02:36 PM CST

    ahh what a can of worms we've opened up here

    by everett robert

    what makes and what doesn't make a chick flick, I think that is the main question here, good points about Chasing Amy and Run Lola run , what I think makes a "chick flick" to use the common terminology, is a movie aimed at and starring woman, movies I would put into the chick flick catagory would be The Other Sister, The First Wives club, City of Angles, Sleepless in Seattle, etc...I think we know a chick flick when we see it, however that is not to say that these movies are bad, not in the least, at least no worse then say True Lies, Heavy Metal, the Blues Brothers, Batman, Predator, etc...why do I say this, because the "dick flick" movies are aimed at guys and the "chick flicks" are aimed at girls...guys like certain things in their movies, girls with big tits,large guns, car chases, cheap humor, etc..while girls like sensitive touching movies about FEMALE relationships and female empowerment, these are things that are important to woman and not to men and that's why the make movies like that...yes I wish they made more sense or didn't have plot holes or what not, but I think people feel that way about "dick flicks" too--I hope this makes sense and isn't just incoherent rambling

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  • Feb 12, 2000 5:03:06 PM CST

    "Hanging Up", just another tired ass chick flick...

    by sexualchocolate1

    Me being a guy, I'm starting to get really sick of all these silly, pointless and drastically UNfunny chick flicks. Chick flicks, like "First Wives Club" which was another lame Diane Keaton movie, are relitively know for their poor, goofy, and lame girly jokes. So this movie won't surprise me if it seems simular to "First Wives Club". God, I just can't stand chick flicks anymore. They ALL have those same dumbass jokes that only white women between the ages of 23-death would laugh at! Of course, guys like myself and many others would totally enjoy gross, cum jokes like in "There's Something About Mary". But there's something about chick flicks that really make them all seem so lame and phony. Damn, I can't express my anger toward sour chick flick jokes anymore. Nuff said. Peace!

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  • Feb 12, 2000 5:04:19 PM CST

    Yecchh...

    by dominican dandy

    ...'Tis only February and the tv ads for 'Hanging Up' will definitely take the cake for the worst promotion job on a Hollywood flick in 2000. Screeching and giggling is all I remember. If I ever had any intention of seeing this, that ad would guarantee I won't now.

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  • Feb 12, 2000 5:23:37 PM CST

    I never asked anyone not to use "chick flick"

    by all thumbs

    I just think that if you use that, then you should admit there is another genre that is aimed in a vice-versa way at men. Not all "dick flicks" (Did I coin a phrase on this site? I can't believe that.) are bad just as all "chick flicks" are bad. Lazarus Long said exactly what I was thinking but couldn't put into words when I was going off earlier. I think trying to be ultra-PC is just crazy because it can't happen, I just think that a lot more men on this site need to give the testosterone-challenged movies a chance. And that goes for women and the estrogen-less movies, too.

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  • Feb 12, 2000 6:58:07 PM CST

    What I am trying to say is...

    by gsolo

    labeling can be limiting. Are "Hanging Up" and "The Piano" both chick flicks? Usually, from what I have experienced, chick flick has been used derogatorily, as in "No, I don't want to see that. It's another chick flick." It gets to the point where any film with lead women is a chick flick. Is "Girl, Interupted" one? Does this mean that every movie with male leads is a guy film? Or is it that women share perspectives with us, but we pretty much stick with our our own? Are chick flicks geared toward women? What would make us interested in it? If we throw some men in there. The generalizing is really narrow minded and pointless and to often it comes across as being hostile. Basically, someone made a shitty movie. I don't normally hear someone saying "This GUY made this shitty movie called "Under Siege."

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  • Feb 12, 2000 8:24:08 PM CST

    that is simply not true gsolo...

    by malchizedik

    i know for a fact that you yourself have heard people, whether it was a friend or family member who may not be well versed in production trivia to refer to a movie as having a guy director as in 'this was made by that GUY that did __' or' that film sucks, they did a shitty job', or if the director is universally known, possibly spielberg 'HE always has to moralize, he sucks' 'HIS stuff is just so bland' ok, i think you know what were saying here don't you. sure it's a bit narrow minded but its quick and explicit to a degree. what is lame brained and pointless is to eschew all euphemisms for a long, drawn out, paranoid explanation.who cares

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  • Feb 12, 2000 10:47:15 PM CST

    Meg McBeal

    by dawson's crack

    Let me just say this...Hollywood does not, nor will it ever understand real women, and what they are really like and how they really speak. Women go to see these movies because there is simply NO other representation out there for them. That's why Alley McBeal is so popular. Now all of the networks are scrambling together trying to make clones of Sex in the City, but something tells me they still won't get it. And I don't know how many times I have heard Meg Ryan complain about how typecast she is. Well how about this, honey...DON'T EVER MAKE MOVIES LIKE THIS AGAIN!!!!! I mean, how many millions of dollars do you have in your bank account? Why don't you invest your money in an intelligent film? And that goes for all of the other actresses out there complaining about what kind of roles there are. CREATE THEM DAMMIT!!!!!

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  • Feb 13, 2000 12:12:55 AM CST

    Steel Magnolias

    by laughingbuddha

    Steel Magnolias is no chick flick! The difference between a quality film and a chick flick is writing. Steel Magnolias was a screenplay adapted from a stageplay that won several Tony Awards. Pick any actress in the film. When biographical pieces are done on these women, Steel Magnolias is ALWAYS mentioned because many people consider those roles (in Steel Magnolias) to be the finest ever written for women in film. Hanging Up is just filler for the studio to release between the Holidays and May when the summer fare explodes on the screen. My point is this: just because a film has a cast primarily made of women, does not mean a guy needs to avoid it. A film should be judged for it's content and ability to tell a story worth seeing. Steel Magnolias is a great film. Not because it is about women, but because of the work those actresses do in telling the story of those women.

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  • Feb 13, 2000 2:04:11 AM CST

    Ephron(s)

    by claire

    I am one of the people who can't believe that Nora Ephron continues to have a flourishing career with the kind of dreck she and her sister produce. I think her movies are an embarassment to women (who they are obviously aimed at). I can't believe that she is married to Nick Pileggi (Goodfellas and Casino scripts). Can't she ask him for some advice? Or maybe he can't stand to read the crap she writes. I wish the Ephrons would go away. The only thing worse than a Nora Ephron script is a Nora Ephron directed film.

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  • Feb 13, 2000 2:34:58 PM CST

    ugh....

    by bigdaddymuffla

    I knew this one was trouble ever since I heard about it 6 or 7 months ago. I think I heard that the "real" director QUIT the project and Keaton took the dutys (I know it was something like that). It looks like more of that "first wives club" tripe bullshit.

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  • Feb 13, 2000 10:47:03 PM CST

    ALL THUMBS: Why bad action films don't go by the title "Penis Fl

    by el duderino

    (in trucker voice)"Hey Hank, I hear there's a good PENIS flick playing at the General Cinema at 7:00."

    Does an action movie come to mind with that term? Not THAT kind of action, but nuclear warheads and kung-fu action? I don't think all minds of the same sex think alike in any way, and I hate how society believes that all members of the same sex are all the same (yet there are people out there that do think alike). So I am against the chick flick title. Oh yeah, random thought, Chris Rock is the funniest bigot on Earth!!

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  • Feb 13, 2000 11:58:26 PM CST

    A new classification!

    by queenie

    How 'bout if we start calling all the shoot 'em up, blow 'em crap action movies "dick flicks"?

    I think that would be very appropriate. And as a woman I don't find the term chick flick offensive in the least.

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  • Feb 14, 2000 12:13:08 AM CST

    Chick Fliks

    by angry catholic

    OK OK lets look at this for a moment...A film with female leads is NOT a chick flick...A flim that is is sappy melodramtic, laced with male bashing, (White males being accused of child mostlation, rape, abadoning women etc...), the leads lip synching a 60's motown song and many looonnngggg disscussion about feelings and Janet Maslin having a estrogenic orgasm in her reviews are chick flicks...So you ask why are they derieded so...Simple...When crap like Under Siege 2 is made it is roundly (and rightly ) slammed by critics. We hear how Hollywood is just overpopulated with men who are turnig young boys into sexist pigs with this...YET when a Hanging Up comes out the critics will give it a free ride we hear about women taking charge in hollywood (This was evident in a Recent LA times article...) and how well all live so much better cause a movie that discussed feelings and how those white males got their just desserts...And Yeah I agree with the talkbacker who talked about MEG RYAN complaints about these flims IF YOU FEEL TYPE CAST THEN TAKE YOUR MONEY AND MAQKE A FILM THAT WILL BREAK THE MOLD....By the way lets starve rosie O'donnelll feed some kids while were at it..'

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