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A New Creature Photo From JOHN CARTER OF MARS!!

Merrick here...

...fighting memories of ATTACK OF THE CLONES.

This is from EW, which also offers some perspective on this creature (a White Ape) HERE.  Per JCM director Andrew Stanton...

...they’re sort of an oversized gorilla in the books, and they’re kind of ubiquitous. They’re littered everywhere through at least the first several novels. They were always cool, just from a visceral standpoint, [but] they don’t really have a narrative function in the first book. So what we did is we made the White Apes a formidable creature that you kind of hear about throughout the movie, but you never really witness. 


We needed a scene where Carter was going have to get out of his execution sentence in order to move the story forward, and we thought what better than having to go up against this formidable creature?

JCM hits March 9.  Click to EMBIGGEN (slightly)! 





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  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    is this from the new Muppet movie?

    by nolan bautista

    or the sequel to Where the Wild Things Are?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Boy this week its become AIEWN

    by openthepodbaydoorshal


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by nolan bautista

    Happy Thanksgiving to Harry and staff and all my AICN friends..gobble gobble!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Are those quotes from the same interview?

    by Bass Ackwards

    That made me LOL.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Doesn't look good.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I quite like the look of that image

    by D o o d

    the trailer sucks though!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Happy Turkey Day to you too Merrick..

    by nolan bautista

    and embrace,rather than fight, your memories of AOTC..

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Furry Rancor *yawns*

    by marineboy

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    you can really tell it's actually in the same space as Taylor Kitsch

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    he better pull on that chain quick because it might get him

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I believe ...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    That in the first book, Carter and Woola happen upon a white ape in the ruins of an ancient city and together (I think) they kill the beast. Does it attack Carter, Woola attacks it, but Woola is injured and about to be killed by the ape when Carter intervenes himself, distracting the creature and killing it, saving Woola and earning eternal devotion from the dog-like creature? That sounds fairly Burroughs-esque. Almost named my dog Woola. Love that character. This CG is not earning any love from me. Also, if memory serves, doesn't Carter return to the Tharks and tell Tars Tarkas the story of Tarkas's long-lost daughter and that Tarkas then kills that douche bag green Martian, becoming head of the Tharks and freeing Carter?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Call it by its generic boring title please.

    by knowthyself


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    This movie is starting to look like ...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    It's going to make the Asylum version look like a work of art.

  • and not so much on the foreground person

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by Jimbo08lak

    Deleted scene?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Here's what I can't understand

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    How can anyone think that looks good? I mean, aside from the trailer, **THIS** is the shot they release? Really? On second thought, I guess I can understand it, but I just didn't think it was that infectious. My wife does book covers for a romance publisher and she will often slave over them for hours and hours. Then she asks me to take a look and I'll quickly notice something off that she's overlooked -- something unbalanced or something that's too large or too small, whatever. She (and apparently the FX crew on this) get so caught up in their work that they lose themselves in the details and forget the big picture. And the big picture here ... sucks. It's fucking terrible. Everything in that shot screams CG, except for the clearly superimposed real actor. Really disappointed. I was so looking forward John Carter OF MARS.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Breaking Dawn audience laughed at this film's trailer.

    by frankenberry

    I repeat, the Breaking Dawn audience thought this film looked silly.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:04 p.m. CST

    If they can make this work it will be HUGE

    by performingmonkey

    Though Pixar's Brave looks like a boring retread of several flicks we've had over the last few years so I'm not hyping myself up for THAT particular effort. John Carter is a different ballgame.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by ObiBen

    Yes it is.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I'm Waiting For Joe Carter of Toronto

    by Aquatarkusman

    Hittin' World Series-winning home run's and shit against a CGI MItch Williams.

  • Come on, Harry worked on this project with another studio for seven years! There's no way they aren't going to let him play it on his birthday!

  • I've seen that trailer for ''John Carter'' where a guy fights people on a trampoline in the desert. Are they working on a parody already? Did that one come out and I just missed it? I was really wondering how this John Carter guy got that trampoline all the way out into the desert and why. So in the parody he's from Mars?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Attack of the Clones

    by GulDucati

    Part 2

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    I'm digging it.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    John Carter of Geonosis?

    by Royston Lodge

    By golly, that image looks familiar.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    In order to know that, frankenberry...

    by skycrapper

    you'd have to be at a showing of Breaking Dawn. You just outed yourself... However JC of Mars does look bad.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    That design is nowhere close to Asylum's bran of bad CGI

    by D.Vader

    Some of you guys over exaggerate way too much on here.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    is it really a 'photo' if it's a grab of a 90% CG scene?


    just that really photography? i think 'image' or 'picture' would be more appropriate...but maybe i'm just splitting white ape hairs.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    So it's a furry cave troll.

    by kevred

    Design seems to be lazy in a lot of films these days. Even Thor, which I liked a lot, had a cave-troll ripoff as the frost giants' big baddie. What made Star Wars and LOTR cool was that they were influenced by more than just films form the previous few years. Hope this is a neat, fun, imaginative film. If so, my comments are nitpicking. If not, well, we've seen this before, haven't we?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Mars is red

    by Jaster Mareel

    Guess nobody told them that.

  • I'd rather see a good Booster Gold film (or have the upcoming SyFY series be good).

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see Jimmy Carter of Georgia


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Shouldn't this be a sc-fi adventure tale?

    by Jaster Mareel

    There is no reference at all to Mars, and it looks fuck-all like Mars, so it just looks like a weepy doomed romance in the desert...then mutants show up. Sort of like The Hills Have Eyes with Hulk jumping. I don't know who they think they're audience is, but all that trailer does is confuse people.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Bwahahahha. Nice, Dr.Strangelove

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Gut feeling says.

    by hallmitchell

    This movie will flop!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST


    by big_log

    That's some funny shit right there. Can't wait to see CGI Mitch Williams almost fall on his face as he spins around.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Looks like SHIT.!!

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    The trailer doesn't mention MARS, Fett

    by D.Vader

    The title doesn't mention MARS either. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the movie never mentions Mars and only calls it BARSOOM, since most intelligent people in the audience will say "But men can't breathe on Mars."

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Always Good

    by Aquatarkusman

    When your source material was from a time, astronomically, where they actually that the canals/channels of Mars were man-made... because only one Italian guy had a telescope powerful enough to see them. I mean, we're talking stuff that's a generation behind Flash Gordon, for shit's sake (and two generations behind Forbidden PLanet).

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hearing AotC 2 makes me wonder if strongly opinioned ppl have any clue at all

    by johndalf greymane

    Lucas is the derivative hack. [from Wiki: Burroughs began work on "A Princess of Mars" in the summer of 1911...] Stories like this is the great great grandfather of any space opera/adventure sci-fi that any of us are familiar with, including Star Wars. What Lucas didnt lift from the classic storytellers, he lifted from Campbell. I still laugh at Lucas' original character concept for 'Luke Starkiller'. Im glad there were better heads around to put a hand on the tiller in the original trilogy.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by Aquatarkusman

    By man-made, I mean designed by an alien intelligence. It would be like somebody saw the first sunspots and thought "gee whillikers, those look like islands, I'll bet little green men live on them even though the surface temperature is like 100,000 degrees."

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by johndalf greymane

    I'll give John Carter a chance. I care less about cutting edge CGI than I do about story.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Looks more interesting than those stupid Prometheus pics...


    of people standing around and that retarded giant head. AOTC? That movie sucked- cuz its script was by George lucass- the script 4 this film is by Pixar vets and an award winning novelist. U know LOTR was a whole hell of a lot like the cartoon from the cartoon from the 70s and every shitty sword & sorcery fantasy flick that came out in between save 4 one was uh, good. It's about exefuckingcution fellas. Take AOTC & shove it up yer ass

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Why is it that no matter how many of these CGI critters I see...?

    by AlienFanatic

    ...the less impressive they become? Not once have I thought, lately, "Oh man, that's a really cool idea!" From the flower monster in Star Trek to the zombies in I Am Legend, most of this stuff just seems TERRIBLY uninspired. At least, with rubber men in suits you could see the effort up on screen. You knew a buncha sweaty guys in a cavernous garage spent weeks curing rubber and sewing hairs into the suit. For these CGI films, all I get is the impression of a fat guy, sitting with a Red Bull in one hand and drawing squigglies in a Wacom until something like this fuzzy, toothy, angry Teddy Ruxpin farts out. And this is what audiences are loving? Really?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    This movie needs more RED Mars--and probably more nudity

    by Drath

    Because butt cheeks help every movie so long as they don't belong to Kathy Bates or Jack Nicholson.

  • The light on the creature looks WAY different from the actor. Was this just a hack Photoshop job?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Looks like crap

    by 900LBGorilla

    And I am a huge fan of the books from when I was young... Stanton directing was a moronic decision.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by The_Skook

    The problem with CG is that it's become lazy. Analogue special effects had presence and interactivity. Imagine just how good real time animatronics, model making, and animation would be if the same energy was directed at them with today's technology rather than just filling in the blanks where CG becomes impractical..?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    This is such an abomination to the John Carter universe!

    by pavel hora

    Hope the culprits rot in filmmaking hell.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Looks stupid...Don't care

    by AzulTool

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Is that a large and moving Torg or a giant Slor?

    by Pat

    If it's a giant Slor the Shuvs and Zuuls will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Wow people...

    by DrBathroomMD

    -More than 4 months away still -Bitching about CLEARLY unfinished VFX :|

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Oh, now. Sure. Now, it's that way. Since the air factories shut down. But a century ago? When the air factories were working? S/F-fantasy action-adventure and hot, naked, red bitches all over the place.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Looks like it was extrapolated...

    by jimmy_009

    ...directly from the LOTR cave troll.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Is it just me ...

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Or is d. vader a real genius? "[M]ost intelligent people in the audience will say ... blah, blah, blah." This is SF-fantasy from about 19-fucking-12. Anyone with half a brain knows that or can look it up. What kind of a stunning rocket scientist criticizes a SF-fantasy-action-adventure movie FROM ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO because IN REALITY Mars has no atmosphere? Probably the same kind of an Einstein who ... Whines that X-wing fighters can't make sounds in space ... Or that there cannot be a primeval land at the center of the earth in "A Journey to the Center of the Earth" or "At the Earth's Core" ... Or that there are no REAL Martians when watching or reading "War of the Worlds" ... Or that you can't really travel to the moon in a vehicle shot out of a cannon ... Or that you can't really shrink people down to travel in a ship through the blood stream ... Maybe the same kind of people who watch teen love triangles between a fucking vampire and a werewolf will be all over this movie because you CAN'T FUCKING BREATH ON THE SURFACE OF MARS, but I really doubt it. It's FANTASY, genius. F-A-N-T-A-S-Y.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    @the bicycle sharer : Post of the Day

    by marineboy

    You're great lol :)

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    So this website just shows us what's in EW this week?

    by TenaciousDoc

  • however, this won't make 700 million, which is disney's sequel bar for it. and the way disney is marketing this movie, it will be lucky to break even. damned shame. this property deserved better.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Is this before or after they kill off Jango Fett?

    by davidwebb

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    looks more rhino than ape

    by wattos new hat

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I had such high hopes for this...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and still don't want to bail on it completely yet, but I'm not liking it so far. It looks far too glum and aenemic. Burroughs' Martian tales were colorful, larger-than-life adventure stories full of epic battles, swashbuckling and nary a brooding brow in sight. Why couldn't they even make Barsoom reddish? You want to see how Burroughs' Mars should look like? Check out the new Dynamite comics which are fantastic; packed with action, gore, swordfights, women wearing almost nothing but pasties and, above all, FUN. Those of you unfamiliar with John Carter should do an image search for: warlord of mars dynamite. THAT'S fucking Barsoom.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    =and hot, naked, red bitches all over the place.=

    by KilliK


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST

    i liked the antonia sabato jr and tracy lords version so i'm in a minority but

    by EyeForgiveMelGibson

    i think they should use more non cg created aliens and fx to make it all seem more real and tangible, cause this could be a great film. but only if they follow the blue prints of star wars a new hope and empire strikes back and make a good practical fx drama and insert the computerized and cg fx only when needed.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ you guys.


    I think you folks in the Internet-geek community are being a little too preemptive in your grim forecasts for this movie. Most of your opinions are based off a TEASER that came out five months ago. They just finished putting the movie together. Most teasers don't show you anything other than a logo for fuck's sake. There's a lot of talent involved here, chances are it's gonna be really good. So what if it's based on a series of books that aren't well known to the general public...what pre-existing franchise was The Matrix based on? What slew of hits did the W-bros have under their belt hmmm? Was Iron Man a household favorite six months before the films release? Let's not forget all the dire 'gut feelings' about Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Tron: Legacy had a WAY bigger chance of bombing than this- based solely on content- but by the month before release, the Disney-machine had everybody and their dog interested in seeing it. The only reason it wasn't a monster hit was because it simply wasn't that good. It's probably a safe bet that by Feb everyone except those living in caves will be aware of John's fucking Disney after all. The concept has broad appeal- it does- it's a sci-fi fantasy flick that mixes elements of Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, Pirates of the Carribban and Superman...all rolled up into a family package- directed by the Finding Nemo/wall E guy and starring a dude that the teenyboppers are already drooling 'riggins shirtless! omfg!!' All the movie has to do is deliver. It has zero competition in It's in 300 territory. If it's good, if it gets good reviews, there's nothing to stop it from dominating until Dark Knight. And it's a safe bet imo that it will be good. Great cast, tons of talent behind the scenes, most likely an excellent script....I could be wrong, but I was 100 percent excited about both Iron Man and Rise of the Planet of the Apes when basically NOBODY else was. I think John Carter is going to surprise a lot of people.

  • That is such a huge amount to gamble on an unknown quantity.

  • This thing looks like a SyFy production from top to bottom. What the fuck is wrong with Disney?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    tough crowd

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Young 20 year olds need to dig up FANGORIA & CINEMAGIC back issues...

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    ...and recreate the practical effects industry. They need to merge the classic techniques with modern technology. Hollywood won't give up on CG until somebody shows them HOW to do it.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    What a bunch of hipsters

    by Crobran

    If you're going to complain about how you can't breathe on the surface of Mars - ergo that makes this unrealistic - then go watch the Discovery channel. They also don't have giant creatures on Mars, or any kind of creature at all that we know of.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...


    and we didn't have a 'pre-history' of elves, hobbits and dragons here on earth either geniuses

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Looks like the monster needs a tooth extraction from a misfit elf.

    by LaneMyersClassic

    Bumbles bounce GODDAMMIT!!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    It's called 'suspension of disbelief'


    Besides, the only reason there's no life on mars is cuz the atmosphere factories stopped working. Lol- another idea that Cameron ripped off.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Paul Verhoeven made Total Recall

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    See you at the party wonkabar

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Oh you were talking about Avatar

    by Margot Tenenbaum


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I'm talking about Aliens...


    See you at the part margo

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Damn this iPhone keypad


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Also 'John Conner'


    Sounds a lot like Carter as so many clever folks have pointed out with their 'I thought it was a Terminator sequel' comments. I've always thought the factory in aliens was a rip from Burroughs, and with Avatar & Cameron's confessed love for the series, we now know that it was. And Lucas... Jesus. And all this time the geeks thought the word Jedi was derived from some Japanese bullshit. Christ

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    John Carter, you must gnarfle the Garthok!

    by PorkChopXpress

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Star Wars

    by Eric Shea

    The reason these images remind people of creatures from Star Wars is because Lucas stole so much almost straight from Burroughs' books, right down to the names like "Jeddak" and "banths."

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST

    And sith and pawar...


    The whole opening of Return of the Jedi. Lol- my iPhone auto-caps Jedi

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST



  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Where's Queen Amidala and Mace Windu?

    by Hesiod2k7

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I've Waited For These Stories To Be Films For A Long Time

    by Real Deal

    I just hope they live up to the magic I read as a child. So far from what I've seen they just might. I'm pretty sure Disney would want to get this one right so I have faith. I thought the trailer was ok and if some audience laughed at it ( as some guy said ) then they probably aren't familiar with the material. Audiences laughed at Dune for the same reason. These are great fantasy stories that I thought they'd never be able to put on the big screen. However now that we have the tech used in Avatar the time has finally come. Please don't screw this up!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    John Cougar

    by deelzbub

    of Mellencamp

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Re : wonkabar

    by Real Deal

    You're being way too easy on the Trolls here. This site is notorious for stupid hate comments about everything and not to be taken seriously. When the film comes out we'll really see how it is. I'm hoping for a big hit of a picture.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    looks really bad

    by BBSloth

    I dig Phobos & Diemos though

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Re: real deal


    Boy, you said it...been coming to the place since pretty much the get-go. I remember the LOTR-bashing vividly. Shit, I had to start trolling myself just to help maintain my sense of humor about it. 'this shit only appeals to dice-throwing homos...20 mil tops! FACT! U have been schooled loser-lovers!whiptash!' etc.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I thought it looked okay

    by hulkiest

    Except for the weiner playing the lead. I'd be more interested if Sam whatshisface from Avatar was the hero. Heck, the guy from GI Joe, --the block head. He'd give me more hope for a good movie. Stupid Leonardo DiCaprio. He started all this! Pretty soon they'll just hire girls to play boys. Like a reverse Shakespeare deal.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    I've been holding my breath


    for Attack of the Clones 2. Nice!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale is John Carter

    by Jon

    I read the first three books after I heard the movie was coming out, and I LOVED them. God, I want this movie to be good. However, it seems like every new detail we hear about the movie is disappointing. I won't give up hope until I see it, but damn this movie is trying to be unpopular.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST

    @max cherry


    I have read them. I'm talking about box office- mr riggins just happens to be appealing to that segment of the population. The 300 'territory' comment was in reference to the month in which which both films were released i.e. there's not a lot of box office competition. And yes, I expect Disney will be making sure this appeals to kids despite having a planned PG-13 rating. Like LOTR it will probably be fine... Unlike Dune, which had mothers & children expecting the next SW and getting a creepy-twisted David Lynch movie in space- and running for the exists as soon as the floating fat man started pulling heart plugs lol. But rest assured, Disney is most definitely drawing up the contracts with Burger King, Coke, Mattel etc.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Will the princess show her sweet ass naked?

    by KilliK


  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    I hear ya max


    I would have been interested in the Robert Rodriguez version...though I think they were leaning toward making Carter a modern soldier ala the Asylum version, which would have sucked. In fact, I know they were on the Conran version- which had Powell going to mars and becoming the villain. But yeah, it would have been cool to have had a gory 300 style Carter movie- but at the end of the day, that's not what the books were about- they more akin to Sta Wars than to Conan. Yeah, Carter fucked people up, but I never really pictured body parts flying everywhere. I guess it depends on the imagination of the person reading. But going back to LOTR- that managed to be effective at PG-13. It sacrificed nothing and was still friendly to the happy meal/toy crowd. Stanton has stated he wants to go a similar route. Back to Dune- I still can't believe that shit didn't get an R - even by today's standards. Fuck, that first scene with baron harkonnen is one the most depraved things ever put to film. I can't believe Universal even THOUGHT of marketing that shit to kids LOL!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Isn't that the creature from The Coneheads movie?

    by MaxHeadroom

    Well. Isn't it?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Pirates of the Carrabbian


    A movie based on a fucking theme-park ride? ...that only a sliver of the population has even ridden? Starring quirky, indie actor Johnny Depp? How the fuck do you make a movie out of a fucking ride. Why would would you spend millions of dollars on such a thing? What the fuck is Disney thinking?? ....billions of dollars later- what the fuck were YOU thinking

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Skycrapper_deuce, I 'outed' myself?

    by frankenberry

    As what, a guy who agreed to take his fiancee to see Breaking Dawn? Um, okay...

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Err Carribean


    Damn iPhone & early turkey at the folks place. Time for Survivor. 'night

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Err Caribbean


    Fuk me

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    @maxcherry do you have any link with that preproduction art?

    by KilliK

    i am curious to see it.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:57 p.m. CST

    wow you so called geeks don't even know what this is

    by pw

    Read the fucking books, then come back and slag it off. This looks fucking awesome to this John Carter fan and is not far off this Julie Bell and Boris Vallejo image

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:06 a.m. CST

    maxcherry, trust me on this one, dude

    by pw

    This movie will kick your ass. Fuck whoever put that shitty trailer together. Word this week from people in the industry say it's pretty fucking spectacular!

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    lazy & boring design - rips off LOTR cave troll

    by james_cameron_raped_my_childhood

    Can't blame the creature designers, they probably came up with all sorts of cool stuff. Just another poor choice by Stanton. My interest in this movie keeps sinking.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Ok, well now we know we can pass on this one

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    and that's always useful information.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:04 a.m. CST

    please don't suck

    by Have_Penis_Will_Travel

    waited a very long time for a John Carter of Barsoom movie don't kill the franchise aborning like they did with the fantastic four movies

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST

    This is going down as one of the most epic financial disasters in movie history


  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    You Haters need a Life

    by WASPFAN

    Book 1 came out in 1912 -- read them probably over 10 times each since 1978 -- Just re-read first two... You guys are really being silly in this thread - the trailer was awesome - the picture above looks pretty awesome -- On a geek fucking site like this - you think the fuckers would be behind a movie like this -- but they just follow the web tenants -- This looks NOTHING like AOTC to me -- and guys -- MARS is really not all that RED -- look at the little robot pictures -- I for one - am looking forward to this -- remember AVATAR -- you fuckers were all over that one as well -- and Avatar did rock... still don't understand people that come here just to complain -- man -- nothing would make you fuckers happy --- just saying....

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST

    I'd rather see a shot of Dejah Thoris please..

    by Phategod2

    And she better be 3/4 nekkid.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST


    by WASPFAN

    I am with ya - too much talent involved to fail...

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Episode 2 comparisons.

    by Clumzor

    When I watched he genosis scenes in Attack of the Clones, I couldn't help but think that it was all very Princess of Mars. Even that Nexu monster was a lot like I imagined a Banth.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST

    @maxcherry thanx mate.

    by KilliK

  • the Story in Gentlemen Broncos.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Geonosis? Wrong way around.

    by bill

    The reason this reminds people of AotC is very simple. Where do you think Lucas got the f#ng idea? When I first saw that seen in SWII I thought "Wow, it's Barsoom." Hell even the Nexu is a nod-and-a-wink to a Banth.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Conan on Mars?

    by Gezoes

    Oh well, at least there will be something in the bargain bin.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 5:53 a.m. CST

    kesselrunner606, Yep! spot on.

    by pw

    But you have to bear in mind that a lot of these muppets don't have any interest or knowledge of things that came before 1990, let alone something written about in 1912.

  • Have been wanting to reread it, but never found the time or chance. Maybe with the released of this movie i might finally catch up.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Kerry Conran's version would've been the one.

    by BranMakMorn

    But thanks to the Paramount execs that dropped the ball, they lost the studio millions of dollars and would've been on the third film by now. Now we have this soft, rather effeminate designed version of Barsoom.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    branmakmorn, not sure I agree with you there, man

    by pw

    I like the movie, but Sky Captain didn't quite turn out to be the masterpiece everyone said it was going to be.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Bike Sharer

    by D.Vader

    I'm only pointing out what is possibly going on the heads of the those making the movie. Everyone knows MARS is red. Everyone knows you can't breathe on MARS. The filmmakers could have their reasons for not making MARS completely red and for not mentioning MARS in title, and it could be for the reason I mentioned. But if you want to make assumptions and be a judgmental asshole instead of thinking through what I said, be my guest.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Not bad

    by MurderMostFowl

    I've learned to not let any single piece of art make me write off a movie ... or... jump for joy. Funny that people keep talking The SW prequels and LOTR. Those two series were the pinnacle of the consequences of expectations. The SW prequels, especially TPM was the easiest sell to the audience of any movie ever... I myself was ready to cradle George Lucas' balls. Then.... it came out. and.... sucked. The opposite happened with LOTR. We were all so skeptical ( for me it was actually directly due to the SW prequels sucking so bad ) and then there were little leaks and set pictures that made me dare to hope... that maybe it wouldn't be a disaster. I remember in the theater opening night, I set my expectations cautiously low... then a miracle. So now we have the bar being set so high for soe many other projects. Why? The two most anticipated series of all time have had their day. Don't worry about it. John Carter will be fine. It won't be as good as LOTR, and it won't be as bad as the SW prequels. It will be fine.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    White apes are not that big in the books, but...

    by CuervoJones

    what the hell, i like that giant monster.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    BIGGEST Flop of 2012

    by Haroon Khan

    Mark My Words

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Has anyone said this looks like a video game cut scene yet?

    by D.Vader

    Come on, Naysaying Talkbackers, you're letting us down!

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Looks Harryhausen-esque to me

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by pw

    This should answer some questions. Shhh don't tell the haters. Let them have egg on their face when the movie turns out to be something pretty cool and special.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    That thing does look scary ...

    by ReportAbuse

    Good thing it'll probably just stand there and growl menacingly at him long enough for him to get that chain out of the ground, rather than attack and kill him immediately which would make more sense.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    @asimovlives we know.we have watched COSMOS too,you know.

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST

    WOW!!! That looks so real...

    by Linguo_IS_Dead

    National Geographic should make a set visit to catalog that new species!!!

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I don't assume everybody watched COSMOS. Specially the younglings.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 4:38 p.m. CST

    maybe in this movie Barsoon is not Mars.

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST

    It's Mars, for sure.

    by DocPazuzu

    Just look at the end of the teaser -- it's a stylized "JCM", as in "John Carter of Mars".

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by nickbeta


  • Nov. 24, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by nickbeta

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    This John Carter looks like he was in some teen show

    by chien_sale

    Not what I imagined as John Carter

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    DocPaz, I wouldn't trust the logo

    by D.Vader

    That is to say, the stylized logo seems more like a nod to the fans who know the source material than it is a clue to the non-fans that this takes place on Mars. In fact, I would not be surprised if the movie never makes any overt reference to Mars and only mentions Barsoom. Maybe someone will mention the planet's distance from the sun, and the smart ones will get it, but I bet it will be very subtle. As subtle as the movie's logo is for those who know the source material.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:37 p.m. CST

    6 legs ( 5 asses ? )

    by MurderMostFowl

    Wow... goot to bring a 10 year + old joke back, but am I the last person to realize that the creature here has 6 legs?

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 2:54 a.m. CST

    d. vader

    by DocPazuzu

    If that's the case, then we're in Doom territory, which is bad. If you recall, they changed the planet from Mars to something else until Doom fans went nuts and they changed it back. The cavalier attitude of those filmmakers is something I'd really not like to see in connection to John Carter. What galls me so much is that properties as golden as JCM (and Doom, for that matter) are pretty much ready made for the silver screen yet studios insist on pretending that they're smarter than the material and the audiences, when in fact they're the philistines. I've been a huge John Carter fan for most of my life and it would be very painful to see them fuck this up. Hope springs eternal.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I'm sad to say this project seems a bit limp to me

    by tomimt

    Of course it's a bit too early to say anything concrete yet, but yeah, I think Disney might have a huge failure in their hands. The trailers are lackluster and somehow the whole movie looks like it's out of steam.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST

    The reason for the title change

    by pw

    Why did they remove the "of Mars" mention in the movies new title. Why is it just called John Carter? "I know I'm going to get this question all day and probably for the rest of my frickin' life: Why 'John Carter?' This has had quite an evolution of me figuring out what was the best thing to do for this book to preserve what I thought was timeless about it, what I thought was the resonant elements about it, but not be afraid to tweak or alter things for the benefit of it, so that it would translate the best it could to screen. Nobody's a bigger fan of these books than me, or at least I could match myself with a lot of people. I'm also a huge cinephile, and I have witnessed that to honor the book literally word-for-word never makes a good movie. How can I somehow do that and make you feel like how it felt to read the books when you're watching the movie? You have to be willing in private to be able to dismantle it all, break it apart, analyze it, and look at it almost objectively as if you were making it from scratch, and then see what comes back together. It's actually not that different than when you have to rewrite anything that you've done once you've done the first draft. In doing so, I also found that — this is the wrong crowd to get this — not everybody's into sci-fi. I've tried really hard to capture what I thought was universal and timeless about this book that is above and beyond the genre itself. I don't want to exclude anybody from a wrong first impression assumption about this movie or this property, so I didn't want to lie and say it isn't what it is, so I said, "Let's sell the character that we put all our efforts towards." Believe me, Mars is going to come into this thing, title and everything, before this whole journey's over. You've just got to be patient. There was a grand design to all this thing. That's the most I want to say, because I don't want to spoil it even for you guys. You've got to know that it was not a studio-driven hammer on me, and it was not a decision that came quickly. I put a lot of thought into what's the most promising way to make a good first impression to a majority of the world that does not know anything about this, and invite them in and hopefully make them enjoy it as much as the people that do love it. That's the best way I can put it."

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 4:36 a.m. CST

    So this movie is set in an alternate universe then?

    by AsimovLives

    An alternate universe where Mars is habitable by men. I can guess the studio's stress in regard to this story, in that "Men can't live on Mars" worry. Studios must be stressed that people would be taken out of the story if they acknowledge the story is set on Mars right from the get go. Sometimes i think studios worry about the wrong things. The funny thing is that when the book was writen, circa 1911 or so, there was still some plausability to the notion that people might find Mars habitable and walk about it without worries of breathable air. Though in the scientific comunity that idea was already dying a definitive death. But the public took quite a while to catch up with the science, which is why even in the 1950s we still have movies about martians invading us and nt have much of problem with our air, as if this two planets' atmospheres were interchangeble. Notable exception was ROBISON CRUISE OF MARS, which did some rationalization to that issue.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Robinson Crusoe, dammit!!

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    The problem, barryknowles...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...with that quote is that it classifies JCM as sci-fi while it's much closer to fantasy both in tone and with the trappings, much like Star Wars is fantasy in sci-fi disguise. Saying that you're smoothing down those pesky "sci-fi" elements is simply shorthand for making a film as broad as possible. Not usually a good sign. With the popularity of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, JCM would have to change very little to appeal to a huge crowd. I hope I'm wrong and that JCM blows my mind, I really do.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    As for breathable Martian air...

    by DocPazuzu's an irrelevant argument. Even Burroughs clearly stated that Mars was a dying world, its air constantly replenished by huge atmospheric plants. With a bit of goodwill and suspension of disbelief it's not too hard to imagine that sometime during the last century, the plants broke down after some cataclysm and Mars became barren. Besides, considering how many Americans believe that the Universe is ten thousand years old and that mankind and dinosaurs lived side by side, I don't think too many people will dwell on the subject of breathable air on Mars in 1912.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:53 a.m. CST

    docpazuzu, I agree

    by pw

    but no way around it when using Disney money to make it. If it holds true to the spirit of the novels (which it does) and is a great movie (which I hope it is), I'm willing to look past any changes that have been made. I may be more forgiving and bias though, as I am connected to the production. But this also means I have seen more than most and have a better understanding of what we are going to get.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You did say an interesting thing. Since the story is set in the aftermath of the Civil War, then the movie could get away with breathable atmosphere in Mars with "they had this palnts and while they worked, it was IK, and this was in the past". The implication being, those plants stoped working a few decades ago, in the early 20th century. Of course that contradicts geological evidence and all, but still, it's a rationalization. Are the Young Earth people still that prevalent in USA yet?

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I guess this one of those movies that one has to see to believe.

    by AsimovLives

    However, i can't help be a bit skeptical.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Why bother.Cameron already did it and he did it great.

    by KilliK

    Besides Neytiri already showed more flesh than the Princess is going to show in this kiddified,travestied adaptation of JC from Disney.

  • and they are probably right.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    =Nobody's a bigger fan of these books than me=

    by KilliK

    Yeah i have heard that before.From PJ about LOTR .And although LOTR is a fine adaptation of the books,he still did a lot of awful and unjustified changes in order to turn the books into a more accessible,mainstream product for the movie masses. I hate it a lot when all those creators are a bunch of hypocrites who never confess the real reason for fucking up with the source material: it's all about the money,not the "artistic vision". Fuck them all.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Didn't this come out and flop already?

    by Tom

    Feels like it did.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Killik you just defended this movie and don't even realize it

    by D.Vader

    And you defended Peter Jackson and LOTR too. You - "he still did a lot of awful and unjustified changes in order to turn the books into a more accessible,mainstream product for the movie masses." EXACTLY. Its not unjustified when the changes were made to make a more accessible product for the masses. That's sort of the point of making these into movies anyway: to attract more than just the fans.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Six more pictures...


  • Nov. 25, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    What galls me so much

    by Roger Moon

    is that properties as golden as JCM (and Doom, for that matter) are pretty much ready made for the silver screen yet studios insist on pretending that they're smarter than the material and the audiences, when in fact they're the philistines." Truer words were never spoken. What a shame it'd be if they ruin this, one of the greatest adventure stories ever devised... And with Hollywood's track record we have very little reason to think they'll do JCoM justice.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Fozzy looks pissed.

    by v3d

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    I agree with Pazuzu

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    100 percent nails my thoughts on this one.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Just yanking your chain, dude. However, I will always be a judgmental whatever it was you said. ;-) Say, vader, as an aside, were you the one that was unfairly banned, like, a little over a year ago and there was a big brouhaha over it? Like, someone said in an article about someone's death or something that talkbackers couldn't say anything douchey and you asked why not and they banned you on the spot just for asking? Was that you or were you just in the talkbacks where the guy was banned? I peaced out of this site for a year over that one. Just looked it up. Yeah, that was you. September of last year. I avoided AICN for over a year over that. Good to see you back, vader.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Re: Vader and his banning

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I was wrong on the particulars and might have implied the wrong thing. Vader was banned for asking why someone was banned, not for saying or doing anything even douchey in a talkback. Hope that was clear. Anyway, like I said, glad you're back, vader.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Shit. Not sure what to think about those. 1) Water on Mars?!?!?! Not sure I remember that other than the big river that runs between the poles and maybe that swamp in "A Fighting Man of Mars." But I could be wrong. 2) Woola looks far too fucking cute. And notice the difference in "temperature" or whatever between JC's shoulder and everything else. Not good. 3) Same applies on every other CG shot. Everything looks different than Carter or Dejah. Fuck. Not good. Not good at all.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    The real people in all those shots

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Look brighter, less faded, less dusty, than the FX shots around them. Everything on Barsoom looks slightly faded and light. JC and Dejah just look regular. This is not good FX work at all so far. Hoping this improves a lot.

  • And "Synthetic Men" is the best.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 9:52 p.m. CST

    add mars back to the title

    by brechtsky

    its especially dumb seeing as the logo or whatever has the friggin M.... plus john carter = generic ... john carter of mars = interesting.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    RE detail on creature, but not carter ...

    by brechtsky

    its probably not had the motion blur etc effects added to it (or they were removed for the photo so you could see it more clearly) ... the final product will undoubtedly look more seemless.

  • for the 300th time.and fapping on Neytiri,never bores me.thanks again for the reminder.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST

    @d.vader you didnt understand what i wrote.let me explain.

    by KilliK

    The directors of very expensive movie adaptations are forced to make various changes from the source material,in order not only to lessen the heavy budget of the project,but also to create a movie which will have a greater appeal in the mainstream movie masses. Greater movie appeal means that the possibility for more tickets to be sold is increased.And that desirable fact not only turns the investment less risky but it motivates from the beginning,the green-lighting of such ambitious projects. You just dont invest 200m on a movie project without taking precautions and making the best decisions so that this investment will become profitable.That's how business work and it is something that i understand and accept perfectly. BUT,there is a but.what annoys me is the lack of sincerity from the directors/writers when they start making these changes in the original work.Instead of telling the truth and admit that most of the changes have more to do with their goal to make a more accessible movie to the mainstream audience,they tell lies and bring up the cliche excuse of the artistic difficulties which rise when transferring a work of art from one medium to another, different one. But that is a bunch of bollocks and they know it very well.They know that what motivates most of the changes is the ulterior goal to make more money,not to make the best possible adaptation which works as a great movie and also respects the original source. And although they know that,they still lie on the faces of the fans,especially the real ones.And PJ happens to be one of the worst liars,especially from the moment that he is the self-proclaimed "biggest fan of Tolkien". To clarify: PJ is one my most fav directors way before he was made wider known thanks to his Heavenly Creatures masterpiece.I also like a lot the work he did with the LOTR Trilogy.We got a great adaptation and we must be grateful for that. But i simply cant stand him when he has the nerve to justify his changes by stating that "The Shire ending is not important for the LOTR storyline" or "Tom Bombadil's part in the story is silly" or omitting to explain (or did he?) why he turned Gimli,from a badass dwarf warrior in the books,into the movie trope of the clown-like,comic relief. Really now,why Gilmi needed to become a comic relief? Why was that difficult to retain his original character from the books? How exactly did this change help the original story to work better IN the movie? What ARTISTIC reason forced this important differentiation between the two incarnations of the same character? The above questions are rhetoric because we all know the true purpose: to instill humor in the movie's overlong story so that it can help it be digested with more ease from the average,popcorn eater,mainstream audience. But what makes it more infuriating is the fact that not only PJ himself but also fans who loved the movies have reached the point where they insinuate that Tolkien's original writings were flawed,filled with errors,plotholes and silly things thus the necessity for changes to make the original story to work "better".I am not kidding when i say that i have heard from fans claiming that PJ's LOTR is superior to the books. disrespect?sacrilege?hybris? i dont know.What i know is that from another smaller story by Tolkien,a fairy tale story written for kids,we are getting two movies which have cameos from actors who were in the previous movies but their characters dont exist in this story,again another shoehorned romance which doesnt exist in this story,action scenes which dont exist in the story and god knows what other "surprises" And all these changes and additions have nothing,nothing at all to do with "personal artistic vision" or the "freedom for personal interpretation and artistic expression" of the original only has to do with how to make as much money as possible.and those fuckers will never admit it.never. THAT'S MY FUCKING PROBLEM.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 8:42 a.m. CST


    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm doing a double take reading parts of this thread... some people seriously think Doom was meant for the silver screen.. scratch that... I mean had any plot AT ALL? ( The game I mean ) As someone who ate slept and breathed DOOM on my roommate's 486DX-33 in college, I have to pause for a second and wonder if you're high.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "=Nobody's a bigger fan of these books than me=" You know where i also have heard that before, or alike? When Bob Orci told everybody in interviews that he was a big ass trekkie when Abrams Tek was released. And look how it turned out. You know, i'm so jadded by this lies that whenever a filmmaker now claims he's a big ass fan of some property that he's turning into a movie, in me it creates the exact opposite effect, it makes me distrust them.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    McG was also a hige fan of Terminator. Look at how that tuned out.

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST

    hige = huge

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    the bicycle sharer

    by AsimovLives

    There is a lot of water on Mars. Mostly is in the form of ice found on the polar caps or in the permafrost that permates the whole planet. Some is in vapour. None is in liquid form, due to the low atmospheric pressure (at 100 time slower then earth's pressure, liquid water would imediatly boil and turn to vapour, even at those low temperatures). Mars once did had liquid water in the past, there's evidences of it. In the novel, and folowing a popular conception of the planet (given rise by a misconception caused by a mistranslation), many though the planet had this huge cannals stretching from the poles to the equator. The novel features that, though it still presents Mars as mostly arid. I don't remember if in the book if they ever adress the fact that temperature on Mars is lower then on Earth. Even back then were very certain that Mars was a colder place then Earth by quite a bit.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST

    The Bicycle you like Willie Nelson.

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Bike Sharer

    by D.Vader

    Okay, if you're just yanking my chain, that's cool. Don't wanna get the wrong impression, you judgmental whatever-it-is-I-called-you =D. As for my banning, yeah that was me. It was a Beaks obituary for Tarantino's editor. I was in another talkback conversing with RPLocke and The CHOPPAH, and both suddenly disappeared. I thought it was over something they said in the particular TB I was in, and it didn't make sense bc nothing they said was really offensive or wrong. Someone said it must be for what they said in the Obituary, so I jumped over there and immediately posted a question asking (the talkbackers) what it was they did to get banned. That's when I then saw in the talkback, not the story body, that Beaks said any off-topic posts would result in an immediate banning. Well, I had already made an off-topic post, so it was probably too late for me, and I thought that edict was a bit unfair as *every* talkback has off-topic posts; its what gives each TB a different, fun flavor. So I expressed my opposition to the rule in another post, apologized for being off-topic, and then gave my condolences for Sally Menke's passing. But it was too late, and I was banned. And that's that. I wondered why I hadn't seen you around in such a long time. I didn't realize it had been a year!

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Killik, I understand completely what you were trying to say

    by D.Vader

    I think you just didn't realize that what you wrote made sense for the filmmakers and the movies they were making and what they were trying to accomplish. As for LOTR, I doubt you'll ever find anything by PJ in which he's saying he's improved on the story. No, in fact everything he says he's changed has been for the better when it comes to the *movie* version and all that entails, which includes making it more palpable for the audience. He is correct in that the Scouring of the Shire is not needed for the film version, and neither is Tom Bombadil, not when there's so much else to deal with.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Asimov I thought you said you've never read Princess of Mars?

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    My point with Doom was that it's so simple that a visceral action film based on its premise is more or less encoded in its DNA. It's simple, stupid and awesome. The filmmakers, however, had to fuck it up by thinking about it too much and shoehorning exposition and "re-imaginings" into it. In no way or form was I implying that Doom had a storyline comparable to Burroughs' novels. The only "story" Doom had was: "There's demons and zombies on Mars. FUCK 'EM UP!" It takes a very special kind of arrogant stupidity to ruin that almost zen-like simplicity.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I didn't said that. I said i never finished the book.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Colder temp addressed? Not really. Not to my memory anyway. In fact, as many have noted, all the characters pretty much run around naked. I'm fairly certain (though not absolutely sure) that even traveling to the poles doesn't make much of an impression. Maybe the characters wrap some furs around themselves, but that's about it. I agree with Cookylamoo on Gods of Mars being good, but I'm not sure that I could really rank any one of the first three better than any other. The first three (Princess, Gods, Warlord) I just look at as a perfect little trilogy. Synthetic Men is also, as he says, very good, too.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    A further problem with that trailer

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Completely not down with that "savior" vibe that I'm picking up from it. JC was just an adventurer, not a savior. Oh, sure, he saved the planet from the demise of the air factories, but he wasn't some prophesied savior or anything. He is just the baddest ass mofo on the planet who just HAPPENED to save it. None of this, oh, you're the one we've been waiting for to save this planet. In fact, Dejah loathes him at first and most, if not all, of the green men want to kill him. I've got a horrible feeling that Stanton has confused this JC (John Carter) with another JC from this planet and has decided to throw in that "save a dying planet" shit. If so, pretty sure that I might actually throw up in the theater.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yeah, had to go back and do a Google search for your handle, mine, and "banned" until I found the appropriate material to remind me of what went down. You were gone by the colonelfatheart, myself, and others started going all Norma Rae over that shit on the talkbacks here. Anyway, whole bunch of us said that we'd leave AICN until you were brought back from what seemed an unfair banning at the time. Plus, AICN mods were super douchey about it, saying that if we didn't drop the complaining we'd get banned, too. Fairly open-minded and liberal of them, no? I guess "occupy" is only good when it's somebody else's property getting occupied. So, I asked around for some other comparable sites (Slashfilm and The Playlist were recommended) and said hasta to this place for about a year. I highly recommend Slashfilm. Good site and you get pretty much the exact same stuff as here. Just came back again about six weeks ago, but I hadn't seen you until this talkback. How long was it before they let you back on from banning you for asking a question?

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Holy shit.

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I agree with Doc Pazuzu twice. Well said on Doom, sir.

  • But THAT'S the exactly did he made the story better in the movie? notice the use of the word: 'better" .not "accessible",not "interesting",not "mainstream" or "appealing" or "palpable". better. It is that word that showcases the hypocrisy and even the arrogance of those directors who are hired to use their talents in order to adapt and turn into successful movie franchises,original masterpieces from other different mediums. I asked before and i will ask again: Gimli was turned from a badass warrior into a comic relief in the movie.How exactly did this change made the STORY in the movie BETTER?notice that i am talking about the story,not the movie itself.not the pacing,the plot,the direction,the cinematography,the acting,the editing.etc of the movie.But the story.and notice that i also use the word better not interesting or appealing. can you answer me this question mr vader? can PJ answer this question? if not,they you get my point.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Bike Sharer

    by D.Vader

    I was supposedly banned for 90 days. But AICN had its big "FUCK YOU" to-the-readers-meltdown around the same time. In case you hadn't heard, its what's responsible for the shitty talkback code we work with now, the kind where quotes don't do shit but fuck up your comments unless you know the secret process. Anyway, AICN went down, the talkbacks were compromised, Harry admitted (days later) that our email addresses and names were up for grabs for hackers. And they STILL have not fixed this shit. That just goes to show you how damn lazy the people who run this site are. Point is, when the site went down and everything went to shit, the Talkbacker Dead came back to life, and people who had been banned could suddenly use their old handles. "D.Vader" worked once more, whether or not the 90 day ban was over (I don't recall), but so did others like Gabriel Grey, who I swear had been banned years previously. And yet, he was still here, ready to pounce when the walls had been breached. Crazy times. Either way, I don't know if Harry knew my ban was up, if the timer had elapsed, or if I slipped through the cracks because of that timely Talkback meltdown. But, I've been back for about a year. I posted at Slashfilm pretty frequently, moreso than I posted here. Because THAT site is the place to go to for Cool News, not here. But alas, a few months ago they started requiring an email sign-up to post in their talkbacks, and I haven't yet brought myself to that kind of commitment.

  • When he or I say its "better" for the movie, that *is* shorthand for "more palpable" or "more accessible for the audience". I know you understand this, and many others do too, that's why it doesn't need to be pointed out. Look, you'll never find PJ *ever* using the phrase "its better" in regards to the movies in relation to the books, and if you do, I'll fucking eat this talkback. But truth is, as you understand it, and as I and many other movie geeks understand it, compromises have to be made, and that's why Gimli is comic relief. But you'll never hear PJ say that change made the story better. HE might say it makes the movies better bc it adds something movies need that the book lacks and conversely do not require, but you won't find it, I bet you. When it comes to movies such as these, you have to balance what's best for the story and what's best for the audience. Does making Gimli a bit more comical than he is in the books hurt the onscreen story? Does it? Then what's the problem? Again, if he or I or anyone else says its "better" for the onscreen story, that's ALL they are talking about. They don't have delusions that they have improved upon Tolkien. They know, as the rest of us do, that these changes make the story better, which MEANS more palpable, more cinematic, for the bigscreen *only*.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by The Bicycle Sharer

    I like butt fucking your mom, but who doesn't?

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Slashfilm - email sign-in

    by The Bicycle Sharer

    Yeah, same here on that one, D. Vader. Actually, my problem is more than I'm apparently some kind of idiot. I can't get Disqus (or whatever) to log me in so I can post. It's probably my browser or something (Firefox), but I just don't give enough of a shit to work it out.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    All I can say is...

    by catlettuce4

    the marketing is really bad on this so far. They are fucking up and earning bad will from the people who should be loving it. Reminds me of the Green Lantern trailer they put out first and so on. Maybe the movie will be good, but it's clearly going to be an adaptation that deviates a lot from the originals... perhaps too much. Even if the changes make for a better narrative or whatever, it will leave that bad aftertaste of being a fucked-up version of JCoM.