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It's Official! Benicio Del Toro Is In Discussions To Play A Role In Abrams's STAR TREK 2!
Beaks here...
Let the speculation... continue!
A week or so ago, we began hearing rumors that J.J. Abrams was interested in casting Benicio Del Toro as the villain in STAR TREK 2. Well, it's a rumor no more! MTV caught up with Abrams at the DVD release bash for SUPER 8, and, in his typically forthcoming fashion, he confirmed that they are... not negotiating, but discussing.
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Anyone but Uhura, eh? Yep. Sounds like the Gorn to me!
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Yell it
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Nov. 23, 2011, 11:30 a.m. CST
Wow, I've never been first. it's like when I lost my virginity...Whenever that will be.
by Sequitur
hehe
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I don't see this being any different. He's just too aloof (see The Wolfman for proof).
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KHAN KHAN KHAN KHAN KHAN KHAN KHAN KHAN
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This is a bit of come down for Benicio. He's better than this.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
Is it right to go for Kahn right after we had a semi-Khan in Nero?
by Kamaji
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It won't be Khan. They wouldn't do something so obvious and expected.
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'cos, like, the first film was so full of surprises and twists and turns... yawn
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Javier Bardeem needs to play Khan if they go that route. I hope they don't go such an obvious way. I was hoping Harry Mudd in some capactiy, not as the baddie, but as a supporting antagonist.
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Del Toro can play Decker, I dont care. Just get that planet eating thing up on the big screen. It will be badass.
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Star Trek has been reduced to the standard comic book movie formula. How fucking original. It´s going to be in 3D to right ?
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Wait, what?
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Nov. 23, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
It's official that he's possibly beginning to consider
by I am_NOTREAL
Playing a yet-to-be named role in a movie that has not yet begun production... ...in other words this is nothing to get excited about...more like Ain't It Maybe Cool News...not that that will stop any ranting or raving here.
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Let's just have them floating through space while having meetings in conference rooms and using technobabble to escape nondescript space clouds. THAT'S the kind of science fiction I want from the movies.
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Well he does
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How original and fresh!
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Nov. 23, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST
They are never going to make this movie, are they? They're just going to keep talking about making it...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
This movie has become the next Duke Nukem Forever. Cinema vaporware.
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The film could be a good space opera and science fiction, villain(s) included. Nevertheless, Del Toro's Khan would never reach the beautiful chewing of scenery delivered by Montalban, who is so cool, God himself has turned over the universe to him so he can take a vacation. Otherwise, we might see a bizaare Che/Dr. Gonza hybrid. But, you see, that would work as Kor, not Khan. Benicio could be our generation's John Colicos. T.'. (Shouldn't James Callis, then, play Kor?)
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It's Official!: Del Toro contemplating signing to play a role ... Then It's official! Del Toro is reaching for a pen to sign on in a role ... Pen almost to paper ... Almost there ... But wait ... Said pen is out of ink ... Bigger news ... AICN still circling, and much nearer the drain ...
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...and HOPEFULLY they will jettison the godawful designs for the Klingons that were in the deleted scenes from the first Star Trek where Nero was in the Klingon prison. Those costumes were low rent Syfy channel designs AT BEST...Klingons deserve A LOT, LOT BETTER. Maybe they ought to go back to the original series designs as inspiration like they did the Star Fleet costumes.
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Walls got him and Bryan Singer to do a Magnum Ice Cream commercial. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1f1mRRugHw&feature=player_embedded
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Nov. 23, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST
Still casting?!? I should be watching this on bluray already!!
by Mickster_Island
What, may I ask, the hell is taking so long? From 1987 to 2004, there was a new hour of Trek every stinking week (and six movies were crammed in that time frame too) Write a Star Trek story, film your beautiful young cast reading, overlay the sfx, add the lens flares. that's it - 4 easy steps. If you don't get it done by Christmas - I'm going to watch Deep Space Nine. PLEASE get this movie done!
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And you user name made me laugh.
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...but nobody responded. I can TOTALLY see him in Klingon makeup. Don't see him as Khan at all.
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FUCK the haters! And if you hate villains so much, go rent "The Motion Picture" and enjoy two hours of sheer boredom bitches!
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It's oo-HER-ah. Christ, he can't even say her name right. I wonder what franchise he'll destroy next after he's finished destroying Star Track.
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Khan, General Chang and Rick Berman. OK, so the last one was a joke, but so were the TNG films really. Only the Borg Queen came anywhere near to being a decent villain. Why every movie had to be squandered trying to create a villain as good as Khan I don't know. Star Trek should be about more than space battles and explosions. Don't get me wrong, TWOK is a fucking masterpiece, but it shouldn't be a template to be used forever more for Star Trek.
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Could be interesting, since he'd probably nail it AND it'd be a revisiting of 'Space Seed.' Since the crew of JJ Abrams' Enterprise are essentially horrible caricatures of the characters from the original series, they'd certainly approach the scenario differently than how they did in the original episode, while Khan would/should be the same character. If it's a new villain, as I think it will be, it would be great if the production team explores new territory. The genre of Trek villains who have no motivation whatsoever to attack the Federation but do so because the plot requires it (including Nero) is pretty much worn out.
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Us Trek fans havent seen much of this lizard monster from the pro wrestling planet. Since his 1st appearance fighting with Kirk in the original series, we've seen a shitty Xena level cgi Gorn in Enterprise. And that doesn't count in my nerd world because it was a dream sequence or something stupid like that. I personally would love to see some new hardcore Gorn in ST 2.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST
Javier Bardeem is KHAN!!!!!!! Having seen The Wolfman this is not a good idea
by the Green Gargantua
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So all the same people are gonna come out and talk about Khan, and Del Toro, and Puerto Ricans, and J.J. Abrams....all over again. <p> Close this article.
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No it wasn't. People who aren't fans of the series, for some reason, often jump to an incorrect assumption that 'old Trek = boring.' Trek's at its best when the stories metaphorically explore larger themes, current issues and intelligently tackle them. This can be accomplished WHILE providing action and explosions. Granted, Abram's trek was a silly, fast-paced, conveniently plotted (count how many plot developments hinge on sheer coincidence) action/adventure film (and set in space). However, other than borrowing character names and terminology, Abram's film was NOT Star Trek.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST
CONFIRMED: Abrams and Del Toro ran into each other at a TCBY and made small talk.
by spacehog
Abrams was wearing a little Star Trek pin on his lapel during it though. Awaiting final confirmation that Del Toro looked directly at the pin at some point.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
It does seem like there is a vibe of a lack of enthusiasm on everybody's part to make this sequel, does it?
by Jim Jam Bongs
I used to think that the interviews Abrams, Lindeloff, the actors and others have given over the years, which have revealed nothing about the story, was everybody intentionally being vague to avoid spoilers. But now I've come to conclude no one person has any solid idea what's going on, and, worse, they're really not into reuniting to make this movie.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST
hope they don't blow their load by introducing Khan (this soon)
by frenetik1
i'm cool with del toro playing any kind of villian, klingon or otherwise. but Khan is the holy grail of trek baddies; too sacred to go after just yet. i'd prefer to see a couple more flicks first -- let us get (re)familiar with the principle characters -- before there's any suggestion of bringing in big bad khan.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST
It's official that Del Toro is in discussion? Then it's not official at all!
by AsimovLives
Jesus, you guys are the english native speakers,and still you make such basic blunders in your language. And it's not jhust a blunder in language but in logic as well. How can this be? What explanation is there for this?
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Khan worked because of Montalban's performance and some killer lines of dialogue; not because the character had a cool motive or anything special about him. He's not Doctor Octopus or The Joker... recasting Khan is a waste of time.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
It's either geeks calling desperately to see shit they've already seen...
by Gabe Athouse
...or complaining bitterly about a lack of originality in a franchise that's been recycling the same ideas since before they were born. Why do you want to see Khan again? Didn't you fucking see that already? Why would you expect flights of originality? I thought the whole reason geeks like Star Trek so much is because it's a comfortable fantasy world in which they know what to expect? If they (Lindelof) can manage to take the old lame characters and crank what everyone knows about them up to eleven just long enough to make them entertaining, that's pretty much all you can ask. The new crew shouldn't be a cover band, nor should they be making Kubrickian sci-fi art films. Pleasantly entertaining without too greatly insulting the intelligence is the most I'm hoping for.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST
Fenster 'Give me the money you cocksucka.......' Police officer 'In english please.' Makes me laff every time!
by cameron
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If there's any episode to re-make, it would be "The Doomsday Macine." Anything else would be illogical.
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supported the first pile of shit NuTrek and gave credibility to the Trio of Hacks. And the villain in NuTrek 3? Borgs. because that's how original is this shitty reboot.
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TRIBBLES Del Toro will play the scientist who created them. He loses control of them and Kirk and his crew have to go retrieve them before ...THE KLINGONS ENCOUNTER THEM!!! Of course, they fail, which starts the entire Klingon/Federation war. Movie geeks will praise Abrams for how "smart" he made the introduction of the Klingons and we'll get another sequel.
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It won't be Gorn, because of "The Lizard" in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN.
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He just carves a 'Z' in their forehead.
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Seriously. Yes. The mayor from The Dark Knight. This guy could do a young-Ricardo-Montalban quite easily. I think Del Toro is a bit... fugly for a genetically-engineered superman.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST
=This movie has become the next Duke Nukem Forever. Cinema vaporware.=
by KilliK
and we all know how that game turned out to be.A PILE OF SHIT.
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And he will be played to perfection by Bieber... Heard it here first..
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I'm comin' for you with the wrath of Khan, and you're my James T. Kirk, you're my Admiral Kirk, I'm comin' for you, I'm comin' for you with the wrath of Khan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJaRoWwUtw
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There, I've said it!
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I don't think he's that great of an actor--and certainly not what I would consider charismatic. Does look the part tho.
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They have an entire universe to rewrite now if they want to--that's why the first film was so goddamn brilliant (as far as rebooting a franchise goes)
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Nov. 23, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST
It's so easy, just fuck with the timeline and canon some more
by JAGUART
And have a back story on Khan were he was genetically engineered from Montalban's and Javier Bardem's genes.
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Traffic? Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? The guy kicked ass in those.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST
Only Banderas should play Khan, Benicio for The Voice of The Horta. If Jar Jar and his Red Shirt gang bring back Khan its a disgrace.
by SmokieGeezer
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beer gut and all
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he'd make a good Vulcan High Priestess
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Has anyone ever noticed how many times Chris Pine hangs from ledges in Abrams' STAR TREK? It was practically a motif. Instead of STAR TREK, they could have called the movie SPACE CLIFFHANGER.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST
And I'm calling it: Berman and Braga's ENTERPRISE > Abrams' STAR TREK. Easily.
by Greggers
I'm only halfway done with the third season, and it's still my new favorite thing.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST
Look at JJ in that clip, and tell me you don't see a cocknose.
by scriptgirl_nipples
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Quite right- Star Trek TMP was actually very much a "Star Trek" story- and a favorite of many (tho' not of movie critics). Khan is also a great Star Trek adventure- but in the quest for generic thrills 'n chills, we are starting to lose sight of the original Star Trek vibe. Is this important? Well, only if you feel the "higher meanings" of traditional sci-fi are important. I believe so. We can get our swash-buckling from a myriad of other stories... Star Trek kind of has a post-modern mission to at least try to be true to its original purposes and messages (and heaven knows we need it more than ever). ps) I said "heaven" instead of God/Zeus/Odin/Crom to avoid any further offense than I've already caused... But I meant to say "Crom", since he is strong on his mountain. ;)
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Bring back the best Klingon, Kang, if you must bring something back. Here's an idea, JJ. Let's make an original villain with del Torro.
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Wasn't there something a while back about the writers looking at season 1 episodes from the original series for inspiration? I'd love to see a take on "Errand of Mercy"- the episode with the Organians. You've got Klingons on one side, Federation on the other, you could ramp up the stakes higher than the original episode and then come in with the Organians. I wonder if things would play out the same in the new Trek-verse? And Del Toro would make a hell of a Klingon. Just sayin'.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 5:03 p.m. CST
After the unrelenting stupidity and plot holes in 'Super 8', who cares?
by SmokingRobot
I have lost whatever confidence I had in J.J. Please, bring back Trek on tv.
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Since when has Abrams been anything but unimaginative and predictable? It'll be Khan, Abrams will completely butcher it, and you'll all pretend you like it because you don't want to be one of the "Trekkie nerds" who "nitpick" because they consider the TV show sacred. Rinse, repeat.
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to play an Indian genetically enhanced tyrant.Montalban,though also a latin,nailed it perfectly thanks to his superior acting.and intellect ofc.
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because they weren't actually evil, just rivals to the Federation. And Del Toro would probably do very decent mocap; finally, he's not pretty enough or buffed enough to plan Khan. In the Khan books, he's the epitome of Bollywood superman.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST
@killik,....I agree, He'll be a Klingon, I was telling my fellow Trekkies just the other day.
by jim
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Nov. 23, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST
Also, Khan was a massive revenge tale, and since we haven't done 'Space Seed' with this crew......
by jim
There is no point doing a huge revenge tale again (since that was ultimately the plot of the first movie in this reboot cycle) and it wouldn't be right to feature Khan since we haven't done the original tale yet (the aformnetioned 'Space Seed')
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Star Trek 2? It could (and likely will) be more of a rehash of Space Seed... revival of Khan and then he tries to take over the universe.
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play Khan. Watch him in this clip, for example, and think of him doing the Khan thing -- magnetic, arrogant, hyper-intelligent, charming, ambitious, intimidating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XA_KRDDNwY For a movie destined to be a pile of shite, it's not a terrible bit of casting. No one, however, can ever top Montalban's savvy, swaggering, brilliant take on the role in both Space Seed and TWOK. But it's all just another clusterfuck of Star Trek fans who never asked for a reimagining of TOS by a group of non-Star-Trek-fan hacks like Starscream, Ironhide and JarJar.
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http://www.deadline.com/2011/11/star-trek-3d-sequel-will-debut-may-17-2013/
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Nov. 23, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST
18 month wait for Shit Trek 2. You know, it wouldn't kill Paramount
by Brian Hopper
to put Star Trek back on TV in a new iteration to appease Star Trek fans, but continue to do Shit Trek movies ever four years for the Shit Trek fans (whoever they are).
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It is hugely amusing how fans complain about the coincidences, which primarily function to get the familiar crew together. But simultaneously, they are blind to the FACT that no crew would be together in the same configuration as long as the Trek crew was. Never. The number of logic-twisting maneuvers they went through over the years to give us, not a realistic adventure with Kirk, or Spock, or the crew of the Enterprise, but THAT particular crew, even though they had grown old and gray...and we winked at it because we wanted the fun of watching the familiar crew, not because it made any sense. In comparison, the coincidences in the new film were tiny, trivial things, perhaps even attributable to some undocumented effect of hacking the time line to begin with. Get over it.
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for example, Hrithik Roshan. That's Khan in the novels; he's every woman's dream, and they can't wait to do his bidding. He's arrogant and ruthless with other males--especially white guys like Kirk--but women find him irresistible.
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it doesnt make any sense what you said.
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Let this be your last Star Trek Reboot Movie
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Why? DO SOMETHING ELSE!
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C'mon.
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Nov. 23, 2011, 7:14 p.m. CST
Khan should be played by Shah Rukh Khan....Bollywood's biggest star
by Bobo_Vision
And...his name is actually Khan. You can see pictures of him....here. He's actually a decent actor: <p> http://actor.bollysite.com/albums/shahrukh-khan/shahrukh-khan-023.jpg And here <p> http://www.chakpak.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Shahrukh-Khan.jpg <p> And here: <p> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-IDBPayeKVw/S3YlV9mDZRI/AAAAAAAAA5U/3xSR-GPpqVw/s400/srk+angry.jpg
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Nov. 23, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST
Here's a scene with Shah Rukh Khan acting with the one and the only....Mola Ram
by Bobo_Vision
Anyone not familiar with this actor, turn in your film geek cards now. You are done. Go home: <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07HPqJQRROw
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ya it made money...but the movie had nothing to do with the trek universe everything that made trek a cut above the avg sci fi movie/tv was gone the soul of the franchise was gone so i could care less what plot line they will eff up in the next one although i hope they try to use city on the edge of forever, so that ellison will sue their asses off
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..Whenever they get to portraying him, that is. His name is Khan Noonien Singh, after all, as in from India. Everyone should stop thinking about him as Latin.
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Guillermo would make a fine Klingon. Benicio thinks he's Kirk, banging all the women in the studio elevator.
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Nov. 24, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST
Call me a homophobe if you want but I hope they recast Spock but that's mainly cause Zachary Quinto is a shitty actor.
by thecomedian
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"...He tasks me..mumblemumble...and I shall..mumblemumble...him!" oh, please......just end this now...
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If you're just finishing up season 3, you are in for a treat! Season 4 is considered the best of the series by most hardcore Trek fans. Manny Coto, a Trek fanatic, became the show runner in season 4 and most every episode has a connection to Trek episodes in the Original Series. You'll see precursors to Khan's genetic supermen, find out why Klingons didn't have bumpy foreheads in Kirk's time, and even take a trip to the evil Mirror Universe. Enterprise started out distancing itself from it's Trek roots, but season 4 was a welcome trip home.
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It's the Episode Not To Be Spoken Of. I liked it though. And it's a shame Enterprise got canned, it really found its feet in season 4. Manny was a breath of fresh air after 20 years of Berman and Braga.
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derp
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Name one single thing he's been memorable in for all the right reasons. Having been present in an otherwise good movie doesn't count. Even if he had been a great actor, he still can't play Khan. There's only one Khan in the universe and that's Ricardo Montalban. Del Toro isn't fit to lick the sand of Ceti Alpha V from Montalban's Corinthian leather boots. I watched Space Seed again recently and was reminded of what an awesome presence Montalban was on screen. He instantly owns every fucking scene he's in. If they're using Khan as a villain in this movie, it will be a terrible, terrible mistake. Oh, and for the record, I loved JJ Trek.
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Del Toro MUST be a Klingon!
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We're in a different timeline now and it would be silly to assume that everything else played out the exact same way in the new timeline as it did in the old one. Although...if they had a flashback with young Khan meeting Chekov, they could fix the single biggest mistake of The Wrath of Khan. But, no....he won't be Khan.
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Nov. 24, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST
hipshot, yout type of thinkin has a clinical name, it's called cognitive dissonance.
by AsimovLives
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Nov. 24, 2011, 6 a.m. CST
All this talk of Del Toro playing Khan is is just our assuption, but it has not been verified yet.
by AsimovLives
It's has not yet been revealed if that's what Del toro role will be in Abrams Trek Too: Abrams Harder. In fact, he has not yet accepted any role in the movie. Not officially, anyway. All this is just our speculation, nothing else. Though there is a good argument to be made that Abrams would recycle a wel know villain from the old show and movies. Because that's what Abrams do, he would rather play safe then be creative.
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Nov. 24, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST
This and any and every talkback by AICN about the next to be Abrams TRek movie, it's quite clear what's their function:
by AsimovLives
This is one of the Bad Robot crew (and Abrams) way to test the public reaction to possible ideas to be put in the next movie. It's another way to do audience testing, but before the script is even writen. Abrams is just using their own personal internet slaves, the AICN crew, to put out rumours about possible ideas for their to be writen script, and test how well accepted or not they are. According to the reactions, he will mould the script for maximum audience acceptance. It's writing by comitee and by pooling. Abrams is just looking for what to put in his movie depending on popular opinion. And that's what we are doing here, we are pooling for Abrams.
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But does the season 4 of Enterprise still have that shitty opening ong bulslhit the previous seasons have? Because i really can't get past that fuckign song! It is the main reason why i never bothered to watch the show, because of that fucking abortion of a retard bullshit who-the-fuck-though-this-was-a-good-idea fuckass song! I hate it as much as i hate Abrams Trek, and that's a lot, baby!
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"Name one single thing he's (Benicio Del Toro) been memorable in for all the right reasons" Traffic? Way Of The Gun? Che? The Usual Suspects? Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas? The Pledge? 21 Grams? If you ask me, he was damn fine in those movies, specially in Che and 21 Grams. "Oh, and for the record, I loved JJ Trek." We all have a cross to bear and a shame to endure.
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Nov. 24, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST
Two JJ Abrams related talkbacks in the same week. AICN is back to it's usual self.
by AsimovLives
It's usual self being the slaves of JJ Abrams.
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Like I said, being in an otherwise excellent movie doesn't count. All the films you mentioned were good to excellent, but Del Toro is still terrible in them. And I'm not ashamed in the slightest over my feelings about JJ Trek.
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would be a fucking fantastic Khan. Yeah, flame away--but think about it first.
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His best role was in Traffic. That wasn't an easy performance. Very subtle stuff going on there--watch it again. The guy can act his ass off if he has the right material and director. (like everyone else)
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Well, personally, i think Del Toro was exceelnt in 21 Grams and Che. Undoubtly, those movies i mentioned before are really good, so we agree on that. "And I'm not ashamed in the slightest over my feelings about JJ Trek." As i said, we all have our crosses and shames to bear. Perfect beings we are not.
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I agree. Del Toro was quite subtle in TRAFFIC. And playing subtle is the hardest acting job an actor has to do. But when well done, if pays off beautifully.
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Nov. 24, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST
docpazuzu, Del toro was terrible in Fear and Loathing and Usual Suspects!?
by pw
You can love trek. Hate Del toro. Whatever. But don't talk such moron shit, son, else everything you say from now on won't be taken seriously in the slightest. Those two performances are widely regarded as great, no matter what you think about del toro's other work.
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Or is coming up with new ideas/characters illegal in Hollywood thesedays?
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Again, good movies, but Del Toro played the same person in those films that he plays in every film he's in. He doesn't have a fraction of the presence or charisma or emotional weight needed for someone like Khan, something Montalban seemingly did without effort.
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Search your hearts. You know it to be true.
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Del Toro has done enough villian roles but there is a part that would fit him perfectly. He should be considered to play Spock's father! He has the right demeanor as Mr. Spock's father. PS: That is, of course, that his father is in the film. If not WRITE THE PART FOR HIM!
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...if you're blind.
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...if you're deaf.
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I'm a "shit" Star Trek fan....I can't stand the boring shows. If I want good talky sci-fi, I'll read a book
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You damned yourself with your last post. You expect to be taken seriously after that? Good luck, friend.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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I can't stand 'boring shows,' either, whatever that means. Obviously, you can't be referring to TOS (or even the other TV iterations of Star Trek). The best TOS (one example of many: Mirror, Mirror) is action-filled, even violent, fast-moving. Not 'talky,' just SMART. Unlike Abrams' Shit Trek, which in spite of its ADHD freneticism manages to be pretty boring on top of its egregious stupidity.
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I see nothing illogical in what I said. The idea of the same crew being together for decades, in the same configuration is absurd, and done not because it is logical but because the audience wanted to see the "old crew" in the same way. A giant, leaping illogic we all winked at because we wanted what we wanted, and would never have accepted a partial reunion. Total storytelling device, and totally wink-worthy. Coincidences in the new film functioned the same way. I've had this conversation with David Gerrold, who wrote for the show, and he knew exactly what I meant and we laughed about it. If you or that cowardly wannabe Asi don't get what I'm saying, the problem isn't on my end.
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Nov. 26, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST
@hipshot 'Coincidences in the new film functioned the same way'
by Brian Hopper
No, they didn't. You're comparing apples and oranges. Keeping the 'old crew' together on the same ship for many years is not a 'giant, leaping illogic.' It is merely a practical necessity of casting. Actors get older... thus, so do their characters. Coincidences in Abrams' Shit Trek did not function the same way. Those coincidences are not a product of aging actors... they are the product of unbelievably lazy and puke-worthy bad writing. Two entirely different things. But I guess 'writers' as bad as Orci and Kurtzman need apologists, so keep at it.
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Nov. 27, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST
A 'Mirror, Mirror' plot would be the ultimate irony....
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
An alternate universe of an alternate universe. In other words, a good movie instead of the one we'll get.
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Nov. 27, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST
And if you're going to steal the plot of a TOS episode...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
....I vote for 'The Doomsday Machine'. Although I don't know who could do Commodore Decker better than William Windom. Unless you get Stephen Collins, who played his son in the very first film, for an additional touch of irony. I'm feeling really ironic today.
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Nov. 27, 2011, 9:39 a.m. CST
And for those of you calling for an 'original' story...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...they tried that in the first movie. And look how that turned out. Unless you count them stealing the plot of all 3 Star Wars flicks. And as long as we're recasting classic characters that shouldn't be fucked with in the first place, how about Michael Fassbinder as Captain Koloth? I can't think of anyone who has the balls to play Kang. Michael Ansara pretty much nailed that. And he nailed Barbara Eden too. A 'Man's man.' But not in a Quinto kinda way.
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That "practical necessity" of casting meant that, supposedly, these people all continued serving together in the same configuration for thirty years. I submit that that simply doesn't happen in any real military service. This was purely about satisfying the audience, not obeying any internal logic whatsoever--a very pure marketing decision "the audience doesn't want to see any of these characters growing, changing, getting married, or moving on in any way." So they artifically held each of them in stasis, with a little hand-waving. And I enjoyed that, and forgave them, as much as anyone. but I was aware that I was doing it, just as I was aware of hte games they were playing in the new "Trek" and giggled as they did. There was absolutely no internal story reason for the first Trek films to do what they did. That was all to please the fans, and I'm glad they did, but its nuts to think it was anything else.
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The Doomsday Machine would be great fun. And original writer Norman Spinrad could use the money, I'm sure. (Actually, maybe not. I think he's doing pretty well in stocks or something)
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to the 'coincidences' in Abrams' Shit Trek, and those two thinks are not comparable. No one decided for marketing purposes that Shit Trek had to be poorly written. No one put a gun to Orci's and Kurtzman's head and said, 'Hey, throw in totally ridiculous coincidences for audience enjoyment.' It's just bad writing, and Shit Trek is filled with that stuff.
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I grasp that you think it was shit writing. I think every excuse they used to bring together the original crew was shit writing--that I excused because I wanted to see the crew together. Had we had no emotional connection to those actors in those roles, they NEVER would have pulled any of those strings. Sheer manipulation. So there you have it: you and I both excused the first, and I excused the second, but I see no difference in intrinsic violation of logic, and you do. That's fine. I look forward to the next one, and you don't. And that, I'm sorry for. I wish no one a bad moviegoing experience. Hope you find it a pleasant surprise.
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'the coincidences in the new film were tiny, trivial things, perhaps even attributable to some undocumented effect of hacking the time line to begin with.' They were not tiny. They were not trivial. They were not even NECESSARY. If Abrams' Shit Trek had a better script, these 'tiny, trivial' coincidences wouldn't even be in the movie.
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