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Harry's thought a lot about THE MUPPETS and this is kinda honestly where I'm at...

Hey there.   So, I saw THE MUPPETS.   A week ago know.   I was terribly sick when i saw it, 2nd day into a 6 day COLD that just sucked the will to live nearly completely out of me.   I put together an amazing screening.   No, we didn't have any of the Muppeteers there in person.  No stars or directors - but on this night...  we really did have a magical audience.  These were hardcore Muppet fans.  All of us.  We brought our puppets, toys & merch...   We had people working their puppets and talking with other members of the line, their children - all staying in character.   I brought my Muppet, which I made at FAO SCHWARTZ with the Muppets' WHAT-NOT program.  Handed him off to a friend with an urge to play.   I didn't want to play because I was sick.  But just watching the line, the beaming faces, the folks just...  really, kids in the candy store, but this was a movie theater and the candy was MUPPETS.

For the duration of the movie - I laughed, smiled and was generally delighted throughout the viewing experience.  After the film, everyone told me how much they loved the film - and it was literally written on all of their faces.   The love was palpable.  That's what is key.   People that love the felt, felt the love this night.

Then I started thinking about the review over the last week.  Having a week of lethargy, mucus and benzocaine-infused cough drops...  well, it isn't conducive to writing, but that didn't mean I wasn't thinking about it.   You see - I was amused by the film.  I like it, but in no uncertain terms...  I didn't love it.   In fact, I've got some rather large problems with it all.

1st - There's something wrong with Kermit.   I know what is wrong, I know there really is nothing that can be done, but there just is.   Frank Oz made some comments about how Kermit would never live in a mansion, never leave his friends behind.   And well...  That didn't bother me.   You see, I totally believe Kermit could.  Because for some insane reason he loves Miss Piggy.   Kermit could do better, she couldn't.   That's what is great about their relationship, but she makes Kermit feel small.   She pushes him around, makes him get her things...  like the mansion...  and when she left - Kermit could never leave, believing that she would come back.  Kermit is a hopeless romantic and the plot that is written would work for me...  if something just wasn't wrong with Kermit's performance...  the way his face moves...  his voice...  it just bugs me.  I try to let go of it, just go along with everyone, but it does bug me when I think about it.  And I have.

2nd - I hated nearly every revival song in the film.   All they served was to remind me of the far better films in which they were first featured.  Of course, that the MUPPETS have lost their magic is the very subject of the film - and doing this sort of sad recall is actually the plot of the film...  but it just felt off for me.   I wanted to see The Muppets truly dazzle me.   Had the film done everything before the Marathon in the first 10 minutes via a heavily edited PRE-CREDIT scene...  Then had the film just be a feature length MUPPET Marathon Special - with tons of great material - actually get great guests to take part - and just have it be the most awesome feel good movie ever, I'd been happier.   

3rd - Jason Segel, Amy Adams and Walter.   I love them.  The notion of a man and his puppet that grew up watching THE MUPPET SHOW and always dreamt of being a Muppet - along with the story of that kind of man falling in love and the kinda girl that would love a Muppety man.   Again.   I love this stuff.   The problem is - had the WHOLE story been about them...  with the MUPPETS essentially guest starring - It would work better for me, because all the screen time taken to give each of the major Muppet characters an actual STARRING sequence of the film, just put Jason, Amy and Walter's story on the back burner.   I mean, there's a point where Walter needs Jason to help him with coming up with his ACT - the idea of a Muppet being nothing without their Person is a genius one and one that could've been explored in an incredibly touching way.   Oh yeah, Mel Gibson did that with THE BEAVER.  My problem is - they just didn't have the screen time to really be allowed to be the more fully realized characters that I was hoping to see and enjoy.   

Basically - the film felt unbalanced to me.  Wanting to be two different things - a nostaligic reintroduction to THE MUPPETS and a Really bold metaphorical tale about the dreams and lives that the MUPPETS and the people behind them have given us.   Each of these things are outstanding, but neither is fully realized.

Also - and I can not state the importance of this enough...  Having seen Martin Scorsese's HUGO earlier in the day - the smallness of THE MUPPETS, the lack of scope or experimentation with the Muppets in the greater world - being one with nature and the magic that gives us.   That wasn't there for me.  Scorsese captures pure magic in that film - and THE MUPPETS were not as dazzling as I had hoped.

Now, I'm probably one of the very few people that will have this opinion or experience with THE MUPPETS.  It just wasn't magic for me this time.  I mean, the best thing I can say is it may be the 4th or 5th best Muppet movie.  It's fun, I enjoyed it - but it had problems that kept me from just giving myself completely over to it.  

All involved could do better work I feel.  I just I hope some day I'll see Kermit and not think something is wrong, without watching something old.   Not there's a damn thing wrong with that.  I do own ALL OF IT! The last thought that I have on THE MUPPETS is this.   I get why this film wasn't called THE GREATEST MUPPET MOVIE EVER MADE.

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  • Nov. 22, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by GulDucati

    C'mon sourpuss.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I hope this is awesome

    by mrbrotatohead

    I really, really, really, really want to love this! Thanks for the honest review, Harry. Some reviews seem to talk more about their love of muppet history than this iteration.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Is that why the animation was changed?

    by vic twenty

    Imagine what Scorsese's Muppets would be....

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Something wrong with Kermit...

    by Horgy

    Are you sure it's not just the voice? Get checked out when you have a "chest cold," folks.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    MNuh Mnuh

    by MCVamp

    It's just hard to maintain the magic without the original performers. By now almost the entire cast consists of successors. As comforting as it is to see that fuzzy green frog and the bear in hat and tie, hearing other voices--however capable--coming out of them is like watching, well...a remake. I'm sure I'll like this, but I understand the slight hollow feeling, Harcourt. It accompanied the SW prequels, it accompanied the Star Trek reboot, and it's that itch in the back of your head every time you watch a remake that no matter how well it's made you can't shake the feeling you've seen it before and it was better the first time. This is the world of entertainment we find ourselves slipping towards, inevitably.

  • Good honest (I think) review, but I can't take it too seriously given that point.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Cant be as bad as Muppets from Space

    by sunwukong86

    That didnt even feel like a Muppet movie

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    without Jim Henson, it just DOESN'T work and never will.

    by gk1

    Why would you make the movie about the humans and put the muppets as backstory? that's STUPID Harry. I had a feeling you'd not like the movie for primarily the first reason you listed, but damn dude...

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    by glenn_the_frog

    Not enough Jar Jar for you Harry? Do you not like the end because you can't imagine giving away your own toys to a child like Toy Story? Did you just fall asleep for the middle portion of the film like Inception? Can you just not bring yourself to be as thrilled with a raving glowing review as you were for G.I. Joe? Will you and Armond White be the only people that dislike this movie? (Currently 55 reviews on RT and 100% fresh)

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    So I guess Scorsese should have directed the Muppets...

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    "Hey Fozzie, go get your fuckin' shinebox! Oh ho ho ho ho ho!" Seriously though, I can't take Kermit er... seriously anymore. His heart and soul not to mention voice died 21 years ago. Kermit's not just some corporate lacky that anyone can do. He WAS Jim Henson, end of story. When one went so did the other. Best to just enjoy the Muppet Show and original movies on DVD and accept it.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    This feels willfully obtuse, Inception-style...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I've heard great things from others who are less, uh... malleable.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:17 p.m. CST

    This review makes me sad

    by Candice

    I thought this movie rekindled part of the magic of my childhood. It made me want to go home and watch previous Muppet movies. It made me remember why I loved the Muppets. Who would put the Muppets in the corner in a Muppet movie? No one puts the Muppets in the corner! I thought it was a wonderful film experience. I'm seeing Hugo tonight, but for a movie with no CGI, no 3D, and basically no special effects to speak of, just honesty, humor, warmth, and nostalgia, I think it did a great job, especially in our current film atmosphere that seems to only reward flashier, bigger, and newer technology. Sometimes, old school works. I loved the movie.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Also loved...

    by Candice

    That the most current Muppet movie is almost a direct response to the first Muppet movie. It bookends the entire series by making direct reference to the standard rich and famous contract and a lot of the same themes in the original movie. I didn't even realize that until I came home and watched the Muppet movie again. I still think people should see the movie.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:30 p.m. CST

    It's 100% on Rotten Tomatoes..

    by ShogunMaster

    And this is the guy that thought Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull was GREAT! Take this review with 10lbs of salt...

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Rottentomatoes is at 100% after 58 reviews of THE MUPPETS, Harry

    by Lazerman21

    Seriously dude, I blame your cold. . . No way could you be this LOW in the minority on this film . . Watch it again, when you are NOT sick and re-write this . ..

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit I couldn't agree more

    by Muldoon

    I thought I was taking crazy pills, since everyone else loved the shit out of it. This movie is very much the emperor with his new clothes...

  • Why did they have to go with such a generic name that will be confusing in the future when discussing the muppets? I mean, the muppets in general, not just The Muppets, the movie from 2011. See? It’s like when a band has a self-titled album halfway through their career. Unless it’s The White Album, it’s a bad idea.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    The Cox-pets?

    by Brian

    Yes, you've been......... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ........coxxed!!!!!!

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    The mystery factor at work again

    by HansBubi

    I think anyone that has read AICN for a while can just as easily imagine the alternate version of this review, in which Harry writes about The Muppets' being joyous, old-fashioned entertainment, compared to Hugo being a big-budget 3D movie. To a certain degree I can't criticize his inability to fully enjoy two movies in the same day. Anyone that has ever bought two video games or two CDs on the same day knows that it's difficult to give both items your full attention and appreciation. I naturally lean more toward one of the two. And so it is with Harry and The Muppets and Hugo. Plus, if he's been sick, that makes it even harder to fully enjoy seeing multiple movies. I'd rather be lying down watching movies at home if I were him.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Can't help but wonder if being ill affected your impressions

    by Crobran

    I have to say that I enjoy these more toned down reviews that explore the actual thematic elements and in which you talk in a more level-headed way. When a commercial starts yelling at me, jumping up and down, and shaking me by the collar in order to convince me that a product us good, I instantly become distrustful of the product. If the product is that good, then just tell me about it and it'll sell itself. Your more animated, gushing, raving reviews come across that way to me - but of course, that could be just me. When I saw The Two Towers the first time, I was dead tired, and in spite of the fact that I'm a raving fan of LOTR, I nearly fell asleep, and just wasn't all that interested in the film (until Evil Farimir showed up - then I became really interested.) I saw it again later on a day when I had more energy and had a completely different impression of it (except for Moustache Twirling Farimir - my impression of him stayed the same). I hope you'll see the Muppets again when you're not sick, and then let us know if you feel differently about it. I still want to see this film, but I expect that I'll find myself agreeing with your initial impressions. Someone needs to give Disney a good dose of Adderall. Maybe they'd slow down and think a little more.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I blame your illness and high expectations.

    by frankenberry

    I bet you have nicer things to say when you write about the film in your DVD column. Well, if you write about the film in your DVD column. Okay, if you write a DVD column.

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    GulDucati

    by D.Vader

    Hahah, that's a great name.

  • Every. Single. Review. Look through the archives if you don't believe me, every review he writes he talks about how sick he's been. Harry -- go see a doctor, dude. We're worried about you. You're always sick with something, move to a temperate climate like California or somewhere. Get better!

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Muppet fatigue

    by la_sith

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Did you like the NEW songs Harry?

    by darthpigman

    What did you think of all the new songs Harry? How do they hold up against the classic Muppet songs?

  • Nov. 22, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Jack not name, jack JOB.

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Kermits voice throws me off - haven't seen the film

    by FrodoFraggins

    I'm going based on publicity. You'd think it would easier to find someone that could nail the voice.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Your friend's liked The Muppets more...

    by LordEnigma

    and now you are doing the geek thing of putting one film against the either. That's fine and all, but incredibly dated. Everyone involved in the Muppets went lo-fi for a reason. You bashing them for making a Muppets movie the way they make Muppet movies, is just weird.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Regarding Hugo...

    by little_lebowski

    I know there's a rule that you can never ever talk bad about Scorsese because the collective hive mind of the film geeks everywhere will psychically crush your mind with their unified thoughts. But... I just get the feeling that if the exact same film, with the exact same performances, had any other director's name attatched... critics would HATE it. Lambast it as another Lemony Snicket/Harry Potter kid-lit film that's predictable, derivative, and really not worth your time. But because it's Scorcese, everyone fucking creams themselves over his mighty filmmaking skills. Maybe it's just me.

  • Time passes, things change and life goes on. That's one of the big points of the film. So to be upset because kermit's face moved differently than it did 25 years ago is Harry's problem, not the movie's. I've been a muppet fan all my life and kermit seemed just fine to me. He did seem less energetic but this version of kermit had a world-weary vibe to him. The film did feel unbalanced and it did feel like two movies were smashed together. But 10 minutes less of the Jason Segal story would have really helped. The audience was packed when I saw the film and everyone seemed antsy during the first 20 minutes as we all waited for the muppets to show up. No one walked out of there saying "wow, I wish the muppets had all been supporting characters so we could have seen more about Jason Segel and Amy adams' relationship. I do agree about kermit being a romantic though. It's sad but it did seem right that he'd wind up living alone in a dark, empty mansion filled with paintings of all his old friends.

  • You should have taken pictures, man!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    It's a Mixed Bag

    by WriteFromLeft

    I saw the AICN preview in LA. I thought the script worked on a dramatic level, but strangely, the comedy wasn't as funny as it should have been. This is one of those films that misses the mark, and yet, I can't quite put my finger on why. It would have benefited from having a much larger budget, with someone like Alan Rickman playing the villain instead of Chris Cooper, and with bigger, more dazzling musical numbers. Developing the new Muppet's character first, and then shifting focus to Kermit and Miss Piggy, is also a dicey (though interesting) choice; it's a very difficult thing to pull off, as the audience begins to see the story through the new Muppet's eyes when it really wants to see them through Kermit's from the beginning. When all is said and done, it's an interesting try, and I'm sure it looked good on paper. I would still recommend it, though, as its heart is in the right place and it's perfect for kids.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Something Wrong with Kermit...

    by Erik Radvon

    ...perhaps the fact that JIM HENSON IS FUCKING DEAD had something to do with Kermit acting different than in the old movie. Jesus, that must be some strong cold medicine. Truth be told, all the Muppet movies were amazingly uneven, a hodgepodge of vignettes, some brilliant and some rubbish. I don't think anybody is expecting Citizen Kane out of The Muppets-- If it successfully delivers the Muppets we know and love and places them in a contemporary setting, that has to be considered a win. Lastly, the guest stars in the Muppet movies were always frivolousness grabs for attention-- That's pretty much the definition of what a celebrity guest appearance is and has always been in show business.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:39 a.m. CST

    What's wrong with Kermit...

    by GoDFaDDa42

    It's not the voice, really. It's the performance in the face. Henson did a lot of subtle expressions, only rarely going for a "full crumple" in the head. Whitmire has kermits head changing shapes radically all the time, so he looks more like a puppet. Jim breathed life into him through sheer talent, which Whitmire doesn't have. I hope someone else gets a shot at Kermit someday, a new Henson.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:46 a.m. CST

    HARRY'S LIVE JOURNAL

    by UMAGA

    Fuck

  • Skimmed through Harry's rant, as to not be swayed by his babbling. Really, though, who pissed in the big boy's Cheerios today? Seriously. So far, 60/60 reviews on RT for Muppets have been positive. And you can't compare Hugo and Muppets. Let them exist as their own entities instead of shitting on one because you like the other more. Methinks that Harry built up this grand epic Muppet adventure in his mind well before he even sat his doughy ass in the theater. Inflated expectations (and Uwe Boll) are a fanboy's biggest enemy.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST

    just bad..

    by paul burnett

    But just watching the line, the beaming faces, the folks just... really, kids in the candy store, but this was a movie theater and the candy was MUPPETS. That is without doubt the worst piece of writing i have ever had the misfortune of laying my eyes on. it was like looking at turds in a toilet bowl, but the bowl is aicn and the turds were HARRY'S PROSE.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST

    somebody didnt get paid this time

    by smokie

    It's a Muppet movie. We were kids when they first came out. that's why they were "magic". Grow up. You take KIDS to see kids movies so THEY enjoy them. Harry's reviews are as relevant as a Newt Gingrich seminar on marriage

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:30 a.m. CST

    I heard Kermy got the AIDS...

    by smokie

    from one of Gonzo's chickens. Piggy's gonna be pissed goes to show you: If your gonna tap it up.. wrap it up

  • I've seen the Hugo trailer 3 times and I still don't know what the fuck it's about. Each time, I'm kinda left scratching my head (or my ass depending on the moment) and saying, "Well, it looks like Scorsese made a movie about Hit-Girl meets Borat and there's a lot of gadgety looking things. Uhmmm.... What's this thing about again?" Not saying that it isn't going to be good or that I won't love it, but the trailer itself makes it look like a confused mess. Not sure why I should even care. And, no, Scorsese's name attached isn't enough. I see the Muppets trailer and I know EXACTLY what I'm getting. Muppets. That's it. That's all I want out of it. I'm not expecting Schindler's list or anything. I just want a bit of wholesome Muppet madness. That's it. Even if it's all over the place, the goal of the movie is really to reintroduce a new generation to these characters. Again, it doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to have Muppets. And you're right, smokie. I get the feeling that this is a flick my near 4 year old nephew will love. I also get the feeling that it'll reawaken the 4 year old inside of me too. Good enough for me. Not expecting an Othello revival or anything. Muppets. The name alone tells you what you're in for. Sadly, I fear that Harry has romanticized those Henson years too much and is now looking at it [this movie] through the rose tinted beer googles of doom. That or Harry is doing his bet impression of South Park S15 Stan Marsh.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    This is good news

    by funkylovemonkey

    I'm always encouraged when Harry doesn't like something, especially when it's against the general consensus. It usually means that I'm going to love it. Harry's like my living opposite. On the other hand, the fact that he loves Hugo has me terribly discouraged about that film.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:38 a.m. CST

    I was all ready to

    by John Baker

    jump on "People that love the felt, felt the love this night" and accuse Knowles of more gibberish pill popping sentence cobbling... Until I thought second and decided maybe it was the alcohol I am ingesting that made it non-sensical at first glance. It was indeed the alcohol. Well played fat man... Well played. I dislike many things about you ginger... But no-one deserves constant medical problems. Get well soon you liberal piece of shit. And I really mean it. :)

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Its now time for "Really" with Kermit the frog"

    by David Werring

    OH COME ON!!!!...REALLY HARRY??!!..REALLY?! Normally I would stay silent and see what/who harry is sucking up to this week in his reviews..apparently this week is "Hugo".. "The Muppets" is fantastic...all the hype that has led up to this movie..is all worth it... So to Harry is (ITS NOW TIME FOR "REALLY:WITH KERMIT THE FROG") (Watch SNL from this past weekend to see what im talking about..Kermit even does a body impersonation of harry with his flippers... BUT "REALLY HARRY...YOU DIDNT LIKE THE MUPPETS AND THIS IS THE MOVIE YOU WANNA NICK PICK ON.."THE MUPPETS"..REALLY!!!! REALLY!!REALLY... AWWWWW SHEEESH!!!....REALLY?!!!!!!!! folks take your kids to see kermit and pals..and adults revisit the Muppets again like we did growing up...this is a great muppet film.. I just got done watching it at a midnight show.. this movie has it all...just have fun... AND HARRY??!!!!! "REALLY...REALLY??...REALLY!!!" PEACE EVERYONE...HAPPY TURKEY DAY

  • mostly, because any conversation about what the muppets were to people of my age makes me remember what the muppets meant to me and now i have to go see this movie

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Sooty and Sweep...

    by workshed

    In the UK we used to have a TV puppet show called 'Sooty', which was devised in the 50s by Harry Corbett. He retired in 1976 and his son, Matthew, took over the reins till his own retirement in 1998. Now, as much I liked Matthew, he was never his dad, and the subtlety with which Corbett Sr operated was always missing. It was 'different'. Too different for me, yet it still continues to this day. It's the same with the voice of Kermit. Sure, it's no Jim Henson, but I suppose the Muppets are, in many ways, like Manchester Utd - no one man is bigger than the team. It wouldn't surprise me if they're still making Muppet merchandise in fifty years. Just like Sooty.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Sorry Harry, You're Wrong.

    by tensticks

    Period.

  • I'm old enough to have seen the original Muppet Movie in theaters and remember the original airing of the Muppet Show on TV. I consider myself both a lifetime fan and someone who is mature, intelligent and discerning enough to detect bullshit. When I heard that Oz and other original Muppet creators/performers were critical of the script, tone, direction, and handling of the characters in this project, I had my reservations about it. Still, I was hopeful that they were wrong and that Segall & co. would get it right. I saw a sneak preview of this film last night and I can say this to Oz and company (for whom I have utmost respect...how could I NOT?): Get over it. I truly cannot see where they are coming from. This movie is the most truly "Muppetty" Muppet production in literally decades. It is FAR more of a piece with the Henson-era Muppet projects than all of the so-so literary adaptations (Treasure Island, Christmas Carol, Wizard of Oz) and other attempts to keep the Muppets alive in the last 20-odd years. The spirit of the Muppets and more importantly, the spirit of Henson inform and infuse this movie. "A Love Letter to the Muppets" is NOT an exaggeration. That's exactly what it is, and it's brilliant, and moving--yes, I cried during this movie and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Judging by the reactions of the kids in the sneak preview audience, I absolutely predict that this film WILL succeed in bringing the Muppets to the current generation, no sweat--and that it will also confound all box office predictions and unseat Twilight at number one. Bottom line: whether you grew up with the Muppets or not, go see this movie. You will love it. And that goes for Frank Oz & company too. I'll also add that it's a perfect kids movie you can take a date to, and a perfect date movie you can take kids to.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    They've done just what they set out to do

    by tensticks

    your fever and medication have dulled your wits. you're reading way too much into it, and expecting way too much from it. this movie is exactly what it was supposed to be, and what it was meant to be. get the meds out of your system and watch it again. I have already seen it twice (once at a sneak preview) and I'm going to see it in the theater at least 2 or 3 more times if I can. Yes, I enjoyed it that much. You've rhapsodized in the past over stuff that was way worse than this, and this isn't bad in any way. seriously man, I just don't get it. give it another shot.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:10 a.m. CST

    So its shit then...

    by paint163

    Thought it would be.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST

    This has got me excited...

    by Ryan

    Harry disliking the flick means I'll probably love it.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST

    A 6 day cold?

    by Roger Moon

    Harry, like millions of others, is on S.A.D., the Standard American Diet of meat, dairy and untold amounts of chemicals from processed foods. It's a death diet. We know you're exercising (rehab), but it's long past time for you to improve your diet. You're not getting any younger and if you're getting 6 day colds you're clearly not taking care of yourself. Time for some green drink. Just ask Robert Downey Jr. The stuff works miracles. Time for salads with dark leafy greens. Alkalinity man! Feed those cells! And get some sleep, too. Crucial. Keep fucking around H and you'll drop dead by the time you're 55.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:19 a.m. CST

    i love everyone sees harry's reviews for what they are.

    by zom-bot.com

    90% talk about him or his health, childhood, tenuous connections to people in the biz, or other things that end up effecting the outcome of his opinion on the movie being seen. his reviews are not even about the movie as a whole unit of art, craft or purpose- they are about if they have a personal tie to the big ginger man-baby.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:32 a.m. CST

    read these lines and tell me they don't sound like a pouty brat:

    by zom-bot.com

    Hey there. So, I saw THE MUPPETS. A week ago know. I was terribly sick when i saw it. No, we didn't have any of the Muppeteers there in person. I brought my Muppet, which I made at FAO SCHWARTZ. I didn't want to play because I was sick. WAH WAH WAH

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:57 a.m. CST

    6 Day cold?

    by ZodNotGod

    I've never had a sick day "cold" unless I was sick with the flu, but I don't honestly think I've ever had the flu. Chicken Pox when I was a kid...If I get sick at all, its for a day or two at the most, I get some antibiotic and boom, feel like new. My sick usually comes the weather changes, from cold to warm and back always trigger a cold or fever-like syptoms but no more than 2 days worth...6 days is scary bad... Harry, no adult should be sick that long. You need to get a real doctor and get some immune system therapy or something. Changing your diet would be the first order. Get off the crap fast food and processed junk. Exercise, my friend! I know you have walking issues, but any type of movement is better than none. You can workout in your wheelchair so just do something. Muscles kill fat! LOSE the weight, that kills an immune system fast. Herbalife is a good way to lose it. Lost of delicious shakes to make the no-food easier to deal with.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Why do you even bother Harry?

    by NightArrows

    I know films are subjective. I know everyone differs. But honestly, the fucking SHIT that you sing the praises of is fucking mind boggling. And yet, when certain films come around you are "meh" on them and it's just as fucking mind boggling. I rarely read your reviews anymore because quite frankly, you just aren't worth it.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by Kal-El Hartley

    You are a fat, lazy, sell-out. That is all.

  • he's like a kid who has seen everything and is burnt out. impressed by little anymore. he's jaded. oversaturated. and his only criteria is how something relates to him- or if it surprises him or lives up to his own fantasies. when he goes into a movie expecting it to be shit,or uninterested tobegin with, and it turns out that it isn't as bad as he thought it would be, it's GREAT because it surprised him. when he goes into something overexcited, overhyped by himself, something he really really wants to enjoy (or something that promises to maybe reconnect him with his childhood)- well, the film can never match whatever candy parade he has built up into his head. he comes out disappointed and cranky. mopey about it. whiny. such is the case with this flick.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    "No, we didn't have any of the Muppeteers there in person"

    by zom-bot.com

    i wonder if his review would have been different if any of the cast/crew had shown up for his opening? sounds hurt to me.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Well, I talked to Kermit and he said.....

    by MacReady452

    ..something is wrong with YOU. Kermit hasn't sounded right for years. Get over it.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    "These were hardcore Muppet fans."

    by buggerbugger

    Truly, people not to be fucked with.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST

    You know what, if you're sick...

    by Uga

    ... the last place you should be going is a movie theater. No telling how many people are sick now because you just had to see The Muppets for free.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    I moved on from the Muppets when I was 7

    by Samuel Fulmer

    And that was the Muppet Babies cartoon. Unless you're a puppet fetishist or a small child I don't get why a Muppet movie matters.

  • we all grew up in a great period in the 70's and 80's where toy companies and animators and film makers totally spoiled us with fresh, bizarre characters, concepts and products. before then, kids played outside, had to use their own imaginations and entertain themselves in simpler ways. when we grew up- we were constantly being entertained by these cool but pre-fab shows and toys. most of the thinking was done for us. that's a wicked drug, and easy to get addicted to. there was some amazing shit. some of us still try to live in that world, others use it as a springboard to make sure the world we make now seems as cool. now we are adults. many of us are still looking for that fix, trying to get back to that original high that we had as a kid. but it will never be the same. it's unattainable. keep your fond memories but don't keep holding the present up to the past for comparison. whether it's he-man, or muppets or g.i. joe, the fact is, we are 30 something now. we should be creating our own worlds, not trying to crawl back into the old ones. so of course this muppet movie isn't going to give harry that sugar high he craves. it sounds like it's a pleasant visit from old friends....and that's good enough for me.

  • ...to a friend so he could jam it into the faces of children and spread disease about. This sounds like domestic terrorism. And in Texas no less.

  • I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd stay home until I got better. The movies can wait.

  • Seriously, I've lately been getting this timeless-but-not-ageless vibe from the changes. Like real actors who went off the grid in their 40s and returning in their late 50s.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    I hope these same passionate debates go on

    by Samuel Fulmer

    When we get a Capitol Critters film in a few years.

  • Movies kind of suck now-- some of us have accepted it, some of us are still able to get excited-- but for the most part we all walk out of the theaters a bit deflated these days. But what makes Harry's reviews unconvincing (asside from the absence of specific insightful criticism) is his weird way of gushing over equally mediocre movies. When he loves something he just loves it, when he doesn't he just doesn't-- it's just capricious subjectivity. I have no investment in MUPPETS either way, I'm just annoyed by him. He's an unprintable blogger, not a critic.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:07 a.m. CST

    he's not a critic- exactly right

    by zom-bot.com

    there are writers here that are, most of the time, pretty good critics. they can dislike something and break down what to tell you why they felt that way. harry just says how something made him feel- and in his own words, most of the time doesn't know why it made him feel that way. usually that confusion leads to a bad, mopey review. i feel in this case, the reality that things have changed and he's actually not a kid secretly crept in and he's reluctant to admit it. but i doubt in all the pantheon of actual, professional movie critiques did a review start off with 'so yeah i saw this movie a week ago. i was sick'...

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST

    "He's an unprintable blogger, not a critic."

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That's kind of obvious if you've read any of his stuff. It's much more along the lines of what you would've read in a fan zine many years ago than actual film criticism. That's him so I just go with it, but if you're looking for Andrew Sarris or Truffaut, or even somebody who writes movie reviews for you local free hipster paper, you're reading the wrong person.

  • and he actually directed movies, or created new worlds of adventure and interesting characters with pen and paper or digital media. that's what i'm talking about- why are so many of us aging gen X-ers wallowing in the past when we should be making awesome new things BECAUSE of the wonderment of our childhood? instead, harry has made a place where people can come and talk and bitch about the past and crushed expectations and hope for other people to do the dreaming for us and actually make a decent movie every now and then. harry- and a lot of us- are just vultures. we pick on the corpses of the things other people have made and then complain about it. how many of us actually create anything? i try now and then. i consider myself an artist but i fall down the hole of nostalgia too. anagrams are pretty prophetic. two anagrams for nostalgia are 'lost again' and nostalgia "is not a goal"

  • Interesting because I don't know how many times I've read a Harry review where he seems to love a movie soley because it has a "homage" to some shitty B-movie that Tarantino showed him.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    oops- 'is not a goal' is wrong- too many o's

    by zom-bot.com

    fusksticks.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    James Bond died with Sean Connery

    by bah

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    should be nostalgia = 'isn't a goal'

    by zom-bot.com

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    have to agree with Harry...

    by Jared

    The film has some nice moments for sure but overall things just felt a bit off. The humor isn't particularly funny or witty and the story has a number of elements that either go nowhere or have abrupt, unsatisfying conclusions (Segal-Adams relationship, Kermit and Piggy, etc.) Maybe my expectations were just too high given the 100% RT score.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Seeing this tomorrow

    by purplemonkeydw

    At the drafthouse for a Thanksgiving feast! Surprised by this review after several glowing for pretty mediocre fare this year. Interesting that you call out Hugo in this review, and there's a huge ad on the landing page...maybe I'm reading too much into this.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    if your childhood was the best time of your life...

    by ZodNotGod

    YOU are a boring SOB. I am victim to nostaliga like everyone sometimes, but i am not a slave to it. I don't hold it against something if I'm not transported instantly back, why would I? (Star Wars haters read this!) I hate those freaks obsessed with NERD-STOLGA, they suck the life out of everything! Harry seems like a crabby baby, didn't get exactly what he wanted, in his way, threw a fit.... - typical of this generation of crybabies and man-children. See Wallstreet Occupiers for further evidence.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:35 a.m. CST

    No hyperbole?

    by hitchhiker42

    whoa......Harry must be dying.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Uh, Zod?

    by Richard Cranium

    That was about as whiny and pissy as any talkbacker post I've ever read. Check the mirror.

  • (Gotta agree with both "nightarrows" AND "zombot" on this one) I clicked on your review thinking to myself "ok... let me read Harry gloss over the blemishes & talk up the MUPPETS like it was the Second Coming or the beginning of a new MUPPET Reconnaissance". So what I actually read was quite surprising. And don't get me wrong... I could certainly buy into the notion that THE MUPPETS is a ok to good movie being put on a "great movie" pedestal. Nostalgia for what we remember to be quality films, plus the quality of some of the dreck coming out nowadays doesn't make that hard. And if this was the only review of yours that I'd ever read, I could think "you know what... I think this guy may be right. We may just WANT this movie to be great, even though it doesn't really capture the magic of the best of the series." Unfortunately though, I have read reviews where you go out of your way to spin some REALLY bad crap into gold... To make stuff of Uwe Boll quality seem like it deserves a place in the Pop Culture Hall of Fame, and that most people just aren't allowing themselves to put all their baggage aside & just enjoy the movie for what it is. <cough>SW prequels!<cough> But to not do that for THE MUPPETS? To not give THEM the upsell? To not play up the positives and instead focus on the negatives for the f**king MUPPETS! Really?! REALLY HARRY?!?! All the horrific atrocities against film George Lucas (yes, I'm playing the GL card) committed when he spawned the prequel trilogy... "no, that's great! Back to the Star Wars universe! Doesn't matter if it's crap or not, as long as we get to have our eyeballs f**ked by tens of thousands of little images and ZERO good story! JarJar is totally the best we could do in terms of comic relief!" But Kermit seems a little off (which makes sense since his original operator has, you know, PAST ON), and now THE MUPPETS gets a "meh" from you?! Give me a f**kin' break.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Ya know what movie rocked? That Godzilla flick with Ferris B

    by Mike Myers

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    This is what happens when harry doesn't get invited to the set.

    by Doug Phillips

    Harry mad...write bad review...harry show you...go eat now.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    critique of the critic

    by chifforobe

    I agree that Harry is what he is-- he's not terribly articulate and may not even be interested in writing coherent reviews. It is quite silly to get too bent out of shape about these things-- but for the fact that Harry seems to have aquired more clout than an average blogger, even though that's exactly what he is. I was shocked the first time I saw a blurb of his imbedded in an actual movie trailer-- I didn't get it. So the problem isn't just that he's not that good, the problem is that he's not that good and his opinion has come to matter somehow. It's a little worrisome. However, I enjoy the other writers on the site-- I can tell they put in the effort.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:28 a.m. CST

    "Kermit could do better, she couldn't"????

    by FeralAngel

    Seriously, Harry - WHAT THE FUCK? What, a frog can do better in the dating department than a pig, but a pig can't do better than a frog - what biological, or ANY kind of "logical" - barometer are you using with that kind of judgement? Biologically speaking, a pig is all kinds of better than a frog, especially when it comes to brains, but...jesus never mind that, Harry, Piggy MADE the fucking Muppet show. She was THE star, she sold tons of merchandise, I remember that very clearly. She was a fantasy hottie back then. 60 Minutes described her as "the thinking man's Farrah Fawcett" (can't believe I'm remembering this stuff). Clearly, you identify a bit too much with the frog and have an issue with strong "uppity" women, or something. Jesus. I have no plans to see this movie, because unfortunately some of the Muppet scripting in the past has gone along with your bone-headed view plus it just plain sucked, and Kermit isn't really Kermit anymore since Jim died, but jeez. Speciesist and misogynistic, thou art Harry.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    4th: No Pwesents For Harry

    by omarthesnake

    Not a perfect movie, but fun, lively and a nice tribute to classic characters both through the characters themselves and two guys whose lives have been influenced by them. This review is a rambling hot mess. If you were that sick, I don't think your opinion is going to be valid anyhow.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST

    dphillips12

    by hitchhiker42

    He wasn't invited to the set because they might mistake him for Sweetums.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    And from what I've read, it's PIGGY'S mansion

    by FeralAngel

    She bought it for HIM, not the other way around.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST

    You can't just find someone that does a good Kermit voice!!!!!!

    by shatterglass

    Jesus, people, it doesn't take a genius to know that it's not as simple as just finding someone who does a good impression!! The person who does Kermit has to not only be a good puppeteer (which is an actual skill, you know) but they have to be a good "performer" and "comedian" essentially. Why Steve Whitmire is a great Kermit is that, even though he isn't an exact replica of Jim and there never will be, he is able to hold his own when going out on talk shows and stuff like that. He can improvise, be funny, sing, all that stuff. More than that, impressions just end up sounding like impressions. If you've ever heard Artie Esposito's Kermit (who's Steve's understudy) it's actually pretty horrible. It sounds like someone doing an impression of Jim Henson, while, even though Steve's voice is higher and doesn't have all the same mannerisms, there's still very much a natural feeling to Steve's performance. It doesn't feel like someone trying really hard to be Jim Henson.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST

    i got over tom servo's voice changing

    by zom-bot.com

    people need to get over kermit's. hell, i can do a better kermit impersonation that amazes people, but improvising with it and 'living' it, i cannot.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    what do your nefarious nostalgic nerds...

    by ZodNotGod

    Nothing.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    i love talkbacks on harry's reviews..

    by paul burnett

    .. it is the only reason i come here now, an i've been lurking for best part off a decade. Like most of you i imagine, i go elsewhere for scoops, but aicn just keeps dragging me back. And its because of these talkbalks... For all the ridiculing harry endures/puts up with/ignores; you can't deny it is his site.. and the fact he lets this abuse continue makes me...makes me happy. oh an fuck the muppets.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I think what we need

    by Smartacus

    Software. We need to be able to feed all the recorded voices of all the muppet characters into some software that then generates absolutely perfect copies of those voices. Think like a perfect version of those "Darth Vader" helmets that let you speak in Vaders voice except this would only go over their mouths and make everything they said come out in perfect muppet-voice. Maybe later when we've reached the limits of technology we could then figure out how to recall and trap tiny bits of Jim Henson's soul in each one of them kind of like a Horcrux. Then Harry can have his man-baby moment whenver he wants for as long as he lives.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Get over the voice thing, Harry.

    by GreatWhiteNoise

    It isn't Jim. Never gonna be. Not with Steve Whitmire or anyone else. Different interpretation on the character from a different performer. Accept it for what it is. Beyond that, I respect your right to express your completely erroneous opinions of the film. Take some Sudafed, give it another go at the multiplex this week, and see if you feel differently.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    but if it's not rated R it's gonna suck.....

    by Michael Lunney

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Wow you put up with a lot of crap Harry.

    by Mike Myers

    I gotta give you that one. You just keep doing your thing even when the entire talkback community is blasting you. Harry slammng talkbacks and Genderblender phony rage (guys she is working you over with that b.s) are the best things about reading here.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    With that....

    by ZodNotGod

    Am I not allowed to enjoy James Bond, Superman and Batman, Star Trek flicks because the original actors are no longer portraying them?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    So this will be an awesome movie

    by Mattman

    Can't wait now!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST

    If only Harry had received some free Muppet swag..

    by pikazerox

    This review would be glowing, like that Green Lantern ring WB gave him.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    "We brought our puppets, toys & merch..."

    by Nice Marmot

    Something I'd feel lucky to discover BEFORE I bought a ticket. Annoying as hell . . .

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    You're a fucking asshole Harry...

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    for going into a PACKED movie theatre knowing you were sick. You're not the first person to do that, but the fact that you openly admit it, makes you an even bigger asshole. No sympathy from me you joyless, sickly fuck. I have no interest in commenting on your so called 'review' since they're about as predictable as me having to take a massive brick after a Taco Bell meal.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ Dr Egon, Happy Thanksgiving? Calm down

    by steve

    Holy over-the-top anger over a muppet movie review.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Nerd rage about a muppet movie? Y'all need some perspective

    by steve

    Rage against something that isn't a muppet movie. Calm down already, it's embarrassing.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Join us for chat

    by Misco

    Hey guys, any of you ever click on the chat button? There's a chat room here. Come on in!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Happy Thanksgiving! I was just jumping on the abuse Harry train...

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

    It's an AICN tradition for any of Harry's review talkbacks. I couldn't give two shits about Harry's opinion, actually. He lost me a long time ago.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    saw it

    by Pipple

    it's part parody/part seriously legitimate muppet film. Unbalanced is right. Kids will love it. About on par with muppets take manhattan I'd say. No where near the best of the new muppet movies, muppet christmas carol. And wtf I didn't get where walter's whistle power came from, I saw the whole movie too, didn't go to the bathroom or anything so that came out of no where to me. NEEDED MORE GONZO.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Fuck this review

    by Chico Marmez

    The rest of us aren't gonna watch it after jizzing our pants to Hugo like you did. Rethink this and write a new review as if this was the only fucking movie you saw that day. Also, you're suspect! Whoever wrote that you didn't like this movie so much because you didn't get any free shit is on to something.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    huntermurals, work your tongue out of Harry's ginger-pubed ass

    by Mattman

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    does it bug anyone that harry's toons don't look like him?

    by zom-bot.com

    i've seen him- photographs both new and old. he looks nothing like his cartoon, which has more and better controlled hair, a somewhat normal expression and despite the fat-based humor is nowhere as rotund as the real deal. it's obvious that the artist who does those animations is GREAT at caricatures of other personalities, i just wish he'd redesign harry to actually look like harry.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Hot tub of Love

    by Pipple

    From American Dad is more fun than most of the musical numbers in this movie btw. And one thing that was actually noteworthy was the movie's commentary on the muppets being irrelevant in this new cynical age, yet I don't really get the feeling the movie countered that argument well enough. How exactly are the muppets still necessary outside of sesame street? The movie prettymuch ends exactly when it's about to explain why which was a letdown. I personally know why they're still cool to me (because of their smart humor and colorful personalities), but do kids these days give a shit?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Can't agree

    by scott spivey

    You are just not a kid anymore Harry thats why you don't like it as much. I think Jason Segal was a genius to be in this one. And it brings back a little magic in movie instead of all this CG crap thats out today, which by the way as amazing HUGO is a lot of CG was in there unless Im mistaken. You also don't like it because its getting good reviews everywhere else (almost). Remember GODZILLA. LOL Have a good holiday Harry I hope your cold gets better.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    voice thing.

    by scott spivey

    Yep , I agree, no Jim has been gone from us for 21 years now, it will never be the same. Its like when Walt Disney passed, Disney was never the same but it wasn't all bad either, as much I hated Eisner, there were some good times after Uncle Walt went away. So yeah get over the voice thing, as a movie it was still good.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Harry is not a movie critic/journalist...

    by p0llk4t

    ...he's simply a blogger who writes about movies. Nothing more. If you try and hold him to any objective standards that apply to a real journalist/critic, he fails completely. If you simply see him as an extreme fanboy who (mostly) writes about movies he watches, then you won't be disappointed. It's funny though that Harry likes to try and walk the line between both, claiming he's not a journalist/critic only when it's not convenient for him...

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    A Muppet movie should NOT be about the humans stars, Harry.

    by Drath

    If you think you'd have liked the movie better that way, you have to consider you are no longer able to enjoy the Muppets anymore and that MAYBE that's your fault not theirs. If it IS the Muppets' fault though, I'd like to hear some theories to why. Also, Piggy's going to karate chop your ass for saying she couldn't do better than Kermit. Just going there at all is really messed up, shame on you.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    As much as I want to watch Hugo.......

    by david starling

    .......I want to see The Muppets first (curse the stupid February release date here in the UK!!), and this review kinda smells like the bad review given to Oceans Eleven, given in the wake of Fellowship of the Rings - cold or no cold. Harry, watch it again and then review it. Remember , in the Ocean's Eleven review you stated that 3000 Miles to Graceland was better - and man, that film was a pile of utter garbage!! Would love to know what you were ill with when you made that judgment!!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    harry's toon should look more like a ginger MODOK

    by zom-bot.com

    am i the only one that sees the irony that a fanboy manchild was crushed byt he weight of his own cart of toys? yet nothing was learned.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Hey the Muppets were the SHIT UNTIL SIMPSONS TOOK OVER

    by doom master

    If Only Henson went that route instead of the Muppet movies....

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I just saw it and the only voice that bothered me was Fozzie

    by sunwukong86

    He just sounded off. His mannerisms didnt seem right either. Rowlf bothered me a little bit too. However, I was surprised how well the new performer did with Piggy. I had to remind myself it wasnt Frank Oz.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Saw it..

    by paint163

    It was fucking garbage..totaly overhyped shit.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    "Kinda honestly... nearly completely"

    by feckdrinkarse

    Previously; "just absolutely didn't quite do it for me." I'm not from an English-speaking country but this sounds odd to my ear. Is it?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5 p.m. CST

    Bullshit, the movie was great

    by m_prevette

    sure, some of it was creaky, and the jack black stuff...well, jack black doesn't belong in any movie, really. But the movie was lively, funny and sweet. And *****SPOILER HERE************************* the moment at the end when Kermit exits the theater and Hollywood Blvd is jammed with thousands of fans, was simply magical and a perfect moment ********** END SPOILER ******************** The movie was lots of fun, the songs were good if not great...but the "Rainbow Connection" scene was a great capper. Harry is wrong on this one.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Ween's "Someday" is a better Muppet song than anything in this movie

    by biltbuckley

    Fact.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:34 p.m. CST

    the world disagrees

    by malpaso

    So do I

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    sick fat fuck again!

    by clavo

    Is it me or is this fat fuck always sick? Really dude, you need to change something in your life! The question isn't why are you always sick...it is when are you ever healthy?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Life long Muppet fan....

    by Refuge5

    I was born in the 70's, I loved the muppet show and the original muppet movies... I saw the new movie today and loved it!

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Face it Harry, if you get no free swag you don't score a movie good

    by TheKiller7

    Talkbackers are on to your evil ways! LOL

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Just a few words from a parent...

    by Nick

    I usually just get on this site to see people argue, but this is the first time I felt compelled to comment on anything. First off, I'm a 32 year old die hard Muppet fan. I grew up watching everything Muppets. I saw this movie tonight with my wife, who has no love for the characters. We both laughed and teared up at this film. My 8 year old son and 6 year old daughter want to see this film. That's saying a lot, because I can't get them to watch any of the old shows or movies. If they want to go, then there must be something going on here. I feel there may be either one of two explanations going on here with Mr. Knowles review. Either he's like me when he's sick and just wants to spread the misery and rile crap up, or he's one of these people who have this unrealistic sense of ownership of a property. It's perfectly fine to feel joy at something, but when you start trying to deny any of a younger generation the same sense of wonder that we had when we were kids, you just become that grumpy old man who wants those 'darn kids off of his lawn.' This is the same thing as the Transformers trilogy. Everyone crapped all over that thing, and yeah I didn't love it. That didn't matter, because to see the awe and wonder in my son's eyes in the movie theater as the film rolled on was worth it. I grew up with Transformers, but at some point you have to grow up and let the new generation play with your toys. I truly hope that the reason he wrote this is because of the former and not the latter, because how you can have a fair review of something if you have to have it your way? This isn't Burger King, it's Hollywood and time. Things change. Also, you can't compare Hugo and The Muppets. It's like comparing apples and oranges. These are two entirely different films that happen to be in the children's genre. The only true way to compare something is against something of comparable value, such as comparing Batman Begins with The Dark Knight, or comparing Back to the Future to Back to the Future 2. Can you compare Back to the Future to Batman Begins? You could, but you would look like an idiot to whomever you were talking to. And not to rile up anyone here or anything, but I haven't seen a great Scorsese film since Goodfellas. Everything since then feels almost phoned in. Well, that's my little diatribe. I'll just end with saying that if you are a true Muppet fan, you WILL LOVE THIS FILM. If you have little kids, take them because everyone could use a little Muppet in their lives.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST

    When there's hyperbole you bash him and when there isn't? you bash him too.

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    Harry can't win.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    You've got to be fucking kidding me.

    by thedottedlion

    No more goddammit. If I wanna see Entertainment Weekly pics I'll FUCKING BUY ONE. If I wanna see non exclusive articles 99% of the time, I'll go to any other site on the internet. If I want to see some fat shit say all good movies suck and all bad movies are great, I'll ask my dumbshit uncle what he thinks. I'm out.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9 p.m. CST

    To quote Brett Ratner....

    by mjgtexas

    Jesus Christ, some of you are such thin-skinned fags.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Easily the third best Muppet ever

    by slone13

    Might actually be as good as Great Muppet Caper, so that would tie it for second.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Muppets need to be edgy again!

    by Drunken Busboy

    The Muppets have lost their mojo. They are too safe now. Remember their Ed Sullivan appearances? Even in the early days of Sesame Street they were edgy and very funny. The 1st season of Saturday Night Live? Edgy! Even the Muppet Show was edgy and geared more for adults. They have been homogenized greatly since then! Muppet Treasure Island!? Muppet Wizard of OZ? Not that funny or good! The Muppets have been made into Corporate Shills over the years. I hope the NEW Movie steers their ship back into the right direction again! :(

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Muppets will be Hugo....

    by ecto-cooler

    because of the trailers! I have seen all of the the TV trailers and have now idea what the movie is about?

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 10:27 p.m. CST

    *Muppets will beat Hugo*

    by ecto-cooler

    and also cause Harry did not like Muppets and Hugo is plastered all over the site.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST

    i loved it! saw it this afternoon. watching Hugo tomorrow.

    by antonphd

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Tsk tsk tsk

    by maxjohnson1971

    I went to see this after work tonight and there were MAYBE five kids in the audience. Everyone was laughing and there were cheers when certain events took place like Fozzies first "Wokka wokka" and Ms. Piggy's face popping up the first time. Harry, you have become one of the cynical assholes that this movie was talking about. Watch it again without your fucking toys and the snot running out of your nose and crusting up on that stupid looking beard. You have REALLY lost me on this one.

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:39 p.m. CST

    And learn to fucking write too!!

    by maxjohnson1971

  • Nov. 23, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Dear Harry

    by BlaGyver

    I have no idea if you actually read the talkbacks at this point. So very rarely do I actually see you respond to something that I feel like everything I'm about to type is going to fall on deaf ears. Whatever. It's worth a shot. I say this as....I guess the term would be fan. This site has played a huge part in my interest in film. I started keeping up with it when I was 14. It's been five years and I still check it pretty much whenever I get on a computer. So don't get me wrong. I appreciate that you created this site and I appreciate what you've contributed as a whole. That said, and I BEG that you take this to heart...you have lost it. I do not say this to make you feel bad about yourself, I'm not saying it to be mean. You are not the same writer you were five years ago, and I don't mean that you've grown. I first noticed this when I saw you give a glowing review to The Spirit, an absolutely dreadful movie. The more I paid attention, the more I noticed how much you were slipping up. I'm not going to accuse you of taking bribes or being biased. I don't know you personally and therefore I'm not qualified to make that call. But let's take a step back and look at what you've become: You get overly excited about individual movies to the point that you actually allow your high opinion of them to affect your enjoyment of other films, regardless of similarity. This is evident in both this review as well as your review of Inception. In fact, with Inception, you hadn't even SEEN Scott Pilgrim yet. You simply "knew" you would enjoy it more. This is not good policy when reviewing a film, and if it is your policy, you shouldn't tell your readers. Your reviews have become almost impossible to read at this point as half of any given review tends to be autobiography. Yes, we love hearing about your personal connections to a film...for a paragraph, maybe two. It's become so bad that I personally tend to avoid your reviews. And don't get me started on the grammatical errors. Good lord, they don't have to be Harvard thesis papers, but at least make sure your sentences make sense. Common complaint, but the DVD column has gone to shit, and that's one of my favorite parts of the site. Don't write when you're on pain meds. If you're sick when you go see a movie, don't review it (that will inevitably affect your opinion of the film). Don't half-ass a review by watching a pirated version of the film like you did with Drive. In short, you just don't seem like you give a shit anymore. I may be wrong. Bottom line is that it doesn't matter if you do or don't: your work as of right now says that you don't, and nothing you can say will convince us otherwise. So I'm begging you: take some time off. Get an editor. Do whatever you need to do to get back to your old self, because this site can't take much more of your shit. Personally, I'm already looking at BleedingCool and ComicBookMovie more than this site. And that bums me out. But at the end of the day, they're still putting out better stuff than you are right now. Change that. I know you can.

  • I would not hang on to this guy's word about film, or even things geek. He's kind of gross, and squanders all the good will people swing his way. Seems to me he is stuck in his way of thinking, and just lalalalalalalalalaiamnotlisteningtoyous his way out of any rational thinking. He acts and writes like a child, and I don't think he cares to change this at all. Don't make the mistake of respecting him or taking him seriously, because he doesn't take you seriously, or any of his readers. I suggest reading other sites and graduating from AICN. I only ever come here for the talkbacks, because this site has spent years collecting readers. But respecting Harry's opinion? Why would I do that? I have an opinion of my own. Study film. Make film. Do your own thing. Harry is not a true geek anymore. He's caught that bug that floats around Hollywood when you start to get inside the circle. It's twisted, and if you rely too much on it, you can lose your integrity, as has Happened with Harry. He chooses this, and he doesn't care. It's what he did all this for in the beginning anyway. Now that he's gotten what he wants, it's all that matters. He's done. Slashfilm, Bleedingcool, Hitfix, John Carpenter... there are many other avenues. please...take them, my friend!

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I'm kinda with Harry on this one

    by darthvedder81

    I liked it, but I'd put near the bottom of Muppet films overall even behind MUPPET TREASURE ISLAND. It's definitely in the sweet and corny Muppet mode ala the TV show and not the bizarre, more off-the-wall humor of the earlier movies. In other words it needed more Gonzo (who's barely in it). Also thought it was weird not seeing Rizzo anywhere and it would have been nice to see some of the newer Muppets mixed in there (Only 6 seconds for Pepe?). It's fun it's just not everything I was hoping it would be. Hopefully it does well enough for more movies to be made and to take the characters into more creative situations.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Occupy: Muppet Movie

    by tatoosh

    The evil oil man character was lazily written and performed by Cooper, and every scene had a large bank building framed in the background shot. And I didn't know reading The Economist was regarded as bad

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 1:06 a.m. CST

    The only funny political joke was:

    by tatoosh

    Sam the Eagle as a Fox News anchor. Perfect.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST

    maybe it's our fault..

    by paul burnett

    ..maybe our tastes have changed as we've got older. I bet a lotta talkbalkers on this site have gone from being single guys with disposable incomes to married fathers with responsibilities. Maybe thats why a lot of long time visitors to aicn get wound up by harry's reviews,after all he's not changed in years,he hasn't needed to, he still worships stuff that he ecountered when he was 13. So while the rest of us grow,our tastes in film,music...well everything change. Nothing changes here.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 3:24 a.m. CST

    So this will be the ONLY review of The Muppets here?

    by DrBathroomMD

    A wonderful movie such as this and this is the only opinion on it for the site? So that means that this review is the AICN's official position on this movie now? Awesome. Just awesome. Pffffft.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Oh man, It's like harry's Inception review allover again.

    by timpig3k

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Harry, you are dead wrong!!!

    by gksquire9

    This review, your take and issues with the movie is what is referred to as a YOU PROBLEM. I can appreciate that you love movies, and have a website, and you now know famous people and really dedicated movie nerds like me, but it doesn't give you the right to write a review like that. Why? Because the real magic, the stuff that just wasn't there for you, was there, but you can't see it because you didn't take a son or daughter to see this movie. I grew up watching and loving, not fully understanding the hidden subtext and complexities of the Muppets, but was filled with wonder at talking Frogs and karate-chopping pigs. I grew up, learned of their creators death, that hands worked mouths, that behind the scenes people really did care more about money than they did this franchise. But that all got washed away for me as soon as that movie started and my two year old was screaming with laughter. Through out the movie he sat, transfixed, hand in popcorn bag, and smiled. At three or for points he reached over and grabbed my hand and my wife's hand at the same time. He didn't give a shit about whether or not Frank Oz doesn't think Kermit would live in a mansion, which was essentially his personal prison. My son was just happy to see fun and love on the screen, and in turn that is what made it one of my most favorite theater-going experiences ever. So, I hope you can appreciate that your review is ill-advised, in so writing you have missed the entire point of what this should be, about kids, not about you.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Sorry Harry you missed it on this one...Muppets Great movie!!!!!!

    by shawn rhoades

  • really...this guy is a movie fan? Hey, put your ego down, go take care of your health and treat yourself and the readers of this site with a bit of fucking respect...

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 7:53 a.m. CST

    HArry, the FIRST Muppets movie fell flat...

    by mdk

    ...every other Muppets movie between that on and this new one are better left uncommented upon. No surprise that this one is off, too. The Muppets were always better in small doses like the brilliant 22 minutes of anarchy per weel that was The Muppet Show. Trying to stretch that comedic chaos out into a 2 hour format has always failed.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with Harry....

    by PhxMonsterGuy

    As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Harry on the Muppets. I love them, grew up with them, eagerly anticipated and saw every movie at the theater. That being said, I equally anticipated this new movie. Saw it and "Hugo" yesterday. I understand why they both have such a high RT rating. The Muppets is a sweet, gentle return of our friends. I laughed a lot and left the theater with a smile. But my enjoyment level also got lower and lower as the movie progressed. I couldn't recall quotable dialog from a single scene afterwords, nor could my friend who went with me. I also nodded off 3 times in the final half hour of the film. While I would give it a thumbs up, I will not see it a second time. I will buy it when it comes on DVD but it is easily my least favorite Muppet film. I guess with all the rave reviews I was expecting so much more. Instead of filet mignon I was served a nice tasty flank steak. It was good, prepared well, but ultimately forgettable. And "Hugo" was enjoyable but not the second Coming either. As a fan of silent films I loved its nod to the genre and one of its pioneers, it was beautiful to watch, but I have no idea what audience they are trying to reach. Kids are going to be bored shitless and unless you are a huge fan of film and silent films I think you will ultimately be "eh". So, while I liked both films I found them easily forgettable in the end. God I hope Tintin isn't the same.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    "kinda honestly"?? What the fuck does that mean??

    by AsimovLives

    Again, english native speakers fucking up their own native language with compeltly irrational and illogical statements. You are either honest or not. Kinda honestly means absolutly nothing. Assume a position, Harry. Either say your honest opinion and don't. "Kinda honest" means jack shit.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Right on Blaguyver

    by D.Vader

    I hardly read his reviews any more because I just don't have any use for them. I don't trust a single one.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    *vain

    by planetran_fan

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Piggy was a superstar, planetran_fan

    by FeralAngel

    Many people didn't find her annoying, not amusing, not contributing (certainly Jim Henson appreciated her contributions to his bank account). I understand if you don't like her, but I think the writers are at fault rather then the character. Just sayin'. Anyway, I saw the pig on Chelsea Lately and I was impressed by her current puppeteer. Better voice than Oz's, in my opinion and the pig was a lady when asked obnoxious questions. FWIW.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST

    And I still don't agree with your Astro

    by FeralAngel

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    oops, your Astro Boy review

    by FeralAngel

    Dang, my space key is acting up. Anyway, Astro Boy is still a great fun well-animated movie. My neighbor's kids watched it with me last night (block party) and they loved it. Very underrated movie, kinda like Iron Giant.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Harry, just stop reviewing movies

    by grev

    You are without a doubt the worst movie reviewer I've ever read. After 2 days without sleep you watched Inception, fell asleep during the film, then decided it must be the films fault not yours because you never fall asleep. Now you lay into the muppets because you watched it while feeling ill and didn't enjoy the experience - so clearly that's the films fault, not yours. Then mix in the z movie dross you always give rave reviews to... and honestly, why do you think anyone should bother reading any of your reviews any more? Seriously, why?

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST

    feralangel I agree with you about Piggy

    by sunwukong86

    I totally forgot it wasnt Frank Oz voicing Piggy. Fozzy and Rowlf on the other hand I had a real problem with. Rowlf barely had any screentime either, whats up with that?

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    You guys are fucking assholes.

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    Harry loves a movie: "OMG he's full of shit!!! I don't trust his opinion!!! This movie probably sucks!" Harry hates a movie: "OMFG he's full of shit!!! I don't care what he says, I'm still going to see this!! It's probably awesome!!" It's like you pricks just log in just to shit on his reviews and bring up other reviews of his you didn't agree with him on. Nothing but fucking trolls here, I swear.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Unless it's you who is an asshole...odds are not on ur side

    by quantize

    dickhead

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Good Comeback

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    Asshole.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Negative Muppet Reviews

    by Matthew Domville

    Here's a comic about the only bad "Muppets" reviews: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=180

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Looney Tunes wasn't the same after Mel Blanc died

    by Queefer Sutherland

    With cartoons or puppets, it's the voice and performer who make the character. Kermit died with Jim Henson. I don't know who that green frog poseur is, but he ain't Kermit.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Harry was off on his review of THE THING remake.

    by Drunken Busboy

    It was a pretty decent movie. Not a classic like the 1st 2 THING movies but was pretty good. I liked it. People like Harry were just too attached to the Carpenter version. Now sadly because of this stigma we won't get a straight up sequel. As far as the Muppets goes Queefer's comparison to Mel Blanc dying and the quality of Looney Tunes to Jim Henson dying and the quality of the Muppets is ver valid. Both are missing the edgy humor. Both are not homogenized (sp?)! But I will still give the new MUPPET movie a chance even with Harry's review. Just like I did with THE THING 2011.

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Muppet movie

    by The Eskimo

    So I just saw the new muppet movie, and all I have to say is fuck you haters! I laughed and cried and sure it was full of shit, but it may be my favorite move ever. I've read this site for its info and its snark (from the commentators) for a long time, but rarely comment myself (I don't know if Danny Glover's Dick Blood is still on here, but he was one of my favs), so all I've got to say in "Ma na ma na" mother fuckers!!! Bring on the new muppet franchises!

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Was Awesome - I think some have only seen the Films...

    by billandted

    Harry, they did "Current" songs on the show All the Time! it was a great blend of the movies and the show, WAY better than most things the have come out in a while. Sorry it was really really good. "I just thought I could make a difference"

  • Nov. 24, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    @mjgtexas

    by Finn

    Only dickleas twats use the word "fag". Glad we all know...don't worry, I wont tell your boyfriends.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Just saw this movie and it is awesome.

    by frank

    Ignore anyone who speaks negatively of it and just go see it.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Harry...

    by stevepants

    I just can't take your reviews as serious critique's of a film anymore. Maybe you don't intend for them to be taken as such anyway. I wish I could articulate well, how this review irritates the hell out of me. There's just something sort of arrogant about it. Boooooo to this review. I give this review 1 Perfect Strangers out of 5 Silver Spoons.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST

    also

    by stevepants

    "serious critique's" ...way to use terrible grammar me. Jerk.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Uninspired

    by timesfool

    Jason Segal, interviewed on Fresh Air called this film a 'love song to the Muppets.' I'm sure that is exactly what they wanted to do, but there's a problem Harry was reluctant to actually put words to: Jim Henson is dead and Frank Oz is not part of this film. Henson and Oz were Kermit and Miss Piggy. Period. They created those characters, created the dynamic, the humor, the subtle touches that showed through the felt. Anyone else 'playing' these characters is just imitation. This film is imitation Muppets. The fact that the film refers to the characters as Muppets (correct me if I'm wrong, but no previous film ever called them that, they were just Kermit, Piggy, Gonzo, etc), makes this more of a satire of Muppet history. It may not be important history to some, just pop history to others, or, in a bigger stretch, a kind of fan fiction from fan boys to a half-remembered childhood watching the Muppet Show. Back then, Henson called his team 'Muppeteers' not 'puppeteers' and that too, is a difference. Henson's take was unique. It has never been replicated. It can't be. Like JJ Abram's take on Star Trek, without input from anyone who was originally connected with the show (Leonard Nimoy's appearance aside), the film lacked any of the values the original Trek lived by. The Muppets suffers from much the same problem. It's an attempt to reboot a franchise, to bring back a feel-good sensibility to films (not in themselves bad ideas), but without the inner understanding of what gave the original its greatness. This kind of co-opting of past genius is bothersome: I recently read a bit of 'historical fiction' by an author claiming to write the 'real' story of Alice of Alice in Wonderland. It was an arrogant claim, especially considering this author did little actual research on her subject (just the usual popular, well-known books on the subject) and had never read the Alice books before composing her own. She was only inspired by seeing some photographs Lewis Carroll had taken. I mention this only because there is something of a zeitgeist about it: the lack of real ideas (or scholarship), just the re-framing of someone else's work into entertainment that hasn't any real inspiration behind it. Just being a fan of something isn't 'inspiration.' Nostalgia, maybe. Nostalgia is all we get.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 3:56 a.m. CST

    "Good Comeback"

    by quantize

    Thanks dipshit

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Not anymore

    by macrat84

    So I have read Harry's reviews. I have seen him pan some movies I love and rave about movies I thought were lukewarm. Granted, I don't have the greatest taste in movies, but that is because I go to a movie to relax and enjoy myself, but I can admit to myself when I enjoy a bad movie or don't particularly care for a great one. However, "The Muppets" is one of the most fun, lighthearted, and enjoyable movies I have seen in a while. Jim Henson was magical, as were his collaborators. Sadly, Jim was taken from us far to early, and over the years his collaborators have scattered to the wind. While we will never have that magic again (though there is always hope) this movie did a damn fine job of resurrecting the gift Jim and his creations gave us all. Harry, your review stinks and you are no longer relevant as a critic in my eyes.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    lostboytexasshole, you're so classy.

    by SCYTHEOFLUNA

    Using the word "Faggot" illustrates what a tacky individual you are in and of itself on any occasion, but on a forum for a Muppets review? Really? Nobody can help it if there parents were blood relatives, but let's try to keep the dialogue free of hatespeech, okay? That's not cool. You are not a South Park character and it's not funny. It's offensive. & before you come back with some crack about me being gay, I'm actually straight and married, I'm just not a soulless douche. I'm not black, Mexican, Asian, or Jewish either, but I still don't like it when people use ethnic slurs against those folks either. Grow up, knock it off, and get an adult vocabulary, or keep your mouth shut. & Seriously AICN, I have no problem with cursing, but can you please start banning people who use racial or homophobic slurs? They make me want to get violent, and I don't like feeling that way.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    dude, it's the muppets...

    by Evil_Homer45

    WTF did you expect to get from that movie? Something incredibly fulfilling as a narrative that changes your outlook on life? Again, it's the muppets! Considering how many times you came in your pants over the hollow, drab, and over hyped "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World", I'd say you went into this film with the wrong state of mind. Remember, the muppets were created because people painted and added hair to plumbing pipes in Rock. studio because they were bored, not because they wanted to change the world...

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Re: Harry

    by ArmageddonProductions

    No offense, but considering your previous love of THE PHANTOM MENACE, ATTACK OF THE CLONES, REVENGE OF THE SITH, GODZILLA and SUPERMAN RETURNS, I can only assume that a) your opinion of and taste in movies is completely fucked or b) Disney forgot to mail you a check, invite you to the set or send you a prop to grease the wheels properly. Maybe both. In any event, not only are you gonna find yourself in the VAST minority on this one, but you may well come off as whistling Dixie out of your considerable asshole.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    The lack of Rowlf

    by Mordock57

    sunwukong86, I think it's because, honestly, Rowlf was the closest character, both in voice and manner, to Jim Henson himself. That also makes him the most difficult to re-enact. I noticed the lack of him in the movie myself, but I realized it would also be the most noticeable difference from the original, so I was okay with it.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Fantastic movie

    by SSquirrel

    I bought tickets for my wife, my mom and our 2 daughters (6 and 3 1/2) and we went this afternoon. We all laughed, my oldest daughter got very sad toward the end. I had a great time w/it and getting to se all the Muppets singing Rainbow Connection on the big screen was amazing. I'm 35 so I was just a bit too young to see the original Muppet Movie in theaters. My daughters were watching it this morning before we went and they're watching Muppet's Christmas Carol right now. Kermit seemed like Kermit to me. I actually saw someone complain about how hokey some bits of the movie felt and I was as shocked as seeing Harry whine that we needed more time w/the humans. It's a GODDAMN MUPPET MOVIE!!! The humans were just the impetus to get the Muppets back together and are really just a sub-plot IMO. Animal played drums, Piggy was a diva, Gonzo was a weirdo (loved his remote control label), the chickens clucking Cee Lo's "Forget You" {Fuck You} had me cracking up when I saw it in a trailer and it was great on the screen. Harry is a sad old bastard who has forgotten what made the Muppets great and it sure wasn't the human foils they put on the screen with them.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    big liquid shit

    by Philip Tolken

    on this review!

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    So Harry, what you're saying, basically,

    by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head

    Is that this movie wasn't as good as Godzilla or Phantom Menace.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I assumed in my head that the cee lo gree song by the chickens was

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    "Cluck you". They didn't directly say it, but that made it funnier.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Cluck You

    by SSquirrel

    Well the entire song was made up of "bawk bawk bawk" etc so it was never said like that, but calling their version of the song Cluck You is very fitting. Kind of like if the Smurfs did it the song would be called Smurf You :)

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Muppets hype reminds me of when Where The Wild Things came out

    by Bobo_Vision

    That movie was total shit but was lauded with praise by hipsters and manchilds who never grew up, and if you didn't like that movie you were supposedly a "cynical bastard with no heart". Muppets are annoying as fuck...and so are the people who like them.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Don't let this talkback end!!

    by maxjohnson1971

    Harry is incredibly lame for not liking this movie!! He should be reminded of it over and over, forever!!

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Any review Harry can walk away from....

    by Mike H.

    is impossible, because he's in a wheelchair.

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    I'm 36. I don't give a fuck about Muppets any more.

    by TheApostle

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    The last 30 min was good

    by KevinMuller

    The first 45 min to an hour was ok... did not care for some of the musical numbers. I have to say that Walter was a great addition to the Muppet family

  • Nov. 25, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Saw it, loved it. It doesn't matter what age you are...

    by Mattman

    As long as you're alive.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST

    theapostle

    by slone13

    Nobody gives a fuck what you give a fuck about. It's true.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST

    MUPPETS>HUGO!

    by BirdieNumNum

    Hugo was a dull boring self serving piece of shite! I could not wait for the film to end. It has nothing to do with my lack of appreciation for film history. I am a film fanatic but this movie was killing me. Ugh so droll and tedious. The Muppets is a completely different kind of movie and had me laughing and crying. Scorcese needs to take a lesson in pacing from James Bobin.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 2:09 a.m. CST

    I give a fuck about what theapostle gives a fuck about

    by Bobo_Vision

    And many others do too. So it's not true what slone13 said. It's more lies and propaganda. <p> Speaking of which, the following people believe 9/11 was an inside job: <p> Martin Sheen, David Lynch, Richard Linklater, Woody Harrelson, Mark Ruffalo, James Cromwell, James Brolin, Peter Coyote, Erica Jong, Gore Vidal, and Ralph Nader to name a few. These are just the ones who have come forward.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Bobo_Vision, got it in one

    by FeralAngel

    The Muppet hype is EXACTLY like the hype for Wild Things, that pathetic whiny boring piece of crap full of furries with big wobbly heads. Christ, what is it with the generation that worships EVERYTHING from its childhood, with no sense of perspective or advancement of taste? 'Course, I'm not much better, defending Miss Piggy here on this talkback, heheheh. But I still haven't seen the movie and I doubt I ever will. From what I've heard, it's a pandering manipulative nostalgia orgy with a dull first hour and an ending that doesn't make sense. Also, plot and character expositions were apparently jettisoned, particularly bits of Kermit and Piggy's backstory and the villain's reason for hating the Muppets so much. Yes, I've looked into this movie and talked to people who've seen it. And as a result, I think I prefer my memories to this latest Disney reboot. Thanks just the same.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST

    knowing that this guy doesn't "love it" means its probably awesome

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    and that first paragraph... oh my god. retarded.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Like it, don't like it...

    by Mike H.

    It doesn't matter. The point here, is Harry and his "review"

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Saw it last night and loved it

    by ltgalloway

    Sorry Harry, I respect your thoughts and feelings on this but I don't agree. I thought it was fantastic. Granted I don't have an obsessive love of the Muppets, but I thought they captured the humor and heart remarkably well. They put forth a real effort to do the best Muppet movie they could and that's all anyone can ask for. Don't get me wrong. It could never be the same as those classic Muppet movies, nor should we want it to be. I think they stand for themselves and making comparisons is folly. It's a modern world. Times have changed, but some things haven't and I thought they did very well bringing the sentiment back for a modern audience. Sorry, hope my mind splurg made at least some sense.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Where the Wild Things Are

    by Jed

    Oh. Go. FUCK YOURSELVES. I'm glad people like bobo_vision don't have development positions. Ya'll need to remember what CS Lewis said about putting away childish things. And the notion that fetishizing/deconstruction of childhood tropes is somehow a recent trend, you haven't been watching movies in my lifetime.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    What. Are. Development. Positions. You. Pretentious. Hipster. Fuck?

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Whack jobs, the whole lot of them.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    The difference between Where The Wild Things Are and Muppets...

    by slone13

    ...is that Where the Wild Things Are was an attractive failure whereas The Muppets is resounding success.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Tbers are pathetic...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Harry gives a good review:... "You like everything Harry!"... "You got paid off didn't you"... Then dozens of fat jokes and bullshit from jealous basement trolls. Harry gives a movie a bad Review: "Fuck you Harry!"... "What they didn't give you enough swag"... "Wrong again Harry" You people are now clearly pathetic trolls. He gives a bad review, you defend the movie blindly. Gives a good review and you hate the film. Fuck man get a real opinion, this isn't middle school anymore. You can be a grown up.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Because he gives a bunch of good reviews to shitty movies.

    by Randy

    So when he gives a more mixed/negative review to a good movie, it seems strange cuz he loves so many bad movie. Sure it's Subjective, but some of his reviews for stuff like Nightmare on Elm Street remake are laughable.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by Freddie Miller

    You're pooing on the Muppets for not being more like a Martin Scorsese film. The Muppets.... Right.

  • Nov. 26, 2011, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Harry the Hipster was a Muppet in the 60s

    by sunwukong86

    http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Harry_the_Hipster So think what you want about them lol

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to RPLocke?

    by D.Vader

    Lockesbrokenleg? I miss that crazy guy.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Choppah, Vader, Weirdo

    by BlaGyver

    Drinks on me.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Oh, and this movie was great.

    by BlaGyver

    Between Animal, Dave Grohl's two second cameo, lots of fourth-wall breaking (I'm a sucker for it), and the moment when they walked out of the theatre, I loved it.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    "A week ago know"

    by maxjohnson1971

    What the fuck?

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The movie was pretty good.

    by elsachmo

    I liked it, and smiled a lot during the viewing. I actually liked the nostalgic moments, but whatever. I do feel like it needed about 30 minutes more on the runtime, seriously. It was about an hour and a half, but felt much quicker than that, and you do feel like they needed just a little bit more in various areas. Again, I really liked it, but I find myself thinking they could have done more and given us more Muppets antics and story with Segel and Adams.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Another Harry review that starts with a health ailment

    by coconutgroves

    We saw it last night and loved it. Go see Hugo again Harry so you can weep some more.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    META-FUN

    by Evstar Galaxim

    Someone should do a side-by-side comparison of this movie, The Blues Brothers movie, and the original Muppet Movie. Many of the jokes had neat "meta" twists, like that "Muppet of a Man" human-in-the-mirror gag. I find it odd indeed that here, in an AICN Talkback, under an article written by Harry K himself, absolutely no one has even mentioned the PIXAR short shown before the film.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The Jackalope's thought a lot...

    by theJackalope

    ...about Harry's review of THE MUPPETS and this is kinda honestly where I'm at... Harry has no credibility as a critic. And I tend to agree with thouse who believe Harry's rave reviews are purchased with kickbacks and free shit and the negative ones are what you get when he hasn't been bribed. I've seen THE MUPPETS and loved it. And, as far as there being "something wrong with Kermit".... Where have you BEEN, Harry? Steve Whitmire has been Kermit for 20 YEARS NOW! And he does a great job. If you didn't know that then you cannot be much of a Muppet fan.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Jackalope!! Of COURSE Harry is a fan!

    by maxjohnson1971

    He brought a toy with him didn't he? A fucking toy for Christ's sake!!

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I know what threw off Harry

    by thelordofhell

    I went into The Muppets expecting a good throwback kids movie. What I got was a high dose of romance in this kids movie. I was surprised at how adult the relationships were treated like in The Muppets. The brotherly love of Segel and Walter....the newlywed love vibe of Segel and Adams.....and the mature re-uniting love of Kermit and Piggy....and of course, the love of The Muppet Show throughout. Hugo threw the whole 3-Dspecialeffectsnamedirector laden slop full on the screen yet it didn't have a thimbleful of emotion and heart compared to The Muppets. Harry was just too sick to feel this movie. You really needed to see this movie when you felt better Harry. You missed a whole lot of good things represented in it because you were too sick to pay proper attention to it.

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Oh my fucking God Harry...

    by shawn_h

    WHERE DOES IT END! "I hated Inception because I was sleepy when I watched it" "I hated The Muppets because I was sick" Oh my goodness, so you give excuses to why you don't like movies yet jizz all over literally EVERYTHING else? You are a big joke Harry, your website is a joke. JOKE, JOKE, JOKE, JOKE!!!!! I will fart on your entree one day, you deserve it. Your face is mixture between a troll, an ugly old woman, and a piece of peach cobbler!

  • Nov. 27, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    In defense of Harry...

    by Joel Rickenbach

    The Muppets is great, no doubt, but 'Hugo' is the gem of the weekend methinks. if you're a cinephile, or just love the magic of film and filmmaking, then you owe it to yourself to see it. The Muppets is a ton of fun, but Hugo reaches for something greater- Art, Cinema, Life...whatever you want to define it as. The Muppets will make you laugh, make you happy and even tug at your heartstrings with a bit of nostalgia, but Hugo speaks to the artists, the dreamers, the adventurers...

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Awesome movie

    by TheNothing

    Even better than I thought it would be, and I had pretty high hopes. Optimistic, uplifting, completely unpretentious, and SO much fun.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Good for him, William Faulkner

    by D.Vader

    We all knew that guy would be a success.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The world needs more movies like the Muppets

    by sunwukong86

    Movies that just make you happy seeing them. The world has become too cynical and these talkbacks are proof.

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Harry has some pretty large problems with it....

    by Nick

    but by all means you should all go out and check out A Serbian Film

  • Nov. 28, 2011, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Movie was very good.

    by versatol

    It's good that kids can be introduced to the Muppets I grew up with. It wasn't as good as the Muppet Movie but it beats the other post Henson films. I wish there was more Gonzo though

  • Nov. 29, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST

    It's not easy being a green sell out

    by A_Friend

    And yet he luuuuuuved Green Lantern. Disney should have sent him a buttload of gifts beforehand, WB-style.

  • Nov. 30, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST

    The trouble with revisiting old friends....

    by tvspace

    ... is that the reality of today will never measure up to our memories of yesterday. We have a romantic view of the films that touched us as children and young adults. The stark reality of of today's remake/update can never meet our expectations. Also, we cannot dismiss the magic of Jim Henson. Trying to recreate the lightning that existed with the original team simply doesn't work without him. I'm reminded of the last Indiana Jones film. I walked into the theater thinking I was going to be transported back to my late teens through the team I lovingly remembered in the first series. I walked out of that theater feeling as old as the people on the screen and I was angry with myself for being duped into thinking I could go back in time. The point? Despite everyone's best intentions it is nearly impossible to recapture that lightning in the bottle. Too many things change. The cinematographer dies. The writers retire. The director's perceptions have evolved over the years. It all adds up to a project that is guaranteed to disappoint. I've witnessed Hollywood rape too many of my childhood dreams in search of a green payday. It's not easy being green decades after-the-fact. Combine that with Henson's loss and you have to go in expecting disappointment.

  • Nov. 30, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Harry's Phantom Menace review, just for kicks:

    by ahughes8491

    Right now... I’m at a loss of words. But I will try to voice some for you. Some spoilers may slip out over the course of this review, and I want to give you fair warning because quite frankly, I’m not able to be responsible for what I may type below because.... I currently have so much more to say than I can type in a night or two about this film. Consider yourself warned. You’ve been reading about my experiences leading up to this night for the last three and a half years. The anticipation, the hopes, the dreams, the terror... Could it live up to the mythology that I created in my mind around the films I grew up with? What am I going to write about this film now that I’ve seen it? Today and tonight while I waited in that monstrosity of a line, I had a fear.... A gigantic fear named JAR JAR BINKS. I’ve been terrified of this character since that night in Claridges in London back in August of last year when I read the script. I felt that he was very much an Alien Jerry Lewis clone, and that scared me to death. After all, what the hell is Jerry Lewis doing as the third main character in a Star Wars movie, right? When I read Moriarty’s review of THE PHANTOM MENACE, it scared me. You see, among all the people I knew that had read that script, only Moriarty and I agreed on Jar Jar. We liked him. But when Moriarty ‘had problems’ with him.... Well... ya know, I got scared. I began hedging my bets on whether or not I’d love this movie. Jar Jar was more evil and scary to me than Jaws, Linda Blair, that evil clown doll from Poltergeist, the carpet from THE SHINING and all of THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT. Jar Jar began representing the Otis (from Superman) of this new Star Wars film. But.... Guess what? Mesa Luved Him! When I first read Jar Jar’s scenes I was terrified because.... well whenever Jar Jar did something, I imagined the solitary focus being upon Jar Jar. That is not the case. There are other people, creatures, things going on at the same time. Not only that... But, I saw something in Jar Jar today that... well, I didn’t expect to see. The Gungans are a warrior based community, but ya know what? Jar Jar is a hippie. He doesn’t want to go to war. He doesn’t want to fight. He’s an awkward fella that probably wanted to be an artist or an actor, but was raised to believe he was a warrior. When he realized that... he started subconciously screwing up, trying to call attention to himself... or to be banned from his people so he could... Live the life of an independent soul. But lo and behold, he ends up being drafted into service by his customs and traditions to be dragged all over the galaxy by a pair of Jedi. This isn’t what he wants to do in life, but it is the path he is set upon. What’s bizarre though is that I saw a parallel between Jar Jar and Much, The Miller’s Son from THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD. Herbert Mundin, like Jar Jar, was saved then owed a life debt to Robin Hood. Then he is extremely goofy, not exactly funny, but he’s a goof. At the big fight at the end of the film.... Well, he’s clumsy and a bit stupid, but... he helps save the day, also like Planchet from THE THREE MUSKETEERS. In a way, I was a bit reminded of Jackie Chan’s battlefield antics, but as if it were Buster Keaton trapped out there, who’s dumb luck just manages to save him and make him a hero. Kinda like Chaplin in THE GREAT DICTATOR. I can’t believe I liked Jar Jar, don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe he’s the Best thing in the film.... far from it, but for some ghastly reason... I like the guy. But ya know... That’s just part of the film, a very small part. In a lot of ways, my brain is frazzled. I sat in that theater with a goofy smile on my face and my eyes and brain trying as hard as I could not to miss anything. When I read the script, I told people I know that the movie could go either way. This is the way I wanted that script to go. There was a lot of interesting tidbits cut out like Bail Organa’s supporting of Queen Amidala’s vote of no-confidence, and the moments where General Zod discusses the betrayl with Palpatine. There was the naming of C3PO scene gone. The point where Anakin tells Padme that he will marry her. (a scene that sent chills through me in the script, but that I could see being awful if it wasn’t performed just right.) Originally Jar Jar was to pilot the Bongo, Jar Jar had a scene where his butt caught on fire, and... his hi-jinks were much much more in the 3rd draft. By the way, I really dug Anakin too. For me, he was just a normal enthusiastic kid, which.... for me is terrifying because... Quite frankly it means any of us could become Darth Vader. This isn’t PECK’S BAD BOY, this is Andy Hardy going to the Dark Side! This kid represents Hitler as a child. Did Hitler run around stomping bugs, kicking dogs, soaking cats in gasoline and setting them ablaze.... Or did he draw and play? Well.... Anakin builds things, races and has a group of friends. He’s.... ultra-normal in a human sense. And I like that. And... There was always just a taste of Darth Maul. Something that I’m willing to bet disappoints a lot of Star Wars fans. But for me, there is a reason for Darth Maul’s brief time in the Star Wars universe. You see. He’s been training and training and training forever. Being conditioned to kill Jedi, but... he’s never once done it. He’s like a gun that has never been fired, never really having been tested. When he’s been given the mission to kill these two Jedi, it’s kinda like the first search and kill mission that a Green Beret goes on. He might be so eager for first blood that when he gets it.... He gets a bit too cocky. Everybody has always invested too much with Darth Maul, for me, he’s there to make Darth Vader look WAY cooler. Maul was a single minded pit bull, Darth Vader was the dark lord of the Sith.... If you build Maul to be waaaay too cool, then you take away from Vader. Maul served his purpose, he’s here to tell us.... “Dude, the clone wars are gonna be cool!” but not much else. Also, he’s there to make Obi Wan look like an utter badass, eh? I mean, come on... Ewan is like sooooo cool in this movie. I loved him. He is definately my favorite character of the film. Palpatine was fantastic. Sure, he’s there just a tidbit, but like Vincent Price’s Cardinal Richelieu in the old Gene Kelly THE THREE MUSKETEERS... wow.... He’s played with a thick foam of slyness, the fox, and man.... When he pats ol Anakin on the shoulder and says he’ll be following his career with much interest. Chills man. Total chills. As for characters like Ric Ollie and Captain Panaka... They are just set dressing. They don’t necessarily add or take away for me. They just exist here. I can’t wait to see this movie with a gaggle of kids some morning. This film does alot of utterly fantastic things, but there is a lot of room for improvement. Lucas’ characters need a bit more depth, but you know what... I feel a bit like Emperor Joseph II telling Mozart, to take out a few notes and it’ll be perfect. I am so sated by this first viewing that.... I’m pleased as punch. Relieved as can be. I’m a happy camper. After the film, it was 2:30am. Everyone and their brother filed out into the lobby and everyone began talking about the film. Some people, notably the guys wearing Darth Maul make up seemed let down. While others wore smiles etched into their faces. Others left, working their ways home where they could gather their thoughts and process exactly whatever it was that they had just seen. Me.... and my friends. We talked about the film till 6a.m. alongside the theater. I was quiet mainly. Listening to what people loved and hated about the film. People seem split on Anakin, some feel the Gungans are worse than Ewoks, others love them. Everyone wanted Darth Maul to kill 70 people (except for me) and people wanted less goofy stuff. Most everyone in the group that stuck around had a blast with the film, but had nitpicks here and there. Some in the group had no idea what they thought. They had steered clear of spoilers, had utterly no idea what to expect, and.... they had sooooo much to process that they were left with statements like, “I loved it when the light saber was stabbed in that door!” and “Ya know... Jar Jar wasn’t as bad as I thought, but he still sucked!” Where does this film stand against the earlier films. I’ll really be able to answer that in a year. After I’ve seen the film 20 times. And even though I knew just about everything that was going to happen.... I didn’t once the film started. I just let the movie take me. And it did. Now.... Now I’m left with the thoughts that about the next films. I’m not real sure of the importance of Naboo, but I’m willing to be that we’ll see a lot of damage here. Jar Jar and his people may not be around too long. His life debt has been payed, and he’s no longer tied to anyone. Will Darth Sidious take another apprentice before Vader.... Is Sidious the Emperor? Sure the next film will be romantic, but there is also a war waging. My god, I’m trapped in this. I’m so utterly love smitten. I was afraid tonight. Instead, I saw a really wonderful adventure. A fairy tale that told of a galaxy far far away. I guess I’m still a kid, because when I came home this morning... I didn’t update, I didn’t even go online. I just played with my toys. Holding them, and trying to figure out what their place in things were. I don’t know about you, but the whole Jedi Council pan at the end of the film.... Had a lot of forboding attached to it. And right now, I want to apoligize to the folks that hate this movie. I don’t. I genuinely loved it. Yes, I’m a STAR WARS fan. Yes, I overlooked the hilarity, which while I enjoyed it, I hope that it gets toned down to almost nothing in the coming films. I could feel the people in the room disliking elements of this movie. Afterwards I heard some people talking about a movie that was just a big fight between Darth Maul and Boba Fett and... I realized how that is what a lot of us have become. Why waste time with characters like C3PO, JAR JAR, WATTO, etc... Let’s just get to the meat. No veggies please. I want dramatics with the characters that interest ME! I don’t want all this silly stuff, I want three dimensional characters! That’s why you’re gonna love THE LORD OF THE RINGS that Peter Jackson is working on. Every complaint that STAR WARS fans have with this film, is not in Peter’s film. Peter is a fan, like us, that wants to take things to the next level, and ultimately... George is still at the same level he was at before. He’s still making popcorn confection like nothing you’ve ever eaten. It’s like the best bowl of Frosted Flakes that you have ever eaten. When you put in the bananas, added some sugar and.... you know what... You ate the whole box while watching your favorite Saturday Morning Cartoons (Scooby Doo, Space Ghost, Dungeons & Dragons, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, Blue Falcon, etc). Sure he tells us that he’ll bring us a fine wine with an excellent banquet, but this time he just skipped to dessert. Will we get our meat and potatoes? Will we open up a fine Merlot? Will the story deepen? I’m willing to bet it will. I enjoyed this serving of Flintstones Vitamins. I’m going to see this film alot. But now, more than ever, I’m dying to see LORD OF THE RINGS. And... I’m dying to see this one.... again. It’s Star Wars. And I love it. No excuses, that’s just the way it is. Go.... Have fun.... be a kid again....

  • Nov. 30, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST

    read the TB after harry's phantom review:

    by ahughes8491

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/3624: hilarious, hilarious stuff. "Iwas lucky enough to be one of the first people in America to see EP1 when I saw the 12:01 E.T show. I have to admit. It was fucking phenomanal. Utter disbelief when I try to take in all that was on screen."

  • I was excited to see this after seeing great reviews - but this one just didn't seem to have the Muppet Magic. It had it for fleeting moments (gonzo is still great, though much under used!) This movie made me want to go back an watch Muppet Christmas Carol, for some reason.

  • ...those who knock that movie just don't know a good thing when they see it!

  • Dec. 5, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Apologies to Harry. He was right. Movie had no magic.

    by wierdo27

    I didn't like Super 8, either. If either of those movies had been released in the original decade they were referencing, they'd have been judged properly, and not with these rose colored glasses that have gripped the nation. It's as though movies nowadays lack so much magic, that when we go back to a property that once had true magic, we forgive it and pretend that it is the real deal, when it's not. Remember that little place you used to go to that had the Best burgers and those curly fries that you went back to last week and tasted awful but you didn't want to admit it because you didn't want to betray all the awesome memories you had there as a kid? THAT is the Muppet movie.

  • Dec. 5, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    OMG knowles phantom menace review...

    by knowthyself

    WOW...just WOW. This is the legacy he leaves behind...that awful review is everything that's wrong with his taste in films.

  • Dec. 5, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Kermit was Tobey Maguire-ized

    by Chris Owens

    I didn't like Kermit either. It was like watching Tobey Maguire's take on Spiderman, ie, a lamed down pussy version of the character I remember growing up. Both characters mumbled and seemed pathetic.

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Hugo was advertised on this site......

    by ecto-cooler

    .....and not the Muppets. Which movie got a better review by him? However, which movie made money and NOT Hugo............ The Muppets!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Why do so many of the posts on this one...

    by Gremlin517

    sound like they were working for Disney--you guys, really seem to be taking Harry's review oddly personally... I mean really accusing Harry of not liking this because Disney didn't give him free shit?

  • ghjghk

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Both Hugo AND The Muppets...

    by jbinminot

    ...were WAY overrated. Hugo was a complete bore for the first two-thirds. The Muppets focused TOO much on the humans.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Just saw the Muppets and...

    by Splinter76

    I'm convinced I'll never pay attention to what lard-ass ever says about a movie EVER again. His gripes with this movie are total bull. But hey... he's got Hugo to cum all over. So he's happy. So... no more giving a crap what Harry says about a movie ever again because I'm convinced that he's a complete hack and a jaded moron.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Not sure what movie you were watching, but it wasn't The Muppets

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    You couldn't be more wrong about the theme of the movie. The them, as with almost every Muppet project, is friendship and that you are not who others say you are, but who you believe you are. You see, the idea of the the movie was that they were all working so hard to win back the name and concept of "The Muppets", raising money, forcing a celebrity to be host, looking for validation of who and what they are through every means- except from themselves. They didn't make it. They lost the name... but they still won. Because Kermit helped them realize it is what you think of yourself is what matters. No one can say "okay, you are The Muppets because of this contract" just like no one can say "You are someone because of _____". You are who you think and believe you are. No one else's opinion matters. As for Walter, he was living a lie his whole life. Even going so far as to dress like his human counterpart. He was shoehorned into a life with his brother and his brother's girlfriend. He blossomed and finally admitted who and what he was and was accepted as such by the other Muppets. If you didn't like this movie you are stupid.

  • Dec. 10, 2011, 10:19 p.m. CST

    @emperor_was_a_jerk - you are stupid for saying that.

    by wierdo27

    I'm happy for you that you loved it, great, good for you. Didn't do it for me. So, yeah, chillax.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I thought Muppets was "OK"

    by DanSh1138

    Saw this with my gf, we both grew up watching the Muppet Show and saw the original movies...also saw the travelling Jim Henson show in Chicago last year, if that ever gets around to a museum near you then highly recommend you all go.. Jim Henson was truly a phenomenal talent beyond just being writer/puppeteer/performer. We both didn't really have huge expectations going in, which is not to say we weren't expecting to enjoy the movie, but neither of us are rabid Muppet maniacs or anything like that. Having said all that, setup was interesting, the first song was goofy/cute and just sly enough to let the audience know they were in on the joke.. which reminded me of the whole original Muppet vibe from the original TV show and movies... after that, for me it just became grating and awkward. As I said, I had no expectations going in, but if there was one thing if you'd ask me that I DID NOT expect was a bunch of grating Jason Segel musical numbers. I don't get the Hollywood hype that he's the new cinematic "everyman". If our culture has turned into a bunch of chubby, soft, nebbishy douchebags then maybe that's correct and if I'm going to see a movie expecting to laugh at someone, I get it. But his musical performances were just painful to watch for me and completely took me out of the movie. The most ironic moment for me was seeing Neil Patrick Harris in the call in box saying "Yeah I dont know why they didnt call me for this either" because if the movie hinged upon actors who could perform believably in musical context, they could have/should have hired someone with that type of experience.. and no, a movie about vampire puppets doesn't really qualify for me. And yeah, I know Segel wrote the script and is a huge muppet fan..who gives a shit. He sucked. If he was such a huge muppet fan he should have just voiced Walter. By the time he started singing "Am I a man or am I a muppet?" I wanted to jam popcorn into my ears. What worked about the earlier stuff, is when you went to see a muppet movie or turned on the muppet show, you got to see %*(#@ muppets.. they were the stars, the live action actors were the "straight men" that played off them. What kept taking me out of this movie was the fact that Segel/Adams were the stars, and the muppets kind of happened around them. To me that was the biggest disconnect for this movie. If you go see a movie and it's called "The Muppets" it should be wall to wall Muppets, 100% muppet musical numbers with live action cameos, etc. Not the Jason Segel show guest starring Kermit the Frog and the muppets. Not a total failure of a movie, but not the resounding success and love story to the muppets that the Hollywood press would like us to believe.

  • Dec. 11, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    All you EVER have to know while reading a Knowles review...

    by matthooper8

    Mesa Luved Him!

  • Dec. 17, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Can you say..

    by Sicuv Uyall

    Out of touch?

  • Dec. 28, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    At least Harry was right about TPM....

    by ZodNotGod

    But totally wrong about THe Muppets. What a complete joy! Love it long time. So darn fun and touching.

  • Jan. 11, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    I think you missed the point, Harry

    by Kremzeek

    As far as "something not being right" like Kermit in a mansion, etc. Here's the thing: Kermit doesn't live in a mansion. The CHARACTER of Kermit does. Like most Muppet movies before it, what's happening onscreen is not really happening to the Muppets themselves. They are fully aware they are making a movie. This has been a staple of all the classic Muppet films, and it continues here. You have to assume that Kermit, et al are REAL. They are actors living in Hollywood. So, Kermit the Frog plays a character named "Kermit the Frog" in the films, but that's not the real Kermit. It's a parody of himself. Look at the Jack Black cameo for instance. Do you think the "real" Jack Black was hanging out with Animal in a rehab garden? No. That's Jack Black the actor playing a caricature of himself. It's the same with the Muppets. Do you think they were really reporters in the Caper? No, they were Fozzy and Kermit playing reporters named Fozzy and Kermit - and they break the fourth wall to that effect many times. Same with Manhattan (were they really starving college students? No, they were making a movie about starving college students). And so and so forth. As far as the Muppet movements and things... I actually thought it was superb. A lot of the movies after Henson died have that weird... something is Off vibe - I agree. But I didn't get that from this film at all. Those puppeteers finally have it right (at least as close as they'll ever get without Jim). Guess you're right, Harry. You're the odd man out on this one I think. I'm not a fan of Segal and I still loved it. Glad the Muppets are BACK!!

  • Jan. 15, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Nice page title

    by RainesMaker

    Talking in the 3rd and 1st person in the same sentence.... fantastic, fantastic.

  • Jan. 20, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I agree completely with Harry!

    by Joe

    i do agree with Harry on EVERY point he made about the muppet movie. The story of "am I a Muppet or a Man" (shortened) was a plot that was not explored fully. Every muppet seemed to need their 5 minutes in the camera. Piggy came off like a huge bitch to Kermit. That's not her style, never was. And while the overall film is 'entertaining' like Harry, I too did not feel the "OMG'-ness about it. just didn't. My wife loved it, but i think she too feels that it could've been better. Who knows maybe they'll make another muppet movie and it WILL be better. This one was 'ok', 'good', 'not bad' even. but I also wouldn't call it "OMFG SPECTACULAR"! Thanks,

  • Feb. 4, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    "Buttholes

    by Barnald

    are fer every ones who has 'em. like oPinons.gotta love that somethin' special" -harry knowles

  • March 18, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Meh

    by Mastidon

    OK, so Harry's review is almost 4 months old at this point. I read it when he first posted it but hadn't seen the movie until 10 minutes ago. Harry and I are about the same age and The Muppets have had a huge impact on our childhood. I so much wanted to love this movie. I did my best to ignore the blatant adds for other Disney properties like PIXAR. I tried to let my 8 year old kid to come out and at times I was smiling remembering shades of past greatness - Alice Cooper singing SCHOOL'S OUT with The Muppets will always be in my mind. However, as a whole, this simply did not work and I find myself realizing that the world has moved past The Muppets is really the case and that is the point of the story. As long as Jim is dead, so are The Muppets.

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