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Herc’s Last Friday TV Talkback Of Sweeps!! Discuss November’s Final FRINGE, GRIMM, CHUCK, GIFTED MAN, SUPERNATURAL, BLOODS, NIKITA, KITCHEN NIGHTMARES And More!!
Tonight brings the last new "Fringe" until Jan. 13:
Fridays, Sept. 9-Nov. 11, 2011
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; previous weeks in parentheses)
1.7 (2.1) (---) (1.7) (1.8) (1.9) (1.8) (2.0) (0.9) (0.8) Blue Bloods
1.7 (1.6) (1.4) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (0.8) (0.7) CSI NY
1.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) College Basketball
1.6 (1.6) (1.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Gold Rush
1.6 (1.8) (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Grimm
1.6 (1.5) (---) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) (1.7) (1.6) (1.0) (0.9) Kitchen Nightmares
1.4 (1.2) (1.3) (1.0) (1.5) (1.4) (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.8) Dateline
1.2 (1.2) (1.0) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.4) (---) (---) A Gifted Man
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) (2.0) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (1.0) (1.2) (1.0) 20/20
1.1 (1.3) (---) (0.5) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (1.5) (0.6) (0.6) Fringe
1.0 (1.0) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (1.0) (0.9) (1.1) (0.7) (1.0) WWE Smackdown
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Chuck
0.8 (0.7) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Flying Wild Alaska
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Geek Charming
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Kung Fu Panda
0.8 (0.8) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (0.3) Supernatural
0.7 (0.6) (0.5) (0.8) (0.8) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.7) (---) American Restoration
0.7 (1.3) (1.0) (1.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Extreme MHE
0.7 (0.6) (---) (0.7) (0.5) (0.5) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) Phineas & Ferb
0.6 (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) House of Payne
0.6 (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (---) (0.3) Nikita
0.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) DC Cupcakes
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) Diners, Drive-Ins
0.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Green Lantern
0.5 (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Hairy Bikers
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Meet The Browns
0.5 (---) (0.5) (---) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (---) Star Wars: Clone Wars
0.5 (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (---) (0.4) (---) (---) (0.6) Thundercats
0.4 (---) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (---) (0.4) (---) (---) Ghost Adventures
0.4 (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) Sanctuary
0.4 (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) Say Yes To The Dress
0.3 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Crave
Readers Talkback
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Grimm has been Doing Better Than Expected. So is There A Good Reason for This?
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But to be honest This Season has for the most part Bored me. SIGH
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It's still hovering in the 1.2 range. A number that Fox has said they're fine with. Does that mean it will go on for another 3 or 4 seasons? No, but I think they will be given time to wrap things up.
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Yeah, I dig Grimm. The writing is really cool!
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as because of the baseball the intended mid-season cliffhanger was bumped to next year. Most likely this'll just be a standalone sort of story. And what is it with you Americans? No one watches TV in December?
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no idea what a biff cliffhanger is. Likely something to do with Back to the Future
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fuck
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I'm unsure if I'lll be watching when it returns. It's run its course. It's clear the writers have no idea what to do next and Joshua and John already have other projects going.
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Fringe is not Lost. I believe the writers know exactly where they are going. Also, there are a plethora of possibilities based upon everything they have introduced so far.
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And to be honest, if they go all out and give us some bigness... I'm okay with that. Just don't go out on a whimper. It's been so good.
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Its usually crap though, as the networks never program anything decent for god knows why. This sucks for me because I torrent all my shows and watch them during my daily commute, so december is a looooong month for me.
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December is hell for those who rely on TV to get them through tedium. For me it's the workouts and the long doctor's office waiting room hours. (not for me, I'm alright) Thank goodness for my netbook and decent battery life. AND torrent networks. Especially private ones. Torrents... DVR... pretty much the same. Especially if you pay for cable/sat anyway. I just find torrents easier for some things, like schedule conflicts when others in the house want to watch a third program on a certain night and when your provider doesn't carry certain networks in HD. (what year is this? 2008??) Only one I feel guilty about is Dexter. I only pay for HBO. These days, HBO go is fine for anything I don't catch with the DVR. But I just can't pay the extra for Showtime. Wish I could. At least I finally got AMC in HD. That took forever and was inexcusable. Breaking Bad in blurry SD? Damned right I torrented it.
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I'd like to know.
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Nov. 18, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST
Ackles and Padalecki are signed for 1 more year of Supernatural
by Mahaloth
So I expect season 8 to be it.
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Nov. 18, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST
The hell with "Fringe." Watch tonight's "Young Justice!"
by Peter David
6:30 PM Eastern, Cartoon Network. I wrote it. Check it out. PAD
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Nov. 18, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST
We yanks only watch lame-ass Christmas specials in December, they all have the same damn plot - "Well, it looks like no Christmas this year..." (Sound of jingle bells) "...But wait!"
by mdk
Then starting Christmas Eve, we watch A Christmas Story for 24 hours straight, that or the Yule Log loop if one doesn't have a fireplace. What do you Brits do?
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has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet -- you're totally right... I hate the holiday episodes of my shows, especially the comedies... Holiday episodes never further the ongoing arcs and just seem gimmicky. Although last week's Supernatural is an exception... they did the 'wedding episode' and it was hilarious... i'll tell ya, when those supernatural writers want to be funny, they're hilarious... one of the funniest episodes of TV I've ever seen was the supernatural episode where they play the actors who play their roles in the TV show about them...
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Love Young Justice, great artwork, intelligently told tales. I will be watching tonight to see how your writing stacks up. I'm sure it will be great. Tonight is also the last episode of Brave and the Bold. Sad to see that go. It was a dream- come-true series highlighting, it seems, all of the DC characters from the Silver Age. Wildly entertaining stuff.
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Yeah, I'm gonna miss that, too. What a great series. I even liked their over-the-top portrayal of Aquaman (I loved when he and the Aqua-family were on a road trip and the Atom bangs up against his windshield, fighting someone, and Aquaman just knocks them aside with the windshield wiper. Kind of put the Atom's adventures in perspective.) PAD
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For fans of the genre, there's not a ton of other stuff to watch, so.... but as far as the show, it has potential. I like where the mythology and backstory are going and the conspiracy stuff is somewhat intriguing. The dialogue and writing needs to improve and is the biggest problem with the show. It's just ok. I like the supporting actors on the show quite a bit... the sidekick cop and the helpful blutbag. The main guy is likeable but fairly cardboard as far as acting, but I think like the rest of the show he's also got some potential. I can see this show either getting really good or god awful depending on how the writing develops. I had thought it would probably get cancelled quick but it seems lucky it's on fridays because looks like it's doing well enough in the ratings to get a real chance to see what it develops into. There's not a lot else on Fridays so I will probably keep giving it a chance.
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Nov. 18, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST
I hate to say it, but I agree Fringe needs to get one more season to wrap things up and be done. They do seem lost and it does not have the same spark of the first few seasons.
by HarrysNemesis
The extreme plot arcs have not really translated into 'wow' moments for me overall the last couple of seasons and the characters keep changing makes it hard to really connect to them in the same way as the first few seasons as well. I liked where the characters from the pre-split universes were heading together as a group and feel they had just hit their stride when the alternate universe versions of themselves came in and start distracting from all they had built. Keep the twists, but keep the characters too. Let them grow, don't completely change their motivations and personalities every season with new alternate versions. It is TIRING.
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Am I the only one that stacks Fall TV that I don't have a chance to get to? I've got Burn Notice from August that I Tivo'd and is sitting on my PC, waiting for the December doldrums. CASTLE too.
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The wife and I are both pretty "meh" about it these days. Unless the end of the season blows me away utterly, this is probably the last season I'll watch, renewed or not.
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Fringe was originally a show about an female FBI agent who confronted the unknown with the help of her two assistants. Now, the series is about the two assistants and how the FBI agent does their legwork. The best Fringe was season one and the beginning of season three, why, because then it was about Olivia. What happened to the vast conspiracies and mystery. Now it's just Jackson and Noble hamming it up and the mad scientist of the week. If they wanted to save this series, they should put the focus back on Olivia where it belongs.
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R.I.P. Brave & The Bold.
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There's nothing spectacular going on really.
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Chuck is not available online or On Demand. Screw you, NBC! You put it on Friday, when nobody is home, and then don't allow other means for people to see it. Screw you, NBC!
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Nov. 18, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
Intersect Morgan Grimes is stupid. Way to ruin the end of Chuck.
by jimbojones123
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Nov. 18, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
Intersect Morgan Grimes is stupid. Way to ruin the end of Chuck.
by jimbojones123
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Nov. 18, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
Intersect Morgan Grimes is stupid. Way to ruin the end of Chuck.
by jimbojones123
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Nov. 18, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
Intersect Morgan Grimes is stupid. Way to ruin the end of Chuck.
by jimbojones123
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Young Justice has been consistently great, glad to hear you're a part of it. Have you written more than the one episode? Any chance you'll do some writing for the Avengers series? I know they're wrapped on season 2 but it would be nice to see more Hulk-centric episodes in season 3...
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Nov. 18, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST
Since I don't have to pay for it (directly), I will watch tonight's Young Justice
by Jaka
Set a recording even so I won't miss it.
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She was talking with her crackly voice for some reason.
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I only sorta half-heard Ralph's theory about what's up with this Peter that has returned. Something about him being Peter from this universe. Doesn't sound plausible, but I only caught half of what he said.
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Last week's opener was really good...and I appreciate that they didn't do an origin story to start it off.
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great first ep.
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Nov. 18, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST
I'm not one of the cool kids... I actually LIKE Fringe... A LOT
by BrannigansLaw
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Have you watched the show? 1) Morgan got a trojan horse version of the Intersect that turned him evil 2) The preview for tonight makes it pretty clear he has it removed.
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Yes. I have a second episode this season, and I've written two more for next season. PAD
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The intersect erased all of Morgan's Star Wars knowledge, so Chuck gives him all the movies and tells him to watch A New Hope first. Then after Chuck leaves, Casey tells Morgan that Phantom Menace is the best and everyone loves that movie the best, thus forever sabotaging Morgan's "first time" Star Wars experience ;)
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Nov. 18, 2011, 7:42 p.m. CST
As a Fringe fan, I can admit that they could end the series this season
by mongo126
First season was an intro to the Fringeverse, second season was the revelaing of the alternate universe, and the third was the battle between the universes. I'm sure there's some grand plan, but the "Where's Peter" and now the "Who's this guy" thing is played. I know it's neat to play with the changed paths of Olivia, Walter, etc, but the original dynamic was a huge part of the show. Find out what happened with the machine, fix it, and wrap it up.
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A big +1 to the first show. Love the writing, but still digesting the animation style. I still miss Justice League/Unlimited though. Best superhero show ever.
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Great way to end the series, and a slight swipe at all those who hated on it over the course of its run.
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I don't need to see a third version of the same characters. The preview for the 2nd half of the season looks promising, though.
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Who's writing this shit now? What's with the weak ass bottom of the barrel double entendres? That unbelievably bush league photo shop sequence? Yeah Bobby's heart to heart with Dean in the van was great, as well as the guy they've got playing Dick Roman, but man those bright spots are really encased in crap. Also, whoever approved the shitty cg Leviathan reveal is an idiot.
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right down to the aesthetics. This show used to be dark, dirty and gritty, you could tell the lighting guy took pride in his work. Now it's bright, colorful, and lit like a hospital ER. And the wacky organ music that used to only play on the tongue-in-cheek episodes now plays throughout every episode. Season 6 had it's issues, but at least there was still a sense of gravitas maintained and the spirit of the show kept alive. IMO they really messed up by chickening out on the 'Cass as God' angle. This whole season should have been them dealing with that situation, rather than that situation Deus-Ex-Machina-ing (Cass-Ex-Machina?) itself to resolution in the season premiere.
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I think the Cass-is-Gpd angle would have been far more interesting than this Leviathan thing. As for "Fringe". I gave up after the previous weeks episode. This mushy universe we're in makes it hard to discern what happened in the past seasons from what didn't. Obviously nothing involving William Bell in his later years happened and Walter is not the owner of Massive Dynamics. Also no cow in the lab. Yet the replicants were in the timeline, as was the alternate Olivia; yet it is unclear if our Olivia was in the alternate world. So it's a confusing jumble... like trying to figure out something you know well but having pieces missing that you may not know are missing until you stumble upon them missing!. The more I write about "Fringe" the more I am realizing that "Supernatural" isn;t all that bad this season!!
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Nov. 18, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST
Fringe was pretty solid tonite...but expected more of a cliffhanger.
by Cheif Brody
Introducing Nina Sharp's creepy nocturnal surveillence crew...spying on Olivia was pretty cool...but I wanted an Observer close...looks like I gotta wait til December for that. <p> Now we gotta watch love blossom between Olivia & Agent Lee this season? Dear God...I knew that was coming and now that it's arrived I'm even LESS enthused. Love triangles suck the life out of any show for me. But, from the promos, looks like Fauxlivia takes an interest in Peter right off the bat...so hopefully it'll be a love square soon. <p> Speaking of which...Ever think that Peter was removed from the current timeline by someone in the FUTURE...trying to prevent Baby Henry from ever being born...ala Terminator? Perhaps THEY had a hand in burying all the components of the Machine all over the place exactly to insure Peter would be erased from exsistence...but the Observers are trying to keep that scenario from happening? <p> Is Baby Henry...John Connor?
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Last week was Stephen Root trying to use quantum physics to prolong the time he had with his Alzhiemer's inflicted wife...and this week was The Invisible Man trying to become visible long enough to get up the courage to speak to Elevator Girl. <p> Think the writers are getting mushy this season? Last week Peter was trying to let Olivia know they use to be an item...but balked...this week Olivia was trying to reach out to Lincoln, but got sidetracked by sleeping gas. Was kinda hopin Astrid would finally get to hook up with someone this season...I mean, why does Olivia get to have all the fun. Season 4 is all about the unrequited love, I guess. <p> But...Fringe doesn't seem to have the "Bomb Under The Table" tension from previous seasons. Pausing to smell the roses seems risky, considering the low ratings. Hope they are allowed to ramp up the Doomsday Device again before FOX pulls the rug out from under them. <p> Anyone else have a LOST Farraday/Elenor flashback when Walter busted out the rat maze to prove his point?
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It's when I can finally catch up on all the shows clogging up my DVR. Plus all the on demand content I want to get to.
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Lyndsy Fonseca pole dancing, Melinda Clarke torturing a guy w/ a hammer and a brain surgery needle while wearing a tight dress, plus the usual Maggie Q stripping down to her underwear scene. Good times.
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Nov. 19, 2011, 3:18 a.m. CST
What the shit? Wasn't there a bunch of other articles just a little bit ago?
by Jaka
Dexter season 7 and 8? I made two comments on it, but now the article and my comments are gone (it show up if you site search Dexter). Now I'm noticing some other stuff is gone, too. Like the Pan Am cancellation post. Weird, maaaan. Weird.
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There are still some pretty well written, well acted scenes, and a few good ideas, but man, they made a few very bad decisions. The Leviathans, who were supposed to be Lovecrafian monsters (so much that they featured Lovecraft) are now just took the place of demons. Instead of possessing people, they eat them and take their place, taking over companies and such. Been there, done that. What is infuriating, that they had perfectly good post apocalyptic baddies lined up in the form of the Gods of the older mythologies, who seemed more than ready to step up and fill the power vacuum in season 5. Winchesters against Egyptian, Indian, Norse gods returning to the world, bringing all their monsters, would`ve been fun as hell. No need for the silly Leviathan CGI (SN always knew it`s limits with creatures, played by regular humans with some hints of otherwordly power like black eyes or shadow wings.) Even the fairies were more interesting in season 6 than these goddamn Leviathans.
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Nov. 19, 2011, 7 a.m. CST
By final Fringe does that mean the fucking thing wil be finally over or what?
by AsimovLives
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Nov. 19, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST
The super-lovely Lyndsy Fonseca is half-portuguese. Her name Fonseca is quite a clue to that, as it's a very common portuguese surname.
by AsimovLives
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It's the best version of the character ever.
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I've been a huge fan of the series for some time now, but lately it's been all over the place. Dean kills Jewel Staite's character even though Sam begs him not to and she doesn't seem to pose a further threat; a week later, he walks away from a couple of homicidal witches who continue to be a threat. I know the Leviathans are a work in progress, I get that...indeed, rewatching season 6 makes a lot more sense knowing where it wound up. Frankly, I have trouble believing that the Cas-as-God storyline was tossed aside simply because they had no idea where to go with it. There were PLENTY of directions they could have gone. It struck me more as a cost-cutting maneuver, trimming the budget. Let Misha Collins go completely; minimize the number of times that Jim Beaver shows up. I don't know that of a certainty; I've no inside information. But I've seen similar things happen on other shows where I DID know that budgets were cut that it has the same sort of feel to me. Nevertheless, there's now a Castiel-sized hole in the series that the Leviathans sure as hell haven't filled. It's very frustrating. PAD
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for any fans of Yvonne Strahovski, last night's episode was awesome. 29 minutes in, white shorts, a visit from the camel, check. brown top 20 minutes later and a great bit of jiggle tv as she walks across the parking lot.
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This is just another facit of what's going on with the multiple universes. It's also a great way for the actors to showcase their talents in portraying their roles in another version. I really think that the ultimate solution to their problems will involve things on a multiple universe scale. So far this season they've been able to run this arc along with really good stand alone stories. I don't think they're lost at all.
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Alot of us here like fringe. We already know you don't and have this thing agaist JJ for bringing Star Trek Back from the grave. So why keep annoying folks here who like the show? When you do that and we already know your stand you become a troll. I mean it's not like you're going to change anything.
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Nov. 19, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST
The thing is, I never focus on where Fringe is 'GOING', just where it is
by Rebel Scumb
I think that might be why I enjoy it more than some. I just really don't care at all about the big picture/end game or answers with this show. I enjoy it for its episode of the week weirdness, and especially for Olivia and Walter who are great characters. Which is not to say that I don't like the bigger arc episodes, infact they're quite good, but I never catch myself speculating about 'what will happen next' or 'where is this all going?' for Fringe.
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Yvonne awesomeness aside, last night was a pretty damned good episode. I like how the Viper starts monologing to John Casey and he just shoots and kills everyone before she can even finish. Then the bit at the end with Morgan where he felt bad for ruining Star Wars, so he gives Morgan the original 3 Indiana Jones movies and lies to him that there is no 4th movie to protect him from watching it ;p
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Can't wait to see it, I love this show.
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Nov. 19, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST
Peter David is correct - Supernatural's budget has been cut.
by I_Love_LanaLang
And that includes the budget for hiring decent writers. I'm seeing a lot more minor actors/bit parts on the show, which is just how it was in its first season. They've also returned to the Monster of the Week formula from the first season with a bit of the Leviathan nonsense thrown into the mix. As poor as this season has been, it's STILL better than anything else on Friday night tv. Sad, but true.
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yeah i laughed hard on the casey screwing with morgan about the watch 1-3 first, then spoiling 4-6. and the indy, "there's only 3 of them."
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Nov. 19, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST
No one has mentioned The Gifted Man, my favorite new show...
by iontyre
so I will. BTW, it outdrew Fringe!
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Anyone catch this weeks soup? some hilarious stuff from joel, and Alison Brie appeared as well. I don't understand all the fringe ambivalence, it s a solid show, the quality of eps are above average. This ep was a good one. I'm hoping this will last another season. there's a woeful amount of good scifi on at the moment, why the hell would you want this cancelled? More reality shows? I'm kinda surprised by Peters attitude to Olivia and his dad, even if it isn't his Walter and Olivia. What if he can't get back? A gifted man, well im on autopilot with this one, the eps was bearable with all the supporting actors on go. Really his ghostly ex wife seems like a member of the support cast as well. Would anyone know the difference if she was alive? What's exactly her role here? If she passed over, would any of the viewing public actually notice/care? Boss, another solid episode, Mayor Kane seems to be full on with his illness. If it makes it to the 5th season is he just going to sit naked in his chair and no one bats an eyelid? Supernatural standard filler ep, really needs to get moving, get cas and Crowley.. and death (he's sorely under utilised) back into it.
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If they'd lose the bad CG face-morphs and actually put some effort into some practical FX. As it stands, it's the weakest of the shows I watch from Friday (Nikita, Fringe, Supernatural, Chuck), yet I still tune in.... for now.
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She was cute, chatty and a bit naughty when she appeared recently on Ferguson. Give her more screen time.
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Nov. 20, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST
"Alot of us here like fringe" Poor, poor you. But hey, it's not my fault, so don't blame me. i'm not going to appologise for stating the obvious! WTF!
by AsimovLives
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a very cool wrap up to a fun series. who ever thought we would see all of those characters on TV.
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Nov. 20, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST
Fringe isn't missing direction, its on a slow burn
by thedarklingthrush
Trust me, it looks justconfusing because none of the characters have any idea what's going on yet
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Nov. 20, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST
With Fringe,ever since the last 2 epsiodes of SEASON 3 ,and the first 5(?) of season 4-it sucks!!
by BILLY
I loved it, untill the end of season 3. The whole "UNIVERSES combine, Peter dissapears.sort of" story just sucks. Every now and then, there are things I appreciate within the show.And, I applaud the writers, showrunners for changing the premise(every season), so it's not formulaic.But, lately-this showed bored me.
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That's the problem with the last two seasons. We spent half of Season 3 in the alternate universe only to see them basically be ignored (until Jan). This year is even worse. We have a whole new Olivia, Walter, Ester etc with all different story lines and histories. The problem with that is we don't care because it's not OUR Olivia or our Walter. These stories that they are experiences are meaningless in the larger scale if they never experienced what the viewer watched for 2 seasons. I'm holding out that the Jan episode will fix this problem what with return of the observers.
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