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Herc’s Last Thursday TV Talkback Of Sweeps!! Discuss November’s Final BEAVIS, COMMUNITY, PARKS, OFFICE, GREY’S, BONES, INTEREST And More!!

I am – Hercules!!

After tonight, new episodes of every Thursday show are gone until at least December.

The big Thursday news this week was NBC issued a press release detailing its early 2012 plans – a release that made no mention of “Community” and “Prime Suspect.” “30 Rock” and “The Firm” will be filling their slots in the new year.

“Suspect” will suspend production after its 13th episode, but NBC has not reduced its full 3rd-season order for “Community,” so maybe it’ll be back soon if the new Chelsea Handler sitcom proves less successful than “Free Agents.”

After tonight, NBC will air two last 2011 episodes of “Community,” on Dec. 1 and Dec. 8. That’s pretty much how it works for “Parks and Recreation” and “The Office” (though “Parks” and “Office” will both be back in January).


What else? Oh! “Hawaii Five-0” got Terry O’Quinn, but tonight’s Bad Robot production of “Person of Interest” pits Charles Widmore against Ben Linus, sort of:

Thursdays, Sept. 15-Nov. 10, 2011
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; last week in parentheses)
5.3 (5.4) (4.6) (5.1) (4.6) (4.5) (4.9) (5.0) (2.5) Big Bang Theory
4.1 (3.6) (3.7) (3.6) (3.6) (3.1) (3.6) (4.3) (1.0) Grey’s Anatomy
3.5 (3.7) (3.3) (3.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rules of Engagement
3.3 (3.7) (---) (---) (3.7) (4.0) (3.9) (4.3) (---) The X Factor
3.0 (3.2) (2.9) (1.5) (3.3) (3.2) (3.5) (3.9) (1.4) The Office
2.8 (2.6) (2.4) (2.3) (2.3) (2.1) (2.8) (---) (---) Private Practice
2.6 (3.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (1.0) Bones
2.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NFLN Football
2.1 (2.1) (2.0) (1.1) (2.0) (2.3) (2.5) (3.3) (---) Whitney
2.0 (2.7) (2.7) (2.7) (2.8) (2.6) (2.7) (3.1) (---) Person of Interest
1.9 (2.9) (2.5) (2.5) (2.5) (2.7) (2.6) (2.8) (1.5) The Mentalist
1.8 (2.1) (1.8) (1.1) (2.1) (1.9) (2.1) (2.1) (---) Parks and Recreation
1.5 (1.7) (1.4) (0.9) (1.7) (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (0.6) Community
1.4 (1.6) (1.5) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (1.5) Vampire Diaries
1.3 (1.2) (1.1) (0.8) (1.3) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (---) Prime Suspect
1.1 (1.2) (---) (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (1.5) (2.1) (---) Charlie’s Angels
1.0 (1.1) (1.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Beavis and Butt-head
1.0 (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Burn Notice
1.0 (0.8) (0.7) (0.4) (0.6) (0.9) (1.0) (0.8) (---) College Football
0.8 (1.1) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (1.1) (1.3) (1.2) (1.4) It’s Always Sunny
0.8 (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (1.0) (0.9) (1.3) Secret Circle
0.7 (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) (0.4) (---) (---) After The First 48
0.7 (---) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) Children’s Hospital
0.7 (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.4) (0.6) (---) (0.6) (0.6) Daily Show
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Braxton Values
0.6 (0.6) (0.5) (0.8) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) Impact Wrestling
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Vietnam In HD
0.5 (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bordertown Laredo
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (---) Conan
0.4 (---) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Selling L.A.
0.3 (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (0.4) World’s Dumbest


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  • Nov. 17, 2011, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Fuck Community.

    by thedarklingthrush

    But I love NBC.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Fuck You!

    by la te ral us

    how anyone thinks the office, p & r, modern family, big wang theory, blah blah blah blah half as creative as community is beyond me.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Cancel Community and you cancel Sanity !

    by Keith Maniac

    Have i got to emigrate to America, obtain my citizenship, get a career, a house, a tv and one of those Nielsen box things in order to contribute to this shows longevity, cos i'll do it, you just see if i dont.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 4 a.m. CST

    Dean Pritchard is gonna go apeshit.

    by scrote

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Can't cancel community

    by korkie70

    Imaginevthe crap well get from chev chase once he's left this show. Like when Shatner went from Boston legal to Shit my dad says....(shiver). Also...John goodmans gotta eat

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST

    My hope for Community

    by adml_shake

    is that NBC cancels that shit tank of a show Whitney and puts it in their spot. How in the hell anyone who saw that pilot thought that it would be a good idea to put that on TV I don't know. I know they say it's filmed in front of a live studio audience, but I think they have to use that obvious laugh track because nobody bothers showing up.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST

    As long as they get to do a proper finale

    by theGoldbergV

    I'd be ok with it. Although Dan Harmon has said he has a 4 year plan and as this the 'dark year' I'd love them to get a season 4. On the plus side in the UK they finally released season 1 on DVD this week. Hopefully season 2 isn't far behind...

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    I Demand a spike in ratings. thedarklingthrush you're a cock sir.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    nothing for me on thursdays

    by palewook

    time to look forward to friday or catch up on sunday's leftovers.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:31 a.m. CST

    anything good on NBC tonight?

    by Timahh

    yes? Community at 8 oclock? It has only three episodes left? Okay, I'll watch that but nothing else and i sure as shit won't be clicking any of those links. NBC, you are dead to me until they're put back on the schedule and get again season 4. and 5. and 6. and a movie.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:40 a.m. CST

    NBC, Community... OR ELSE

    by Steven Carrita

    Fuck you otherwise

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:52 a.m. CST


    by F-18

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    TVs Much Lauded "Golden Era"? Dead.

    by Crow3711

    In my opinion. Came and went in less than a decade. What's left? And NBC...this community situation...for shame. How can you let Whitney continue to live? You have to know how terrible it is. Is that .2 bump in ratings worth selling out an actually creative and unique show with an actual fan base. Whitney might have slightly higher ratings....but no one cares about it. If you cancelled it, no one would care.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    nbc orders bryan fuller's Monsters script to pilot?

    by palewook not sure the monsters will get any ratings in today's TV world. willing to get it a chance though since i love fuller's work.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Bring back COMMUNITY with an INSPECTOR SPACETIME spinoff series

    by SpyGuy

    The question isn't why we need an INSPECTOR SPACETIME spinoff series but WHEN we need an INSPECTOR SPACETIME spinoff series.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Parks and Community are both GREAT

    by ImperialMarchFace

    Pair them with 30 Rock and Up All Night and it would be worth it. Unfortunately, The Office will not die. And I doubt it will anytime soon. But Parks and Community are both totally worth watching. Seriously if you're not into Parks & Rec I don't know what you like about TV.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Seriously Whitney is getting a 2+ rating.

    by Secretagentnumber6

    I would say what is wrong with the fuckers watching TV, but I cannot blame them. Nielsen is the most fucking antiquated system ever. All the networks need to wake up and realize that Nielsen is an antique with the expansion of broadband internet real time ratings could be adapted but no. We have to rely on the dumb as fuck Nielsen Family system. It is a dumbass way of measuring the success of a show. Why should someone else represent my TV watching, they shouldn't. Wake the fuck up networks.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Fuck thedarklingthrush

    by donkingkong

    But I love Community

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST

    The Office

    by Demagog_Dog

    has been incredibly lackluster this season. Andy as the boss does NOT work at all. And Stanley's new "shove it up your butt" catchphrase is retarded...

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Save Community!

    by dukeroberts

    I love it. I often rewatch it.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    The Office

    by the new transported man

    Yeah, it's definitely downhill. Hard to describe exactly how, but the writing's to blame. The show's always had wacky, outlandish bits & plots but I think they worked (usually) because Michael Scott was the provocateur. So you had a cast of relatively normal characters reacting to the cartoonish endeavors of Michael Scott or Dwight, & therein was the bulk of the humor. Now Michael Scott is gone, & the absurdity is everywhere; virtually all of the characters are caricatures. Also, I figure that the best writers have moved on, & pretty much all of the available plot points have been used. Marriages, affairs, pregnancies, firings, hirings, etc. There is nothing new under the sun. Just end this season with a Michael Scott wedding or the branch closure & be done with it.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Whitney Fans

    by CrazyGnome

    Don't seem to frequent this site. I haven't seen any defender's posts.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Fuck NBC!

    by Tony

    Give Community at least one more season to send it off properly..u bastards

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Beavis & Butthead has been gold so far

    by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head

    Looking forward to tonight. 10 pm is DVR hell for me, what with B&B, Sunny, and Burn Notice.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head

    That's because old housewives don't really do AICN

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Big Bang>Community all day everyday.

    by katchoo67

    Go cry me a river about your precious Community getting pulled. Big Bang is #1 so I don't have to worry. and where is Community? oh yes, unlucky 13.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST

    at katchoo67....

    by Quartermass-87

    ummm yep Big Bang is number 1 and we all know that all the best shows ever were ratings monster right (thats sarcasm in case you didn't pick it up). So trashing a show and telling others to cry you a river is silly....hmmm yep The Wire was a ratings monster and Breaking Bad and Mad Men and Deadwood....oh wait they weren't....but they sure do put overated shite like Bing Bang to shame.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Big Bang = silly, typical canned-applause network fluff

    by Stifler's Mom

    right at home on CBS. I'm not a huge Community fan but it's way better that that bullshit.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    A comment I've read about Big Bang Theory.

    by F-18

    I can't remember on which site I read it, but in the comment section of an article about the show, someone called it "nerd blackface".

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    thursday is the one night with nothing worth watching

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:44 p.m. CST

    TBBT - Nerd balckface? That's retarded.

    by hst666

    It's one thing if you don't like the show, but it seems like half the people complaining on here are offended by it's characters. GET OUT OF YOUR PARENT'S BASEMENT AND GET A LIFE. Community>>TBBT, but I still enjoy both.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Life's Too Short episode 2

    by DirkD13"

    Was hands down the funniest thing I've seen on television this year. I was a bit disappointed by episode 1 but tonight's ep was a classic piece of comedy television. Do you know who Michael Flatley is?

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST

    How do you become a Nielson house?

    by Andrew Coleman

    First off I don't even think those things are real. I don't believe in the math, I think it's all bull shit. But I watch Community fucking live when it's on. Give me a box and I'll represent 10,000 people or whatever it is. No way in this world do CBS shows pull in epic rating and Community doesn't.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Housewives of AICN

    by Truxton Spangler

    Actually, they do lurk here, and only emerge in the Justified talkbacks spewing jealous venom about that show's actresses. Speaking of which, Carla Gugino has been cast for next season of Justified...albeit not as Karen Sisco. Oh yeah, Andy sucks.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Best part of Big Bang Theory:

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Wil Wheaton.<p> Everything else is painful to watch. Absolutely awful.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Life's Too Short

    by rakesh patel

    frcking hilarious !

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    The Big Bang Theory= Amos n' Andy for geeks

    by Mugato5150

    It's geek humor that dumbasses think geek humor should be like.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Perhaps a trip to the theater will enliven my spirits!

    by Hercules


  • Cool beans.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST

    What I have to say about Thursday television...

    by Jaka that I'm happy Thursday Night Football has started.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    thursday nights the only night without anything to watch????

    by jsfithaca

    more like the only night with anything to watch. at least on broadcast networks. and on cable most good stuff is on sunday

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    'Blackface'? Really?

    by Richard Cranium

    A bunch of fat comic book reading virgins are not a fucking race, sorry.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    PRIME SUSPECT was so good tonight

    by CherryValance

    Dammit. *sigh*

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    The Office was unusually good tonight.

    by Tarijeno

    Ever since Steve left the show, it's felt pretty weak. Tonight's episode was kind of good when you compare it to previous weeks. I'd give it a 7. Community and Parks and Rec are still better though.

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Ooh I can't wait for Justified. Always too short.

    by HarrysNemesis

  • Nov. 17, 2011, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Parks is ehhhhhh.... but still has laugh out loud moments.

    by Tigger Tales


  • Nov. 17, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Here's the problem with Parks and Recreations.....

    by Kevin Muniz

    too many characters!!! The addition of Rob Lowe and Adam Scott has slowed down the show, it was funnier when those two were out of the picture.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 12:05 a.m. CST

    POI Easter Egg

    by Charles Calthrop

    Wasn't that Christopher Nolan as the younger version of the construction worker?

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Adam Scott has definitely made P&R funnier

    by Tarijeno

    His replacement of Brendanawicz has certainly made the show funnier. The crying Ben in the Batman costume scene was probably the funniest bit of the whole season.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:40 a.m. CST

    chuck lorre laffs at alll of you

    by john

    3 hit shows running at the same time a few haters on aicn.... yup...he is wheeping fact is, its the only show that goes out of its way to cater to the geek crowd with its guest star list (except for psych)

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Amos n' Andy was popular with black people.

    by hst666

    I am a bleeding heart liberal who left the Dems for the Greens long ago, but facts are facts. Amos n' Andy was taken off the air because of white liberals. The Big Bang Theory is often funny. It never approaches the brilliance of Community's best episodes but it can be entertaining. Yes, the laugh track annoys the shit out of me too and those 3 or 4 camera sitcoms have to space out lines to account for audience reactions (which by the way are there, they just may not be there after the 5th take or may not get picked up by audio.) I prefer my jokes/minute ratio to be higher. But it's not a bad show.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST


    by Himbo

    Folks, The Big Bang Theory isn't a geek documentary. It portrays caricatures of geek behavior. Anybody reading this board probably reflects aspects of all the main characters at different times. Same way "The Office" is not an accurate reflection of Office life: it is a synthesis of the worst, painful aspects of office-life. Pretty sure Parks&Rec is not an accurate portrayal of self-important bureaucracy, but Leslie Nope certainly brings across the earnestness of many people who could not get a job in the private sector. BBT has it's charms, and the longer you live in the geek-culture (and if you get to step away from it for a while) you can see some of the honesty. Penny is a beautiful trainwreck that every nerd would like to bang, but is probably best left untouched. You all know a geek that has dated/married a girl way out of his league. And you know geeks that at times channel Sheldon when they get on the defensive. .. Or at least you should. There is a reason why Hirschfelds illustrations are more popular than one-off photographs.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 8:38 a.m. CST

    THE OFFICE Continues To Underwhelm This Season...

    by Graphix67

    Without Michael acting as the main lightning-rod of absurdity, EVERYONE else is trying to pick up the slack by being individually more silly and wacky than ever. Ryan has become too spacey (whatever happened to the bussiness-savy intern-turned-youngest-vice-president-in-company-history???) And poor Kevin has been utterly retarded for the last 5 seasons. Andy's character is simply NOT working as the boss. This show has lost it's focus and it's way.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The Office is in a downward spiral...again, only laughed at Stanley

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    and Spader I guess on with that quick "Well, in the African American community..." exchange. Also the Civil Ear gay retreat/Schrute Farm thing was mildly humorous. Andy sucks as boss...please stop writing his part as though he was Michael Scott.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    Civil *War...not ear

    by MoneyGrabSequel

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    So many wrong people, so little time (Big Bang, Community, Office)

    by HarrysNemesis

    Big Bang and Community are both good. They are just different shows and almost different formats. BB is a traditional sitcom, Community is not. They're both very well written. And lorre having 3 hit shows doesn't mean much. 2.5 men was already on a quick descent the last few seasons and is now barely even watchable with kutcher. What's his other hit show? Who cares. As for the Office, you office bashers are just ridiculous. Newsflash people -- at it's peak it was never THAT great compared to now. It has always been good with minor peaks. The things I have always like about the show are still there now. Some of the complaints are ridiculous, like about kevin being stupid. He has been since season 1!!! Nope could get a job in the private sector, she just would not want to. Psych has been underrated shows on tv, but the last couple of seasons it has slipped some. I'd still like to see it get more props than it does.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST



    sure would be fun to mouth fuck

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    The Office needs to get serious to be funny again


    They need to have Mr. California clean house, get rid of Kevin, Ryan, and a few others and tell Andy that his job is performance based and if sales continue to slide, he will slide with them. The rest of the Office staff needs to start getting serious, Stanley needs to warn the others that he is to old for this shit (starting another job) and Jim could say he feels like he is on "Lethal Weapon 5". They need to realize that this is what they do for a living. It used to be we had quirky characters, now we have people who do nothing in a days time. Jim is coasting, he needs to get back to that place where he realizes that he has 2 kids and a wife to support and he has to work hard and make wise cracks to survive. They have lost touch with reality on that show and the laughs went with it.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Community was not good last night


    just saying.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 9:58 a.m. CST

    The Big Gang Bang Theory....

    by ZodNotGod

    stinks because it's written by a-holes who think they know how Geeks act, but don't. The guys on that show are NERDS. Meaning they have social problems, dress like bums, cant talk to women, watch way too much anime and think "HEROES" is good television and people pretty much hate them. No one wants to be a NERD. As for the Geek culture; they speak the words, but they don't know rythme or the dance. Geek blackface is spot-on. Being a geek is nothing like those skinny twats. It's safe viewing for non-geeks which makes me sick. Casual fans of anything can die in a car fire. They are the worst.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 10:01 a.m. CST

    The main point however is TBBT is just not funny...

    by ZodNotGod

    Those damn laugh tracks which have gotten out of hand these last few years is so intrusive and dishonest. NOT every line or joke is funny. Sheldon: Hello *Audience laughs... What is this CBS 1971?

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    the difference between Community and The Big Bang Theory

    by Bloo

    TBBT is a show ABOUT geeks but not written by geeks, Community is a show FOR geek BY geeks. It's that simple. TBBT goes for the obvious jokes. If they're in a bind they'll throw in a Star Wars or Star Trek joke. the characters are stock characters. TBBT is a show full of cliches. Is it funny? It has it's moments, every episode or two has a joke that will make me chuckle. It's SAFE comedy. Community is DANGEROUS. characters don't fit into neat holes. They can be endearing and annoying at the same time. And they respect geek culture. Would TBBT ever do a show that pays homage to My Dinner with Andre or have they ever done anything that comes close to rivaling the brillance that is the first Paintball Episode? Or have the emotional resonance that the Abed Christmas or D&D episodes did? TBBT is Bill Cosby...Community is Andy Kauffman.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by the douche

    perfectly stated bloo. Last night's ep was one of those dangerous eps that not only TBBT wouldn't dare do but no other sitcom besides Louie would. That is what makes me love the show. There are plenty of cookie cutter sitcoms on the air to choose from. There aren't any other shows that strive to be as creative and try new things in the "sitcom" format as Harmon and Co. do on Community

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Pretty good analogies, bloo.

    by AnnoyYou

    However, like Kaufman, a lot of the time Community wanks along only for itself. Sometimes it's brilliant, hilarious and affecting; sometimes it's much too self-indulgent and self-referential. Last night's episode was a good example of the latter, bludgeoning everyone over the head with a "clever"reinterpretation of the Apocalypse Now saga. Seinfeld did it better and more economically 13 years ago in a 30-second scene between Elaine and Mr. Peterman. Sometimes less is more.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    see I felt

    by Bloo

    last night's episode was more of an homage...reinterpretation of Hearts of Darkness (thus all the Hearts of Darkness references) then Apocalypse Now but I can see your point too. It was a little...maybe over the top? I loved it, but I tend to love just about everything Community does. I thought what Abed did for the Dean afterwards was a giant step forward. he went from being the fly on the wall to changing things.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Community is so incredibly overrated

    by NightArrows

    It hasn't been funny yet and I'm nearly done the first season. Does it miraculously get better? The case is lame and the only big laugh I've had is Chevy's drug-induced freak out on Halloween. And anyone...zodnotgod...who thinks The Big Bang Theory is "black face" should go drown themselves in a fucking river. Fucking mongoloids the lot of you.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    That would be "cast"

    by NightArrows

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    You know why nerds hate Big Bang Theory?

    by Terrence

    Because a lot of us honestly act like that. Socially stunted, condescending, perverse for no inherent reason....

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    re: "TBBT goes for the obvious jokes. "

    by jim

    Sometimes it does. Like that Halloween episode from, I believe, last year. They were doing a group costume for a contest going as The Justice League. Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, and The Flash were all spoken for. Raj "gets stuck" being Aquaman because that, apparently, was his only option. Queue requisite "Aquaman is lame, all he does is talk to fish" jokes. You'd think a comic book reading nerd who really doesn't want to go as Aquaman might be able to come up with another option for a Justice League character costume. But then they couldn't go for the easy Aquaman jokes. Hey, maybe next year they'll go as The Avengers, and someone can make a Hulk ripping his pants joke.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    big jim

    by Bloo

    that's an excellent example. Someone who's comic book knowlege goes beyond SuperFriends would know that there are lots of Justice League members to draw from (Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, Booster Gold, a SECOND or even THIRD Green Lantern--that's just off the top of my head). But no they wanted to go with the obvious and worn out Aquaf@g (for the Zoners out there) jokes

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Here's the church, here's the steeple

    by Kammich

    Open up, eat the people. "The League" has been killing it this season. And getting madcap guest cameos by the likes of Ray Liotta, Sarah Silverman and Jeff Goldblum only helps things. It pains me to say that "Sunny" has been a little more hit-and-miss this year. The show has always been kind of like that, but the "misses" seem to be coming a lot more frequently than the "hits."

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Community VS. TBBT

    by Gap Toothed TV Boy

    I enjoy both shows for different reasons. The difference between "Community" and "TBBT" is that "TBBT" wants to appeal to the widest audience possible. "Community" is more selective in its audience. Chuck Lorre wants so desperately for you to like him. Dan Harmon could give a shit what you think.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST

    as far as Aquaman..


    sure there are lots of Justice League members to draw from (Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, Booster Gold), but would they get the laughs that AM did?

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Wonder what the tune out on Community was


    Wonder what the tune out on Community was last night? , people who are checking out the show due to folks being upset because it is going into hiatus, did not see a good representation of that show.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    The Big Bang Theory is "black face"?


    what a nerdy thing to say

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    would Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow or Booster Gold get the same kind of laughs that Aquaf@g gets? Sure, in the hands of a talented writer any situation or character can be milked for good comedy. TBBT however went for the cheapest, quickest, easiest jokes possible (If I remember the episode correctly, I just saw it on TBS recently)

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    and The League

    by Bloo

    has had some great guest stars this season from outside the world of sports and this season has been really really goo. I agree with however above said that. Good call.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    But Aquaman


    But Aquaman is a cultural icon with a very nerdy power. heck the first few issues of the new "52" Aquaman addresses this.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    The League - Sara Silverman


    Creepy and Shwing at the same time.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    be that as it may, it's still the most obvious and cheapest way to get laughs.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I think the inverse is true, gap toothed tv boy

    by AnnoyYou

    Lorre doesn't give a damn about his audience at all, his clever little end tags to the contrary. He's a TV lifer, and they're the most cynical of all. He'll do what it takes to make product which the majority of Americans will love and really doesn't give a shit where it goes as long as it's successful. OTOH, Harmon, with every compulsive, scathing/piteous tweet and tumblr he posts, is desperate for everyone to like him. You haven't been reading closely enough. The guy cares deeply about what everyone in the world thinks about him.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Lorree vs Harmon

    by Bloo

    Loree cares what the Industry thinks of him. He does what he does for execs. And doing that has created some of the most vanilla TV possible. And audiences eat his shit up. Harmon on the other hand cares about what his AUDIENCE thinks. I don't think he gives a shit what execs think though. At times he reminds me of Phil Sims ( I don't know any of these men, I can only judge them based on twitter and episode commentaries, and public perception)

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    re: "... but would they get the laughs that AM did?"

    by jim

    No, not from the majority of TBBT audience. Seeing Raj in the Aquaman costume (the bottom half being a seahorse) got a big laugh from the audience. It really was a ridiculously lame costume. However, the joke sacrificed character for a quick and easy laugh.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Nielsen house

    by Redmantle

    I got offered to be a Nielsen person. I turned it down. First off- It's NO-ONE'S business how much porn I watch... and second, it seemed like a pain in the ass. Sure there's a little bit of cash involved, but it wasn't worth it to me. I guess if you want to be a Nielsen person you just have to get lucky and they'll call you. Maybe I was in the demographic they were looking for??

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    yep, not the best community epsiode, some funny moments, but more miss then hit. Don't think apocalypse now was best movie to parody.. anyone else spot captain awesome in the 90's advert?

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 4:43 p.m. CST

    every thing else seems on auto pilot

    by rakesh patel

    burn notice..kinda lost interest in this person of interest really needs an underlying arc, good to see alan dale ( jim robinson to me he'll always be!) bbt - usual fare mentalist, they are stretching the red john story line forever.start ramping up!

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    @ charles calthrop.... NO NOT CHRIS NOLAN in POI

    by Cheif Brody

    That was character actor Sherman Howard playing the part of construction worker/retired German spy on Person of Interest last night. <p> The pic Finch was looking at was actually an 80's headshot of Howard, prolly from when he played a hitman in "Lethal Weapon 2". He also was in "The Junior Mint" episode of Seinfeld, and he looked very much like that in the publicity pic they used last night on POI. <p> Here's a pic of him from the "Superboy" TV show from the 90's: <p> <p> You can definitely see the resemblance to John Nolan's more famous brother. <p>

  • That would have made it cooler than Reese killing him. <p> Also, Charles Widdy guest starring wasn't the only tip of the hat to LOST last nite...They also utilized the "flashback effect" from LOST, showing Reese's first assignment with the covert ops team he served on. Even used a lil "flashback" sound effect jumping from 2011 to the past. <p> Agree with ya, Mr. X....Not the best POI of the bunch. 1st off...wasn't ever really sure WHO the Person of Interest WAS is last night's episode! I mean, Widmore's...I mean...Ulrich Kohl's number came up as the POI...but he was out to murder his whole TEAM...and his wife and daughter. Why didn't any of THEIR numbers get spit out of the machine? I realize the SS# they get could either be the victim...OR the perp...but it seemed a stretch last night of the "rules" of the them a # of a dude that's been held in a European gulag for the past 24 years....then takes on a fake name to re-enter the country on a revenge mission. Kinda convoluted. <p> Still have no idea how the NYPD has Central Park entirely surrounded...but no one sees Reese standing off in the distance watching them find Kohl's dead body. They really need to let Detective Carter CATCH Reese soon...or have HER # come up, but Reese saves her. <p> This cat & mouse game is getting taxing...and is making the "cat" in the equation seem like a dumb ass.

  • Here's a fantastic article from someone who WAS a Nieilsen household. Too much info for me to summerize here...but it's an eye opening read. <p> Only 5,000 homes in the entire US are represent 100 million homes? You bet! No wonder why I've never actually met a Nielsen family member in my entire life. That sample size seems woefully low. Especially considering most homes have multiple TVs in them these days. Not like it's the 50's, 60's or 70's with one TV in the living room and everyone all watching the same program. <p> Anyways...Here's the full article: <p>

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    cheif brody, regarding Person of Interest

    by jim

    I assumed the machine picked up on the alias (which he hadn't used in 20+ years) which had connected to it, among other things, an SS number. It probably focused on him thanks to the chatter to and from the German agent sent to catch him (the dude waiting for him at the station).

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Posters to help save Community.....Herc please post this article!

    by Bobo_Vision <p> C'mon, Herc. Post this article...we've got to get the word out!!!!!

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Parks and Rec was better as a comedy

    by nemov

    The writers ruined the show with the stupid love drama. It's painful to watch now.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Thanx, big jim...guess I missed that Agent connection.

    by Cheif Brody

    I'm actually GLAD they don't explain too much about HOW the machine picks the numbers...Mite be akin to explaining that the island on LOST was a "CORK". <p> Nemov...agreed on the romance angle on Parks n Rec. This slowmance with Leslie & Ben has gone on too long. The whole "we cant be friends...but we can't be lovers" thing should have been a 2 episode arc...they are stringing it out over the whole season. <p> Usually, the only reason for a sitcom to do that is to lead up to the whole season finale "marriage proposal" cliffhanger. Andy and April already tied the knot last season...they should give it a break. <p> I liked when they were more focused on the backwards ass beauracrcies of small town government and less on who's bonin who. <p> "Can'y wait to start takin Women's Lasers" <p> "Women's Studies"... <p> "Oh yeah...I can't stop thinkin about lasers. How cool would a Woman's Lasers class be, though?" <p> ------------ <p> "For the record, you would make a stunning brunette. Ron Swanson" <p> Andy & Ron get all the best lines!

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    If Community is gone they should replace it with

    by DougMcKenzie

    An Inspector Space-time - Constable Reggie show. What would be better than a guy going around pretending he's Doctor Who.

  • Nov. 18, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by Gap Toothed TV Boy

    You're absolutely right. Lorre is a company man. Harmon is a man of the people. When I said that Lorre wants to be liked and Harmon could care less, I meant the network suits.

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 12:04 a.m. CST

    the LEAGUE IS THE FUNNIEST SHOW ON TV (besides South Park)

    by mr ahole ramirez

    if you dont think so, youre either not friends with people u grew up with, dont understand sex jokes (due to lack of sex), and/or have a geek hate for football I dunno what happened to Comunity, but it lost its title as the funniest live action show PS: Rafi is the FUNNIEST character on TV now (may even rival Cartman)

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    @ cheif brody are you sure?

    by Charles Calthrop

    I know the older actor wasn't Nolan, but the headshot of the younger version sure looked like the bearded Nolan, right down to the hairline. Here's a pic for comparison:

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 2:14 a.m. CST

    The Big Bang Theory

    by shodan6672

    is to geek humor what "The Rocker" was to Metal :What dumbasses who have no idea about the subject they are laughing at will find funny.

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Positive, Charles. It Wasn't Nolan.

    by Cheif Brody

    It was an old publicity still of Sherman Howard...just as they used an old REAL picture of Alan Dale to portray his character Kohl from the 80's. <p> Here's a pic of him from the Seinfeld "Junior Mint" episode: <p> <p> But the headshot prop they used of Howard was prolly from his days on General Hospital.

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Jeez, ANOTHER Office episode

    by Bass Ackwards

    with Andy goofily trying to earn the respect of his employees? Ending with another speech with Jim saying YES, we all respect you... At some point they ought to have an episode about the Office workers getting tired of having to coddle and assure Andy.

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Last Thursday's Community

    by DookieMercury

    I don't get bum feeling from the episode that some others have. The Heart of Darkness spoofing was awesome as was seeing everyone have their breakdown in their own ways. Also getting the guest star and having him comment was pretty cool. I think with Community, as a series, you have episodes with all these gags and throwbacks to pop culture yet each one gives insight and layers to their characters and world plus it stays true to that world in the midst of all their madness. Few shows have pulled that off.

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    nerd blackface (tbbt)

    by thedottedlion

    i never heard that but it feels right. they get all their nerd references right, but something always feels off. like they're trying too hard to get the details right but not trying hard enough to make it funny. some eps are great, but the majority are grating with plot points you can see coming a mile away. most comedies are predictable, but i wouldn't have time to think about that if i was actually laughing.

  • Nov. 19, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I think Community's arc will reflect Fam Guy's or Futarama's

    by DougMcKenzie

    Or now Arrested's. It might go away shortly, but it's got the street cred to come back at some point. Also TBBT really had one good thing going for it and that was the Wheaton/Sheldon rivalry, and now it looks like they killed it? Why? Unless it leads to a Spiner/Sheldon rivalry why end it, especially with Wheaton being a nice guy, when he was a complete douche before? Also the girls are getting way way too much exposure. Really getting sick of Penny, Amy and Bernadette pretty much being the leads this year. Maybe start putting Melissa Rauch's gigantic rack(think old Christina RiccI) in the tops they stick Kaley Cuoco's smallish pair in.

  • Nov. 20, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    nerd blackface??? they are all actors


    Nimoy was in Vulcan blackface i guess.

  • from wikipedia: "Blackface is a form of theatrical makeup used in minstrel shows, and later vaudeville, in which performers create a stereotyped caricature of a black person." Key words: "stereotyped caricature". Saying TBBT is "Nerd Blackface" means the characters are not portrayed realistically as real people. Instead they are made up of what the general public perceives a nerd to be (accurate or otherwise), and those traits are presented in an exaggerated way. Again, I point to the episode with Raj who didn't want to dress up like Aquaman but acted as though that was the only character option open to him. A real nerd, or geek, could easily come up with another member of the Justice League to go as. Or how about Raj unwilling to allow a woman to hear him speak? He's been hanging around Penny for 4 or 5 years now, had sex with her, but still has to whisper his asides to his male friends with her in the room. He has no problem talking in front of her, just as long as she can't hear him. See, "can't talk to girls" is a nerd stereotype; not being able to utter so much as a single syllable in front of a woman you've know for years, once slept with, while still being able to be articulate in front of her as long as she can't hear you, is an exaggeration. Or, in other words, Stereotyped Caricature.

  • Nov. 20, 2011, 6:07 p.m. CST

    isn't that true...


    of almost every tv show? What about Abed and Troy, they are geeks, yet Troy used to be a jock. Now they both Abed and Troy are almost borderline retarded. What about Kevin on The Office? There are geeks that do act like that, and they are being true to those characters, as far as Raj who didn't want to dress up like Aquaman, keep in mind that Sheldon probably demanded it be that way. He is a fussy cat.

  • Nov. 21, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Guzman and the Dean's speechs at the end of this weeks episode

    by Cartagia

    are exactly WHY Community should not be pulled off the air. You can't find that much genuine intellect and emotion in only one other comedy on TV, Modern Family.

  • The trick is to keep your characters, even the ones who cross the line over to caricature, believable. They need to be consistent, but that doesn't mean they can't evolve (or devolve). Just as long as that progression (or regression) is natural. Raj not being able to talk out loud in front of Penny after all this time is just plain stupid. As for the Aquaman costume, yes, I can totally see Sheldon putting his foot down demanding that someone needed to be Aquaman. However it shouldn't be left up to the viewers to explain away character discrepancies (despite what many of the writers for Heroes would have you believe). I like TBBT, I find it often quite funny. I really enjoyed the gags this week regarding the new fantasy card game pack (for only $24.99). Maybe I missed it but I would have liked to have heard how much more Raj paid for the limited edition set that came in the tin can and had the plastic sheriff''s badge/magic wand. A ridiculous price no doubt. Funny because it's true. Too bad it's not consistent. Sometimes stuff like that, other times lazy jokes that are inconsistent with the characters. re: "What about Abed and Troy, they are geeks, yet Troy used to be a jock. Now they both Abed and Troy are almost borderline retarded." None of those things is mutually exclusive.