AICN COMICS Q&@: Ambush Bug Interviews Patrick Meaney, director of WARREN ELLIS: CAPTURED GHOSTS documentary!
@’s by Patrick Meaney
Director of WARREN ELLIS: CAPTURED GHOSTS!
BUG: So I’m here with Patrick Meaney and we are here at New York Comic Con and it’s the day after the premiere of WARREN ELLIS: CAPTURED GHOSTS. Can you tell the folks why you decided to make a documentary on Warren Ellis?
PATRICK MEANEY (PM): Well we had previously done GRANT MORRISON: TALKING WITH GODS and we were kind of thinking about “Who else in comics has the mystique where you just want to know more about them?” You want to know like “Who is the real…” You want to know “Who is the real Grant Morrison?” I think with Warren he had a similar kind of mystique and legend about him, so he seemed like a great subject to tackle and he’s somebody who is obviously hilarious online and seemed like he would be a fun guy to spend 80 minutes with.
BUG: Between the two of them (Grant and Warren), what are the main differences between the two since you spent so much time interviewing both of them?
PM: I think the biggest difference is that Grant’s work is a little more based and drawn out of his personal life, so the film about Grant there’s a lot about his weird adventures and his magic and things he did in his life, his travels and things like that. With Warren, he has a little more of a conventional life, like he has a daughter, he doesn’t travel as much, so Warren is a little more idea based, but Grant it’s like he travels all over the place and knows a lot of people, but not as many people seem to know him really well. With Warren, people who know him online know him incredibly deeply and have this huge passion for him. So a lot of the movie became about kind of his nexus and him as like a nexus of a cultural web that includes journalists, artists, scientists, comics people, all kinds of different people.
BUG: What was it like or how did you approach him to make this documentary and what was his reaction when you first approached him for it?
PM: Let’s bring you in on that one, Mike.
MIKE PHILLIPS: Okay, yeah I’m Mike Phillips. I work for Sequart. I emailed him… just a cold call kind of email him out of the blue and he thought it was a joke. He said, “If this isn’t some joke, then you definitely don’t want to interview me. Nobody wants to talk about me” and it was completely self-deprecating.
PM: But then I guess eventually he agreed to and we wound up… Basically we booked one of the few smoking rooms in a hotel in London and spent a couple of days with him just you know talking to him for a long time and getting to know him and that was the start of it.
BUG: So in those interviews in the film it seemed like he was drinking the entire time. Did the interviews get a little more slushier towards the end of it or was he pretty much the same Warren the entire time?
PM: I think he got a little sloshy. He was definitely… The first time we interviewed him he was really hitting the whiskey. The second time it was a little more chill, it was not as much drinking and stuff, but it was still like it’s kind of a constant I guess…
BUG: So after making this documentary about him, who is Warren Ellis to you?
PM: I think that Warren… You know that’s one of the kind of things you have to figure out, because a lot of people who aren’t into comics are like “What are you doing?” I’m like “I just released this documentary” and it’s kind of like “How do you describe Warren?” You could say “He’s a comic book writer,” but that doesn’t really sum it up, so I’ve kind of been… I think he’s a guy who sees the future and he’s creating a kind of like a new social network, one not based on where you are from, but your mutual interests and the way that you can work together online. He’s also writing works that are really about the future we live in, not an imagined fantasy future with spaceships and stuff, but about the real technology and the things that we are actually dealing with.”
BUG: Can you talk a little bit about just the technical aspects of putting together a documentary like this? You said there was like forty hours of footage for this film!
PM: Yeah, we interviewed 50 people and we interviewed Warren for like 15 hours, so there’s a lot of stuff. So really it just comes down to… Okay, I started editing before we had shot a lot of the stuff and we would just kind of go through and lay it all out and I wound up with like three or four hour cuts to start with and then you just have to keep going and you realize like “This is kind of what the story is” and then as that starts to come together, when you interview people it’s a lot easier, because you can target your questions, so if I know we are going to have a section on FREAK ANGELS, I’m going to ask somebody about FREAK ANGELS, because that was something that became important as it came out. Certain works of his, like say like FELL are great works, but they didn’t fit in for whatever reason, so it’s kind of about just figuring out what is part of the story more than just a checklist of “this, this, and this.”
BUG: How did you decide who was going to be in the documentary?
PM: Well we started out talking to people from comics who he had worked with in comics and then kind of gradually branched out. Some of it was people saying like we would interview somebody and they would be like “You’ve got to talk to this person.” Then you talk to them and I had a dream list of people like Joss Whedon and Helen Mirren where I was like “Well these guys would be great, but I don’t really see this happening” and then through contacting them and getting in touch, it happened. So it was a great… We interviewed a lot of people in Grant movie, but I think we got even more people on this one.
BUG: So from the Grant movie to this one, what did you learn as a director? Was that your first film that you did? The Grant Morrison one?
PM: It was the first feature, yeah. I think the big thing was kind of a lot more confidence. Like with the Grant film we did some of these reenactments and different weird visual stuff, but I was always like “Got to keep it blurry, I don’t know if this is going to play” just giving it that distance of being like “You can’t tell what’s going on,” so on this one we decided to be a little more ambitious about it and do more like direct recreations of his work sometimes and stuff with like the characters and just be a little more… actually show stuff and not put it all out of focus.
BUG: So do you want to make more of these? What are your future plans?
PM: Yes, we have a couple of projects in the works which can’t quite be announced yet, but will hopefully be announced at the end of the year, which you know I’m pretty excited about. It’s really fun to do, because it’s basically getting to interview people who’s work I love and really respect and then getting to tell their story in their style. So with Warren Ellis the idea was to approach it and make it feel like a Warren Ellis comic, you know make it look like a Warren Ellis comic, sound like what you would imagine a Warren Ellis comic would sound like and all of that. It’s a lot of fun and kind of a good challenge and I’m also trying to work on some more original narrative stuff, so it’s not only… Comic book documentaries are not my sole passion as a creator.
BUG: Yeah. What’s your background in? Where did you start dreaming about being a filmmaker?
PM: I mean I was always interested in films and Jordon Rennert who is the producer/director of photography of the movie and I used to make stuff when we were kids in like middle school and high school, then I went to school for film studies at Wesleyan and after that I kind of… I was always making my own stuff and was working at like a post house and I wound up getting laid off from that and being like “All right, I’ve got to go for it now.” So a couple months after that we got the go from Grant to do GRANT MORRISON: TALKING WITH GODS and have just gone off from there.
BUG: Very cool. Well you’ve got two in a row that are really great. Is there anything else you want to say to Ain’t It Cool News?
PM: I’d just say WARREN ELLIS: CAPTURED GHOSTS is going to be premiering next month at the Napa Valley Film Festival and then it’s going to be screening all over the world hopefully. We’ve got screenings scheduled in LA, St. Louis, Las Vegas, we are just trying to reach out and get it all over the place.
BUG: And then is it going to be available on DVD sometime soon?
PM: It will be on DVD in February and GRANT MORRISON: TALKING WITH GODS special edition version will be on DVD in January. If you already own the DVD, you can buy the disk individually, the bonus disk. It’s got four hours of content from Grant and some of the other people and if you are a Grant fan, this is some awesome stuff. I just enjoyed listening to it.
BUG: Very cool, well thanks for taking the time to talk with me today.
PM: No, thank you.
BUG: Look for WARREN ELLIS: CAPTURED GHOSTS available in February and playing select theaters. Check out the website to see if and when the film is coming your way!
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Nov. 14, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST
Pretty much geniuses. Cannot wait to finally see these.
Nov. 14, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST
AICN should post a story about Frank "Douchebagman" Miller's bizarre, nonsensical, bigoted anti-OWS / anti-Islam rant. It takes untintentional self-parody to the limit of human expression, and then goes one step more.
It's really inflammatory and completely nutso. Not only has he completely lost any ability to write or draw, he has also completely lost his mind. I mean, hey, you don't have to agree with the Occupiers, but calling them all thieves and rapists and worse than al Queada is so far beyond ludicrous it boggles the mind. His argument seems to be, "these hippies have iPads, so, TERRORISM!" If you haven't read it yet, look it up on his blog. It hovers somewhere on the border of being totally hilarious and terrifyingly stupid. (On the brightside, seems the vast majority of the people who actually read his blog posted various statements vehemently disagreeing with him and boycotting any/all of his future work.)
Nov. 14, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST
ELLIS and MORRISON have always seemed like they sprang from the same creative gene pool, and both veer between brilliance and hogwash with infuriating regularity. Never really understood the ending of THE INVISIBLES and the inter-dimensional meta-bollocks it ended up wrapping itself up in. Maybe MORRISON will explain it on the doc.
Nov. 14, 2011, 3:12 p.m. CST
Or maybe early senility. He is getting on. Maybe he'll go like Hemingway and blow his brains out because he can't get it up (artistically) any more.
Nov. 14, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST
He's lost it. His suicide would be a blessing at this point -- he should off himself before he ruins his legacy any more than he already has.
Nov. 14, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST
Shame that he's become just another angry blogger though. Most disappointing thing is that HOLY TERROR looks to be a bag of shit judging by general feedback. Was really hoping it'd be a return to form. May still check it out as have loved MILLER since RONIN, but just feel like I've been shat on too many times now.
Nov. 14, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST
are on netflix first. This guy should should do a doc on Gaiman. Anyone know if there has ever been one made on the dream master himself? That i'd buy. Also Miller...... Ass-clown!
Nov. 14, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST
what don't you get about The Invisibles?
Nov. 14, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
And I don't say that because I disagree with him. There's really nothing there to agree or disagree with. If you read his comics, they are self-contradictory from panel to panel going back to that Daredevil story where Matt shoots the Punisher, and especially his Batman stuff. In my more fanboyish days, I thought he was doing this on purpose, making a statement, but I haven't thought that for a long time. The clearest statement Miller has ever made was for artistic freedom and I have to support that although I don't think the world's going to come to an end if Mom and Dad have an idea what their ten year old is reading, mainly the only people who really want to read this shit any more are grown men. Otherwise, Miller just seems like another befuddled fan who would like to seem relevant and intelligent. Miller reminds me a little bit of Jane Fonda in her Hanoi Jane days, in that they want to make a political statement so badly but don't really have anything to say.
Nov. 14, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
They should just shut up and draw. Or, at least, just shut up.
Nov. 14, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST
My own fault really. I had been reading THE INVISIBLES in sequence on release from the beginning. Then at about the halfway mark, I just lost track for a period and ended up renting the graphic novels out from the library. But I was reading them out of sequence, and just ended up totally confusing myself. When I found it had ended I bought the final issue and didn't have a fucking clue what was going on. Also MORRISON doing another semi-meta-ANIMAL MAN ending kind of irritated me. I probably need to buy and read the final volume graphic novel THE INVISIBLE KINGDOM properly. I basically spoilt the series for myself really though. Which is a shame. The whole first few story arcs - especially concentrating on Dane/Jack Frost - I thought were the greatest thing since sliced bread at the time.
Nov. 14, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST
Especially since he can't make good comics anymore either. But yeah, I see what you're saying, Buzz. I don't even have a problem with criticizing OWS (or any political movement / party / religion), just make those criticisms grounded in some sort of discernible reality and not some crazed, paranoid lunatic rant that barely makes sense. Or, you know, do that, and lose all credibility (not that he had any left).
Nov. 14, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST
Don`t agree with all he said but I find it hard to disagree with the comments about the OWS idiots being a bunch of spoiled brats without a clear message or the fact that they certainly do not represent the true 99%. People just want jobs and those Wall Street knobs held accountable.
Nov. 15, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST
neonfrisbee - I don't know how Miller could ruin his legacy any further after his solo directorial debut, the eye-gougingly god-awful, The Spirit
...Wherein he managed to unintentionally take a massive dump on the grave of his supposed "idol" Will Eisner. That cheezy TV pilot version from the 80's with Sam Jones was actually better than Miller's version!
Nov. 15, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST
They've brought attention to themselves; now what?
Nov. 15, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST
...this is fucking awesome. <p> As a gigantic Neil Gaiman geek, let me say, yes! I would love to see a good doc on Neil. Thing is, I think people know a lot of his story/persona. He hasn't really kept himself in the shadows or anything.
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