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AMC says of “Chupacabra”:
Glenn, the only one breaking barriers between both groups, knows far too much for his comfort level. Daryl finds a sign of life and, in his delirium, tries to make it back to the farm alive.
What is it about the old veterinarian’s farm that makes it so safe from zombie attacks – so safe he doesn’t need or want guns on the property? (Is his barbed wire extra pointy? Is it the depth of his wells?) What’s to stop Rick and his group from just taking over some abandoned farm up the road?
Spoilers lurk in invisotext.
* The episode begins with a flashback. You can tell thanks to Shane’s haircut, among other things. There’s a helicopter.
* We learn the zombies were somehow early on able to shut down the Emergency Broadcast Center. (So imagine how easy that would be if a member of Al Queda more intelligent than a muskrat tried!)
* The flashback doesn’t offer a lot of clues regarding how the zombies grew in number so quickly, but it does offer a cool nighttime shot of Atlanta.
* We learn more of Shane’s high school joyriding this week.
* There’s a lot of discussion this week regarding how long the search for little Sophia should continue.
* The scene with Glenn and Dale arrives in the latter half of the episode.
* A super-spoiler lurks below. Scroll at your own risk.
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* Michael Rooker’s name is in the opening credits. So don’t be too shocked if the word “nigger” comes up at some point.
Next week brings another good one.
9 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
Readers Talkback
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I'm guessing they do just as things, as they often do, go terribly wrong.
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they find ... something
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i loved the short snap first season but the extending of this show was a bad idea, the stuff in-between the zombies is dreadful, all boring spiritualist crap. and really are they going to drag out the search for the girl story for the whole season cause they have nothing else to write about, that farm is only a excuse to drop the budget. its clear from the ratings the show is dropping every week. why did they spend the whole episode dragging that zombie out of the well when they had 4 other perfect wells ..waste of time, troll rant over ...i feel better.
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... the comic. It has more bang for the buck and is 100 times better them the show.
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... the comic. It has more bang for the buck and is 100 times better them the show.
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...so I can't understand anyone claiming the producers put it in just to cut the show's budget.
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what made the Walking Dead comics so enthralling are/is their constant action set pieces WITH character development. It's been said but the farm stuff is very early on in the books, and by this slow rate the show will never get to the real juicy stuff. They're focusing on a) omitting important points that utterly set the tone and characters raisen detre for the entire run, and b) dragging out these much smaller moments that were in the books for insight into characters later motivations and actions, focusing on them in such microscopic detail dilutes the entire story and feel. I say this a a big fan of the books (they ARE b-movie but with 'meat' so to speak) and someone that will continue to watch the show, each week hoping they'll somehow get back on track, but always thinking it was all on the page - it actually didn't need much toying with in the first place.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 7:19 a.m. CST
Because a farm is easier to pay for than post-apoc Atlanta
by tangcameo
Just pay one farm family money to use their farm for a few months. Clearing the streets and skies of Atlanta takes more, even when you can CGI gawkers out.
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It was shown in the previews at the end of last week's episode.
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Something in the creek?
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Nov. 13, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST
If this episode is as a "HUGE" as last week's, then count me out.
by JudasPriestly
Seriously, is the entire focus of this season to search for one girl? I'm concerned about the reason WHY there are zombies than about WHY Shane is a fucking asshole.
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The show is only on its 11th episode. We all are dying for the juicy stuff from the comics, but the show has to earn its way to those plot points, it can't just jump into them cause it's the stuff we all remember. That said I don't disagree that the pace makes me wonder how much of the story the show hopes to accomplish each season. But I think part of that arises from how little the first season covered, which is likely due to the fact that the first season was 6 episodes that were made without knowing/planning on there being a second season, so it didn't delve into moving the story a much as it could have, and was more just about being in that world. The first season almost serves as a primer, and the second season is where we start actually telling the story (hopefully). If this season does as little as the first i think we're in trouble (like if we spend the entire season at the farm), but there are still 8 episodes left, plenty of show to move forward with. Also keep in mind the comic's juicy stuff really doesn't come until we get to the point where the characters finally take control of their world and settle down, its a character development point the comic had to earn through time and struggle and the show has to do that as well.
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He just fucking better not.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST
if it was made just like the comic, people would complain its too MUCH like the comic
by gk1
just enjoy the damn show...SHIT.
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but I agree with the friends NOT familiar with the books groaning for things to move along and more things happening (and this doesn't nessecarilly mean zombie business - just have the characters do something more than pull a, yes very cool, zombie out of a well and visit a pharmacy per episode). I keep reassuring that there's tons of good stuff to come but very little ends up on screen.
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Just curious whether she has some significance in the comic, or is merely a strung out plot device on the show.
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AMC will only show the 2nd Season Premier online (thanks) so I've been reading these talkbacks to keep up with whats going on ... @regan pointed out the zombie in the well. With 4 other perfectly good wells why did they say they had to get the zombie out of the first well? Wouldn't the well be contaminated? I certainly wouldn't drink from it. Was it that way in the book? Would this be the writers fault? Although its only one more piss-poor decision made by our intrepid(?) group. By the sounds pf it, TWD will soon be joining AICN in circling the drain ...
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Nov. 13, 2011, 9:34 a.m. CST
I'm disappointed that they chose to skip over Tyreese with his daughter and her boyfriend
by Stegman84
Especially as Tyreese is a great character in the comics, and the early arc with his daughter would have added a few nice twists in the narative (for those unfamiliar with the book). I'm also saddened that they skipped the 'hopelessness of the road' bits, and the snowbound gated community. Again would have loved to see both those play in to the early part of this season, prior to the farm. The way they have done it the farm stuff has come way too early, and they haven't been battered enough by being out there the road barely managing to survive, so it just doesn't feel like the potential safe haven of this farm means all that much on the show.
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I hear people rave about it so it must be better than this. The first season was decent but this season just sucks. The only tension is brought about by people doing really stupid things. That sequence with the guy being dangled down the well was idiotic on so many levels and basically broke the logic of this whole show. And of course the pipe was going to break creating a false "intense" moment only to have the whole sequence rendered pointless just so we could witness some zombie gore. This season is just bad. Not Tera Nova bad but still bad.
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Sophia is in the comic, but there was never a story involving her being missing. She's usually just in the background except for her interactions with Carl and some other choice spoilery moments.
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At this rate it'll be season 7 before they ever even get to the damn prison!!!!
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Nov. 13, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST
Damn Herc, if you hate this show so much, why not just hit it with the "Ignore-Hammer" like with Supernatural...
by mdk
...Oh yeah, that's right, Harry and his "pwesennnttsss"!
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Don't watch it, for fucks sake. If you've read the comic, stick to that instead of flagellating your eyeballs with this series. I like it, and I've not read the comic books. Supernatural had a chance, why can't this?
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I'm pretty sure that the show runner is tied down by AMC and their paltry budgets. This show needs creativity and a decent budget that allows for that creativity.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST
Why should we want them to get to the prison?
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
They'll just fuck that up, too.
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Interesting choice to use "the farm"" for a season-long slow burn. For those not familiar with the comic, have patience, there is a payoff...
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I'm assuming you broke the walking dead out of the Sunday tv post because the amount of walking dead comments last week. I hope you'll keep the Day TV posts going, as i think it's going rather well.
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Anyone that has read the comics knows this, the good kind Christian Vet is keeping his undead relatives in the barn waiting on a cure. If they do get to the prison, things really pick up from there and it's basically a head rush until they are on the move again. BTW Shane dies in the comics early, there is no side characters like Darryl or Earl. The series is well made in sense of story-telling. I think it makes it better on the screen for taking liberties when and where it can.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST
I don't think you haters (who seem to watch the show anyways) actually understand it...
by fresh n hot
I don't think you haters (who seem to watch the show anyways) actually understand it... How can the group move on from the farm house when Carl is laid up in bed? Hershel has given them permission to stay there at least until Carl is fixed/Sophia is found. Plus they're doing what it seems like they did in the first season: They set up an area and find some place that seems safe. First season it was the CDC, in the comics it has been various places like a Prison or gated community. Here they've found Hershel's farmhouse. AND on top of all of that: The zombie apocalypse is the SETTING of the show. The zombies are no different than the burned out buildings, empty cars, and the various other remains left by the world as it was before. So, let's refocus this: The group has found a safe place. A safe place in the zombie apocalypse is a place with few zombies. This place that they've found in the show is a farm. Not a lot of zombies means not a lot of zombies killing. Farm means farm work. All that shit still needs to be done after in order survive in the zombie apocalypse. What a lot of your ideas about the zombie apocalypse are and what it would actually be like are completely different. Some of you might have to grow some brains, get some courage and leave your parents basement to get that, so that's okay. But, christ, don't blame the show because you have ADD and can't follow basic plot points.
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Now I know about Sophia. The comic spoiler just mentioned sounds good, and is the kind of stuff I wish there was more of. I hope they didn't play it safe and deviate from that.
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And we all thought they would find her the next episode? Ha! Weren't we stupid?
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Nov. 13, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST
at least this week herc doesnt claim its "the best episode yet!". Maybe that's a good sign.
by dahveed1972
im hoping for less soul searching and more soul destroying.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST
donkey, one problem is many of us were expecting better than Supernatural-level quality from TWD.
by dahveed1972
I agree that we should just accept this show for what it is, instead of what we wish it was. And given the high ratings, theres no reason to become BB or the Sopranos or Deadwood all of a sudden. Im still watching, party because ive lowered my expectations. I dont find it boring.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST
Comic book spoilers are drastically different to TV spoilers.
by sweeneydave
Characters that have long since died at this point in the comics are still alive (Shane) and characters that shouldn't die for a long time are already dead, shortly after meeting them (Ottis). As a result, I can't predict what's going to happen to Sophia.
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Someone is still going to have to fix the plumbing and cook the food....doesnt mean I want to spend an hour watching Shane use a time-life book to fix the toilet or the rest of the gang argue over whether or not Rachel Ray ever did an episode devoted to cooking and preparing non-tainted human meat.
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I use my fast forward button A LOT watching TWD. But that should tell ya something... <p> It's GOOD enough to still attract my attention...but too slooooow to keep it. <p> If they don't find that fuckin little girl tonight...It might fall off my DVR for good. The problem with this plot device, besides the pace is: <p> I DON'T REALLY FUCKIN CARE IF THEY FIND HER OR NOT! The writers didn't create enough of a strong character attachment in the mom OR the daughter for me to have a vested interest. <p> That's the bigger problem.
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Hell on Wheels is better, even if it did get shit on by everyone. But, that's how terrible TWD is, and that's how much people are mindlessly hyped for it, for some embarrassingly dumb reason.
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Being an avid reader and lover of the comic I find myself hating and loving a lot o things in the show It's odd how much you like Shane in this show in the comic he was such an asshole you hated him instantly but in the show you see that his intentions were just to keep people safe but seeing him lose his shit was awesome! The thing I hate most about this show is Andrea in the comic she in her mid 20s in this show she's in her 40s WTF not only that she's a whining complaining bitch who doesn't shut the fuck up when she should wish she wouldve shot herself Hope the show gets to comic status but the way it's going I doubt it. trying to enjoy it as it's own entity but the comic is just so damn good. wish they wouldve gone the sin city route and just did it panel for panel
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I'd rather watch the sexy Indian girl on The Good Wife.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST
for those somehow claiming it isn't slow, or using the comic to justify the pace...
by BadMrWonka
Remember that in the comic, they had left Hershel's farm BY THE FUCKING 12TH ISSUE. This upcoming episode of the show is the 11th episode. That means (unless there's a miracle), if we assume they have t least 3 more episodes here at the farm, THE SHOW IS GOING SLOWER THAN THE COMIC, EPISODE-PRE-ISSUE. If you take into the fact everything that they CUT OUT of the comic (which I'm fine with, they have to keep the pace up right? lol), then this is RIDICULOUSLY drawn out. This show has dragged the Sophia issue out for WAY too long, they've barely hinted at the big reveal about Hershel's farm, and with the exception of Shane (and I suppose, him showing Whineypants how to shoot, or promising to), NONE of the characters have shown any hints of truly changing. Lori made a little move to the dark side, but of course she's right back on track now. Rick just looks sweaty and worried. I am willing to stick with this show, because I want to support things like this, but let's face it, Darabont's departure, budget issues, whatever...whatever the fault, this season is BRUTALLY slow and so painfully unwilling to move the characters forward at all, it's just excruciating. For every interesting moment, we have 5 moments that don't make sense, or aren't needed, or are just pure and simple filler to take up time in the episode. I'm really hoping that this episode gets things back on track, but reading this article and the invisotext, I'm thinking at the end of this episode, we're going to be EXACTLY where we started, with the exception of one character trying to get the upper hand, so to speak. Sophia's disappearance should have been, AT MOST, a 3 episode arc. The fact that this is still going on is just a pitifully obvious tactic to drag out the stuff on the farm for as many (cheap to produce) episodes as they can. I know budgets are tough, but this show had some of the highest ratings ever on cable, and they took the built-in audience for granted. This is the result, and it's pretty fucking aggravating.
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I didn't read the comic, I'm not going to read the comic, I don't give a shit about how faithful the show is to the comic. They're two separate pieces of media. And right now, inside or outside the context of the comic, the show is ponderous. I spend the 40 minutes it takes to run through the DVR copy each week but Jebus, if you're not going to have zombies in your zombie show at least make me care about some of the characters.
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But I am curious on how they are going to adapt Laurie's pregnancy. One can only hope they go the route of the comic, which left me with my jaw wide open. The show has a lot of great places it can go, Governor anyone?
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Nov. 13, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
regarding the "spoilers Ahead" ; that bit you did for "Justified"
by jupiterjim
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Nov. 13, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST
regarding the "spoilers Ahead" ; that bit you did for "Justified"
by jupiterjim
I liked the script lines you threw out for everyone to read and you had to catch them during the episode...that made everyone pay attention a little more.....I used to copy the lines and forward them to co coworkers and we would discuss the next day
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they should just kill everyone off except norman reedus and michael rooker.
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I still dig the show, but man... I don't care about this stupid little girl anymore. I like that it's given us more with Daryl. I could watch him tensely wander the woods for forty minutes. So pissed if he dies tonight. So. Pissed.
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I couldn't give a fuck if TWD went an entire episode without one single zombie. I couldn't give a fuck if they spend most of this season on the farm. Yes, Carl is shot, Sophia missing, Rick low on blood, etc, they can't go anywhere. I understand the plot just fine. I like good character drama. S2 is not good character drama. Unfortunately, the writing and directing has turned what could have been interesting in something that's so fucking boring and predictable and uninteresting, it's like watching paint dry. TWD is heading for an early grave, it's not going to rise up from the dead. Yeah, a third season is greenlit, but if the show keeps plummeting like season 2 of Heroes, then it's in a lot of trouble. Memo to the writers -- you do not have The Wire in your CV. Quick trying to be Lost 2.0, and work harder to be The Walking Dead.
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glad i'm not a writer
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Nov. 13, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST
I've come to expect the people on here to complain about anything and everything.
by Voice O. Reason
Especially if it is popular. My advice is to ignore anyone who limits their argument to subjective, blanket statements and just read for the spoilers and/or funny comments.
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....can't argue with that logic in trying to admonish a guy who just boned the daughter of your host. In fact you could even easily use that line to get a girl in a post-apocalyptic world over-run by Zombies:- "We could both be dead tomorrow; who are you saving yourself for, exactly?"
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Nov. 13, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST
Have they tried logging onto Twitter yet in order to make contact with others?
by whatevillurks
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if you actually take notice of the criticism, not just here but elsewhere (and not forum talkbackers, but people who know what they're talking about), you'll know that it's not the plot per se that people are complaining about -- it's how the plot is presented. no amount of apologism or "you idiots just want zombie action" self-righteousness can change the fact that season two has been boring, uninspiring, predictable, and just not very interesting. The plot is not the problem. It's how the plot is written and presented that is the problem.
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yep, because Carl getting shot, and Shane killing Otis in that fashion, was boring, uninspired, and predictable. Seriously, why the fuck do you watch it. Just so you can log on here, and complain? So you can be "different" in the fact that it's a popular, well received show. You get off, on being a contrarian? I guess society wouldn't be as interesting without people who constantly go out of their way to be different and rub people's face in it.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
Chief Brody, it just tells us you have the attention span of a ADD 10 year old hopped up on Mountain Dew, and Pixie Sticks.
by Nick
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They are in the heat of Atlanta and the zombies don't take in fluids! The "Zombie Apocalypse," would be over in a week.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST
Fucking hilarious when people come on this talkback, and bitch about a show they actually watch every fucking week. Are You All retarded?
by halowiscious
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but factor in the humidity and they might last two weeks. I am just waiting for the starving packs of pitbulls to be hunting down the zombies and fucking them up.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
Sorry, that would be even more disgraceful to retarded people.
by halowiscious
Sorry to the retarded people of the world. I meant no disrespect, but if you really wanna get to the bottom of it, most of the mothers of these cocksmokers here should have closed their legs. Save the world from uptight losers with absolutely no patience, no class, and absolutely no brains. Eat Shit.
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Also, judging from the blood the zombies expunge, there is also no oxygen entering their system so I guess the move by magic. Not to mention why the zombies don't explode due to an insatiable appetite and no digestive system.
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this episode sealed it. absolutely nothing happened.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST
if you think nothing happened... run into a knife head first. Do society a favor.
by Nick
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Im glad it gave her and Dale a nice moment and helps to rebuild their relationship. But man, Rick or Shane should have bitched her out for proving their fears: that she's just trigger-happy, that it's a bad idea for newbies to have guns, that the amateurs just make everyone less safe. I really wanted to see that scene. And then have Dale cheer her up. Infuriating bitch. Man.
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into a knife.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 9:24 p.m. CST
Claire was lost for quite a few episodes on Season One of LOST
by D.Vader
And people complained when characters on the show seemed to forget about her and stopped looking and went back to their happy moments on the Island. Then we've got people complaining that on The Walking Dead they're looking too much. Note to future screenwriters: if you decide to have a character go missing on your show for a certain amount of episodes, it's gonna be a lose-lose situation for you. Expect insults either way.
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One issue of the comic does not = one hour long episode of tv. It doesn't work that way, and it shouldn't work that way.
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You mean, the useful guy who saved the black guy twice and actually does something constructive besides sit around and wax philosophical all day?
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I too could watch a lot more of Daryl tensely riding around the woods looking for Sophia, checking out old abandoned houses and eating squirrels along the way.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST
So do you losers call up your exgirlfriend just to tell her you aren't thinking about her...
by maverick68
Sort of the same mentality as spending so much time railing against something you don't care for. Wait, did I just assume you guys could actually get a girl?
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and I read the comics, so there's that. Next week, I expect for shit to say 'howdy' to the fan in regards to Hershel's li'l secret. And if I were Glenn, I'm pretty sure I would work keeping said secret to my advantage. Nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more....
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.....assume that these guys would be able to get a metaphor. Especially one that involves them having to imagine having a girlfriend That's much worse.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST
wah Walking Dead doesn't have enough car chases and explosions
by smackfu
and why don't any of these people know kung fu? It would be cool if the zombies learned how to use ninja swords, and then there was like this big huge battle scene with like 200 sword wielding zombies vs the survivors, and there would be bullet time action and like shot after shot of decapitations. Totally with you guys on this 'walking dead is too boring' thing. Hopefully the show runners hear your feedback, and resolve to make the show as shitty as everything else thats' on tv right now by amping up the zaz, and maybe adding a Poochie character or two.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST
So they're still on the fucking farm and looking for the kid?!?
by Isaac R.
Whatever, I'll pass.
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Badass squirrel-guts-eating, zombie-ear-necklace wearing, Michael Rooker insulting motherfucker.
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If they change the title to DARYL DIXON DOES SHIT for season 3, I'd be on-board.
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I just fucking laughed out loud and spit on my computer screen. "DARYL DIXON DOES SHIT" I'm there.
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Spontaneous fluid expulsion is high praise. And let me just say this: Daryl better be the last man standing when this thing ends. I don't think there's another single character that could beat/stab a zombie to 'death' with a STICK and then remove an arrow from their side, load it onto a crossbow and make an accurate head-shot on a second walker. Oh yeah....THEN he takes a grazing head-shot. Daryl Dixon.....saying "FUCK YOU" to death with style.
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another vote for "Daryl Dixon Does Shit"
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Nov. 13, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST
I'm just upset the ear necklace was killed before it really had a chance to shine
by D.Vader
I feel that's not the last we see of it, though...
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Daryl- "That's the 3rd time you've pointed a gun in my face. Are you gonna finally shoot me or what?" *BAM! Daryl is felled to the ground by a bullet that grazes his temple.* *in a daze as the others pick him up* Daryl- "...I wasn't being serious..."
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in the development of the 'comic canon' characters with that of Daryl. As one who read the comics for a good long while, I can honestly understand and see why the 'established' characters are still at their respective points. Daryl, who is a 'new' character, is vastly more complex to me. As is Shane, who has thus far outlived his counterpart. This isn't necessarily a complaint, as I know (perhaps) where a lot of the 'originals' are heading. In the word of Yoda: "Patience!". Really....we're only 2, maybe 3 weeks in since Rick joined the group outside of Atlanta. In THE WALKING DEAD timeline....that's not very long. Already, Rick is doubting his outlook, Andrea has gone from suicidal to horrified that she almost killed Daryl, Dale is a bit more than the older, sage-like character of the book....there's a lot to like.
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I'll get the next round. And the squirrel stew's on me.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST
Wow we learned a little more about these characters...
by JudasPriestly
Who gives a shit?!
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if you think TWD season 2 is worthy of Emmy awards, the paint must be very interesting in your house. I've said it a thousand fucking times -- I like good character drama. And I'll say this a thousand more fucking times -- TWD SEASON 2 IS NOT GOOD CHARACTER DRAMA. It is fucking boring, uninspiring, predictable, and amateurish. I keep watching because there are nuggets of a good show in all that crap, and because of the Darabont situation and a new writing team, the show deserves the benefit of the doubt and a chance to find its feet. But after 5 episodes... stop wasting our fucking time by stretching 4 episodes of story into a 13 episode season arc!!! There is so much fucking filler, and I have no interest anymore in digging through the crap for the odd nugget of genius television drama. So if you want to shovel through crap with a smile and praise the producers of TWD season 2 as being worthy of Emmy awards... here's the shovel. Have fun.
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The Walking Dead is the perfect show for our hectic lives. You don't need to TIVO it. You don't even have to watch it every week. You can miss three episodes in a row and not miss a thing. You can revisit the show any time it's convenient for you, and the same characters will be in the same place doing the same things, just like momma's afternoon soaps. I'm loving this.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST
And another thing why TWD is losing me, re zombie in the well
by Wookie_Weed
Who the fuck would want to drink water that a zombie has been sitting in? When there are three other wells on the property that are fit to drink from? But no, the writers, in their infinite wisdom, force the dorky Asian guy into the well... even though the characters are smart enough to know how stupid it is. Even though the characters would say, "no fucking way, let's just use another well". But the writers forced the scene just to create a scary moment (that even Blind Freddy could see coming). *That* scene is fucking amateur hour. There have been too many of these scenes this season, forced stupidity as a plot device (let's stand right next to the source of the bell, but no, it can't be this church because it doesn't have a steeple... are you fucking kidding me?). These forced plot devices have made the characters infuriatingly inconsistent, unrealistic, and fucking schizophrenic, and it pisses me off. TWD has a good cast, interesting characters... and the writers are pissing it all away. I want to see consistent character development. So far this season, half the characters don't know whether they're Arthur or Martha...
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I'd pay to see Daryl sneaking through the woods hunting squirrels and finding interesting shit in abandoned houses. It's the only thing TWD has got right this season.
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I want to say that we as viewers should have known about the barn zombies by now.
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Great character (and the only non-annoying character) and a really good performance.
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Nov. 13, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST
Daryl is the best thing about TWD! And I would so fuck Andrea and Aisha!
by HollywoodHellraiser
Ok about fucking the 2 babes; Andrea is a alittle rash and annoying but she look good tonight. And Aisha is not only a funny comedian but she hot and a fucking gamer! That cool in my book! Now about Daryl! That motherfucker rules!!! He's really the only best thing about this series! Oh and Glen is the Jackie Chan of the series except he doesn't know any martial arts but bumbles his way in this shit! Tonite ep was easily saved by Daryl and Merle!
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Decent episode. Still tired of the HUNT FOR DEAD SOPHIA, but indeed, Darly Dixon Did Shit, and it was good. Glad they got into the barn finally.
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Although now I want to call him "Darly". Not to his face, of course.
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The comic gets the same complaints. I still remember the hundreds of fans bitching about the prison arc. The Walking Dead isn't really huge of action. usually there's a slow buildup (the current community arc), and then something huge happens that changes everything.
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Next week's episode will be 45 minutes of Rick struggling to taking a dump.
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This site seriously needs an edit button.
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is an ADD-addled retarded chimp whose comments about said show should be ignored and rendered meaningless. Thank you for outing yourselves. How the FUCK can you complain about plotholes and shit not making sense if you're zipping through the show to get to the action scenes? You are the lowest form of TV viewer and should probably stick to watching reality shows, Michael Bay movies, and The Expendables. To the guy who claimed that the comics are all about action set-pieces, it's obvious you never read the books or, at best, you skimmed through the collections in a bookstore. They're all about the slow build, working up to big moments like the reveal of the zombies in the barn. I love the fact that the show has lingered so long at the farm because IT'S REALISTIC. Why would you want to leave that place, especially with one kid in a near-coma and another one lost somewhere in the area? Ad now with Darryl getting the Dick Cheney treatment, it would make no sense for them to just suddenly take off for Parts Unknown. You internet tough-guy survivalists crack me up with your theoretical plans of action that you concoct in order to criticize the show. Get real. People make stupid choices all the time now... imagine the mental strain of the zombie apocalypse scenario and how that would effect the majority's decision-making process. Some people react well under pressure, but most would lose their shit and turn into total mouthbreathers. You may now return to your regularly scheduled weekly bitchfest.
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This show however...
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IT DESERVES TO WIN A MILLION EMMY'S!!! AND THEY NEED TO GIVE IT A THEATRICAL RUN SO IT CAN WIN ALL THE OSCARS!!!! AND THE SOUNDTRACK SHOULD WIN LIKE A THOUSAND GRAMMY'S!!! INCLUDING BEST NEW HIP-HOP(they could remix the theme song into a zombie rap)!!!!!!! UR ALL JIST JELLOUS HATERZ WHO WISH U WERE ZOMBIES SO U COULD EAT ME!!!!!
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http://articulationtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/1DEADTVdarylPACK.jpg I'm thinking... YES.
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A bunch of filler followed by 30 seconds of something interested left as a cliffhanger.
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He taught him well.
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Trust me...I dont have a drop of ADD in me. I sat through 6 long seasons of LOST from beginning to end...LIVE....no DVRing. I never once even THOUGHT of DVRing it. <p> Were there moments where I wish I could have? Maybe the 4 episode arc when they were locked up in the animal cages while vamping for ABC to give them an end date. But that's about it. Why? <p> Because I fuckin CARED about ALL the characters. I was engrossed by every plot turn. LOST always zigged when I was ready for a ZAG! <p> The Walking Dead doesn't know HOW to ZIG let alone zag. It lurches forward like a goddamn Romero zombie. NOTHING has shocked or surprised me in the least. Fast forwarding or not. <p> I gave TWD a shot to capture me in the 1st season...I sat thru the whole first season w/o fast forwarding. Trying desperately to find some attachment to these characters...to find something to like or root for. I never read the comic (although I'm an avid reader...a new novel every 3 weeks on the average, thank you)... cuz have no interest in the damn comic. I wanted this story to grab me INDEPENDENT of the comic everyone keeps raving about. <p> But, I wrote off Season 1 as a "setting up the post apocalyptic universe" experiment...and I'd start feeling more attached to the characters in Season 2. <p> 5 episodes in? I'm still not eating it up like yummy afterbirth yet. But...I WANT TO!! There's a shell of a great series here!! I keep hoping it hits its stride, and stop repeating the same conversations over & over again...or prolonging a particular storyline to the point of ADD nauseum. (See what I did there? A-D-D? Get it? Ha!) <p> Anyways...yeah...so I fast forward through the scenes where they are not zigging OR zagging. <p> Sue me.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 3:14 a.m. CST
I concur in that Daryl is the best character right now
by American Mythos
I still can't wait for the real Merle to return for revenge and see the obvious conflicts that will arise in Daryl. That better happen this season. I have a few complaints about this show but nothing to stop me from watching, but, if I had to state one major complaint it's the absence of compelling characters that were already established. The father and son from the pilot and Merle Dixon. Bring them back already!
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Nov. 14, 2011, 3:15 a.m. CST
Been said well enough by everyone above; good EP, shoule have been greatly condensed so far, still some issues
by E. D.
The filler and extra commercial time are negating what would be a fine pace...if this EP was the second one of the season. Everything up until now should have encompassed a sort of "2-part farm" pair of EPs. I would really like to know if the Darabont camp, or the other camp, were at odds with things like the pace, staying at the farm this long, etc. Because I can see Darabont saying "Hell no you can't sit at the farm this long, the audience will say the show is too slowly paced and I wouldn't blame them. You might save budget but the show will suffer for it. You are already shoving more commercial time down their throats this season since you can, so don't fuck it up even more." Still some dumb moments, but less intrusive this EP: 1. Couldn't you come up with a more normal, plausible reason for Andrea to try shooting Dale? The lens flare was laughable. 2. Dale's face and general appearance clearly wasn't "zombiefied" when he reached the hill summit, as in the blood on the face, as if it was in his mouht, etc. Guess he bit his tongue a lot on the walk back eh. 3. Since the 3 men were squarely between Andrea and Dale after running directly at Dale and then stopping next to him, at a few hundred yards, she really must have felt like quite the sniper to try hitting him THROUGH them. With the sun in her eyes :):). 4. Glenn goes in tothe rear upper barn, gets their attention, leaves out the rear upper barn, yet the zombies suddenly start banging on the front door?? They know what "front door" means now? They would only go towards the back. And if they are so spooked to bang on the FRONT DOOR for that, you are telling me no noise has been made by them for all the days they have been at the farm? Still, a better EP than the ones preceding it - just codense it into a couple EPs and we have a winner.
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He's been the surprise of the show for me, there should be more focus on him. I'm hoping he doesn't get offed soon, but since he isn't in the original books/comics/whatever you want to call them anything can happen. But he seems like the only character that's really working. To answer one of the rants above, the reason they wanted to get the zombie out of the well was because all the wells on the farm shared the same aquifer, so a dead body in one of the wells decomposing could eventually poison all of the wells. I figured before the season started that they were going to spend most of the season at the farmhouse, but I wish they wouldn't. The whole farmhouse storyline was probably my least favorite part of the story. Kinda impatient for them to get on with it to the next portion, but I'm guessing that won't be until next season.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST
YEah, I was looking for a place to have dinner last night, just driving around...
by mdk
...I knew there was a Jersey Mike's down the road somewhere nearby, I thought there was one down the road I was on about 200 yards away. I looked, but dammit, couldn't find it. Damn lens flare was in the way!
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And how the fuck was Glen supposed to be scared of that stuck, rubbery fucker? The show, which has moments of dark brilliance, is such a mixed bag! Come on, guys! Sort your shit out! That barn had better be worth it.....
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...should have a professional moderator who knows something about the subject the forum is dealing with and who should have the power to silence any moron by deleting his or her post before anyone else has the chance to see it. Because these talkback things give freedom of speech a bad rap. I mean, really.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST
"WaD" is the worst television catastrophe in the last 100 years
by altoandando
It's official. It doesn't get much worse than this. It's not just the BAD that's so bad, it's the horribly squandered potential. Everyone involved with this shall bear its taint till the end of their days.
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Speaking of freedom of speech, shut the fuck up. Just kidding!
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Nov. 14, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST
I'm going to buy that Daryl and have him face-off against a life-sized squirrel.
by blackwood
And I of course will post pictures of the resulting carnage. Little Daryl can take him, I think.
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Including my sisters who are 30something housewives, their teenage kids, my almost elderly mom, cousins, brother, brother's kids, neighbors, my best friends and their families... The only time I hear anything bad about the show is when I come here to read the talkbacks. Most of you trolling douchebags are deluded and out of touch with reality. I think you should break your TVs and stop being a stain on our culture.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST
Amen mugato5150, enough comic whining. But, on the upside...
by impossibledreamers
The clips for next week show that the farm life is about to come to an abrupt end. Someone's gonna' let the cat... or zombies... out of the bag. The fact that Michael was mum about Merle on Talking Dead means that he will like make some non-delusion appearance in the future. Only question I have... If Shane was outside of Atlanta when they firebombed it, did I miss him telling Rick that the military did that? Because it seems like that would have stopped the whole - lets go to the CDC thing - seeing the city set ablaze like that. And then why wasn't everything all KFC crispy when they did go to the CDC? Was that not Atlanta at all then?
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It's clear that because of budget issues they are stretching every idea, situation and dialogue scene to interminable lengths just to fill time and save dollars. The story is going nowhere. No wonder Darabont left.
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this show got turned on faster than "Heroes" ... not that they both didn't deserve it. I get the counter argument that it's telling a story and all the ADD whining be damned ... but that ignores the simple fact that it's the ADDers who make up the overwhelming majority of viewers and the show goes as they do; no matter how good the writing/storytelling ... just ask the folks over at "Rubicon" Anyway: if TWD can survive the drops in viewership long enough for The Governor; I think rating will increase again
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the show needs to be able to stand on its own. From what I can surmise, it seems to me some of the deviations work (Daryl), some don't (Sophia, T-Dog). I'm glad it appears they left the part with the barn intact, but next week will tell. Rooker's a badass. He alone helped elevate the episode a bit. They could do a spinoff with the brothers and it would be fantastic. The bit with Andrea illustrates one of the problems with the show; you can see how the carefully set this moment up, but in the end, it didn't pay off in the way it was executed. You've got four of your own group running toward a single zombie, and you still take the shot? She was just as likely to shoot one of them. Of course, the character had to, as the punchline just to complete the joke, but it felt forced, and didn't ring true. There's a lot of irrational (and unjustified) hate for the show, but it's not that bad. OTOH, it's not a great show, mostly mediocre, but the potential is there. It's so frustrating because they just can't seem to execute. The upheaval behind the scenes surely didn't help, but if any show calls for a retooling, it's this one. They just have to find the right people, and there should be no sacred cows, either behind the camera, or in front of it.
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Daryl is one bad ass country boy. Zombie jewelry, squirrel sushi, climbing that cliff TWICE with an arrow in his side, and to cap it off a bullet graze on his temple. You think you've had tough days. Plus he found the first evidence that Sophia might be alive. Oh yeah zombie barn ho down had better get explained in the first five minutes of the next ep.
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This show sucks....boring as hell.....terrible writing....terrible this...this sucks....this character sucks BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Stop watching the show, it's that simple. You hate a show, you stop watching it. Period. Stop coming here to bitch about how bad the show is week after week. Change the fucking channel assholes. Christ that's all this site is now, people coming on to talk about how much they hate something. Piss off and let the people who DO like it talk about it, go cry someplace else. It's obvious you gave the show a chance, fine. You don't like it, fine, so move the fuck on.
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Loved the first season always came here for the talkbacks for it. Second season 6 episodes in I couldn't take it anymore. Stopped watching, stopped posting comments on how bad it was period.
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Nice to see a rational mind at work in here, it's so rare on this site I didn't think they actually existed anymore. Not that any rational person doesn't have bouts of irrationality, but irrationality is the standard on this site.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST
You worthless feeders and breeders had better acquire some real world skills..
by maverick68
other than living in Mom's basement and critiquing television shows, cuz' if the shit ever came down, you'll be well bait.
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and channel Burt Reynolds ala "Deliverance".
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You're all just empowering each other now.
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Daryl is so compelling to watch. I was cringing for a while there. Enjoying this season so far. Can't wait to see where it goes...
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Nov. 14, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST
TWD seems to be appealing much more to people who don't typically like, watch or care for the zombie drama...
by Jim Jam Bongs
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I was excited when I first heard about The Walking Dead being turned into a television show. I started to lose hope when I heard it would be on AMC and don't get me wrong, the first season was alright, but having source material like TWD comics and turning out just alright isn't right. I am not a fan of the changes. I am not a fan of the new characters when the book has so many great ones to begin with. I will say however that I love Daryl. He is the only change from book to show that I love. If they had followed the comic more closely I would have been happy. They wouldn't need a huge budget and shouldn't need one. The book is very character driven and I don't see the need for a huge budget for that. The second season has been nothing but disappointment after disappointment. They show has no pace, and like many others here I am baffled about why they are dragging out Sophia being missing when it never even happened in the books. BORING. I have read these books since issue one and still read it every month. Unless something changes with the show however I will be skipping it soon. Follow the source material man. I am open to changes but the book is perfect and the pace is usually steady. Fans of the book are waiting to see characters who should have already shown up and for others who should have died to kick it already. I knew this would happen and excuse me for being a fan of the book and not understand why you would stray when you have 90 issues worth of great story. Whatever...I ramble, it's why I don't write in these things too often.
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Time to go pop some popcorn
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thought some of you might like to know.
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Just a thought. If you don't have to follow canon but just twist it a bit. What if Merle is the Governor? And Sophia is the kid in his apartment? It would be a nice holy shit moment.
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I choked through falling skies, maybe that's why TWD doesn't bother me. I've seen the face of truely bad.
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This is by far the BEST zombie television show evar!!
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or just stuck in a time loop. Front page and category pages are from six days ago. The only way to reach newer entries is from the Top TV box. Yee Ha.
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And how apt. No edits.
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Aint no woodchucks in Georgia. Dem's beavers.
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I wasn't saying it should, only implying that if this pace keeps up, the show will catch up with the comics in like 15 seasons. I'm only trying to point out how painfully obvious it is that the show is dragging. They cut out half the comics, yet seem like they're moving at half the pace.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST
as u guys can see, there are plenty of folks who like twd just fine, making the possibilty of marked improvements pretty low.
by dahveed1972
Apparently the bar for horror shows is pretty low. Hence the long runs of shows like supernatural and charmed.
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That's really not a Horror show, please use a better example.
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Sunday's most recent episode, "Chupacabra" was excellent. Please put me in the "Daryl Dixon Does Shit" camp as a surefire way for redeeming the show. Although as Daryl is a character not in the books, anything can happen. He's in a bad way and with the zombies no doubt coming out of the barn next episode, Daryl could very well go down. As for the rest of the show, don't write it off. For those of us still paying attention, the building tension between Shane and Rick, plus Lori's pregnancy and Glen and Maggie's relationship, there's still plenty to develop. The show suffers it's pacing problems, but I'm not giving up just yet.
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I agree man, stupidest thing I've seen on this show by a long shot. "We can't shoot him, we'll infect the water." A. The thing is already oozing and bleeding into the water B. Even if it wasn't, who the FUCK would drink water that a bloated zombie was standing in for a month. Anyway, I think it's a fun show. I understand the hate, I understand the love. I just wish people I knew (in real life, not talkback) didn't praise it so overwhelmingly. I need to find a balance between talkbacker hatred and undying love.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST
That was the most boring and uninteresting clip I have ever seen.
by Breotan
Are they trying to drive viewers away? Even Terra Nova doesn't do clips this monotonous.
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then you just know it must be pretty good...
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tempted to get the comics to see what all the fuss is about... but didn't Kirkman indicate that they were not intending to pursue that storyline in the show? I thought I remembered him saying that during the first Talking Dead ep.
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. You continue to watch and a show you claim to despise. If I see you on here next week, bitching about how shitty that week's episode was, I'll know you're one of two things: insane, or completely full of shit. I suspect the latter, along with most of the mindless bandwagoners on this TB.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST
themeofme, I don't have anything against anyone who doesn't like the show
by Mattman
What makes you a hypocritical troll is you keep watching it despite claiming to hate it. Quite simple, really.
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They're not easy to miss, especially when you type in screaming CAPSLOCK. But it still comes down to the fact that you claim to hate the show yet continue to watch it. So basically you enjoy banging your head against a wall repeatedly. Got it. Understood. You're either crazy or a liar.
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A troll knows how to rile people up and doesn't let small shit get to him/her. Can't say the same of you. See ya next week.
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You have been misinformed. That is not the definition of insanity.
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Is set by AMERICAN HORROR STORY. And it's pulled a SPARTACUS, imho. Last week's episode was more or less perfect.
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Hallelujah.
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Nov. 14, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST
Fuck it. Kill the old man and take over the farm. Hot daughter becomes the community cum bucket and Daryl hunts squirrel for dinner every night.
by Isaac R.
Problem solved.
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"Fucking morons don't deserve the air you breathe. Do the world a favor and die in a car accident or something." Really?? I don't give a flying fuck who you might be aiming that vile, sad, hatred at but you are in desperate need of a time out little girl. Grow up...wishing death upon people you don't know for reasons as childish as a differing opinion.....really? TAKE YOUR MEDS!!! If you don't have them you should look into it. I agree with Mattman...except I don't think that you are EITHER crazy or a liar, I'm pretty sure it's both.
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Don't get me wrong, I still very much enjoy this show but every time it has an opportunity to turn the show on its head (like the comic) it fails. In season 1, I thought for sure that Carl was going to shoot Shane but I can understand why that hasn't (yet, hopefully) happened Carl getting shot and pulling through. I know the emotional arc of the show is Carl and Rick but what was the point of this? But this past episode... Shooting Daryl in the head and not having the payoff. The comic would have done it and never looked back. The only "shocking" thing that happened this season were Shane's actions when getting the meds for Carl. Even then, all they did was kill off a bit player that was introduced only to be killed. I really hope that this season gets a little tighter and shocks us with some real twists and a reckless disregard for ALL the characters. I want to feel like anyone can and will die at any moment. Everything to this point has felt staged. This is truly the point in the comic where the shit would hit the fan. Lets hope it does and soon. I say all this but still I watch and still I enjoy it. Go figure.
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"I almost feel as if that arrow is a part of me." ...........yeah.....that just happened.
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All to make him appear as a zombie so he'd get shot. What a boring, lazy interlude. They need to find Sophia (another drawn-out filler subplot) and Fearless Leader's hot wife needs to just spill the beans already. Also, how the hell were those zombies so quiet that nobody heard them this whole time? So bad. If I had a life, I'd stop watching, but I need the distraction.
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The only hope for this show, which went off the rails this season, is for a complete purge of the writing staff, starting with show runner Glen Mazzara. Mazarra's clearly out of his depth when it comes to genre material. His background is talky cop shows with soap opera plotting. That's not to say that last season was any great shakes--apart from the excellent pilot episode, season one was rather dull and sometimes ludicrous. (The episode about the Latino gangsters what love their grandparents was particularly awful... and written by TWD comic book creator Kirkman, so there's blame to go around). But season two has been a disaster on multiple fronts: the on-the-nose dialog and soapy "human relationship" scenes (which don't really do much to develop character), the continuity problems, the logic fails (so entertainingly itemized by "haters" in this talkback), the snail's pace of the plot (yes, likely due to AMC cutting the budget, thus forcing the show to stay on that farm for half a season), etc. I'm a sucker for punishment, so I'll probably watch one more episode, just to see if they get the hell off that boring farm and maybe discover the magic of a forward-moving plot.
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I can appreciate a suspenseful slow pace. but you know when they get to the prison, you complaining motherfuckers are gonna shit your pants. SPOILER That prison shit is gonna last like four years
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...(which someone else pointed out to me two weeks ago), is that we want SO BADLY for it to be good! That's why the 'haters' keep watching. You can see it in there somewhere - there's a good show trying to get out. Yeah, you gotta look through a lot of lens flare to see it, but it's in there. While I agree the pace is lagging, I think we'll start to see the shit hit the fan now that we know about the walkers in the barn. And Daryl does indeed 'do shit'! He's been my favorite character now for weeks. Bust out the 'What Would Daryl Do?' or 'Daryl is my Homeboy' shirts immediately! (Get on it AMC merchandising pimps!) I've said before, I'm in for the long haul: most shows don't really start to click until season 3 or so, and after the Darabont/writers thing it may take a bit longer (I certainly hope not, though). And as an aside, I recently watched Darabont's adaptation of Stephen King's 'The Mist', and was pleasantly surprised to see several TWD cast members in it! And holy shit! The ending (which I won't spoil here for those who may not have seen it) was one of the most disturbing finishes to a film I have seen in some time. I have to say that I have a new found respect for Thomas Jane after seeing it. He really delivered, at least at the end of the film. I'd like to see that kind of effort on TWD. While I liked it, I don't know that I could go back and revisit it any time soon - it stayed with me for some time afterwards. Such despair. A true 'Horror' film.
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Maybe Darabont wanted to have whatsername with the rifle kill Daryl after that great tale of survival. But after viewing the episodes the suits wanted to save Daryl, because he was the breakout character. And that was the sticking point. Maybe?
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Darabont has been off the show for the past few episodes. His storyline is all over this. He didn't depart until this past episode, 5. Things actually sort of improved, I think. They added some depth to a character who is already multi-faceted. Should they be moving on? Yes. But I suspect that will be happening without very much choice on the behalf of the group, even though it's the right choice.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST
songfighter, go look it up one more time just to be certain
by Mattman
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You're probably right. At any rate, he seems to have retreated to lick his popped blood-vessels.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST
I read all of the comics over the last couple of days *potentially some spoilers*
by rakesh patel
The comics are great, there's a wealth of material to use. Which is why im wondering exactly why are we stuck in the farm for so long. It seems Shane has become more Rick Grimes then Rick has. Rick slow decent into "i will do anything to save my family" hasn't started. Shane on the other hand gets it. His conversation with rick in the woods seals it. He understands its kill or be killed (especially with the offing of Otis) Rick still sees everything in black and white. I can see parallels with lost with the prison and gated community. Like lost is needs to grow some balls and start offing some characters, for new ones to come in. T-Dog and Carol are obvious choices, none really adds to group dynamic. Sophia should die. It's a fucking zombie wasteland out there. No kid is gonna survive for 3 days. To be honest i could do without Dale and Andrea. half the cast could be killed and i wouldn't give a shit. firstly it's because no one is invested in their character and secondly it might pick up the pace. This ep I found tedious. I honestly felt like one of the guests at the dinner table. Just fucking awkward.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST
I just finished watching season 1 and will not watch any further...
by uberfreak
Horrible acting. Horrible dialog.. good zombie effects.... terrible CG.
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No need for me to look it up. I'm already familiar with that often misattributed quote. You can't tell somebody that they're insane by definition and then quote a made up definition as evidence.
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Day 3 of your daughter being in the wild. Do You a) Man the fuck up and search for her yourself b) force everyone on the farm to look for her c) do the washing and cook dinner as a thank you to everybody for not finding your (now) zombie daughter. You and a couple of guys decide to search in the woods. do you a) gather everyone at dawn and search b) get the men to search the area where the doll was found. c) shoehorn in the word "Chupacabra" cause it's the episode title. A zombie comes into your camp. do you a) send out men to kill it, save a bullet b) shoot it with your rifle without identifying it as a zombie c) shoot it with a rifle , whilst the men are 2 meters away from it, endangering everyone.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST
maverick68 - it's racially insensitive to call that character "the black guy" ...."
by MoneyGrabSequel
please address him by his non-stereotypical name...T-Dawg.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST
Second season is so much better than the first I can't believe it.
by moorE12
People talk about nothing happening, blah blah blah. We are getting to know the characters more. Some characters are, not all are growing and changing. Who would have guess that they would carry Andrea's suicide over from the first season. And Shane is one of the most interesting characters. Starting the past couple of episodes with a Shane flashback is a great way to understanding his character. First we see him have to deal with Rick getting shot and telling Lori. Then he has to deal with Carl getting shot, and stepping up to deal with that situation. He is by far the most complicated character in the show. It's a shame that he has to die. I know I will get shit for this, but sometimes I think flashbacks would help flesh out these characters more.
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"C'mon, somebody here must know how to play guitar." "Otis was good at it." WAH-WAH-WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Nov. 15, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST
Shane's wig looked pretty good...but you could still tell
by MoneyGrabSequel
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Sure I want to see them rack of frequent flyer miles so I can see how zombies look everywhere in the world. At the same time I like the slice of life of just seeing what's going on with just this one little farm. It's almost like how "Independence Day" and "Signs" both deal with large alien invasions but one deals with a huge enseble and the other is just what happened to one little family. Long story short, I dig it. I would also like to say I hope they find the little girl as a zombie or just bitten. That would be ballsy and awesomely dark. With that said, that's a hard place to go for any TV show. BTW, if anyone watches "Dexter" they probably noticed that both this show and that one dealt with main characters hallucinating about a brother giving them life advice. Just thought I'd put that out there.
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If you didn't know, you wouldn't notice.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST
its obvious theyve kept shane around so rick could keep his soul for a while longer
by dahveed1972
Kinda makes me sympathize more with Shane. And be annoyed by rick and his wife. Maybe that was the point I guess the writers have decided that following the comic too closely would cause us to turn on certain characters. If I hadn't watched the sopranos or breaking bad id probably agree with em. I also realized I was rooting for daryl to not die or be dead last ep because he was the least annoying character. And the writers obliged me. Guess I should be grateful, but this only illustrated the fact that the show at its core has Almost nothing in common w the comic.
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Really have to die? Just because he does in the comic doesn't mean they will do it on the show right? I hope they don't kill him off, he adds a lot to the show IMO.
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You're taking me too literally.
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I'm friggin loving every episode. Darryl is the man !
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I can't believe I am the first one to throw that out there.
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Haha, that one took me a minute... nice.
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I hope he sticks around too. Have Rick and Lori already forgotten that without Shane, their kid would be fucking dead? They were such dicks to him this episode.
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What the hell is the holdup? Somebody is pregnant? Who gives a sh? Daryl is great though. Keep more of that and this thing will survive. And my god. No more stories from the old guy in the hat. G dam! Every time that guy opens his mouth the show stops dead in its tracks. "Ya know,my great grandma..... long ago... said.... that... if .. you.... bla bla bla, and thats why cats like fish..." OH MY GOD SHUT UP!!!!!
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Nov. 15, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST
Every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune.........
by Martin Hogg
.....I LOVE THE FARM!!!! But seriously, i think the show is spot on. I've read the comics up to the point where they get to the prison, and i'm still enjoying it. The show focuses on characters. A lot. Imagine if this had been made in the 1980s, with George Peppard as Rick, and Don Johnson as Shane. It would have been zombie shit storm of the week every week, strung together with REALLY shit catchphrases, and NO character development. You lot don't have the slightest idea how good you've got it, you really don't...... I think for homework today you should all travel back to 1983 and see how shit TV was.
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You just made my soul scream. Such a good episode. So sad. And that bit, the Pigety Man, was so damned mean. AHS doesn't hate its characters, which is how it gets away with such a sharp nasty streak. Lurve.
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Or rather, he just got back from surgery and has an eye from a donor. A dead guy's eye. Trippy. My step-dad IS the walking dead. He can't walk fast either, as a side note.
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Very good point.I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This is a golden age for TV.
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Nov. 15, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST
You people understand you can't translate EXACTLY to tv, right?
by D.Vader
The farm lasts for a few issues in the comic, but in tv time, that is not enough to properly develop characters and a situation to have the right impact at the end. Its like people who wanted a certain character to die in the first season, like he did in the first book. And yet, if they did that, it would not nearly have the same impact as we can tell it will in the future.
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...and I know TWD has already been renewed for next season, but everyone I know that watched the show last season, at home and at work, has stopped...
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Good observation about American Horror Story. And that episode was chilling, and darkly funny. That show is not getting the attention and kudos it deserve, from my vantage point. Burney (as I like to call Denis Ohare's character) is a fantastic character, too. Can't get enough of him. "Where's my thousand dollars!" Hahahaha!! What a great amount to choose. Would have been even funnier if they'd gone with something like 680 dollars. Must have been a lot back then.
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A handful of my friends and I had TWD gatherings every week last season, rotating the host chores. We'd get together for dinner, watch the show and then chat about it afterwards while replaying some of our favorite scenes and such. The group has grown substantially this season - more than doubling last season's numbers - to the point where only two of us have enough room in our homes to host everyone. Almost everyone stays to watch the wrap-up show also, which is usually pretty entertaining in itself and often really funny.
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I hate wireless keyboards that just randomly skip letters I type. Sometimes I catch it, sometimes I do not. The only way I know is that it happens here constantly when I use the wireless KB, and never when I use the wired one. Yeahyeah. *Kudos it deserveS* not *deserve* Yeesh.
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they are all still watching it every goddamn week
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I really think that's where the show is headed wouldn't it be cool if instead of killing Shane they made him the big bad
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So many of you, like trained mynah birds, keep parroting "It's moving slowly so they can develop the characters" and "It's all about the character development" and "This is how you build characters" and "Sorry it's not all action for you...it's about the characters". Well, those of us complaining that it's slow have seen other TV shows, thanks. And most shows can develop characters just as quickly (or faster) without having them sit around and talk about their feelings every episode. Christ. I think you guys repeat that "It's all about character development" line without even bothering to think about what you're saying. You just say it because you've seen it said and know it's the line you're supposed to use to defend the awful writing on this show. The characters suck. They don't need to be developed. They need to be re-written.
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For those of you talking about how this show is so goddamned slow because they "need to build the characters" or "Show character development"....Tell me: WHAT character development are you talking about? Darryl changed midway through LAST season and showed he wasn't just some redneck. So, this season he continues to be cool and the only character with depth. Nothing changed. "Annoying Blonde" continues to be near tears, suicide, or punching anything but a zombie every week. She's still pissed all the time and still just insufferable. Hasn't "Grown" or changed at all. Not one bit. The old man in the RV: Exactly the same. Hasn't grown or changed at all. Does essentially nothing. The Asian kid: Got laid, but seems completely unaffected by everything, including getting laid, from week to week. Hasn't changed at all. Shane: Has been fucking nuts and pining since episode 2. Is still carrying his pathetic torch around when any other man would have accepted his heartbreak long ago. Still does mean things becuase he's in survival mode. Always DID. Still does. Hasn't changed or grown. Rick: Still trying to be a leader while being a massive pussy. Oblivious to the love triangle that might as well be slapping him in the face. Looks confused all the time. Hasn't grown or changed at all. Abused Wife: Sits around being timid and annoying and whiney. Doesn't look for her own daugther. Just looks on the verge of tears constantly. Hasn't changed or grown at all. Laurie: Still being a complete ass to everyone. Treats Shane like shit. Talks down to her husband. Seems like a woman that one man wouldn't want to be with, let alone two. She's just kept secrets and found ways to keep lying to two men. Hasn't changed or grown at all. So, can someone please tell me how these characters have "Developed"? How have they "Grown"? How have they changed from when we met them? They haven't. Not at all. So, we've sat for 11 hours and watched nothing change. Just people talking and staying in the same place, acting exactly the same way. And just TALKING about it incessantly along the way. This show could have been great. FUCK, I want to love it. But, holy shit, it's about 10 minutes of quality each week.
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Sample script: Shane: We need to worry about ourselves. Move on. She's dead. The world as we know it is gone, and unfair. Better her than us. I'm in pain. I'm so confused. Can't you tell? I grimace a lot. And in the mirror sometimes! Rick: I guess. Listen, I....I...Aw, hell. I ain't much for prayin'. Guess I'd best be a talkin' to God or sumpin'. Gosh, I sure am confused. But I'm the leader. Because...well... (Laurie walks by) Laurie: Dammit! I am angry for no reason and hostile and difficult. I've made bad decisions and, for that reason, I will now treat you both horribly. Rick: Thank God I survived. Shane: I love her. I'll show it in my face every time Rick is nearby. Hope he won't notice. Rick: I won't. RV Old Man Whose Name No One Remembers: I'll just stand over here with this rifle and look around in circles a lot. I ever tell you about the time my wife and I... Annoying Blonde Whose Name No One Remembers: MY SISTER IS DEAD! NO ONE HAS LOST ANYONE BEFORE I LOST MY SISTER! I AM SO SPECIAL COMPARED TO ALL OF YOU. MY LOSS MATTERS MORE. I SHOULD POINT GUNS AT ANYTHING BUT ZOMBIES. I AM ANGRY AT ALL OF YOU BECAUSE MY AWFUL SISTER DIED. Beaten Wife: I miss my daugther. So I will sit and look out the window and tell you about how sad this makes me. And then I'll start doing chores because it will keep me from actually having to lift a finger to help find her. I. Think. I. Might. Tear. Up. Glen AKA "The Asian Dude": I will continue to shrug and act as if none of this really affects me. Even getting laid only distracts me long enough that I stop looking around curiously at the other people. Maybe I'll go run some errands. Whatever you guys wanna do is cool with me. *shrugs* Old Man On The Farm: If ya'll don't mind, I'm going to be vaguely hostile and controlling, despite the fact I'm lucky you don't take over my farm and enslave me and my daugther. Oh, and don't go in the barn. Just follow my dangerous and stupid rules without hesitation. Gimmie your gun or I'll tell Rick. Farmer's Daughter: Imma fuck me some guy and then act aloof. It's my job to be coy and pretty. Pulling it off, right? Look how much my character has grown. Otis' widow: Am I still on this show? I am? Oh, I'll walk around inside the house, then. Anyone want pie? T-Dawg: What she said.
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While I do somewhat agree with your point about characters not having to sit in one place and be *talky* to be developed characters.... You sure do have a lot of descriptive language for these *undeveloped* characters. Character development isn't 100% about CHANGE. Sometimes it's just as much about being exactly the same as they've always been. Sometimes that being the case is BETTER to enhance realism. A developed character doesn't always become something else... sometimes it just means we see more of what they already are. Sometimes it means the the old boring guy on the RV tells his boring old man stories so that we understand that he IS that guy. I just wish that said RV was moving somewhere else.... soon. Having said that.... I do think you're spot on about them being in one place for too long. Moving on will be the best thing for the show.
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got the characters spot on mate!
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I can't help but feel like the show is sort of like Lost mid-way through season 2. There was lots of potential there after a great season 1, but just lacked a sense of direction. A lot of the episodes felt like they had things way too stretched out. They are also some of the most forgettable as to what happens. The Asian guy seeing the zombies is sort of like the lockdown in the Hatch moment. Tell me one other thing mid-season 2 on Lost that happened without looking it up first. Hopefully the show gets a sense of direction like Lost did with the definite end date and turns things around for fantastic season 3-5 as well.
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Charlie had his possibly drug-addled freakout and tried to baptize baby Aaron.
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How did Daryl change midway last season? That statement is so full of errors; there's nothing to back it up.
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R- "Darryl changed midway through LAST season and showed he wasn't just some redneck. So, this season he continues to be cool and the only character with depth. Nothing changed." Nope. Daryl *was* just some redneck all through last season. It wasn't really until *this* season that he started acting selflessly for others. R- ""Annoying Blonde" continues to be near tears, suicide, or punching anything but a zombie every week. She's still pissed all the time and still just insufferable. Hasn't "Grown" or changed at all. Not one bit." Nope. Annoying Blonde went from being suicidal at the beginning of this season to deciding she wasn't going to be a victim any more and started whining about wanting a gun. Old Man was rightfully worried she'd take her life or do something rash, so he was against it. Eventually, she decided to be part of the group and play a useful part. She wanted some gun training, she received the gun training, and since she's been whining about it all season, she finally got the chance to do what she wanted- fire the gun and kill a zombie. Only oops, that wasn't a zombie. She was so eager just to fire a gun and kill something and get out her anger that she didn't stop to think about the consequences, despite Old Man yelling at her not to take the shot. Know what that is? Its called setup. And development. R- "The old man in the RV: Exactly the same. Hasn't grown or changed at all. Does essentially nothing." True, he hasn't developed much this season. He seems to be the wise guru holding things together, making people feel better during their expected periods of self-doubt. See Blonde and T-Dog and Glenn. R - "The Asian kid: Got laid, but seems completely unaffected by everything, including getting laid, from week to week. Hasn't changed at all." If you consider getting angry at Laurie for being pregnant and pining around for the farm girl being "unaffected", then I'd say you're just missing the forest for the trees intentionally to backup your viewpoint. Clearly, Glenn has never had a gf before. He doesn't know how to act. Now that he's had sex, he's trying to be macho around the girl and its backfiring. He's even going to the Old Man for advice. He doesn't like secrets, which is why he's on Laurie's case about not telling Rick she's pregnant. How do you think he'll react to the biggest secret thus far, the zombies in the barn? Look a bit harder. You're wrong here too. R- "Shane: Has been fucking nuts and pining since episode 2. Is still carrying his pathetic torch around when any other man would have accepted his heartbreak long ago. Still does mean things becuase he's in survival mode. Always DID. Still does. Hasn't changed or grown." Fucking nuts? Or just realistic in light of the new circumstances? Shane went from wanting to leave the group and be alone to growing into thinking he should probably be the leader of the group bc he can make the tough decisions now that he's killed Otis. He clearly loves Carl and Laurie, and he blames Rick for Carl being shot. That is clear, but it seems you haven't picked up on it, bc then you'd realize its character development. The two butting heads in this episode is just foreshadowing for what might happen later on down the line. Its clear that Shane is beginning to think he should be the leader, bc if he was, Carl would not have gotten shot and they'd be at Fort Benning by now. R - "Rick: Still trying to be a leader while being a massive pussy. Oblivious to the love triangle that might as well be slapping him in the face. Looks confused all the time. Hasn't grown or changed at all. " What has made him a massive pussy? Reflecting on tough decisions? Crying over his dying son? Give me a break, you're stretching here. R- "Abused Wife: Sits around being timid and annoying and whiney. Doesn't look for her own daugther. Just looks on the verge of tears constantly. Hasn't changed or grown at all." I'll give you that one. R - "Laurie: Still being a complete ass to everyone. Treats Shane like shit. Talks down to her husband. Seems like a woman that one man wouldn't want to be with, let alone two. She's just kept secrets and found ways to keep lying to two men. Hasn't changed or grown at all." She's never talked down to her husband, so again, your attempt at backing up your point has resulted in you making things up, which is completely disingenuous if you intend to have a real conversation about the show. Yeah, she's kept secrets and keeps lying about them. How long do you think anyone can do that? In a stressful environment such as the one they're in? Its more setup for the inevitable blowup. That's obvious to anyone. You're blinding yourself simply to make a point, and you're not doing that great a job. Unless you just haven't been paying attention and have only been in the room while each episode was on so that you could come here to complain about certain plot points you heard in the background.
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TheRevenge made a good argument, but I agree with D.Vader's observations. I love the Comics, and the TV Show. They're a little different, but just a little. Most of these characters won't live through a third season, but some of them still have a loooong way to go. This is really still the beginning.
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Nov. 16, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST
Both my wife and her friend at work are fans, my wife comes in and askes...
by Billyeveryteen
"Have you seen last night's Walking Dead?(zombie in well)" "Not yet, gonna watch it during dinner tonight..." "DON'T, finish dinner first. Trust me." Next day, friend comes in and goes straight to my wife... "Thanks..." I love this Godamn show.
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...all he did was pull the comic off the shelf and say, "This is the storyboard." There's no reason TWD couldn't have been handled the same way. But it wasn't, so it is what it is. Anyway - my bet is that Darryl, being the show equivalent of Tyreese in the comics, will soon be boning Carol.
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Hellboy in different media also differ in content. The Movies go in a direction that also differs from the animated films. TWD seems to be taking this approach. Darabont himself said at a panel discussion that the comics are the starting point but they have felt free to explore different interesting story paths. Kirkman is on board with that. Shane's longevity is the biggest difference so far.
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No, they don't have to move on...but whatever they are doing has to be interesting. I personally found Sunday's to be interesting...but can understand the frustration if the Comix were wide-ranging with a variety of (expensive for TV) settings.
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that "well, I could be dead tomorrow" line really got to me. Simple line, but delivered with just the right amount of subtle emotion. You really feel the despair in his voice. the actor playing Glenn really does a great job. Hope he stays on the show.
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You mean hoards and hoards of zombies, right? Let's not. The reason most recent zombie movies suck is because they never take time to get to know the living characters. It's all one big zombie picnic, a lot of running and gunfire, and a "downer" ending edited in music video style. Without character development... that shit sucks. It's just noise.
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Sorry, mate, but all of your little points against my criticisms are nothing but different opinions. Just as uneducated as mine. You have merely said "Oh, I'm cool with the shit you aren't cool with". Which, in and of itself, doesn't prove me wrong at all. You apparently are just easier-going with what you expect from your TV shows than I am. If I was the only person I know complaining about this show, I'd keep my mouth shut. But I see (and know) many people making the same complaints. After a while, instead of thinking that those of us making the criticisms are expecting too much, it becomes obvious that those of you not making the criticisms expect too little. The number of people growing tired of TWD increases every single week. People start realizing that, just because it's a zombie show and you love zombies, does not mean you have to pretend this is anything but mediocre at best. Try this: Take the zombies out entirely. Now it's just a show about people hanging out together. Would you like or care about any of these people then? When the answer to that question is "YES", you have decent writing. Currently, it's "NO". (And, please, stop being so goddamned condescending to me, Vader. I'm a grown man. If I don't like something, it's not because I'm not "looking deep enough". Don't assume to know me or my intelligence, thank you very much. It's a TV show, not a doctoral dissertation. I shouldn't have to be straining to see the oh-so-subtle change of a character from "insufferable" to "less insufferable".)
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All this talk about character development vs. action. Why is it all or nothing with you guys? Are all of you that extreme with what you watch? No one is saying it needs to be all zombies all the time. No one is saying that it needs to be nothing but action. No one is saying that it needs to be nothing but gore. But you apologists pretend people are saying that, then arguing against it. BUT NO ONE IS. We're saying there needs to be less talking and more action. Not just guns and gore. SOMETHING. ANYTHING but just talking all the goddamned time. Sure, it doesn't need to be all zombie action. But right now? It's almost NONE. What is in it's place? Talking. This week managed to thankfully have Daryl DOING SOMETHING. Last week, the entire plot was "2 random people randomly talking to each other for 5 minutes". As for "Character development takes time": Yes it does. But not two full seasons, for crissakes. The average TV show does NOT get a full two-season order after episode 3. Therefore, the writers are expected to actually WORK and develop characters faster. Which can ABSOLUTELY be done in less than 12 hours of TV. In fact, it almost always is. This is the talkiest goddamned show on TV right now. "Meet The Press" is a close second. Why are we pretending that NO TV show before TWD has ever developed characters well without having them talk for 11 straight hours? Shit, read a screenwriting book and they will ALL tell you how you should be developing characters quickly, with subtle nuances and simple dialogue, rather than spending 10 pages on dilaogue and conversation. Is there ANYTHING a character on this show has shown us about themselves that needed 11 episodes with which to do it? Didn't we have their terrible stereotypes all confirmed by epsiode 4? Look at shows like "LOST" or "Buffy" or "Breaking Bad" or any number of shows we all love on this site. Did they all sit around talking about how they feel? Or did they SHOW us through their actions and the complications that arose from week to week? Okay, so it doesn't have to be all zombies, all the time, every week. But, if you're going to have awful characters who are just constantly miserable, you at least better give them things to do other than talk about it.
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This is not a difference of opinion. Everything I stated above are facts, and if someone doesn't believe me, all they have to do is watch the show. I did not make anything up; everything I said about the characters is on television. All one has to do is watch to notice it. You generalized and simplified the characters and ignored what's happened, saying they haven't changed at all. I gave you instances that prove they have changed, that their actions are setup and development for future conflicts. That's not a difference of opinion. That's providing evidence to back up my argument. And sorry if I appear to be condescending. That is not my intention. But the fact is, you are generalizing and simplifying things just to prove yourself right. You're ignoring the bigger picture. If you don't like the show, fine. I'm not going to argue with you on that. But don't lie about the show, don't be inaccurate just to back up your claims. Don't spread false information simply to make yourself and your viewpoint appear to be right. I will call you out on it, and thats all I've done here. If you don't like it, then back up your claims with facts. Stop making things up (like saying Daryl changed midway through last season to show he was more than a typical redneck). I called you out on specific points, but you ignored them. This tells me that either A) you know you are being inaccurate about said points and can't back up your claims, or B) you really aren't paying that much attention to the show. If you think this is me insulting your intelligence, again, I'm sorry. But when you willfully ignore what has happened on the show, what else am I to think? Its one or the other. Because like I said up above, everything I mentioned is on the show whether you like it or not. And also... " but all of your little points against my criticisms are nothing but different opinions. Just as uneducated as mine. " I'm failing to understand the "uneducated" bit here.
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6 episodes doesn't really count as "a full season", so don't use that in your argument about "TWO YEARS" because its wholly disingenuous.
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Nov. 16, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST
Why does EVERYONE who claims to hate this show continue to watch it?
by Mattman
If someone truly didn't like Walking Dead, they would have stopped after season 1. Complete bullshit.
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d. vader you can try to intellectualize a turd but it will still be a turd. Face it. The writing is terrible. Just plain terrible. The old man lectures the asian kid that he should have thought about their host (the old-ass bastard who owns the house) before he slept with the girl? Yeah...um...right. Because a young dude in the middle of a zombie apocalypse where there are no other girls his age STILL ALIVE for miles around will stop and think about her dad before he puts his chop stick in her silly, filthy vagina. And the barn is what...50 yards from the house? No one could hear the zombies in it? With all the commotion around the farm the zombies would have been going nuts. What about the materializing zombies from the first episode. The old dude's got binoculars but he can't see a lumbering hoard of zombies that are 50 feet down the road? Them zombies are good at sneakin' up on ya. Fuck you! And the kid getting shot? What parent, under intense duress (which means they would be EXTRA protective), would allow their son to get near a 300 pound wild animal? What was the kid going to do when he got up to that deer anyway? Get on its back and ride through the forest like fucking Strawberry Shortcock and the Mystery of the Stupid Bastard? The zombie in the well, the zombie in the well, hi-ho-the-merry-oh the zombie in the well. Fuck that entire scene. I watched it. Thought about it. Then shit in a shoebox, wrapped it in xmas wrapping paper, and mailed it to the TWD's writers. This show needs a serious fucking enema. And any butt-hole who tells me "if you don't like it, don't watch it" can go eat a fucking Baconator from Wendy's with a giant, hairy cock on it.
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Nov. 17, 2011, 12:33 a.m. CST
cujo_fugate, no, by all means, keep watching that show you hate
by Mattman
Makes perfect sense. Afterall, you clearly need something to bitch about.
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The problem, Cujo, is that you are trying to be rational with people who have lost their rational thought. The Walking Dead Apologists are so in love with either the comics, the zombie genre, or awful characters so much that they are willing to ignore logic, reasoning, and awful writing in order to get their weekly fix of mediocrity. They're afraid that, if they admit the show is slow and plodding, they may never have zombies on TV again. They think that stupid characters saying and doing stupid things and sitting around talking all the time is "character development". If you attempt to tell them that any hack screenwriting book would call all of that amateur hour, they will say they "proved you wrong" when they said nothing but "Uh-uh. They've grown sooo much because I said they did". When that fails, they'll tell you not to watch the show anymore. TWD Apologists are like battered wives. They will defend the very thing that is beating them into submission. Because they WANT to love it soooo much, they'll defend it even when it is being shitty.
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Funny how shows in other countries only have seasons that are six to thirteen episodes long...and yet don't need all of those hours to "develop the characters". And yet those shows are consistently hailed as excellent by critics all over the world. Shit, if it were up to the fans of The Walking Dead, "Life on Mars" would have taken four seasons just for the main character to meet his co-workers.
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You're drunk, aren't you? Its ok, I post drunk here all the time =).
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How's it working out for you? You know, finding evidence and facts to back up your argument? Oh, still ignoring that? Not bothering with the truth? Okay, I'll see you in next week's talkback, complaining and bitching once again.
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You obviously hate the show in some nitpicky ways that completely prevent you from seeing it as it is. It's highly entertaining, and to me, not at all boring. You got it in your head that it's some kind of crapfest, and that's all you can see now. Please stop watching and bitching, because obviously, the show is not for you. If you're trying to convince people you know more about how to make a good zombie show than TWD's writers, then here's a sarcastic slow clap for you. clap. clap. clap. Happy now?
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d.vader is speaking the truth. There is some character development gong on. He's not making shit up. Having said that, I don't think the characters are generally interesting and they really do a lot of stupid stuff. The well was just idiotic. And, say, how much more interesting would it have been for Dale to sort of smile when he found out Glenn got laid, because that's what young people in an apocalypse are gonna do...but nope, another pious lecture. The mother is a useless boring character. I think characters with potential like Andrea are getting to be very one-note and lame. The characters have no shadings, they're one-note. Except... This is the Shane and Daryl show in my opinion, those are interesting characters, and feel like they could go to interesting places. Imagine how much more interesting the Sophia storyline would be if they were somewhere more dangerous than this wonderful farm? If it was a matter of having to fight off or hide from zombies constantly while looking for her, if they were in a place less secure, would they still be looking for her, would it be worth it? What if some zombies ate T-Dog and Andrea because of the search? The writers are taking the most boring ways to tell this story a lot of times. Where's the tension? Where are the touch choices that would make for good drama? Hopefully next week's episode is going to ramp up.
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You said it right. Perfectly, actually. I don't "HATE" the show. I'm disappointed because I WANT to love it. I want for it to be great. And understand that I find part of every episode very good. I liked Daryl's adventure this past week. I liked Shane and Otis storming the school. There are always cool moments. I just think they are shoehorned in with bad scenes of awful characters sitting around chatting. Too much so. I've always said that the show would probably be best as a half-hour program. Then it wouldn't have its budget woes and could cut the fat. But here's the thing: Even if you believe that people sitting around talking is good character development...are any of these characters likable? A friend of mine said it best: Even in a zombie apocalypse, I'd rather be alone and take my chances than spend time with most of these incompetent morons. They simply do stupid things and tend to whine a lot while doing it. THAT is what I want to see change. What is the point of developing characters when you're just calling attention to how insufferable they are? So, no, I don't hate the show. I just know it has more potential, much of which is obvious. I think the writing is lazy. And I notice that, as we get called "haters", you guys who love the show seem to ignore what is valid criticism. I'm not complaining about petty issues here. PLOT issues are not petty. And the "Stop watching it if you don't like it" argument is one for children. You might as well stop saying it because it never works. I want to love the show. And part of it is really good every week. But they're not living up to their potential with it. And, Vader, as for "prove to me that they haven't built character" arguments? That's just stupid. It's like trying to convince a born-again Christian there is no God. Why would I waste my time when you wouldn't agree no matter what anyway? Just like you're not going to convince me you know what good writing is. You love the show, so you have nothing to defend. Go love it.
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And, not for nothing, but those of you saying that we being critical are just being nitpicky haters for no reason, leave this site and venture elsewhere. Read what other posters are saying on other sites. It's not a tiny handful of asshole haters complaining. The number of viewers getting mroe and more frustrated with this show is growing. Even on hack sites like Entertainment Weekly, where the dumbest of shows are praised, people are talking about the insufferable characters, slow plot, and stupid decisions. It's not just blind hate. It's valid criticism. So
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I give you facts and evidence, and you think its just a matter of opinion? You think me stating the truth is just a disagreement? Its like me telling you the Earth is flat, and you're stamping your feet with your fingers in your ears, stubbornly refusing to come to grips with reality. But I remember, you're also the guy who last week had such a hard time understanding what "show don't tell" really means. Its no wonder you can't figure out what I'm saying here either. You were right about one thing, however, and that's when you told MrGiant "You said it right. Perfectly, actually." You're right. He did. Especially when he said this: "d.vader is speaking the truth. There is some character development gong on. He's not making shit up." But you stubbornly ignored that too, didn't you? That's okay. I see you're just a bit upset that I called you out on your lies and bullshit. It hurts when you're proven wrong.
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That it really was quite easy to do. I just... watched the show and observed. And then I spoke all the truth that TheRevenge lied about or left out (or didn't notice or pick up on).
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Sorry to make you guys so sad, but you're not going to have any success personally insulting me. Nor are you going to somehow make me angry or any of the sort of things people like you try to do when you hear a different opinion than yours. I'm immune to petty message board insults. Doesn't upset me. Just makes me smirk. So, have at it. I see now why you guys love this talky TV show so much. It's like a soap opera, full of petty drama. Just like the way you talk to other people.
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Clearly you're not used to real debate. You just don't get it, and no amount of distraction and subject change on your part will change the fact that you were proven wrong. Sad.
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Don't assume that just because I called you out on your bullshit and your lies it means I love the show. That's just you being foolish once again.
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Yes, yes. I LIED about your TV show. Just lies. Oh, the lies. Oh, the conspiracy! You can personally insult me all you like. It doesn't bother me, nor impress me, nor does it move me to anger or any of the reactions that anonymous posters on The Internet hope to get when they behave that way. So, have at it. Very brave. You anonymously insulted a person you know nothing about for not liking your TV show. How noble. You must be very proud. I can see now why you guys love this show. It's petty and like a soap opera, with manufactured drama and silly, spiteful characters who take things way too personally.
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Nov. 20, 2011, 12:09 a.m. CST
You lied. I called you out on it. If you're too daft to notice it...
by D.Vader
Then you really are much less intelligent than I gave you credit for. It sounds like you don't know what I'm referring to, which is strange since I mentioned it right out up above. I'm talking about a very specific example. I called you out on it. You have *never* responded. I'll give you a hint... I mentioned it OUTRIGHT in this thread. Don't be a moron. Find it, its there. And if you still can't figure out what I'm talking about, all I'm left to infer is that you are way too stupid to understand what I'm talking about. Or, you're just a troll who really does *not* watch the show and instead just lies and bitches about a show he does not watch Again, which is it?
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