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New HAYWIRE Trailer!

Nordling here.

If you didn't know any better, you could say that, for the first few moments at least, you're watching a new trailer for SHAME.  And then, Gina Carano pretty much puts Michael Fassbender in his place.  This is the new teaser for Steven Soderbergh's HAYWIRE, which played last week at AFI and people went fairly nuts for it.  From what people are saying, it's a flat-out action film from Soderbergh, and judging from the little footage I've seen, it looks pretty incredible.  Here's an all-too-brief trailer for the film, and I really love the cast in this one:

Nordling, out.

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  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck First!

    by phantomcreeps

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Gina can triangle my head any day.

    by tylerzero

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Looks Entertaining.

    by phantomcreeps

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST

    And by "head" I mean "penis".

    by tylerzero

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST

    I want.....

    by Geoff

    Fassbender to really be a bender and then he could whack me from behind. Ooooo nice :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    This is the kind of action movie I want to see

    by melonman

    Good year for SODERBERGH. CONTAGION was pretty great. Really cleanly shot. Looks likes he's distancing himself from the shakycam aesthetic to something more composed and classical.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:55 a.m. CST

    This will be awesome.

    by rakesh patel

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    SO many new ideas...

    by Unscripted

    Gosh, there are... are so many NEW ideas in this movie, I can't wait to have my consciousness expanded by it.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST


    by Surf Ninja

    You can eat all the finest dishes in the world. Sometimes you just crave a really good fucking cheeseburger.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Gina Carano looks the part

    by BranMakMorn

    At last they have a female action lead who isn't emaciated and looks like her kicks would actually deliver some impact.

  • Never hold out hope for anything thrown into the void. Early year releases have disappointed me year after year.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    FUCK shaky cam... and I like January movies

    by Autodidact

    At this point I see it as a good thing when executives think a movie doesn't belong in amongst all the other mainstream dreck.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Ewan Mcgregor

    by alan_poon

    His shite attempt at an American accent throws me out of every scene he's in. His cockernee one isn't much better either and was the weakest part of the otherwise excellent Ghost Writer.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Gina Carano?!?! FUCK,I AM IN.

    by KilliK

    hottest muscle babe in town.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 8:08 a.m. CST

    note to self - don't watch any more trailers for this film

    by 2for2true

    Looks great, gives just enough info to make me want to see it. The last thing I want is to have it spoiled by some detailed trailer that gives away everything.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Gina Carano

    by Gore_monkey

    That chic is built HOT HOT HOT! kick my ass sweetie!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Ooooooh Gina ♥♥♥♥♥♥ put me ina submission!

    by Gore_monkey

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by bluemonolith

    Another female spy trained to be the best then betrayed by the system that trained her so she goes after them movie? Yawn.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Linda Hamilton is the greatest women action hero

    by eric haislar

    She is so bad ass in T2.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Poor Michael Fassbender get's killed off quickly.

    by Randy

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST


    by Inglorious Bastard

    Contagion may have looked generic in the trailers, but it wasn't. There were a bunch of cool stylistic flourishes that made that movie pop.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST

    ANOTHER "gone rogue, sold me out" trailer? Come on, man.

    by ennio

    Just laughed my ass off at the "Safe House" trailer. This one doesn't fare much better.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Kicking and Shooting Chick, The Movie

    by Pop_aristocrat

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Jessica Bourne?

    by Somerichs

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10 a.m. CST

    why showing the killing of fassbender?

    by arthur

    there should be some rules about the making of movie trailers.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST

    @dioxholsters_ghost Have you seen her fight?

    by jasvll

    Because she actually did that for a living at one point.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I wish Steven wouldn't shoot his films they look boring and dated

    by cagl1ostro

    you can't save a badly lit shot with a vinyette. Give it over to someone else mate. You can still operate the camera.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Why is she not being cast as Wonder Woman??!!!

    by afrayedknot


  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    What is to you a modern, hip style of film shooting? The frame-fucking editing of Michael Shit Bay or the lens flares of Jar Jar Abrams retarded stupid faggoty styles?

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST

    My problem with movies like this...

    by jimmy_009

    Look, I think it's great that women can be portrayed as action heroes, I -really- do. The problem is that the women in these movies are often 100 lbs of fury. I don't care how much judo and karate a woman that size knows, she's not going to have the physical ability to take out a guy that outweighs her by 80-100 lbs, especially when THEY'RE all highly trained as well. A 10 lbs difference in MMA is considered a BIG advantage/disadvantage. You're talking about little waifs taking out guys twice their size. At some point I just can't suspend my disbelief. That new show Nikita is a good example. The woman looks like a toothpick that hasn't eaten a full meal in days. And she's going to take out trained guys twice her size?. Get someone like Laila Ali or GTFO with these waify action heroines.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Don't Use "Apostrophe S" in a Verb ("Get's"?!?!)

    by LizardMan

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Why not Wonder Woman?

    by Human Tornado

    Because fake tits? No fake tits in Paradise Island.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Best trailer I've seen.

    by Bigdada


  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    From what I've heard..

    by xsikal

    ..the action is good, but Gina is mediocre at best in the acting department. No real shock there... hopefully that does not hurt the final product too much.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by xsikal

    Gina is at least 150 (probably 160ish when filming this), so it's unlikely she's fighting anyone twice her weight.... which is a reason you should be more interested in this than say, for example, Colombiana. :)

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Fuck it, i want the Evil Queen to win

    by AsimovLives

    Eat her heart out, oh queen!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    ops!!! wrong thread!

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Puh-lease!! Is it COLUMBIANA or is it BOURNE IDENTITY 4.

    by ninpobugei

    I'm so tired of women-kicking-ass nonsense like this.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    This looks decidedly 'B-movie'... and what is wrong with that??

    by 13thMonkey

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST

    For all you twats.....

    by Number9997

    ....who think a woman couldn't kick a man's ass that bad, taking a fucking class in physics or thermodynamics!!!! Fucking idiots!!!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by Negative Man

    All it needs is a Lucy Liu cameo.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    that looks pretty good except for the casting of

    by D o o d

    Ewan Mcgregor. Once he was cast in the Star Wars movies, he pretty much died as an actor!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    You think the C.I.A. would learn

    by lochkray

    Never betray your highly trained super spy killing machines. This is a perfect example of what's wrong with America.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Wow how many pathetic losers are in here?

    by Andrew Coleman

    "Getting tired of the women kicking ass thing". Only type of dude who would say that is one who can't figure out women. Most guys who dislike women in: Politics, certain jobs, entertainment... Are only mad because women don't give them the light of day. I know you're full of shit because this movie finally has a woman that could hands kick all of your asses easily. Not Zoe Saldana or one of these thin as rails red carpet types. No this woman looks like she can fight. You should be excited. Instead you go on with your normal bull shit about women heroes.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Women can be tougher than men if they want to be...

    by brocknroll

    ...ever get your ass kicked by a woman? I may have gotten punched by one a few times, and man it hurts.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST

    It's not that Gina Carano looks like she can fight, SHE CAN FIGHT!!!

    by AsimovLives

    She was only defeated once in her fighter career, and that was by Cristiane Cyborg Santos, an incredible juggernaut of a fighter. So, Carano being beleivable as a fighter is the most easy to believe thing in this movie because she 's like that in real life. If there will be an issue about this movie, it could be her acting. But she actually has a good voice for playing a though action girl, so, as far i'm concerned, i'm sold. As for accepting girls being action heroes in movies, it's called supension of disbelief. If a belgian dancer can be convincing as a action man in movies, so can a girl. If anything, the problem is not a woman being an action hero in a movie, but prejudice. As for me, i rather like watch a woman being an action hero. I rather watch two own go on a punch fight then two blokes. I find two women fighting far more sexy then two blokes. But that's me. If you guys prefer to get your jollies rocked by two oiled men fighting, that's your thing, more power to you, good for you. I just don't bend that way, if you know what i mean.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by Keith Small

    Dudes in here complaining about ass-kicking chicks would probably have their asses royally kicked by Gina Carano! She might not be an actress, but she can definitely fight. And by the way, kudos to the chap who suggested Laila Ali for this type of role. Now THAT I would like to see!

  • Which means that you will her far more often in the movie. You will watch her through the movie, and not just when it's convinient for the hero to empty his balls. It's the best of both worlds, having the hero and the chick in one package. You guys who hate chicks as action heroes are not really thinking this through. Or you are gay.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by jimmy_009

    It is ridiculous to see a 100 lbs waif kicking ass. Looks like the makers of this one thought so too.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by TopHat

    A professional actor who has been trained for months is able to beat up another actor! Also, EVERYTHING works out for the actor in the film because its all been written down already! We used to criticize male actors for being in these types of bullshit movies. But, now with the Momma's boys running America, we have to sit through the same bullshit just because its a woman doing it. Puts Fassbender in his "place"? You sound like a nineteen fifties housewife, Nordling. Of course, you are the one who said Moore's character was simply going through some "life changes" in your CRAZY STUPID LOVE review. NOT that she was fucking around on Carrell's character. Oops. Your wife is calling you, Nordling. To the rest of you pathetic assholes who actually like this pandering woman-kicks-ass shit; please grow up. By supporting the stereotype that you are automatically shit just because you're male and thereby deserve to be "put in your place" by a woman, you're giving up you're individuality. You're thinking of yourself as a worker rather than an equal person. Sure, this is a very easy way to go through life, but, it will ultimately cause grief and depression. Please stop following the routine. Break from it. Don't become a glorified househusband. There will never be any equal rights movement for you.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I mean, obviously Banderas and Paxton gotta eat... but the others?

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by lensproject

    Got to agree with you... I love me some Soderbergh but the weak link is the quality of the imagery. But he must be annoying to work with as a DP and I bet we just wouldn't have the movies he's made (so efficiently, cheaply, quickly etc.) if he was working with one. That's the trade off. You can have your 3 Soderbergh films a year but it costs you a polished image. I'll take it. (And yes the trailer editors seemed to have vignetted the hell out of this...)

  • Can they at least, for at least some semblance of reality (lol) just cast all the cops, thugs, agents, and other punching bags this superbadasswoman kicks the shit out of? Sooooo sick of it.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    ...cast all the cops, thugs, agents etc as women as well

    by ravenloff


  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by malpaso

    Hollywood midget. Seriously...the lolipop guild rules H-town.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Gina Canaro's is an awesome pack of toughness and sweetness:

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    more animated hotness:

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    more animated hotness:

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    and the last one:

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Are you mad? What is it?

  • I'll watch the DVD. Once.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Wake up, asimovlives...

    by TopHat


  • Nov. 11, 2011, 4:57 p.m. CST

    hey dioxholsters_ghost

    by KilliK

    when she spreads her ass cheeks for your dick to enter her asshole,DONT FUCK HER.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    This movie is less believable than Star Wars

    by clavo

    I am so sick of these unstoppable chick movies! Really, that stick would kick the ass of a man two times her size? She should just go off a cliff holding hands with SALT and call it a day.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST

    This movie is less believable than Star Wars

    by clavo

    I am so sick of these unstoppable chick movies! Really, that stick would kick the ass of a man two times her size? She should just go off a cliff holding hands with SALT and call it a day.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST

    @surf ninja...

    by Unscripted

    I'll take a good damned cheeseburger any day... but it won't be from McDonald's like this paint-the-number recyclefest.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    Gina Carano may not win any acting awards, but i'm betting she'll be passable and it will be an awesome movie. Yeah the trailers could look awesome and it could be a pile of crap ( sorry i just wasn't a fan of contagion). But i'm impressed enough to catch this at the cinema. I dont know anything about Ms Carano, never seen her in any cage match thingy or what have you. A quick Google shows she knows her stuff. and from that massive kick that puts fastbender thought the window i know this woman means business. Doesn't hurt she's actually really pretty as well. Internationally the other big names in the movie will help. Damm! i can't remember a real kick ass female whos had a run of movies for a while. the only one that i can recall is Cynthia Roddick who was in a lot of straight to video and Hong Kong flicks.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Nothing new!!! This is sooooo meh .....

    by Mark Loh

    It's just Angelina's Salt REPACKAGED!!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Not really sure working with a DP would slow him down exactly

    by cagl1ostro

    Delegation is a good thing. I just think Steven's work is always bold as a director, but sometimes this doesn't work as a cinematographer. For example Traffic... the extreme color shifts were just distracting while the acting was subtle. Didn't fit together for me. Here... it just all looks rushed. 'Drive' for example - didn't. Doesn't mean the film won't be great though. Its a small distraction.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:34 p.m. CST

    You guys really need to get laid...

    by evilnerd

    ...again a group of fucked up geek going crazy about "chicks with guns". So you guys are willing to accept a shitty plot just because the hero is a sexy chick? Just get a fucking porn, wank off and move out your fucking parents basement.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Ok, the plot is familiar, but

    by Clio

    I like this kind of movie. I'm sorry, can't help it.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 1:33 a.m. CST

    This looks so fuckin' cool.....

    by blackflowerX

    Can't wait.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 1:39 a.m. CST

    ...Oh BTW....I'm not a "wank yourself to sleep" male ....

    by blackflowerX

    .... Nor do I live in mummys basement....I have loads of sex thanks....And have no idea if this will suck or not ...<BR><BR> But....<BR><BR> Its still cool to see strong "combat" type roles going to women (as long as its well writen, not over sexulized, and intelligent). <BR><BR> Time will tell if the film is shit or not.....

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    *Spelling fail* ;(

    by blackflowerX

  • You don't like to see women onscreen? Only men? Big muscled men? Big muscled baby oiled men? Have you ever been in a turkish prision?

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Someone realized that...

    by WarrenSmooth

    TAKEN made a lot of money. Here come the copycats.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Fassbender a midget? Lollipop Guild?

    by Jay Eyler

    If you mean that metaphorically in some way that I missed, whoops. If you mean literally, that he's short; he's 6' tall. Hardly a small man.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Did people whine this much over Scarlett in Iron Man 2?

    by Jay Eyler

    Maybe they did, but I don't remember. I like seeing chicks kick ass, so long as it's somewhat believable. Girl can't be tiny. I've been hit square on by tiny men that had little affect. Shit, it just occurred to me, maybe I'm like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable. I have to go find me some weights and milk jugs. Back later.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Eat them cupcakes!

    by Chase

    Oh Gina... Your fatass never made weight in MMA, you fought barely trained women in your matches, and when you finally fought someone worthwhile you got your ass kicked, went into hiding and never came back. Hope acting works out better for you. At least you don't have to repeatedly FAIL to make weight. 2 scoops o' ice cream

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    Carano is undefeated against women...

    by OldDickLemon

    Cyborg has a Ron Jeremy sized cock with shriveled Barry Bonds balls.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Stereotype bullshit...

    by evilnerd

    dudes it's not about if you like to see women to kick ass. It's about "movie-stereotypes". Back in the day didn't we all just get sick of that male action hero cliche? Well I did, and now I am getting fucking bored with the female action hero template. At least try a fucking twist or ad some "real" character. So sick of you fucks and your "she's so hot" crap! Just deliver a creative movie-no matter what sex the lead has.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Carano, the face of Womens MMA...

    by Chase

    until she got her fatass face kicked by someone at her weight and skill level. 1st stop - mma 2nd stop - movies last stop - porn (but yeah, cyborg is super hung)

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    Saw the trailer for this before Contagion...


    and couldn't believe it when I saw it was a Soderbergh film. Just doesn't seem like his kind of thing, interested to see what he does with something like this. As far as Carano, she doesn't seem like much of an actress but at least she is more believable as a bad-ass fighter than some waif like Angelina Jolie. P.S. I want Carano to beat me senseless and then fuck me back to life.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    things i have learned from this talkback:

    by AsimovLives

    Most guys hate to see women onscreen, they prefer to see guys with big muscled oiled up punching each other. I learned the action genre is quite homoerotic, and that's the way the fans what it to be.

  • against similarly skilled men, I doubt it.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Surf Ninja

    I'm not vouching for this movie per say as I haven't seen it yet, but neither have you! ;)

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    you, it's as i suspected:

    by AsimovLives

    the average action movie junkie is an in-the-closet gay who have an irrational abhorence of women presence in their movie genre of obsession.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    you = yup

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I fully agree with your acssment of Ripley in ALIEN. Tha was a great and intelligent argument you used there. And in many ways i agree with you in that maybe there has ben a bit of an over-bombing with the Ripley Mrk II of female hero (the Ripley of the second part of ALIENS) in movies today. However, it's no worst then when in the 80s every fucking male hero had to be a Rambo clone from RAMBO II. At least the female action heroes have a much better precedence. As for this movie HAYWIRE, well, we have to wait and see, don't we? The name of Steve soderbergh as director fills me with confidence, or at least not with dread. Had this movie been directed by Paul WC Anderson, that would be another matter. I think you should just speak for yourself, friend. While you can offer up some articulate arguments, you are proving to be an exception in the "women as action heroes sucks" argument. The others are fall less... articulate, to put it nicely.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    I noticed something with CreepyThinManLives

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    He's a lot like Hydra. Cut off one head, two more heads take its place. - OR- Try to rationalize or mildly criticize one thread's irrate and half-mad comment, two more even more crazy and distrubed comments take its place. (You know Creepy, I hope all is well; great comedies sort of ruin things when they run off the wheels. I mean, it makes for a great story but really - where's Lenny Bruce when you need him. So, you know, keep it like a Bladerunner, dude.) (Oh, I've been wondering, what in film do you actually like, besides "Charlie's Angels"?)

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    probably some michael bay bullshit... or abrams trek... some shit like that.

  • and then stomp over teal'c whilst dioxholsters_ghost whimpers in the corner stroking a Zaniktel

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST

    I am FAR more convinced by this than Colombiana

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    The latter looked god-awful when I saw that trailer.

  • Nov. 12, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    number9997 , thermodynamics? Seriously?

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    Not sure that's strictly necessary to make your point, dude.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST

    HAYWIRE my ass! This movie should be titled GAYWIRE

    by lv_426

    Actually, I'm just kidding, and I can't believe no one came up with GAYWIRE yet. Come on cynical "I hate everything talkbackers", you're slacking here people. -------------- As for the film, it looks promising. I don't mind the female asskicker action heroine thing as long as it is done properly in regards to the story being told. When it is just some fake ass anime style wannabe Trinity princess flipping all over the place on wires (Milla Jovovich in the RE films, for example, or Kate Beckinsale in Underworld), then at this point it looks kinda silly. I think that is why Ripley and Sarah Connor stand the test of time so well. They can surely kick ass and blow shit up really good, but in addition to their characters being well written, they are still human and vulnerable and aren't Matrix-kicking giant aliens in the face in super sexy slow motion. Unless its Wonder Woman or some superhero chick, or something explainable in the mythos of the film like all the stuff that Trinity and Neo and Morpheus could do in The Matrix, then it can be kinda silly IMO. Haywire looks more on the believable side of things, kind of like a female Jason Bourne really. Add to that the fact that the woman starring in this film is an MMA fighter, and at least there is a great deal of credibility to her ass kicking antics.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Great trailer but...

    by The Dwayne

    ...does this mean we only get a few minutes of Fassbender in the flick? Plus his "fate" has already been determined? I don't care for trailers that give too much away.

  • I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't agree with this statement in regards to action films. Personally, I prefer a movie with a good ensemble cast working together to defeat their enemy instead of one superhuman Rambo or Commando dude blowing up everything in sight with relative ease. Actually, First Blood is kind of the exception to this, as the whole notion of that movie is that John Rambo was pushed just a bit too far by the dumbass small town cops and he fucking snapped and all that instinct embedded inside his mind from being a special forces soldier in Vietnam comes flooding back to his mind and he just reacts. Beyond that, Rambo II and III are fun, and stuff like Commando or The Transporter or Crank are guilty pleasures I guess, but none of that beats a good Dirty Dozen style approach, which is the ensemble approach. Now since we are talking female action heroes, I think part of why I love films like Aliens, Starship Troopers, Total Recall, and Conan the Barbarian, and Terminator 2 is because it isn't just the male or female taking the reigns in those films. Take Aliens for example. Ripley was the star and she kind of took the bull by the horns and helped everyone get organized after the fail that was the assault on the aliens' nest. But beyond that, Hicks was certainly a stand up dude, and then you have Vasquez tearing shit up too. I love that stuff. You can't just have the hero or heroine do every fucking thing to save the day. It looks silly. That is why some of Arnold's best films are the ones where it isn't just Arnold kicking everyone's asses, but where he has some help from a formidable ally (Total Recall, Conan the Barbarian, Predator, T2). So while I certainly can have a fun time watching Commando or Demolition Man, the action films that stand the test of time and actually resonate with me on a deeper level, are films like Aliens, Terminator/T2, Conan the Barbarian, Starship Troopers, etc... because the other characters actually mean something to the overall narrative and aren't there just to be splattered all over the place in some gory over the top cinematic death. And even when they do meet a grisly end, say in a Verhoeven film, they weren't there just for that purpose alone.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST

    =is attempting to copy Bourne kind of films. =

    by KilliK

    Bourne is down to earth realistic? since when?

  • They at least try to make things as believable as possible within the confines of the premise if amnesiac assassin/operative on the run alone and being outgunned and outnumbered.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I have been wanting to watch Nekromantic I and II for some time. What you say about them?

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I share your love for FIRST BLOOD. Rambo II and III are obnoxious, irritating and fucking godawful. The fourth movie was acutally a pleasant suprise, though. I see it as a direct sequel to the first movie, and it seems so does the movie itself.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Thanks CreepyThinMan

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    Nice to know what you actually LIKE. Haven't gone through the whole list, but I appreciate you doing such a thorough one (I know, I know, thing about lists is that you always think of some important ones to add and then think to yourself, "Why on earth did I forget that one?" or, in your case, "FUCKETY FUCKETY FUCK FUCK FUCK!" But yeah, I was curious - nice to see Ang Lee's "Hulk" picture on there, I'm personally a big fan but rarely hear nothing more than the most tyrannical rage for what I thought one of the most interesting super hero movies ever. Have a good one, CreepyMan.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Some good New York City movies on that there list of your'n.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

    Like that. (Pretty much a genre of it's own in my opinion - personally, I always thought the New York City of the movies was made up, imaginary, an amalgam of decades of past city history and nostalgia for the past all rolled up into one. Then I went there and saw the water towers, the holding tanks for water on the apartment roofs, just like in the pages of "The Amazing Spiderman," and, dude, I was gobsmacked. One of the great geek moments of my life, "IT'S REAL! It IS real!")

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST

    No Shaky-Cam: I´m There

    by CuervoJones

    This girl could kick your fat asses anytime. You know that, you nerd bitches.

  • Nov. 13, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    @asi go watch the Nektromantik flicks.ASAP.

    by KilliK