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An Unexpected Journey: Quint on the set of The Hobbit! Part 2 - They Call Me Mr. Chubb

Published at: Nov. 5, 2011, 12:29 a.m. CST

My name is Fredegar Chubb and I am a Hobbit. But I’m getting a little ahead of myself. Let’s back up a bit, shall we?

My alarm went off at 5am and I once again took the gorgeous 40 minute drive from my Hamilton, NZ hotel up through the rolling farmland hills towards Hobbiton. At base camp I barely had a moment to scarf down a quick breakfast before being whisked to the wardrobe tent to shed my human clothes and gain my new Hobbit skin.

I gotta say, the actual wardrobe was incredibly comfortable. Loose, suedey, just warm enough to cut down on the morning chill and covering enough to save my delicate “living-life-in-a-movie-theater-and-in-front-of-a-computer-screen” pasty white skin from the burning rays of the sun.

With a spring in my step I made my way to get the Hobbit ears put on, another innocuous process (the pain and torment would come later after the ears were removed and the sticky remnants of the spirit gum refused to leave my skin and hair for a week), and then I was off to the makeup trailer.

The worst part about the process was having to shave my beard off. I’d be willing to bet there’s a fair amount of AICN readers that understand why that particular process wasn’t my favorite. Big guys use their beards like shields. My shield was taken away from me because Shire-folk don’t have facial hair, so my saggy jowls would be immortalized for all time.

A lovely lady named Ricci-Lee turned my irritated, pale beardless face into a nice solid Hobbitesque visage, rosy cheeks and all. The wig was a surprising amount of work, the netting clipped to my real hair by bobby pins, hair clips and, ultimately, glue. My own hair was blasted with industrial strength hairspray and laid as flat as possible. Still, there was a lot of tugging to get the wig fitted, but when it was on it looked great. Of course, I immediately covered it up with a floppy Hobbit hat, but you could still see wild curls underneath.

Up to this point I had been tooling around base camp in my shoes and socks. It was time to shed the last vestige of humanity and take the final step of my transformation. That’s right, it was time for my feet.

 

 

On Lord of the Rings these feet were applied like shoes, glued at the ankle, which meant they had to be de-glued at the end of the day. In my brief time on the set of Return of the King I saw Elijah Wood undergo this process, which honestly looked kind of relaxing, but must not have been the most comfortable thing in the world to have to undergo every day for a year.

Hobbit feet technology has evolved in the last decade. No longer is there just a foot appliance, but a full silicone skin that your foot is guided into by a very patient prosthetics person (in my case a very pretty girl named Heather McMullan) until the heel sets in the squishy foot and then the skin of the leg is tugged up to just over your knee.

What that results in is a uniform piece that is secure and even provides a decent amount of padding for bare feet. There were some Hobbit feet that had little footies inside with extensions built into the toes so the wearer could actually twitch the big toe on the prosthetic.

I was in a pair of regular Hobbit feet, which were oddly comfortable as long as you didn’t stomp heel-first onto a sharp rock. Which happened. A couple of times. I’m sorry, heel. Please forgive me.

Fully Hobbited up, I was shuttled to Hobbiton and slowly made my way to The Green Dragon where a market place was set up outside. I spent the walk trying to get used to my floppy, furry feet and had a decent handle on them by the time I made it to the outdoor market.

It was nuts there. The giant Technocrane was set up near the famous bridge and mill overlooking the front of The Green Dragon which was decked out in dozens of rickety stalls selling everything from cheese to toys to books to fowl.

I was told I’d be handling a giant rooster for the shot. His name was Trevor and the action I was given was that I’d go up and pay the Hobbit selling him (whose stall also had ducks, pigeons and chickens), pick Trevor up and place him on the ground and walk him through the market. Yes, walk him. Trevor had a harness on with a rope tied to it, so the idea was that I’d walk him through the market on this harness.

I was given a crash course on how to handle roosters which went something like this: “Hold him at the breast, make sure your hands cover the wings, don’t let go and watch out for his claws. Now you try.” Turns out I’m a natural and didn’t have any trouble with Trevor, but sadly he and I weren’t meant to be. Again, I’m getting ahead of myself. I gotta stop that…

One of the cooler guys working crew on The Hobbit is a man by the name of Terry Notary. He is a movement coach, but geeks will know him for his rather iconic work in this year’s Rise of the Planet of the Apes. He played Rocket.

This guy knows his shit when it comes to movement (the secret to doing an ape is to fuse the hips, keep the head straight and lead with the chin, for example) and I consulted him on how to walk as a Hobbit. I didn’t want to look too bouncy or make my feet jiggle when stomping about.

Notary said Hobbits lead with their knees and are always happy, looking around as a child seeing something new and interesting everywhere they look. Also, the secret to keeping the feet from jiggling as I walked was to step down with my heel, but follow through with putting my weight on the edge of my foot. So, not heel-toe, but heel-edge-toe.

I was practicing this, trying to get Trevor to walk where I wanted by guiding him with my foot (this wasn’t going too well and I was wondering how on Earth I could do this when the cameras were rolling) when Peter Jackson came up and told me I was no longer going to be walking Trevor through the scene.

“How do you feel about fish?” he asked. I don’t eat ‘em, never could stomach the taste of seafood for whatever reason, but I don’t have any phobias about handling them, so I told him I was up for it.

“Good. You’re going to be selling a fish to Bilbo,” he said and I was pointed to the fish stall. An older extra was already placed there and the A.D.s pulled him out and put him in another part of the scene, placing me behind the counter which was flanked by baskets of realistic looking giant fake fish and eels.

(Note: I didn’t have my camera on me for obvious reasons, but I got this shot of the stall the next day. It’s about half-dressed, the real fish long gone, but gives you an idea of what my station looked like.)

 

 

I looked up and saw the Technocrane was pointed right at me. A few feelings hit me at once: excitement, nervousness and guilt. I felt really bad for that poor guy who was pulled out of this spot. He must have thought it was going to be his big moment. I did some extra work as a teenager and I know that excitement when you think you’re going to be featured and I know that disappointment when it doesn’t come to pass.

So, I felt sorry for this guy, but that feeling was quickly overcome by the realization that I was front and center for this shot and that I didn’t know what the hell I was going to do.

Peter was blocking the scene with Martin Freeman, which begins with Bilbo buying a fish and looking around nervously. At this point he has already been propositioned by Gandalf for the big adventure and expects the wizard to pop up and bug him about it some more, I guess. After buying the fish from me he bumps into another Hobbit named Worrywort pushing a wheelbarrow of vegetables and Bilbo asks if he has seen the wizard wandering about.

Over some stalls Bilbo sees Gandalf’s pointy grey hat and he tries to hide, usually behind other Hobbits including a confused Worrywort and an oblivious Hobbit couple on a romantic stroll through the market. This couple ended up being my friends Aaron and Kaela Morgan, who have joined me on many New Zealand adventures in the past and wasn’t about to pass up the chance at another. They were almost obnoxiously cute here, stealing kisses as they shopped, unknowingly hiding a Baggins.

 

 

It’s also of some note that Otho and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins are in this scene, Lobelia turning her nose down on Bilbo’s erratic behavior as he hides behind Worrywort. Her outfit is outrageously pomp, with the most ridiculous bright hat I’ve ever seen. The actress, whose name fails me at the moment, seems right for the character. Fans of the original films may remember Elizabeth Moody (the mum from Braindead) played the part in the Extended Edition.

I’m piecing this all together after-the-fact, by the way. Because the shot was wide and I was still in frame I couldn’t very well be watching Bilbo the whole time. I had to look like I was mongering some fish!

During blocking Peter introduced me to Martin Freeman. I had been on the set for a couple weeks at this point, but hadn’t met the man until that moment. Having been a long time fan of the UK Office and a recent admirer of BBC’s Sherlock, it was a pleasure to find that he was very easy going and a fun guy to joke around with for a day.

Freeman asked Jackson if my character had a name. I didn’t, of course, but Peter mentioned a website that takes your real name and turns it into your Hobbit name. Within 30 seconds Sebastian Meek, Peter’s awesome, funny and ridiculously tall assistant, had his iPhone out and looked it up.

That damned site said the Hobbit name for Eric Vespe was Fredegar Chubb, a rather unfortunate name for a husky Hobbit, I must say.

But it was too late. Jackson and Freeman heard it and it became my official name. I believe Freeman asked for a name in the first place so he could have a little business as he was picking out the fish, referring to this portly fishmonger as if he saw him on a weekly basis.

So, every take it was “See you next Friday, Mr. Chubb,” or “I’ll take that one, Freddy.” Mostly it was Mr. Chubb.

It was about this point, when I was feeling super happy with myself, that the real star of the scene… nay, the entire movie… showed up. I may be mistaken, but I believe this is his film debut. This future movie star, Oscar winner and humanitarian goes by the name Leroy and instantly drew every eye on the set.

Leroy is a giant pig. When I say giant I mean massive, easily 4½ feet tall. And that wasn’t the only thing massive about him, let me tell you. As Leroy passed by everybody got an eyeful of Leroy’s mammoth testicles. I’m talking ridiculously gigantic nuts here and they quickly became the talk of the marketplace.

I grabbed a photo of Leroy a couple of days later. I couldn’t let Leroy’s nuts go by undocumented. I succeeded. Behold Leroy in all his glory!

 

 

Holy shit, right?!? Don’t worry, The Hobbit is still going to be family friendly and Leroy’s particular talents weren’t facing the lens when they filmed. I think there’s a law about featuring nuts that big in 3-D, as well there should be.

Anyway, the wide shot started on us and pulled back to show the giant market and all the bustling business of a busy shopping day as Martin goes through his action.

Some real (dead) fish were brought out and Martin pointed to one, usually with a “Hrmmm… that one if you please, Mr. Chubb” and I grabbed his choice with a smile and dropped it onto a piece of paper, rolled it once, then wrapped it up in a second layer before handing it over to him. As I was busy wrapping the fish up, Freeman looked around nervously.

I handed the packaged fish to Mr. Freeman, who thanked me and put it in his basket, filled with tomatoes and other veggies, and walked off to have his run-in with Worrywort.

Of course I needed business for when Freeman and Worrywort had their encounter as I was still visible in the background so it was suggested that I either scale or de-gut some fish. It became clear that I’d run out of fish to scale within a few takes, so de-gutting was the decision because after each take I could shove the guts back into the fish carcasses and do it all over again.

Needless to say by lunchtime these three poor dead fish had been hollowed out a couple dozens times and spent some unflattering time in the sun. The smell was something else. It was almost a full time job keeping the flies off of them, which actually helped me keep busy during my time in the background. I could alternate between gutting the fish and shooing flies away.

The best memories I’ll have of my big day will always be of those 45 seconds before each take because it would just be Freeman and myself joking around. Jackson wanted everybody to be lively. Hobbits were content, jolly folk, after all. He’d be on the loudspeaker to all the extras telling us to move around, be loose and be happy. “Laugh with each other! Gossip and laugh!”

Typically this meant either Mr. Freeman or myself would crack a joke (usually about Leroy’s nuts) and laugh for real or go into comically exaggerated laughing which shifted down to us just having a good time when action was called.

Lunch was about to be called and I thought my day was over, but before everybody left Peter, Andrew Lesnie (the brilliant director of photography) and the camera operators blocked the next shot, a close up of the fish hitting the paper that pulled back to feature the top of my head as I rolled the fish, then my fat face as I handed the fish over. They also got a good, closer shot of Martin looking around nervously. The camera left me and got another angle on Martin as it followed him away to continue the scene.

Peter thought the pacing was a little slow, so he asked me to roll up the fish only once, but when I did it that way in the next take, I caught Martin at the beginning of his nervous look around.

Freeman requested that I still wrap it twice to give him a little time to look around, which Peter accepted as long as I sped it up a tad. Jackson did like the little moment of Bilbo being pulled out of his paranoia by the fishmonger, so he said I should get his attention when I was finished wrapping the fish.

Knowing I shouldn’t speak, the only options I felt I had were to either wave the wrapped fish in front of Bilbo’s face or give him a friendly tap. I went with the tap, but apparently that didn’t look good. Terry Notary gave me a note saying the movement came across as very modern and Peter came out shortly after and put it a bit more bluntly. “I like that you interrupt him, but the tapping looked bloody stupid.”

“Great,” I thought. “I’m ruining the movie.”

“We may have to give you a line,” Jackson said.

“Oh, Christ! We already gave you a name, now you’re getting a line?!? What more do you want!?!” cried Martin Freeman in feigned outrage. I responded that if he wasn’t careful Mr. Chubb would take over the franchise.

“How long are you here again,” asked Martin.

“Until December,” I replied.

“Ah. You’ll be Bilbo by November 18th,” Freeman conceded.

It was decided I would say a simple “sir” as I handed the fish over. I am by no means an actor and suddenly now I had to say something on camera. And I had to say it as a Hobbit, meaning I had to put an accent on the word.

My first attempt wasn’t wholly successful I’m afraid to report. Not only was I worried that my Hobbit accent was more Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins than an authentic inflection, Jackson said I was a little flat. Cue tightening butt-hole. Jackson had a thought, that I should be saying my line as I roll. As such, I needed more to say than just “Sir,” so I ended up with a nice, drawn out “’ere you go, sir!”

The important part was to keep it jovial. They wanted to see a twinkle in my eye and a smile on my face. Jolly happy Hobbits, remember?

After doing it that way Jackson’s focus seemed to be on the timing of the rest of the scene, so either I was doing something right or was given up on as a lost cause and they’ll fix my horrible line delivery in post, giving it to a talented actor to dub.

The framing of the beginning of the shot was on my hands as I plop the fish down and roll it up, I figured having clean, freshly washed post-lunch hands wasn’t going to work, so I looked around at what I had to work with. What I lacked in makeup I more than made up for in fish guts, both fresh and… not so fresh.

I was so proud of myself. My hands were disgusting, globs of greasy fish guts stuck in just the right places, my fingernails were filthy, and I even had some strategically placed fish scales to give it all a bit of texture. Pleased as punch, I went through all of the rehearsal with these movie ready hands.

After about 20 minutes and just before the first shot was to go up I went to refresh my now semi-dried fish gut-covered hands only to be confronted with something incredibly horrifying. There were dozens of tiny, translucent worms reaching up from the guts, wriggling like some Rob Bottin nightmare.

It took a second for me to remember I wiped all that crap on my hands. I took a closer look at them and sure enough those creepy little parasites were on my hands. A friendly crew member had a wet wipe and I wiped the worms away with a grimace, leaving enough (wormless) grime on my hands to work for the shot.

The show must go on, as they say, and we got the shot. I just hope that’s all we got.

All the crew were lifesavers, I have to say. They had to tend to 60 adult Hobbits, 10 Hobbit children (including Richard Taylor’s two kids), the animals, Leroy’s nuts and other big problems yet they were always Johnny-On-The-Spot with some water or an umbrella providing sweet, sweet shade.

It wasn’t long before my tiny part in this adventure was concluded. By this time my Hobbit feet felt like mini-waterbeds as I shuffled back to the shuttle, the day’s sweat having pooled down there.

That sounds disgusting, it was disgusting, but what wasn’t disgusting was the damn near orgasmic feeling of relief having those bastards pulled off in a puff of baby powder by some heroic makeup person. Okay, that is kind of disgusting, but it wasn’t to me, I can tell you. It was marvelous!

I asked if I could keep my feet and got a sympathetic “no way” from prosthetics Heather. Heist scenarios ran through my brain, but it would have taken a young Michael Caine to sneak those feet out of base camp.

Watching Mr. Chubb disappear piece by piece at the end of the day was a little sad, but the sweet relief of losing the itchy wig, squishy feet, prosthetic ears (which muffled sound all day) and getting back into my comfortable civvies balanced it out.

I have a new respect for those that undergo this process every day, be it Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan on Rings or Martin Freeman here. The dwarves have it a hundred times worse, too. Giant beards, noses, prosthetic hands, thick costumes. I don’t envy them.

So there you have the tale of Fredegar Chubb, a simple fishmonger who brushes shoulders with adventure. And by adventure, I of course mean Leroy’s nuts.

On that note, let’s take a little time to focus on a new crew member! Every report will feature a member of The Hobbit’s crew, often the unsung heroes of moviemaking.

Today we’re going to follow up on a guy I mention in the above report, Mr. Terry Notary.

 

 

Terry’s a little more high profile than most of the crew thanks to his amazing year. From portraying Rocket in Rise of the Planet of the Apes to the main alien in Attack the Block to consulting on The Hobbit, Notary is a man on the rise.

He began his career as a stuntie on Ron Howard’s The Grinch. One day on set Notary noticed that the stunt guys were all moving differently and he thought they should all have one uniform movement for the residents of Whoville, some kind of consistency so they’re not all over the place.

Notary came up with some basic walks and movements and was teaching the team this when he caught Ron Howard’s eye. Howard ended up launching his career by hiring him on as a movement coach. At first they didn’t know what to call his position and his thinking was that they have dialect coaches on sets, so why not a movement coach?

And so it began. He rose through the ranks and ended up in New Zealand.

On The Hobbit he once again coaches movement and knows how all the different species of Middle Earth move. Walking, running, crouching, speaking, sleeping, falling, eating, working, fighting, you name it, he can tell you the subtle differences that make each race unique.

Hobbits, as we already know, lead with their knees, always have a smile on their faces and their eyes are easily drawn by movement, color and shiny things. Dwarves are instinct-driven and lower to the ground. They lead with their gut. Elves are very outward thinking and don’t internalize or have any image of self, so they walk lightly, almost floating as they move.

I haven’t asked how Goblins, Orcs or Wizards walk, but Terry’s the man and I’m sure can slip into their walk at the drop of a hat.

Before I sign off I have one more little bit of coolness for you, a video that Rise of the Planet of the Apes fans might find of particular interest.

 

 

Like I said, Terry’s the man.

That about wraps up this new column. If you’ll excuse me, I have to start building up a detailed backstory for Mr. Chubb’s inevitable Tolkien-Wiki article. I’m thinking he perhaps plays a part in Fellowship; Old Man Chubb chucking fish heads at the Nazgul delaying them just long enough for Frodo and his Halfling friends to make it to Bucklebury Ferry, hence saving all of Middle Earth from Sauron’s return. I’m open to other possible Tolkien history backgrounds, just let me know in the talkbacks below.

Thanks for joining me on my Unexpected Journey! Stay tuned for the next article!

 

 

 

-Eric Vespe
”Quint”
quint@aintitcool.com
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  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:32 a.m. CST

    ...

    by paynoattentiontothemanbehindthecurtain

    qunit, you're awesome. keep 'em coming. thanks.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Genderbender please tell us what we should think about this article

    by Simpsonian

    I don't want to give my opinions without being educated first.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Love the video (and)

    by Lee Rainberg

    That guy is great. One thing I want to know, not sure if it's been reported. Will the 2D print of the final film be scaled down to 24p? Just interested, personally will see it in 3D at 48 but I am interested.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Q-Unit

    by Joey

    I'm not sure if that was a typo in the first post or not, but you should totally go by Q-Unit. or Fredegar Chubb. either way, great job. keep 'em coming.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST

    I never read set visits...

    by Drew Barth

    but I'm going to be transfixed by all that you have to report. So immersive and detailed. Keep up the great work.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST

    portland

    by Quint

    Get the fuck out of here, really? Man, that Hobbit name generator site must pay!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST

    @Portland @Quint

    by Kraken

    I say we edit the Wiki and say Fatty Bolger is Mr Chubbs grandson (his daughter married a Bolger)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST

    you lucky bugger!

    by sadclown

    but good onya!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Fish wrapping in 5K, 48FPS 3-D.

    by justmyluck

    Can't wait.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Another great little preview!

    by kinetickoala

    I'm so glad to have these. I contacted Quint a few days and he was super great; I'm glad it's him who gets to do these. Thanks again, man! It sounds like you had a blast.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:27 a.m. CST

    I hope you don't end up on the cuuting room floor, er

    by Dennis_Moore

    digital ether.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:28 a.m. CST

    cutting, damned sticky keys keyboard

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:32 a.m. CST

    huhhuhhuh...you said "chubb."

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Fatty does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Eric, great report! Yes, I think Fredegar *Fatty* Chubb could fit into the family tree as being Fatty Bolger's Grandfather. I'm sure if you delver deeply enough into JRR Tolkien's notes and archives you will find it to be so! Nice job on the bit part and remember if you don't make it into the theatrical release don't be downhearted - there's always the extended edition. Now with more Chubb.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:21 a.m. CST

    that video sucked

    by BBSloth

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:35 a.m. CST

    You're a lucky guy

    by Chris

    Keep the updates coming.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Quint....

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    These fucking articles rock! Nicely done man ;) The behind the scenes stuff on the EE LOTR DVD is one of the main reasons I quit my job 4 years ago to go work in film. I image there will some equally comprehensive and fun extras on the Hobbit DVD's. I would give my, or Leroys left nut to be working on this film!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Leroy's nuts

    by Kentucky Colonel

    His balls are always bouncing to the left and to the right. It's my belief that Leroy's balls should be held every night. LEE'S GOT BIG BALLS! LEE'S GOT BIG BALLS!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Hey Quint!

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I think Leroy's going to need a bigger boat!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I'm not the jealous type, but colour me green. You are one lucky sumbitch. Hope you are keeping your own private journal. Capital job, mate!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Quint

    by Kevin

    You realize that your in a very prominent hobbit family? In FOTR during Bilbo's farewell speech he mentions the Chubb(s)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Chubb takes out Sharkey

    by WerePlatypus

    and restores the entire Shire before Frodo and company return. Hence, they can share a drink at the green dragon and just chill at the end of ROTK. Then he fades back into the background and let Sam be the mayor. . . .

  • Great report again, Quint! Looking forward to the next one. Lucky bastard! :o)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST

    My Hobbit name is......

    by connor187

    Till Boggy-Hillocks!......Haha!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Love it. It's more magical having had a tour around there in 2006

    by the_shitweasel_with_a_quizzical_brow

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Hey not to be picky

    by Quackfu

    but my rememberings of the books: Hobbits don't like water. Smeagol's people were river folk but not the hobbits of Hobbiton/ Shire. Okay maybe they traded with humans or nearby dwarf clans.....

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Fatty Chubb slipping Bilbo his fish

    by BubbaDestructo

    That just sounds bad....

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:36 a.m. CST

    When will we see a teaser?

    by Sean1701

    I have a great idea for one. Too bad Peter Jackson can't hold contest.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    LEROY'S NUTS

    by Tigger Tales

    I'm in hog heaven!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    ________________________

    by Kevin

    ________________________

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    hope this scene won't get lost in the editing room

    by arthur

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Two days in a row...

    by t_allen

    Yesterday Jacksons video blog and today Quint on the set. Great way to kick off the weekend, thank you!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    fish and hobbits

    by AssyMuffJizz

    *Hobbiton* hobbits fear water. Hobbits from the eastern Shire do not. These fish could easily be imported.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    genderbender

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I think its pretty clear in the article that the two female makeup artists did great work.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Is that Quint in the Last Pic? Fat Suit?

    by ThisBethesdaSea

    Can anyone confirm?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Way to go, Fatty!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Once again, you have done this place proud. And yet, my jealousy grows!!! Let's hope that Fredegar doesn't end up on the cutting room floor.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    genderbender

    by Kevin

    Say no to drugs.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't concern yourselves too much with GenderBender, folks.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    She/He (It?) fails at life. Marvelous bit of trolling though. Props on that, yo.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Gender bender

    by Inglorious Bastard

    I know that you're just a troll, but it must be so hard to misunderstand both basic psychology and the rudimentary symbolism of the hobbit. Hobbits are supposed to be child-like and people have nostalgia for being a child. So it makes sense that people would identify with that innocence. At least unless you suffered some terrible abuse as a child...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Gender Britta'd both Hobbit TB's

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Way to go, ya fun blackhole. They were both fun, good natured, and dare I say it, respectful TB's, which lets face it we all know is rare currency in these here parts. Then Gender showed up...... :(

  • are all the writers here sloppy bastards?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Once again, nice job, Eric.

    by Fremen

    Keep these cool reports coming. They're quite fascinating.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Awesome job, Quint!

    by moondoggy2u

    Damn shame about your name, though. Poor beardless Fatty Chubbs.

  • Quoted for righteous truth. Sounds like this scene is ripe for the EE edition of Unexpected Journey. I can't see it making the theatrical cut when there's sooooooo much they've gotta cram in there.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    back on topic, genderbender

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Why did you gloss over the fact that Quint clearly was praising the work of the female crew? I am a man BTW, though a gay one. Does your hatred of men extend to your gay brethren as well?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Hobbit Envy....the size of the feet...

    by conspiracy

    little fucks must be hung like mules...no wonder Hobbit cunts are always Rosy Cheeked, baking food for their man and smiling.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Speaking of hobbit feet...

    by moondoggy2u

    I'm not sure I like the new way they designed the Hobbit feet. It sorta makes it look like the hobbits all have cankles. And now for confession time. I got freaking hobbit feet! I mean, my toes arent jacked up and hairy or anything, but the proportions look a little too damned close to quint's hobbit booties for comfort. I mean, i'm 6'3" but my feet are size 15! Worse part? My hair naturally looks like I'm sporting a Frodo wig. Pretty goddamn annoying being the worlds largest hobbit... But hey, at least I got a beard and nobody calls me Fatty Chubbs ;)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Christ! I just checked quint's Hobbit boots again...

    by moondoggy2u

    I think my feet might actually be longer...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    g / b

    by DrMorbius

    Waiting for your jeremiad questioning why there was no mention of any big fat 'sows' with huge hairy clits ... Represent! .

  • They went through many takes, redid the scene many times, and the AD even appears to have gotten a bit testy with his 'talent'. well done quint - If Jackson doesn't contact Harry and, at the very minimum, assure us that this scene will be included as a 'deleted extra', then I wont see either movie. U hear me, Jackson? I want promises that if I buy the blu-ray, that I get this scene somewhere on that disc. make it so - contact Harry now.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Just stopping by the shire for a Fatty Chubb

    by gotilk

    Tis a fine weed.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' Genderbender

    by Al Swearengen

    I'm looking for a few new whores to work at my joint, The Gem. Seeing as how you're a rather loopy fuckin' cunt, I'd like to offer you room and board for suckin' cock and the like. You wouldn't have to turn tricks for the specialists just yet. I'll wait to see how you fuckin' do with them hoopleheads first before I let you make a run at the big money. Just remember to keep your underarms clean and your cunt braided. And I better not catch you charging anything less than $5...or $7 if it's an ass fuck.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Hambut Proudneck of Tuckborough salutes you!

    by robogeek.com

    I love these set reports, Eric. So much fun! (And that Hobbit name generator is awesome.)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Apparently, my hobbit name is Milo Broadbelt

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    loving these set visits, Quint!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Oh hell yeah! My hobbit name is apparently...

    by moondoggy2u

    Gundabald Underhill! Read it and wheep, Fatty Chubbs!! Bow before Gun Underhill!! Incidentally, my real name is Samuel Collins.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Whoops--looks like its Gundabald OVERhill.

    by moondoggy2u

    Gun Overhill sounds even better if ya ask me.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Pantstrout Thickentrunk

    by gotilk

    Whoops, wrong name generator.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Gender

    by Quint

    To be fair, "lovely" has nothing to do with physical appearance, so you're giving me shit for nothing on that one. I also didn't remember the name of the guy who played Otho Sackville-Baggins, does that mean I hate men, too? I didn't meet either of them, neither are on IMDB, so there's your big "I hate women" conspiracy explained. By the way, this is getting a little tiring. I've let you control many talkbacks now, but I'm getting tired of seeing you derail the discussion on every article. You're not on point, just trolling. So consider this a warning that if you keep it up you're gonna get banned. You can't say I didn't give you the floor for months and months. It's getting ridiculous now. Fair warning, from a "knuckle-scrapper."

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Oh the best thing you can do for *her* is ignore *her*

    by gotilk

    We're looking at actual mental illness. And her Hobbit name is Misandra Emasculfoot.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Troll, Idiot, whatever. Genderbender is a sad human being.

    by jimmy_009

    And he or she has my pity.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Fair warning, GB. Trust me, "honey," the last thing you want to see

    by moondoggy2u

    is Fatty Chubbs UNCLOAKED!!! Just remember, he's not trying to ban you. He's trying to HELP you.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    genderblender's hobbit name

    by macheesmo3

    is Cunting Hag from Hardbottle

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Who else immediately did a google or IMDB search...

    by mattforce7

    of Heather McMullan when Quint said he has some very cute girl working on his feet? Cuz every guy has that fettish...r..right?

  • Nov. 6, 2011, midnight CST

    Great article

    by Anthony Torchia

    I hate you passionately :) Why not have Chubb be the best friend of the old Gaffer?

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 12:01 a.m. CST

    make him Sam's godfather

    by Anthony Torchia

    or whatever passes for that in Hobbitville

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I don't know if I like my Hobbit name...

    by Fremen

    Till Millstone of Bywater.... Sounds part farmer/miller.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Last name Brockenborings

    by The Fuck

    haha, guess im boring as fuck then.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Mungo Gamgee-Took of Bywater is my name.

    by Madcapper

    So I guess I'm related to both Sam AND Peregrin.. This piece was really good Quint. Hopefully the fact that you now are in the know, means AICN will keep updating us on these productions all the way to the release. And Genderbender, I'm gonna miss your bullshit. Iv'e had fun.

  • Its obvious the girl knows a great deal about Tolkien. I don't agree with many of her conclusions, and I don't appreciate the occasional insult, but you can't deny her posts are more than just hate filled diatribes. They do make you think, make you regroup, and make you dig deep to fight for what you think is right. Still, the girl knows her Tolkien, and that's impressive. For more impressive than the other crazy feminist, GenderBlender, who was not as intelligent and always resorted to insults, and worse, lies and half-truths and little-to-no-researched claims to make her points. Glad that troll is gone.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    I used the Hobbit name maker in college after FOTR came out

    by D.Vader

    Made names for all my friends. One girl friend of mine became Ruby Chubb, and that nickname for her stuck around for a few years between my roommate and myself. I don't know if she appreciated it.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    That was great, Quint.

    by Mr Nicholas

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST

    My fiance's new name is Poppey Cotten

    by moondoggy2u

    She seems to like it--been saying it over and over again all this morning.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Gender=The Fred Phelps of AICN talkbacks

    by Knobules

    Way to make a name for yourself hatemonger.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Love love love these articles, Quint!

    by Clabog592

    Been sharing these first two with friends who don't frequent AICN, and they love them! Between these and Peter Jackson's video blogs, the wait until next Christmas is slightly more bearable. Slightly. Any word on when part three will be up?

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST

    hobbit name

    by drave117

    Drogo Peatfingers of Brockenborings. Not too shabby!

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Grigory Proudfoot of Standelf

    by AssyMuffJizz

    ProudFEET! God, I am such a dork. Put me in Team Genderblender too btw. I love you, Quint, but I think you're taking GB's schtick too seriously. Me, I think it's occasionally pretty hilarious...

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    @D.Vader "Its obvious the girl knows a great deal about Tolkien."

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    Personally, I thought the opposite was obvious. s/he just skims what she needs from to make her point and ignores the stuff that would undermine that. S/hes like a high-school debater, and not a very good one, IMO. Just has wikipedia open in another tab, I'd imagine.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    To be sure, Chonicallydepressedlemming

    by D.Vader

    She certainly hasn't displayed any of that knowledge in this thread.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Sweet Quint that's awesome!

    by Fritzlorrerains

    Congrats man I'm so happy for you i cant wait to see your scene on the big screen!

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Olo Sandybanks of Frogmorton

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    I wonder if they'll let me put that on my driver's license. Or maybe I can use that as a new identity for a tax dodge. Great behind the scenes stuff, Quint, but I'm afraid this is pure EE stuff. Also, is that your real stomach? Not good, dude, not good.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Epic visit is Epic

    by Terminocity

    Envy doesn't really quite describe how we all must feel for ya Quint. It would be a dream to have even a tiniest part in the Star Wars of our generation. I hope you make it into the theatrical cut! Tell Peter that if they need a stand in for Smog dung, I'll gladly fly out.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8 p.m. CST

    Chubbs the fishmonger named after a river fish

    by spacechampion

    According to wikipedia, Chubbs was named by Tolkien for its similarity to chubby, but the actual English surname refers to a type of river fish. So its fitting that Fredegar "Fatty" Chubbs is a fishmonger!

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8:01 p.m. CST

    THIS movie is going to be HUGE.

    by justmyluck

    The one that wisely stuck with large format over a *live on stage* 48fps electric boogalloo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKhB2ooH7nA

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    My hobbit name is Bingo Gamwich of the Bree Gamwiches

    by DOGSOUP

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Berilac Chubb here.

    by NativeGaijin

    Hey Quint, I didn't know we were related. It makes sense though. We both share an unhealthy attachment to our facial hair...and food.

  • Heh. Made myself laugh.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Bring the Hammer DOWN Quint!

    by javery56

    also cool article.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST

    that GenderBender's one hot dame.

    by Nomoredirtyanything

    but although I mostly laugh at her schtick she cannot be surprised at a banhammer threat. I mean shit GB, you sure are one elephant-ass sized bunch of crazy.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Ah, GenderBender...

    by King_Knut

    ...you'll never find a fella to keep you in high heels and make-up with that attitude.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SPIN-OFF "THE CALL ME MISTER CHUBBS".

    by Darth Busey

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 6:43 a.m. CST

    "THEY CALL ME MISTER CHUBBS"

    by Darth Busey

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Pig Nutz

    by Himbo

    is a better name for a snack than "Corn Nutz". Tiny pieces of pork rind, pressed into the size of a peanut.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Quint's SMACK must be getting heavy...

    by JethroBodine

    Cuz he just laid it down! *POW!*

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Another great report Quint!

    by Michael Tyree

    Keep it up hombre and thanks for keeping it relatively spoiler free. You are the man...erm, I mean Hobbit!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    A featured extra! Congratulations!

    by Plathismo

    You're living the dream, Quint. Great writeup.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    HEY QUINT! IT TURNS OUT THAT WE'RE RELATIVES!!!!!!!

    by JethroBodine

    I just popped my name JethroBodine into the Hobbit Name Generator and *wham*bam*alakazam* out popped my Hobbit name... "Sancho Chubb". Aww hellz yeah! LET'S GO CHASE SOME HOBBIT WINDMILLS!!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    d.vader...

    by Michael Tyree

    ...fenderbender doesn't know shit about Tolkien's world other than a few easy gleanings picked up by Googling. Even those are error prone. Go back to the last PJ production dairy TB and read the utter bullshit put forth near the end. As a troll, he/she/it doesn't even rate a response so you dimwits keep feeding the putrid maw. Mercier, the King of T.B's...now THERE was a great troll!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Quint in defense of GB

    by GrndlWnderer

    She/he/they may be trolling ( okay are trolling) and while I by no means agree with the ... vehemence of GBs postion on sexual politics, I really cannot argue that modern movie making isn't years behind in how it portrays women and their roles in society. For purposes of disclosure: White,male,married, children,lower middle class, moderately liberal. I think GBs position is a little extreme and GB ( rather than apply a non provable gender pronoun, I will stick with GB) may be attempting an agiprop stance here, but lets face it...we are a great audience to throw these particular type of rocks at (go read about Aeschylus) ...mostly male, probably predominantly white and middle class ( just a guess folks) and between the ages of 18 and 40 i would also surmise..we represent the vast majority of the money behind movies...so it is our tastes that producers cater too...and as an indirect result the portrayal of women in these movies and their effects on women and girls in particular, are kinda our fault. Micheal bay exists because we ( as a demographic) support his movies. I like to think GB is trying to make us aware of that fact ...failing that, then GB is simply a sad person hiding behind the supposed anonymity of the web and flinging pooh at the spectators for no purpose. And to be fair as well, GBs insults have been nowhere near as offensive as those sent back...and for the most part are far more entertaining. There are far more offensive materials being allowed on this site, I have seen references to deviant sex acts to be committed upon unwilling random females that have gone on for days and days and seen no mention of the ban hammer, if GB throws a few knuckle scrapping comments out there I really cant see how it elicits such a strong response... BTW Quint, love these articles and the focus on crew members who don't normally get attention is great.... today's example is pretty fantastic.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Gender...give the feminist, man hating bollox a rest.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    For fucks sake.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Interesting article and Quint's still a lucky bar steward.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Wish I could be a Hobbit..........sigh. Or better still an Orc.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    No pig has nuts that big. But Brian Cox does...

    by Mattman

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Just the kind of details I love to read

    by Mary

    This was an awesome report, Quint! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “Oh, Christ! We already gave you a name, now you’re getting a line?!? What more do you want!?!” cried Martin Freeman in feigned outrage. I responded that if he wasn’t careful Mr. Chubb would take over the franchise. “How long are you here again,” asked Martin. “Until December,” I replied. “Ah. You’ll be Bilbo by November 18th,” Freeman conceded. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hahaha! I know they won't cut this scene out. How could they? Sounds like a time you'll not forget. I love how you described not only the putting on but the taking off of the hobbit costume. I heard a lot of it from the cast of LotR, but nothing in this detail. It was interesting how the feet actually pull up past the knees, now. Loved Kaela and Aaron playing the romantic couple too.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    genderbenders

    by mynameis jonas

    I just spoke with your leader nancy pelosi and she told me to tell you to die in a fire!!! please kill yourself. thanks! kbye. Great job quint! -toe n knuckle dragger

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Don't feed the man-she.

    by DocPazuzu

    Seriously, while I commend your trollish efforts for sheer stamina alone, I must point out that you overplayed your hand with that ludicrous story about writing some sort of thesis based on talkbackers. We all know a link to that vapor paper will never appear. I deal with a lot of people the likes of which you're apparently spoofing on an almost daily basis. While you do a good job of capturing some of the looniest, crypto-fascist arguments and exuding the bitterness and dearth of humor that so many of them predictably possess, you're just an inch over the top which ruins the illusion. Thanks for playing, though.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Great article.

    by KGB3317

    This is the kind of stuff that AICN is known for. Bring on more set-visits! This movie is going to be great btw. I'm still torn on Peter jackson coming back though, I would have liked to see someone else's vision of Middle Earth.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 12:26 a.m. CST

    the Brian Cox jokes

    by KGB3317

    are getting stupid now, there's no other word for it

  • http://www.harryfielder.co.uk/ ...superb!

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    genderbender, finally a bit of civility. And all it took was the little threat of a banhammer...

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I dunno, cobra... I think s/he

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST

    was legitimately contrite.

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Wait, Gender"blender" or bender derailed a talkback?

    by skycrapper

    shocking...

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    y hobbit name is Minto Chubb.

    by smokie

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 9:31 p.m. CST

    My Hobbit name is Minto Chubb

    by smokie

    How did that website know that I was fat??? There is some kind of spyware thing going on there me thinks.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    youre a grade a cock, choppah

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Don't ever change.

  • Nov. 9, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Poodoo Fingeringhoe Glockenschpiel

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    A.K.A Puff Daddy

  • Nov. 9, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Ehhh....I'm gonna completely pass on this film. That way I won't be disappointed!

    by Damned if I can login

    It's a real shame that a crappy cartoon from Rankin-Bass with about one 10,000th of the budget can be vastly more faithful to the source material. And although I typically wait to see a film before panning it, in this case I'll make an exception after seeing all the additional characters that have been written into a story that didn't need fixing. Oh well, I can amuse myself with the probable backlash of hate from the legion of Peter Jackson ass-kissers. C'mon...don't let me down...I want to hear how all the changes are "necessary", and how they actually make the story better! Frodo....of the nine fingers....and the Ring of Doom.... Oops! Wrong cartoon....!

  • Nov. 9, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah, all the additional one character(s).

    by Michael Tyree

    Whoopee-do, Tauriel, lover of Fili and Kili (who knows? I don't and neither do you). No backlash from the legion of Jackson haters either. You know, the ones who already hate it and will bloviate ad infinitum on how much they already hate something they haven't seen yet. The color of fire will probably be "to real" anyway. But, please, don't let that stop you from coming to a Hobbit TB just to tell everyone you're not interested in the subject of the TB. Makes perfect sense to me. Face, it we'll be seeing the same thing that Tolkien himself did when he re-wrote the Hobbit to completely tie-in with his later work, the Lord of the Rings. At least Quint posted a set-pic for non-fans so that they can fixate on something more to their taste...a pair of giant pig gonads. Dam you Jackson, there were no giant pig balls in the book!

  • Nov. 9, 2011, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Marvelous!

    by Damned if I can login

    Better than I could ever have hoped for! And I barely understood a word you said!

  • Just askin', y'know....

  • Nov. 9, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Oh, BTW...Quint, not bashing you bud...you look like you're having fun..

    by Damned if I can login

    Go for it! And if you could get some footage of you and Frodo singing Frodo of the Nine Fingers that would be awesome. I mean, I know it's the wrong cartoon and all, but it couldn't hurt to ask....

  • Nov. 10, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Ah, the old...

    by Michael Tyree

    ..."I barely understood a word you said" gambit. Weak brother, weak. There's only one new character, Tauriel. Since when does a count of one (1) constitute "additional characters"? I don't know how much of a speaking role the one additional character will have and neither do you. Will that one character completely change the arc of the story compared to the book? Dunno, beats me...you don't know either. That is, of course, unless you are privy to the script. If that's the case...give us the spoilers! NOONE ever said anybody needed permission post anywhere they wanted. So please quit with the non-excuse whining and post away. If you want to blindly bash something you haven't even seen yet then, by all means, go for it. There, consider that an invitation (as if one were needed). Please continue your trolling and mindless genre bashing though a little creativity would be appreciated. Ha-ha...he said "cartoon." Gosh-gee-willikers! Never, ever heard that one before. Did I get through this time?

  • Nov. 10, 2011, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Even better than before!

    by Damned if I can login

    My, such creativity! Please continue! BTW, you left out Dain, Frodo, Galadriel, Legolas, Radagast, and Saruman. None of those characters appear in the original, and IMDB lists them as part of the cast. For some reason you keep saying "one". So far I count seven. Wanna bet there will be more? Wonder what will be cut from the source to make room for these appearances? I'm "mindlessly trolling"...well, that one sort of applies. "Genre bashing"....ummm, *way* off. I'm not bashing the genre friend, I'm bashing PETER JACKSON. I paid (stupidly, at that) to see the first three, and I didn't like them. At all. They weren't Tolkien. Therefore - for the same reasons - I refuse to waste my time (and especially my hard earned cash) on this, since based upon what he did with the previous 3 films one can say with confidence that this new film will be similar, in that it WILL NOT be Tolkien. It'll be a meandering hodgepodge of something loosely based on Tolkien, but it won't be Tolkien. If I'm a troll for being honest, so be it. Just a reminder, I never said "this will suck balls" or "epic fail", or any of that stuff. I said: "I have no interest in seeing this." And that's simply because the same things done to the Trilogy will be done here, it will not be a faithful rendering of the source material. Comparing them to the crappy cartoons, the cartoons are much more faithful. Oh, and FYI...it's NO ONE or NO-ONE. Noone would be Peter Noone, as in the lead singer for the 60's moptop band Herman's Hermits. Notice I mention this with no ad hominem attack.

  • Nov. 10, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Left one out: Azog

    by Damned if I can login

    That makes eight.

  • Nov. 10, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Nine!

    by spud lee

    Fredegar Chubb

  • Nov. 10, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Ah, I see the commo breakdown.

    by Michael Tyree

    First: I'm reacting to your sarcasm...I'll turn mine off...it was just a reaction to your tone. Second: NOONE is an old time AICN inside joke as Harry seemed to use it all the time. Sorry for thinking you'd know about it (assumed you were a long time AICN user). Thanks for the FYI but since I used to sing along with H & the Hermits, I know the ditty well. Third: Tauriel is a new character that will appear in the story proper. I wasn't counting the intro where, evidently, Bilbo and Frodo will be introducing the story. This scenario is similar to Tolkien's "The Quest for Erebor." which sees the remaining Fellowship discussing the events fo the War of the Ring in Minas Tirith after the downfall of Sauron. Forget if it was Gimli or Pippin that asked Gandalf how he ever decided to mix up Bilbo with the somber Thorin and company to go liberate their long forgotten gold. In the movie, it appears Jackson is setting this in the Shire. I see where you're coming from now. However, Jackson has plainly stated he will be using all of the available, (legal) back story which includes the LotR appendices (c'mon, you really don't want to see a flashback to the Battle of Azanizulbar (possible spelling error)?). Also, in the published Hobbit, we see Gandalf (**SPOILER**) bugging out and leaving Bilbo and the Dwarves at the entrance to Mirkwood. Jackson will show the events of which Gandalf participated that aren't directly related in the book. So, it's not really anything that isn't already in the book...just fleshed out in detail. Therefore, why would we not see Galadriel if she, along with Saruman, are present at the White Council? Can't wait myself. In that respect, I agree. We will not be seeing a literal re-telling of the published Hobbit but rather the very last Tolkien re-write that was never published. Mr. T was convinced he had left the tone of his beloved Hobbit behind and decided against publishing yet another, and very different, edition of the Hobbit. Fourth: I'm just curious as to why someone would want to waste their time commenting (or attempt a discussion) on something they have no intention of seeing. Doesn't that suggest just wanting to fuck with those who obviously do? I think that's commonly referred to as "trolling." Assumed you were one of those mindless genre bashers as a result. Last: As a long time Tolkienite, I certainly understand any book fans disappointment with LotR, the movie. I took it for what it was...a wonderful adaptation in its own right and thoroughly enjoyed it, warts and all. I see the same with the Hobbit and, as a result, advise all my friends with children to please, please read them the book or have them read it (even better!) themselves before seeing the movie. Otherwise it'll seem rather tame. I am looking forward to Jackson's prequel to his movie...I'm not in any way, shape or form expecting it to be anything other than a movie prequel. I fully expect to hear some tra-la-lallying too!

  • Nov. 10, 2011, 10:57 p.m. CST

    mangogman, I have not read any of the posts above yours...

    by Jaka

    ...but I love every word of what you just said. As another long time Tolkienite, if we get all that out of the two Hobbit films I'll be more than pleased.

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST

    It's not goin' on in the 'Tron

    by the matman

    Hey Quint - my unbridled envy of you for being in the movie is only matched by my complete sympathy for you being stuck here in Hamilton. Despite it's (ironic) local nickname "Hamil-tron - City of the Future" (usually shortened to just the 'Tron - for real, there's t-shirts and everything!) is not exactly the most happening part of Aotearoa. If you're looking for a comic fix there is a great comic shop on Victoria St just down the road from the hotels called MK1 Comics. I'm slightly biased because I worked my way through university there (along with Christian Pearce from Weta) and still review for their website but its a great store and Chris (the owner) is an awesome dude. Hope you enjoy your stay here in Hicksville!

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I begin to like you Earthman, and I saw fear in the Klingon's eye...

    by Damned if I can login

    As an adversay you're growing on me friend, although you're spoiling thoroughly my game of "Bait the Jacksonites"....rats. But mostly because you know who Peter Noone is! Damnation I've been raggin' Harry for more than 10 years on that one, but I usually say: "Noone liked it? You mean Peter Noone, lead singer of Herman's Hermits liked it? I'm in!" As of now you're the first person to notice. I'm also glad you noticed the obvious sarcasm, although I didn't think I was whining. I actually thought my Frodo of the Nine Fingers song request with the cartoon crack was, ehh....mildy amusing in a smart-assed kinda way. I suppose I've become the user who constantly rants about disliking Peter Jackson's Tolkien-related efforts, similar to the way asimovlives feels about JJ's Star Trek. Cool. In that respect I'm gonna muster up the stones and say exactly what's buggin' me. Because I really think Peter Jackson should be the LAST person to helm a Tolkien adaptation, based on his previous work. I won't deny I was trolling a little, but hey - I'm on topic...and I'm not trying to derail this talkback with a stupid political diatribe. In truth I'm not taking this stand just to be provocative, I actually FEEL this way...I'm truly passionate about Professor Tolkien's story. I say story, because his works dovetail into this incredible tapestry, but remove/change 25-30% of these details and things just don't fit the same way. I have no qualms about saying that the disappointment I have with Jackson's previous films is frikkin' ponderous. They were lovely to look at...sets, cast, effects...just lovely. But the story and dialogue...? He dropped the ball, big time. Jackson had the chance to make THE definitive Tolkien adaptation that could never be denied, never be rivaled. But for some strange reason he chose not to do this. And I just don't understand why, but that point is moot anyway. And man, the way some of the Jacksonites argue vehemenently that his movies are better than the original story!!! These folks can be damned nasty...I've been called every dirty name in the book. On one IMDB talkback, one user had these incredibly turgid, bizarre explanations as to why Jackson was justified completely for changing the line "I am the Mouth of Sauron"! And this lunatic was cursing me viciously for suggesting Jackson should've used that line of dialogue. Quid pro quo, y'know...at least to some degree. And I don't really see Jackson's statement to use all the available source material holding a lot of water. His interpretation of the vast quantities of information related to LotR and the Silmarillion was spotty at best, he took the same liberties with these properties as with the primary story. Although your comment about different versions of The Hobbit is interesting. I'll need to research that a bit more. And yes, Gandalf did abandon the party, and we know all about the Necromancer at Dol Guldur and the White Council. And in this respect, yeeeeeah....I guess I could see that scene. But I wonder, what will be excised in lieu of this? If in the end a faithful adaptation is delivered, I'll be the first to buy a ticket to NZ and kiss Jackson's big fat Kiwi ass. But not holding my breath here...seein' as how The Hobbit, as written, is a bloody musical! Oh, and where the frag did you come up with the comment of the Battle of Azanulbizar???? That's a damned good one...obscure as all get out! My compliments. I'll end this long reply with a quote from Earl Hamner, creator of The Waltons, writer of many excellent classic Twilight Zone episodes, and screenwriter of Charlotte's Web, when asked: "Do you find it a particular challenge to adapt another writer’s work?" HAMNER: I have adapted several works by other writers. I am always guided by the oath that doctors take, “First, do no harm.” And it is important to me to keep the integrity of the original writer. Ahem...

  • Nov. 11, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    sorry for all the spaces...

    by Damned if I can login

    How the hell did that happen? And it's ADVERSARY, not ADVERSAY. Bloody blasted lack of editing tools...

  • Dec. 30, 2011, 11:06 p.m. CST

    My hobbit name is...

    by John

    ...Olo Loamsdown of Deephallow.