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Will Benicio Del Toro Be The Villain In STAR TREK 2?

Nordling here.

No word on plot, but Variety has an interesting bit of casting for STAR TREK 2 - J. J. Abrams wants Benicio Del Toro to play the villain in the next STAR TREK film.  According to Variety, Del Toro will soon be offered the role and as usual Abrams is playing his cards close.  Will Del Toro be playing Khan?  He wouldn't be a bad choice if he were, but I'm thinking he'll be playing a new villain we haven't seen before.

Del Toro hasn't signed yet, but I hope he takes it.  How about you?

Nordling, out.

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  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Captian Kirk will flip ya for real!

    by Secretagentnumber6

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    "gimme the keys captain kirk...

    by bluebalrog

    you fucking cahksuckah."

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by zillabeast

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST

    No Kahn, please!

    by lochkray

    Kahn was played to perfection once by Ricardo Mantalban. There is no need to do the character again. Love or hate the last one, at least it was something new and different. Pulling such an over-the-top character like Kahn out would be pointless, and could only bring negative comparison. At best, you would end up with a passable imitation.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I hope they don't use him as Khan


    I hope he is an ST II, but not as Khan. Been there, done that.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Did you jus see what God diid maan?!

    by UltraTron

    God didn't do that. It was the Klingons

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    as your attorney..

    by nolan bautista

    ..i advise you to stay away from that green bitch..

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by bluebalrog

    it's K-H-A-N

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    In english please


    He'll make a good villain but I hope they hold off on Kahn for a while.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST


    by Secretagentnumber6

    I both agree and disagree. Since we are in a completely different timeline in the TrekVerse there is no need to make Khan ape the Mantalban version of the character, he could be completely new incarnation of the same character with a completely different background as Project Genesis likely does not exist or has not happened yet in the new Trekverse. If they do go the same route though I would not want Khan to be the villian, whats the point in that, in that case I agree with you.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Please no Khan

    by Steven Carrita

    I'd like to see him play a rogue Starfleet officer that's wreaking some kind of havoc and the Enterprise gets sent to stop him. A Starfleet/Starfleet conflict really hasn't been done in the movies so it would be somewhat fresh of an idea.

  • The backstory comics would be a blockbuster movie of it's own as well. At least an animated film or something would have been nice. Next Generation cast and all.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Did they pay you to screw that tribble?

    by Mugato5150

    What's taking so long with thing? They should be cranking out movies every 2 years. As for Khan, that wouldn't work within the confines of one film without a lot of changes. The story arc takes place over 15 years. And one of the central themes is Kirk facing middle age. The guy who plays Kirk now is what, 16? And they're not going to kill Spock again. Plus they'd have to shoehorn WWIII taking place in the 1990s.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I hope they get a new ending this time.

    by Shermdawg

    New Trek and the TNG flicks, same shit nearly every time.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    "A bunch of gay guys working at a Mac store"....

    by The_guy_in_the_rated_R_movie

    With Quinto coming out, it's all making sense now...

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The true villain will be the same as in the first movie!

    by I Hope You Die

    JJ Abrams!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I'm betting he'll be a Klingon

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    he'd make a good one.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Del Toro is playing ASIMOV_LIVES -- the most dangerous enemy...

    by Chris Moody this Trek reality! Del Toro doesn't use photon torpedoes or phasers. Rather, he relies on his wit to argue that this universe is not nearly as great as a different parallel universe. To beat him, young Captain Kirk reasons with him...ultimately convincing him that all is well in both realities. Then, he sends him and his followers to Seti Alpha VI. Asimov_Lives works on an experiment to create a worm hole to the former reality...but ends up destroying the Seti Alpha VI in that reality. This alters the orbit of Seti Alpha V in that reality...setting up the events for one of the greatest science fiction films in history, STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:39 p.m. CST

    *Ceti Alpha VI

    by Chris Moody

    Forgive my spelling error.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I'm thinking "Space Hippie"

    by skydemon

    That's real now man, I reach you. Trek II -The Way To Eden.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I hope it's not Khan....

    by odysseus

    New villain, please.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I'm Pro Khan

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    Everyone thought that the Joker was owned by Jack Nicholson, and look how that turned out. I'm pretty sure if they went the Khan route it would be totally different(it's an alternate reality, they're not going to shit on your precious Wrath of Khan...grow up babies). I've always thought that Khan's character still had loads of potential in him anyway.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by Grimjack99

    I'm thinking he's gonna be a Klingon.

  • created by Jar Jar Abrams. Not a gungan, but a synthetic construct created by doctor noonian on his way to creating data. A failed creation; he disposed of it thinking that was the end of it- never realizing that he had given the android the ability create terrible movies..(keep going with this)

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    I...have had enough...of you!!!

    by performingmonkey

    Get Christopher Lloyd back. And Shatner for one last spin!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Klingon you Fool theres no Khan in this movie!

    by Norm3

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    He's playing the Klingon "CHE GUAVARA."

    by Chris Moody

    His last words to Kirk, "I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a Klingon!"

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    He's playing the Klingon "CHE GUEVARA."

    by Chris Moody

    His last words to Kirk, "I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a Klingon!"

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    We're getting a werewolf in Star Trek?

    by sweeneydave

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Was Brian Cox too busy? Shame!

    by reaperone

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    So who stole fuckin truck?

    by notcher

    Kirk had his finger up my asshole tonight. "Is it Friday already?" Nero was a great bad guy, fuck the haters!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I'm an Ameri-KHAN, not an Ameri-KANT

    by Duck of Death

    The reason Khan can work in rebooted Trek is that, since the timeline has been radically altered, there's zero reason why the story would be anything like what came before. They could take this incredible, iconic character and place him in a completely new scenario that doesn't ape the original Space Seed or TWOK in any way. For instance, what if some other, non-Enterprise Starfleet vessel first encountered the Botany Bay, and that crew wasn't as fortunate as the Enterprise? And they went on to capture other Starfleet ships? Imagine Kirk and company first encountering Khan at the head of a crazy armada of heavily armed starships. The story could go a thousand different ways from there, and that's just one possible premise. Let's face it, Khan is a great villain -- one of the all-time greats. The character has dramatic potential that is greater than any one storyline. And there is a prime opportunity here to bring that character back, not just as a lame retread of the original story, but in a whole new way.

  • I sure am. Del Toro with a goatee looks like an Old School TOS Klingon. So if he has ridges then we can debate all over again. But since Enterprise called it with the Augment Virus, I'm guessing in the JJ-verse all of the updates in technology (taken from Nero's Narrada scans by the Kelvin) extended to the Kligons fixing the Augment Virus. And, therefore, Del Toro will have ridges.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Kirk knows everything...

    by DougMcKenzie

    Everybody I ever worked with or did time with! You could well redo Usual Suspects with this cast: Del Toro back as Fenster Karl Urban as Dean Keaton Chris Pine as McManus Simon Pegg as Todd Hockney Quinto as Verbal Kint John Cho as Kobayashi Zoe Saldana as Edie Finneran Bruce Greenwood as Agent Cujan There you go!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    Come forth and cast your long shadow upon this dire news....

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST


    by lochkray

    Spelling noted: Khan. Secret Agent #6, interesting point: However, the alternate universe, in new Trek, only started when Nero came back into the past and destroyed the Kelvin and killed Kirk's father. That was in 2233, and should have had no affect of the Eugenics war of the 1990s. They would have to address that whole non-event, outside of the events surrounding Nero. In essence, a alternate time-line within an alternate time-line. Wow, its answers like that which make me realize what a geek/nerd I am.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Let the Feast of Fools Begin!!!!! A TB to Last the Weekend!

    by conspiracy

    All we need is Orci and Asi and my entertainment for the next 24-48 hours is ensured!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    He will kick Kirk's ass then again everyone did in jj trek

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    What a fucking travesty to make Kirk get his ass kicked by everyone whjen he used to be the greatest ass-kicker on TV. Ill bet even Worf could beat kirk in jj trek

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Green Girl, you got Kirk's Love Stink all over you!

    by zinc_chameleon

    Let him play a Klingon version of Iron Jack. He should get decapitated, but they resuscitate his head, and he gets to keep telling jokes.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    thank the gods for netflix instant

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    I've been catching up on alot of the old star treks. I agree with all of the existing material out there from tos I can't understand why they would go back to the space seed episode. Why not bring back captain piker? Balance of terror with the romulans?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Captains Log Stardate:...2135...

    by conspiracy

    We were just outside the orbit of of Risa, near the Neutral Zone, when the drugs began to take hold

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:12 p.m. CST

    It's why they're calling it fucking Star Trek 2.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Because its Khan. It was always going to be Khan. Its why they restarted the whole thing in the first place.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Damn i musta missed 'v'jer in the first jj trek if part two must be khan simply because its part 2

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes


  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Enter the Borg.

    by obi_juan

    Del Toro as the Borg King. Yes, the reboot ran out of gas this fast.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:18 p.m. CST

    They're calling it StarTrek 2

    by Mugato5150

    Because it's the second movie in the rebooted series.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Harry Mudd, people

    by eroomtam

    The hat, the 'stache, the women. Maybe they'll cross him with Cyrano Jones and he'll have tribbles.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I thought it wasn't gonna be called Star Trek 2? Make up your mind.

    by XxSoulFlyxX

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:20 p.m. CST

    CTM...Brutal...and probably close to the mark...

    by conspiracy

    I'd be hilarious to sit in while they are tossing ideas...and most likely salad.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Strong actors as the villain

    by UTexLex

    This is good news...brings gravitas to the series.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Sounds Like He'll Be Playing Khan, But He Was Horrible In Wolfman.

    by Media Messiah

    I have never seen him in a film where I liked him.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Beyond the darkness... beyond the human evolution... is Khan

    by Brian Hopper

    I know two people in the biz (one with connections at Paramount) and both tell me they BELIEVE the villain in Faux Trek 2 will be Khan. The Paramount guy bases this on information he saw about sets being constructed. Yes, the Untalented Clown Posse (Abrams Orci Kurtzman) are gonna f'up Khan just like the f'ed up everything else about Star Trek.

  • LOL you would need good writers for that. The villain in Faux Trek 2 will not be 'fleshed out' any more than any character in Faux Trek was 'fleshed out.' It will all be entirely superficial and ridiculous just like the first one.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    racist motherfuckers.

    by rakesh patel

    what they couldn't get an Indian to play khan noonien singh? c'mon JJ roll out those indian actors. shah rukh khan president elvis from 24 kumar from harold and kumar. raj from big bang theory abed from community that indian dude from whitney. uh that's all i got.

  • No more of that techno-babble, or I'll put the fucking leeches on you. Wow man, I've never ridden in a Federation Starship before! Is that right! Well then, I suppose your ready. Get in.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    We can't drop out of warp here, this is bat country.

    by Yamato

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    The Star Trek re-boot was great!

    by billF

    I am cool with this.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    First a a Puerto Rican

    by Bobo_Vision

    The third villain's gonna be a black dude. Guaranteed.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    In Faux Trek 2, I wonder if gaySpock will beam nuKirk

    by Brian Hopper

    down to an ice planet where he accidentally bumps into nuKhan. Because totally lame randomness is, of course, the hallmark of all good dramatic writing.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    They'll flesh out the villain in the comic book prequel

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    and let the regular movie audience wonder why he's doing what he's doing.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I love how people call it "Faux Trek"....

    by notcher

    As if that's a more clever insult than the "bad" writing they are ripping on in the first place.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by HughHoyland

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    or a Klingon?

    by HughHoyland

    Are the two that come to mind when I think Toro? Could be wrong of course.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    @notcher - It's pretty obvious that all the

    by Brian Hopper

    insulting names for Abram's Star Trek are more clever than the writing in that crappy film. Which isn't saying much, because there's nothing clever about the film so it's a low hurdle to clear. But look who I'm talking to. In a post above you said 'Nero was a great bad guy." Anyone who would say that about such an underwritten and one-dimensional role can't know much about cleverness or good writing.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    The villain should be played by ...

    by berserkrl

    Shatner! As evil Kirk from the mirror universe!

  • So we can put those to rest.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:51 p.m. CST

    A Jew, a gay, and a Puerto Rican go into a bar

    by Bobo_Vision

    And the bartender says, "Kirk and Spock...have you met Khan?"

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    No Harry Mud for fucks sake.

    by tradeskilz

    Even the name is ridiculous. No need for another Khan either.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    ''Hand me da fuckin' keys, ya cocksucka."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "In Klingon, please?" "S'cuse me?" "In Klingon." "Hand me da fuckin' keys, ya cocksucka, what da fuck?!"

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:57 p.m. CST

    you heard it here first, folks

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9 p.m. CST

    "Nu Kirk... You'r aliv. My old frend!

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    m6y Really Ought to Get a Life

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    The precious canon is gone. Too bad. Whining about trivialities won't bring it back. But some sort of life would be a wonderful thing to replace it.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Could Del Toro be playing Col. Robert Greene..he'd make a great villian for Kirk

    by Wilford_Brimleys_Diabetes_Rage

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by Arcadian Del Sol

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Whoops made an error there Colonel Phillip Green

    by Wilford_Brimleys_Diabetes_Rage

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    by Lenonn

    The comics and novels have covered the alternate reality verisons of V'Ger, Gary Mitchell, the Taurus II aliens, the Borg and Kor. So I'm assuming those ones won't be touched in the movie.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Remember when George

    by Jet Jaguar

  • That didn't turn out too well.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    The Borg are too big a villian to leave alone.

    by obi_juan

    1) Non-trek fans know them. 2) Kirk never had his chance to fight them. 3) And you can fit time travel into it. Face it guys, Del Toro is the Borg King.

  • I don't think I have ever seen anyone age like twenty five years in the span of only ten???

  • And I was not against a reboot of Star Trek in principle. What I have consistently objected to is that Star Trek has been turned into Shit Trek. It's an argument about quality. Some of us — unlike Abrams Orci and Kurtzman — actually care about Star Trek.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I vote for Klingon, and against Khan.

    by chifforobe

    I hope to see some nice TOS Klingon ships, costumes, etc. I guess subtle brow-ridges would be okay. But Jesus, no Khan. Why not bring a Klingon from TOS back if they want to go that route? Who knows.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    col.greene as a trek villain?

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Intriguing, but probably wont work as he was already long dead by the time captain kirk was even born.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Duck of Death speaks of reason

    by SuperSaiyan2112

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I agree with the guy who brought up people calling it "Faux Trek".

    by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform

    Talk about bad writing. Hard to take anyone seriously if that's the best they can come up with.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Kahn? I almost would love to see it, but

    by Anthony Torchia

    I hadn't thought it through, this new Enterprise can meet any characters from the TV show, since all such encounters are in the future now. Squire of Gothos works for me, maybe them vs Q and the Enterprise gets stuck in the middle

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    give me the fuckin keys you kirksucker

    by Holodigm

    THAT'S how you pun it up

  • And since Herve Villichez was a minor Bond villain, we have come almost-full circle.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    I don't recall a post saying that the 2nd film "will see the return of a classic villain from the series AND FROM A FILM." All I recall is a post saying that the 2nd film will see the return of a classic villain from the series, period.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by lochkray

    I'm not sure that failing to have memorized every interview of every producer of Star Trek indicates that people are uneducated. I can't think of any post-secondary educational institution that offers an undergraduate degree in Star Trek gossip.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:49 p.m. CST

    No, Del Toro is Playing Borg Queen

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Bold casting, I know, but the time has come for us to see past gender.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by t_allen

    All the racist, homophobic and anti-semitic remarks here it makes me wonder if some of you really understand what Star Trek was all about... Really looking forward to Star Trek 2. If it's a good story I don't care if Benicio Del Toro plays Khan, a Klingon, or a rainbow farting sentient light-bulb who cares?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    SULU would teach that course, lochkray

    by Tom

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST

    My problem with STAR TREK

    by Greggers

    Why is it that every Vulcan is supposed to be emotion-less, and yet every Vulcan in the STAR TREK universe -- with the exception of Leonard Nimoy's Spock -- is so *annoyed* by everything. Tuvok, T'Pol. NuSpock -- they're clearly annoyed by shit all the time, especially having to put up with the stupid humans. Being annoyed is an *emotion*. Is it too much to ask for Vulcans to get back on-model?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    These talkbacks for

    by Brian Hopper

    Shit Trek 2 are obviously going to be ruined by Bad Robot sockpuppets posting JJ-Abrams-is-awesome comments and indecipherable posts written by Bad Robot interns with no knowledge of Star Trek like the following: --- Kahn? I almost would love to see it, but by skippy-the-wondermule I hadn't thought it through, this new Enterprise can meet any characters from the TV show, since all such encounters are in the future now. Squire of Gothos works for me, maybe them vs Q and the Enterprise gets stuck in the middle --- *sigh*

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Can someone give me a quick rundown on this "Brian Cox" meme

    by Badger23

    What was the origin? I'm way behind the times here.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Del Toro is the MAN

    by rapscallion86

    that is all...

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    @deaft0ne - Abrams and his gang of untalented hacks

    by Brian Hopper

    are the ones running the franchise into the ground. Slamming Berman and Braga is pointless and is just a straw man argument. Let's say you're right and they were 'ruining' Star Trek. What does that have to do with Abrams' Shit Trek? Your formulation that a 'ruined' franchise was 'reinvigorated' by Abrams is not supported by anything. It's just a PR statement. The proof? You say 'Nemesis was repugnant Raccoon shit at the bottom of a Jersey City dumpster.' Really? Well, Abrams' Trek WAS Nemesis. How big an idiot is Abrams that his juvenile, incoherent crapfest is an accidental remake of Star Trek Nemesis. Abrams is the hack fuck who's ruined Star Trek.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Benicio Del Tor versus Lens Flares!

    by JRcanReid

    Will their duels become legend?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    How come Q never shows up in Trek movies?

    by JRcanReid

    It's time!

  • like Tom did on "Voyager." <p> It's gonna be BO magic.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by Badger23

    Thanks, deaft0ne.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:35 p.m. CST

    got it

    by Cruizer Dave

    The space cloud from obsession.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:41 p.m. CST

    It's not going to be called Star Trek 2

    by ATARI

    So please stop referring to it as such.<br> <br> <br> Use "the next JJ Trek" or similar. <br> <br> Thank you for your attention to this.<br>

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST

    They explore the vastness of fight humanoid bad guys.

    by Meinert Hansen

    C'mon, enough with the "evil villains" angle. Star Trek has such immense potential for rip-roaring , space adventures and all they can come up with are angry guys who want revenge.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Star Drek Deux: The Wrath of Khan Khan

    by abe

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:47 p.m. CST

    @deaft0ne - What does your vendetta against

    by Brian Hopper

    Berman have to do with Abrams' Shit Trek? I don't get the connection. The implication of your argument is, Berman was ruining Star Trek so Abrams' version is therefore better. It isn't better. It sucks. What direction did I want the franchise to take? Any direction that didn't take it through Transformers hack 'writers' Orci and Kurtzman's and self-proclaimed non-Star-Trek-fan Abrams' greasy untalented hands.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST

    And I stand corrected...

    by Brian Hopper

    even though Abrams' Shit Trek (seemingly inadvertantly) borrows numerous elements from Star Trek Nemesis, calling Shit Trek a remake of the fairly awful Star Trek Nemesis is an insult to Star Trek Nemesis.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Who defended Nemesis?

    by Brian Hopper

    Not me. But as many AICNers noted in numerous talkbacks, Abrams' crapfest shares many similarities with Nemesis. It's funny how your comment 'the general malaise and shittiness that floated over that movie' in reference to Nemesis is how I think of Abrams' Shit Trek.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Nemesis is worst Star Trek?

    by abe

    Really? You must either be less than 10 years old or already senile. "Insurrection" was the final "jump the neutral zone" film. The fist sign of the end was "Generations". Killing off Kirk is unforgiveable.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST

    m6y, you're right......

    by notcher

    Nero was SO underwritten, there was SO much more they could've done with him. Like why didn't they show us his wife in a flashback or show us how he had children who died on Romulus or how his best friend was killed as well. They didn't even give us a reason for why he was pissed. Maybe they should've shown his upbringing in the Romulan Mining academy? WTF else did they need to provide with Nero? You're a fucking idiot like half the people on this sight. You probably thought "Green Lantern" was awesome. Fuck off hater. If Star Trek was shitting writing, I really hope we get more shitty scripts like that. In fact, I ask you, what was a really good script? Name one in the same class of film other than an old Star Trek film that was better writing? Can't wait for this answer!!!

  • Word to your motha'!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    He'll have a Gorn slave named Slowfisssssst?

    by KongMonkey

    Abrams will make it so.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Should be called 'Jar Jar Strikes Again.'

    by Jeff England

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Del Toro would make....

    by Sci-FiJunky

    ....a great TOS-style Klingon. But if there are Klingons in the next movie, they had better not be those horrible Lord of the Rings Orc rip-offs we saw in the deleted scenes of Trek 2009!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST

    @deaft0ne - 'I advise other to decline engagement with him as well.'

    by Brian Hopper

    LOL! Who made you the engagement fairy? Ask a coherent question in one of your free-flowing, James Joyce-ian, stream-of-consciousness rants and maybe I'll answer it.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Abrams' STAR TREK is a remake of ...

    by berserkrl

    STAR TREK: OF GODS AND MEN. Villain goes back in time and kills one of Kirk's parents, thus creating an alternative timeline? Check. Vulcan gets destroyed by a giant planet-destroying device? Check. Uhura has a romance with a Vulcan? Check.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Re: The Reason You Hate New TREK ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    The STAR TREK reboot pisses off the "Star Trek" fans because it's essentially "STAR TREK For The 'Jersey Shore' Crowd" with all of the intelligence filtered out of it. Not a bad marketing move, since appealing to the moron crowd is how you make money. The non-"Trek"-fan moviegoing crowd hates it because, well, let's face it, it was a stupid fucking movie. Not that the other "Trek" movies were works of sublime genius, but like I just said, the new one was crafted so that the functionally-illiterate masses could watch it without getting confused/turned off by terms like "dilithium crystals" or "science". It's kind of pointless to get upset about it, because they simply aren't gonna go back to a "thinking man's 'Star Trek'". There's no money in it. Expect more of the same with Part Deux. Ain't nobody gambling in Hollywood, kids!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:15 a.m. CST

    So that was the reason for the Brian Cox meme?

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    You guys are fucking douchebags...Seriously?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Here's a previous post on they should do with Star Trek...

    by Brian Hopper

    Star Trek belongs on TV. How hard would by m6y it be to put a new show on... why not a post-TNG/DS9/Voyager series set in the 25th century with an Enterprise-F? Do it now while various cast members from previous iterations of Trek are around for guest spots on alt-timeline or time travel episodes. Get away from the SyFy ghetto and pitch it as a hardhitting one-hour drama/adventure to AMC, Showtime, HBO etc. Possibly do fewer episodes per season a la Mad Men and Sopranos. ~Ten episodes per 'season.' Then go bigger on budget and promotion... treat them like mini-movies. Keep it true to Trek (brains, adventure and heart) but amp up the darker aspects (done many times successfully in ST... the Borg, Yesterday's Enterprise, Enterprise season 3, etc) and get outside the box a bit. I think if they did this right, they could get bigger audiences than the meager audiences that brought down previous Trek series. As bad as Star Trek: In Name Only was, it (ironically) proved that you can get more people watching Star Trek. Star Trek back to TV, please!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:53 a.m. CST


    by Iahael

    Alright, just for the sake of argument, how about we agree to disagree vis-a-vis 2009 Star Trek vs. any of its linear ancestors, their mutual canonicity, etc? Who is Del Toro being cast as? New character? I'm thinking not. Khan: Probable, but extraordinarily predictable of them to choose; he may get knocked back in one sequel, if its Khan, and come back later as in Star Trek II. I somehow doubt Benicio is playing Khan Singh, but I could very easily be wrong. Gary Mitchell: Maybe, not as predictable (nor as well known outside of fandom, either) But possible. I'm thinking not likely. Kor: This would flippin' rock, and could leave him as a continuing character for the rest of the series, especially if they decide to pursue some kind of 23rd century Klingon/Federation Organian cold war scenario as an overall arc... Trelane: Weird, but possible. Del Toro as a proto-Q. Stonn: Spock's rival for T'Pring's affections on Vulcan in TOS, now possibly one of the survivors of the Vulcan's destruction, now perhaps pressuring Spock to help re-populate New Vulcan? Unlikely. T.'.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Del Toro Is The Perfect Bad Casting

    by Media Messiah

    He's a boring actor, with no real power behind acting. Det Toro is a major disappointment on screen. Now, Javier a truly great actor, who carries great dramatic weight on screen, brilliance, and menace.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Deaft0ne: You Are So Correct!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Star Trek has become awful--and those responsible for maintaining its quality controls are incompetent.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST

    media_messiah, I have to ask you something?

    by Bobo_Vision

    What's your opinion of what happened on 9/11? Who's responsible?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:11 a.m. CST


    by robertplant

    You know, but said like Shat said Kahn.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:36 a.m. CST

    what I would love to see happen

    by emeraldboy

    is zacahry quinto is temporarily abandoned on some planet like what happened to the young kirk in the first film. only quinto's spock bumps into Shatner. spock warns the older kirk that he cannot tell the young kirk about thier meeting. at some point in the movie, the two kirks meet on screen

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:33 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

    cant wait for this new shitfest NuTrek.

  • based on modern south american dictators like Castro,Chavez.And i am sure that he is not going to die in the end of the movie or at least it will seem that he died.We want to make a lot of blockbuster movies with Star Trek's most famous villain,right? I am almost disgusted with what JJ,Orci and Co and Paramount are doing with this beloved property.FUCK THEM.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST


    by KilliK

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Everything is always better with Del Toro.

    by AsimovLives

    This guy is a class act.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Reasons to admire Del Toro besides his acting powers:

    by AsimovLives

    He once was caught banging Scarlett Jonahssen in an elevator. The dude did what all hetero males on earth would dream to. Respect!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:09 a.m. CST

    There will be Kahn.

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Re: deaft0ne

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I disagree. STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN is an example of a "Star Trek" movie that's free of the techno-babble and over-thinking that plagued later movies and series and yet succeeded in being a great, entertaining and intelligent sci-fi film that appealed to everybody. Abrams's STAR TREK, on the other hand, plays to the idiots. It had mass appeal because it actually dumbed down "Star Trek" for the lowest common denominator, which, sadly, are the same yokes who wind up buying the most movie tickets. I'm not a "Star Trek" fan myself, I just like good movies, and I tend to lump the new STAR TREK flick in with crap like TRANSFORMERS or THE MARINE -- movies you might also be a fan of. If so, no insult meant. Just don't argue that there was some sort of grandiose intelligence, aside from the decision to turn "Star Trek" into a money-making "Monster Trucks In Space" (which was, admittedly, fucking brilliant), involved.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 2: Electric Boogaloo

    by rakesh patel

    I liked the reboot. trek had died on it's feet, the reboot brought back the franchise from the dead quicker then expected. No problem with Del Toro, he's a fine actor. I do wonder though why redo khan, there's a wealth of stories here, the whole point of the reboot was that it didn't have to be slave to established cannon. And really it's not as if they can get Spock or sacrifice someone else from the ship to save everyone. it's been done. and the emotional impact it had was because the history of the TV show. it wouldn't have the same impact with new actors playing the same characters. Whatever happens i have enough faith in to know i'll be watching and it will be a great movie.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:05 a.m. CST

    In the end it all boils down to this...

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    Old Trekkies are little bitches who want to cling to Picard's old wrinkled nutsack. The Franchise was DYING because pandering to your average fat Star Trek fan wasn't cutting the in comes common sense: Let's try to appeal to normal people...Ya Know? The type of person who doesn't spend all their days fapping it to Klingon porn in their parents basement. "Let's make some actual money here, so we can keep the franchise going. Fuck these fat fucks." That's basically what they said. And the majority of the masses saw it...and LIKED it. Some even LOVED. "I've never even seen one Star Trek movie and I liked it." The minute those words hit the net, that was the day Star Trek died for the minority, the general fat fuck, loser, geek, fat ass, pathetic average Trek fan...Star Trek was no longer something you obese fuckers had to call your own. It was time to call blame on the plot holes for all the hate. And you know what? Keep bitching, losers. The next Trek will make bank, and another Abrams Trek will be made. And your whining won't make the tiniest difference. Eat it, fat asses.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    So they will be using Khan as a villain... again!

    by AsimovLives

    Because Nero was nothing but a version of khan... a lame bad version, but a version nontheless. So Team Abrams are already repeating themselves. To be expected.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The problem withe NuTek is that if it's a branch universe which got it's starting point when Nero's ship first crossed the blackhole/wormhole/whatever to the past, it means the story about Khan has to still be pretty close to the events of TOS, meaning, canon. If the NuTrek universe is an indepentent universe from the TOS, then why the hell it evne makes sense that the fate of Khan has to be in any way similiar to the TOS events, and why would he still be flowing about in space on suspended animation on the Botany Bay? Don't forget, Khan is a 20th century man who finds himself in the 23th century in TOS thanks to his exile. The makers of NuTrek want to have their cake and eat it too. And i'm not buying it. I'm sure the end results for NuTrek 2 will be hillarious in their ridiculousness.

  • The Bay's Transformers made huges amount of cash, and that didn't help them be any good, did it? The movie's box office will only justify the beam counters, not movie geeks like you. And who's to say for sure that the movie will make bank? I can, or it can't. A movie's quality is no garantee of that. Great movie flop, terrible movies suceed, great movies suceed, terrible movies flop. There's no garantees, in fact. There's only hopes. If there is anything one has learned about today's audinces is that they are terribly fickle. And box office never was an indicator of a film's quality. Popularity, but not quality. That's one of the first lessons that a movie geek learns.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:42 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You do realise that Asimov_Lives is the other guy, right? He's not me. I'm me. See my handle above.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:47 a.m. CST

    by supersaiyan2112

    by AsimovLives

    "Everyone thought that the Joker was owned by Jack Nicholson, and look how that turned out." But The Dark Knight was writen by the Nolan brothers. NuTrek 2 is being writen by Orci and Kurtzman. Are you comparing them to the Nolan brothers, perchance? That would be foolish. The Nolan brothers actually have talent.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Why the fuck don't they show The last Trek on cable?

    by alienindisguise

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Re: supersaiyan2112

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I guess that was my roundabout point: "Star Trek" was making money for a while, but it was never gonna make blockbusters. The studio did what it had to do. In my opinion, though, making it "Operation: Repo"-stupid is just as bad as making it unenjoyable to anyone who doesn't own a tricorder or has access to the Klingon dictionary. The only reason "Trek" has lasted this long has been due to its loyal fanbase who actually like all that geeky shit, and most of the people who flocked to see the new one are gonna hold on until the next new shiny thing gets dangled in front of them. Still, I guess it's better to collect big now than to collect small over a period of time.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:06 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm glad you have a job at Bad Robot. Keeping a job in this economy is imperative.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Rick Berman and JJ Abrams: Two wrongs do not make a right.

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:32 a.m. CST

    People raised hell when Mr. Roarke was cast as Khan

    by proevad

    Even though he had been pretty damned effective in a pretty generic episode. I remember the fanzine bitching and moaning. Of course, every one of them was completely wrong and Ricardo was beyond brilliant. Del Toro was fantastic in Traffic--a performance of nuance. This could work--whether it's Khan or not.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    by deaft0ne:

    by AsimovLives

    "I already asked the question and it was where did you want to see the Star Trek franchise go after Berman was rightfully shitcanned? You answered with: Anywhere besides JJ and his shittrekking the franchise and shitty lol. This does not qualify as an answer" Actually, it does. It means that M6y would had beene satisfied with many possibilities and many alternatives that could had been created for a ST recom. The answer is actually quite specific, in that everything would be cool except the way that Abrams and team took it. In how different words would that answer be acceptable to you? Or the problem is that you can't take as an answer anything that doesn't coincide with what you like about Abrams Trek? Think about it. And i'm sorry, but so many of your arguments pro-NuTrek came as simple copy and paste jobs directly taken word for word from the Bad Robots advertizement department.

  • And NuTrekkies are little bitches who want to cling to JJ Abram's old wrinkled nutsack. See? This shit cut both ways. I'm not a trekkie, but i couldn't help feel insulted by that mean-spirited coment. It's stuff like that that gives the Abrams Trek fans a bad name and makes you look like the members of the dumb crowd.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    mr_x_; Why Khan?

    by conspiracy

    Because the movie business is about making money, and the general public loves and will more likely pay for something they already have a passing familiarity with. It is why sequels are made in the first place...milk a known property for a few more coins with a minimal amount of risk. No it isn't new and fresh; no it isn't pushing the"art"...but mass market cinema isn't about is about the bottom line; any "art" or freshness that happens is purely accidental. Besides...I can see the writers pushing for it...again, minimal effort for maximum profit. Someone else did the heavy lifting of character development, the public already knows the character so you don't have to establish him....all you gotta do is plop him down in a slightly different situation, listen for the cheer of the easily entertained mob, and cash your 7 figure check.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    deaft0ne - Wait, you proposed in a post above

    by Brian Hopper

    that they should have turned DS9 into a film. 'I will admit that before Berman was canned and JJ was hired that at least 1 DS9 film might have been interesting to see.' WTF? Who'd pay to see that? I'm a Star Trek fan and I wouldn't even go see that. So an idea (and an inevitable one, I might add) to bring Star Trek back where it belongs, to TV, is 'completely idiotic', but your absurd idea to bring DS9 to movie theaters isn't?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Hey asimov. Notcher thinks Nero is a solid villain.

    by UltraTron

    I'll let you handle him

  • going to sic you guys on each other. I'll use creepythin for the extreme cases where subtley is not called for

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    The iPad makes me sound illiterate all the time

    by UltraTron

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Look, I have been consistent

    by Brian Hopper

    in previous ST talkbacks: I didn't object to a ST reboot in principle. For example, J. Michael Straczynski proposed a TV reboot with some similarities to what Abrams ended up doing (same characters, different cast). If executed properly, it might have worked. Who knows? My objection to Shit Trek is a quality objection. It sucks. And I propose the reason it sucks is who's making it: a hack director who's an admitted non-Star Trek fan and two unbelievably bad 'writers' with arguably the most undistinguished body of work in modern movies. It makes no difference to me that Shit Trek had some good fx, was relatively lively, or had a cool set piece or two like the BASE jump from space. Whatever. An intellectual malaise and and air of shittiness hovers over the whole thing. Star Trek needs a showrunner who CARES about it... not three overpaid hacks with their hands in eight other pies. I'll say it again: Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman DO NOT CARE about Star Trek. The only one of the three who pretends to is Orci, and he does it for the PR benefit. These guys have a bunch of other projects and simply could give two shits about the Star Trek universe.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Del Toro as Professor Lensius Flarez

    by vulturess

    dont have to tell you what he does in the movie.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST

    =Some even LOVED. =

    by KilliK

    Hitler was loved too.Doesnt mean he was good.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Nemesis is NOT the worst Trek movie

    by Mugato5150

    It's horrible but it's not worse than Generations. That movie made absolutely no sense and had plot holes you could drive the Excelsior through. And Insurrection, WTF? That had the whole "protagonists are the bad guys but they just don't get it" thing going on that Jurassic Park 2 had.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST

    The lense flairs are because everything on the ship

    by UltraTron

    is being filmed just like in Startrek 3. There's little Truman Show cameras all over the ship and the computer automaticly edits the footage for dramatic effect if you run it back to examine a Vulcan mind-meld for example. In addition the ship's sensors record everything around the ship in real-time, creating a virtual record of everything that happens. The lense flairs are because the ships sensors approximate the look of film and when they were originally installed they were thought to be a quaint reminder of cinematic techniques of the past- so the sensor designer put the lense flairs in there knowing most crew members would never review most footage from the journey anyway.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Everyone got that?

    by UltraTron

  • and in the scene where Indy is in the room of souls and is holding the stick with the medallion,when the red laser comes out there is a big lens flare effect. Now here is why Spielberg is the genius artist and JJ is the piece of shit hack artist: The former created the effect using real light and camera work,the latter created the whole light show using cgi. Moreover Spielberg used the lens flare effect in only that scene because he wanted to enhance the whole visual sequence: sun light is hitting an ancient medallion and is creating a laser beam to unlock a 3000yo mystery.magnificent,magic,stuff. JJ would use the lens flare effect simply because it looks cool.and because he thinks it looks cool,he would also use it in a dozen other scenes like when Indy and the other arabs are digging the site while the sun's dusk in on the background or during the truck fight in day light and ofc when the arc gets opened and destroys would have a lot of lens flare effects there although the ark is opened in the night. JJ.the new Spielberg.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    m6y: word!

    by UltraTron

    That's the truest thing I've read today

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST

    If they have to do Khan

    by Mugato5150

    Actually, wouldn't Kal Penn be a better choice? He's actually Indian. Since Margaret Cho or whoever is already part of the cast, it'd be Harold and space! Shit, it has to be better than the last three or four movies.

  • That dude sure knows how to make good Star Trek. It still pains me that the ST movie reboot was not given to him. He would had been perfect.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    by dioxholsters_ghost

    by AsimovLives

    "Abrams vision for Trek is revolutionary" The revolution being that they turned Star Trek into a dumb Michael Bay movie. That's what passes as revolutionay this days, isn't it? Oh brother, what times!

  • No need. That shit just speaks for itself. Nothing i could say could make it look any worst.

  • Good actors in shit movies still make for shit movies. Ther's more to a movie then a good cast. It helps, but can't prevent shit from being shit. A good story and filmmaking honesty is still paramount above all else.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Hey Asi...hows it going dude?

    by southafricanguy

    Hmm...i love this choice. I happen to think Benecio is a pretty good actor. But then so too is Eric Bana...and that did nt help how underwritten Nero was Pity as conceptually Nero could have been a great Trek villain if he were used as something more than a plot device...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I really wonder now if he will be playing

    by southafricanguy

    Khan?? I have no problem with Khan being used again. Great villains should always be used sparingly, and I think that no-one could say Khan has been overused. Just one movie (one of the best trek films, and the real star trek 2) and one tv episode (also one of the best episodes) Imho its high time for another go at Khan....but i do wish it wasnt in a story written by the brain trust of orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof (the person that most scares the shit out of me regarding Scott's Promethues)..... I dont mind JJ as a director, hes ok. I think if he ever gets a really great script to direct he might make a good film...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST

    what have you been up to Asi?

    by southafricanguy

  • None of this Khan stuff. This is a rebooted movie series, so I want something new. Yeah, they had Leonard Nimoy's Spock and the romulans in the last one... but that was necessary, as a bit of familiarity is necessary in a transition. But this sequel is where it must become it's own beast - and if they farm out Khan, Klingons, or any other classic Trek villian it will be a naval gazing step back. These means Nimoy must go too. From now on, Zachary Quinto should play both incarnations of Spock in a dual role. (wear old man make up for Spock Prime). Even if Nimoy wasn't retiring - I'd still think this was a necessary step. Boldly go, and all that.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Asi, 100% agree re Ronald Moore

    by Brian Hopper

    That's who the Star Trek franchise should have been handed over to (although not sure if he'd have wanted it?) Of anyone involved with Star Trek since 1966, he has perhaps the most distinguished record of consistently delivering high-quality stuff. The list of TNG episodes alone is somewhat startling in its quality: Redemption parts 1 and 2 (just top-notch dramatic writing), The Pegasus, The Defector (Picard: Do you seriously expect me to accept those terms? Tomalak: No, Captain Picard, I expect you won't!), Sins of the Father (as good as Star Trek gets), and on and on. And of course Yesterday's Enterprise (certainly one of the best hours of television ever produced) and All Good Things... which is easily the best series finale of television show in history.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I have recently just gone through a movie binge

    by southafricanguy

    I watched green lantern (as big a piece of shit as they said) actually had the potential to be really pulp sci fi cool, but shit was Martin campbell the wrong choice for director Thor: I really enjoyed the first half or so, really felt like watching Jack kirby's classic marvel stuff brought to life, but the second half kinda sucked. Is it me or can you just see that Marvel studios is kinda lowballing the budgets on their films? It seems all the earth stuff really was to save a lot of money.... Captain America: Waay better than I thought it would ever be. The best Marvel film since the first Iron Man imho. So fun, well made, well acted, and well written. I really had a blast with it. Almost as good as the Rocketeer....

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by UltraTron

    “ Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. ”

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST

    by southafricanguy

    Splice: pretty cool horror film. I found it fairly creepy. I really liked it. didnt think I would after it seemed to get a lot of hate around here. but found it very cronenbergian.....a good thing imho

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Says it all right there bitch. Where's that fuckin movie?

    by UltraTron

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Instead we got:

    by UltraTron

    The same life you've seen before. The same planets you've seen before. The same civilizations you've dealt with before. Midget in a rubber suit- zing!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Dentures does the narration AGAIN!

    by UltraTron

    Just jacking off

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Yeah splice had some nasty shit.

    by UltraTron

    Digital gore that was perfect and vomit inducing

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Hey friend, how are you? How's everything in sunny South Korea? Any new good korean movies you recomend? Nero is character that Team Abrams could had goneto town with if they had cared to make him something more then just a charicature of Khan. As such, even the vilain in ST: Nemesis showd more character development and depth, and that's harldy a movie to be used as examplary filmmaking, if you get my meaning. It's jsut frustrating, because there is so much that couldhad been done with Nero. Alas! Thisis a constant in anything to do woth an Abrams movie. Same thing happend with Super 8. This guy only focus onthe marketing aspect of filmmaking, to the complete deteriment of anything else. This is why i call Abrams a executive suit who lucked out into a directing chair. Writing and directing is not his forté. Presentation and marketing, yes, not filmmaking.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I want more Startrek fucker. Father. Whatever.

    by UltraTron

    My vision of Startrek would be the extension of it's most profound ideas. The idea that we are evolving into pure energy god-like beings. This was the theme perhaps most visited in the original series. I bet these guys didn't even watch every episode like Wise did. My idea is basicly a follow-up to what those episodes pointed at. We humans are young. We have much to learn and infinite potential. Someday we could be gods. I will happily direct the next Startrek film for all mankind. Just give me the whole shebang. I know exactly what to do.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm more charitable about Thorn then you are. I completly agree about Captain America, it was a pleasant suprise. I haven't seen Green Lantern, have no intention to. I don't want to spoil my good will toward Martin Campbell (thanks to GOLDENEYE, ZORRO and CASINO ROYALE) with a movie that by all indications sucks.

  • Now that it's open that Spock is a tinkerbell all's fair.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    SPLICE is a movie with balls.

    by AsimovLives

    Thare's stuff in that movie that most directors wouldn't had the guts to put in it. For that alone i like the movie. It helps that the movie is far more to it then just Adrien Broody fucks a freak.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    chickenstu ...amen brother

    by southafricanguy

    but is it really possible? There has been sooo much trek that I wonder can anything truly new be done with it that wont see the fans totally revolt lol I would be all for a total re-invention that was able to keep with the spirit of trek, or the introduction of things never done before...but honestly they have tried that before.....sometimes with really bad results imho

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    They were good mad scientists. Deserving of their fates.

    by UltraTron

    The movie was almost super fucking great

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Oh cool. So does that mean...

    by Kelly Grimes

    This one will have a villain?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Dioxholster....fuck off and go watch your cheap

    by southafricanguy

    crappy oh so precious stargate while you jerk off to your giant poster of Richard Dean Anderson while you finger bang your mom you inbred fucktard.....

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Asi.....absolutely dude, Splice was indeed ballsy

    by southafricanguy

    i really liked it personally

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Well...Asi, im not saying I did nt like Thor

    by southafricanguy

    I would say I was more dissapointed. But again, the first half was actually pretty cool. Really felt like Kirby brought to life imho.....I just felt that the whole earth part was done tom keep the film cheap and was nt that interesting. But its an entertaining film, and most of the actors are pretty good in it. But for me Captain America was generally better. Better directed, and better script imho...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Asi...i ve just been super busy brother

    by southafricanguy

    lots to do in Korea. Everything moves fast here. Its good here though, im not going to leave anytime soon What about you, hows things in Portugeul?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I have nt seen many movies lately be real

    by southafricanguy

    ly honest Asi I just been so busy lately at work and in my personal life that I have not really been watching movies. And im sure you have noticed that I have not been around here much (which im sure makes Dioxholster happy), but now im back (which makes me happy because it will piss of that closet homosexual)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    kgrimes ....good point dude. Nero was barely

    by southafricanguy

    used, it did almost feel like there was no villain. He really was just a plot device

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:36 a.m. CST are mostly right about JJ imho

    by southafricanguy

    he is more of a producer really than a director. i dont mind him, but I do hate the comparisons to Spielberg. He is NOT the next Spielberg

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Btw was Super 8? I have nt seen it yet

    by southafricanguy

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Spock looves tha cock.

    by UltraTron

    Jay and silent bob 2 would be fine.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    ultratron...Kirk better watch his back.....

    by southafricanguy

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Meh I say to you! MEH loud and hard.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    I don't know why I'm bothering other then Bob Orci likes to come in here and mix it up with the blabber-casters. That's fun. <P> I hated Nu-Trek so why should I care? Then again I hated Batman Forever even though there were better films preceding it, which was written in part by Orci's hero Akiva Goldsman. I could ignore it but something about it being out there, breathing the same air as me..well that just didn't sit right with me. Not to mention people fucking loved that movie! Well that is until the franchise went full Goldsman with Batman and Robin and then Chris Nolan finally came along to show everyone how it's done. <P> Oci and Kurtzman's Trek might not impact the other universe, but you'll never see another movie set there until it's time to reboot it again. In the mean time you'll get the same tired formula of Alien Villain of the month tries to destroy the universe and...only..Kirk...and the..... zzzZZZzzzzzZZzzzzz. <P> Benicio Del Toro is the baddy you say? So what! There's no way under Orci and Kurtzman's pen his character will be interesting in the least. If he isn't Khan then he'll be another wanna-be like Nero tacked on to a tired, thoughtless plot that pays more homage to Trek'of'old's weaker moments and not to what it aspired to be. It will not be on the shelf with wrath of Khan, and it certainly won't be with Undiscovered country. However, there's a bargain-bin in hell filled with dusty copies of Transformers 2 and Batman and Robin just waiting for Nu-Trek 2: The Wrath of [insert name here]

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Kidding, of course.

    by CodeName

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    @mr nicholas

    by BYOBkenobi

    Nero was fleshed out in the Star Trek-Countdown Comic Book that was intended as a precursor to the movie. it was pretty decent. Check it.

  • A disastrous first contact w the klingons would b ok. Still hoping for a discovery /exploration plot tho

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    media messiah: Javier Bardem vs Del Toro.

    by Dr_PepperSpray


  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    byobkenobi @ Nero's comic.

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    NOPE. If you can't worth that into the plot of your film, then that's just bad writing and as well as a cheap money-making gimmick. <P> Fuck that.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:07 p.m. CST

    by Lenonn

    greggers: Vulcans are not emotionless; they just repress their emotions and do not allow themselves to be controlled by it. And Spock, being half-human, tries to keep his Vulcan half in control and so that constant drive to be an "ideal" Vulcan means he takes things to a level that even full Vulcans cannot and do not reach. The same can be said for Worf.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    The Fat Losers Already Have...

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    hundreds upon hundreds of hours of Star Trek made for them. It's time that decent human beings, the kind with a little self control at the dinner table, had some Star Trek made for them. Go J.J.!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    The Klingons have already made first contact

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    The TV series "Enterprise" is still in continuity with the current series of movies. It takes place before Nero's journey to the past. Of course, knowing Abrams, he'll wank this up before he's done with it.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:45 p.m. CST

    lesbianna_winterlude HEY!!! i am Not fat.....

    by southafricanguy

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I'm not fat either!

    by Dr_PepperSpray

    I'm quite skinny in fact. I also function well at dinner tables, have been in a committed relationship for many years (With a girl damn you) and also have a reasonably well paying job. I do not live in a basement or with my parents though the rent is too damn High I'm not really complaining. <P> I just prefer something like Driver over The Fast and the Furious. <P> So you can keep your Nu-Trek and JJ Abrams :)

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    I forgot about enterprise. Dont really care if they ignore it

    by dahveed1972

    Anyway even if its not a first contact id b okay with kirk and co being there for the first major hostilities. I guess they could borrow elements from a tos episode. Again id rather see something completely new but maybe that's unrealistic.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    by picardsucks

    For Christ’s sake they better not be doing Space Seed Maybe for the third picture but it feels like they are aiming for that with this next film. I also get the sense that they might just be going back to the second incarnation of the original Star Trek II script which had many of the elements we saw in Khan but had a whole additional story that had Khan escaping Ceti Alpha to set himself up as some sort of intergalactic religous fanatic demi-god figure with an armada of followers and ships at his side. They of course dropped all that in the interests of time and budget but the original Space Seed was only 45 minutes long. What if they incorporate that story with that of Khan setting himself up as some sort of larger than life fanatical figure with Rebel Starfleet ships and armies at his side for either a huge showdown at the end of the first film or a conclusion in the second with his Ultimate banishment to Ceti Alpha Orci and Kurtzman are just creative enough to rip off an unused arc from the original Trek II script, mate it with Space Seed and then make it yelly and explosiony You heard it here first

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Lononn, thanks for the answer re: Vulcans, but...

    by Greggers

    The Vulcan relationship with emotion has alsways been a bit sloppy. I think if you watch the early first season episodes, they just flat out say that Vulcans -- including Spock -- have no emotion. It was a matter of biology. (And this could actually make sense from a physiological standpoint: Certain areas of the Vulcan brain may be less developed than others. Vulcans could have been a race of sociopaths.) Over time, Spock's human aspect was increasingly played up to add tension to the character: Spock had to struggle with keeping a lid on the emotions of his human side, a struggle most Vulcans would not have to deal with. And then they added that Vulcans would pop a gear during mating season. Then they added that Vulcans were decended from violent savages (and the emotions were bred out through natural selection). Then they elaborated on this to indicate that it was more of a cultural shift. And now, after 5 series and a bunch of movies, it seems like all Vulcans are powderkegs of emotion just trying to keep a lid on things. Be that as it may, if they're all still powderkegs just trying to keep a lid on things, and they're whole civilization is built around keeping a lid on things, wouldn't they still be better at at least *appearing* non-emotional and passive? I'm afraid that the creators and actors behind STAR TREK are actually afraid of having Vulcan act truly emotionless because they're afraid it might be dramatically inert. The conflict between a half-cocked human and a haughty, snotty Vulcan and is just easier to portray than the conflict between the same human and a truly impersonal and emotionless character. In other words, the writers and actors don't have the courage of their conceptual convictions.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    The whole "basement dwelling fat sci-fi nerd" thing

    by Mugato5150

    Really doesn't apply anymore. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist but it's a really outdated cliche and makes anyone who perpetuates it sound like they're projecting.

  • And though I hope we never ever see old spock again, if they insist on the narration im ok w nimoy doing it.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    @greggers well said

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I like Star Trek

    by Andrew Coleman

    People calling it "Shit Trek" and calling Abrams a hack I find pretty pathetic. I think the problem for them is that Star Trek was made for everyone. The movie was well reviewed and people liked it... This pissed them off. How dare they do this! No one has really put up a valid reason why they hate it. Just claim it was made for the "Jersey Shore" crowd but it obviously wasn't. Also Star Trek will never be on TV again because networks still work by old models of television that no longer work with DVR, Hulu, etc. In no world right now would someone fork over the cash to make Star Trek episodes and get a 2.0 or worse in ratings.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by Chadley BeBay

    is the most ever-fucking-rated character in history... He is not that great. at all. watch it again.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by Chadley BeBay

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:39 p.m. CST

    In the sequel, the young Spock should fuck the old Spock in the ass

    by Bobo_Vision

    And that creates a wormhole. And Mr. Sulu comes out of that wormhole, shirtless and ready for a swordfight.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Wrath of

    by ObiBen


  • Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Modonna should play the Whoreta

    by Kentucky Colonel

    She could borrow the outfit drom Lady Gaga. Maybe they are going to remake "Wolf in the Fold" with the wolfman? I'd love to see them redo "The Way to Eden", sadly we just lost Charles Napier a few weeks ago. Messing with Khan would be tricky, but I'll bet BDT could pull it off...that is...if the writers could. Hopefully we'll get a new compelling villian. I thought Nero was the best non-Khan antagonist yet. He'd have been even better if the Klingon prison sequence hadn't been cut. Shit, it wasn't even alluded to. "WTF happend to your ear, Nero?" "Well, Christopher, it just kind of melted as I sat in front of this black hole for 25 years". Eh? Starfleet-on-Starfleet action would be cool. Roddenberry would shit, but he's dead so I say go for it! It'd be great if that other Del Toro would design BDT's starship. A fucking stempunk warp core? Hell yeah! The Reliant was always my favorite non-Constitution class wessel. Love to see that updated/retro-dated. One request....more redheads in Starfleet, please! In almost 45 years we've And maybe incorporate Sally Kellerman's camel toe from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" somehow, please!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by Bobo_Vision

    That's funny, I was going to say the same thing to you.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Am I allowed to hate JJ Trek AND Berman/Braga Trek?

    by Chief Joseph

    Because I do. Both of them suck. Both of them are retarded rehashes. What's "best for the franchise" would be a moratorium on new Trek shows/movies for 10 or 15 years. Make people feel really crave new Trek with the wait. They've been guilty of Supply>Demand ever since they started having multiple Trek shows running at the same time. Probably not-coincidentally, that was shortly after Gene died. No, not all his ideas were gold (the Deltans), but he was a QC switch that was sorely needed.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    How'a things in Portugal? Well, this economy is fucking it all up really good. so, not that great. Still, the food is still great, the wines are still great, and the women are still hot.

  • And actually im transgender but I like girls. Does that make me a lesbian. Seriously tho u really need to get yourself some professional help. The sooner u come to terms with things the better.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    dahveed just admitted to being transgendered

    by Bobo_Vision

    What the fuck? You're transgendered and you're accusing people on the internet of being gay? Project much, dahveed? <p> Explain the whole transgendered thing to me, is this where you crossdress, or is it that you're a woman trapped in a man's body? Did you have your genitals removed, snip snip? What's the deal, dahveed?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    southafricanguy, as for SUPER 8...

    by AsimovLives

    ... it was a disapointment. To say that movie is a return of 80s Spielberg is pure absurdity. Spielberg in his 70s and 80s heydays never made a movie that contrived or unballanced. Mostly the general opinion aobut the movie is right. It's a movie of two halves. The good half and a bad half. The good half is the stuff with the kids. Good cast in regard to the kids, and mostly they deliver a naturalistic and convincing performance, despite the clunky dialogue and banal narrative. And of the kids, Elle Fanning is just suberb. She steals the show. She is the best thing in the movie, by far. The bad is everything to do with the alien and the adults, or to put is simple, anything that is not the kids. And the train crash. It might look like an exciting actipon sequence, but if one think a little about it, not only it's stupid and impossible evne in the realm of fantasy,but it's absolutly completly unnecessary to have it the way it's in the movie. It's needlessly overspending of budget for soemthignthat actually serves no real plot porpose that a cheapper sceen wouldn't had achived as well and look more plausible as well. Basically, if the movie has just been a coming of age story about a bunch of kids in rurtal america and their bonding over the making of a short film, while they find first love and overcome personal tragedy, it would had been a magical and great movie to watch. but JJ Abrams,in his "wisdom" decided to shove it in a stupud cheesy bad cliche ridden SF bullshit that doesn't belong to the kids' stuff at all. ET Mark II my ass! The movie has a good half and a bad half. And the sum of it's parts makes for a banal, disinspired, and useless movie. It's a frustration movie. And again proves that JJ Abrams has to be the most misguided filmmaker working in Holywood this days. Not just misguided but insecure. He can't control or understand the oportunities given and found in the premise of his own creations. He truly is a executive suit with a film crew. You know when we see those parodies of dumb studio executives that try to shove to a movie this weird senseless ideas to a movie that leaves the filmmakers baffled and speechless? That's JJ Abrams, only he's the writer/director doing that nonsense. I was not amused. I don't hate it, but i sure don't like it. And it frustrates me to see the squandered oportunities. It's still a far better movie then Abrams Trek, but that's damning it with faint praise.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Brillant post. So on the money.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    by the way, southafricanguy, welcome back

    by AsimovLives

    this joint needs mroe people like you. it can be a madhouse sometimes.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Too bad that Nero wasn't fleshed out where he should hadbeen... in the fucking movie.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Berman/Braga hate

    by Mugato5150

    Hate to burst your bubble but Star Trek pretty much sucked from the third season of the original to the point where Berman took over TNG. I'm not saying that Voyager and the movies were great, they weren't. But the thirsd season of the original series was goofy and the first season of TNG was fucking terminal. And Enterprise doesn't suck nearly as much as people claim. So Berman may have worn out his welcome but if it weren't for him or someone else taking over, Trek would have been dead by 1989.

  • He's guilty of what a lot of people claim Lucas is, and idea man who needed someone else to call the shots.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    If i recall TOS correctly, the Federation had contacted the Klingons for quite some time byt the time of the show's timeline. In fact, the klingons were already a very well know adversaries of the Federation, and a race there had been a war with before. The romulas had also been a race known to the federation, as there had been a war with them as well. The difference was that at the point, nobody had yet set eyes on a romulan before, not even during the war. The first time anybody in the fedration has set eyes on a romulan was during the events depicted in the classic TOS episode BALLANCE OF TERROR. When we learn that not only the romiulans look like vulcans, but they are an off-spring race made of a dissident group that rejected the philosophy of logic that wa taking hold in vulcan. Basically, Romulans are what the vulcans used to be before the influence of the teaching of Surak tok hold in vulcan society. That race similiaritude between vulans and romulas also play an important part in a sub-plot in the episode about the prejudices a crew member shows toward Spock. That's i know from memory, anyway.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:44 p.m. CST

    asimov....dahveed just came out and admitted he's transgendered

    by Bobo_Vision

    What do we do in this sort of situation? Should we have some type of support group for him?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Oh, you will gain new recruits to your side with that attitude and rethoric, oh yeah! Keep it up. Nothing i could say against NuTrek could hurt it more then what you say in it's defense. Good job! Thank you.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST

    No, you're right, asimovlives

    by Mugato5150

    The only reason Vulcans exist is because they wanted to beat people over the head with the racial prejudice episode. I'm still not sure why the Vulcans didn't already know the Romulans were related to them or if they knew, why they didn't say anything. but like I said, they were just introduced for the morality tale thing.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    THe oriignal Star Trek was made for everybody. That a minority felel in love with it is accidental. The isdea behind Star Trek, as is about all movies and Tv shows, is to find a universal audiences. The creeators of the original Star Trek tried to reach audiences with ambitious and intelligent SF that was also a good adventure ripping yarns. The makers of NuTrek tried to reach audiences by making a movie as dumb as the usual Michael Bay movie. That's why i show respect and like the original Star Trek, and rip a new asshole on NuTrek every chance i get. It's the only fun i can get out of NuTRek, from the well deserved mockery I and others throw at it.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    If i remember correcty, the vulcans suspected the true nature of the romulans, but they only had them verified during the events of Ballance Of Terror. Spock himself admits that it was shame that prevented the vulcans from having been more open top the rest of the federation about their suspicion about the rumulans. It'sm one of the few moments in the TOS show were we see Spock being quite embaraced.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    =I thought Nero was the best non-Khan antagonist yet.=

    by KilliK

    Nope.the best non-Khan villain remains the Borg Queen. And i would like to see a porn movie with the Queen fucking Data.

  • without any doubt that you can make good,entertaining and very commercially successful movies without having to use a bad guy in the story.Yeah i know it still used the tiresome plot idea that the enterprise is saving Earth for the millionth time but here is the whole point: NOBODY FUCKING DIES IN THAT MOVIE. and it turned out to be the biggest hit of the series.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by KilliK

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    mugato5150, also...

    by AsimovLives

    ... it might just be a coincidence, but i donpt think it is, but you know that Gene Roddenberry was a WWII veteran. One of tre most notorious episodes in american society in WWII was the secregation of the ninsei, the japanese-americans, under the fear they all could just be enemies behind the lines. so they were interned. Many ninsei decided to prove their american patriotism by enlisting in the army. They were put into a battalion and saw action in Europe. And they were the most condecorated battalion in the whole USA army, with an average of two medals or citations per man. They were hardcore. No other battalion i the whole history of the USA won more purple hearts and medals of congress. Something tells me that those events or others similiar might had been in Roddenberry's mind when he used the romulans as off-spring vulcans in that episode. The episdoe is an aesop about prejudices in time of war regarding people of "other" races then the majority of the population. And then there's the fact that in Ballance Of Terro, the villain turns out to be a person of great honour and personal integrity, a good man. Or should i say, an exceptionally enlighted romulan. Another aesop in the episode is that war forces good men to fight each other, that war wasted good men for obtuse and stupid reasons. Good men are found everywhere.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Benicio Del Toro IS Harvey Mudd. FACT!

    by Royston Lodge

    Uh, maybe not...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    asimov, I'm not American

    by Bobo_Vision

    By the way, asimov....what is a transgendered? Does that mean dahveed has both a penis and a vagina? Or does it mean he had his wiener removed by a doctor who then dug out a little cubby hole for other dudes to stick their wiener in? How does it work? <p> I'm scared, asimov. What do we do? Should we call somebody?

  • And just ignore bobo. He's probably just some ignorant 14 year old kid. Scary to think he might be an adult. But remember the us is one of the most diverse countries in the worl with millions of open minded people.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I say Nero > The Borg Queen

    by Royston Lodge

    I was annoyed that they changed the Borg metaphor from a distributed computer network to an insect hive.

  • Remember those guys who had vaginas on their foreheads. No wonder dahveed takes Star Trek so seriously. It was the first tv program to embrace his kind.

  • It went right over his head so it was a pointless exercise. Anyway sorry if offended anyone.

  • Both evil and sexy in a creepy/fetish way.She is like the female version of Tetsuo the Iron Man but a lot nicer curves.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    asimov, if we learned one thing from movies....

    by Bobo_Vision's that transgendered dudes like dahveed are usually serial killers. Remember Silence of the Lambs and Dressed to Kill, asimov? Believe it. See how labile his mood is...such anger in him. He lashes out. Asimov, we should start of club. We can weed out all the tranny serial killers. We can be called the Tranny Slayers.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST

    @killik meh

    by Royston Lodge

    Argue with THAT! Check ... and ... mate.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I think it means he changed sex.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "But remember the us is one of the most diverse countries in the worl with millions of open minded people." The same can be said about the whole of western europe.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Who can say if this is good or bad?

    by MaxHeadroom

    Who can say if this is good or bad without knowing what sort of character he'll be tackling?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Oh you know TETSUO THE IRON MAN? Your coolness factor jumped up a point.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I've got to give props to


    asimovlives.<p> Good luck, we're all counting on you.

  • And was/is Alice Krieg one sexy kitty or what?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Ohhh ok, thanks, asimov

    by Bobo_Vision

    This is getting uncomfortable for me, asi, so I'm gonna get going. Keep him talking, asimov....draw dahveed out into the light. At least if he's here talking on talkbacks...he can't be out there kidnapping people to put in his underground dungeon.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Better he's a brand new villain.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Khan's been done. Although if they did do it, it would be more a remake of Khan's first TV appearance than of his movie, which I suppose could be interesting.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    George Lucas Should Have A Sequel W/Cloned Maul and Vader

    by BojTrek

    George Lucas should allow someone to make new sequels with Luke, Han and Leia before they die in real-life. All of the sudden... a planet is destroyed... it is Dagobah... where Luke has been training new Jedi. Destroyed in a similar fashion to Leia's world... Is it another Death Star or something worse... Suddenly, Jedi around the galaxy are attacked and killed by cloaked assassins... Luke investigates with the help of Han and Leia... They are attacked by a de-commisioned Star Destroyer... they are hailed... It is Vader and Maul standing next to each other the screen. CLONES!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Stargate is a military-industrial complex version of Star Trek


  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by Mugato5150

    I assume you saw Ghost Story? She was all kinds of naked in that. And for those complaining about there being a Borg queen, you need a personified villain in a movie like that. It's like Sauroman in Lord of the Rings. Was he entirely necessary to the story? Not in the movie version. But you need a villain with a face to explain their motivations and someone to root against that isn't just a glowing vagina or in this case an army of robotic zombies

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    @mugato5150 is correct

    by KilliK

    and yeah i dont think the Borg Queen was called like that in the movie.she was referring to herself as the Borg.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It's not Del Toro's talent that's in question, but Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    IF Del Toro is Khan, THIS is how they should do it.

    by Royston Lodge

    Because Nero changed the timeline, the USS Enterprise is not at the correct coordinates at the right time to intercept the SS Botany Bay. As such, the SS Botany Bay continues drifting ... right into Klingon territory.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Yes i did saw GHOST STORY. A naked ypoung Alice Kruge is always a good thing. Blessed are hot english actresses that get naked in movies. I think that it's never said in the movie that she is the borg queen. I think that she was like a borg model deliberatly made to deal with humans or the races in the federation (including their androids), to play up on their cultural attitudes toward sex, but otherwise she is fully a borg, as in, one of the collective. Whe she speaks as if she is the borg, well, all the borgs speak as if they are the borg they have no individuality, they are a collective. Each borg individual is the whole. So, when she says we, it's the whole borg speaking through her. Besides, who says she's speaking the truth in what she says? Enemies lies constantly to each other. Wars are not just fought with cannons but also with deception.

  • im a glass half full kinda guy

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    i never had a problem with vague, unpersonal villains

    by AsimovLives

    If there is a real sense of danger presented in the movie, a villain which is a personification of a bigger power is not that imperative. It's not a dramatic rule i abide to.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    impersonal villains, maybe that's what i should had writen

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm not expecting anything good for the second NuTrek movie, and i 'm counting on that. I'll get my entertaiment by mocking the stupid shit that those clowns will put in their next NuTrek movie. It will be hillarious. So, those clowns better not rob me of my fun. They better not disapoint.

  • some dank sour diesel pre-viewing should help.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    As is aid, i'm counting on the movei to be bad so i can enjoy it, in a scheudefreud way. And i'm certain it will be bad because it's from the sdame clowns who made the first. Hacks don't suddently became talented overnight as if by magic. Doesn't happen. And if i'm entertained, then the pay was worth it. The thing is, now i know what to expect from the assclowns who made the first movie. And i expect a barrel of laughs from their ineptitude and idioticy. I'll take the movie for the (invonltary) comedy that it will be. The problem with the first movie was that i caugh me was completly unawares. I am no fan of MI3, as in, i found it a banal at best, dumb at worst movie, but nothing particulary notable in it's flaws. Just naother dumb holywood blockbuster, like so many others. But when i first saw Abrams Trek, i certainly was not expecting a Michael Bay movie. Now i know i'll get a Michael Bay movie. Now i can enjoy it, through mockery. I'll exhaust my capacity to laugh.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    re: "People raised hell when Mr. Roarke was cast as Khan"

    by Chief Joseph

    I call bullshit.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Since Godwins' Law has already been invoked,

    by Chief Joseph

    Nero wanting to kill Spock is like a Holocaust survivor wanting to kill Oskar Schindler.

  • personally i dont find Michael Bay movies (or a movie like MI3) to be "so bad they're funny". Just dull and pointless. A movie like Battlefield: Earth certainly qualifies. So im not really clear on how you plan to derive a "barel of laughs" from a director who's other movies you seem to think are merely mediocre. I mean the overuse of lens flares may be annoying, but its not really laugh out loud funny. Same thing with time travel, which has been used illogically in many many movies and tv shows, some good some bad. And the production values will, if anything, be even better for the sequel, so no unintentional comedy there. What wouldve made you ROFL in ST09 if you had gone in expecting a Michael Bay type movie? Just curious.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah, never though of it like that, asimovlives

    by Mugato5150

    Just like Picard was made to be the face of the Borg, maybe she was too. Would go far to explain why Picard remembers her on the cube they destroyed. Still, I think a movie like that needs a good villain who can talk, especially if there's exposition that needs to be given. Unless it's something like a zombie movie where it's usually about how the survivors deal with each other than about the zombies themselves who never have any personality or motivation.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "What wouldve made you ROFL in ST09 if you had gone in expecting a Michael Bay type movie?" The stupidity and misguideness of it all.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Star Trek VS Doctor Who

    by UltraTron

    Doctor Who takes out the enterprise with his sonic screwdriver. The end.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Consider the idea that the borg queen portaited by the beautiful Alice Kriege is made porposedly for the benefit of the audiences. How often movies present the face of evil through a beautiful sexy woman. It adds an element of seduction and temptation, and as Data hismelf said, for a millisecond, he was tempted. And for an android, that's an eternity.

  • the book before there was ever such a thing as Scientology in the media. It was an epic about the last survivors of humanity fighting back from the brink of extinction to ultimately become the rulers of the galaxy. It brought you from the pits of total desparation to the glories of ultimate victory. It should have been Cameron's epic masterpiece. He borrowed plenty for avatar. At least that's what I thought about it as a kid.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    The damn phyclos were supposed to be

    by UltraTron

    These 12 foot tall digital creatures that had purple fur and glowing red eyes. Did the movie look anything like that? They fucking destroyed that book

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I guess my point is that in all the prevoius Star Trek movies, evne the bad TNG ones, you stillc an find some intelligent moments, however scarse they might be. Soemtimes you can tell that the filmmakers actually had a thougful moment for this one detail. None of that is to be found in Abrams Trek. This is why it rakes me as fake and phoney and malicious whenever i find some Abrams Trek fanboy trying to bring down some earlier St movie (their favorite punching bag being ST: Nemesis) in support of their favorite dreck. Starting withthe fact that two wrongs do not make a right (no matter how awful Menesis is, that in no way supports Abrams Trek), alos, i can find one or two elements from that movie that, despite it being an obvious unofficial remake of THE WRATH OF KHAN, still has a few smart and original elements to it that actuallty helped added things to ST canon, like Remus and their population. And what original aspect Abrams Trek brough to Star Trek? That it's the first ever Star Trek movie that went full retard? Why should that be motive for celebration?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Khan is East Indian- not latino

    by abe

  • latin origin perfectly while playing an fact i was talking about these news with a friend of mine this morning and i realized that i had forgotten completely that Khan was played by a latin actor. I dont think that Del Toro can hide his latin origin in the same efficient way that Ricardo did.not that he is not a good actor,it is just that his face and accent yell Latin and he doesnt have that imposing,aristocratic stature. if he is going to do a Klingon or Trelane as someone else mentioned above,then he is pitch perfect.but then again we are talking about JJ,Orci and co here,so they will end up fucking his performance no matter how good is going to turn out.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    asi i was looking for examples.

    by dahveed1972

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Captain Kirk is an Iowan not a Canadian!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Fucking dumb ass just bitch about anything sheep.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Dont see the point of Khan


    Reboot the series.....reset the timeline then rehash old stories/villians? What would be the point. Also with Khan they would have to find him again first and at that point wheres the conflict bet

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:07 p.m. CST



    between Kirk & Khan?

  • I think he would, anyway. I bet both of those are wrong, though. Not sure I can see Del Toro taking over an iconic part or working under a face full of prosthetics.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    There's merits in Abrams Trek? I was really hoping you worked at Bad Robot. Job security is so important this days, and with your strange devotion to this movie and your high praise of it's imaginary qualities, you are proving to be a dedicated PR man. Now i know you are doing all that for free. No pay as reward. You love a bad movie and you are not even getting a free T-shirt for your troubles. That sucks!

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Examples? Such as?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    deaft0ne, two things

    by Jaka

    Who would want to direct a new Star Trek film? Are you even serious with that point? There is no shortage of people who want to direct Trek films, the studio just held out of Abrams. <p> Also, what good reputation are you referring to in regards to Lost and Alias? You mean that one where he created cool, popular shows that ended up pissing off large portions of their fan bases by series end?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST

    "Dont worry...We gave her a nice Honeymooooooooooooooon"

    by SmokieGeezer

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Ugh. That means I'll have to watch it.

    by CherryValance

    lol I do not like Star Trek. But I have watched far too much of it because of who's playing the villains. Benicio needs something decent to do. That Wolfman thing was horrible. My long-standing favorite actors really have not done what they are capable of. It's disappointing. He should have made twice as many movies as he has. I went through the same shit as a Val Kilmer fan. Potential poschmential. These guys have to start putting out. Having said that this is probably the best thing for him. And he probably needs the money now that he'll have to be paying child support.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I have to back up Royston re: the Borg

    by Greggers

    Here again, it's another example of the creators of Trek not having the courage of their conceptual convictions. The Borg were a totally unique antagonist on the show, even though they were a fairly well-used story idea: The Borg are basically zombies (with technology!). In their initial appearance, they lacked the *human plague* aspect of the zombie motif, but after Locutus, assimilating people became a key aspect of their schtick. I think they should have stopped at this point because the idea of a totally relentless, *decentralized* threat is very difficult to deal with. A hydra is a lot harder to manage than a dragon whose head you can simply lop off. Plus, the dark parallel between the Borg Collective and the Federation loses it's bite if the Collective becomes, at the bottom of everything, just another empire for a mustache-twirling queen, rather than, like the Federation, an ideology. So I think the Borg Queen was a SUPER bad idea. And I think TETSUO: THE IRON MAN is one fucked up movie. Makes the techno-fetishism of any given David Cronenberg movie look like Disney.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Where the FUCK is Roberto?

    by conspiracy

    Dude usually crawls out from under his mistress when his a projects are talked about.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST

    The time-line changed when Kirk was born...

    by NoHubris

    ...which allows some 20+ years for Khan's time-line to change also.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    it doesn't really matter...

    by abe

    there will be so many lens flares that it will be impossible to tell which villain he's playing. JJ will string it along for the whole film, trying to tease us the whole time and then not even bother giving us the answer any way. "Fool me twice, shame on me".

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    either del toro or banderas for khan

    by john

    has to be a cocky motherfucker with an accent

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    No more Hispanics as Indians!

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    Okay, seeing as the original show was made during a less racially enlightened time, I can understand why they cast a swarthy Hispanic gentleman to play Kahn Noonien Singh. But if they are going with Kahn as the villain in the reboot sequel, I'd like to think they could find an Indian actor for the role. Del Toro would make a great Harry Mudd, though.

  • Of course, that's kind of a failure on the film's part. They should have found a way to better flesh out Nero's back story and relationship with FutureSpock than they did in the film.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    So happy to see all the Dr. Gonzo references here.

    by Rhuragh

    The Rum Diary is a decent movie in its own right, but the best thing about it is that it has reminded everyone exactly how fucking good Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is. Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for that Orion slave girl?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Excellent Idea, Chief Joseph!

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    A moratorium on Star Trek is perfect! No Star Trek at all until the last of these obnoxious, canon quoting nerds has passed on from complications of obesity; or otherwise slipped into a diabetic coma to type no more. Then bring it back under a flurry of anticipation, making it clear that normal, decent people are welcome to watch.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 12:02 a.m. CST

    mrekoletmelive...I can see using Montalban in 1967...

    by conspiracy

    given the demographics of the era there just were not many Indian actors hanging around Hollywood... ...but in 2011 there are at least 4 or 5 Indians in California that are not Doctors, College Professors or Engineers and have sunk to working in the entertainment industry. Those guys SHOULD at least get a shot at this part.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Del Toro's role in Sin City...

    by NoHubris

    ....shows what he could do as Khan or another Trek Villain.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:27 a.m. CST

    To the newbie prick who called me a liar

    by proevad

    Montalban's most famous role at the time was on a shit show called Fantasy Island where he dressed in a faggoty white suit and hung out with a midget. No trek fan at the time wanted him anywhere near that fucking movie, especially after the disappointment that was The Motion Picture. Call bullshit all you want--it happened.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I would actually love to see them have

    by southafricanguy

    the original crew take on th Borg. I agree with the dude that said the Borg are the best Trek villains since Khan. Amen brother.... And while I like First Contact (the only good TNG film imho) I really think so much more could be done with the borg...

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Asi....thanks for the welcome back. I know

    by southafricanguy

    exactly what you mean. Btw Asi, have you seen X-men: first class yet? I would be interested to know your thoughts....

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Interesting what you say about Super 8 Asi

    by southafricanguy

    but yeah, I agree with you. Thar=ts a big part of the problem with JJ. He is nt a bad director per se, he is just ok imho. I think his biggest problme is that he has yet to work from a truly good script. But then how the hell can he do that so long as he continues to work with Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof? And I think you have hit the nail on the head, he is more of a showman than an actual director. He seems to focus way too much on the concept of his films rather the execution...

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST, sorry man im not angry at all. Its

    by southafricanguy

    hard to get angry with a mental midget like you. It would be like getting into an argument with a special needs kid. Too easy, and ultimatly just pointless..... But hey, you have stargate. And I hear its the show of choice for people with brain damage...

  • Ricardo to reprise his Khan role for the movie because of his typecasted role in Fantasy Island.i think this fact is also mentioned by Ricardo himself in the commentaries/interviews in the special edition dvd.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:07 a.m. CST

    =Del Toro would make a great Harry Mudd, though. =

    by KilliK

    i agree.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:35 a.m. CST


    by SuperSaiyan2112

    Comparing Star Trek to Hitler...Nice going.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 5:20 a.m. CST

    DS9 is my favorite Trek.

    by Mattman

    Had a seven season story arc that was far more realized and thought out than any other Trek show.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Sorry about not replying to you, friend. the terrence malick post left the top 10, and i'm kinda too lazy to go lookthem up.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    It helped the fact that Ronald D.Moore was running the DS9 show. Somebody with talent running things makes a difference.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 7:42 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You are far more forgiving of Abrams, but we essencially agree about him. I might had the same attitude toward him if he had never made NuTrek. I wouldn't still like him, but i he wouldn't cause the disgust he makes me feel for him either. I quite liked X-MEN: FIRST CLASS a lot. Damn good fun movie. Jennifer Lawrence sure did helped me like that movie. That girl is unbelievably hot beyond description! What a babe!

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST

    both insurrection and nemesis sucked. fact.

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Hate on Abrams if you must, but at least he flushed those two turds out of the system once and for all, making more films possible at a point when the franchise was completely stagnant creatively.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    @conspiracy KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

    by rakesh patel

    Don't get me wrong i understand why it would be easier for the studio to repackage khan and the financial sense it makes. This is a whole new trek.. and a successful new trek because it's not like for like the old series. Yep all the familiar elements are there but completely mixed up. The same old formula is what killed the the TV series. Hopefully paramount realise that and will be a bit more protective of its property. saying all of that, they've taken a fair bit of time in between movies, hopefully to get the story right. It's not going to be big screen khan they face, it would be tv series khan cryogenically frozen. maybe that's a entertaining story. We'll have to find out. Here's hoping it doesnt turn up to be a superman returns mess.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST


    by proevad

    Thank you. Had forgotten about that interview.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST

    If you don't like the JJ Trek or Kahn in ST2- then FUCK YOU.

    by GoFuckYourself

    I am 34 and my dad watched the old TV series all the time. I was an early teen when the ST:TNG came out and watched it quite a bit, but not religously. As for the other series that were developed, I never really got into them. So I am not a trekkie or anything like that. I just enjoy Sci-Fi and thought that the JJ Trek was quite good. I don't give a shit about Trek lore or canon or anything like that and I think Roddenbury would enjoy the vision and direction that JJ went with the new movie. That being said, I am excited about the news and that Del Toro is in some way involved- at least possibly involved. I understand with a subject like this people's opinion will vary, but I always feel like f you don't like something- don't fucking watch it. Damn if it is not just that easy. Like Transformers- Bay screwed everyone who grew up with the original toys and the movies sucked ass. If he is involved with the new movies planned for the franchise, I will be no where near them. Same should go if you don't like JJ or the new Trek... and if you don't like it- then FUCK YOU.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    He looks like a young Toecutter in that photo

    by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls

    If they decide to give us a Mad Max prequel, sign him up.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    I predict that Khan will be played by

    by Keith

    Woody Allen.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST

    oh and i feel genuine sympathy for the stargate diehards.

    by dahveed1972

    At least b5 and farscape had interesting story arcs to make up for the bad acting /fx/dialogue etc. Well at least one of those shows had mcgyver I guess. And that hot chick with the enormous tits. You can hang your hat on those babies.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST

    despite his lack of diplomacy gofuckyourself is essentially right

    by dahveed1972

    Ultimately Abrams & cos only responsibility is to turn a profit. The compromises that the st franchise has been making from day one attests to this obvious fact.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Corey Johnson would be the perfect Harry Mudd, not Del Torro

    by lynxpro

    I'd like to see Del Torro as Khan...

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You don't need to briong the lore to realise what a stupid nmovie that NuTrek is. It's stupid completly on it's own. If the movie had been called Space Adventure: The Movie, it would still be a stupid imbecillic retard movie whose plotting is made of contrived impossible deuzx ex machinas coincidence bullshit. You guys who love it and shrug off the movies problems do an amazing job of cognitive dissociation. Bewildering. If this is a movie that can me mistaken for a good movie,then why should filmmakers even care and make the effort? It's not needed for filmmakers to make that effort, because some ill designed badly writen rush job like NuTrek will just do. It's quite sad.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Ronald D.Moore wanted to do a ST Tv show like that. Paramount booted his idea, so he left and made BATTLESTAR GALACTICA instead. Their loss, our gain.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Who cares about Harry Mudd?

    by KnowItAllFromCali

    What an overrated villain. Khan's been done as well as it can be. Personally, this news tells me that we're getting more of the same. Star Trek 2 (or whatever they call it) would be better without a definitive villain.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Someone above said Del Toro can't act...

    by TheNewDirector

    ... are you fucking kidding me?? Go watch 21 Grams (among many of his films) and come back to me.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    guys, check out this video

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    thanks, friend

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i replied to your post in the malick talkback.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Even Nimoy's self depreciating Professionalism can't...

    by conspiracy

    make up for the fact that only people who's money ran out half way through the gender change operation or whom live off their dead grandfathers ongoing SSI checks can stand to listen to Bruno Mars. I almost turned it off when I saw who it was...then just muted it and thus saved my nuts from shrinking.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i just though it was a funny vido and since it stars Nimoy, it was apropos of this Star Trek related talkback. And it's funny. Jezz louise!

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    And del Toro is a fine actor...I just don't see him in Trek.

    by conspiracy

    Maybe they will make Harry Mudd into a sleazy half Cuban half Andorian intergalactic white slaver peddling under aged Orion girls to child brothels in the Alpha and Beta quadrants...and backed militarily by higher ups in the Federation and Klingon Governments Yeah...I'm a sick fucker...but you all knew that. And ya gotta admit...that is probably more creative that what they will probably come up with.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Sorry Asi...Loved Nimoy...

    by conspiracy

    but Mars makes me wanna take a drill to my teeth. Watched with the sound was a humorous and very trekky vid...and as always Nimoy makes anything better.

  • Part of me wishes they would've completely redesigned the enterprise.

  • The only reason recasting the crew worked (although I didn't like Peg or Saldana's interpretations...but thats not their fault really) is because they basically aped the originals performances and even kinda looked like them. But Khan is such an iconic bad guy...and Montalban was himself such a force in that role, that I just do not see how you could come close to it..or why as a supposedly professional writer or director you'd even try. Of course not having an original idea in your head, and taking the easy road to riches, is the prime reason you'd try to redo the Khan story...but thats a subject for another TB.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    As do I, because Quinto was a terrible Spock

    by Jaka

    I see where people can deal with Pine, but there was still too much hammy slapstick to his performance. Urban was the only one I REALLY liked and he was DEFINITELY doing an impersonation.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by Babba-Booey

    Ceti Alpha VI. The Federation home of all off-world tech support. Staffed by a legion of genetically engineered Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos who are BORGed into terminals and work without sleep for three week stretches.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:12 p.m. CST

    People bitchin about recasting khan when fuckin spock is the most iconic one of them all

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    If you are going to recast the series -which they damn sure did, then why not use khan? Really wtf don't some of you get? If THE most iconic character of them all can be recast, then why the fuck not khan? Just bitchin to be bitchin. Yeah complain about the stupidity of the movie - and it was indeed stupid and full of even more plot holes than The Dark Knight, but that's it, cant complain about recasting when its already been done. Oh, wait a minute I forgot this is aicn, home of the bitches who complain for no reason other than they are lonely and want someone to acknowledge them bishes

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    will he mumble a lot?

    by gaygoonie

    and look like a Latin American Brad Pitt? I hope so!

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by GoFuckYourself

    I am not saying that I "Loved" the JJ Trek, although I did like it quite a bit. Yes, directors and movie companies are in it for the money first and foremost, but I was entertained by the movie which I believe is the first priority in going to the fucking movies in the first place for MY part. If I go and shell out over $50 on tickets, candy and fucking drinks for my wife and I to go (and that is sneaking candy into the movie theater most of the time), I better find some GD entertainment. And not that I don't ever watch movies and compare them to previous iterations- take "Let Me In" for example. I didn't care for it that much. Now was it because the original from Sweden by Tomas Alfredson (Let the Right One In) was only like 3 years old and the fact that I loved it, cloud my perception a little? Quite possibly. After watching it again I let go of some of what I was holding against it and enjoyed it, somewhat, the second time through. It just seems to me if you go into a movie and you are already holding a grudge, you probably WON'T like it. So why put yourself through it?

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 10:05 p.m. CST

    conspiracy- Have no issue with del Toro so long as it isn't Khan...

    by GoFuckYourself

    Not that the first Batman with Keaton and Nicholson was a "Classic" by any means (by no way am I inferring that I did not like it- LOVED IT), but isn't one of the first issues people had when the "Dark Knight" came out was "How was Ledger going to play the Joker when Nicholson was perfect?" And then Ledger knocked the cover off the ball and totally killed it (in a good way) as the Joker? Now, I know the tone of those two films differ completely, but then again so do these two Trek movies- even if Khan isn't planned to be in this one afterall. del Toro is a cool cat and if he does indeed become "Khan", I will be rooting for him to kill it as well. If JJ DOES have Khan in this installment- AS long as it is not that souless robot Sam Worthington that plays him... I would take Paul Rubens playing Khan before Sammy.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Kobe...but Quinto was doing his best Nimoy doing Spock..

    by conspiracy

    not all that good....but passable in an illogical action flick like JJTrek. But there is no way del Toro can pull off a Montalban doing an Indian impression. Montalban was a much better actor that most folks know...he owned that character. And I agree with Jaka...Urban was fucking channeling Deforest acting of the bunch. Then again they were all...victims of the writing.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Del Toro wasn't the original Khan?


  • Nov. 7, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "and as always Nimoy makes anything better" Isn't that the truth? Theis the coolest. Some younglings might laugh at the image of an old man like Nimoy smocking a joint, but thing is, he's an original 60s man. He's from the sixties, man!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 5:38 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    The did redesigned the Enterpreise into the A.S.S. Abramsprise we see in the movie... and it looks like shit!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Everybody in here can say the same that the first and foremost intention to what a movie is to be entertained. I like everybodt else. But i like to be entertained WELL. An asid, but it feels quite akward for me to call you by your nick, it feels like i'm needlessly insulting you. You must have the thickest skin. P.S.: Let The Right One In is a great movie worhty of all the love one can have for it. As for the american remae Let Me In, even without comparing it to the original the movie would still not be all that great. Matt Reeves does have some talent, but he's fucking it up with needless remakes and kissing ass to JJ Abrams as his lapdog.

  • The problem was not the dude, but from the assclowns who wrote and directed the damn movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 6:15 a.m. CST

    The best part in JJ's NuTrek?

    by KilliK

    when it ended.

  • One could make the case that the best part of the movie was before it began. It was all before the suffering we had to endure. Which comes to another point, in that i believe for many the reason they enjoyed the movie is because they enjoyed the hype so much. The hype made the movie, not the movie itself. Typical Abrams.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 6:39 a.m. CST

    =The hype made the movie=

    by KilliK

    i agree.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    ...and the bitching continues

    by SuperSaiyan2112

  • it's common among the nutrek fanboys, being brought down by irony.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Truth of the matter is Khan is a smart move...

    by NoHubris

    ...because the Wrath of Khan. Prior to altered time-line Khan making his appearance on the big screen, the Wrath of Khan a logical strategy is to have multiple viewings on key TV channels to prime the general public. Once the trailers begin, Khan would be well known to audiences beyond geek circles.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    Was hoping Javier Bardem would get the KHan gig as he looks very much like Montalbhan, especially from the original series with the black hair in pony tail.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    It won't be the same Khan because Kirk is not old enough to have met him yet. So if it is Khan, its from an entirely different POV. He will discover him on the Botany Bay first off... Sad for us, it won't be Khan seeking revenge as he is still asleep in space.

  • shit out of one of the fryer vents. I'm like what are you doing del toro- he's all I eat shit wherever I can find it. Then I see him pull down the guy standing at the deep fryer's pants and begin trying to suck shit directly from his asshole. I'm like benicio, you've go to try and stop sucking shit all the time wherever you can find it. He's like mmmmphhh, glurt, slurpphhmmmm.. I'm like- ooh Be-neecio

  • because all you assholes are ruining it You motherfuckers don't deserve Star Trek, least of all QUALITY Star Trek. You've watered it down, diluted it. Made it style over substance, presentation over meaning, comedy over allegory. Star Trek is supposed to be too intelligent to be popular, the very reason I've always been a fan. Now it's been co-opted by the Lords of Mediocrity and their legions of drooling idiot yes-men who have made it too popular to be intelligent. God help me, I'm starting to sound like AsimovLives. Redo Khan...anyone who thinks that is a good idea needs to be shot in the face, both fucking barrels. Especially if they happen to be the ones making the fucking thing.

  • Have fun chasing your tails.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Ron Meyer on Startrek:

    by UltraTron

    Yeah thank god my studio didn't make this heaping pile of rhinoceros shit. If I see anymore Startrek from these derps I'll probably slit my wrists in heartbreak. Especially if they cast that useless shitslurping wetback benicio del toro. He can stink up a movie like an infected vagina. Sweet fuck Scott Pilgrim was kinda a good movie but the very cunts we made it for didn't even show up..

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by DDayMachine

    Whats wrong with the first Star Trek? I trust JJ to make a cool sci-fi flick...not change the world. For those of you that love movies so much....why hate on them so hard? Damn I bet Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman laugh their asses off reading these posts. I would.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST

    CreepyThin slips in another gay fantasy post

    by artdude102

    Surprise surprise. Just come out of the closet already.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    the setractors of nutrek always make sense. that's why they dislike the movie.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    they laugh at the people they fooled to like their movie. they are having a blast. easiest money they ever made.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    We'll need subtitles...

    by Embeedeuce

    ...because he'll be speaking English.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Preston to be played by...

    by Embeedeuce

    ...Justin Bieber.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    playing a new villain we haven't seen before...

    by Breotan

    Wait. Is that even legal in Hollywood anymore?

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 12:55 p.m. CST

    If I had to bet money, I'd say he's going to be...

    by Astronut

    Kor. Klingon commander. Wasn't there a leak that the villains this time would be Klingons? If so, he's gonna be Kor. You watch.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Oh man, I could not disagree more re: the NuTrek Enterprise

    by Astronut

    The nascelles are so top heavy and bulbous and look really dumb when seeing the ship as a whole. The Enterprise in ST:TMP was hands-down the greatest, most beautiful E ever. I'm being fucking serious.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You like thart design that used your mother's hairblowers for the nacelles? that the ship look like the work of 10differnt people who worked without the knowledge of each other and some folllate meshed it together in a hurry without understanding how the pieces were supposed to join up? and you love the command bridge that looks a herbal life lobby and the beer brewery engine room? have you got leave of your sense, friend? what have you been smoking? tell me, so i can avoid it. do me this kindness. in the spirit of good will and friendship, you say that, i offer you this link in trade:

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    astronut, you are, of course, absolutly right.

    by AsimovLives

    one of the funniest things about the A.S.S. Abramsprise is that, though it's over-designed, the ship itself barely appears on screen, and in such quick shots (even the one that introduces it fully build), that it's impossible to have a good idea hoe it truly likes. we think we know how it looks, because most of us know how the enterprise from classic star trek looks like. we infer her look not how it actually looks in the movie, because we just can't see it properly. i guess this is another thing that makes the fanboys think abrams made this movie so "good", hem? what a joke! and never forget the brewery, man. the brewery!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Been awhile, Asi... how ya been?

    by Astronut

    I make no illusions when I say NuTrek is not perfect, not by any means. But. Please listen. But. I do not believe, and I'm a TOS fan at heart, I own everything on Blu Ray, I do not believe it was a "mindless action fest with no story or compelling plot." I know how much you loathe NuTrek, Asi but I honestly think that the portrait you paint of it is very over-the-top critical. Bayformers? Yeah, total mindless stupidity. Abrams' NuTrek? I thought he did a pretty respectable job... even with the missteps like the brewery and the big fat nascelles and the gremlin guy, among other things.... Yep. It's been awhile, Asi. I had to get that out of my system. ha

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    =you paint of it is very over-the-top critical.=

    by KilliK

    THE FUCK HE DOES.NuTrek is as shitty as it can be.Brought to you from the writers of Xena/Hercules and a tv director who thinks he is the next SS because they are both Jews and their families relate.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I totally disagree, killik

    by Astronut

    It had a compelling storyline... interesting villain (although a bit under-realized)... great effects... epic scope... serious, yeah, too many lens flares and a bunch of other little nit-picky things that seemed off, but overall, I thought it was nicely done. And I say this as a person who appreciate not just Trek TOS-based stuff, but good stuff in general. Good stuff like Superman: The Movie, ST:TMP, Alien, TDK, Total Recall, Predator, Blade, Inception, on and on. I don't like shit that just has ass-loads of effects and nothing else. So I feel not only qualified to make a "taste" judgement on NuTrek, but also justified in doing so.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I'm imagining Mudd as Raoul Duke's 300-lb Samoan attorney.

    by Royston Lodge

    This should happen.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Nobody ever protested Ricardo being Khan

    by Chief Joseph

    That is complete bullshit. The only thing Ricardo said was that HE was worried that audiences might not accept him as anyone besides Roarke and laugh at the movie. And that didn't happen. I mean think about it; Star Trek fans are real sticklers for continuity. They wouldn't have wanted anyone else for Khan except the guy that played him in the TV series-- Ricardo. The only thing that fans were pissed off about regarding that movie was Spock's death. Somebody leaked that to the press during pre-production.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST

    chief joseph

    by proevad

    You're the one who's full of shit. I remember the producers were even afraid that Ricardo being in the trailer would hurt the box office.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST

    The only money shot of the Enterprise is...

    by Embeedeuce

    ...when it comes out of the rings of Saturn's moon or whatever it was. And that's a blatant rip off (homage!) to Trek 2 in the Nebula. My fav part of the new Enterprise, btw, are the concrete floors in engineering! How long until we get transparent concrete?

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    i'm alright, and how have you been? long time no chat indeed. and nutrek is as mindless as the bayformers movies, fittingly since both came from the same vaccum of talent by it's common screenwriters, and a filmmaker who couldn't give a wet fuck about the franchise. como to think about it, the bayformers and nutrek franchise are pratically twins in their hackdoom. sorry, i had to let that out too.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    the thing you should understand about nutrek is that the movie had one of the most severe cases of hype and positive zeitgeist in recent history. it infeted even many smart people who in any other circunstances whould had better and treat this movie the same way that terminator mastigation and trash of the titans were. too many felt prey to this because it was from the guy who overplayed to nausia his positive influence on Lost. the movie is bullshit that was served with lots of chantilly and cream on top, and lots of screaming about how hip it was to have it. a fashion of the moment gone wild.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I just don't see it as mindless drivel. Not at all.

    by Astronut

    NuTrek had a plot. It had nice characterizations which paid homage to the original cast. It had heart. I mean, some at least. Trannyformers is 90% action and over-the-top ridiculousness. Hardly any plot whatsoever. Hardly any interesting characterizations. I mean, really. Come on now. You can't put them in the same bin. Even with its flaws, NuTrek is MUCH more a complete piece of filmmaking than the dumber-than-a-bag-of-rocks Transformers.

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    The reason Star Trek was overhyped


    Is because people genuinely liked it. They were surprised that they were sitting in the theater watching an exciting Star Trek movie. They were let down by the Star Wars prequels, and really wanted to open their hearts to this fresh and new science fiction action movie. It was new, exciting, fun, funny, had good charismatic characters, was directed with flare and style, had some exhilerating action scenes, people eat that shit up. So of course when they left the theater they overlooked some of the films weaknesses and exclaimed to the world, you gotta see this movie!

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    conspiracy - get defuck outta here

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    You tellin me that Del Toro is not at LEAST as capable an actor as Mr. Rourke? Del Toro?? Really? Get defuck outta here. I like Ricardo but he never had the acting chops of Del Toro. He can either play Khan straight up as an Indian, or ape Rourkes perfomance - which was indeed great and iconic but no more so than nimoys. But to say that Quinto who could pull off a barely passable nimoy doing spock but reject Del Toro doing the same with montalban and khan, well son that is just stupid.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I remember brewery Trek

    by Bobo_Vision

    Instead of Star Wars, asimovlives calls it UK Wars...because it was filmed in the UK instead of out amongst the stars. How dare they use such trickery on us? How dare they?!!!!!!

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 8:20 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    So what if NuTrek had a plot? It's a stupid plot driven by contrivence and coincidences. So what if it has a plot? All of Bay's Trasnformers movie have plots, and they are shit. Don't make the classic mistake to confuse plot with story. NuTrek is a clear case of the current Holywood trend in blockbusters to infect their movies with lots of plotting, i.e., lots of indicdents, aka, action shit happenbing all the time, but in terms of story if you came down to it it's almost nothing, simplistic to the extreme. Plot is not story. Both NuTRek and Transformers have lots of plotting, but almost no story. And the movie has no substance. Even Abrams himself admited and promised to do better in the next movie. Even the fucking clowns who made the movie know they had nothing in the movie besides shit happening. This is a clear case where the fans of NuTrek are more papists then the very people who made the damn thing. It's weird! " Even with its flaws, NuTrek is MUCH more a complete piece of filmmaking than the dumber-than-a-bag-of-rocks Transformers" That's called being damned with faint praise. Also, two wrongs do not make a right.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 8:24 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Yes, people liked it the same way people like shitty clothes and hair-dos who at the time they dress up and use without two thoughs about it because it's the fashion of the time, and then they look up years later and wonder if they were retards for falling into such stupidity. Zeitgeist bullshit is no good reason to mistake shit for quality. And it's the height of immaturity to mistake popularity with quality.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST

    bobo_vision, don't be daft

    by AsimovLives

    Your post is, quite frankly and for the lack of a better word, stupid. How about the fucking movie had used sets like the other movies did? NuTrek is by far the most expensive ST movie ever made, and still they had to use a brewery for the sets of a futuristic space ship engine room? Who ever let themselves be illuded that the engine from of the ASS Abramsprise was anything but a badly dressed up factory with big vats? And as for your dumb coment, is there any real spacecraft today that the interiors could pass as the engine room of a spaceship half a mile long? Even your smart-ass coment is stupid in the very thing it says. The problem with NuTrek is that the trickery they used SUCKS ASS!! For once understand what the detractors are saying. But if you don't care to, making dumb ass coments will not make your side look smarter. Think! Think, man! Think!

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 8:40 a.m. CST

    How about you NuTrek fans start comparing it with GOOD movies?

    by AsimovLives

    You NuTek fans love to do the usuala trickey of comparing the movie with bad movies, in a vain hope to make it look good in comparison. It's the same as praising an athlet for being able to run faster then a paralitic or a legless person. It's so desingenious to the point of insult. It is insulting. It's such a a cheap tactic. I can understand why Paramount and Bad Robot would use it, it's their interest to sell the movie by hook or by crook. But geeks, who have seen thousands of films before, who have been explosed to true good movies, and are aware of the cynical ways Holywood can advertize a movie, and fall to that bullshit? And re-use it wholesale as if they are payed workers of Bad Robot?? What the hell! How about you start comparing NuTrek with good movies? Proper good moves? Let's see how NuTrek would fare! Yeah!

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST

    "NuTrek" had alot in common with Harry Potter...

    by NoHubris

    ...movies than TOS in terms of tone, especially Nero, who was more like a Potter villain than a Trek villain.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    At least the harry potter vilains had personality and motives that, in their minds, made sense. The same cannot be said about the villain of NuTrek, that rent-a-khan made in taiwan cheapply made knock-out copy.

  • Nov. 8, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Nero's crazed vengeance over losing his wife...

    by NoHubris

    ...made sense to me in terms of villainous motive. To me, unlike Khan or rent-a-khan, Nero is basically a one note character whereas Khan is a nuanced combination of warrior, vain conqueror, empire builder, and Don Juan, greatly marred by immense arrogance and self-rightousness.