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New HOBBIT Video Blog!

Nordling here.

I haven't been able to watch this yet, and will do so as soon as I'm home, since I'm out and about.  And we get to watch this video, but Quint gets to live it, lucky bastige.  And in 3D no less.  Enjoy Mr. Jackson's discussion about 3D and some special looks at the cast and certain scenes.  Embed from SlashFilm:

Nordling, out.

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  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Looks like Jackson's getting fat again...

    by mdk

    ...Probably, he'll lose all the weight again after the picture wraps. He better watch out, though, that yoyo dieting is bad for the heart. Only Oprah has ever pulled off fat, thin, fat, thin, ad infinitum without ending up like John Candy or Divine.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I've got boner now



  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue

    by UltraTron

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I think I saw Gwildor...

    by Raz13

    maybe not but these films look amazing. I love that its all of the same people working on this!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:49 a.m. CST

    That was fucking fantastic...

    by bass

    and fascinating...and funny! Loved seeing the very cool things going on in the background, dwarves getting tossed here and there, etc. Can't wait for 2012!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST

    LOL @ 3D conceptual art.

    by gabbygall

    ... this is a GREAT production diary - 48FPS and 3D will blow Avatar away.. I cannot wait for this movie. Pete, just watch that weight - although you do look better for putting a few pounds back on.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by gabbygall

    ..did anyone else catch the part with Gandalf scratching the sign into the front door of Bag End?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:56 a.m. CST

    That just turned my brains into shit.

    by The Real McClane

    Absolutely amazing.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I Love.....

    by Geoff

    Peter Jackson. He is the most down to earth Director I have ever listened to. He isn't pretentious, he doesn't blow his own trumpet, although I doubt he could now with the belly he's developed lately. He just seems an all round great guy. Marry me man :)

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    dear baby jesus, thank you for peter jackson.

    by antonphd

  • Nov. 4, 2011, noon CST

    No Deckard for BLADE RUNNER sequel.

    by ColonelFatheart

    Plus, Ridley's directing, and he's close to finding a writer:

  • at some point before release? I'm almost as excited to see 48fps again as I am to see the film. In 3d I bet it will be pretty stunning.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    And, yes, hear hear for PJ!

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson is better...

    by Etienne72772

    ...fat anyway. He just didn't look healthy or even remotely happy when he was thin. As for the movie, I am not convinced by 3D, but I am very intrigued by the ability to manipulate the 3D during production to get different effects. Very cool about 5K and 48fps, though.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST

    real hair looks....real!

    by teddy_duchamp

    These behind the scenes shorts are fascinating, The thought of 5k resolution 48fps and 3D boggles the mind! Fat Pete = Phat Films!! bring it on

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Fat PJ = Happy + Oscars, Skinny PJ = Sad + King Kong

    by WWBD

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by maxgod

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by Kevin

    the DB is back,....

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST

    New normal = same old troll.

    by Michael Tyree

    Oh man, to watch and be spoiled? Or... At any rate, can't wait for The Hobbit to break new box office records and push fangeekdom to new levels of utter coolness. Aiya! Keep it up PJ! Now, where did I put my Elf ears...

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Frodo in costume with the ears?

    by xombygodd

    Did you notice that? I did not know frodo was in the hobbit? Was that an easter egg for us? And then the guy said here is your opening shot, Was thot of the scene or the film. Hmmmmmmmmm? I cannot wait for this movie.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Silmarillion is next, Peter

    by Gorgomel

    I'm counting on you.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Fucking fantastic

    by ATARI

    I've loved every one of these Hobbit diaries.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Alan Lee and John Howe=AWESOME

    by art123guy

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    That shot of the dwarfs protecting Bilbo... gave me goosebumps

    by D.Vader

    Why? New bigscreen Tolkien adventures, that's why!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Whoops, meant Dwarves.

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by genderbenders_rapist_father

    I thought I told you to stay in daddies room?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    How elaborate that some concept art is done in 3D...

    by ufoclub1977

    But do the differences in stroke and shading (from two unique artists' hands) make it look blurry?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    3D concept art? Okay, that's a little over the top

    by George Newman

    just draw a storyboard and get on with it.

  • I don't see the point in HD, 3D, high resolution, more frames per second etc? My bf bought a 3D HD TV that cost him like 4k last year and it just makes everything look... amateurish? Like I'm sat there watching Avatar and I'm thinking ''Wow, that gun looks like a prop!'' and when I watched Alien on bluray on his TV it just made the movie look.. fake and cheap looking. I actually prefer to watch films on a lower resolution old fashioned TV as long as the screen is big and the volume is loud. All this HD stuff just makes it feel like watching people on a set and brings me right out of the film.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by VoiceOfSaruman

    No, just kidding, that was amazing. So psyched for this. The amount of care, effort, and detail that PJ and his team put into these films is encouraging and inspirational. All of the glimpses, of characters and action and dialogue and sets, look spot on. Freeman is going to make a great Bilbo, just as Ian Holm did, but now Bilbo the character has a chance to come into his own cinematically and be a great addition to these movies. Thorin looks great. Gonna be a great film ending - they'd better give Thorin his same great lines there as in the book. Verbatim. They're the key to the whole story. Not a dry eye in the theater. Also have to hand it to PJ this time around with this blog, because not only did I learn a few things about the 3-D process, I feel much more open to it now. Previously I've found it an unnecessary distraction, in every single case. Here, it really seems organic, a sincere and focused attempt to bring the cinema experience to a new level. King Kong? No, it was no Fellowship of the Ring (or even Heavenly Creatures perhaps), and I haven't had a great urge to see it again. But I thought it was a fun ride and nothing to be ashamed of. If he had made it 30-45 minutes shorter, it might have been received better as a tighter adventure/thriller film. But that's just me, and I didn't mind The Lovely Bones either, so there you go. Silmarillion? I'm not sure if can be done. It would be most amazing and unbelievable to see Morgoth and Ungoliant, and the two trees. But it would need so much more writing and character development than what's there now, and the tone would be very different from these films. I expect there to be a lot of good laughs in the Hobbit films. The Silmarillion is pretty devoid of humorous possibilities (and that is one thing that makes it great in its way.)

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Chillax, genderbender

    by STLost


  • Also willing to bet that out of the women who actually have read Tolkien, the majority did not have their self esteem reduced to corpse-like remains. I am sorry that you did not have a good reading experience and that you were moved so negatively.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    xombygodd ...

    by Ravyn

    It's been pretty much confirmed that the Hobbit movies will bookend with Frodo and Old Bilbo (Ian Holm) at Bag-end just before the beginning of the Fellowship of the Ring. (See Quint's report on this very site)

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I stand corrected.

    by George Newman

    You are so completely dang right, I want to cry.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    genderbender what the hell are you talking about?

    by xombygodd

    Frodo and sam in TLOTR are just a hug away from sex the entire 3 films, How can you consider that mysoginistic? If anything he promotes the feminine caring side of people all the elves are Fey. The masculine characteristics are all displayed in a negative way ie: the orcs, or in a restrained only when necassarry manner. Even the One king is portrayed in some homoerotic light, With everyone loving him. But other than trying to start an argument, Please explain how Mr. Jackson is depriving lil girls of their self worth. I would think I would prefer my grandaughter to emulate a character from the movie than some brainless barbie doll. Unless of course you are just some short haired angry lesbian who has a muffin top flat chest and IDK 2 tattoos, Maybe one a triangle or a rainbow. And all it is , is you are jealous of peoples success and beauty and so instead of coming to grips with your own insecurity you lash out anon. online. I know you are full of it, Because I do not any girls under 16 who have read Tolkien of their own volition, Except for the ugly ones.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Hobbit video, genderblender, et. al.

    by AssyMuffJizz

    First, the video is AWE INSPIRING. So fucking great. Love the shots of Gandalf wielding Glamdring again and etching the secret sign into B's door. I have figured out who genderblender really is: Mr. Beaks. Only Beaks would be so consistently obsessed with rape.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Consider aragorn

    by xombygodd

    A brooding, distant, attractive figure wanted by all but had by none, That is a typical.. Umm wish-fulfillment , object of desire. Imaginary character, If you want a typical man check out Ellen, or rosie or even Oprah. They are more manly than most. Huh lil early to mid 20's right

  • (i asterisk significant because I suspect it may have produced a guffaw from you)

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by VoiceOfSaruman

    Normally I might give you and your perspective the benefit of the doubt, but we are talking about movies here, and it's clear you didn't watch any of them. There are absolutely no swooning, helpless elf-princesses here. What movies or books did you read? As far as the movies, there are three main female characters. One of them is an incredibly powerful leader of Elves. probably one of the top three most powerful and strong characters (male or female) in the whole trilogy. The second is the closest to an 'elf princess', but (in the film at least), she steps up and saves the main protagonist of the saga when no one else can. And the third is a great warrior, who plays an incredibly key role in the finale of the saga, by doing literally what is ordained that no "man" can. So what movies did you watch? And as far as the books, you'll never understand the world until you get some cultural perspective. Tolkien wrote these books half a century ago, and they depict fictional events that took place thousands of years ago. For example, if you delve into human history, even mythologically, you're going to find animals that suffer in war - putting that up on the screen is not a crime. And there are no helpless women in the books either. Nor are there any lesbians, for better or worse. Your perspective on that and all of this betrays far, far more about your own personal issues than the actual problems facing women today. When you stop trying to fit everything you see around you into your own personal persecution complex, you might get a relative taste of reality. I find it quite sad that you see problems in the world - some of which may be real, and some are clearly made up in your mind as you desperately seek ineffective targets - and you choose to blow off steam by coming here and spew vitriol and anger that is more rightfully directed at people explicitly in your own life experience who made you feel less valued than you should.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Frodo in the Hobbit

    by pumaman

    Yep, Frodo will indeed be at the beginning of the first movie, taking us back in time to when it all kicked off with Bilbo and that pesky Dragon.

  • Homophobic, defensive, undereducated. Me? Self-hating, reactionary, Ignorant of subject! You.. How can you a woman, (Maybe), Attempt to ascribe feelings and motives to a man. That is like me complaining about menstrual cramps. I can imagine what it is, But I will never know. You seem to be a very insecure, person looking for a place to lay fault. If you do not like the story then re-write with women characters, It could be the next epic tome of womens rights and the gay movement, Or you could do what most of you do and complain and bitch behind some screen name.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    That is what I was wondering, Telling the story so to speak.

    by xombygodd

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by batmancw

    Here's an idea--DONT GO SEE THE MOVIES Now, why you would log into a thread of Tolkien fans just to talk shit says a LOT more about YOU & your issues than Tolkien's "misogyny"

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    GenderBender- BRILLIANT

    by D.Vader

    That was some pretty good Tolkien analysis! For a woman. =D Acha cha cha chaaaa!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Galadriel's effect

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    What kind of effect do you want that would be "direct"? You want Galadriel to drop the Ring into Mt. Doom herself? Get over it. In Tolkien's works, Galadriel is a wise and powerful ruler. And as far as LOTR, without the gifts Galadriel gives to the Fellowship, particular the phial, they never would have completed their goal. You expect a book written in 1950 to reflect your 2011 (defensive and wrongly-educated) views. This is why you lead a life of disappointment.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    She is a different species right?

    by xombygodd

    No she is a mixed breed, So maybe jackson used her to comment on the intermingling of races now, as opposed to when the book was written. If so then Arwen is a good thing right. Not so much an I deal women as opposed to an Ideal. And she would not have died if he lost she chose to stay , Which I do not know why I thought she was a stupid character and an ugly women, So I gotta half agree with you on that part. What about the fact all the orcs are black or brown yet the heroes are all white, where are the people of color, That is right they are bad. Stupid white people

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    no wonder Genderbender went lesbian,

    by STLost

    no guy would put up with that shite. Analyze movies for misogyny. Analyze politics for misogyny. Analyze talkbackers for misogyny. Claim misogyny when someone "confronts" her(him?) Genderbender, a word of advice: RELAX. Turn off the computer and go to the nearest park. Take a walk through the woods, and feel the autumn wind give you the chills as you watch the last of the leaves fall to the earth. Realize in that moment that there is no bad/good conflict. It's peace. It's harmony. The world isn't shit. Live.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Amen, Preach it brother!

    by xombygodd

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    I still wont see it in 3D

    by AtheistScum

    and everything in here is from the book, so how exactly are they stretching this out to two movies??

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    well you'll always have Tomb Raider

    by VoiceOfSaruman

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    "Outta the way, Peck!"

    by D.Vader

    HAH! I use that line everytime I'm in a crowd.

  • Now sit on that , ladies ~~~<--------8

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by DarthJedi

    I don't care if you are a frigid, bitter bitch and hate the world. Just don't come here to tell us about it. site admins - just ban this crazy slut already.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I just want these films to look just as good in regular 2-D

    by Cureguy

    I hope to be blown away by this film in 3-D. I have purposefully stayed away from any 3-D film including Avatar until The Hobbit comes out for me to judge. What gives me encouragement is that the two great visual artists Lee & Howe have obviously jumped wholeheartedly into the 3-D process. Of course, I hope the quality of The Hobbit story is not sacrificed for these special FX. If anyone can convince me, it's Peter Jackson.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by notcher

    That's what I want to do so I can wake up and watch "The Dark Knight Rises," then go back to sleep until these are out. FUCK YEAH!!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Well I have been married over 10 years so Foreplay? IDK

    by xombygodd

    As for the 45 minutes again I am married for 10 years and want to stay that way. Hit it quit it. Try staying for dessert, That'll keep them broads from legging it man. Besides Can you think of a better feeling than that, Shiiit! I want it to last. uumm damn where is my wife at. Gotta go. 44:59:59

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    no morons

    by happyboy

    Galadriel is female, she is the most powerful Elf in the LOR. Her power, via her gifts to the Fellowship are what sustains Frodo and the others and allows them to complete their mission. In the end she proves herself more powerful and more enduring than Sauron himself. Eowyn is female, she kills the Witch King, a foe literally unkillable by any man. She protects the body of Theoden from defilement. She defies all moral censure to go off to war as a female and ends up victorious. why are you morons being trolled? Genderbender is a modern white moron who is actively "losing" to China economically and interracial pron culturally. in 50 years this type of person won't even exist on this earth. Toklien's women aren't "strong" enough? Good job missing the entire point of the books. Sauron represents physical mechanical strength. Tolkien's entire point is that moral power exhibited by the "weak" like Hobbits and women is ultimately more powerful than physical strength represented by orcs and Sauron. it's a basic Liberal Christian tenet. the entire legendarium is about "the meek shall inherit the Earth" some retard nerd complaining that females aren't out there bashing orc heads is like someone bitching females aren't playing football so aren't participating in sports in this country. bottom line is that females are clearly established as value-leading figures from the earliest of Tolkien's writings. both MALE and FEMALE been essential (and thus equal) aspects of Eru Iluvatar's essence.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    @genderbender--FAIR ENOUGH & Thanks of rexplaining

    by batmancw

    Then you clearly KNOW that Tolkien's books were written in the 40"s when NO ONE was writing fantasy adventure with women as heroes--he & his books are a product of the times. I guess you can label his works misogynistic IF you want to view them that way, but it would be different , IMO, if his works were the exception versus the rule for his time period. Fast forward to the 90's--the 3 BEST SELLING FANTASY series ALL feature powerful women as main characters Jordan's "Wheel of Time" 14 book series where fully 60-70% of the MAIN characters are incredibly powerful women in a world essentially ruled by women. Goodkind's "Sword of Truth"-12 or 13 books so far--again FAR more powerful female characters than men Martins'-"Game of Thrones"--not as many, but several women of immense power are driving forces in the story The lesser known, but excellent "The Deed of Paksenarrion" by Elizabeth Moon & it's sequel trilogy--the main characters are warrior women So, the times have changed--FOR THE BETTER it just struck me that your comments seemed awfully harsh & I never understand why folks chime in on threads like this just to "hate". Thanks for explaining & Be well

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    obviuosly that should have read thanks for explaining

    by batmancw

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Anyone who gets genderbender banned S

    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST

    ASOIAF, Tywin Lannister coolest character ever.

    by xombygodd

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by gabbygall

    Get back indoors and iron my shirts bitch.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    She's back in her cage now boys.

    by genderbenders_rapist_father

    Bitch has a vag like fish flavoured sandpaper.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I hate 99% of 3D but...

    by jimmy_009

    ...this is one of the few movies I'd make an effort to see in 3D.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    @happyboy--EXCELLENT POST

    by batmancw

    Great points hb!! You also sound like you're familiar with the Silmarrilion, where Tolkien's version of the creation myth includes numerous powerful female characters. OT, a bit--But I believe that Galadriel is also the oldest remaining elf in ME, unless her consort--name escapes, me or the Elven "boatman"--again, name escapes me are older & of course in Elven culture age= power

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Tyrion I meant TYRION< dmna disylejkxiia

    by xombygodd

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute guys, you missed GB's biggest point!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    She's penning a book, with AICN Talkbacks as the centerpiece?!?! BWAHAHAHA HAA HAA HA HA HA! So not only can I log on and spend hours reading hateful, ignorant, racist, sexist garbage, with some few gems in there, but now I can pay to read some troll's book? Oh but its going to have "thoughtful" analysis explaining how every single female in the world, who does not prescribe to GenderBender's narrow world view, must have had their psyche murdered by the writings of a British Linguist and Philologist. BRILLIANT!

  • On a side note, can you imagine The Silmarillian in 10 years or so? Would be the most epic film since The Hobbit in 12.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST

    But to the video

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I think it looks damn good, I for one am really excited. More Tolkien epic on screen. The costumes and characters look good to me, I just can't believe this movie is more than a year away.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Genderblender's book

    by AssyMuffJizz

    I bet the Choppah gets a whole chapter. Shit, I'll buy it.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3 p.m. CST

    I like a lot Harry's animated BLOB avatar.

    by KilliK

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Good point azzymuffjizz, are you listening Choppah

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    At this very instant, GenderBender is feverishly polishing up the last pieces of her outrageous screed on fanboys, summed up by the horrid rantings of one Choppah, S. Preston, Esq. Your casual indifference and constant mocking have lead one very hard working, and completly bugnuts insane lesbian, to spend hours pouring over your words in an attempt to find the root of your psyche and the trauma you must have suffered to make you the poster you are today. Aren't you happy to know how much heartache you caused that poor woman?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    hmm, I'd like to see that 5k

    by The Fuck

    3D had quite a lot of things to improve on. Lots of ghosting, even in Avatar. Can't wait, Peter. Props for these video updates!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah!

    by Mike

    It's gonna be awesome people. We're about to see some seriously cool shit. These movies are gonna make a lot of hacks in the movie industry look like fuckin' amateurs.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST

    She didn't use to Choppah

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    But in order to support her secret Cocaine habbit, which she used to fund through petty theft and larceny, she now lets fledgling young stars like Joshua Jackson, Tom Welling, and Ryan Hurst pay her to pop their black booty cherries. She thought she could loop in Charlie Hunnam, Ryan's co-star, but he said he gets free rides when ever he wants em from the chicks that play the porn queens on SOA. He's still trying to break into the locked down vault that is Maggie Siff's righteous rear, but she doesn't give that easy. Sorry Charlie.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Damn, where'd my post go

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I had an answer for you Choppah, regarding Wynona, it was a well researched one at that, but now it appears to have vanished.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Never mind

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    It just took 5 minutes of refreshing.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Fat people make make better speculative media.

    by Dennis_Moore

    If you want to write a fantasy, sciffy, or comic book, or direct or paint, get fat and beardy.

  • It's just silliness.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Though it's neither funny nor clever. Just tedious.

    by Dennis_Moore

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, not sure Dennis

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    George Lucas is the original fat and beardy, and we all know what he is capable of. He seems to reverse the trend, the fatter he got, the worse his stuff became.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    On topic

    by AssyMuffJizz

    * Bilbo opening his front door and the Dwarves falling on the floor (have to check if Thorin is on the bottom of the Dwarf pile when rewatching!) * Dwarves arriving into Rivendell between pretty Elven statues, and later on being scared by something in Rivendell. * Elrond reading the Map * Bilbo and Dwarves running in the pine forest in the eastern side of the Misty Mountains, apparently being attacked by Goblins. I'm happy they kept the look of the forest and the whole enviroment as it was described in the book, as the description came from Tolkien's own memories of hiking in the Alps. * MIRKWOOD! Yes it's a bit over the top, but as they said it's going to be so dark it has to be such to get any idea what it's like. * Bilbo sitting on the tree top, looking out. The oak he's sitting on is in its yellow autumn colours. Nice touch! Usually the artwork of their journey through Mirkwood pictures the forest being in its summer splendour, but indeed its autumn. How are they going to fit this with the real location shots they take? It's all green out there. * Spider web! And Dwarves being covered in it! Notice: they aren't hanging from trees, but lying on the ground. Hmmm... I would have liked them hanging, but perhaps there's a reason for this change. Perhaps it's to allow the spiders be of a smaller statue. It was nice to see a bit of Martin's acting. Also notice Gandalf charging towards the cameras, armed with Glamdring! Then there were some new costumes, and the best of all... John Howe and Alan Lee! Oh they were adorable. Heart They've aged, especially Alan. But just look at them. Drawing 3D concept art with 3D classes on, looking positively adorkable.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    Did a little quick research. I think you have it reversed on bender. Genderblender got banned a few months ago, supposedly at bender's insistence. Of course, it could've been for something else. Can't imagine why blender would get banned and bender wouldn't. Me, serious or not, either one amuse the fuck out of me.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Winona Ryder: Biography of a Ring Piece Princess

    by conspiracy

    Winona's flirtation with colon cuddling no doubt came early in life...her lithe, wholesome looks betraying a hidden inner love of a full buttocks; the only clues were the faint but growing shimmer of pinwheels in her eyes, a mountainous rack and deliciously ample shitter for a white girl. Professionals could smell trouble ahead...trouble and anal. But it wasn't until Actor and tang splitter extraordinaire Johnny Depp sunk his freshly flush 21 Jump Street cock into her that her anus could be well and truly satisfied; and Depp would come to know the addiction that trumps coke and smack in the city of Angeles, the addiction of a skinny white chicks rear entry. Week after week, day after day it is said that Winnona offered Depp the earth toned pleasures deep within, past the depths of last nights feast; her addiction became his as they spiraled into am orgiastic sphincter lube laced death spiral...taboo's were vanquished as quickly as they collected tattoo's. It was all too much...sensing a bad end out of Winnonas...Depp fled to France never to return. Winnona however moved on, finding vicarious thrills as she could...her puckered pooper pushing her past plebian pleasures...offering her voracious turd tube for anyone with the time and the talent...allowing them to mount her luscious porcelain gluteus and peruse her pink perineum until the probe his it's mark and pushed deep into her dank gravy plenum...all the time wallowing in a mountain of swag from Saks. Alas...her love of the anal arts overshadowed her love of the performing arts and for a time she was content to disappear into her own personal rabbit hole...just her, her vib and her deliriously hungry anus. The world forgot her... ...and then...there she was....a bit part in Star Trek. Aged, but still as remembered...her eternal hunger under control....for a time at least. How long will Winnona be able to keep her jones for jimmy in her ass under control? Who knows...lets just pray then next time her anal centric addiction is on film. Winnona Ryder...Anal as a way of life.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST

    You're a real poet, conspiracy

    by AssyMuffJizz


  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I hope Jackson films more on location and less on set

    by AssyMuffJizz

    Especially his woodland scenes. Think about how much better the look and feel of the battle at the end of FOTR (real woods) was in comparison to the scenes in Lothlorien or especially Fangorn.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Actually assymuffjizz, that's an interesting question

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    As explained in the video, the color scheme requires quite a bit of adding color for the later color grade. But how do you do that to nature? Does this ultimately preclude them from filming much on location. I agree with you that the on location stuff looked epic compared to the sets, although I thought the sets looked good, but what will this mean with this new RED camera.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    It's hard to make artificial woods look real.

    by AssyMuffJizz

    That's the only qualified criticism I've had with the video blog (qualified because I haven't seen it in 48 FPS 5K 3D).

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    Gandalf looks GREAT (and legitimately YOUNGER)! McKellen (10 years older in reality) is world class. Pretty amazing.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Thank you're all my inspiration

    by conspiracy

    And as's for the children.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Watching this on an office computer with no speakers is...

    by conspiracy

    oddly entertaining. What makes it really keen is I can supply my own narrative...and therefore not get pissed off or disappointed by anything.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Fat Jackson=better chance at quality

    by conspiracy

    Packing on pounds means he gives a fuck and is up late at nights feeding his face while he goes over the next fews days shooting. If he was still skinny I'd just say he didn't give a flying fuck and was out all night fucking Kiwi chicks and snorting blow off of the edge of the "Sting" prop.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Will enough theaters have the equipment to do this justice?

    by moonlightdrive

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    December 2012. I hope we're all around to watch it.

    by moonlightdrive

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Choppah..."No Cocking for Cold Gash"

    by conspiracy

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Scarcely aware of the existence of hobbits..

    by Richie

    Can't wait for this. 3D will fit PJ like a glove. Roll on 2012

  • ...just pulling chains and yanking cocks.

  • but two things made me shy away from that hypothesis... 1. When those folks do come online, especially here in the past, they go undisguised so as to bask in the ego satisfying attention...both good and bad. 2. Genderbenders schtick is way to fucking verbose, well thought out, and well written to be the usual Hollywood hack. I mean really...ya think the typical screenwriter writes that well or could come up with such a well planned back story? They aren't that clever.

  • Cheers, motherfucker, cheers.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Gender,someone else pulled that

    by Madcapper

    "Im writing an academic paper about you" bullshit last year or so. Sounds like a joke to me man. And if it isn't, keep coming with your self-important feminist theories. I'm slightly amused. Oh, and conspiracy, that Winona piece is pure gold.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I"m always available for piece work and rewrites...

    by conspiracy

    The only thing I don't do is straight comedy...I'm too fucked in the head to write Funny for People who liked Land of the Lost. Keeping it simple so fuckers in the business can figure it out.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    you are very amusing. If you were to take an honest look in the mirror, you might just find that you have become exactly what you hate. Funny how that works.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Choppah: 2 points

    by smatt584

    Point 1, Thats the second time Ive heard 'Willow' mentioned in connection to the hobbit movie. The first was when a friend said he didn't know why everyone was exited about a live action adaptation when they had already made one. This conversation brought out that very quote from myself. Classic. Point 2, anytime someone refers to ITMOM. Where is my fucking bluray already?

  • one issue laden, cynical and snarky personlity is more than enough. Oddly enough I'm Conspiracy in one form or another everywhere...unless I use my real name; not many in the real world know Conspiracy...which is good lest my wife remove the feeding tube.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    You better get ready...

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Elijah and Ian haven't change. It's eerie.

    by Orionsangels

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Gandalf in 3D shades...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny


  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST

    He's fat, good!

    by Anthony Torchia

    He looks better fat I didn't know this was going to be 3-D (he said shamefully) Mi verga es HARD

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST

    batmancw yes

    by happyboy

    Galadriel was the granddaughter of Finwe, making her of the 3rd generation of elves to ever exist since the beginning of the world. For reference, her daughter (who was captured and tortured by orcs) married Elrond and so Galadriel is grandmother to Arwen and great-grandmother to Aragorn's son. The two elves you're talking about are Celeborn (her husband) and Círdan the Shipwright. The most powerful elves in Middle Earth after the coming of Sauron were High King Gil-galad, Galadriel and Cirdan. And likewise the 3 elven rings of power were entrusted to those 3. Celeborn is also powerful but not as old or as powerful as those 3. After Gil-galad fell battling Sauron at the end of the 2nd Age, Tolkien specifically wrote that Galadriel was the "mightiest and fairest" of Elves remaining in Middle Earth. During the 3rd Age the most powerful elves were Galadriel, then Cirdan then Elrond (Gil-galad's lieutenant and herald). The point that assholes miss while trying to box in literature to fit their own agenda is that LOR isn't about strength. Tolkien states that even the mightiest elf-lord like Glorfindel (who was physically the greatest fighter in Middle Earth and a match for the riders led by the Witch King) could not do what a Hobbit could do. Tolkien borrows heavily from Christian mythology where physical strength (being of this world) cannot compete with moral strength (being of a higher plane). This is why the physically strongest Valar like Tulkas are no match in power to Varda and other female gods. Females being portrayed as physically "strong" is a completely ignorant and irrelevant concern in LOR (even throwing out Eowyn's heroics). Tolkien's whole point is that being able to nurture, protect and inspire are the most powerful forces in the universe, and no characters do that better than the female characters in LOR.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST

    F A T _ J A C K S O N = G O O D.

    by Tom

    I _ a m _ R E A S S U R E D _ b y _ P E T E ' S _ G I R T H.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST

    This video

    by Zorak5

    was amazing! The footage looks awesome and epic! I am so glad PJ ended up directing!

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:20 p.m. CST

    128 gig cartridges?

    by GeorgieBoy

    What's that, about 10 seconds of footage at 5,000k and 48 FPS? Jeez.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Too bad

    by brobdingnag

    I would have thought Jackson of any director would have avoided gimmicky horse shit like 3D. No wonder there are going to be two movies. They have to pad the story with six hours of Gandalf's staff and Sting poking out into the audience. This alone guarantees these films wont be as enjoyable as LOTR.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    regarding GenderBender

    by BadMrWonka

    First off, all of you idiots telling her/him to make you a sandwich and calling her/him a slut, bitch, etc., don't you see that's just feeding into the whole rouse? The entire gameplan for this troll is to get a rise out of you, and make you act out your misogynistic tendencies. And don't get it twisted, GenderBender is a troll, pure and simple. He/she might be somewhat well-spoken and have a far-reaching plan, but it's still trolling when you just pop in with the same schtick over and over again, just to get a rise out of everyone by being contrary. That is the very definition of trolling. The thing about writing a manuscript about AICN is hilarious, and another example of how trolls like him/her, who are masters of their craft, make everything about them. He/she drops this "bomb", then says, "Oh, I've got to go, now!" In this way, all of you talk about him/her, discuss book titles, topics, chapters, who will be mentioned, etc. etc. Trolls don't are WHY they're being mentioned, they have the ability to chalk every post mentioning them into a +1 point for them. 50 posts all calling them an idiot? They're sitting pretty at +50. It's sad, but that's how their brain works. And all of you are falling for this, like complete tools! Seriously! When you start ranting about your dicks and sluts and bitches, it makes GenderBender look more rational, and less like a troll. You're ALLOWING him/her to hijack threads left an right, and with what? Some high school freshman crap analysis of gender roles, using a modern perspective to pick apart a book written 70 years ago? It's sheer nonsense, and yet, it's now becomes the MAIN FOCUS OF THIS TALKBACK. GenderBender has been pulling this same schtick with other movies and other talkbacks, and now he/she sees an opportunity to derail MULTIPLE talkbacks in the Hobbit. Clearly, there are going to be dozens upon dozens of articles about this movie in the next year, and if you allow this troll to take over, we're going to be wading through this troll dung in every goddamn talkback, unless you learn that the only way to defeat a Troll is to IGNORE THEM. This guy/girl is just like a toddler bouncing around trying to get attention. Just ignore him/her, and eventually he/she will give up their act. Or even if they keep it going, it's one or two posts we have to ignore, not a hundred, like in this talkback. STOP TAKING THE BAIT. Seriously, guys. And if you can't, at least drop the misogynistic crap. When a woman (or, more likely, a dude pretending to be a woman) make outlandish claims about misogyny, and you're response is, "Go make me a sandwich, bitch! HA HA HA", you look like a complete and utter fool. Seriously. You look. like. a. MORON. And you're giving the troll exactly what it wants.

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:21 p.m. CST


    by smatt584

    Was that post supposed to be ironic?

  • Nov. 4, 2011, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Wow Genderbender

    by LowDevil

    You are no doubt a woman, an angry educated woman. Probably married no kids and miserable. Not sure why i chose to read any of these posts, i never do. But i am fond of Tolkiens' writings. Just his writings. I didnt know him and neither did you. I call people like you the educated non-educated. We are just fans, go write hate somewhere else. im sure there are lesbians out there that will read your nonsensical babble.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:38 a.m. CST

    I will see this is 3D but only if being projected at 48fps...

    by Simpsonian

    which I would guess would unfortunately leave out true IMAX, since it is film-based...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:41 a.m. CST


    by hadrion

    ... 5 k is the resolution, not the bitrate of RED RAW.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:18 a.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    Believe me, I really hate giving this troll even more attention, but I was really hoping I could get people to finally wise up. Perhaps it's a fool's errand, but I had to try.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure if genderbender...

    by Boober

    is the real deal or assuming the part for amusement/entertainment purposes. The vitriol and scathing nature of "her" cause is impressive, but ultimately the attempt to connect her concerns to the reality of who PJ is and what he is doing is so outlandish as to make me suspect that if she were serious about victory in the arena she supposedly champions, she would be elsewhere. AICN talkbalks aren't exactly going to give her the substantive victories someone like her supposedly seeks. In conclusion, I say to genderbender: Well played, SIR! Full of SOUND and FURY and signifying NOTHING. Anyway, "she" hijacked me for most of this thread, so Pyrric victory acknowleged. BTW, that Blog WAS EFFING AWESOME! PJ knows how to build the marketing with his products, eh? Slow burn to white hot...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by xxonmill

    FUCK YOU and your lesbian/animal rights shit. Go harpoon yourself you fat bull dyke on some beach somewhere. If you hate these type of movies so much, WHY ARE YOU IN THIS FORUM? I'll tell you why-your are a fucking troll.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Completely agree, dryllion

    by bubba1967

    Just saw a bunch of films on my friend's hi-def LED/3D TV and I felt like I was in video village watching on a camera tap. Separate or together, LED and 3D TV's have an uncanny way of sapping the magic out of movies.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    3D... woo fucking hoo.

    by ScriptCunt

    Thank goodness so much time and technology and attention is being invested in the most trivial and worthless aspect of movie-making. I'm sure that the story itself will be well served by opportunistic moments of shit flying out of the screen at the viewers. Maybe we'll even get some awesome Gloin 3D fart jokes.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by genderbenders_rapist_father

    Tiffany honey, your phone privileges are cut.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Alright! I fucking love these video blogs. Great stuff...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...and it brings me back to that glorious period of 1998-2003 when anything seemed possible with "geekdom". P.J. does such a good job with these things, too. Careful not to show too much but still giving you glimpses of great things to come (fingers crossed!). I love how well put together they are; definitely not slapdash.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    no one is talking about that shit dude

    by happyboy

    Tolkien's "message to girls" is that although not as physically strong as men, you can be: equal/superior in courage (aka Eowyn) superior in wisdom (aka Galadriel refusing the Ring) and constitute an equal portion of the defeat of your enemies. If you have that much of a hatred for blacks and if Fuck Bitches, Get Money fills you with that much rage, quit being a typical effete defeated white loser and go call them out. Anyone bitching at Tolkien simply because he was white and Christian lol, makes about as much sense as voting for Obama because he was going to change shit in this country.

  • ... that makes me nervous because the shaky-cam battles were really hard to follow in LOTR, as were similar 3D shaky-cam-battle scenes in Avatar. I guess the 48 FPS is what will make the fast movement bearable now? Still, I would personally opt for seeing these films shot more like an old-school epic. Big wide masters, lots of simple, well composed still shots, sparing use of crane and dolly etc... Very occasional use of the shoulder-camera, if any. But that's never been PJs style, so I should just shut the fuck up and be happy that he's making another fantasy epic.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    This whole genderbender thing

    by ebanks1

    This is a classic piece of western literature and deserves to be analyzed at many levels, scrutinized and picked apart with every lens we have available to us. Genderbender, you're not wrong. I think you have a solid and intelligent position on the way these novels and these films portray women. I think some of the responses you've gotten on here have been... sad. Pretty sad. But there are a few points I want to try and make to the best of my ability-- Here we have a male novelist and male filmmaker telling a male-centric story geared towards a male audience. Now ESPECIALLY in Tolkien's case, the man has practically no business even trying to write a female character. How could he possibly understand the female experience, let alone characterize it? I mean you're right about it being 'disregard, due to a lack of any real understanding' but I think that's not necessarily a negative thing. I think it's probably for the best that the stories are SO male-centric, because imagine he had thrown a female character into the fellowship-- He would have no comprehension of how to write that character, her presence alone might have been a feminist set-back of another 50 years. Fortunately, the story wasn't about knights in armor saving helpless damsels. It was "good" male characters trying to stop a generic "evil" from destroying the world. Tolkien was writing what HE wanted to be doing. He clearly wished he and a bunch of his buddies could go out with swords and kill a bunch of things with no penalties. Faceless orcs and evil lords and whatnot. But it never came across as "these helpless women will throw themselves at us if we save them from evil," as many many other stories have unfortunately been. Basically, I think that yes, from a critical standpoint based in feminist theory, one should not give these books to their children and say "Girls, this is how to be a woman. And boys, this is what girls want from you." But because the goals the male characters are trying to achieve in this story remain male-centric--i.e. they don't have to do with the women at all-- I don't think this further impresses a negative image of women in the real world. The boys, in effect, aren't concerned one way or another with the women of this story. So while it doesn't present a strong female character for girls to relate to, neither does it focus on creating half-naked wishy-washy man-obsessed girls, thereby perpetuating a terrible stereotype. It really is a disregard, but the book also disregards race relations and the death penalty and environmentalism... The REAL problem here is that the counterpart doesn't exist. At least not on such a grand cultural scale. LOTR is really a book about boys doing boy stuff, and the females are minor and poorly characterized. Not as an attack or as a means to keep women down, just because the story was not ever meant to address the female experience. The few times he does, as you said with Eowyn, it really falls flat on its face. So from that perspective, I really think keeping the female characters minor is kinda something we should give him credit for... kinda. But like I was saying, there are too few stories of this scale told from a woman's perspective about women being strong independent characters. But I can only blame humanity for that. Maybe America? I don't know, I don't know enough about the rest of the world. But if some sort of comparable film was made with a female-centric story that just disregarded male characters in the same way, it just wouldn't do very well. I'm not happy with that. I wish I could change it, but that's a cultural revolution and something I can't blame PJ for not making happen. Clearly, that's not something he should be at the forefront of. I guarantee the producers and maybe even PJ himself said "Well, there's got to be a love story, make that Arwin character bigger and have her like almost die or something" because the general public wants that in their movies. Sad story is, the general public are misogynistic idiots. Now we could debate all day about whether the movies need to change to change peoples' perspectives, or whether peoples' perspectives need to change before the movies will reflect that. I happen to think it's the latter. BUT I'm just going on and on and repeating myself, so basically I just think that LOtR is not an attack on the strength of women, it simply isn't a story about women and it doesn't have to be anymore than Oliver Twist oorrr Sherlock Holmes or whatever stories about men that don't address the female perspective. Let me know what you think about this...

  • I Think!>.,././?

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Jesus ebanks1...

    by FuneralDirector

    That was the biggest load of pandering horseshit I think I've ever read in my life... and this is coming from a 67 year old WOMAN here... somebody get that boy a feminine napkin...quick It's OK to be hated by a crazy lesbian lunatic, son, not everybody in this world needs to love you dear...

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:23 p.m. CST

    hahaha, fair

    by ebanks1

    While I think "pandering horseshit" is strong wording, my post definitely could've used an edit... Still, I'd rather open a dialogue than just hear "Oh yeah?? Well you're a fat lesbian!!" as a retort Really I'm just interested as to HOW she responds. I'm trying to both rationalize and challenge an extremists opinion, attempting to open a dialogue. If she just comes back acting like a crazy bitch all over again, I'll know she's just a crazy bitch (likely). But if there's SOME sort of compromising discussion, well then her claims may have merit. But when there's 50 assholes vs 1 lunatic, I just don't know what to think. I don't care if she hates me or everyone, I just wanna know if she hates the world without question, or if just no one is listening. Still, it's an online talkback forum, so chances are... just crazy.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Ah, see so there

    by ebanks1

    A rational and well-structured response. An impasse, I suppose, as I don't feel that the books have the strength to permanently brand how its readers define gender roles. But as far as I can see, there's no measure to tell whether these books directly affect that cultural mindset or not, until the culture itself changes and the stories start to reflect it.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Genderbender- Eowyn

    by Nachokoolaid

    Eowyn is one of the strongest female characters in fantasy literature. She's a strong woman who is brave, courageous, and selfless. Sure, you may have some valid points about Tolkien's lack of strong female characters, but to say that Eowyn is proof of that completely invalidates your points.

  • Nov. 5, 2011, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by AssyMuffJizz

    You're kind of right about gay men openly hating women. I don't know how many gay guys I've known who get sick at the very thought of vaginas and cant stand to hear the inane, endless dronings of a certain type of yappy woman. We usually like and admire outrageous, outspoken bitches like you though. Don't sell your gay brothers short.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    These blogs are outstanding

    by NoHubris

    PJ restores the wonderment of movies and movie making.

  • Nov. 6, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST

    "They've got a cave troll"

    by Cosmik

    named genderbender

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST

    MORE MORE MORE!!! Love these! Thanks PJ and the hobbit BTS crew!!!!

    by silentbobafett2

  • Nov. 7, 2011, 1 p.m. CST


    by ao33

    I really don't understand your intentions here. It seems like you're trying to create the illusion that you want change but you're commenting on something that was created 70 years ago. Is there a possible outcome in this scenario that will appeal to you? It's just a story about a group of people who go somewhere and do something. They laugh, they cry, the eagles land. Should Gloin have been Gloina? Should Kili and Fili have been... well Kili and Fili? (I though they were female for awhile). Why can't it just be a story. Why does there have to be all this subtext and hidden meaning? Should every story have a strong female lead? Should she be white, black or Asian? Choose carefully because for each right choice you're pissing two groups of people off. No wait. One group of people. It's ok to be racist as long as its against white people. And it's ok to be sexist as long as its directed towards men. You come here and you classify and degrade us from your high horse with crazy extremist views designed to illicit a response that'll let you say "I TOLD YA SO" and we're the ones with a problem? If I got into a discussion on a forum for the new hip woman movie of the month and cried foul because of the lack of non-sterotypical male roles (they have the abusive husband, the geeky best friend who doesn't have a chance and the superman who does everything wrong but learns the error of his ways and makes a big change before the credits. Yep, that's all of us) am I making a solid point or AM I being sexist because i'm not celebrating the strong female lead? You beg for equality but use as many double-standards as you can while you pat yourself on the back for fighting for the cause. I mean fuck... get over it or do something constructive. Throwing rocks at a hornets nest while writing about how unfair it is that you got stung is a little silly. Childish even.