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Bond 23 Is Now... (Now With Logo and Press Conference Video!)
Nordling here.
BOND 23 is BOND 23 no longer. The Sam Mendes-helmed, Daniel Craig, Javier Bardem, Ralph Fiennes, Albert Finney, Naomie Harris, Judi Dench (that cast gets more impressive every day) Bond film will be titled SKYFALL. Says Mendes, "SKYFALL is its own story. It doesn't connect with the first two films."
Although I felt QUANTUM OF SOLACE was a weak entry into the Bond series, I like where it left Bond at the end, and getting blasphemous here, but Daniel Craig's my favorite Bond. Yeah, even over Connery. He brings something primal and razor-sharp to Bond, and out of all the actors who have played the role, I think he may be the closest to what Ian Fleming intended. The offical synopsis of the plot reads, "Bond’s loyalty to M is tested as her past comes back to her. As MI6 comes under attack, 007 must track down and destroy the threat, no matter how personal the cost." Hope SKYFALL delivers!
And here's video of today's press conference, thanks to Absolute Radio:
Nordling, out.
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Nov 03, 2011 8:47:51 AM CDT
That title is instant fail. Sounds too much like Skyline.
by bobo_vision
And also sounds too ambiguous, like a new airline.....fly the friendly skies....on Skyfall. Shitty title, bro.
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And QofS has some of the worst, ADD emotionless action editing I've ever seen.
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yeah , hes my fave
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Nov 03, 2011 8:50:00 AM CDT
Anyone else nervous that it's a 'stand-alone' in the series...?
by judge briggs
I want to see the mythology continued. There was nothing wrong with it!
When I hear 'stand-alone' in a series, I automatically think of the failure of the 'X-Files' stand alone flick.
Hope I am wrong!
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With the other movies? Weird... how could that be? I understand advancing the story and not focusing on the past, but this sounds like a different continuity or something... strange
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As for Craig as the best Bond: He is not there yet. Connery still has the crown, but if Craig has a few more excellent performances, he will surpass him. I recall reading that Connery is a fan of Daniel Craig. As for the closest to the Fleming Bond, he is probably tied with Timothy Dalton. Craig is a bruiser, very little elegance to his portrayal. I am hoping this changes as the character moves past the origin story, but I am doubtful.
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YES! The best Bond films have all had two words mushed together as one, right? Goldfinger (AWESOME), GoldenEye (fantastic), Thunderball (ok, not bad), Octopussy... (well, ok, not great) Moonraker (honestly, this one kinda sucked)... ah fuck it.
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YES! The best Bond films have all had two words mushed together as one, right? Goldfinger (AWESOME), GoldenEye (fantastic), Thunderball (ok, not bad), Octopussy... (well, ok, not great) Moonraker (honestly, this one kinda sucked)... ah fuck it.
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SKYFALL... the bobo has it.
Mostly it makes me think of SKYRIM, though. I don't think it's insurmountable, just a bit obtuse for a Bond film. It's not as weird and provocative as GOLDENEYE, OCTOPUSSY -- but I'm sure it will grow on me. I'm just happy to get another Bond film at this point. -
More like SKYFAIL...
Actually it will probably be f'ing brilliant. Is this also the shortest Bond title yet?
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casino was a mindblowing film as far as bond goes, qauntum was a disgracefull rushed film,i just didnt care what happened in that film . THIS NEEDS TO WORK.
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It sounds like a ride at Cedar Point for crying out loud.
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wtf?
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Nov 03, 2011 9:08:47 AM CDT
Dalton will always be Bond to me, Craig a worthy succcessor. LICENSE TO KILL is an undiscovered gem.
by smokiegeezer
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Nov 03, 2011 9:09:00 AM CDT
Anyone who thinks that Craig is the best Bond is not a James Bond fan
by stabby
Go and do your homework: read all of Ian Fleming's Bond novels and short stories and then re-watch every Bond film and then come talk to me.
'Cause, you don't know shit if you think Craig is the best Bond. -
..that really loved Quantum of Solace...?
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I hope they're not paving over a shoddy script with A-List talent...
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I think the interpretation of each Bond depends on the time period. Connery was a cold war spy. Cool/slick. Craig is a terrorist spy. Hard/violent.
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behind Quantum of Solace.
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For Your Eyes Only is a good Moore Bond film. But yes, The Spy Who Loved Me was the Moore era peak.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:15:38 AM CDT
hatedperson, there's also nudity in The Man With the Golden Gun
by stabby
You can clearly see Chew Mee's nipples under the pool's water.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:15:41 AM CDT
At least they've gotten Stuart Baird back in the editing back for this one
by nasty in the pasty
And Roger Deakins as the DP. This ought to look a LOT better than Something Of Boris.
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Maybe behind Connery but even though they weren't the best movies (GoldenEye was but Die Another Day wasn't), Brosnan knew that he had to have fun while gunning people down, straitening his tie and downing vodka at the same time.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:17:00 AM CDT
Would Love to see Clive Owen tackle Bond or Michael Fassbender as 007..
by cookylamoo
There are a lot of scenes with Craig where you can see how short he is.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:17:31 AM CDT
ugh, the plot sounds like TWINE part II - "Bond's loyalty to M is tested to the full as her past comes back to haunt her. As M16 comes under attack, 007 must track down and destroy the threat, no matter how personal the cost."
by cartmanez.
another Dench heavy M film
interest = severly damaged...
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And I liked Craig in CR, but he's too much thug and not enough suave. Part of the Bond appeal was always seeing him matched against bigger foes he had to outwit to survive.
Anyway, glad they're ditching Quantum. Villains controlling water was just about the lamest possible plot anyone's ever heard of.
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That says a lot. Daniel Craig is not bad, but his flicks are just new entries in the Jason Bourne /Mission Impossible genre.
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Live and Let Die, For Your Eyes Only, and The Spy Who Loved Me were all excellent movies. People love to rag on Moore because his worst films are really really awful, but don't take away from his good ones. Sheesh. That's like saying Goldeneye now sucks just because Brosnan went and made Die Another Day.
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I laugh at anyone who was stumped by the title... duh...
Craig is good, CR is better than the last two Connery flicks, but his performance still has a way to go and I hope he makes at least 4 more Bonds.
Bardem is a great choice for a baddie and everyone seems solid, Mendes I worry about since he's done nothing but lame turgid dramas no one cares about.
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License To Kill is great but are you stating that because you know it's common knowledge that The Living Daylights is one of the best bond films ever or do you prefer LTK?
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Nov 03, 2011 9:20:32 AM CDT
Is no one else disturbed by the fact that they are apparently abandoning the Quantum storyline
by stabby
Or is Nordling just full of shit as usual?
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FIXED.
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With the exception of the last 2, every single film in the franchise is a standalone.
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Craigs test for the dramatics is done, now can he do light humor and be a suave Mofo like Moore? He's charming, but hardly suave.
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Is an idiot.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:22:55 AM CDT
How many films in the series have actually been based off any of the original books?
by theseeker7
anyone know?
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WHICH ONE?!?!?!?!?!
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its a tried and tested formula...it failed
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Chop, you're right FOR YOUR EYES ONLY was the most forgettable of all Moore's Bond movies.
The only thing I recall about it was that Bond used a shoe lace to make a little climbing loop to shimmy up a rope. My brain filed that info away in case I ever need to use it.
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I'm talking about the David Niven, Peter Sellers underrated masterpiece of course.
Just kidding.
Craig and Casino Royal made me feel like I felt as a kid watching the Connery Bonds for the first time.
But, alas, it was a false dawn. QoS sucked! And Craig's one note portrayal is beginning to bore me. -
Stop obsessing over it, grow a memory; for a franchise that used and got away with a title called, OCTOPUSSY! I think SKYFALL will work just fine.
Love my Rog, he's my boy....my favorite Bond...
Roger Moore's best
FYEO
TSWLM
LELD
MR (love this hunk of cheese!)
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Same as Connery!
FRWL
GF
YOLT
TB
DAF (I used to hate this one, but his performance is so damn charming and funny. Plus the elevator fight is brutal for such a light weight movie). -
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wish they'd kept with the books like Casino Royale
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I really do. He was all kinds of awesome in "Defiance", for example. But he's not Bond. Sorry.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:29:00 AM CDT
For Your Eyes Only had the greatest movie poster of all time, however
by stabby
And I don't mean just Bond films.
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Some Greek broad and a 14 year old ice skater who wanted to fuck Moore.
It's been a while but the bad guy's main goal was to hide in a fortress that people would have to climb a mountain to get to. -
I didn't think so.
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It seems like they are blaming the story arc concept instead of the way Quantum was constructed?
They've set up a wonderful mythology and hints of an organization worthy of a modern intelligence agency ... that sort of thing isn't easy to set up. It is a lot harder for a supervillain to exist in the modern world where intelligence agencies have easy access to *so* much information - communication, finances, imagry, everything. -
"Whatever it is it's weird and pissed off."
These are all Bond quotes if you know where to look. -
Nov 03, 2011 9:32:05 AM CDT
mugato5150 - Brosnan was pretty much a combination of Connery and Moore - and so were the movies he did - like "greatest hits" compilations
by cartmanez.
out of Brosnans 4 -Id put TND just before GE...then TWINE and DAD last
TND opening sequence was the best Brosnan opening (better than GEs bungey jump) - the way he just suddenly switches and goes all Bryan Mills when he realises the shits about to hit the fan
-the end song Surrender - one of the best and certainly the best song of the Brosnan era
-Stamper - a worthy henchman
-all the John Woo style action
-Awesome David Arnold score
-Remote control BMW
-Walther P99 intro (good to have a change from the outdated PPK - which was also in the movie)
-nice references to previous Bonds (TMWTGG island, TSWLM style stealth ship and climax, water scenes, satallite scenes, Commander uniform)
-Brosnan looked his best in TND - and is at his most bad ass out of his 4 films (killing Kaufman, taking out everyone in the intro, taking out about 5 guys in the sound booth, the TND hotel neat vodka scene = pure Fleming )
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From a deleted scene of Diamonds Are Forever.
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It smacks of the tongue in cheek sexually suggestive humor Fleming was fond of.
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Deal with it bitches!
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Say what you want about the rest of the film but Die Another Day's opening is imo the best of the Brosnan Bond films. Talk about realizing the shit is going to hit the fan: when he realizes they know who he is and he sets off the bomb and then we get a hovercraft chase over a mine field, then during the song(which I kind of like) we see Bond getting tortured. And he has a beard.
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my heart is still with CASINO ROYALE (1967)
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Nov 03, 2011 9:40:30 AM CDT
If Diablo Cody was a chaste Mormon housewife...
by has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet
...She'd be Stephanie Meyer. They are both equally bad writers. What does this have to do with Bond? Nuthin'!
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Nov 03, 2011 9:41:53 AM CDT
Chppah - Be sure to bring penicillin, lots and lots of penicillin!
by has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet
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Nov 03, 2011 9:42:30 AM CDT
they really need to give a previous Bond a cameo in this one
by cartmanez.
fuck it just do it - Connery wouldnt obviously, Moores too old so its either got to be Dalton or Brosnan - just a few seconds or even a blink and you'll miss it thing so we know "James Bond" is a code name
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Nov 03, 2011 9:45:13 AM CDT
phifty2 - yeah the first hour of DAD isnt too bad...until the ice palace
by cartmanez.
or maybe when Catwoman does that CGI jump
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Quantum of Solace was the only James Bond movie in the entire series to pick up where the previous entry left off (save for the brief mention in From Russia with Love of "SPECTRE agent Dr. No"). The *norm* for the Bond pictures is stand-alone stories. Even in the 1960s, there wasn't any real SPECTRE storyline; the organization was even mentioned in Goldfinger. And the so-called Blofeld Trilogy was screwed up due to filming the novels out of sequence. So people should quit whining about how Skyfall "isn't going to continue the "Quantum storyline." Casino Royale and QOS were the story about how James Bond became 007 and then regained his identity as a man named James Bond. That story is over; time to move on to individual adventures. (And I wouldn't count the QUANTUM organization completely out just yet...)
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Thumper and Bambi
Just part of the reason DaF is my favorite guilty pleasure Bond film.
And Jill St. John is one of the hottest Bond Girls!Fact!!!
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Fits in well with Thunderball, Moonraker, Goldfinger, Octopussy, and Goldeneye. Also, LOL at people who can't understand the concept of a standalone Bond movie. Since only like 50% of the movies have been completely standalone, and CR/QoS is the only actual sequel in the whole franchise.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:47:18 AM CDT
maybe it'll be another DAD style Homage heavy Bond what with it being the 50th anniversary
by cartmanez.
maybe Craig will strangle a woman with her bikini top or somethin
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Struggles to achieve the duality of suave and badass. Connery, Keaton and Bale were believable as both. Moore, Pierce and Clooney were poofs, but they were smooth. Craig, Dalton and Kilmer are tough, but they are too much in the hood vein. Clooney and Kilmer are plenty versitile in other roles, but it didn't shine through in these two series.
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Connery did a fair share but Moore went slap bitch crazy in Golden Gun
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Has Woody Allen in the funniest firing squad joke ever.
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The Vesper storyline is obviously finished, but the idea of Quantum as the supervillain organisation manipulating global markets and organising coups was fun. It'd be a shame to lose that.
And I don't care what anyone says, I enjoyed QoS a hell of a lot. Maybe not a great Bond film, but as its own thing it was awesome. And it was stylish as fuck - including the theme. -
Have read every book, seen every movie countless times. None of the bonds have ever been a dead on for what flemming described. So what? I suppose from russia with love connery would be the closest. Again, so what. A movie is its own entity and owes nothing to the book on which its based. But hey what do I know you stuffy asshole.
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It will become self aware on 11/9/2011 at 12:01AM
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I just thought that they were going in a different direction with this reboot.
Personally, I could care less about the Quantum storyline, but I kind of liked the idea of a continuing storyline. Something different.
That said, the fact that they are departing from the miserable failure of Solace is a good thing.
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Nov 03, 2011 9:54:18 AM CDT
Something no one's brought up yet: will Sheriff J.W. Pepper be in SKYFALL?
by thedork
I mean, Clifton James is 90, still with us. How would you like THAT, Bond fans? Hmmm?
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Other than the opening silhouettes, there are a couple of quick nude shots in bond films. FRWL comes very close during the scene where bond is being filmed in bed; DAF Connery rips the top off the girl and chokes her in the opening, and you can see some nip; FYEO during the scene where Moore is having drinks with the countess. She says, "Me nighty is slipping." Yes, it does.
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At least we agree that From Russia with Love Connery is the closest to Fleming's Bond.
I liked Craig, a lot in CR. He reminded me of the raw brutality and killer instinct Connery gave to Bond in his early films. Of course, Craig is somewhat lacking in the charm department and Fleming's Bond was very much a lady's man as well as being a ruthless blunt instrument. -
Craigs 44 so for Bond 24 (which will prob be 2015) he would be 47. by then he'll have done a trilogy and will have been Bond for nearly a decade, hes like a 'proper' actor and maybe wants to get stuck into other stuff
Fassbender will be 38 by then (around same age Craig was for CR) the perfect age for bond.
2015 feels like the right time to relaunch Bond again...10 years near enough after CR
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That would imply craig has actual acting ability which he has none.........oh you mean when he purses his lips together and gives off his serious face. Yeah that. Ugh.
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Nov 03, 2011 10:03:38 AM CDT
The bad guy in FYEO was the dude 007 kicked over the cliff....
by zodnotgod
I forget his name...the dude with the glasses...
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Nov 03, 2011 10:04:46 AM CDT
Something no one's brought up yet: will Sheriff J.W. Pepper be in SKYFALL?
by zodnotgod
LOVE IT!
"LITTLE BROWN WATER HOGS!" -
I just care about what I see on screen. I love Connery, but Craig's raw steely emotionless Bond is an intriguing take on James Bond. I don't really want another guy spewing shit one liners that are supposed to be suave and charming. I like Craig, fuck everyone who says "He's not like da one in da book!" Who gives a fuck?!!!
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Nov 03, 2011 10:07:25 AM CDT
"will Sheriff J.W. Pepper be in SKYFALL? " - er yes...who do you think Al Finney will be playing?
by cartmanez.
or maybe BRIAN COX
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Nov 03, 2011 10:07:29 AM CDT
I've read some of the books, seen the movies a zillion times....
by zodnotgod
NONE of them were dead-on accurate, but that's mostly good as the books are fairly light weight, not a lot of plot sometimes and way too much "food porn."
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I believe its from Moonraker....?
"Forgive me father for I have sinned."
"THAT'S putting it mildly, 007!" -
He is the most like the Bond in Fleming's books. Cruel, no quips and one-liners, no kooky gadgets. If you're in his way, he shoots you in the face and keeps moving. Connery played a great movie character, but Craig most closely embodies James Bond.
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a rogue Quantum scientist who has discovered a method for changing the oxygen in the air into pudding.
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Yeah in DAF when he takes that broads bikini top and chokes her with it "Where is he."
Awesome.
Also, "Who is your floor." and the ensuing fight. -
he gives a simple "See you later."
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"I thought Christmas came only once a year..."
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He didn't need to be the toughest guy to command respect in that film and seem cool. The guy just has charisma.
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.. since it's the last actual Fleming short story title not yet used for a Bond film. Though, the phrase was used as a throw-away line in OCTOPUSSY.
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I don't think Lazenby ever slapped a bitch but if he had it would have taken her head right off.
That guy threw the biggest uppercut ever. Check out Lazenby's fight scenes. Right arm wound all the way back and then pow right up in the air.
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I also have a soft spot for that no-name extra in LIVING DAYLIGHTS.
The bad guy breaks into the Manor house dressed as a milkman and then this random extra sees him and decides to take him on.
Normally this would mean an instant death for the extra. I mean, come on, only Bond can take on the bad guys and live.
But fuck man, random extra really does get his 15 minutes of fame. Gives milkman guy a bloody good fight all around the kitchen.
Of course it all ends in tears when random extra gets his face pressed onto the burning hot griddle but still... I salute that barbecued bastard. -
That's what the producers thought as well as they chose Craig based on his perfomance in Layer Cake. BTW, Layer Cake is a great movie and an even better book. However, when I read the book I do not picture Craig as XXXX. I picture a 29 year old kid which is how it should be but whatever, he was good in the role.
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Nov 03, 2011 10:23:14 AM CDT
Saying Craig is your favorite Bond is the kweel thing to say nowadays
by ditko
Kinda sad, really.
He´s alright, but he´s no Connery. Hell, he´s not even Moore. -
Cool! You can see that kitchen fight right here on YouTube... Random extra makes his appearance at 1.20m mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx12uiwQ4aU
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It's a silly arguement as to who is the best Bond. Craig is terrific as the Bond that accurately reflects the graceless post 9/11 era, and Connery was great reflecting the cold-war, hard-line 60's when Britian felt it was the spymaster of the West. George Lazenby's IHMSS best portrayed the vunerability and fear of England (and the rest of Europe) without all the swagger, and Moore has the silliness of the 70's all over him. There was still danger and risk, but he and the movies were generally more campy than Connery. The other Bonds sucked, if only because the movies became more like video games than spy movies. The chase through St. Petersburg still rocked, however. Craig would not have worked in Dr. No, but would Connery worked in QoS? Maybe.
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Tommy wiseau has more charisma and acting range than daniel craig.
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I am the stuffy asshole by the way. Literally. Am grumbling through a rotten cold and got pissy in my post. You clearly know bond.
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I like Craig alright, but Clive Owen was born for the role.
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Nov 03, 2011 10:44:19 AM CDT
A BRIEF LARRY THE CABLE GUY AS SHERIFF J.W. PEPPER WOULD BE A WTF CAMEO. I THINK I'D ACTUALLY LOVE IT.
by darth busey
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Nov 03, 2011 10:46:11 AM CDT
JEFFREY WRIGHT IS A PRETTY DOPE FELIX LEITER. NO ARGUMENT THERE, BROTHER.
by darth busey
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Nothing better than Daniel Craig sleighing quantum agents. Skyfall is as bond a title as I have ever heard. It is epic as fuck. The very sky will fall if bond doesn't prevent it. This should be fucking fantastic.
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As long as the movie is good.
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I don't give a rat's ass if Craig exemplifies the literary Bond. This is the movie Bond, a totally different animal. Craig is missing key elements to the movie Bond. Wit, charm, and a hint of fun. A Glint in the eye. Cold killing machines are... cold.
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I do have a couple of issues with him. Other than the fact he's little old to be playing Bond in what was supposed to reboot. I don't think he quite has the suave and charm that previous Bonds have and I realize that he's supposed to be a new kind of Bond. I just fear they're trying to turn 007 into a Jason Bourne clone which is a mistake. I don't mind Bond being a serious character but one of the things that has helped his character endure through generations is his charm and wit and I found Craig's take on Bond too brooding and depressing in the last film. I don't want Bond to be all sad and moody walking in the snow at the end of an adventure. I want him to be in the act of scoring with his Bond girl, have him say some absurd sexual innuendo which then ques the soundtrack and closing credits.
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Makes as much sense as "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (What?) Imbeciles must be running those studios. And imbeciles is what they breed.
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Nov 03, 2011 10:50:18 AM CDT
Connery's toupee falling of in Dr. No ripped me out of it from the get go.
by ultratron
I just could never buy a bald guy with a toupee doing action and acting all suave and shit. Really funny actually.
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How badass would that be.
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Nov 03, 2011 10:53:32 AM CDT
ditko: I remember some folks saying pierce was their favorite bond
by ultratron
when goldeneye came out.
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I do like Daniel Craig, but I feel so far his take has been somewhat one-dimensional. In Casino Royale, when he had to be tender and show some emotion, it felt very forced. When he's at his best (so far) is when he's being the badass.
As shitty as most of the Pierce Brosnan Bond movies were, they were made bearable because of him. I think GoldenEye is one of the best Bond movies ever, and the only one Brosnan did that really showcased his range with the character. His ability to effortlessly switch from charming and debonair to a physical, tough-as-nails badass was remarkable and of all the actors who have played Bond, I think he really did it best. I think he was born to play that role and it's a damn shame he never got to finish off his stint with a really good Bond movie, like Casino Royale
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That's alright. I can be a little bit fascistic about Connery being the best Bond. That doesn't mean that others aren't entitled to their opinions. Just that I think they're wrong if they disagree. That also doesn't mean that I don't enjoy all the other iterations of Bond. I think Lazenby did a great job in OHMSS. And the Moore films were the ones I grew up watching in the theater. And I loved the cool cars, crazy gadgets and silly villains in those movies.
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Craig can have a role: unnamed enforcer thug for M who gets killed on page 17.
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There is a brief glimpse of a woman's bare behind in Octopussy. That is the only actual bit of real nudity I can think of in any Bond movie.
For Your Eyes Only is memorable for a couple of reasons. Not for its villain or for its leading lady, but for Bond kicking that car off the cliff and for Bond visiting Tracy's grave. Aside from OHMSS that is the only reference to Tracy in the Bond films. -
Too many of the recent Bond films have started well and ended badly. Tomorrow Never Dies was amazing until they left Hamburg, Die Another Day was fine until Iceland and Casino Royale really started to drag after the airport scene. Hopefully they can sort this out and give us a decent end fight.
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..he was (and still is) perfect for the role. Tough as nails but suave and handsome. I really like Craig as an actor. Recently he was great in Cowboys and Aliens. But I just don't think he fits the Bond character at all. Nor do I like the whole reboot concept. QoS was awful. Couldn't even get through it. My favorite Bond is still, without question, Connery. I would place Brosnan next in line.
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And Timothy Dalton wasn't a bad Bond, he had the worst scripts.
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That wouldn't be Daniel Craig; that would indeed be David Niven, who was Ian Fleming's personal choice for the role. The studio overrode Fleming and cast Connery in the role.
To me, Connery remains the definitive Bond, if for no other reason than that when people compare Bonds, he's the one they always measure him against. Whether the Bond in question is "better" or "worse" than Connery remains a matter of subjective opinion (and is probably also impacted by the age of the opinion holder when he first encountered the character). But the fact that Connery is the gold standard against which all others are measured speaks volumes.
The whole thing about Bond is that you have to be convinced that he would be equally at ease killing someone or romancing a woman. That, to some degree, it wouldn't matter to him one way or the other if he's going to put a bullet in a man's brain or his tongue in a woman's mouth.
Connery could do that. Moore, I believed the romancer. Dalton, I believed the assassin. Lazenby was just kinda "eh." Pierce Brosnan was the first Bond since Connery who brought back the blend of killer and romancer. Plus Brosnan looks better in a tuxedo than quite possibly any other man on the planet. The problem is that Brosnan was undercut by the quality of the scripts.
Craig, I think, does a terrific job, and he was aided by "Casino Royale" being quite possibly the best script for a Bond film in decades, maybe ever.
But years from now, when Michael Fassbender (or whomever) is playing the role, people will still be comparing him to Connery.
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Runner up David Hedeson.
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What perfect casting that would be.
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Nov 03, 2011 11:13:12 AM CDT
@ Choppah and others...Hold up...don't be dogging FYEO now...
by movienut401
The plot, for the uninitiated/uninformed...after a British spy boat is sunk by a naval mine, Bond must retrieve a computer device called the ATAC, which the British Navy uses to coordinate their subs. The fear is that if the Soviets get their hands on it, they can use it to trick the British sub computers into launching their POLARIS missiles. A Greek informant named Kristatos (played by Julian Glover, aka General Veers & Walter Donovan) is secretly working for the KGB to retrieve the ATAC. Bond finds himself in a race to get the device before Kristatos can make the delivery.
Anyone who says this one sucks needs to give it a second look. It had a lot less camp than some of the other Moore entries (remember Bond's cold dispatch of Locque?), echoes of OHMSS (Bond visits Tracey's grave at the beginning), and some great action work; the keelhauling scene comes to mind. Alas, no Bernard Lee as he had passed before filming.
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This smells like it could be financial in much the same way as when Broccoli fought Kevin McClory (who used to visit me at the Tower Video in DC years ago) over the rights to Blofeld and Spectre. They didn't want to pay McClory so they jettisoned the characters. Might the current producers be doing the same thing with Quantum?
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it was not SO bad that you write off the whole fucking series. Also, it was more the second half of CR than a standalone movie. Think of those two as one long arc and you realize how good QoS was.
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I'm cool with the title. As for Craig...jury's still out. He was great in Casino Royale, but that and Quantum had a Bond who was just starting out in MI6...not quite seasoned yet. I want to see Craig play Bond as a double-0 agent with a few more notches on his Walther gunbarrel, if you take my meaning.
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Don't we have enough of those? I would like these Bond films to have a continuing story line or at least a hint of them being chronologically linked with references to past events etc.
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Nov 03, 2011 11:16:47 AM CDT
For Joe Don Baker to be the best Leiter, he would have actually had to play Leiter
by skywalter
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Bond in space again
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Nov 03, 2011 11:22:47 AM CDT
My favorite Bond is Connery but the best Bond is Craig. Dalton is also superb as 007. The rest? Eh, they're okay..
by karl hungus
Connery's best: Goldfinger (runner-up: From Russia With Love)
Moore's best: For Your Eyes Only (runner-up The Spy Who Loved Me)
Dalton's best: The Living Daylights
Brosnan's best: Goldeneye
Craig's best (so far): Casino Royale
And even though Lazenby only made one Bond film and wasn't particularly great in the role, On Her Majesty's Secret Service is one of the top three or four Bond films of all-time. -
A ciascuno il suo.
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With you all the way on the extra in TLD kitchen fight. That fight was brutal and that guy stood his ground and gave blondie somewhat of an ass whooping. That guy gave the best fight in a Bond movie that didn't involve Bond.
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...and video game. Now. Seriously, I thought I was the only one who idolized this dude. The action figure comes with lapel communicator, bowl of salt, electric carver, frying pan and alternate grill face head.
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Has he done an animated character? Micheal Douglas missed his chance as a Disney villain for sure. Glad Peter Otoole got one in there
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Nov 03, 2011 11:35:33 AM CDT
AWEFALL - starring Javier Barden as Chicken Licken, with Judi Dench as Miss Henny Penny
by siouxcitysarsaparilla
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Nov 03, 2011 11:36:07 AM CDT
Yeah but milkman was strapping. I remember thinking he would
by ultratron
kick Dalton's ass. Daniel Craig can fight milkman toe to toe
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Milkman
Milkman 2: More Milk
Milkman 3: Milk IT!
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Nov 03, 2011 11:40:18 AM CDT
Sounds like the NY Times bestseller of the week from David Baldacci
by openthepodbaydoorshal
Waiting for the scene where Bond throws the plate of warm cavier against the wall, and then smokes a fat one with Q in the garage.
I think the producers are forgetting that this is not Le Carre they're adapting, and thats the problem I had with QoS. I don't recall there being any sense of fun at all, not for even a second. -
Melina Havelock and her crossbow is the hottest Bond girl of all, Topol is a great not-actually-the-bad-guy, Julian Glover as the actual bad guy, Moore's only moment of badassery in his entire run (kicking the car), finishing off Blofeld (which destroys the stupid "Bond is a code name" theory), dragging behind the boat (taken from the novel of Live and Let Die, BTW), bomb on the back of the diving suit, Bond destroying the McGuffin rather than let Russia get it.
You only don't remember the plot because it didn't involve blowing up the world, and you don't remember the villain because he didn't have three nipples or a pegleg. -
...do get little rediculous. I think it was DAF where the gangster has a train in the desert and he holds Bond hostage and then Bond and the girl escape and have to outrun the train on a mine cart or something.
Anyway, the books are good and brutal (and as someone else said full of food porn - the girl has to make some dish for him, I forget) but they could get rediculous. -
that made my day.
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First came Dr No, who was a SPECTRE agent. Then From Russia With Love, in which they explicitly state they want Bond as revenge for killing Dr No. Then Goldfinger, which was standalone (might have made reference to SPECTRE, I forget). Then Thunderball -- SPECTRE. Then You Only Live Twice, where he finally meets Blofeld. OHMSS -- SPECTRE again. Diamonds Are Forever -- starts out with seeking revenge on Blofeld for OHMSS, then gets stupid but still involves SPECTRE.
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Like Clinton, Brosnan tried to straddle the middle and appease everyone and was more concerned about his legacy.
FEYO only was definitely Moore's best Bond film.
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TMWTGG & TSWLM are stand alones...
FYEO makes the veiled reference to Blofeld and Bond's dead wife Tracy.
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I'm surprised it got through the censors and MPAA...no way would a title like that ever again make it into a mainstream American movie
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Nov 03, 2011 12:00:15 PM CDT
Right, I said there was only one standalone BEFORE Moore. However....
by bah
Sheriff Pepper puts Live and Let Die before Golden Gun. And Jaws puts TSWLM before Moonraker. Other than that, I think there's no continuity. General Goggol might provide some, but I don't think he's developed in any way over the films.
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And no it doesn't destroy the theory that Bond is a code name. He's not the same guy....
Blofeld is going to go after "Bond" no matter what he looks like, at that point he'd go after what he represents to send a message... -
You know what I meant.
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An attempt to get back to basics, eschewing the cartoony over the top self parody that Moore's Bond films had become with their endless gadgets and ridiculous cartoon villains. (Hello, Jaws!)
There's even a meta scene where a group of bad guys are surrounding Bond's Lotus Esprit. There is a warning on the window that says the car will self destruct if tampered with. One of the thugs smashes the window anyway and the car does indeed blow up. -
I have always lived with being ostracised by bond fans (and everyone else) however since I fucking love Moore and I don't care who knows it.
Enjoying seeing all the Green 4 love, I really like TLD, cant stand LTK despite mottled face man legend Rober Davi being in it. -
Nov 03, 2011 12:10:20 PM CDT
On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the best Bond score---ever!
by zodnotgod
And to this date, still the best. The assault on Piz Gloria....awesome!
The worst?
TMWTGG
OHMSS is an excellent movie. I think Lazenby is great and wonder how different Diamonds Are Forever would have been had Connery not signed on...Imagine had George stuck it out and was a success...his last film could have concieveably been FYEO!
Lazenby could have then retired and would have still been a youngster at 43. A year younger than Moore when he STARTED!
Even more strange is if he had not grown tired in the role and continued into the 80's and went all the way to License to Kill...which would have had him 20 years in the role! (Highly unlikely) and a mere 50 years old when he retires...odd...
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phifty2, the action figure comes with *alternate grill face head*
Ha! Random extra fought a good fight but the dude ended up with his face medium rare. -
I'm there. It doesn't need to connect with the same terror network as the last two films, if they can demonstrate that emotionally, Bond is beginning to allow himself to have fun, so let him have a drink, allow himself some pretensions, get over Vesper, fuck a black chick or two, and just relax.
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Right! forgot about the Sheriff and JAWS. General Gogol was in FYEO right? If so he would be in TLD with Dalton.
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ALL part of the character's narrative/backstory. M and Moneypenny are changed, Judi Dench has played with two different Bonds it makes sense. In order to keep the enemies from recognizing him, they change him out every decade. Whoever adopts the name Bond takes on his entire narrative, including his dead wife. Who's to say in another life, Moore knew Lazenby and knew how much he loved her, however briefly and it destroyed him, he places flowers there as respect and to smoke out any hitman that might be following him, who only know HE's BOND at the moment.... just a thought, what say you?
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Nov 03, 2011 12:16:46 PM CDT
Can someone please explain the"...does not exist in this dojo." thing people say on occasion?
by ewr3378
I hate to sound ignorant, but I don't get the reference. Thanks!
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judge dredds dirty undies, I love Moore as Bond too. The way he did those effete karate chops that could take down a guy the size of a bouncer. The way he always had a quip and a rasied eyebrow for the ladies. I love all that stuff. Maybe because they tried to shy away from those sillier aspects in FYEO that it ended up as his least memorable movie?
But you know even a lesser Bond movie is still well worth watching. -
Bond throws the ATAC off the cliff when he arrives in a helicopter. Gogol stops his man from shooting Bond, then laughs and goes home.
He's also in The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, Octopussy, A View to a Kill, and The Living Daylights. -
I mean he's a good looking bloke and he's got that ruggedly handsome/dashing rogue thing going for him. But I just find him a little on the dopey side and always talks like his mouth of full of food or something. Having said that, if he ever became Bond, I'd be o.k with it but I think the closest we'll see him as Bond is the cameo he had on that Pink Panther movie.
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I actually like the title.
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"There's even a meta scene where a group of bad guys are surrounding Bond's Lotus Esprit. There is a warning on the window that says the car will self destruct if tampered with. One of the thugs smashes the window anyway and the car does indeed blow up. "
That;s a great joke, not too broad and leads into one of the best car chases ever.
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If it's going to be a single word, it has to have "gold" in the title.....or "pussy". Because gold and pussy is what it's all about. Now if you can find yourself some golden pussy, that's the shit!
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I don't like the theory in general, but I do see the appeal. I think much of LtK is more powerful if he's the same person -- Leiter mentions he was married once long ago, and the anguish on Bond's face after lighting up the villain is not just for Felix and Della but also for Tracy (via Della). But again, those things can still be justified under the multi-Bond theory.
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The 80's were cooler than way... and it was a title of one of the Fleming short stories and Quantum of Solace was a chapter title in one of the books.
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It's been downhill since Ursula Andress.
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Nov 03, 2011 12:30:21 PM CDT
"M's past comes back to haunt her." Put her in a retirement home.
by kabong
Finney is going to be her ex-boyfriend traitor, I can just smell the crap already.
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Skyflop
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The LOCATIONS. If you have shitty locations, boring locations, then the movie tends to be shitty or boring as well. I loved the locales in "Casino Royale," but not in Q of S. China, Scotland and Turkey sound intriguing. The cast looks fantastic, I'm excited about this!
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Nov 03, 2011 12:34:56 PM CDT
Title song to be performed by (because the Bond producers are always trying to be current)
by openthepodbaydoorshal
Florence + the Machine....mark my words.
Remember Garbage..?
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Nov 03, 2011 12:35:53 PM CDT
Never understood the negativity towards QUANTUM OF SOLACE
by amazing maurice
I has its problems sure - the main bad guy was a fucking joke, the plot was so-so etc...
But it had some great action in it, Daniel Craig kicked fucking ass and it lasted an nice 90mins.
Unlike Casino Royale - while awesome - went on for far too long and had the cheek to have a 4th Act. -
I do like your pick though.
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Stop dissing QOS. The problem with QOS was a shitty director that didn't know how to edit scene. Case in point: every shot of Bond being chased in a new room cut in as Bond left the field of vision. So we only saw the end of each part of the action in each scene. Very troubling.
That being said, QOS trumps Bond movies in these aspects:
1) Opening sequence driving
2) Opening shoot out / Bond hanging from rope.
3) Opening Credits
4) Desert Hotel (this is a classic, classic, iconin Bond element).
5) Theatre Scene / Bond figuring out how to find the members of Quantum was brilliant.
6) Bond is tall, M is short. According to the final scenes, Bond is 8 feet tall, and Judi Dench comes in just under 4'.
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Excellent point! Also Brosnan has a nice bit in TWINE as having loved and lost someone “a long time ago” and gets this look of regret….
A brainwashing tactic perhaps? Let me ask you this, since those movies occured in real time, LTK in 89, Tracy was killed in 69, Dalton/Bond would have been 22...far too young to be 007 agent. Same goes for Brosnan, in 99, his Bond would have been 16 in 1969...
I think of Bond the same as Blofeld, who changed his appearance many times, plastic surgery, doubles, etc...if he can do it, why not 007?
A cut scene (or rumored anyway) in OHMSS Bond is getting plastic surgery to explain away his new appearance. -
M should not be the central figure of a Bond film.
It was terrible in The World Is Not Enough, and it'll be terrible with this movie.
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I hope Wright comes back. He's so damn cool.
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...are the very things that separated Fleming's character from all the other fictional spies at the time: The charm, the class, the sophistication, etc.
His Bond stories may not have relied heavily on gadgets, but they did boast colorful villains, exotic locales, and beautiful women with names that doubled as cheap puns. The plots were also far more over-the-top than what was being written at the time: Stories centered around rocket launches, doctors living in fantastic lairs, and government agents tasked with playing baccarat.
Fleming never intended the character to be a serious look at espionage- or a one-note hero that was simply a killing machine. Those are qualities which are popular in 2011, but they weren't the standard back in the 1950s. (Fleming's Bond didn't even like killing. He certainly would've never gone on the kind of spree portrayed in QOS.)
Above all, James Bond was not written to be interchangeable with characters from writers like John Le Carre, Len Deighton, or Don Hamilton. That's also something exclusive to the 2011 Bond- a character that is now routinely mistaken for spies from rival series. -
I love the idea of Mendes directing Bond, but not connecting with the first two worries me a little. I loved that the Connery films had Blofeld linking them together and I had hoped that the Craig films would have a continuing story with Quantum in the same way.
I always thought it was a shame that Connery and Pleasance didn't do OHMSS with Blofeld killing Bond's new wife and then complete the story in another film with Bon going rogue and taking vengeance on Blofeld. I hope that, in the Craig films, the Quantum story will be picked up later with Bond finding the head of the organisation and some kind of story arc being completed. -
But in a badass way!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I just like the newer ones because they're different. When you have this long of a run for a series of films, it gets old eventually and you need a little reboot. Daniel Craig is that reboot. I guess you like it or you don't.
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I think that's the main reason the codename theory emerged. The theory works for some people, that's fine. It may be silly to look for character development in these movies, but I prefer to think of these being one guy with a past we've seen.
Though clearly Craig is a new incarnation whether you buy into the theory or not. -
It's not like she was shooting and skydiving or anything. She was kidnapped. I thought that was cool. In fact, I liked TWINE a lot, the only real problem being Denise Richards.
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Nov 03, 2011 12:57:23 PM CDT
If there is a maguffin that makes the sky fall, then it makes total sense!
by madhouseman
Depending on the story. If there is a device that makes the sky fall, then it makes total sense
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Nov 03, 2011 12:57:57 PM CDT
creepythin man is just about the most annoying fucktard ever....his use of capitals, like he is yelling at us all, and the most retarded use of "FACT!" ever seen in the history of the world
by rogueleader66
Get a life you stupid fuck. Stop trying to out choppah Choppah...you can't, you never will, it's pointless to try...Choppah can be annoying, but at least he is not an utter waste of carbon like you.
Get out of mommy's house and go discover girls, you will like them a lot more than the internet.
Wait for it....
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If Quantum isn't going to be used in this film, it's likely the producers' way of quietly brushing it under the rug. The problem with Quantum is that the whole concept was handled so poorly.
In the haste to copy The Bourne Ultimatum, the producers forgot to at least make the uber-organization believable. So we suddenly had things like MI6 being infiltrated without any logical explanation. They basically wrote themselves into a corner.
The film was also poorly received, which no doubt makes it harder to justify revisiting the story's ideas four years later. If QOS had been as critically successful as CR, there's no way the producers would've taken a year off afterwards. They'd have gone ahead with their original plan of a trilogy, and we'd currently be talking about Bond 24.
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I know at least a couple of them are Asian women from your previous posts.
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Nov 03, 2011 1:01:25 PM CDT
Craig's Bond is Jack Bauer as shot by Jason Bourne's cinematographer
by stabby
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I do like it that he has this long history, but just not as the same dude or he'd be 89 year olds now.
Actually the code name theory was kinda cemented once Judi Dench stayed on as M, connecting two eras.
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Nov 03, 2011 1:05:10 PM CDT
I think it’s best just not to think about the continuity between Bond films.
by franks_television
Some of them are clearly connected to some of the other ones, like the two most recent of course, but for the most part the Bond franchise is definitely a case of 'It’s just a show, and I should really just relax.' It doesn’t have to make sense that he is about the same age in all of these different decades, or that there are conflicts among the different movies regarding his backstory, etc. Bond is Bond.
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The various Bonds/Leiters/Moneypennies are all from alternate universes created by Quantum (SPECTRE in some realities). Including one where he's a cartoon boy. J J Abrams to write and direct.
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Q is called W in this reality. Which is an upside-down M.
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If Blofeld (played by Ralph Finnes, naturally) simply explains away Quantum as a branch of SPECRE, I'm cool with that. But the dude who drank the motor oil was only a piece of it. I done need me something finished!
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Excellent point! I do hope we Craig evolve more into a suave charmer...get some wit back and drink some expensive drinks and bang everything that moves.
If the course is not altered he will be a clone of Jason Bored which is not a good thing since those flicks suck it hard. -
And he's secretly the head of Quantum! That's why he's not in the Craig movies/reality!
Yes, now we anxiously await the merging of Abrams' Trek and Bond. -
Nov 03, 2011 1:09:06 PM CDT
All QoS needed to fix it was a more compelling villain, well-choreographed non-shakycam action sequences and Bond sleeping with Olga Kurylenko at the end
by stabby
The plot of the consolidation of water was actually pretty inspired.
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- I have been a fan of Bond films since I first saw Goldfinger in the theater when it was originally released, and I have seen every Bond film many times.
- There is a distinction between literary Bond and cinematic Bond, and for me Sean Connery is hands-down the best cinematic Bond. He had the perfect blend of charm, menance and physicality, with just the right hint of humor not to seem silly (except perhaps in DAF, which I enjoyed nevertheless).
- Timothy Dalton seems to me to be the closest to the literary Bond.
- I think Daniel Craig is a fine Bond, and Casino Royale was one of the best Bond films ever. Quantum of Solace was nowhere near as good, but I still liked it, mostly because of Craig. I hope they give him a few more opportunities to exhibit some humor and charm (e.g. in CR whe Vesper commented on his tight little ass and he smirked "You noticed!")
- I thought Brosnan did a good job as Bond, but he was let down by mostly bad scripts.
- Roger Moore was the worst Bond in my opinion, mostly because of the silly humor, and more importantly, his failure to convince me that he was dangerous. Also, he just looked ill at ease with the fighting and other action scenes.
- The title "Skyfall" doesn't really do much for me, but I don't really care as long as the movie is good. I wish they could have found a way to use "Shatterhand" as the title. Maybe they'll use it in the future.
- I wish Jeffrey Wright was returning for Skyfall. I enjoyed his take on Felix Leiter and I was hoping they would give him more to do in the next Bond film.
- Finally, after seeing him in X-Men: First Class, I can totally see Michael Fassbender as Bond. Especially in the scene where he takes out the two German expatriates in Argentina. -
Nov 03, 2011 1:14:54 PM CDT
The real pisser about teh QoS fights is it looked like they WERE nicely choreographed
by bah
You just couldn't see the choreography because of the camera work. I really thought it looked like a lot of neat stuff was going on in the fight near the beginning, but the camera didn't let you see enough of it.
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Remember when they announced that title?! People shat all over it. The title Skyfall doesn't get the juices flowing but we've had worse people.
And I don't understand some of the Mendes hate. With all the truly shitty directors we have out there some think Mendes is in that group as well?! Someone above said "lame turgid dramas which no one cares about"?!! Haha really? No one cares about American Beauty, Road to Perdition, even Away We Go?
Frankly he's one of my favorite directors, I think the guy is brilliant, one of the best with actors (he's constantly pulling career best performances out of various actors) and he has a great fucking visual eye and knows how to build drama.
I personally think this is the highest caliber director the Bond franchise has ever hired. And this cast kicks ass. All signs point to amazing for this chapter. At the very LEAST this will be the best acted Bond hands down. -
Nov 03, 2011 1:16:42 PM CDT
Javier Bardem and Ralph Fiennes too??? Bloody hell!! Wow!
by asimovlives
Best Bond cast ever?
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The memory of that movie is so dim to me, whenever th word sklyline comes, all i think is of the ol' Nissan car.
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Because that was the longest half an hour of my life. JESUS CHRIST that was boring as hell.
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Nov 03, 2011 1:22:24 PM CDT
I might get shit for this, but I wouldn't mind Justin Lin taking a shot at a Bond flick
by stabby
Just saw Fast Five for the first time last night and it impressed the hell out of me. Some of the best action sequences I've ever scene in a film. Regret not catching it on the big screen. Don't know if he'd be able to handle the plot and character stuff, but it would definitely be a balls to the wall badass Bond.
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I agree with you on that Graig needs to posh a little bit more. He already has the cold rityhless efficient thing down brillantly. All he needs now is to show he canlook as confortable dressing a tuxedo as putting a bullet between the eyes of some mook.
And Graig csan pull the element suave spy Bond thing, he showed a lot of promise in CASINO ROYALE in the casino scenes. Just a little bit more finess, that's all.
Grag Bond might be the operation who ca disguise himself as a posh playboy, while the previous bonds were posh suave men who could be operationals.
This is why i like Timothy Dalton as Bond so much, because he had both of those two things quite brillant right from the start. He was as convicning as a suave gentleman and as a cold ruthless killing machine. Not as easy to pull off as many might imagine, i'm sure. -
Nov 03, 2011 1:24:16 PM CDT
Who gives a shit what the title is. I just hope it's a GOOD MOVIE.
by mattman
Quantum was shitty.
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It went all Ed Wood near the end... but without style.
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FAR from it....GL could have had a great run!
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Nov 03, 2011 1:26:52 PM CDT
by stabby: "Anyone who thinks that Craig is the best Bond is not a James Bond fan"
by asimovlives
Now it's my time to call somebody out on a generalization! How fun!
Anybody who has a particular favorite actor who played Bond and doesn't see him included in that remark could say th same thing. and if we really want to get picky, Connery was not that close to Bond as described and presented in the books. Potatoes putatus! -
Nov 03, 2011 1:28:13 PM CDT
I'll always say this about QoS - yes, the editing is questionable,
by openthepodbaydoorshal
but my main issue has always been the fact that the villian, the antagonist, the reason for Bond being on screen, dies off screen and just gets a mention.
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QOS works much better if watched back to back with Casino Royale. If you assume CR is a three parter (1 - The set-up, 2 - The card game, 3 - Vesper's story) then treat QOS as CR part 4. Then it works, but not as a stand-alone. Diamonds Are Forever was supposed to be OHMSS part 2 with the killing of Tracey being the pre-credit scene of DAF, but when it was announced that Lazenby wouldn't be back, the scene was put back as the end of OHMSS and DAF opened with Connery's Bond looking for Blofeld.
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Nov 03, 2011 1:33:16 PM CDT
And those peopel who hated the "Quantum Of Solace" title, do you guys know what i means?
by asimovlives
I have this suspicion that the majot reason why people don't like that tiel is more to do woth confusion of what it means. Maybe many think it's just a word salad title, with little meaning. Or a weird ass reference to the villains, but with little sense to it.
The confusion might even be because how ill understood the common cxolloqual definition of of what the word quantum.
Quantum in science means the smallest measurable amount of energy. Below that, it can't be observed.
Quantum of Solace means the smallest amount of conforting. THe smallest a reference to the solace that might bring to Bond the bring down of the people responsible for Vesper's death and all that betrayal. Basically,it beings little confort and solace, but it brings enough for him to carry on. That's what the movie is about.
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Expect more in fouth Craig movie. They seem to following a Connery-type path here. Dr. NO and FRWL both dealt with SPECTRE as the mysterious organization. Then they went "Stand Alone" with GOLDFINGER in the third film. Then back to SPECTRE with THUNDERBALL.
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His Magneto was kind of Bond-like.
I am watching the video and have already warmed to the title and this cast is fantastic and Daniel Craig is still crazy handsome and YAY! -
But, all us REAL James Bond fans know that Connery is the best Bond.
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I mean, they haven't been the greatest Bond films ever made, but how about at least tying up the story? I already am losing faith in this next film, but disregarding everything that they've already done is bullshit.
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Nov 03, 2011 1:43:16 PM CDT
What genius approved a title that's one letter away from Skyfail?
by royston lodge
Are the guys who come up with these titles not AWARE of the Internet?
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When occasionally griping about how long MGM were taking to sort their shit out, I began to anticipate Craig's return.
I'm now officially eager.
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1962-1985 is one Bond, played by 3 actors.
In Diamonds are Forever, the opening sequence is Bond looking for Blofeld for killing Tracy.
In Spy Who Loved Me, at the bar when they are quoting each other's dossiers, XXX says "Married only once, wife killed..." and Bond interrupts her. Some of the best acting in Moore's career.
In For Your Eyes Only Bond visits Tracy's grave.
1987-2002 is a reboot, with 2 actors as Bond. They just move the timeline up. Dr. No takes place in 1974, this means Vesper is around 1973, and Tracy is around 1978 (?). Thus Felix's line in Licence to Kill about Bond being married, and Brosnon line in The World is Not Enough
The reason Goldeneye opens in 1986 is to establish the this Brosnon event take place before Living Daylights, and it can be implied the training exercise at Gibraltar in TLD is also for the new 006 replacing Alec.
Now I know Gogal is in Living Daylights, but think of him being there like Dame Judy's M is in both Brosnon and Craig..
Bond goes rogue in Licence to Kill, and Q implies M will reinstate him by the end of the movie, but I don't accept that. For me, Bond is just told he will no longer be hunted. He wanders, he meets Paris, hangs with her a few months, then gets a call from M. Bond goes to Russia to help stop the coup (in the real world it was against Gorbechev) in August 1991, and he's then reinstated at MI-6.
Dame Judy's M takes over in 1994, and has Bond take a psych test. This is were in Goldeneye Bond is on the road racing Xenia. Later, Bond mentions where Robert Brown's M kept the booze in the office.
In 2006, we get the third reboot, with Daniel Craig in Casino Royale.
As for Naked Bond Girls, in addition to those already mentioned there is Virgina Hey as General Pushin's mistress in Living Daylights, who is topless to distract the guard when he enters the hotel room.
And then there is Gemma Aterton as Stawberry Fields in QoS, with her bare butt covered in oil.-----later------m -
It is of course a matter of taste, but to me Connery was and is the best Bond. He had all the bad-assitude required for the part along with wit, charm, and class. I've been re-watching the old Connery Bond films on Netflix and it just reminded me of why I have always held firm to my belief that Connery IS Bond.
I know I'll probably get crucified for saying so, but I thought Brosnan was the next best Bond. He had a lot of the same qualities that Connery had, but more than that, I was old enough to appreciate a 007 movie when GoldenEye came out, so he was my introduction to the Bond universe. Connery is the best, but Brosnan was a fitting actor to take up the role, even if Die Another Day was kind of ass. -
It's slightly ironic how much the producers appear to be following the same general strategy they used with Brosnan's sequels.
Much like QOS, Tomorrow Never Dies lacked a finished script and relied on action sequences to pad out the running time. (Ironically, it also featured Bond trying to avenge the death of an ex-lover.)
When that approach drew criticism, the producers shifted towards a more dramatic affair. Michael Apted was brought in to keep things grounded, while Sophie Marceau and Robert Carlyle (then hot off a BAFTA award) were considered classy "gets" at the time.
So it won't be much of a surprise if Skyfall ends up falling short of the mark. Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson have repeatedly found ways to make Bond disappointing- especially when they don't have a new approach to build upon.
Bond doesn't need an all-star cast, Paul Haggis or Peter Morgan penning the script, or a $230 million budget. After all, Goldeneye and Casino Royale were both relatively cheap entries that lacked a major star. -
Nov 03, 2011 1:51:28 PM CDT
I guess I just didn't feel the weight of Bond's love for Vesper
by stabby
especially given how she betrayed him and the reveal that the reason she betrayed him was to save some sleazebag spy who seduced her just for this reason.
Seems to me that after this reveal, Bond should have gotten over it and, "Hardened up!" -
The first two were his first entry as a 00. He really was more of a "blunt instrument." Now that he's avenged Vesper, he should start morphing into the suave, charming Bond.
I've also loved the idea that James Bond is nothing more than a sobriquet, and that there have been Bonds in the past, and Bonds in the future. Just when Spectre was able to recognize the guy, they go and create a new Bond! Damn MI6. -
Expect more in fouth Craig movie. They seem to following a Connery-type path here. Dr. NO and FRWL both dealt with SPECTRE as the mysterious organization. Then they went "Stand Alone" with GOLDFINGER in the third film. Then back to SPECTRE with THUNDERBALL.
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Nov 03, 2011 1:58:20 PM CDT
Mr PAD,David Niven has played Bond in the original Casino Royal.
by killik
and frankly,apart from being classier,his Bond was inferior to Connery's.
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He's as lost and empty as England herself was during the time period. Still in earnest and trying to fill the role it expected to play forever, but falling way short.
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were goin to field questions now. oh we cant answer anything you ask. haha i understand why they cant answer but just do a press release. these are always awkward with these stupid questions and nonchalant answers
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I want to give some love to Quantum of Solace, a very good film in the Bond franchise. While not up to the EXCELLENT standard set by Casino Royale, it is a film that I have enjoyed more and more over time. It is certainly miles better than any of the Brosnan films, most of the Roger Moore entries, and even a couple of Connery's efforts (DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER... seriously?).
The major criticism I hear of QoS is that its style borrows too heavily from the Bourne films. OK, I accept that. However, it doesn't prevent the film from being good. I also hear complaints that OoS doesn't have the fun or whimsy of other Bond films. Well, count me in on a darker and edgier Bond because we've seen what happens when we go too far in the other direction. (You don't need a prompt from me here. Those film titles are already in your head.) -
Beautiful, my word.
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"Property of a Lady" is far from the last unused Fleming Bond title:
The Hildebrand Rarity
Risico
007 in New York
Of course none of these would have made very good movie titles (except maybe "Risico"). -
Like Roger Moore's the best Bond of all!
Cheesy, funny, full of action!
Eat that, Younglings!
Worst Bond Movie: License To Kill!
But Quantum "Leap" Of Solace is a pretty much Second! -
Time to bring in some Bond With Balls - Thunderballs!
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Nov 03, 2011 2:25:47 PM CDT
When they are making a film why do they give very little to no information
by moonlightdrive
about the film yet before it is released they will compose a trailer that tells you everything about the film?
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AICN, just let US do the stories, ok?
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I had the same thought while watching X-Men:First Class. Firstly, that Fassbender is a fucking STAR! I will watch any film he is in.
Secondly, I'm hoping the producers of the Bond films saw it and thought "What the fuck are we doing with this Craig asshat? GET FASSBENDER RIGHT FUCKING NOW!" -
Best:
Casino Royale
Thunderball
You Only Live Twice
Dr. No
Goldeneye
The Spy Who Loved Me
Moonraker (fuck you!)
Worst:
Live and Let Die
The Man with the Golden Gun
From Russia with Love (why does everyone love this boring POS?)
For Your Eyes Only
Quantum of Solace
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (worst effects of the series and a mannequin as Bond)
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Since I'm quite possibly the only one here who saw the original "Casino Royale" in its first theatrical release. I'm not arguing the quality of his performance compared to Connery. In fact, I'd agree with you. I'm just saying that, to Fleming, Niven was the right actor for the part.
Also, if anyone's interested in an entertaining take on James Bond, I would recommend the following Lenny Henry routine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkxXDT1-F8
It's fun to watch through, but the part relevant to Bond comes at the 3:00 mark.
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Nov 03, 2011 2:58:17 PM CDT
By the way...where in the HOLY FUCK are the rest of the Bond Blu-rays?
by wrath_of_fett
They released like 6 of them...THEN STOPPED!
Yes I'm very well aware MGM was in restructuring at the time, but they kept releasing Blu-rays....just not the Bond ones. I cry "BULLSHIT!" -
Nov 03, 2011 3:01:03 PM CDT
I had no problem with Quantum of Solace's title... it's very poetic
by mattman
The movie, however, was bland and terribly edited. The villain was as generic as they come. The only parts I liked were the Opera scene and Agent Strawberry Fields.
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until around the release of Skyfall. Bastards.
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Nov 03, 2011 3:05:28 PM CDT
Quantam as an organization SHOULD NOT be dropped from the storyline. Big mistake. HUGE MISTAKE. added some interesting mystery/mythology between films
by ndally
Mr. White sets Quantam up as this huge organization that is "everywhere". This is a big mistake. It added some much needed mystery and mythology to the Bond franchise. I hope this isn't all Bond sees of Quantam. Towards the end of QOS opera scene they mention "shifting focus to the Canadian" and I really was interested in who these people are. This really annoys me. It felt like they are building a mythology. Maybe QUANTAM doesn't have to be featured prominatley but they are always behind the curtain pulling the strings. Then they can set up Daniel Craigs retirement from the franchise once he finally solves and disbands Quantam and getting full closure on Vesper's death. He's only got another 3-4 bond films in him at most so maybe Quantam will return. I fucking hope so. It was the one cool thing they had going for it!
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Connery and Moore have one huge advantage when it comes to Bond, in that they were allowed to play the role as the politically correct character it is. (Once you transform M into a maternal figure that consoles Bond, you've given up any right to claim a strict adherence to Fleming's source material.)
However, Connery has several other advantages, not the least of which was being the only actor to actually influence how Fleming wrote the character. (For example, by providing Bond with Scottish ancestry.) -
craig is the best bond, keep quantum.
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Then you would have hated Goldfinger. Which essentially did the same thing and put the SPECTRE storyline on hold after the first two Connery movies.
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Am worried that means that movie is about a bad guy who wants to control the weather/atmosphere/climate with a big space satellite...please please be better then that.
I too like Craig as bond, he is the closest to what Connery brought to the role but without being a cheap knock off. Also, I could care less about it being it's own film, since QofS was so awful, by the time it was over, I was trying to scrubb my brain with ajax to erase the memory of it. Such a mess of a film. So dissapointing. Hope this one is much much better. -
The closest to what Ian Fleming imagined. Ha ha ha! Priceless stuff.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51564
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Considering he signed for four movies and said at the press conference he will do at least one more...Yeah I see where you get that this is his last one.
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.......Always turn out to be a cracker - Connery with Goldfinger, Moore with The Spy Who Loved Me, and Brosnan with The World is Not Enough.
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It's actually 'Skiffle'. Bond goes underground - literally - as a busker on the tube in London, playing washboard and jug band music. M is furious, as usual.
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Goldfinger was a stand alone non-SPECTRE story that followed FRWL and preceded Thunderball which both featured SPECTRE. I guess it depends on how many films Craig is willing to do... It would be nice to see his interpretation of the character have a complete story arc.
As for the title, I think it is good. I am glad that they have done away with the Die Another Tomorrow or Goldenrod is Forever bull shit.
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Surely it can't be hard to make one.
"The Spy With The Golden Tomorrow"
"The Man Who Died Yesterday"
"Today Is Not A Diamond"
"Thunderspy"
"Live And Buy Gold"
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Nov 03, 2011 4:12:35 PM CDT
It seems like they would have tried to go with a more exciting name
by franks_television
...seeing as how the major complaint with the last film seemed to be that it was boring and lacked the lightheartedness that is a hallmark of most Bond movies.
Skyfall is a very minimalist title. I’d have preferred something more bombastic. It doesn’t mean the movie will be bad, but it suggests that the writers may not be in touch with what people in general are looking for in this movie. -
It's in a long tradition of word mash-up; Goldfinger, Thunderball....get over it. ...
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Nov 03, 2011 4:20:44 PM CDT
Daniel Craig doesn't even hold a candle to Brosnan let alone Sean fucking Connery
by volllllume3
Where you high when you wrote this?
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Nov 03, 2011 4:21:46 PM CDT
Terrible title, dropping Quantum is a bad idea, good cast, still interested in it.
by kevred
With the bad title and standalone aspect seeming like poor decisions at this point, I start to wonder if the great things about the first Craig film (and, to a lesser extent, second film) were more incidental than intentional.
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Dude? OHMSS? Worst? Fuck off please. I love that u have Moonraker on the list as I dig it too, but damn you for Lazenby hate.
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Bond was never supposed to be 'suave'. He was no-nonsense and dashing, but not the fucking pansy Brosnan and Moore made him out to be.
You idiots should read the books, and leave the cinematic mess, outside of the first few Connery entries and Craig's films, alone. THOSE are not representational of what Bond was.
Bond wasn't fancy drinks and the best of everything. He used worn but high quality goods (things made to last), simple at times foods (eggs were one of his favourite meals), regional drinks (not this Martini all the time bullshit).
Craig is the ONLY Bond as far as I'm concerned, and Quantum was a fantastic epilogue to Casino. You fucking tards wouldn't know a good Bond film if it fucked your face with your father's dick.
And wtriker1701, seriously, go fucking choke yourself with the "Cheesy, funny, full of action!" shit. Fans like you are a cancer to the series.
Oh and FUCK Fassbender. First Class sucked and Fassbender was a mopey shit in it. One good scene with a knife does not a Bond make. -
The only reason I started with blu-rays was that Bond was getting released all pretty and proper like...LOOK FANTASTIC!
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Nov 03, 2011 4:28:45 PM CDT
Why do they even bother to call the franchise Bond anymore?
by excaliburffolkes
When the past several films have done everything in their power to divest themselves of everything and anything that feels remotely Bondian.
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No, actually they've pulled the movies back in line with the spirit of the Flemming novels, unlike the horseshit that preceded them.
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Brosnan was a fucking pansy. He ran like a woman, looked like a hair dresser and his movies were the worst fucking dreck of the lot, and that says a lot considering the shit Moore gave us.
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You're right, he takes a fucking FLAMETHROWER to them. I still love Connery, but Brosnan's a fucking PANSY. He ran like a girl, looked like a fucking hairdresser and punched like a bitch.
Fuck him and those shitty relics of bad 90's movie making. -
That title is just too bad ass not to be used.
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Nov 03, 2011 4:47:53 PM CDT
Fucking shitty AICN multiple post user error quote mess bullshit
by nightarrows
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The word was that Naomie Harris had been cast as Moneypenny. She was credited as such on IMDB. But in the press conference she talks of all the training she's been doing to play a field agent named Eve. So, no Moneypenny? Or maybe Eve becomes Moneypenny?
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For some reason, the 1st thing which popped into my mind after reading this was there must be a scene in the movie where a CGI Jaws jumps out of a plane.
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There will be one. They've been doing a casting search for a native Chinese actress to play the part but no mention of her at the press conference. Not unusual for Bond though. Eva Green was cast after Casino Royale had already started filming.
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There was supposed to be a major train sequence in India, but the Indian officials couldn't put things together, so the producers switched to South Africa. Or did they? No mention of this in the press conference.
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Well, i'm not a REAL James Bond fan, anyway. Never claimed to be one either.
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You watch the great Casino Royale and the movie is so flawless that it could have been anybody other than Craig and it would have been great. Craig didn't have to do anything. He didn't have to big charming or nasty. all he had to do was show up. watch CR and Quantum again.
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Fuck yeah.
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Nov 03, 2011 5:22:53 PM CDT
Have to say...not a fan of the Late 20th-21st century Bond
by conspiracy
It just doesn't have that swinging, yet classy English vibe...more like watching a generic action film or a UFC fight.
Sure Bond was a brutal killer...but the old Bond fucker did it as effortlessly as when sliding his cock into some prime Jamaican Jerk, or brushing some Slavs cunt crumbs off his lapels. Suave as fuck...
Connery IS Bond...
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the new movie will focus a bit on M's past. Any scenes between Daniel Craig and Judi Dench are gold.
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Too obvious, I guess.
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I dare you to try to watch Juno more than once..go ahead..do it, see how long before you are searching the house for some Rat poison to quaff.
I watched it once..on a cruise ship in Alaska, because I was drunk, my wife who was sleeping said she liked it (a warning any other time),and it was 2am and the buffet was closed. Through my Long Island clouded vision I thought it was amusing at best..and passed out.
A year or so later...my wife netflix'd it and started playing it right about dinner time. Let me tell you...that shit ruined a perfectly fucking good Asada dinner. I walked out and went to find something to cleanse my mind...a non HD Youtube posting of Lawrence of Arabia did the trick. Salvation in 18 or so parts.
Diablo is a walking talking monument to what is wrong in Hollywood these days...someone with a interesting story/unique look and a smidgen more talent than the average girl at Spearmint Rhino who writes or speaks just above the sub highschool communication skill level agents are exposed to everyday. Things are so bad out there when these fuckers find someone with a story who can write in complete sentences they proclaim them the next William Goldman and the development deals start falling like coke out of their silver salt shaker.
Like Megan...Diablo is interesting for the required 15 minutes, but also like Megan her schtick is also getting fucking old. Once that new pussy smell wears off you notive that there just isn't much there.
I shudder to think the nightmarish fem-centric pegging she will give the Evil Dead property.
Put the paper down baby and let someone with a broader range and a sharper pen get a shot at making something that isn't a fucking travesty in hindsight...you're in LA, rediscover your true calling...Jumbos is always hiring. -
Nov 03, 2011 6:48:58 PM CDT
I actually liked Juno the first time I saw it. Now, when I hear "swear to blog", I want to exterminate some one.
by sierratangofoxtrotuniform
Oscar-winning Crash also sucks. I can't believe I liked that pretentious, cliched, manipulative piece of garbage the first time I saw it.
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Fuck ... Off.
Not even second best, get a fucking grip. -
Mark it for best shot Bond as well. This thing has high caliber written all over it.
And why isn't Craig not even the 2nd best Bond? He's my 2nd favorite after Connery. He gave it so much heart and grit in Casino Royale alone and remember, he's been playing the pre-Bond 007, the more rough around the edges version, he's not suave ladies man quite yet as it's written. -
I like the film personally.
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Nov 03, 2011 7:36:32 PM CDT
I always route for the 'bad guy' (or gal) to blow Bond's head off!
by workshed
After all, Mi6/5 are a set of cunts and it's about time they were depicted as THE ENEMY.
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I've read all the Bond novels and reviewed each one for a book. Do you honestly think, clacking away at his typewriter, drink to hand, the sun setting over Goldeneye, that Ian Fleming had a Daniel Craig type in mind as he was writing those novels? Why is Bond described as being tall, lean and darkly handsome - like an 'American film star'. If that short bloke with the buzzcut at the press conference today was Fleming's Bond then PW Anderson is Alfred Hitchcock. And those Bond novels are soooooo serious aren't they? Villains with metal hands, Bond wrestling giant squids. It's like Proust. If the first ever Bond in 1962 was Daniel Craig then the series wouldn't have got out of the sixties and Ian Fleming would have had his heart attack much sooner when he saw someone who looked like the man who comes to fix your boiler playing his beloved fictional hero. Don't forget Bond was in many ways Fleming's fantasy version of himself. You think the ultra refined Ian Fleming would dream of being the mumbling craggy Daniel Craig? I don't think so somehow. This IS Bond for people who don't like Bond films.
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...seems I remember the blonde getting out of bed in From Russia With Love and you could see her bare bottom. Would love to see a little more nudity, but you gotta get the pg13 and unlike the 70's, you can't get away with nudity in a non R rated film nowadays(unless it's a glimpse of a man's butt). And I always steered away from Bond being a code name. I have no problem seeing it as one character played by different actors. Oddly, I know there are those who try to point out evidence the James Bond is just a code name but are able to accept that, say, Batman is one man yet has been played by different actors. I can't see the difference.
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after watching this the QOS haters are going to wish it was QOS 2
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Craig can't have too many Bond films left in him now (thankfully). Maybe two more and we'll get an actor more fitting for the part. DC's Bond is too thuggish for my liking, and he looks like a bad guy's henchman. Still, at least Bourne and the Impossible films have filled the gap in the meantime.
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He deserves a better sendoff than Die Another Day.
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In one of the movies (FYEO?), an admiral says to Roger Moore something like: "Oh, yes, Bond. You were on the Ark Royal."
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can't wait
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The Marine Biologist is discouraged. I wanted a Bond story about fishing off the coast of Africa, where the MacGuffin was just some rare reef fish.
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That works, so long as every single man who became "Bond" went to Fettes, studied languages at Cambridge and took the same career path through the Royal Navy.
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Bye bye Dame Judi Dench.
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Both Craig Bond movies have been released in the time since the last Mission Impossible film came out.
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Nov 03, 2011 10:16:18 PM CDT
Oh, yeah.. and Moneypenny SHOULD NOT be a black chick!
by scriptgirl_nipples
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sounds a bit ominous: sky is falling, etc.
With Fiennes and Bardem, it's hard to think of better actors who will bring the appropriate tone and menace to the franchise.
If this film includes the first "large-scale" strike of Quantum toward MI6, it could set up a number or interesting possibilities for the future. Real-world events similar to the 007 simulation in DAD would be a pretty sick way to up the ante...
Probably just pointless speculation, but regardless, I can't wait for whatever Mendes brings to the table. Filming should wrap in about a month, right??? -
Sure... and I'd rather rewatch them instead of a Daniel Craig Bond. I've only just managed to force myself to watch the last two Bonds and I don't like Craig in that role. I have absolutely nothing against the actor. I'd happily watching him in anything. But I don't think he was a good casting choice. He's turned Bond in a killing machine, a thug. He lacks charisma. And as for being able to bed the women Bond does, it's just seems utterly ridiculous with this guy. Jason Statham would have played Bond with more style, more charisma, and even being bald looks more like a Bond than Craig (even though he'd make a terrible Bond too!). I'd genuinely go as far to say I'd rather see an American, or a black guy play Bond, as long as they looked the part, appeared charming and had a little charisma. For me Daniel Craig is down there with Roger Moore as a bad era in the franchise. Still. It doesn't matter. He'll be replaced soon enough. That's the good thing about Bond. If you hate the current one, just wait a few movies and new one pops up. They're the Hollywood equivalent of taxis! Unfortunately at the moment we'ven jumped onboard a stolen car being joy ridden by a thug.
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Why haven't they named one SNOWTITS? Too obvious? Or how about FIRESLEET or DEATHBLINK? Or GOLDENROD HENCEFORTH? Or THE SPY WHO SPIED WITH HIS STIFF LITTLE ONE EYE? XD
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I tried that title randomizer at http://www.kmoser.com/jamesbond/
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came up with when he did his stint on the Bond novels.
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"dont kill my son, bond, im begging you"
will be Skyfall in a nutshell
REMEMBER this post. remember the name. -
"Nooooooooooooooooooooo . . ."
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... Bond ultimately comes through -or doesn´t- because of the chosen performance. Craig for sure can emote- watch Dreamhouse if you wanna find out how he looks smiling- but he´s resolute to play Bond as a stone-carved, poker-faced tough guy, and that´s not the Bond I really care for. Bond is not Rambo. Bond is not Bourne. Bond is not Jet Li. Bond is Bond and that means way more fun into the proceedings.
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Nov 04, 2011 12:28:10 AM CDT
SKYFALL? Is he going to need a Moonraker or something to pick up the pieces?
by george newman
hyuck! hyuck! hyuck!
I read through the whole dang talkback to see if i could make that awful crappy joke. -
I’m not liking the idea of a female agent in the field with Bond. Reeks of TND and DAD. That idea never works well.
Bond is rogue.
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They at least need to find a way to have Felix in this.
It’s bad enough we seem to be losing the Quantum story arc.
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Idiots. Water is a huge money maker. It's just not basic concept for morons. Every action plot doesn't need to involve a city being destroyed or some plot to dominate the planet. Frankly Quantom as an evil organization I loved because their goals were realistic. Making money is what real villains are all about. Also loved that most of the people involved in group were huge pussies that used people when they needed force.
The movie itself had horrible editing. The action gave me headaches. Which is a shame because if it slowed down I think people would claim it was one of the best.
From the people who have been brought on board I believe this movie will be awesome. Skyfall is for sure a video game title... But who gives a shit? -
Loved the scene at the opera and at that funky hotel in the third act. Remember the girl had that great revenge angle? She was ballsy; not just set dressing. The bad guy was like a creepy accountant, not some OTT campy guy. Plus, Forster has a good eye.
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is one of the top three bonds, my order of preference is:
1. Craig
2. Dalton
3. Connery
Dalton and Craig have the ability to play the character as charming one moment, then turn ice-cold killer the next.
Connery, as ever, plays Connery. His range did not extended much throughout his career, and while he was perfectly suited to Bond, he lacks the subtlety of Craig and Dalton's performance. -
Nov 04, 2011 4:07:57 AM CDT
Anyone else never realise that the graphic at the start is a gun barrel when they were a kid?
by neuromantik
I just thought it was a great graphic that framed Bond. It's also a little confusing when a cascade of blood comes down INSIDE the barrel.
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and being a sleaze. Daniel Craig, plays it pitch perfect. It's called being subtle.
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Can't wait for when Craig gets replaced, for the geekry to cry his return and how he was a great Bond and what a mistake it was to replace him, and how the new one sucks, bla bla bla...
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QoS had some great action set pieces but it felt like a computer game rather than a movie.
Not necessarily a criticism of the plot, but of the execution of the story, and the connectivity with the action pieces did not flow well at times, perhaps also an editing issue as well as directing.
Am certainly a fan of Daniel Craig and would love to see him in a few more Bonds.
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New production video for THE HOBBIT is up...
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He could do one or the other well. I'm basing this on what I've seen of X-Men and Fish Tank. Haven't seen Shame yet. And Winding Refn could also handle either one of the franchises admirably.
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Here's the problem about a movie's plot...
Actually, here's a sideways approach to the question.
When I write a comic book, and an issue has ghastly art, fans complain about the story. They say I had an off issue, they say I plotted it badly, etc. And if the next issue has terrific art, fans will declare that I'm back on my game and wrote a much better story. More often than not, they won't twig to the notion that it's the same writer, same comic book, and that their perceptions of the story are being shaped by how the story is told visually.
It may well be the same thing here. I had a very difficult time visually following QoS. I thought the direction wasn't great and the editing was horrific. Consequently, I couldn't engage with the plot. Now I haven't been one of those who actually complained about the plot; my focus has been purely on the technical aspects that I think hurt the movie. There may well have been a great plot buried somewhere in their, but the actual visuals of the film managed--for me at least--to obscure it.
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dont laugh,you know it can happen in the future.
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Nov 04, 2011 7:42:42 AM CDT
Don't say the title quickly or it sounds like "James Bond: Skiffle"
by dalius
and yes I agree that FYEO was the best Moore film. Especially when they blew up the Lotus and had to escape in the 2CV !!! Classic.
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...in: DEATHBLOW!
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Is that supposed to be a superweapon or something or doomsday plot?
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They are each other's counterparts in their respective fields? Although Juno was overly Quirky it was still a ok movie
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Nov 04, 2011 8:58:41 AM CDT
nightarrows - You are too young to discuss this matter. Fact!
by wtriker1701
Fans like me were there in the Golden Years of Bond, James Bond.
Enjoy your books, enjoy them with a mag lite under your bed sheets and ravel about the Bond Adventures as YOU see them with your vivid imgaination.
But don't talk like this to us!
We were - for sure - not the cancer for the Bond series.
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You clearly had your letters on every principal icon of the western hemisphere, haven't you?
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Nov 04, 2011 9:15:43 AM CDT
Actuaklly, there are MANY reasons why it sucks, but the main one is....
by wrath_of_fett
When that guy gets killed and Bond dumps his body in the trash, assumedly to hide their trail.....BUT LEAVES THE COP CAR WITH THE DEAD COP ON THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO HIM!
I mean...WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?!? That's fucking RETARDED!
But it's par for the course with this completely ridiculous film.
The other thing that really grinds my gears is the opening chase. It is the most pathetically edited sequence I've seen in a theater since Blade III.
First of all...they're all the same fucking car! How the hell can you edit a car chase between 5 of the same color and model of CAR you stupid dipfucks?
And then it keeps changing perspective all over the place and the camera "crosses the line" several times. I thought Bond wrecked twice in that chase because it was so completely fucked up in editing. -
Like one of the John Gardner titles when Bond was first resurrected in novel form - Scorpius anyone?
Skyfall will be a code in MI6 about worldwide operatives having their cover blown - you know like the sky is falling - and somehow M will get the blame. -
he'd make a great Bond - they should rework Colonel Sun, a largely unknown Bond novel from Kingsley Amis writing under the pseudonym of Robert Markham (1968) it definitely captured the spirit of Fleming's writing style. And check out the sweet Dali-esque cover on the hardcover edition.
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Nov 04, 2011 10:05:13 AM CDT
I don't hate Craig as Bond, I think he's quite good BTW, but to call
by openthepodbaydoorshal
him the best Bond (or favorite) after one good movie and one admitted "weak entry", is crazy talk mister.
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CASINO did a few things brilliantly, but all these brilliant things were in the first 40 minutes. After his train trip with Vesper, it was all over for me. And definitely when he tried to comfort her by sucking her finger.
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I loved CR, was disappointed by QoS, but excited for another one. I do see the point of using an actor who's a bit more handsome. I think Clive Owen would've been a good choice, or Jude Law (beefed-up a bit), or even Christian Bale. They all have the right balance of suave and tough.
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Thank God he is now too old to ever play the part. Do not like the guy, he plays the same in nearly everything I've seen him in. Two films that were good; Children of Men, & King Arthur.
Not a fan. -
Nightarrows- you can take your stodgy old books and have a heck of a time with your own adventures, but don't bash the non-Craig films that's beyond stupid. How anyone can hate any of the films is beyond me, but hey...
I knew a guy like you in college who claimed he liked Star Trek, but ONLY THE BOOKS! He was obsessed with being different and looking smarter than everyone else in the room...it didn't work out. He was a big douche nozzle.
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Nov 04, 2011 2:45:16 PM CDT
Moore Just Got too Damned Old for the Part...
by the_dreaded_rear_admiral
He had some decent Bonds. Moonraker was considerable over the top, and he was showing his age in A View to a Kill.
Still I liked Moore's Bond in Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun.
My favorite, and this WILL get me beat up, was For Your Eyes Only. Moore got pretty hard-assed with the henchman he kicked over the cliff.
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A novelization is a book version of a movie. Have there been any Bond novelizations?
If you mean an original Bond book, I dunno. No one's ever asked me and I've never pitched for one. I think there are people far better qualified to write Bond than I am.
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Completly agree with you about Craig, Daltron and Connery. I also rate Connery 3rd for the same reason you do. I don't know who should be first, though, Craig or Dalton.
And call me crazy, but i quite liked Lazemby as Bond. Maybe he didn't had all that much acting ability, given he was just starting, but he did made an hell of an effort, and he had to play Bond at his most emotionally vulnerable and complex. Connery never had to play Bond with such complexity... or vulnerability. -
I understand what you say about QOS. I think i had the same reaction to it. I think the story of QOS is good. I think the mvoie made a good continuation with the characters. In it's quieter moments, the characterization works wonderfully. Even at the moments when the action is not explosive and the movie has a more toned down (aka, less shakycam) visual, the action is good.
I do think, i do beleive that the rpesentation of QOS is the movie's biggest problem. If not the movie's real problem. Had QOS's action scenes and the movie in general had been directed and dited like CASINO ROYALE, people (and me) would had been far more forgiving, or even had enjoyed it a hell of a lot more.
Why didn't Martin Campbell directed it? It's quite obvious he's, presently, the best or one of the top best directors to make a James Bond movie. He's made magic twice already with GOLDENEYE and CASINO ROYALE. -
Your idea of an older Radclifif as Bond is not at all absurd. I dig it. I really dig it.
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Nov 04, 2011 4:06:25 PM CDT
Moore shouldhad ended his career as Bond with FOR YOUR EYES ONLY.
by asimovlives
He would had ended with a career high.
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Was never the Bond he could have been because he baulked at some of the basic characteristics of Bond as described in the Novels. He didn't like showing the nastier side of Bond and for that reason he kind of just played Simon Templar with a bigger budget and an increasing Benny Hill air about it.
He never looks that comfortable in FYEO (and it's a film I used to love but now find quite difficult to watch because of the shitty teaser and the shitty lines in it) and the double taking animals and the drunk tourist that had been a mainstay in Bond since The Spy Who Loved Me.
If he had brought some of the ruthless charisma that he showed in the Wild Geese he's have been far more successful in my eyes (of course he was insanely popular so it is personal).
I quite like Craig as Bond but I'm bored of the character really and now when I watch the films I'm just doing it because it's something I've always done.
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Otherwise, leave it. Craig is fine. But if they want to change Bonds, imo, that is the perfect and only way to go.
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Nov 04, 2011 7:47:31 PM CDT
Based on all the activity on the Net I would that it's SKYRIM that people care about....oh well.
by longtime lurker
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Nov 04, 2011 8:10:58 PM CDT
I've read that the Skyfall script is so good that they will be pushing for an Oscar
by darth voodoo
Take it for what it's worth, but if rumors are to be believed this film will be this generations "Goldfinger" and there will be an Oscar push for this film.
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WTF? That has to be Blofeld's brain melting down. Funny and stupid as hell at the same time.
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Nov 04, 2011 9:12:15 PM CDT
Craig looks like a really handsome man who just drank a whole glass of concentrated lemon juice.
by rkdn
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Nov 04, 2011 9:46:36 PM CDT
PAD, sorry, I meant Bond novel - not novelization... well, a book!
by wtriker1701
Sorry, Germans and writing English...
I thnk you're the Master Of Pitching when it comes to popular characters. So, if Mrs. David would someday complain, you hadn't give it enough thought - and you're actually having enough spare-time (which probably means, that you are just working on 3 parallel projects...) I could not think of a better author to do so.
Hell, you could even pitch a movie out of... well, out of nothing.
Or... could have a certain photographer meet the MI6 Agent on some cool comic pages...
OK, just kidding with that last one...
You're The Best! -
so, you are THE Peter David who writes for Marvel, who wrote the Hulk movie novelization? And without a black box?
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Connery was not capable of portraying a vulnerable or emotional Bond, he just didn't have the range as an actor.
Lazenby did a good job considering his background, which is strikingly similar to Connery's -Lazenby and Connery were not classically trained actors- like Dalton and Craig.
As far as how I rated Craig above Dalton, it comes down to how Craig inhabits the physicality of the Bond character in a more nuanced way than Dalton.
Of course that's just my opinion. -
I believe that there were novelisations of The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker by Christopher Woods and Licence to Kill was novelised as I think were the Brosnan ones.
Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker purely because they were so very different from the Fleming Novels (in fact I think Fleming only gave EON the rights to the title and nothing else for TSWLM).
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is no one here even concerned about it?!
what the fuck!
i actually invested time and money in the damned flick.
someone say something please! -
btw Li Bingbing who was last seen in Detective Dee starring alongside Andy Lau.
Thought this was announced last week.
Why hasn't this caught on here?! -
Brian Cox would be a great addition to Bond 23.
You know you want it! -
for a series of agents - it's already ridiculous that a secret agent doesn't use an alias for each mission, but keeping the same name for decades with different guys? Maybe word would get around a bit? Not that Bond films always make sense, but where is the logic?
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Nov 06, 2011 9:01:31 PM CST
What SKYFALL needs is Li Bing Bing and a hard R rating
by theskyfortressbahamut
Wait, what?
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