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Herc Says NBC’s New Slayer Saga GRIMM Is No BUFFY!!

Published at: Oct. 28, 2011, 2:48 p.m. CST by hercules

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NBC’s promos for “Grimm” tout that it comes from the folks behind “Buffy” and “Angel,” but they’re talking about writer-producers David Greenwalt and Jim Kouf, and not the guy directing Robert Downey Jr. in the “Avengers” movie.

“Grimm” is nowhere near as good or as much fun as “Buffy” or “Angel.”

The new series stars handsome Dave Giuntoli, who was introduced to America via the 2003 edition of MTV’s “Road Rules” alongside more memorable cast members Abram Boise and Cara Zavaleta.

“Grimm” is a procedural about an Oregon homicide cop who learns from his dying aunt he comes from a long, long line of monster slayers. As the pilot begins, be begins to inherit the ability to recognize all manner of ghoulies posing as humans, as if someone just gave him a pair of Rowdy Roddy “They Live” glasses. In Buffy tradition, a new slayer is chosen to inherit the slayer superpowers when the incumbent slayer dies.

I confess I was pretty bored with the pilot -- when I wasn’t confused about why the cop doesn’t react with more concern when some of the humans around him appear to be turning into demons.

HitFix says:

... arrives with a variety of stumbling blocks of its own making. Nick, who discovers he's one of the last in a long line of Grimms, people with the power to recognize and then fight the fairy tale monsters, is played by "Road Rules" alum David Giuntoli, who comes across like a more wooden Brandon Routh, which didn't seem possible. The show takes its title far too seriously, and with the exception of one character is oppressively humorless. It is, if the pilot is an accurate guide, a police procedural in supernatural drag, and not a particularly inspired one. And the show looks both cheap and quite literally too dark. (Even NBC's promotional images are hard to entirely make out.) ...

AOL says:

... Wooden lead actor David Giuntoli, who plays cop David Burkhardt, adds nothing to the proceedings; he has an almost comical lack of range. Still, I wanted to like this show, given my genre proclivities and my deep and lasting love for 'Angel' (which 'Grimm' executive producer David Greenwalt used to work on). But there were several points at which 'Grimm' drained its own suspense away by having a plot development revolve around a convenient ability that a character happened to have. To compete with Friday's bumper crop of quality nerd bait ('Fringe,' 'Chuck,' 'Supernatural'), 'Grimm' has to have exciting, surprising plots and good characters, not bland leads and stories full of shortcuts. ...

The New York Times says:

... has a comic-book feel, and the story seemed a little thin and stitched together on first viewing, with a lurching tonal shift into peppy humor in the second half-hour. But some of the jokes work, and some of the frights are actually scary, and on a repeat viewing the craftsmanship and attention to detail made more of an impression ...

The Los Angeles Times says:

... adds up to a nice, moody, entertaining-enough hour and the troublesome question of how interesting this will be by the third episode. Joss Whedon had the tense longings of adolescence (not to mention the living nightmare of high school) to give "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" depth; in "Grimm," it will depend on the cleverness of the crimes and how effectively creators David Greenwalt (who worked on "Buffy" and its spinoff "Angel") and Jim Kouf (also "Angel") can convince us that the terrors of our childhood imaginations are actual forces of evil at work in the world. ...

The Chicago Sun-Times says:

... Rather than being dark and edgy, “Grimm” ends up being a show that’s trying to be dark and edgy. It relies way too much on cheap scare tactics (cue the sudden, dramatic music!) to deliver its suspense. Underneath the special effects and fairy-tale plot propeller lurks just another crime drama, and not a very good one at that. The premiere features one of the most boring murder investigations I’ve ever seen on TV. …

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:

... seems less interested in character development and more concerned with procedural, case-of-the-week police investigations. …

The San Francisco Chronicle says:

... moderately entertaining, albeit somewhat predictable. The shape-shifting special effects are neat, but it's also hard to see exactly where the show can go. ...

The Washington Post says:

... vacillates between hokey and clever as it mines the Brothers Grimm for contemporary analogues. ...

The Boston Herald says:

... has a low-rent Saturday Syfy vibe to it. Executive producers David Greenwalt and Sean Hayes (better known as Jack on “Will & Grace”) bring nothing new to the supernatural mythology. I found myself more fascinated by the product placement, and this opener features a few Apple devices. Why would the upscale tech company want to be associated with this drudge? ...

The Boston Globe says:

… a darkly lit, bland mix of the mythological, procedural, and supernatural. It should be more original, and the characters should be less forgettable. …

USA Today says:

... a bit slow-moving, in part because the show is determined to be ominous even in scenes where we're reasonably certain nothing ominous is actually going to happen. And as long as it's borrowing from Buffy, it wouldn't hurt Grimm to borrow a bit more of Buffy's sense of humor and surprise. ...

Variety says:

... The first threat is a predator with an appetite for young women wearing red-hooded sweatshirts (get it?), which is modestly clever and creepy. Still, as with any show of this variety, there's the haunting problem of exhausting viable monsters and spiraling into silliness …

The Hollywood Reporter says:

... a high-concept hootenanny with varied results. ... has chills and humor and the ability to take a procedural story and twist it. (If there's an opt-out moment here, it's simply the realization that something like Kolchak: The Night Stalker and certainly The X-Files were more fun.)

9 p.m. Friday. NBC.

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  • Everything Whedon's made minus Greenwalt has gone down the ratings/box office toilet. Greenwalt was also responsible for the X-Files' last gasp of quality in the latter half of its fourth season after Morgan & Wong left. Shame on you for dismissing him, Herc.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    At least it's not a complete ripoff of Fables

    by DoctorTom

    Instead, it's just grafting the supernatural stuff du jour onto the standard police procedural. They've done it with vampires and they're passe now, so let's do it with fairytale characters. Still, I'll give this one props over Once Upon A Time for actually trying something a little different than just blatantly ripping off Fables. I might actually give it a try tonight since Fox will be showing baseball instead of Fringe.

  • wow that's pretty harsh.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Not being Buffy is a bad thing right?

    by Xiphos_2

    Heaven forbid a show based on a supernatural premise not be like a mediocre teen show from last decade, based on a supernatural premis. How about we allow a new to show to sink or swim on its own without comparing it to, and hanging around its neck, a marginally OK TV show for teen girls just getting their periods that ended several years ago.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    only way to improve Grimm...

    by Eternal Watcher

    Make Monroe the Grimm. A not-so-Big Bad Wolf clockmaker battling crime. Better than a Ken Doll Cop who is way over his head

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Doesn't that sound just like

    by sfgeek

    Supernatural? I mean, without the brothers, and the car? I'm confused by how stuff like this gets made and put on the boobtube. Maybe not confused, but irritated. Well actually I guess I don't really care. I watch what I want to, and turn it off for the shows I don't care about.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:48 p.m. CST

    This show already exists: it's called Supernatural

    by Volllllume3

    And it's fucking awesome.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    If you all remember, Buffy sucked at first too, as did Angel.

    by sweeneydave

    Buffy's show was too immature at first and Angel's was too dark and serious. I'm willing to give this one a few episodes to find itself.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST

    sweenydave: Yep. Season 1 of BUFFY sucked ass indeed

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Not every series can be a BREAKING BAD or a BOARDWALK EMPIRE, fully formed and perfect from the pilot on.

  • Herc pulls the same elitist "Buffy" bullshit with that show as well. Supernatural is fucking awesome.

  • Sorry, Herc. Those shows were uneven. At their best, they were pretty entertaining and even innovative. At their worst, they were almost unwatchable.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I have never understood the love for Buffy

    by slone13

    I watched quite a few of them as my old girlfriend was a big fan. It was a show for teen girls. Let's not try to pretend otherwise.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST

    The pilot is... adquate

    by Gislef_crow

    The partner Hank has a bit of humor to him, as does Eddy Munroe. The main bad guy (Tim bagley, from Monk et al.) is suitably creepy. Main problem is that the main character Nick doesn't DO anything. Hank figures out that the postman is guilty, Hank shoots the postman in the back. And Eddy is the one who tracks down the postman. The problem isn't that Nick is a novice: the problem is that even the guy who doesn't have his ability does more to solve the problem then Nick does.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Re: "Supernatural"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    "Supernatural" somehow beat the odds and became a pretty amazing show (also, why does it get no coverage here?) ... until after the Season 5 finale, which is arguably where it should have ended. In fact, the Season 5 finale could have gone down as one of the most satisfying series finales of all time (which was Kripke's idea, too bad he left afterwards), and a damn sight better done than "Lost" or "Battlestar Galactica" ever dreamt of doing. Unfortunately, it came back after that and the series slowly started going down the drain. Not even Castiel's "Bow down before your new God!" line at the end of Season 6 could save it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Eh, I'll give it a go.

    by blackwood

    Herc also thought AMERICAN HORROR STORY was a pile of crap and it's turned into something compelling, and mean, and worth following through the season at the very least. Not to go down the Buffy hole, but I still love that series to death. I go through the whole shebang once every few years.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    X-Files: The Next Generation

    by SmokingRobot

    Could easily be 10 times cooler than all this crap. You know it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    blackwood: I go through it once a year.

    by sweeneydave

    I know it's not for everybody and it certainly has it's flaws and even boring episodes - but when you spend that much time with a group of people, they are like family and become much more toterable. "Family" was the strength of those shows and it's the reason Firefly was so loved as well. Lost worked for the same reason. If shows want to succeed, they need to get ensemble-y quick fast. A great story isn't enough. The audience has to have a reason to come back and visit these people every week.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Buffy and Supernatural AGAIN

    by oisin5199

    I'm sorry, but anyone who says Buffy was a show for teenage girls has somehow massively missed the point. First off the median age of the show's audience was 25-40, and scores of adult critics and academics, both male and female, adored the show and loved analyzing and critiquing it. It was a show whose main character was a teenage girl (at least for the first 3 seasons). But it was certainly more complex and interesting than shows directed at teenage girls. There's a difference. The genre mixing alone sets it apart from anything on the air today. Shows like Vampire Dairies and Secret Circle, while guilty pleasures for some, ARE specifically written for the teenage girl audience. Buffy was not like that - sure, it was originally trying to appeal to that demographic, as all the shows on the first season of the WB tried to do, but it quickly moved beyond that. armageddonproductions, I'm totally with you on Supernatural. The show now is a pale, tired version of itself after season 5. I'd argue season 4 was the high point. But yeah, they had a great series finale there when Kripke left. Even Maureen Ryan at AOL, who was always a huge fan, has been having massive problems with the show's inconsistency and redundancy lately. Say what you will about the later seasons of Buffy (not everyone agreed at how well they stood up to the season 3 high water mark), but the show never lost the original vision or mission statement right through to the last shot of the series finale. I really don't know what the point of Supernatural is anymore. I really hope they find a decent way to wrap it up this season. As far as Grimm goes, I'll give it a chance, but in that Friday death slot, I'm not holding my breath.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:15 p.m. CST

    X-Files: The Next Generation

    by oisin5199

    I thought that was called Fringe.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    here's Mo Ryan's major complaints about Supernatural

    by oisin5199

    which I think are right on the money: http://www.aoltv.com/2011/10/22/tough-love-for-supernatural-plus-buffy-reunion-charisma-marsters/

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:25 p.m. CST

    This show is a rip-off of Forever Knight

    by Wookie_Weed

    Oh wait

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Watched half. Didn't like.

    by blackwood

    Not at all.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Herc tends to take things personally

    by Mugato5150

    and Supernatural isn't covered here probably for some petty personal reason.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Season 3 was the high point of Supernatural.

    by Shermdawg

    Not a big fan of season four, I'm still bitter about what they did with Ruby. Speaking of which, they rehashed "Jus In Bello" one of her and the series' best episodes tonight. I get they're paying tribute to a lot of the earlier eps this season, but that along with the lame excuse for villains.....it's just not working. End it. Let the Jared and Jensen move on.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I Am Watching Grimm, And It Is Great!!!

    by Media Messiah

    I thought it would be trash, but it is well done, and puts ABC's "Once Upon A Time" to shame.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:26 p.m. CST

    I liked it.

    by severianx1

    I couldn't give a rat's ass how it compares to Buffy or Angel, because I wasn't expecting it to be anything like either in any way, shape, or form, and it makes no sense to me that anyone would. I mean, if you start watching a show with the attitude of "OMG this new show is done by the same peeps that did that awesome show that was on back in the day so it just has to be as good as that" then of course you're going to be disappointed. Just look at the AOL critic's comment for instance: "I wanted to like this show". Why? Who gives a shit? So what if you like it, so what if you don't? Personally, I've started watching every new show this season with either zero expectations, or fully expecting to hate it, and I've come out of it with about five or so new shows that have pleasantly surprised me and I'm thoroughly enjoying, including this one.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by severianx1

    Still watching it, still liking it, wasn't expecting this additional season so it's a bonus, all the elements that reeled me in in the first place are still there, haven't seen any major fuck ups or shark jumping moments, so can't really see what all the bitching is about.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Hey! I Liked It!

    by Real Deal

    I really liked what I saw. Was it Buffy or Angel? No. Was it supposed to be? It's different but it has a really cool moodyness about it with a lot of potential if done right. Plus for me it's a special treat in that I'm from Salem which is about 50 miles south of where this is filmed. The locations are real and it really looks like Portland. But that's not what makes this worth your time. It's characters that got me interested in them. I was never bored. So I say it's got a lot of potential so give it a chance. PS. It's better than anything on the Siffy Channel.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Sick of hearing "not as good as buffy or Angel"

    by cairo

    Lets be Truthful here Buffy was not that great at the start they had Wooden acting , Stilted fight scenes , Bad stories and so on ... Buffy perked up when Spike arrived. Before that it was just OK. Grimm is actually pretty good for a first episode

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Yeah, still gonna give it a shot...

    by Ryan

    Everything everyone is saying about letting the show find it's leg's is spot on. There looks like there's something here, so I'm gonna give it at least a few episodes.

  • Well, i know what would happen to me: i would piss and shit myself. Then i would totally panic. Either i would go cathatonic and go fetal, or i would run like hell and only stoped until i got a coronary. What i wouldn't react would be to go all stoic and go "Yeah, OK! Bugger! Oh well!". And then immediatly go to business. Even if i had in me to be a vampyre slayer, i would still a need quite some time to adapt to the new reality. Meeting such supernatural entities would imply a complete break down of all i knew about the world, a complete change of my paradigmas. My personality would change. The shock to the sytem would be enourmous. You can't recuperate from that with merely a smart one liner and an attitude. In fac,tthe most plausible reaction most most of us would be like "OK, that's it, i gone mad", and you would check yourself in the nearlest mental hospital. That is if you could still have any resenblance of rationality on you that hadn't be put to pudding from the shock. Shell shock would be the most believable and plausible reaction to such revelation. I'd like to see a TV show like this but in which the first and second episodes would be about the main character living in total paranoia and fear with the new knowneledge, and his progressive adaptation to his new world he now found himself in. THen he could start, slowly, getting to learn the ropes of the business and start some small scale ass kicking. But that would take a HBO type station to pull such thing off. Which is why HBO exists, anyway. My point is, supernatural shows like this where the heroes get mild reactions from the revelation of the existence of this devilish entities and they imediatly start kicking ass anoys me. I just can't get into it. Even fantasy needs some plausability.

  • And then i was sold. Yeah, the sets look liek sets, the production values betray the low budget, the special effects aren't all that special... and yet still the show won me over. Because of good writing, clever directing and, yes, damn good acting from a charismatic cast. Yeah, good acting from Buffy. All around. If you can't see that the show had good acting, i'm sorry for you. You have seen the wrong show.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Not so much a Preview as a Summary

    by reaper28

    Normally when I see the word "Spoilers" I think a couple of plot points might be revealed, not the entire bloody episode ... Oh well ... I'll give it a few eps to bed down, but even in that 'preview' I can see where the "more wooden that Routh" point comes from ... ouch!

  • Anybody who ever drove or owned a muscle car can tell that diring one of those is spending helf their driving time visiting gas stations. So, i wonder, how the brothers from Supernatural can affrod the gasoline bill? They are pratically bums, and yet keep on going from place to place all the time all the time. How can they afford the gas? They steal it? They sell drugs on their down time to get gas and ammo financing? They are millionaires and inherented from a very rich uncle? What the hell, man?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    re: supernatural gas

    by catparade

    its explained early on. they use fraudulent credit cards under fake names. also, im really enjoying season 6 and 7 of supernatural. its a fun show, goofy or not-as-good or whatever, id rather have it than not have it.

  • So not as wooden as Tom Welling then? (couldn't resist)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    What asimovlives said

    by bookant

    Ditto for me. I also had the knee-jerk reaction of assuming Buffy was a lame-ass teen girls show, and ignored it until it's 4th season. I gradually came to realize that all my scifi/fantasy loving friends, who I knew to have great taste and who's recomendations I could almost always trust, were all in love with the show. So I made a point to try it. One ep was all it took to make me a 100% comitted Buffy/Whedon geek. (For the other Whedon geeks reading this - that first ep that convinced me all assumptions about the show were wrong was "Fear Itself.")

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11 a.m. CST

    That was fun. Loved the "wink wink nods" to Germany.

    by whatevillurks

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Hey asimovlives

    by cairo

    I am not saying that Buffy did not "become" a great show it did but that took time , season one of Buffy was not that great, although that didnt stop me from watching the whole thing though

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    If we're talkiing about cheesy supernatural shows on alost networks

    by Mugato5150

    No love for Charmed? Like Buffy, which I never really got into, I wrote it off as a teen chick drama but then I watched and each show was just an excuse for hot ass Alyssa Milano, hotter ass Rose McGowan and sort of plain but still hot...um, the Other Girl get into various fetish outfits and rock the AfterEffects generated powers. Solid show. This show was crap.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    that should be "almost networks"

    by Mugato5150

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    GRIMM Premieres Huge for NBC

    by Dursman2000

    Granted it's NBC but these numbers are terrific. As for me I thought the pilot had potential and was extremely well-shot too. I bet they'll move it to a different night (Thursdays at 10pm seeing as PRIME SUSPECT has been a total flop?) with these type of ratings if they keep up. ----------------------------------- From DHD -- The drama drew a 2.1/6 fast national rating among adults 18-49 last night (6.5 million total viewers), which is certain to go up in the finals. It was by far the highest-rated NBC drama premiere this season and the highest-rated Friday non-sports telecast on any network since Dec. 31, 2010 (ABC’s New Year’s Rockin’ Eve). For NBC, it was the highest 18-49 rating in the Friday 9 PM slot in almost two years.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    People forget; Buffy took two seasons to find its feet.

    by yamayama

    Grimm has a lot of potential. They could make it more psychological (Is he going mad?) They could make it a David Fincher-esque "Se7en" type template where its not how they stop crime, but why the criminal is motivated to kill in the first place. They could even "Dead Zone" it , with lots of government politicians secretly being demons and monsters. (But that could a touchy plot write if the executives a sensitive about these things)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Re : yamayama All Shows Are Like That Now Days

    by Real Deal

    If people would only remember the Star Trek The Next Generation took almost 3 years to get it's stride. Most shows don't get a chance these days to find themselves. Look how different " Fringe " is now from the first season. Networks often cancel them before they get into their prime. There are exceptions like " Heroes " which recieved too many second chances. But the norm is the first season has only scratched the surface and sometimes they don't get a second. I hope that " Grimm " get it's chance to shine.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    cairo

    by AsimovLives

    The first season of Buffy is the silly introductory season. But right by season two it became far more sophisticated. i know it might seem strange to use the word sophisticated in relation to Buffy, but the truth is, it did. Some episodes were excidling clever. My favorite episodes was the one where the Scooby Doo Team all have a shared dream, and where the first slayer was introduced. The Giles part of theb dream way the highlight for me. The other great episode was The Body, which has to be one of the most sophisticated and daring thing ever put to american TV outside of HBO.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Wookie_weed - thank you!

    by DoctorTom

    Forever Knight was the show I was trying to remember! Substitute 'fables' for 'vampires' and you're not far off with your assessment. It was....okay I suppose, but certainly nothing to skip Fringe over. I suspect a large drop in the ratings next week when Grimm has to face Fringe instead of baseball.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Didn't suck

    by Ninja Nerd

    I liked it, in fact. As others have noted, neither Buffy nor Angel were that great their entire first seasons. If this thing lasts into next season (doubtful in these days of instant success is a must) it might turn out to be must watch TV. Did anyone else think that Chuck sucked giant rocks last night?

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5:43 p.m. CST

    No Buffy? That means it isn't overly "witty" with a terrible lead?

    by FrodoFraggins

    Buffy was shite. The only decent actors to come out of the show are Anthony Head and the chick that played Dexter's wife.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Herc, it's been 8 goddamn years.

    by Richard Cranium

    Seriously buddy, it's time to let Buffy go.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:43 p.m. CST

    So it's a modern version of the Brothers Grimm movie?

    by Wookie_Weed

    I would rather a Time Bandits rip off. ;-)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I feel bad for The Dresden Files

    by Wookie_Weed

    That deserved to be given a chance.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:41 a.m. CST

    AOL and Chicago-Sun-Times are the most accurate reviews

    by Wookie_Weed

    Especially the Chicago S-T's point about plot obstacles being overcome by a character conveniently announcing they have the necessary ability at just the right time. It's cheap writing, and for a pilot it doesn't bode well -- expect this plot device to get a lot worse and more predictable.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST

    re: how did the supernatural brothers pay for their gas and ammo

    by Wookie_Weed

    I always assumed the older brother pimped out the younger for quick cash. a bit like how harry uses nordling at aicn.

  • And yes, the pilot is better than the pilot episode of Buffy or Angel. Did Buffy or Angel get better, eventually, than this pilot episode was? Yeah, sure. Is it the best pilot of the new season? Well, no - but it's very, very close.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    horrible pilot

    by ls420

    bad acting really made it hard to focus on the plot. Hard to watch this crap when ive been watching BBC's The Fades

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Look, junior.

    by Hercules

    NBC invited the comparisons to "Buffy," not me. Every promo. And why did NBC invite these comparisons? Google the "best series of all time." Of. All. Time. Look at the lists published by Time, by Entertainment Weekly, by TV Guide, by every other TV critic on the planet. "Buffy" does not need my help. But it will continue to get it for the same reason "Twin Peaks" and "The Larry Sanders Show" do. Because it is awesome. "Buffy" does not grow less awesome because it went off the air nearly a decade ago. It grows MORE awesome as attempts to duplicate its artistic success continue to fail so miserably. Word to your mother.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Humming

    by MEWarren

    The one thing that really bothered me with the episode is when the cop mentioned that the suspect was "humming the same song", but they never even showed him humming it.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:36 a.m. CST

    frodofraggins

    by AsimovLives

    While i don't have the negative opinion you have of BUFFY, i do agree that the lead actress was, for me, the weakest point of the show, and the weakest actor of the cast. But all the other actors were quite good. special mention should go to Anthony Head and Allison Hannighan. In fact, i think Hannighan should had been Buffy.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:45 a.m. CST

    A rarity in here, but in this case i have to agree with hercules

    by AsimovLives

    Milk and cookies made him grow a brain today.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    solid start with potential

    by Pooter the Clown

    I really enjoyed it. In my teens, during my Stephen King phase, I remember really enjoying Twilight Eyes (the pre-formulaic Koontz book) and this really pushed some of the same buttons for me (i'm a sucker for personal nostalgia) Now on to a programming question/concern: I don't get the eagerness of networks to pit same against same. Why put Grimm against Fringe? This kamikaze programming looks like pure executive dick wagging, and we all lose because good shows end up beating each other to death. What ever happened to counter programming? There is so much shitty weeknight reality garbage to take advantage of with a show like this. Why split the already thin Friday night audience. Throw Grimm up against "Dancing with People I Don't Care About" on Tuesdays. Give me something to watch while the sensible shoe crowd is getting their mediocrity fix.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Buffy has maintained a fanbase because

    by angry kitty

    as a series there was willingness to take creative risk. The show ran the gambit from campy fun, to teenage angst, to gut-wrenching drama. I would hold up the 5th season entry "The Body" against any of the usual dreck being spit out by the networks today.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Buffy, Angel, Supernatural all started out lame

    by David Cloverfield

    They all turned out awesome. I fell asleep during Grimm's pilot, but i'll check back in a frw weeks.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    On that note

    by David Cloverfield

    Last week's Supernatural was awesome. I love the modern, corporate monsters.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    peter_bishops_popped_collar

    by AsimovLives

    Ouch!!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Well that was shit!

    by CeejayNightwing

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by FrodoFraggins

    I've never seen Allison play anything other than one type of character, which seems to be herself. But she seems to be the most successful of the bunch since Buffy was cancelled.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by NIGHTWINGKEN

    I fail to understand why we can't have a talk back here for this show?

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST

    About the demons, I figured he thought he was halucinating

    by Drath

    And was hoping it was just some bad fish the night before. Dunno, I enjoyed this and it kept my interest the whole way through--as in the OPPOSITE of boring. Boring would be most procedurals I've tried to watch, even the new Hawaii 5-O. I don't think the Buffy comparison works, but I don't feel the show deserves to be "put in its place" so much either. It seems like good TV, I hope it will materialize into something good, particularly since Fringe seems marked for death. The lead guy looks like he should be playing Superman.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    there is something otherwordly about the guys facde

    by David Cloverfield

    Like he is designed, but not in a boy band pretty boy way. There are a few actors with cartoon faces, like poor James Mardsen, who's forever cast as Pretty Obstacle To Overcome or Brandon Routh the Bargain Bin Superhero. (Both of whom are pretty talented, but will be forever cast like these thanks to the unsettling perfection of their faces.)

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Dresden Files

    by djtelesca

    Just wanted to agree about Dresden... Wish that show had been given more time and budget.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Another 'Fables' ripoff

    by badmojojojo

    Obviously Hollywood is stuck on another genre trend on the proposed 'Fables' TV adaptation. A shame that the alumni of such great tv shows as Buffy and Angel cannot work with better talent, or better writers.

  • Maybe it will get better but that episode was like fan fiction. The sort of thing you read on here by some angry fan of a cancelled show regarding how they would "fix" the show or the "best way to continue the story".