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Albert Finney Joins BOND 23!

Nordling here.

Looks like the Jason Bourne and James Bond franchises now have a common link, other than their initials - Albert Finney has joined the cast, according to Playlist.  His character is M's (Judi Dench) superior, and there is certain to be clashes between them.

Albert Finney has not been in films much of late due to health issues, but it's nice to see him come back, especially to a Bond film.  The cast for this one is exemplary - we get Javier Bardem, Ralph Fiennes, and of course, Daniel Craig returning.  After the disappointment that was QUANTUM OF SOLACE, Bond 23, whatever the title ends up being, is looking really great with Sam Mendes at the helm.  If Finney grabs a tommy gun and starts plowing QUANTUM agents to the music of "Danny Boy," this will become the perfect movie.

Nordling, out.

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  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST

    When is this coming out?

    by mosif

    It has been ages since the last Bond. Why so long between films?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Albert Finney always a good decision.

    by Secretagentnumber6

    The guy is top notch and awesome to boot.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Am I the only person on AICN who actually enjoyed Quantum?

    by Pitofbenders

    I guess so...

  • And rightly so- that is a level of awesome that only 3 or 4 human beings, let alone screen actors, has ever achieved. Albert Einstein is somewhere below this in the top 10.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Why so long between films?

    by Bass Ackwards

    Because MGM is a bunch of fuck ups and almost went bankrupt, the same thing that continually delayed The Hobbit and forced Guillermo del Toro to finally move on to something else.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by Secretagentnumber6

    You are not. I quite liked it. I think the problem was that is was not as high quality as Casino Royale, and therefore everyone thought it was bad. It was not bad it was good, just not great. Of course that is just my opinion.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by 8footTallGopher

    nope you're not It's highly underrated. I think it get's knocked so hard because, compared to Casino Royale, it doesn't have the magic of being reintroduced to the Bond universe. But on it's own its a pretty great Action/Bond film

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by TDH1138

    No, I liked it too. My BIGGEST gripe though is had Quantum been SPECTRE and Blofeld was somehow introduced into the ending, it would have elevated it much higher.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Albert Finney: the third best Scrooge


    ...after Alastair Sim and George C. Scott. Man, I'm glad to live in a world in which this man still lives. Thought he kicked it years ago...

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by Ed

    I agree with secretagent. Not a bad movie, just not near as good as Casino Royale. And it didn't really have the "feel" of a typical Bond movie. Felt more like a Jason Bourne movie. Hope they get back to the gadgets, locales, and villains that make Bond films so fun, minus the camp and stupid action of the previous films.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    pitofbenders. Choppy editing aside I liked Quantum

    by Quake II

    I liked the slick 60's look of Quantum Of Solace from the wardrobe to the sets. I also thought the action sequences were all solid but terribly edited. The main villian was weak but overall I rank it in my top 5 for Bond films. The Haitian hotel room fight was about as realistic and brutal as I've ever seen in a Bond film. And Kurylenka Olyenka (whatever) is one of the hottest Bond girls ever.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by TheMarineBiologist

    I absolutely loved it as well...<p> Yeah, I understand the complaint that it is essentially just a quick epilogue to Casino Royale, but I like that shit. Granted, I also liked Pirates 2 and 3, so my opinion doesn't usually mesh up well with others.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Ok cool

    by Pitofbenders

    Because seriously, whenever Bond is mentioned, Quantum get's shit on by just about everyone on here. I really liked it, saw it in theaters too. The continuation from Casino Royal I thought was good, gave a sense of connection between two Bond films, which rarely happens. Sure there are familiar characters that show up, but you don't ever really have a cohesive plot thread running through two films. I own all the Bond films and like all of them. Sure some are better than others, but they all have their charms to be sure. I can't wait for another one, and this one's looking to be pretty great from the sound of it.

  • just a thought...

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST

    If you haven't seen The Dresser, RECTIFY THAT IMMEDIATELY!!!


    One of THE GREATEST film performances ever! Must revisit it soon, myself. Also, Finney was no slouch in Huston's Under the Volcano either. Both are MUST SEE! And not just for fans of Albert Finney.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Quake ii

    by Pitofbenders

    I agree about the villain, I was let down by his lameness, but yeah the new Bond films get pretty brutal, shows that Bond takes the punches, makes it look more believable, which I like.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed QOS too

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I haven't seen it since release however, need to see it again to form a solid opinion. Glad to see Brian Cox is in the new Bond film.

  • Can't stand Dench as M. I know I'm in the minority on this. But, I feel like they should have just made a clean break with the reboot and keeping Dench unnecessarily ties it to the previous Bronson Bond.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST

    QUANTUM OF SOLACE was a "disappointment"?

    by torontoxic

    lol um no not at all actually. Red state was a disappointment. Attack the Block was overhyped and then disappointing. QUANTUM OF SOLACE was quite good.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Karaoke / cold lazarus

    by tomdolan04

    The final works of Dennis Potter starring Finney is underrated and well worth checking out <p> Sure bits of lazarus are hokey but as a body of drama / sci fi its as ambitious as the come and the concept of Karaoke in context of Lazarus is mind bending

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Oh ffs use a picture from Under the Volcano

    by torontoxic

    That's his best work.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    LOL, the guy who directed The Dresser directed Krull the same year


    Peter Yates Now, that's range as a director.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Quantum of Solace was quite GOOD I thought!

    by Dogmatic

    The action of it was a little better than Casino Royale even though I liked CR a little more. It served a great purpose as a high-octane low complication of plot shortest Bond film ever follow up to CR...the first Bond movie to LITERALLY follow up its predecessor. I LOVED the "dogfight" between the fighter jet and Bond in the cargo jet....I only saw it once and that scene still sticks in my head....loved the ending too as Bond completed his transformation to cold, calculating not letting emotion in the way Bond.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Finney - Smaug and Churchill -

    by MisterBlue

    Finney is one of the best - I enjoy him in almost anything. I thought he should have been the voice of Smaug actually - listen to his voice at the end of Ocean's 12 (you can skip the rest of the movie) - he would have been great. His film "The Gathering Storm" is an AMAZING portrayal of Churchill - there is no other performer who has nailed Winston like this. The director brought in the real Churchill's only living daughter, Lady Soames, to get her thoughts - she said too many people have missed the mark, but when she saw Finney she started crying and said "Thats my Father." Take a look -

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    quanum was fun

    by ComSamVimes

    But like someone said, it was the action scenes that were badly edited. The action set pieces themselves were really cool. They just weren't done in an exciting way. Otherwise, the movie is all right.

  • Still can't believe Bond didn't tap that. Roger Moore is rolling in his grave.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    QoS not as good as Casino Royale, but what is??

    by performingmonkey

    CR easily makes it to the top 5 Bond movies, probably top 3. Craig was the best Bond since Connery. Sans Connery, there have only been 4 decent Bond flicks - OHMSS, The Living Daylights, Goldeneye and Casino Royale. Everything else they can keep.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    In terms of kicking butt, ho would win of the JBs?

    by BubbaDestructo

    James Bond Jason Bourne Jack Bauer Discuss.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I agree with Nordling- Quantum was garbage

    by krabklaw

    I'm surprised that so many people here are sticking up for it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST

    QoS was Stupid I'll Never Watch it Again

    by Autodidact

    It's the Bond film that could most easily be from another series. The way every cubic foot of the factory at the end seemed to be packed with explosive gases really bothered me. How about a bond movie where there isn't a double-agent, mole, or ex-spy as a "twist"?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    Said it before, I'll say it again:

    by Kremzeek

    QoS is GREAT when you watch it as the 2nd half of CR. If you didn't like QoS, do yourself a favor: Watch CR. Cut it just when the credits start to roll at the end. Bust out QoS and watch it immediately following. I'm not guaranteeing you'll suddenly love it now, but I'd bet money most of you will actually appreciate it and at least enjoy it more than you did initially. The film works remarkably well as the 2nd part of a greater whole, esp given how much shorter it is than CR. The only thing I won't vouch for is the shitty Bournesque "action" cuts. I hate when I can't see what the hell is going on.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I almost forgot Strawberry Fields


    How could I forget the lovely Gemma Arterton? Asimovlives is gonna kick my ass.

  • That's what appeared to happen when the WTC went down.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:08 p.m. CST

    @ bubbadestructo

    by Quackfu

    Which Bond? I give Bourne the edge over Bauer. But a Daniel Craig Bond over Bourne.....I think. Spider-Man would kick all their asses though. That's for sure.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by Quackfu

    Come on now. You aren't one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Loved Casino Royale, didn't like Quantum of Solace

    by Tacom

    I don't really know what it is specifically but overall it just disappointed me.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Albert Finney in Big Fish


    I can never watch that movie again because of him. I get all kinds of emotional just thinking about it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST

    quackfu, absolutely not


    What I'm saying is that maybe the splosions at the end of QOS ain't all that unrealistic.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST

    It's regretable that I know him best as Daddy Warbucks

    by bah

    But even then, he's awesome.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by Quackfu

    Whew, had us all a bit concerned. Hey wasn't the building supposed to be loaded with hydrogen or something?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Choppah: Gemma Art


    Agent Fields, as portrayed by Gemma Arterton, was the best thing about the confusing (imo) QOS. However, question: Is she ever, in the film, in the credits, in the media kit, anywhere... referred to as "Strawberry" Fields? No to my knowledge, but then, my knowledge is limited. I understand that's now become her moniker, but, where on earth did this come from?! Does anyone know?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST

    bah, go rent The Dresser tonight


    I'm not fooling around. Albert Finney is amazing in it. If you love great acting you have to see it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST



    IMDB has the character listed as Strawberry Fields. And I believe that Bond makes a joke about her name. And I remember Dench referring to her as Miss Fields. Ironically, Strawberry Fields ain't forever, because she gets killed. Even more ironically, Connery's Bond makes a joke about listening to the Beatles without ear muffs.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by Kremzeek

    It's an assumed in-joke due to her red hair.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Sry, I was addressing Marcel, not Da Choppah =)

    by Kremzeek

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Loved QUANTUM, and loved its opening theme.

    by ROBRAM89

    Fuck everybody.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST



    Hmmm... thanks for the response. Your Bond Kung Fu is obviously better than mine. However, I don't recall Bond making the Strawberry joke about her name. I do know she's intro'd as Agent Fields. Never thought to check imdb, silly me. Speaking of listening to the Beatles without ear muffs, Bond gets crushed by Lennon's karmic wheel for saying that when he's taken out by Korean henchman Oddjob. On another interesting note -- ever notice Bond's had trouble with Koreans, who've managed to either knock him out or imprison him for a significant length of time?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to see who Bond DOESN'T screw in the next movie


    Craig gets the least play of any Bond.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Kremzeek


    Yes, I do know it's because of her strawberry hair, but I didn't know it was official, via imdb. Also, loved the way her death is an homage to Shirley Eaton's demise.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Loved the villain's evil lair in Quantum


    "Welcome to my hotel in the middle of nowhere. Try not to sneeze, or you might set off the explosions."

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I liked Quantum, better than Casino

    by coz

    Casino just pissed me off, shit the old David Niven one was better than that

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Loved the memorable henchman he fights in Quantum


    You know... that one guy with the... uh... you know... he had the... well he was very ill tempered.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST

    pitofbenders, I liked Quantum too

    by david starling

    It was probably the most different Bond in quite a long time. If you watch the Bond movies carefully, they go through transitional changes, and this was by far the most sudden, if you will. I would hope, that even if they don't repeat it with Bond 23, then they at least take elements from it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Can't wait ...

    by reaper28

    to see him in Bond chewing M a new one ... erm, so to speak ... All this talk about QoS makes me want to watch it again ... Gonna go what kremzeek suggests and watch em one after the other ...

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST

    I have seen Big Fish and Miller's Crossing also

    by bah

    But my daughter loves Annie. So Warbucks it is.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I didn't dislike "Quantum" because I like "Casino" better

    by Peter David

    I disliked it because I couldn't follow visually what the hell was going on. People likened the editing to the Bourne films, but those, I had no trouble following the action. "Quantum" seemed like it was edited with a salad shooter. PAD

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    So long as its not another Moonraker...

    by HB_Dad

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by Kremzeek

    Definitely try it out. I can't take credit for the idea, though. Initially, when QoS hit theatres, I was lukewarm to it. But Bill Hunt over at DigitalBits recommended in his review to watch the 2 films back-to-back for better enjoyment. For me, this completely changed my opinion on QoS. As I said, I can't guarantee it will work exactly in the same way for you, but it's worth a shot. So, I recommend this to everyone now. Enjoy. I'd be curious to know if it helped at all.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:25 p.m. CST

    We are school teachers on sabbatical...

    by Embeedeuce

    ...who have won the lottery.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST

    maybe it'd work the other way around too

    by coz

    if I watch Casino and Quantum back to back, will it make me like Casino? worth a shot I suppose

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hah, not sure Wrath

    by Kremzeek

    I'd be really curious to see what that does for you, haha.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    We need a mexican M called Ñ.

    by Ricardo

    "Senor Bond! Te quiero!"

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Everyone knows it was Brian Cox.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Rolling in grave?

    by Clockwork Taxi

    Was he buried alive? Roger Moore still walks the earth.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    It's been said before, but they're turning James Bond into James Bourne


    BIG FUCKING MISTAKE. As Choppah's satire hints at: Give us the over the top henchman, with the steel teeth or the mechanical arm, and the over the top villain with his lair in a volcano, or leagues beneath the sea. It doesn't have to be Die Another Day. It can be like the best Bond, ever: The Spy Who Loved Me. Give us back the suave, witty, resourceful Bond who overcomes the more powerful Big Bad and henchman with his wits and his resourcefulness, not his super Royal Navy Savate shit. Love Daniel Craig, but don't love that his Bond is slowly becoming Bourne-lite. Keep Bond Bond!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    M's immediate superior should be the Foreign Secretary.

    by Royston Lodge

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MI:6 report directly to Cabinet?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Giving M a boss shows that M has been overexposed.

    by Royston Lodge

    They've really overexposed M since Goldeneye. M is supposed to be somewhat mysterious, opaque, and especially officious. Since they've given Dench's M so much exposure, they need to give M a boss in order to restore the "mysterious, officious superior". M should be the sort of character one could imagine in BOTH a James Bond story AND a George Smiley story. I cannot imagine Judy Dench's M being interchangeable with Control, you know what I mean?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by durhay

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Also, I really REALLY wish they'd make Brian Cox the next M.

    by Royston Lodge

    That would be so ... fucking ... funny.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Loved Casino Royale, and really liked Quantum of Solace.

    by Saracen1

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Let's not forget "Looker"

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    and "Wolfen". Dresser, Volcano, Miller's Crossing, Annie, Tom Jones, Duelists, Big Fish, Orient Express, Breakfast of Champions... Something for everybody in there...the guy's body of work is awesome. I think Wolfen is the only one we don't have on the shelf..

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:06 p.m. CST

    So now they're using the Bourne cast.

    by RedLeaderStandingBy

    Why not Damon as the long lost Bond's brother?

  • and utterly pointless.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    amen nordling

    by alexander

    Can't decide whether Quantum of Solace or Twilight in the same space of a month was more thoroughly depressing to watch, (but of the top of my head it goes to Quantum because I should have known with Twilight and only had myself to blame), however with Sam Mendes it's very likely this could top Casino and be the Bond movie I've been waiting for a long long time.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by LargoJr

    Gotta love Gregory Hines in 'Wolfen' "A GOD DAMN CANUS LUPIS HAIR" *yank!*

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    QoS was okay, but one thing is clear

    by lochkray

    Love it or hate it or somewhere in between, everybody LOATHES the bourne-esque jumpy editing style. Please, no more. Bond has been kicking ass for nearly fifty years. Being able to tell what is going on in the fights was never a problem during all of that time.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by Keith

    No, I quite liked QoS too. I'm not quite sure why so many people were so heavily down on it. One thought that occurred to me was that people might have objected to it not being a self-contained story. It was very apparent to me that QoS was "New Bond, Episode 2". It was like watching the second installment of a really big budget mini-series. In starts in media res (or would appear to do so for anyone who hadn't seen Casino Royale), and it ends without a clear resolution. I didn't mind that at all.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, but I agree that...

    by Keith

    [SPOILERS] ...they shouldn't have offed Gemma Arterton. It didn't really add to the story. Could have had her injured and it would have been a perfectly equivalent plot mechanic.

  • For YEARS, the Bond movies never took advantage of the enormous potential Mathis represented as a character. I was SO happy when the new Bond flicks finally seemed to elevate Mathis to the level he deserved. And then they killed him. Cough. I would have loved to see Bond, Mathis, and Felix team up to storm the Quantum secret bunker, only to discover a wheelchair, a monacle, and a fluffy white cat.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    royston, you are totally right about M


    they made her too much physically involved into the plots to the point where she got kidnapped in the Bronson films and villains had personal vendettas against her. Nobody should even know M freaking exists! At this point, I hate everything about Dench's M. And I'm not blaming it on the always excellent Dame Judy. I blame it on how the writers have decided to write the character. And the decision to bring Dench over into the reboot.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST

    The biggest testament to the failure of QoS


    Does anyone at this point give a crap about what the Quantum group is? We should all be chomping at the bit to find out what's up with this mysterious Illuminati-esque secret society and yet, meh.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Quantum love

    by Neosamurai85

    Yeah, like many, I did have issues with it, but overall I liked it quite a bit too.

  • I do. I'm damned curious if it's SPECTRE-IN-EVERYTHING-BUT-NAME, or something else entirely. In the post-Cold War era, Bond needs a new, big, mysterious villain, other than "muslims" or "corporations" or "Americans", etc. I do, indeed, want to see where they are going with this Quantum thing. And I really, really, hope that they bring back the fluffy white cat.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    QoS's biggest problem was its Director

    by ZoeFan

    Giving the reins of an actioneer like the Bond franchise to a director who basicly hadn't filmed one action scene in his career is mind boggling. I can't watch QoS now without getting a headache and lost in the scene. That film has more cuts than a deli.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Also, bring back Admiral Roebuck!

    by Royston Lodge

    If yer gonna have Judy Dench, you might as well have Geoffrey Palmer as well. They're a matched set!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    F**k Yeah! That Is All.

    by Kevin Rubio

    Return to work browsing.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The opera scene was very artfully done


    barring that, the direction sucked. Also hated the Fringe-esque location titles

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    the_choppah - about Dench as M


    i guess it could mean Craig Bond is a totally different guy to Brosnan Bond (the old James Bond is a code name thing...) but i agree, having Dench as M in CR made zero sense - like having the old Alfred from Batman 1-4 in Batman M in the Casino Royale novel was a dude and Dench as M in Goldeneye was kind of a knee jerk reaction to a woman being appointed as the real life M …time to move on… some great male actor like Finney shouldve been cast in CR - there was so many to choose from, Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, T Stamp, BRIAN COX, M Caine (Harry Palmer as M), Hopkins, Holm, Hurt, Gambon, Kingsey… even Dalton!(which wouldve also fueled the fun speculation of each bond being a different dude) For Bond 24 they really need an M with some balls!

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I *loved* that they brought M into the plot in TWINE

    by bah

    Fleming's "The Man With the Golden Gun" opens with Bond having been brainwashed to assassinate M, so it's not without precedence. Gardner went even further with it -- I thought he was going to killoff M at one point.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Totally agree about the opera house scene. Arguably the single most beautiful image in the history of the franchise: a non-hierarchical neural-net enemy, not a guy with a white cat. Against such a thing, what MIGHT work is chaos in human form, the barely-leashed sociopath called Bond, controlled only by his love of England in the form of maternal affection for a woman called "M." But other than that single scene, Quantum was undercooked, badly directed, with a totally un-threatening villain. Here they have the most physically impressive Bond ever, and they can't seem to give him an "Oddjob"or a "Red Grant"or a "Jaws" or even a "Mr. Kil" to tax him? Better come correct next time, dammit.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    And yeah, I'm all about continuing to explore Quantum

    by bah

    We've wanting for a new SPECTRE for 30 years now.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Only 4 good Bond movies sans SC? WTF?

    by BackwardGalaxy

    Dude, re-watch... QoS is better when viewed on the small screen and with some perspective. It's still not a great movie, but I hated it after seeing it in theaters. Now that I own it, I've watched it a couple of more times and actually sort of like it. It is still in my bottom half of Bond films, but it's not Octopussy bad.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    Totally right that QoS looks better on the small screen. On the big screen, some of those action scenes were incomprehensible, and I had a sense of exhaustion: "not another fucking action scene!" something I'd never ever thought in a Bond before. I wanted them to slow down and make me care about the characters. Yuck.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Also agree about Dench's M

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Ditch the bitch. She should have never been a part of the Craig films.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Octopussy oddness

    by Hipshot

    Anyone else notice that most of the movie takes place in India, but there are like, no Indian women in it for Bond to mess with? WTF? Did the Indian government forbid it or something?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    QoS good: at the opera; fight with Mitchell

    by kabong

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST

    QoS bad: too much of M "relationship"

    by kabong

    Don't let them make Finney's character an M ex-lover. <p> Sheesh. <p> It's not that small an island.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I liked Quantum Of Solace

    by matthooper8

    Not anywhere near Casino Royale, but I liked it. I think Craig is the best Bond ever so maybe I'm biased.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:13 p.m. CST

    The only real problem with QoS

    by mascan42

    was the way it was edited. It felt like all the character development was left on the cutting room floor, resulting in the shortest Bond film ever.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Choppa re: Straberry Fields

    by Histeria

    "Is she ever, in the film, in the credits, in the media kit, anywhere... referred to as "Strawberry" Fields? No to my knowledge, but then, my knowledge is limited. I understand that's now become her moniker, but, where on earth did this come from?! " She is listed as Strawberry Fields in the closing credits of the film. They simply never use her first name in the film's dialogue.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Quantum of Solace was a "disappointment"

    by scott spivey

    Umm.. Personally I felt it was great bond movie, as a stand alone maybe not so much but it was basically continuing CR's story so I don't understand whats up with it being a disappointment other than it was short. WTF?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Quick! Someone hum the theme to QoS, "Another Way To Die"


    I rest my case.

  • I like fights. <p> So keep that in mind.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    So they're bringing Brosnan back right?

    by Mugato5150

    Or are we in for another Bourne movie with British accents?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Quatum of Solace was no Casino Royale, but it was okay

    by Keith Small

    I agree with those who made a point of the badly edited action scenes and the weak villain, but Quantum was still a step above most post-Connery Bond films, especially the Roger Moore-era flicks. Mostly because of Craig, who makes for a fine, gritty, believable Bond. I was skeptical when he was first announced as Brosnan's replacement, but CR erased all my doubts. And I think he continued to impress in Quantum, which was admittedly a weaker film than CR. I'm hoping Bond 23 is closer in quality to CR than Quantum.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Coppa re: range as a director

    by SnootyBoots

    Here's one. John Guillermin directed both TARZAN GOES TO INDIA and SHAFT IN AFRICA.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:32 p.m. CST

    I think the head of Quantum should be Scott Bakula

    by Peter David

    Or is that too much of a leap? PAD

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    QOS is missing like 30 minutes of movie

    by nostairway

    That's because it was rushed through production due to the strike. Most Bond movies are around two hours long. The condensed nature of the film keeps it from feeling like a Bond film, at least to me. It needed more time to develop the plot.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    f**k yeah, ripping yarn kev_rubio and P A D

    by alexander

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    The only real problem with QOS

    by Mattman

    was everything.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    The end of Casino Royale would have made a great opening to QoS

    by murray_hamilton

    Royale is too long by twenty minutes, Quantum too short by twenty. And by the time Quantum hit theaters, nobody even remembered who Vesper was. It's still a good movie though; I liked it.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:03 p.m. CST

    M has a boss? Yer freakin' kidding me!

    by Al

    M only answers to the prime-minster and/or Her Majesty herself. And only then, maybe. Sure some clashing will give Dench some chance to chew some scenery, something she's definitely good at, but I never thought M got bossed around. M is the boss. Also, PAD's joke rocked.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I wonder what Lawrence of Arabia would have been like

    by successor

    if they got Finney to plan Lawrence like they originally planned instead of Peter O'Toole.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Will Finney's headquarters be


    under the volcano?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Has there ever been a Bond movie with so many stars?


    Other than MOONRAKER, of course.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Since I was a lad. I see this man. I sing...

    by UltraTron

    A pretty face reflected in a mirror So perfect in every way With every move The picture's getting clearer She's got it all She's got it made But when she smiles Is she really smilin' She's the only one who really knows Emerald eyes so cool And so inviting--hide the side She never shows She's a looker That's what they say She's got it all She's got it made She's a looker With a beautiful face Always on display The magazines always show her smilin' So perfect in every way But in the night I hear a young girl cryin' She's got it all She's got it made She's a looker That's what they say She's got it all She's got it made She's a looker With a beautiful face Always on display See the face reflected in a mirror With every move the picture's getting clearer She walks into a room People stop and stare But she just looks away As if she didn't care She's a looker That's what they say She's got it all She's got it made She's a looker With a beautiful face Always on display

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by peter skellen

    Is everyone here about 15 years old or something. Quantum of Solace is one of the WORST films ever made. It's like watching the rushes of a 1980s Cannon film. They should have all been arrested for that theme song alone. I'm the slick trigger finger for her Majesty indeed. John Barry, Ian Fleming and Cubby Broccoli must be spinning in their graves watching these pretentious idiots trying to make Bond films with their shortarse mumbling Putin lookalike leading man.

  • The first thing you should know.. Is that we have people everywhere.. Am I right?

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:01 p.m. CST

    The Thingy Of Whatsis / The Something Of Boris

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    I've Written It Down / I'll Remember It Now

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    So Bond is headed for New York City...

    by bre32 learn that he did agree to commit to this program? Bond would be so much more exciting if we had some new producers at the helm. Broccoli and Wilson only have one strategy when it comes to this series: See what's popular, then try to copy it. Hard to believe that this franchise once helped set a standard for both the genre and pop culture.

  • Oct. 28, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    "nobody even remembered who Vesper was"


    Speak for yourself, Leonard Shelby. (You probably don't remember who that is either.)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    I'm In

    by ass clown

    Daniel Craig and Sam Mendes equals one sold ticket. For those of you looking for non-stop boom boom, I have a feeling menses is gonna slow thing down a bit and put together a legit story. If that's not your style and you miss your Michael bay explosions and your McG soundtrack, fuck you. Idiocracy may not be a great movie, but it's subject matter is dead on accurate. For proof, I will point to exhibit A, Paranormal Activity 3's box office numbers. Shame on all of you that paid to see it. You are killing the movie industry and I hate you. Unless you took a girl and got a hummer after, then I forgive you.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:55 a.m. CST

    I give QOS a B


  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    I want a quantum of solace, but no more than a quantum

    by Keith

    I know they do big bags of solace, But I don't want 'em.

  • Anybody saw the movie THE BROWNING VERSION? He's fantastic in it.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:54 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I enjoyed QUANTUM OF SOLACE quite a lot... whenever the shaky-cam as off.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:58 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Saved by the bell.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:03 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Returning to the Rum Diaries subject and about the super-lovely Amber Heard, you should check her out in ALL THE BOYS LOVE MANDY LANE.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:38 a.m. CST

    goddam kid's just like a twist

    by goatboy500

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 5 a.m. CST

    Love QoS...

    by AnalFissure

    ...not quite as much as CR, but for me it's right up there with best of the Bond series.

  • Excellent piece of casting. This film better not piss away such an awesome cast with another crap peice of storytelling like QOS. Listen here, Wilson, Broccoli, Purvis, Wade, and listen good - Casino Royale is the way forward. NOT Quantum of Solace, exploding hotels and French dudes hoarding FUCKING WATER!!!!! Classic Finney stuff - The Green Man (awesome ghost story) and The Gathering Storm, where he played Churchill.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Brian Cox

    by warsinthesun

    Holy fuck, Brian Cox actually has some relevance in this talkback. He would make a superb M.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Okay, will someone please tell me...

    by Peter David

    Why the hell Brian Cox has become a running joke on AICN? Is it because people don't think he's a good actor? Is it just because his name is Cox? Is that where the so-called merriment derives from? What's the deal? PAD

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST

    QOS had to grow on me w/repeat viewings

    by BoyNamedSue

    Obviously, it doesn't hold a candle to CR, but I liked it a little better the second time, given what I knew not to expect. CR was one of the best Bond movies ever made (up there with Spy Who Loved Me, Goldfinger, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service), so there was nowhere to go but least it wasn't awful like Die Another Day......but I will say that better editing could have improved QOS dramatically.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:19 a.m. CST

    What's with all the QOS love?

    by donkey_lasher

    Most of you were slagging it off as worst Bond ever, and complaining about it's similarity with the Bourne series. Now you're embracing it like a long lost hated stepchild. I liked it, and saw it for what it was. A transitional story between CR and the next Bond film.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    The Broccolis have to STOP hiring non-action directors for Bond films

    by BoyNamedSue

    The main problem with Bond films the past 20 years has been the Broccoli family hiring directors who only have experience directing serious dramatic films (Gorillas In The Mist, Monster's Ball) and comedy (City Slickers) to direct Bond pictures, which clearly suffer as a result......The best two Bond films in the past 20 years (Goldeneye, Casino Royale) were both Martin Campbell movies. He clearly is the best person to direct all of these, but he's not interested in that......I really enjoyed Sam Mendes' Road to Perdition, so I have faith in Bond 23......I also say Pierce Brosnan was a good Bond who was disserviced by lousy scripts/wrong directors.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Mr. White's fate should have been a mystery after the end of CR

    by BoyNamedSue

    After seeing CR, in my mind, Bond tortured and killed White after getting the info he, with QOS, White got away and gave Bond nothing....will we see him again in Bond 23?

  • Now turns out, with a Bond film, that's actually a pretty big fucking problem, especially when it comes to the action setpieces, but outside of that, the film works well as a direct sequel. If only it had been directed and edited by someone, ooh, I don't know, competent maybe, then it would have been a much better loved film. The lesson, for the coke addled Broccoli's up the back, is not to hire directors for Bond who don't have proven action sequence credential. Or if you do, get a first rate second unit action team as well, and then make sure the director doesn't fuck it all up in the editing suite.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST

    QoS vs LTK - which is the best "Revenge Bond?"


    both the 2nd outing for the more serious/closer to the books Bond both out the same year as a joker starring Batman movie and Indys supposed last adventure. i prefer LTK. it didnt have any Bourne style shit

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    "the disapointment that was Quantum"???

    by TheBigFuckinLebowski

    I didn't know it was a disapointment! I loved the movie! The first real assignment for the rookie James Bond: He doesn't understand what he's doing, looking for a clue, killing his leads, thumbling on the path, mistaken identities, finally finding Quantum by chance... What I loved about Quantum was that it was as confusing as all the other Bonds' plots, but for once, Bond was as confused as us, not always three steps ahead like before (which is logical, since he's a rookie and doesn't have the experience Sean Connery's Bond had to begin with). Great bond movie. No disapointment at all to me.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST

    CR, QOS, Bourne, Brosnan, and sharks with frickin' laser beams...

    by Bloodhound

    For me Casino Royale was a fairly good starter, but there were quite a few weak points, as when Bond was bested a few times, and having your balls whacked like that is never a good look for a hero. I really liked Quantum Of Solace quite a lot, so many things seemed to gel together more. Is a (PC, non-extremist) megalomaniac bent on worldwide domination really so much out of whack with our time? If not, I'd love to see a truly big, old school villain in an upcoming film. The Bourne films are a more hard-core, serious series than Bond, of course. At the end of the day, after three films, would it be so bad to see Bourne/Webb crack a grim smile when he's finally beaten his foes? I understand that they're completely different animals, but the Bourne franchise didn't/or doesn't have to end up as a one-note, joyless outing. Kind of reminded me of when I tried to take up reading the other Dune books: the unrelenting self-serious dourness soon became tiring, for me at least. And on TV it seems that just about every interminable action-based drama series requires cardboard cutout cast shots of cardboard cutout characters brooding and scowling out at us. Yeah, high-minded, ruthless, driven individuals shape this vale of tears in which we live, but let's lighten up a little from time to time, for Bond's sake! A few fewer CSI:Clonetown detectives and a few more Nicholas Angels would certainly make my televisual viewing more interesting! And Brosnan, he really looked the part of Bond, but he was saddled with some of the most god-awful scripts of the whole franchise. The heavy-handed attempts at humour become painfully more evident as time goes by, as does the soft-on nature of the action. So, mix up some Bourne edge and brutality together with some old school Bond megalomania, throw in a well-earned, well-timed wisecrack or two, and the future might bode well for Mr Bond and his future incarnations. Oh, yeah, and piranhas. We don't see nearly enough piranhas in Bond films nowadays. It's strange how we're all so sophisticated that our Bond villains can't have piranhas, but some mugs in Hollowwood shell out enough cash for Mike Myers to have his sharks with frickin' laser beams... Go figure, as you Americans would say :)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    The Problem with Quantum

    by Sunhawk7

    Is also the problem with a lot of movies these days. They intentionally confuse the geography of a scene during an action sequence and it is edited so fast with close-cuts that you aren't able to follow it. It actually doesn't make a lot of sense because it wasn't put together for you to be able to follow it. The scenes then become an assault rather than a memorable action moment. I've grown to like QoS more over time, but my first viewing was a major disappointment. I don't like the type of pacing and rhythm they showed. It was all one speed that would appeal to an MTV damaged viewer with ADD.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I left the h out of Choppa above.

    by SnootyBoots

    Hope he's not offended.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Quantum has perhaps the worst action in the history of bond films.

    by UltraTron

    Except for the absolute tits straight up murder of that one quantum agent it's nothing but shakey shit. However the plot gets props for exposing that we're only in afghanistan for the trillion dollars in lithium.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Quantum of Solace or Licence to Kill?

    by lochkray

    No question: L2K Timothy Dalton was such a missed opportunity for the Bond franchise. Delays over rights tied up the movies until Dalton lost interest. What a shame. Daniel Craig is a fine Bond. But QoS definitely lands in the bottom 25% of Bond movies - and for me, it was the action set pieces that ruined it (except for the rope-dangling/collapsing-scaffolding sequence, that was cool. The chase leading up to it? Crap). L2K is somewhere in the middle of the pack. For me, anyway.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    People can LOVE the story as much as they want

    by ZoeFan

    Guess what? Movies are a visual medium. So if you can't decipher what is going on (as I mentioned above, I get headaches / lost in scenes) who cares how good the story is.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Quantum knife fight

    by Hipshot

    Is beautifully choreographed and executed. One of the best fight scenes in Bond history--not QUITE ruined by the editing (the Red Grant train fight is also quite choppy in FRWL). If we'd known that fighter, if Bond had had interactions with him, and there had been more at stake, I suspect the audience would have erupted into applause. Damn. We have a Bond who can do action like THAT, and then not let us see it clearly? What bullshit.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Bond and Steed again


    i forgot Fiennes played Steed in The Avengers with Connery (which, if im not mistaken, would mark the 5th Avenger in Bond? - Blackman in GF, Rigg/Lumney in OHMSS, Steed in AVTAK) so Connery would appear in The Avengers but not Bond again (didnt he decline a cameo in DAD where hed play Bonds predeccessor or something)

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Brosnan should do a quickie Never Say Never style Bond with QT


    dont mention James Bond or 007 in it at all (therefore tapping into the whole James Bond/007 is a codeword/number like The Rock sort of did) Low budget with swearing, brutal violence, gore, sex, R rating, real adult stuff. ditch any music score.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Great Choice

    by Robert G Griffith


  • Oct. 29, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I wonder if they approached Connery for the role

    by SnootyBoots

    He's retired and probably uninterested and it would be a kind of stunt casting, but this movie (Skyfall?) will open right round the 50th anniversary of Dr. No opening and it would surely get people in the seats, so I just wonder if they put an offer out just for the hell of it.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST

    oh goody

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    More daniel craig to further bore us to death with his lack of charisma and acting ability. Way to destroy any movie franchise you ask? Just add a dose of daniel craig and see what I mean? Just look at what happened to cowboys and aliens this summer for proof. Don't take my word on this one.......

  • plus about 80% of the gross

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I'm conducting a survey


    Anyone who complains about shaky cam, "ADD MTV style quick cuts," etc., when doing so please state your age. Because, I didn't notice this problem in Quantum. When you are done yelling at the kids on your lawn please sign in and fill out my questionnaire. Thank you.

  • Oct. 29, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Craig is fucking boring

    by Mugato5150

    Bring back Brosnan. He knew how to be cold blooded and lethal while having fun executing people and chugging vodka. ...and 33 years old and that has nothing to do my hatred with the frenetic shaky cam action sequences.

  • The Bay/Bourne bullshit where the director clearly can't make a decent action sequence, so he just shakes the camera all over the place, determining that if the audience can't SEE the action, they won't know how poorly-done and rote it is. Compare ANY action sequence in Casino Royale to Something Of Boris, and it's obvious how a filmmaker with plenty of action experience and a veteran action editor (the great Stuart Baird) beats the pants off a generic Oscar Bait journeyman like the very dull Marc Forster who had never tackled anything with even a WHIFF of action in it beforehand. At least Sam Mendes has made Jarhead, which came SOMEWHAT close to an actual action movie.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I can't believe no one here has said it, so...

    by John Baker

    Take your flunky and dangle.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:16 a.m. CST

    danielnocharismacraig, are you mad?

    by AsimovLives

  • Maybe it's because of your very young age.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:19 a.m. CST

    I have hated over-editing in movies since TOP GUN back in the day.

    by AsimovLives

    That fucking movie was the Michael Bay over-edited bullshit of the day. It helped it being the shit that it is. Soemtimes quick editing can help a movie. Or at least not hurt it. The Bourne movies are proof of that. But then again, those movies were made by a talented director. Most quick-edited movies are made by terribly untalented hacks to disguise their lack of ability to actually make a truly exiting and intereesting movie.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Since you asked...

    by Peter David

    I'm 55, and I have no problem with shaky-cam, quick editing, quick cuts, "MTV-style" (yes, I remember "Miami Vice") or any of that. I don't dislike rapid fire quick cuts as a technique. When it's done well, I think it's fantastic. I dislike it when it's done badly, which I believe was the case here. My guess is that the director simply didn't shoot enough coverage for the editor to put it together properly. I think he had no feel for action sequences, period. You want to make it an age-related thing, go right ahead. You can be just like the jackasses who assert that when I, at times, get impatient with Internet idiocy, that it's because I regard the Internet (and computers, for that matter) as some new-fangled contraption that these young people today are so caught up in...except I was working on computers in high school in the 1970s and was one of the first pros participating on Internet chatboards in the 1980s. It's not about age. It's about that the people who edited this movie did it badly and to the detriment of the story. PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 8:19 a.m. CST

    the way I see it, it worked quite well

    by alexander

    In Supremacy, and brilliantly in Ultimatum under Paul Greengrass, but everything seemingly inspired by it since such as with QoS has been yes, pretty awful.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 8:55 a.m. CST

    peter david - the Brian Cox mystery....


    has its origins here:

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I thought Finney was dead, well I'm glad he's not.

    by The Founder

    He'll make a great addition to the film.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    winona_ryders_pussy_juice is just young and ignorant

    by ZoeFan

    Age has nothing to do with with the dislike of QoS's editing and shaky cam. It has everything to do with technique. asimovlives and peter david have basicly stated the way I feel, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. What I will add though, is Marc Forster had no right directing this film. In his defense he was put in a bad position. The Broccoli's basicly forced him to shoot in a more "Borne" style (talk about having no faith in your franchise of 50 years). Well if that isn't your style and you've never shot action scenes before, you get QoS. It's like telling Shaq (before he retired) that he's going to be expected to be a world class 3-point and free throw shooter... It's never going to happen. So to winona_ryders_pussy_juice, being crotchety about QoS has nothing to do with age. Some of us understand the difference between good and poor technique. Sometimes this comes with age. Other times you're 50, female and love the Twilight series. I hope you mature.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:32 p.m. CST

    The Twilight series

    by Peter David

    One day I wondered aloud to my teenage daughter (a fan of the series) if I would ever write a series of books that would spur that kind of rabid devotion. She suggested I actually read the books to get a feel for what readers like her found appealing. I read the first one, came back to her and she said eagerly, "So what did you think?" I said, "I think I have a problem, because I'm not sure I can write this badly." She didn't talk to me for a few days. PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    Thanks for pointing that out to me. I never would have guessed that it came from Harry simply "deliberately" misattributing a role in "Alien" to Cox. Furthermore, I'm glad you showed me where it originated because I had no idea that either "Man From Atlantis" or the McGavin "Mike Hammer" were out on DVD. Now if only they'd bring out a completely forgotten sitcom called "He and She." PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 12:46 p.m. CST

    As someone who was involved in shooting "Quantum"...

    by Jack_North

    ...(as an extra) i'm continously frustrated by the missed opportunities in this. The film had starting dates set, so it needed a script, which was punched out and then rewritten by Haggis in a haste. Apparently he finished his rewrite an hour before the writer's strike began. Before the film came out Forster mentioned in several interviews that he had much less time to edit this film than on his other films. And it shows. The film has beautiful images (the first shots of the film leading up to the car chase for example). But these images are edited very crappily. An obvious example is the infamous "crotch shot" of the maid that Medrano is trying to rape. There are other parts that are edited like crap. For example: How exactly does Bond get rid of the last boat in the Boat chase? Seriously, someone has to explain that to me, because the scene makes no sense! What's up with that split-second shot of Mathis' girlfriend at the end of the scene at Mathis' house? Another example is the use of cool graphics (the computer table for example) but the graphic's animation and the sequence itself are so fast that you either don't get the dialogue, cause you're watching the graphics or you try to follow the dialogue and miss that the table apparently scans the money, tracks it, etc. And i have no problem with fast editing if it's done well. I like the Bournes for example.

  • As far as Quantum of Solace, it wasn't even much of a movie. It was just a bunch of random action scenes peaced together...

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    OK, I take that back. MC is better than Ladykillers...

    by Coughlins Laws

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST

    no problem peter....are you the real 'Peter David?'


    you sound like it. know youve done alot but i used to read your DC star trek stories in the Trek V-VI era, Trial of Kirk etc...happy days :) just out of interest (not sure if you can help on this) but would you know where the best place is for submitting a strange Sci Fi short story? ive been working it for the best part of three years and wanted to send it to Weird Tales but theyve shut down submissions due to change of management and im not sure what to do with it now as i figured thats the place it was best suited. i've looked at some other places but theres just so many..and none of them are weird enough for my liking like WT Alternatively i was thinking about trying to adapt the short story into a screenplay but that seems like abit of an arduous task/long shot...

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Cartmanez--No, I'm A Peter David. We come in six-packs.

    by Peter David

    Sorry. Channeling "Hitchhiker" there for a moment. Yes, I'm the one who wrote the Trek stories. A strange Sci Fi short story? Well, I'd suggest the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. They just ran a story of mine, as a matter of fact, a novelette called "Bronsky's Dates With Death." You can read it FOR FREE here: Don't bother trying to adapt it into a screenplay...not if you don't already have an agent and a mechanism for selling it. Besides, stories tend to find their natural length. If you feel a short story is the right venue for it, then that's how you should put it out there. PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:08 p.m. CST

    peter david

    by AsimovLives

    Are you famous?

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I'm a VIP

    by Peter David

    A Vaguely Important Person. A microscopic percentage of the American population know who I am. The vast majority have no freaking clue. PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    thanks for the advice peter david


    i'll make sure i read that story and maybe submit mine there and see what happens.. yeah i dont think it'd really work as a screenplay anyway. and id end up going out of my mind trying to figure it out. thanks again

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I think Nordling baits his posts

    by Jaka

    Puts shit comments in them just to get a lot of talkback responses. Created his own paola system, he did. <p> Quantum of Solace is quite good and very well loved by most (nearly all) of the Bond fans I know (which is a lot - we've actually had Bond themed parties).

  • a perfect world. In that regard the guy is pure freakin' genius. If you read his Trek books I doubt you'd think otherwise. Its like the characters (as the actors who played them) are right there in your head, telling you a story. <p> But his opinions on children's films... well... never mind. I'm in a good mood right now.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    So is Finny going to take over playing M?

    by Jaka

    They kind of look alike at this point, he and Judi Dench.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST

    jaka- Finney is looking more like Shatner these days


    when i see Skyfall (if thats what its to be called) i'll be thinking of Kirk Prime meeting Bond

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks misterblue

    by JonRD463

    Got curious and decided to look for The Gathering Storm, and I'm glad I did. I'm just 10 minutes into it, and I'm in for the duration. Finney IS Churchill!

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by shawn_h

    Quantum of Solace was a your opinion

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Quantum was better on the small screen

    by Mr Gorilla

    All that fast cutting and wobble cam was very confusing in the cinema, but on my telly it's ruddy brilliant. Love the opera scene too. And the ending. God, the whole thing is pretty great. Very eyecatching, no? Casino Royale started great, but not long after that great foot-chase, it started to be less Casino Royale, more Royale with Cheese.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure who else's opinion I should be putting forward

    by Peter David

    I know I'm not saying that it was objectively a disappointment. It sure wasn't a disappointment financially. It made almost as much as "Casino Royale." So it certainly wasn't a disappointment to the producers, whose only care is the bottom line. It was a disappointment to reviewers, who compared it unfavorably to its predecessor. I was disappointed mostly because I paid good money to sit in a theater and watch a movie where there were numerous occasions that I didn't know WTF was going on. It's not "opinion" that I didn't know WTF was going on; that's a fact. PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Albert Finney

    by Katherine

    My favorites would have to be his breakthrough in TOM JONES and his Poirot in MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS. And his Winston Churchill in THE GATHERING STORM was outstanding.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    I'd agree with his "Poirot"

    by Peter David

    He also wasn't bad in a supporting role in "Erin Brokovich." PAD

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    An old fart joins the cast of an action franchise. Discuss.

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Shit, I meant Peter David up there

    by Jaka

    P'shh. Stoopud fingers.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 7:59 p.m. CST

    cartmanez, that's the rumored Trek 2 title?

    by Jaka

    Or Bond 23? Anyway, I guess I haven't seen what Al looks like lately, because I never would have made a Shat connection based on how he looks in my head.

  • Oct. 30, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Dig it a lot, but...

    by TheDesolateOne

    <p>I really dig QoS.<p> <p>It is a very underrated film.<p> <p>I only have a few problems with it:<p> <p>1. Worst Bond song ever. Just horrible.<p> <p>2. Because the film is so kinetic, I wish it would have taken some time to catch its own breath. It is short. Less than 110 minutes, I believe. There was ample time to do this.<p> <p>3. A few scenes with a little more exposition to allow it (and the audience) a breather would have been a smart idea. A couple of scenes with the conflicted Felix would have been nice. Also, the other CIA guy just loses his job and Felix gets it? Wouldn’t it have been great to have a scene of Felix taking him out CIA orders?<p> <p>3. Bond should have banged Camille. People can say he was on a revenge mission so no hanky panky. Nope. He porked Fields with one of the worst pickup lines ever. After the plane crash would have been an ideal time for it. The part where she is cold and he gives her jacket. Right there. Do the deed.<p> <p>If I had to find anything else it would be the audio. It seemed like background music and action noise made it difficult to hear dialogue sometimes. I thought it may have been the theater. However, I saw it at another theater and had the same issue. The DVD has it as well. Also, Giancarlo Giannini can’t speak English. He thinks he can, but you can barely hear him and 90% of the time you can’t understand what the hell he is saying. Don’t get me wrong, a damn fine actor. He just can’t speak English as well as he thinks he can.<p>

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST

    lol OK well


    I'm 38. whenever I hear people bitching about the shaky cam (usually Bourne 2 and now QOS) I don't see the problem. Bourne 2 had some great action in it, the car chase was shaky cam galore and it was bad-ass. Sure QOS had some pedestrian direction but it never occured to me that the action scenes were the problem with that film. I would say the story wasn't nearly as solid as Casino Royale. Yes, the action in Casino Royale was much better too. I also like Michael Bay's style. Someone mentioned the Rock I think in a negative way pertaining to the quick-cut editting style and such. Well shit I definitely fucking disagree. Action movies are an art form, they are exaggerated and stylized. Some of you guys are way too up-tight, like the dipshits that try to bring down The Dark Knight as if their negative opinion means anything, that's why maybe I thought you were getting cranky because your Depends needed to be changed. Thank you for filling out my survey it has returned inconclusive.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST

    winona....what's the deal with your fascination with infowars

    by Bobo_Vision

    How much of that shit do you believe? I know you're into the 9/11 conspiracy stuff...and that stuff I think has some merit...but there's an article on there today about how Obama is a Satanist because he flashes hand signals that are apparently signs of the devil...when in fact they are victory signs. <p> How deep into the rabbit hole do you go with this shit?

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 2:56 a.m. CST

    @ thedesolateone

    by Jack_North

    1. for me the worst Bond song is "Die Another Day" 2. yes, that is part of the BIG PROBLEM of the film having absolutely no pacing or flow. THAT'S what people are criticising. 3.see 2. I like your idea with Felix taking out Beam. 4. well, that is your opinion. I'm neither pro or con on that. 5. english is not my first language (and i don't speak italian) and i could understand Giannini just fine. maybe the german release has a different mix...

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:05 a.m. CST

    @ winona_ryders_pussy_juice

    by Jack_North

    The shakycam in Quantum got chopped up in editing. That's why it's worse than in the Bourne Films. The Bournes have a unique flow that works because there is a concept behind them that is used consistently. Bay's action gets criticised because it consists mainly of close ups that are edited furiously. same problem as with Quantum. Or in the terms you used: combining two ways of extreme stylisation does not work. for example: Fincher's films are edited faster than they feel. This works because his framing is perfect.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST

    lol dude


    They don't usually get into that occultish stuff very much. They have some of their own writers and other stuff is linked to outside sources. Looking at the top headlines I agree with much of it. As far as the secret society/satanism stuff, I'm on the fence. There is some strange stuff that the "elite" are into that certainly is not Christianity driven and is in more of the realm of Satan worship. Oh I see the article you mentioned. Barack Obama’s Allegiance Is Not To America And God, But To The New World Order And Satan linked from: The Excavator Excavating To The Bottom of The Abyss of Collective Myths And Mass Death haha I don't know man, that's not really the sign of victory imo. I think it is strange that some politicians flash that sign. Bush did the same thing. I don't really have an opinion, but I would lean more towards it's a secret handshake type of signal, rather than a victory sign, which would traditionally be the John Lennon variety which everyone would understand. I guess they don't flash the V sign because it would relate them to Nixon. So instead they are relating themselves to Satan? The pictures of Obama that article links, he doesn't connect his thumb to the other 2 fingers so it's not actually the sign of the Devil. But I see a picture of Bush flashing the true Devil sign on google images :P I would say that's possibly a Skull and Bones signal. I think the rabit hole does go pretty deep regardless of what the religious people say.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Bond Producers seem to care about...

    by Hipshot

    More than just the bottom line of a single film. They also care about the long-term health of the franchise. It is a family business, and has been going for two generations, and they have every intention to nurture it for another three if they can. That means constantly re-inventing so long as they stick to the basic "formula." Roger Moore and Danial Craig, for instance, are two ends of a continuum, and it is fun to watch the different interpretations. If they had stamped out cookie-cutter imitations of Connery, the series would have folded thirty years ago.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8 a.m. CST

    I can follow the action in the Bourne films.

    by Peter David

    I can even follow what's going on in Michael Bay films. Not too long ago QoS was on cable. I tossed it on and gave it another shot. Twenty minutes in, I gave up. It's one thing to use the quick cut technique in order to tell a story. But it has to be ABOUT the story. If it becomes about the technique--the quick cuts become an end unto themselves--that's a big problem. When you butcher the story on screen, the audience gets lost. Hell, I still remember when I went to the Marvel screening for the Ang Lee "Hulk." There was nobody in that theater more familiar with the script than I was, because I'd written the novelization, and *I* didn't know what the hell was going on at the climax of that film. When I got back home I cracked out a copy of the book, reread the end and went, "Oh, okay. Right. Got it." PAD

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Hipshot--I don't disagree

    by Peter David

    But everything they do, including the angles they take to revitalize it, are for the purpose of keeping it a viable franchise...i.e., a money making franchise. What else is a family business about, or ANY business about, other than running at a profit and keeping it going for your heirs? Which I have zero problem with, I should emphasize. I love the Bond films and if they stopped making money, the studio would stop making Bond films. When I say the bottom line is that it makes money and that's all that matters, that's not a derogatory statement. As producers, if they're NOT watching their bottom line, they're not doing their job. And their job is to keep the family business going. More power to them. I still remember when the producers of "Triple X" declared that this was going to be the new James Bond. Yeah. THAT worked out. Not as easy as it sounds. Because nobody does it better. Oh, and Bobo--an old fart joins the cast of an action franchise. Like Dame Judi as "M?" Like Sean Connery as Indy's dad? Like how the running gag of the "Lethal Weapons" movies was Danny Glover saying "I'm getting too old for this shit" before he blew people away? What IS it with some of you guys and always trying to make everything about age? And usually disparagingly at that. You know what? I lost one friend to leukemia a few years ago; he was twenty. Twenty years ago a woman who was a close friend, in otherwise perfect health, collapsed in the streets of New York from a brain aneurysm at the age of thirty-six. Mark Gruenwald sat up in bed one morning, stretched, and keeled over from a heart attack. Grueny was 43. Dwayne McDuffie, one of the best writers I've ever had the honor to work with, died at age 49 as a result of complications from emergency heart surgery. I'm 55 and I look at a field of friends who were in better shape than I am, who had just as much to live for, who had far more talent than I, and just as many family members and friends who wanted them to stay around. And they're gone and I have no clue why I'm still fortunate enough to be here. So how about some of you consider the notion that if YOU, and others like you who are quick to sneer at anyone you deem an "old fart"...if you should manage to reach the half century mark and beyond, you're not going to be oozing disdain anymore. You know what you'll be? Fucking grateful. PAD

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Peter David...

    by Jack_North

    I agree with you. Except your criticism of Hulk. It works for me - isn't brilliant, but works. Bay's films: I can follow them. I just don't want to.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Jack North

    by Peter David

    I think "The Hulk" is 2/3rds of a great movie. The beginning is slow and the end is confusing. But the middle is great. I liked the second film way more. PAD

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Peter David

    by Hipshot

    We're in total agreement then. I also had the honor of working with Dwayne. Were you at the Golden Apple Comix memorial that Reggie Hudlin put on? It was a lovely moment to celebrate the life of a lovely man. Don't wonder too much why you're still here, my friend. A lot of it is just luck of the draw. In general, eating well and exercising will extend life, but nothing guarantees any of our tomorrows. That is why I am so careful to tell the people I love that I love them...every damned day. And those who mock age are simply immature, or afraid. They'll grow out of it, if they're lucky. Otherwise, they'll become another in the army of wrinkled zombies who can't recognize themselves in the mirror, and wonder where their childhood dreams went, all the time complaining about how "poorly designed" their bodies are...too blind to see that they were given Ferraris and filled their tanks with kerosine. Live well.

  • It's a movie with ambitions, and it was made by a director who clearly wanted to make a good movie. Not just a fun movie, but a damn good one. And in my opinion, he suceeded. I pity the fools who think otherwise. The latest Hulk movie is a picture perfect demonstration of uninteresting uninvolving milquetoast banality.

  • Instead of that cunt ass pussy hackboy Bob Orci fraud who only came to here to be adored and have his ass kissed by the geekry. Great, a proper author we can talk with. And according to you, a properly talented one. What a great oportunity. This is what AICN should all be about, encouraging authors and filmmakers to join with the geekry and shoot the shit and generally have fun. Instead of kissing ass to hacks like Mickey Shit Bay, Bobby Ass Orci and Jar Jar Abrams.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 1 p.m. CST

    peter david

    by AsimovLives

    How you finding your stay in here? I hope you are having fun. I think i'm not only speaking for myself to say welcome to you. And hope you continue to post often and not just about Quantum Of Solace.

  • Other than that that I like Quantam. The bad guys were after water and not moon colonies, sillicon valley destroying earthquakes, etc....

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    Hipshot: Believe me, if I could have been at the Golden Apple gathering, I would have. But I'm on the east coast and there was no way I could get to the other side in time. I mean, talk about unexpected. I heard about Dwayne and went back to my email, and there was a letter from Dwayne the day before he died. I had asked him about something to do with "Ben 10" and his response was, "I'll check into that Monday and get back to you." I mean, oh my God. I was, however, a participant at the San Diego Comic Con at Michael Davis's Black Panel (don't give me a look; that's what it's called) which, for the most part, was a memorial about Dwayne. So that was something, at least. (It was also interesting because I'd been on the Gays In Comics panel thanks to my work with Shatterstar and Rictor, which led some people to assume I was gay. On Michael's panel I commented on that, wondered if similar assumptions would be made because of my being on the Black panel, and concluded, "San Diego: Show up as a straight white guy, leave as a gay Black guy.") Asimov: Let me put it this way--when I read the script for the first "Spider-Man," I thought, "This can make a great Spider-Man movie." When I read the script for the Hulk, I thought, "This could make a great Ang Lee movie." I saw serious story and conceptual flaws (no, I'm not going to list them) but hoped that Lee would be able to overcome them with pure directorial genius. As I said, I think 2/3 of the movie, he managed it. I think the second film was much closer to the comic in tone and style. Whether that makes it better or worse, I suppose, depends on your feelings about the source material.There were also a lot of character scenes that were cut for time which might (or might not) elevate your opinions. You can, I think, see them on the DVD or, for that matter, read them in the novelization by yours truly. I've actually been around here pissing people off for a while now. So it's hardly limited to here. PAD

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    by carey tyson

    I LOVE the Bond films! Although was a bit disappointed with Casino. Felt too real to be a true James Bond flick. I enjoyed the origin, but found myself bored with most of it, compared to most Bonds. QOS was completely enjoyable! It ratcheted up the action and got us back to the reasons the movies are so fun. So, no. I too was happy to see the direction QOS took, and made me all too excited for the next...

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Peter David...Re: Hulk...

    by Jack_North

    I respect your opinion but i don't get what's confusing about the ending... do you mean the fact that it's set in that dark area by/ in the lake? or do you really don't get what happens in the scene?

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by Bobo_Vision

    You know, Winona, I actually think there's a lot of truth to the conspiracies of just how evil and corrupt the US government is...and their ties to corporations and the mafia. Look at all the shit that has happened in America...JFK and Bobby K both assassinated, and the truth behind their murders is still under wraps. MLK assassinated. Thousands of people in other countries slaughtered for nothing more than money...yet people find it hard to believe they are capable of killing 2000 of their own citizens for money. The truth is, there's nothing they won't do. <p> But the problem with most truthers and conspiracy theorists is that you start talking to them for a while, and eventually they start talking about how aliens are running the world, or some stupid shut like that, and how weed should be legalized because they smoke it every day and then you start to think that person is just a stoner who should probably be on some meds. <p> I think the truth lies in between what we are all given by the popular media, and the conspiracy theories by sites like infowars.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Jack North

    by Peter David

    The former. It was so damned dark that I couldn't make out what was happening. It wasn't an editing issue, for instance; the rest of the film held up fine in that regard. I just couldn't see it; it was badly lit and badly filmed. Once I went back and refreshed my memory by rereading my book, then I was fine. PAD

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Have to agree with Asi about Hulk actually

    by alexander

    Although kind of Peter David too. The Hulk was brilliant as a movie in it's own right, and a 'comicbook' movie too, in fact it's still probably one of my favourites Marvel has put out so far. Thought the ending was fantastic as well... But it wasn't really a proper Incredible Hulk movie, and I can understand why fans didn't really care for it all that much... However... I just don't get the love for the second film a lot of other people do. The script and the direction felt very uninspiring and by the numbers. Nothing ever really hits you emotionally, on a character level, or cinematically with the sound-visuals in the way it should be in taking advantage of its subject matter-source material. Clash of the Titans impressed me more for christsakes... but I'm very happy Whedon got the job on Avengers.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Peter David:

    by Jack_North

    ah, okay. i had no problem with this, though. But i get where you come from. I definitely prefer Ang Lee's version of Hulk. But i don't care about comics, sorry Peter ;-) What i mean is: i don't care about the legacy of the character, so i just watched the film as is. The "new" Hulk with Norton: what alan_grant_lives says. Back to Bond: Hey can ANYBODY explain to me how the boat chase ends? What's in the film is definitely not working to a ridiculous degree!

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST

    yeah I agree


    Alex Jones doesn't cover any of the kooky alien stuff that people like David Ike are more famous for. He does go off the deep end sometimes and sensationalizes a lot of stuff to try and make a point. If you listened to his show most of the guests he has on and the people that call in are pretty level headed folks who focus more on the political corruption and central banking problem.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Peter David--

    by Hipshot

    Just checked out your bibliography. Very, very cool. Impressive. We know some of the same people, but I like the anonymity here. I'm sure we'll run into each other one day. You'd be great fun to talk to.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    I get why some people feel more comfortable with it, but I've always felt that one of the prices of an open society is that you shouldn't always get to feel comfortable. That standing behind what you say shouldn't be easy, and using fake names is just a little too easy for me. But YMMV. PAD

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    One of the realities of LIFE is that you don't always get to feel comfortable. But in a forum where the majority of people use pseudonyms, and often say vicious things from the safety of shadows, I feel more comfortable answering their venom with the same level of protection. I have other avenues where I'm delighted to use my name and speak more openly about career things, but have no interest in being trolled. And on the other hand...there's a little bit of "When in Rome" action here. When I joined, everyone used a mask, so I did. I don't always want to feel comfortable, but from time to time, its fun.

  • Oct. 31, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by Peter David

    Well, I guess that's where we differ. I mean, there are always going to be lots of reasons to keep your name under wraps. Good reasons. Comfortable reasons. But there's only one reason not to do so: being unafraid to speak your mind. As a result of this, in my case, over the years people have: launched boycotts; tried to get me fired from Marvel; tried to get me fired from DC; spread utterly vicious and untrue rumors; stuck my name on blacklists; shouted at me at conventions; were verbally abusive at bookstore signings; challenged me to debates; and wrote attack editorials that were based on things I never said. And you know what? Screw them. I'll say what I believe in whatever venue I choose, and I want them to know it was Peter David who said it. That's where my comfort level is. Joseph Conrad said you will judge a man by his foes as well as his friends. Well, I've got some pretty great friends and some pretty impressive enemies. Let 'em judge away. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 6:08 a.m. CST


    by Hipshot

    I don't think we differ about that Peter. No human being walks around completely unmasked. People just choose to wear different degrees of masks at different times, and in different places. You choose differently--I promise there are times your masks are firmly in place. I came to a costume party, and chose to play by the same rules the others were playing by. I've never, ever disguised my identity in a location where others were being open.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by Peter David

    I think we're talking about two different things. You seem to be talking about a public persona versus a private persona. That's perfectly reasonable. But when I go on AICN...I'm in public. So I don't hide. I guess part of it stems from my obsession with free speech. Whenever I think about censors, what it always boils down to is people living in a free society who are determined to make sure that others don't enjoy that freedom. It's okay for THEM to read what they want, watch what they want, enjoy what they want. But it's not okay if someone else wants to read or watch or enjoy something that the censor considers objectionable. "I find this upsetting; I find this bothersome; I am appalled that others would enjoy this." And so they endeavor to make it go away. This manifests in a number of ways that I'm pretty sure you already know about, so I've no need to list them. What it comes down to is: I don't want to take the chance of being anything like them. I suppose what it boils down to is that living in a free society isn't always a comfortable thing, and that's the part we should appreciate--and often don't. That's what people fought and died for when this country first got on its feet. A bunch of rich white guys signed their names to a piece of paper telling the king to sod off, knowing that it could cost them their property, their freedom, their lives. And here we are, 250 years later, and we're afraid to sign our names to our opinions because we don't wanna get spammed or trolled? As I said, I totally understand the attraction of anonymity. I can't say, though, as I think it's helped rational discourse in this country. I always flash back to that Disney cartoon with Goofy as a driver. He's perfectly calm and rational and polite until he gets behind the wheel and he becomes an anonymous guy in a car...and then goes totally mental. I think the information superhighway is loaded with guys who wind up turning into outraged Goofys. I see discussion boards, but it doesn't come across like discussion. You know what it reads like? Road rage. So fine. I choose to drive with the top down so people know who's behind the wheel. Others are, of course, welcome to do as they wish. Free society, after all. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    peter david

    by AsimovLives

    My opinion of the second Hulk movie is based on the DVD, because i never saw the movie in the theater. And no, i'm not impressed at all with that movie, except the Stan Lee cameo, which was hysterical. Also, Edward Norton is a brillant actor, but his portuguese in the movie was pure attrocity. Evne in a braliaan accent it was beyond tears for how terrible it was. How do i know it? I'm portuguese, and i couldn't understand a thing he said. And those factory bullies actors they hired, it's clear none of them were brazilains, because their portuguese was evne worst then Norton's. The only brazilian whose portuguese was real brazilian portuguese was the hot neighbour, becaus eshe's a real brazilian actress (she0s quite well known in Brazil and Portugal due to the soap operas she's in... and she's hot!). Does thatm mishandling of the portuguese language in the movie causes me to think ill of it? Not at all. If so, i wouldn't like MASTER AND COMMANDER, and i love that movie to death. And i know it's a very difficult language for foreigners to handle well. Hell, even for the portuguese themselves. No, i dislike the second Hulk movie because it's lame. The story is lame. The whole thing is a big case of "that's it?". The story, if one come to terms with it, it's quite small. Some shit bloes up, hulk smashes some shit, and yet it all looks so small, so banal, so been there seen that, moved on. Ang Lee's movie, for all it's perceived flaws (which i think there aren't all that many, and depending on how much tolereance you have to Nick nolte's over-acting), it did mannaged to look epic. It felt big. It was a big movie in story and in how and wher eit happned, while at the same time i felt intimate and personal. I could say that after i watched the movie, i could understand everybody in the movie. Not just understand, but evne sympathise. There was a wonderful complexity to everybody. Except that young yuppi shit who though that buling Hulk was a jolly good idea, but then again, that type of people ar eone dimentional in real life as well, so it was all accurate. And that'sthe thing about the newer Hulk that fails: by the end, the characters were all still cyphers to me. And none of them had made me fell any sympathy for them. Everybody was misguided, but not because that was the point of the story ot play on tragedy, but because it was badly writen and directed. It was a bunch of uninteresting people running around screaming and saying platitudes which couldn't interest even the most pacient of men. The only scene with some substance was a moment between Tim Roth and William Hurt, and that was more thanks to their talent as actors who can bring meaning and emotion to banal lines. And then there's,the fact that Ang Lee's HULK is a movie with some inovative and creative stylistic choices. The editing with all those transitions that mirrored comic book panels was brillant,and so apropós, and not intrusive at all, in fac,t it helped to bring the audiences to the mood of the movie. Meanwhile, the second Hulk movie couldn't be more banal if it tired. So, in the end, bring me Ang Lee's HULK movie anyday of the week over the mount of uninteresting banality that is the second Hulk movie. Perhaps the second movie is (supposedly) closer to the marvel comics. Well, if so, it made for a shallow uninteresting banal movie i have no interest to revisit ever. But if you ask me, by deviating some, Ang Lee's movie stayed closer to Hulk. That's my Hulk. Why i say this? Let me put it this way: i never carted much for Hulk. Ang Lee's movie made me care for him. I can't give the movie a bigger compliment then that.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Peter David

    *Shrug* Whatever. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Maybe i should had writen a shorter post.

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    wasnt Hulk 2 a kid of sequel? (seqboot)


    you got Ferrigno playing a college security guard again Banner is in South America picking up from the end of Ang Lee Hulk Betty and General Ross involved again i know the origin is different but its almost a fact if you blinked in the opening credits it is a sequel!

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Peter David

    by Hipshot

    Your passion and intelligence are obvious. Most of the communication pores I have are quite public: Facebook, three websites, lotsa books and television stuff, and more. This is the only place where I wear a mask, and if I hadn't started that way, I wouldn't duck out and change my personae. Like I said, we know a lot of the same people (Uncle Harlan, for instance), and that makes me happy. Frankly, there are people on this board who I suspect enjoy sniping from the shadows, and I have zero interest in subjecting my family to that nonsense. But your commitment to total transparency is laudable, and the world would work better if more people had your commitment to honesty. Respect.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST

    No, your post was fine, Asimov

    by Peter David

    I just didn't see any need for a point by point rebuttal. I liked it better than the first film; you liked the first film better. I'm fine with that. The problem is that I suspect you won't be. See, I'm pretty sure that we've actually met up on AICN before. Now I freely admit my memory isn't always the best, but from what I recall, at first you approached me and were quite polite and thoughtful and reasonable, and everything was fine. And then you started asking me about the Abrams "Star Trek" movie and I acknowledged that, although there were plot problems, they didn't ruin the movie for me and overall I liked it. At which point you then proceeded to try and bludgeon me into understanding why no one who had two brain cells to rub together could possibly like the film. The thing is, once someone has seen a movie, they either like it, don't like it, or feel kind of indifferent. And that's pretty much that. Except you, for whatever reason--and I don't say this to be hostile, it's just observation--don't seem to accept that. Instead you keep hammering away with what I assume is the ultimate goal of getting people to see that if they liked a film you didn't, they're demonstrably wrong. Whereas I believe that, once you've seen the finished movie and made your informed opinion, it's pretty much impossible to convince someone else that they're wrong to do so, and even more curious when you keep at it and keep at it. And why would you even want to? It's just a movie, for God's sake, not a diagnosis of a life threatening illness. Now, as I said, my memory isn't reliable. So if that WASN'T you from the time before, then absolutely ignore everything I just said. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by Peter David

    It was kind of a sequel, yeah. Not a direct one from my reading of it, but it did nothing (or at least very little) to directly contradict the events of the first one. As long as it didn't bring up nanomeds, I was a happy camper. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Hipshot

    by Peter David

    And don't think for a moment that there haven't been times where I've felt guilty over my transparency. Especially when anonymous right wingers (annoyed over my damned liberal tendencies) started showing up on my wife's blog and lambasting her, demanding to know how she could be married to such a waste of space. But eventually they went away, as cowards typically do, and my wife doesn't want me to change my approach because of cravens. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    peter david

    by AsimovLives

    Did i used such expressions like "cult of personality" about Abrams and the reason why his Abrams Trek movie was so popular, at least in the USa and UK? I seem to remember something of sorts in the past. Well, i appologise if i sounded harsh, blunt and needlessly aggressive. Actually, the polite, tohughful and reasonable thingis lcoser to the real me. It's just that Abrams Trek makes me lose my cool. There's few things that makes me lose my cool, and those are JJ Abrams, Abrams Trek and Michael Bay and his movies. I can be thoughful and reasonable about them, but i takes a tool, if you know what i mean. Anyway, as i said before, it's cool to have a real author in here. At least tyou actually bother to post a real post with coherent phrases and well exposed thoughs. And you don't shy on writing more then just one paragraph in conversation so somebody who doesn't agree with you on a subject. The same i can say about that hack Roberto Orci. So, thanks for your class and coolness. Trust me, i do appreciate such qualities in a person.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    As for the second Hulk being a sort of sequel to Ang Lee's movie...

    by AsimovLives

    ... it was also my first though about it as i watched the movie. But then i realised it doesn't add up much. I do think that the second movie does a tabula rasa on Ang Lee's movie. The whole title sequence in the second movie, which basically works as an origins story montage, contradicts a lot of what happened in the first movie. And the characters are not the same. And i think in the first movie, he ends up in Honduras. Doesn't mean that it can prevent Banner from ending up even futehr south in Brazil, but it seems to me that Banner in Lee's movie takes a different tactic to how to hide himself. In Lee's movie, he pretends ot be a doctor for the poor, in the second movie he trieds to go for full anonimity... well, as much as an american can in latin america. While Banner in Lee's movie still goes for an altrustic activity, being a doctor to the poor, in the second movie his actions are fully self-centered. I don't think the second movie is a sequel to the first, but it's own thing.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    The second Hulk movie

    by Peter David

    I look at it this way: Bruce, Betty and Thunderbolt were in both. The second film started with Betty and her dad already knowing who he was, and his origin a done deal. Some details were reconfigured, but the broad strokes were the same and, hey, I'm happy for that. I mean, I loved X-Men: First Class, but there are places where it simply doesn't line up with the previous films, and we all know that. There's an old expression: Close enough for jazz. That's how I consider the differences between the two Hulk movies: Close enough for jazz. PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks by the way, Asimov

    by Peter David

    For clarifying your mindset. For what it's worth, I certainly consider the polite and thoughtful model far preferable to talk to. By the way, I offer this as a broad question for anyone who cares to answer truthfully, in the interest of a more congenial atmosphere, presuming anyone wants one: Hi. I'm Peter. What's your name? PAD

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST

    peter david

    by AsimovLives

    My real name is Carlos. But people call me Asi here, and i like that. Not that i don't like my real name, in fact, i'm one of those few people who really loves his birth name. But call me Asi and i know it's me you are adressing. If you so which to call me Carlos, so be it. Fun fact: given that i'm portuguese (meaning both european and iberian (latin)), we do have long names compared to the american and british average. My real name has five names, of which two are proper names (They are Carlos Alberto), and i have 3 family names, thus total of 5 names in my name. It's quite average for my country, and in fact even somewhat short. The average is 4 to 6.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I really liked X-MEN: FIRST CLASS.

    by AsimovLives

    I'm not big in my knowldfge of X-Men myth and canon. I think the only run of X-Men i ever read was the Dark Phoenix Saga, which i loved, by the way. I also remembering read one story where the Team with Doctor Strange visit Dante's Hell, whcih i also loved a lot. That story made me interested in reading Dante's Hell, which i did,and made me bought the whole Divine Comedy set. Cool stuff. Who says comcis can't make you read? But my point is that, though i migh be ill equipped to judge X-Men: FC as part of the X-Men canon, as a movie on it's own i really liked it. The flaws are minor and didn't affected me much. The good stuff is so good it made me enjoy the movie a lot. It was a pelasant suprise to me, specially after the disaster that was the Brett "Rat" Ratner's movie. I also enjoyed CAPTAIN AMERICA quite a lot, which came as a suprise to me because i always hated the character. Good job, movie.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Things to like about X-Men: First Class

    by AsimovLives

    1- Cool design inthe movie, from cloths to set. Reminded me of the Connery Era James Bond movies. 2- Michael Fassbender as Magneto. 3- James McAvoy as Charles Xavier. I enjoy him more then many others inher, i guess. Also, his character is called Charles, and i have a soft spot for characters called after my real name. 4- THe score was pretty good,a nd that Magneto theme was magnificent. 5- Fucking hell, Jennifer Lawrence is hot!!! So, so hot!! Man, she's HOT!!! Did i told you how hot she is? She's the sex on legs, and what legs too! Gorgeaus girl, wow!! Damn good actress too. 6- pretty good story. Too bad it was rushed in the last 10 minutes, the only part of the movie that felt false and misguided. Pretty good movie. And Jennifer Lawrence is one totally gorgeaus woman!

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Not mad. Just honest. Daniel craig has just one facial expression in all of his movies. He purses his lips and tries to look serious.

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Jesus christ, dude!! Of all actors, Daniel Craig is the one you decide to bitch about?

  • Nov. 2, 2011, 9:25 p.m. CST

    not the only actor ive bitched about

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    He's just the absolute worst offender. No redeeming qualities. At all. Josh harnett would have been a better choice as bond. Ok, I admit there are many actors out there who can be accused of the same. Robert deniro, dicaprio, but those guys bring something else to the table. Daniel craig can only bring one thing to the table. His performance in cowboys and aliens was the same as his james bond character. Boring, predictable, charisma.