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Brian Grazer, promoting “Tower Heist,” just told MTV that while he can’t say at which studio the big-screen components of Ron Howard’s adaptation of “The Dark Tower” might end up, he now believes he knows where the TV component will air.

“We’ll do the TV with HBO and the movie with ---  to be determined,” Grazer said.

This is the best possible news for the project.

Under the aborted NBC-Universal deal, the big-screen stuff could be more graphic. But HBO can get away with violence, gore, nudity and sexual situations cinemas typically cannot accommodate.

Grazer also said Javier Bardem is still likely to star as central character Roland Deschain.

The idea has long been to shoot three big-screen features with a pair of TV miniseries in between.

It's unknown whether HBO's sister company Warner Bros. will be interested in making the feature trilogy

Deadline Hollywood sources indicate no deals are in place.

Find Deadline’s story on the matter here.

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  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by JZM

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by Titus05

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Still scared of Ron Howard Directing this

    by Dandelo_Bateman

    And I cant picture Bardem as Roland. Bryan Cranston would be my choice

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Do it all as a series

    by BloodiedFox

    Seriously, given you've got HBO do you really need films?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Best News

    by Scott_Hathaway

    This rocks! Best news I have heard all week!

  • ...Was saddened when Martin said it was unlikely the battle at the end of Clash Of Kings would be shown. If they ended the season at the eighth episode, then depicted the end of the novel in a two hour big screen movie with a bigger budget, that would be incredible. Could start a trend, a whole new way to tell stories. The character development, depth and detail of small screen serialization combined with the spectacle and scale of a big screen epic. Make it so

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Half of my prayers have been answered

    by MGTHEDJ

    Now get Frank Darabont to work on the project.-----later-----m

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Jesse Pinkman = Eddie

    by Somerichs

    probably been mentioned before, but yeah...

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by harrys_site_sucks

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Run with this, HBO!

    by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head

    This would make me a subscriber.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Not that hard to figure out.

    by SebastianHaff

    The whole fucking thing should be on HBO. Modern Hollywood will never spend a huge amount of money on anything that needs to be as graphic as this. So either we get a watered-down R-rated version in theaters, or we get a balls to the wall, all out, uncompromised version beamed directly to our plasmas. Why is so difficult to figure out?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    freebeer, George has changed his tone lately

    by castor778

    George was concerned due to budget that they would have to seriously trim down the finale of Clash, but it sounded like he's been more optimistic about it lately. For one, they did just finish filming in Croatia where the battle scenes were shot (and if you've seen photographs of Dubrovnik, that is the perfect place to film it). But he also said that the episode he wrote that consisted of all the battle scenes was being directed by Neil Marshall (The Descent), which is great news as Marshall has a knack of shooting small budgets and getting the most out of them. So lets keep our fingers crossed...

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST


    by SebastianHaff

    Fuck Ron Howard. There's never been a safer, blander, more vanilla filmmaker than him. Old people fucking LOVE Ron Howard movies. Because he never rocks the boat, he will never challenge you. And don't bring up Frost/Nixon as proof the kid's got range. That was the ginger fuck playing the ol' 'gimme an Oscar!' game. Oscar baiting has no place in The Dark Tower. Get this cunt snot off the project. Obviously I'd love to see Darabont take charge but it's not gonna happen. Ever. But christ almighty, if you're giving the reigns to Howard, you might as well hand the franchise over to McG, Boll, or Rattner.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Premium cable is now handling the material that Hollywood used to

    by kidicarus

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Silas Weir Mitchell as Eddie

    by Sick Fixx

    Sean Bean as Roland

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    re: sick fixx

    by mcgillj

    WOW.. that's PERFECT.. I never would have thought of him.. actually my choice was back in the day.. of Bruce Campbell (I was and an a HUGE fan) playing the YOUNGER (book I) Roland.. but I had a picture of Jon Voight playing Roland through the rest of the series (minus Wizard and Glass of course). I still can NOT see Bardem.. and not quite sure who I would pick for Odetta.. although.. Zoe Saldana seems to be the go to girl of the moment.. and I think she could probably pull it off.. my cast was thought back QUITE a while ago.. Summer 94 or 95.. around the time I picked them up for the first time.. around the time Wizard came out.. I had in my mind.. the bug eyed.. and if he were emaciated, which he always looked then, Steve Buscemi as Eddie.. with Angela Basset as Odetta/Suzanna... still though.. Silas Weir Mitchell.. great choice.. he can play creepy.. and serious.. and that.. just off the wall weird.. great pick.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Absolutely fantastic

    by Kammich

    The only news that could be better than this? Ditching the feature-length films entirely, and moving the whole sha-bang to HBO as a long, sprawling, high-budget epic ongoing series. HBO has proven that they can do a stellar job with such material with "Game of Thrones," they deserve full carte blanche at this point. My cast would still be Bardem for Roland, Jack Huston for Eddie, Taraji P Henson for Susannah, and Bill Nighy for Flagg. Maybe someone a little younger for Flagg, but the other 3 casting choices are set for me. Really encouraging news.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by Kammich

    Neil Marshall also has a knack for directing KICK ASS roles from Liam Cunningham. Who, of course, will be playing Davos Seaworth--my single FAVORITE character in the entire Song of Fire and Ice saga--this season on 'GoT.'

  • Until then, I don't. I've been paying attention to "the industry" long enough now to know that this could be in development for another decade and then STILL not happen. I'd like to see it and I hope whatever they do is great. But until there is something "real" to discuss, I just can't muster any interest.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Best news I've ever heard on this site

    by Therawbeats

    My Dark Tower dream come true. Now lets hope it happens...

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    T.V. ONLY, T.V. ONLY . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . for the love of all that is HOLY, ditch the films and do it ALL on H.B.O. 6 seasons w/ all younger Roland parts done as flashbacks & evenly dispersed throughout. PLEASE . . . .

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I cant believe it. My endless talk back rantings actually worked!?!

    by dahveed1972

    Youre welcome everybody. Ill be accepting gratuities via paypal starting tomorrow.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    My money's on New Line for the movies

    by JackSlater4

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Guess we r all agreed.

    by dahveed1972

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    so 6 books=6 or 7 hours of movie and 1 book=13 hours of tv?

    by Elsewhere

    I hope someone points out the problem therein. DO IT ALL ON HBO!!!! Books 1 and 2 are season 1!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    I'll believe it when it happens

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Until then, this is just more hearsay.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Guy Pearce IS Roland Deschain!

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    Before he was ever the Last Gunslinger, Roland was heir to a throne. There's nothing royal about Javier Bardem, as much as I like him as an actor. Watch "the Proposition" and tell me Guy Pearce isn't the man to bring Roland to life. Also, the best news for this project would be if Akiva Goldsman was taken off it. Hackiest hack whoever hacked!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST

    YES. Not Bardem, though...

    by NeoMyers

    Great news. They need to drop the Javier Bardem stuff though. Just not feelin' it.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Read The Gunslinger when it first came out

    by proevad

    Had great imagery but i didn't really get it. At that time remember, King had said that the story would never end--so when the next book came out I refused to read it--because I thought it would be pointless to read a story without an ending. Later on, an expanded version of The Gunslinger came out--so I read it again--and it still didn't do anything for me. Started The Drawing of The Whatever it's Called six or seven years ago, but was told by people that the books went downhill after that one and not to bother reading the whole series. So, this will be first time I'll watch a King adaptation, and have no clue what is going on. Kind of looking forward to that.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST


    by Jeff

    Javier Bardem would make an incredible Roland Deschain. His badassery from "No Country For Old Men" combined with his darker, more emotional side in "Biutiful" would make him a top-notch choice. This is really good news if he's attached, in my opinion. Ron Howard will REALLY need to go somewhere he's never gone, visually or cinematically, to make this as good as it could be, however. I'm not sold on him as a director for this but maybe he'll surprise us.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I'll keep saying it. Michael Wincott needs to be Roland.

    by 5_day_forecast

    That is all. Older dude, badass weathered look, gravel for a voice. What's the problem Howard?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Well, this is actually good news for once

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I find it actually hard to believe that the studio execs are actually doing something somewhat right. Dark Tower on HBO would work MUCH better than the former idea of having NBC in-between miniseries episodes between feature length movies. I mean, look what HBO did for A Game of Thrones. That series actually turned out remarkably well, all things considered. If they can do a similar treatment with Dark Tower, then by all means, please go ahead. Although I'm still not too convinced about Bardem as Roland. Seems like a very curious choice, when he hasn't really done anything that would evoke the silent, cold implacability of The Man with No Name, that Roland was so clearly modeled on. Although he was apparently good in No Country for Old Men which I have yet to watch, so my opinion will probably change after I've watched that. We'll see I guess.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I'm the rare case of someone who loves Dark Tower 1-7

    by Therawbeats

    I understand SOME of the complaints, but I read them all last summer and they blew me away. I'd read mostly everything King had done up to that point and had been putting off Dark Tower for some reason. 13 episodes per book? No way in hell If Game of Thrones can be decently told in only 10 episodes, then none of the Dark Tower books need more than that Gunslinger & Drawing - 12 eps Wasteland - 10 eps Wizard & Glass - 10 eps Wolves of Calla & Song of Susannah - 12 eps Dark Tower - 10 eps ..That's just how I think it'd fit in my own perfect world.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    what about his accent

    by dahveed1972


  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:27 a.m. CST

    therawbeats, I LIKE them all...

    by Jaka

    ...but I only love the first five, and sometimes only the first four. Stevie went a bit woo woo meta wtf in the latter part of the series for my tastes. But the parts that stick to the actual story are still pretty fuckin' great.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Ditto jaka

    by BloodiedFox

    The last couple of books had their bad points (emo the werespider, I'm looking at you...) but there was still enough good to make them worth reading. Also, Neil Marshall directing some GoT? Fuck yes!

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 1:01 a.m. CST

    All on HBO, please. And Neil Marshall on GAME OF THRONES?

    by blackwood

    Fuck me, great news all around. Neil Marshall is fantastic. I'd watch him direct traffic. Well. Not really. But I like him a bunch. As for Howard, I forgot he did THE MISSING. Cate Blanchet, Tommy Lee Jones -- I remember liking it a lot, and it's dark, and cold, like DARK TOWER should be. Ka like a wind.

  • Fucking morons.

  • The Drawing of the Three is especially cool. If you read that one, and have no interest in going on to the next one, I will eat your soiled underwear, and Then put a fucking bullet in my brain. Seriously, use your brain and stop being a fucking sheep and listening to all of these naysayers on here. Read the fucking books that are always going to be better than the books. Always.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Better than the movies, I meant to say, "uh Yuh."

    by halowiscious

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Please NOT Bardum

    by pumaman

    He's too friggin ugly ! Viggo is the man for the job. Or Guy Pearce

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Ron Howard's great, but I'm biased

    by Peter David

    First off, I'm a fan of his films, and I liked them since I was in my 20s, so don't give me this "old guy" shit. Safer? Blander? This is the guy who directed the first Disney film to have nudity and profanity, something so controversial at the time that (a) Disney employees held prayer meetings on the lot in protest and (b) they had to create an entirely separate label, Touchstone, in order to release it. Second, a few years back, I was walking the picket line as a member of the Writers Guild, locked in combat with the producers over money for video releases. Out in Los Angeles it was sunny and in the 70s, and Eva Langoria was bringing the picketers pizza. But in New York it was nearly sub-zero, it was raining freezing rain on and off, lunch was a battered ham sandwich in a brown bag, and I was getting frostbite. And as I was schlepping in a circle, I looked to my right and did a double take. It was Ron Howard, braving the elements, waving a sign and marching right alongside us. He was under no obligation to do so as a member of the Directors Guild, and buried under a hood and wearing a hat, he was unrecognizable unless you were right next to him. He wasn't going it for publicity, not that he needed any. He wasn't doing it for any reason other than to be an extra body on the line and show solidarity for the union. Wound up talking to him for half an hour. Great guy. So I was happy to hear he was taking on "Dark Tower." I was concerned, though, the combination of movie and TV series was overambitious. If you're going to do "Lord of the Rings," do it as three movies. If you're going to do "Game of Thrones," do it as a TV series. Don't try to do "LotR" and "Thrones" together as one massive undertaking; it's overreaching and funding will be a problem. Which it was. Do one or the other. If they're now going the HBO route, that's an excellent path to walk. PAD

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 7:21 a.m. CST

    I'll believe it when I see it

    by ATARI

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST


    by Peter David

    Good attitude to have. I had an agent who said, in regards to Hollywood, "Most things that look like they will happen...don't." So yeah, not getting too worked up until it's actually scheduled is the best route. PAD

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9 a.m. CST

    A Grain of Salt...

    by 1TrueGod

    I'm not holding my breath until this is officially greenlit and production begins, until then i remain hopeful. Speaking of the series, I just finished reading DT a few month back for the first time and can I say - the drawing of three - absolutely brilliant! Its probably the one book I'm looking forward to seeing on any screen. Wolfs of the Calla is a close second. Here's hoping the first act (of the first film) is regulated to the first book with the drawing of three completing the final 2 acts. HBO - i will forever maintain a love/hate relationship with. however if this does happen, HBO you will have redeemed yourself in my eyes, at least for the time being. Thankee-sai...

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST

    ALL on HBO and NOT Bardem!

    by performingmonkey

    I just don't see Javier Bardem as Roland. He could play Walter/the Man in Black though. Viggo Mortensen would be pretty good as Roland. Or Guy Pearce. The whole thing should be a huge HBO series.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Ron Howard's really pulled through on this

    by flax

    The only film of his that I loved was A BEAUTIFUL MIND. I hated WILLOW (his fantasy), and was unimpressed by THE MISSING (his western), so I have to admit, I was less than enthused when it was announced that he would be directing my favourite fantasy-western. But here's the strange part – he's doing everything right. Completely subverting all of my expectations. I bitched along with everyone else when Howard's involvement was announced, but he seems to be making all the right moves. The ambitious and unprecedented combination of big-budget filmmaking and quality television to allow for the most complete adaptation possible. The inspired casting of Javier Bardem – like someone said earlier, picture an amalgamation of his characters from NO COUNTY and BIUTIFUL. He's perfect. The rumours of Norman Reedus and Naomie Harris as Eddie and Susannah. And now this – it turns out they've struck a deal with the best cable network in existence, allowing for high production values and freedom from censorship. None of this has changed my views on Ron Howard as a direction – I still think he can be summed up by the word 'OK', and I still hope Frank Darabont gets involved in some way – but I really get the impression that Howard cares about the DARK TOWER series and wants to make the best films he can. Now, let's hope he's crazy enough to include the metafictional insanity of the later volumes.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:13 a.m. CST

    * Ron Howard as a director

    by flax

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The Wheel of Ka...

    by gregg

    Seems like a lot of you aren’t sold on Bardem as Roland, but I think it’s a perfect choice. No Country showed he can do silent and menacing (think the scene with the gas station attendant) but also come off as a stern leader. Most importantly the guy can act something a lot of actors who land these iconic roles can’t seem to do. I believe he can capture the spirit of Roland, he has that been-on-the-trail-forever look and his accent will work perfectly as Roland’s first language is the high speech.</p> <p> I’m a huge Dark Tower fan; the weaving of genres, different worlds and characters from other books amazes me, but I can admit the series isn’t without its faults, especially towards the end. While I like the ending, I think it works well thematically and closes the page on that stage of Roland’s development, it was somewhat of a letdown compared to the exciting climax I created as a read a looked forward to the resolutions of certain characters.</p> <p> With that in mind I say let Roland begin his journey with the Horn of Eld, then fans of the book won’t be so angry when (necessary) changes are made and the ending can be crafted with more of an epic scope. </p> <p>First, handle the Man In Black’s climax with more excitement, this battle was built up through small interactions where the Man In Black always has the upper hand and the conflict with Roland has been ongoing since his childhood. Have Roland finish him to get some resolution, show that while the MIB has gotten complacent Roland has grown sharper and less arrogant. This would also play into Roland’s overall theme of revenge and redemption. </p> <p>Also, I say make Jake a little older, say early teens, that way it could be easier to find an actor who isn’t still maturing and it makes some of Jakes more heroic actions a bit more believable. </p> <p>I say keep King there as well. His introduction into the story was such a unique twist and can make the series conclusion have more weight as Roland is trying to save Mid-World as well as the Keystone Earth. Plus, if you were to cut him out it would make the moments with Callahan pointless since you’d be omitting the multiverse aspect. Sure it’s a weird concept, but it’s so unique and integral to The Dark Tower that a huge amount of substance would be lost…so let’s challenge ourselves to think outside the box for once, rather than sick to the formulaic approach because Hollywood thinks it’s the only one the viewer can understand.</p> <p>Sorry for the rant, but this is great news and even though Ron Howard isn’t my first pick for director he’s a competent filmmaker with a good track record for adaptations (at least it’s not Ratner, W.S. Anderson or Boll). And, if it sucks there are always the books to enjoy, they’ll never be tarnished by a sub-par movie so everyone just….relax, it’s up to Ka now…

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I have faith in Bardem

    by Therawbeats

    I mean, it sounds weird to hear the casting, but Heath Ledger sounded weird being cast as the Joker. Bardem is such a gifted actor I think he will do something great if he ever gets a chance to play this role. Viggo is too safe, too lame. Guy Pierce would be cool, but to me, Bardem has a different level of badassery that would be perfect for Roland. I can just picture him screaming "you've forgotten the face of your father!"

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    If this actually becomes a series on HBO . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . they can cast anyone they want as Roland and I'll be one happy clam . . .

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    jaka, I hear you

    by Therawbeats

    A lot of people hate the meta shit, but that's why I loved the later books equally, because I thought it was so fucking cool. My only BIG problem with the series is ***SPOILERS*** King has this habit of building up crazy cool villains and then having them go out with a whimper. The Wolves killed what, one kid? They got absolutely destroyed. Flagg didn't even get to go up against Roland. Mordred took a bullet in the face real quick because he ate a rancid horse carcass. And the Crimson King just got erased.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Fantastic News

    by Starkiller1

    HBO has always been the home for DARK TOWER. I would have more faith in the idea of it all being done on HBO, instead of incorporating the 3 theatrical installments, but that release strategy is still intriguing. What makes me nervous is that the portions of the story which should be on the big screen might end up on the small screen, depending on how they split it up. The idea of seeing certain parts of this in IMAX is damn exciting. HBO has the budget to handle this entire thing on TV, though. There aren't many huge battles or creatures, it's mostly landscapes. Lots of, "Look how far we have to walk" moments. I'm on board with Bardem, less so with Howard. In light of his filling slate, I hope he stays on as a producer, and hands the directing reins to someone like Alfonso Cuaron. The music will also be key. King clearly had Ennio Morricone in mind, but I think Nick Cave would be the perfect fit. While reading these books, I was listening to the soundtracks to THE PROPOSITION and ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES. Also THE FOUNTAIN by Clint Mansell, which might just be the best (and most overlooked) film score of the last 10 years. So he could certainly knock it out of the park, too. Also, while Damon Lindelof decided not to tackle the whole DARK TOWER task, he's a huge fan, and I'm sure he could be lured back to write some episodes. This could all still go terribly wrong, but the involvement of HBO is very good news indeed.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I think audiences will accept the metafictional elements

    by flax

    We're living in a post-Charlie Kaufman world. When people have seen films like BEING JOHN MALKOVICH and ADAPTATION, are they really going to baulk at the prospect of Stephen King showing up one of his own stories? The only reason that twist was so controversial is that it came out of left field. If the metafictional elements are clear and obvious from the very beginning – if the audience sees them coming, as in BJM – it will work. Seriously – there is some real emotional weight to be mined here. I know King mainly introduced characters from his less popular works, like the guys from INSOMNIA and HEARTS IN ATLANTIS, but why should Howard and Goldsman stick to these? So many great films with so many unforgettable characters whom we actually care about – Danny Torrance, Annie Wilkes, John Coffey, Andy Dufresne, Pennywise. Why not use them instead? Bring them all together, AVENGERS-style. If you're going to do something batshit insane, you might as well make it fucking awesome too.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Talisman is more adaptable

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    Black House too

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Bill Hader as Stephen King!!!

    by Nice Marmot

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by carlitosantiagodoe

    Don't forget Stranger Than Fiction...not Kaufman, but certainly Kaufmanesque. Also one of my favorite films of the last ten years.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I've been saying this for years @ this site...

    by cutest_of_borg

    Dark Tower to HBO and HUGH JACKMAN IS ROLAND! Fire Javier and let's get going with Hughsie already!

  • Which character will Brian Cox play?

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I think it's great news.

    by Sithtastic

    This series needed to be on HBO. I am not of any strong opinion one or the other about Ron Howard. I think he's been spending an entire career trying to prove he's somehow not a "safe", workman like director. Regardless, it's good news for the project.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Hugh Jackman would be an awful Roland

    by Therawbeats

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Forget all the Roland talk

    by Peter David

    I want to see Rutger Hauer as the man in black. PAD

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Thats great. Now get a differant director. NOT MICK GARRIS!

    by Knobules

    Thank you.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    dioxholsters_ghost, I could see that working...

    by Jaka

    ...except that maybe he's too old now. His weird speaking cadence and vocal inflections might have worked, though.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    therawbeats - I TOTALLY agree

    by Jaka

    King has ALWAYS been great with mood, tone, setting and character creation. But I've never really felt much real "horror" from his words (sometimes, but not often). Death of characters and plot endings haven't always been his strongest suit. But what he does do is allow you to take what he puts on the page and create a living, breathing "place" in your head. He writes in a way that allows you to THINK about what is on the page and, at his best, believe that "bad things" done by "bad people" are happening in that "place". And that can be downright terrifying. <p> Before I get bashed, I'm not hating. I'm a huge Stephen King fan. I've got all but a couple of his books on a bookshelf just a few feet from where I'm typing this. I love his books. I've just think the "horror" of his books comes more from what he does inside to the readers head than what is written on the page.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Jaka- good analysis

    by Therawbeats

    I also am sitting ten feet away from a bookcase with two rows of King hardcovers, and I agree I've never been exactly scared while reading his books. But what does that mean? Nothing to me, apparently, since I'm a heavy reader and he's by far my favorite author. I like the way you put it about the way he creates these worlds and makes you believe that there are bad things that can happen in them, it does create a great sense of tension and dread. I've been called a King apologist by people I know haha, and I don't AT ALL understand the hate for his newer novels, or the Dark Tower. A lot of the reviews on Amazon are downright rabid.

  • Carrie, The Shining, Shawshank, Apt Pupil (arguable), Dead Zone, Cujo,Misery, Dolores Claiborne. and The Mist. And there are movies that were just as BAD as the book: Creepshow 1&2, Maximum Overdrive, Silver Bullet, The Dark Half, and several others.

  • Id call the Dark Tower overrated, but i honestly dont remember reading a rave review anywhere. Except in a talk back of course.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Oh and Salem's Lot the movie and book were equally good.

    by dahveed1972

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:11 p.m. CST

    dahveed are you fucking insane

    by Therawbeats

    APT PUPIL??? They took one of the most disturbing stories ever written and turn it into a PG-13 shitfest. One of if not the most disappointing King adaption I can think of. Just hearing people say that movie is good makes me want to puke, but saying its BETTER THAN THE STORY? Good lord man. I'm just going to go ahead and assume you've never read the novella and leave it at that. Second of all, I've never seen a movie better than the book, ever. Not just King but any book.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    And Christine is a servicable adaption

    by Therawbeats

    but nowhere even close to the book. That novel has the best final two pages I've ever read.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST

    therawbeats, Shawkshank and Stand By Me

    by Jaka

    For me, those movies are equal to the original stories, if not better.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Kubrick dumped everything shitty about King's book

    by proevad

    and even completely changed the themes in the piece to make a far superior work of art. He took the skeleton of King's trashy novel and added brilliance on every bone. King must have wanted to slit his fucking wrists watching it for the first time. It's a good book about personal demons, but Kubrick turned into a film far more brilliant than it had any right to be. If you don't believe me watch the shit fest mini series that parrots the novel. Man, does it bring the suck.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:44 p.m. CST

    starkiller, you are a WISE motherfucker

    by Kammich

    Dead serious, I read the entirety of "The Wastelands" picturing Alfonso Cuaron as the director and Nick Cave doing the score. No joke. Good fucking call, man. To everyone else, just listen to Cave's score on "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford." Beautiful, tranquil, full of despair, gloomy, angry. It would be so awesome seeing the ka-tet stroll around that lavish world with a similar score playing in the background.

  • According to IMDb, he played him in GOTHAM CAFÉ, even though Callahan wasn't actually in the original short story.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    sebastianhaff, allow mw to share my distaste for Ronnie Howard

    by AsimovLives

    The only thing really good he made in his life was his daughter Bryce Dallas Howard. Something outside the realm of cinema. Maybe's he's a nice chap in real life, but as a filmmaker, you used the right expression: banal vanilla. He should had spent the rest of his career making sequels to COCOON, that's what he's good for.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST

    mw = me

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by Nice Marmot

    W/ the Nick Cave discussion, I'm now envisioning a film with his score AND the drum beat from Z.Z.Top's 'Velcro Fly.' And directed by Cuaron . . .

  • People arent going to shell out the money to see part one of a multi film series which will mostly run on HBO. They will wait to Netflix it and have that continuity rather than waiting 3 years to see the remainder of the series on HBO. These books aren't epic on the level of Lord of the Rings...and if people know the latter half will run on HBO, that's a very anticlimactic way to see the end of a series.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST

    davheed, you idiot

    by vetepalapinga

    Creepshow was all kinds of awesome. Probably the best comic book movie ever made. It's not a fucking book. He wrote almost all of the stories for the movie ( I think The Crate was the only one he wrote before). They made a comic book out of the movie that came out a short time before as a companion- nothing more. Creepshow 2 isnt good, but it isnt a book either.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Kammich and TheRawBeats

    by Starkiller1

    Kammich, it's cool to hear that we were on the same page. Give Cave's work in THE PROPOSITION a listen. I remember this track hit the 2:40 mark just as a scene with the Big Coffin Hunters started. Perfect fit. TheRawBeats, I generally agree that books are better than their film adaptations, but I offer the following examples of movies that were better: Fight Club, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Jurassic Park, and Out of Sight. Four of my favorite authors, but the movies just worked better for me. Fight Club and Out of Sight for the endings, Cuckoo's Nest for Nicholson and Fletcher's performances, and Jurassic Park for the structure and visceral thrill of the effects. Though Crichton had more balls than Spielberg when it came to killing off characters.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    A Clockwork Orange

    by Nice Marmot

    Film is better than the book.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Color blind casting on Suzanna

    by Hipshot

    PLEASE make her white.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST


    by Therawbeats

    I actually look at Fight Club the movie and the book as two separate the Shining. I do prefer the books ending though, much cooler. I mean, some movies like Shawshank or Silence of the Lambs are damn near equal with the book, but I had to go on a rant after dahveed came in here vomiting up such nonsense.