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AICN COMICS: Matt Adler & Johnny Destructo talk with DC’s Jim Lee about the new 52!!!

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Q’s by Matt Adler & Johnny Destructo!

@’s by DC’s Jim Lee!!!

Hey there, folks. Johnny Destructo and Matt Adler here, your friendly neighborhood @$$holes. Here is the second part to our two-part interview about the DCU relaunch. If you missed the first part, check out our in-depth interview with Geoff Johns here. And now, join us as we discuss redesigns, why Superman needs armor and…skyscraper windows???...with the wicked talented artist and Co-Publisher of DC Comics: Jim Lee!

JOHNNY DESTRUCTO (JD): Ok, Jim...here's the base question I asked Geoff a little bit ago. If someone's on the fence, why should they give the NEW 52 a shot? SELL US on it...after you're done chewing. (We were eating delicious hors d’oeuvres)

JIM LEE (JL): Is this person knowledgeable about comics or knows nothing about comics? Who am I talking to?

JD: Well, I assume the point of this is to bring in new readers, right? You don't want to pull in OLD readers.

JL: No, I DO want to pull in old readers too!

JD: Oh, ok.

JL: Lapsed readers are...a reader is a reader. It's gonna be a lot easier to get a person who was reading comics five years ago back into the fold, then it is someone who's never read a comic. But [to answer your question for] a person that has never read comics before: A) It's one of the uniquely American art forms, so from a patriotic stand-point, you should get behind it...

JD & Matt: (laughs)

JL: B) It gives you an experience unlike any other. It's different from books, it's different from animation, it's different from movies...so you might think it's something that is a simplified version of some other art form; it's not, there's a magic that happens when you have words with pictures and things happen in your head and things happen in between the panels that you would never imagine and that's the beauty of the art-form. So, just purely from an artistic standpoint, you should check it out. But in terms of the story-lines: A) Superheroes, which is a big part of what we're doing in September, are one of the cornerstones of pop culture. If you don't want to follow pop culture, don't check out comic books. But if you want to be someone that is cognizant, someone that is an insider, you should read the source material that inspires all this other stuff, because that is where all of it comes from. All the great video games, all the great cartoons, movies, T.V. shows, they were all told first in comic book form. And there's no other industry in entertainment that puts out stories every single month. There's no off season, there's not one movie a year. Every single week of every month we are putting out stories, and the creators that are involved are not just comic book writers...we have novelists, we have T.V. screenwriters. Everyone wants to work in comics because it is one of the few art forms left where a handful of guys can produce a story relatively unfettered and do what they want to do and remain true to what they wanted to do, so from a pure creative standpoint you gotta check out comics.

And ultimately, at the end of the day, these are the greatest superheroes in the world. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, they're iconic, they inspire people...you will learn things about yourself, you will learn things about your friends, I'm just pushing it out! (laughs) You will learn how to fly! You will learn to believe that a man can fly! They will enrich your lives. And it's something you can share. If you're an adult, you can share it with your children, your nephews. And if you're a geek, it impresses other...geeky...girls, (laughs) if you're a guy, and if you're a geeky girl, it's a way of differentiating yourself from all the other girls, I don't know! There's a million reasons to check out what we're doing, that's just a few.

JD: What went into the decision to give the JLA more uniform designs, specifically the collar? Whose idea was it to change their look, to update it?

JL: Well there were three of us primarily: me, Mark Chiarello who is the VP of Art Direction and Design at DC, and another fabulous freelancer named Cully Hamner. So it was the three of us and we basically did riffs and iterations on all the designs. It was a really fun, creative process, but at the end of the day, because I was working on JUSTICE LEAGUE as the artist on it, I was sort of tasked with redesigning the iconic members of the team and I thought it was an opportunity to do some subtle nods across the line, to make them look more uniform, literally, like a team. The high collars come from military dress outfits. You look at the Marines, you look at a lot of formal wear, they tend to have collars. It's not to make them look militaristic, it's to make them look more regal as a formality to...it's their dress uniforms, it's not their fatigues. There's something special and shiny about the costumes and by doing the Nehru collars I felt that that was what I was tapping into, so...it was interesting to see the reaction. I would say that any change you make is gonna invite discord and dissension, so if that's the only thing they have problems with, I can live with that.

MA: Will we see these redesigns carry over into other media, licensing, so on and so forth?

JL: We didn't do it with that intent, but like I said, the comics were really the source material for all these other iterations and exploitations and adaptations of these characters, so it wouldn't surprise me, and in fact, I already know that...I don't know what's been formally announced but certainly there will be action figures and that kind of thing. I know DC Direct showed some at San Diego Comic Con, I think 6 of the 7. Eventually they'll have all of the Justice League in their new outfits.

Then that doesn't mean that they're not gonna produce licensed figures that have the old costumes. If anything, we live in a world where people understand there can be different iterations of Batman, different iterations of Wonder Woman, and it just gives another look, another take on the character and I think that's exciting for collectors, it's exciting for the licensors that make the products.

JD: As an artist, what did you pull from to design these new costumes, what were you really concentrating on?

JL: Well, definitely looked at dress uniforms, looked at materials. You know generally they are either spandex or cloth. I started thinking about armor, you know if you look at carbon fiber, very modern, space age-y material, so like what could be Kryptonian in nature that would create a different look for a costume.

MA: A loaded question that everyone's asking: Why does Superman need armor?

JL: Well, if it's Kryptonian ceremonial armor, and they don't have super powers on Krypton, it would make sense to wear something that gave you a little coverage and defenses, so if they knew that it was something that would be on a planet surrounding a yellow sun, maybe they would have left off the knee-pads, I don't know! You know, you can't over-think it at the same time. Why do they have capes? Why does a guy that flies have a cape, how does that benefit him? Does it help him steer? No, it would slow him down, but yet he has one, so...yeah, that's my answer and I'm sticking to it.

JD: What title other than your own are you looking forward to checking out?

JL: I've already checked them all out, so I'm very excited and happy across the line. It's exciting to see so many creators taking the same sort of mission statement, going out there, streamlining the continuity, doing something fresh and different and seeing 52 different takes on that premise. That said: RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS has been pretty special. Scott Lobdell writes some pretty sassy superhero stories and the artwork by Kenneth Rocafort is just dynamite. He's really coming into his own and it's exciting to see that it's a very modern looking style but very kinetic. Obviously, ACTION #1. Always expect great things from Grant Morrison and Rags Morales, but other books that kind of surprised me. Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang on WONDER WOMAN are doing a very different take on the character. They're doing a more of a horror book...

JD: Oh, really?!

JL: Yeah they're taking Greek mythology and taking that to its natural, logical conclusion. I mean it's pretty creepy, it shouldn't just be white togas and sandals and ivy leaves in people's hair.

MA: They hate their children, basically.

JL: There's terrifying creatures like the Medusa or umm...I love the old Harryhausen movies, and the original “Jason and the Argonauts”, because they were so creepy, the skeletons were animated, the Medusa and the Colossus, and all these things...

JD: Yeah, they used to scare the crap outta me when I was a kid!

JL: Yeah! And so Brian and Cliff have come up with ways of introducing centaurs into WONDER WOMAN that is very creepy, and it's exciting to see a realistic, modernist take on ancient Greek mythology, and used in a way to make it kind of...you know, the same way we've seen different updatings of classic mythology, like Frankenstein, vampires, werewolves, he's kind of doing that with Greek mythology, so it's exciting to see.

JD: With the relaunch, what are you most proud of?

JL: I think the fact that it's succeeding across the line. There was some initial thought that maybe the fans and the retailers would only support a handful of titles and the rest wouldn't really see a jump up, because that happens a lot. Certainly when I was working on BATMAN: HUSH, Batman sold really well and the other books didn't really move in accord, and so we were taking a little bit of a risk by doing 52, but we thought that was a reasonable number for fans to get behind. We thought that the depth in our creative talent pool could support 52 different books. And it's been exciting and gratifying to see the numbers across the line be very strong. And seeing so many books over 100,000, I think we're up to 7 books now, but even the lowest selling books are selling better than a lot of our better-selling books from pre-September, so we're very happy with that.

MA: That number 52, is that a number you want to maintain? For instance, suppose one of the books didn't work out for whatever reason, would you launch another book to fill that space?

JL: We already have that in the works, we have a list of titles, sort of "mid-season replacements"...other characters that we couldn't fit into the 52 that we want to introduce to the DCU, and obviously, some book is going to be the lowest seller, so we can to maintain the line, keep the momentum going, keep the interest going and add in books as we drop things out so that we have a continual 52 titles a month.

MA: Do you see digital being able... I don't know how to put it... but basically being able to carry a book, in the way that a book might not be a very big seller in comic shops, but sells well in bookstores?

JL: We expect some of the books, like I, VAMPIRE, or MEN OF WAR, the books that are more supernatural books to do better in the digital arena than in print. If we are reaching new readers, and these new readers are into other genres than superheroes and that's what’s keeping them from a comic shop, we hope that they would find the time to download them onto their phones or media devices and check it out, and so that's why we included the diversity in genre that we have in the line-up.

JD: With JUSTICE LEAGUE as the keystone to the other 52 titles, what sort of cross-title cohesion can we expect to see with this new "shinier" universe? Are they all sort of interconnected, or are they just going to sit on their own?

JL: They're interconnected, but we're not really looking to have cross-overs where you start a story in one book and cross over into another. We want each book to stand on their own, and we want people to understand the high concept...we asked creators to really simplify, streamline the continuity, strip the barnacles off the ship and make it understandable what you’re reading, like what is the plotline, what drives this character, what is his origin, what are the things that motivate him, and impart that information very quickly to the reader. When you start moving the stories from book to book, start doing crossovers, the stories then become about the events, as opposed to about what motivates this character, what defines this character. And so we wanted to give each book their own time to really build their house before they start introducing guests to it.

JD: Awesome--so it's safe to assume that the first year, there'll be no cross-over?

JL: Well, there will be guest appearances…

JD: Sure, sure...

JL: There have already been some hints of that, but we're not really looking to cross over per se.

MA: Have you had any two creators come to you and say "We'd really like to cross-over our two books?”

JL: There's a lot of informal dialogue going on amongst the creators both on Twitter and email, phone conversations. I think it's very healthy to see that, as long as it's not done as an event to spike sales, and it comes from some inherent story point that makes sense, which is what happened with FRANKENSTEIN and OMAC and probably eventually with ANIMAL MAN and SWAMP THING. You know, SWAMP THING really represents The Green, flora...and Animal Man represents The Red, fauna, and those things make sense to the central premises of those characters.

MA: Not all the books are starting off in the same time period, some are going to be set earlier...

JL: ACTION and JUSTICE LEAGUE are set five years prior...everything else is modern day.

JD: Speaking of the timeline you're talking about, the five years ago and so on and so forth...what's being kept and what's not being kept for this relaunch: Is there going to be a definitive timeline released for those that are sticklers for continuity? I remember after CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, they released something to let the readers know what the continuity is.

JL: We have not released a timeline and we don't have plans to release a timeline, because to me, that would shift the focus back onto what happened in the past. Everyone can kind of...you kind of cobble together continuity anyway, there's all sorts of conflicts, right? The fact that storylines refer to Presidents that have been dead for decades, you know, that kind of thing. It's an inherently flawed system because we're only human and there's so many people working on these characters. But more importantly, we really want September to be really forward-facing. There's new characters, new villains, new storylines and they build off the past and so we want SOME clarity to that, but we don't want people obsessing about what happened in the past...those stories have already been told, you should enjoy them for what they are. We want people obsessing about what's happening the next month and the following month after that.

JD: As far as your redesigns and working on everything for that, what do you think is reasonable in being asked to do redesigns? Like, how many redesigns did you do before they finally settled on what to go with?

JL: Um...some were one time and we're done, others were maybe like 15 different variations and sometimes it was me and Cully sending designs back and forth, we were doing it real-time like, literally here I'm gonna draw it up and send it to you, and he would get it, he would work on it and send it right back and we were basically designing via email. You know, sometimes they were really minute changes, like a trim color or you introduce a slightly shorter cape, or you change the hairstyle, you know...things like that.

MA: Obviously, you as Co-Publisher do that routinely...but what about the freelancers, do they deal with it the same way, being asked to do the redesigns?

JL: Some of the freelancers got involved in the process, they were all welcome to, some of them just took what we gave them and ran with it, but then you saw even other artists take established designs and tweak it. And that's the history of comics and one of the cool things about comics, it's not like other IP's (Intellectual Properties)...you know, take Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse is super popular, but is always drawn the same way whereas in the world of DC and the world of superhero comic books, every artist imparts some kind of personal element onto the costume, whether it's slightly longer cape...you know, sometimes Batman has a cape that goes to his calves, and sometimes it's a ten-foot cape that extends past his...

JD: The Todd McFarlane murder-cape. That thing'll getcha!

JL: Yeah, you know, that's artistic license, and we encourage that, because that's what keeps creators happy and what allows us to draw the best creators in the world...and that...

MA: So being "on-model" is not a big thing...

JL: Well, I think initially, going out, we want to be as on-model as possible, because if you’re going to go through the trouble of doing redesigns, you should stick to it, but as we go forward, I see the creators really custom-tailoring the outfits to their unique styles and deadlines and what-not.

JD: More so than the JUSTICE LEAGUE redesigns, the one that really stuck out to me is Superboy (I meant the one with the taped on S-symbol and wife-beater)...is that you? Are you the one behind that?

JL: Superboy was me and Cully, but there are a couple variations of Superboy--also Brett Booth, the series artist, also threw in ideas, so it was really a collaboration of the three of us, the Editor, the Writer, the Editor-In-Chief, myself and Dan (Didio), Mark Chiarello, so...a lot of people were involved in that. You know, I actually feared that, because we had so many people involved that we would never reach consensus, but it was amazing to see that when we got to a design, how quickly people got behind it if they liked it. There were very few where people were evenly divided between "I hate it" and "I love it".

JD: I think the thing that sticks out to me most is the duct-taped Super-symbol on the back of his wifebeater?!?

JL: You know, that was Brett Booth doing a sort of homage to past images where you see characters sort of cracking on each other...you know, someone taped it on his back, so it's not...

JD: OHHHHHHH, thank- (laughs)

JL: It's not like he put it on there, and that's his costume…

JD: I totally thought that was his costume! Thank you for saying that...I was a little worried! I know you had spoken recently about ALL-STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN...I know it's going to be DARK KNIGHT, BOY WONDER and that they are waiting because they're focusing so much on the relaunch...but do we have a release date for that yet?

JL: No release date yet because once you say something, then you gotta deliver, and JUSTICE LEAGUE is my first priority, deadline-wise. But I actually have pages of ALL-STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN done, but it just doesn't make sense to put those out unless I can deliver the rest of the story on a timely basis.

JD: Oh, I thought that DARK KNIGHT, BOY WONDER was already done, it's not done yet?

JL: No, no.

MA: I asked you this question two years ago at the Big Apple Con, but I think it was shortly before you became Co-Publisher: What is the most boring part of your job?

JD: These interviews!

JL: (laughs) No, no, no, hardly, hardly. You know, I would say probably drawing windows on a skyscraper, it's pretty mind-numbingly agonizing. A) You're drawing the same little window over and over and unfortunately there are a ton of windows on the side of a building, so that's...you know, you just turn your brain off and you get it done.

JD: When you pencil those windows, let's say...you know, the perspective of it, do you use anything in Photoshop, like the Perspective Tool, or do you just draw it yourself, by hand?

JL: I'll break out some simple perspective lines, but I mostly eye-ball it. You know, it's very rare that you could go out on the street and see straight lines...they may look straight, but if you really analyze it, there are little bends and nooks and curves or signs that break up the line...the line could be straight but you have a sign here and now this line, this silhouette is broken, so I find that if I use a ruler in drawing backgrounds, it tends to get very antiseptic, very sterile, almost too perfect in a way, and it doesn't give you the verisimilitude that you get from drawing it by hand.

MA: Let's go back 25 years. If we told a young Jim Lee that he was going to be Co-Publisher of DC Comics and that he was going to be relaunching the entire DC Universe, what would young Jim Lee have said?

JL: Uhhh, after I shit myself? (Laughs) Uh...yeah, I don't know...I was pretty cocky as a kid, you know, and I think that's true of a lot of artists...I remember sending it samples to Marvel when I was 12, like a half-finished drawing of Hulk, on notebook lined paper, and I thought literally that they were gonna call me up and give me work, because the series artist was not any good, in my opinion, right? It wasn't until you discover humility that ... you know "Doctor, heal thyself"...that you have to open yourself up to criticism, and realize that what you are producing is not that great, can you actually make improvements in your work. So that's what that kid would have said. If you had asked me when I was 25, I think it would have been different, you know, once you take down the barriers and going about improving yourself and making your work better, and I think I would have smiled, you know? 'Cause I would know that all the work I was putting in added up to something, absolutely.

JD: As a working professional, right now, you must be sort of humble about your work, I imagine, because I think we all are, we're a little self-conscious about it. What is it that you still want to fix?

JL: It's not a false humility, you know--I rarely look back on my old work because when I do, I always see the mistakes...someone once defined Style as "all the things you do wrong", and what you do different from other people, because if we all draw from photographs, it would all look the same and probably not that interesting, so it's when we create our own shorthand to define noses or hands, you're drawing it incorrectly, you're not basing it on real life, but it actually speaks more to real life.

JD: Well, that's where I ran out of tape, so there concludes our interviews with Geoff Johns and Jim Lee!

JD can be found hosting the PopTards Podcast, drawing a weekly webcomic, discussing movies, comics and other flimflam over at www.poptardsgo.com, graphically designing/illustrating for a living, and Booking his Face off over here. Follow his twitter @poptardsgo. His talkback name is PopTard_JD.

Matt Adler is a writer/journalist, currently writing for AICN among other outlets. He’s been reading comics for 20 years, writing about them for 7, and spends way, way, too much time thinking about them, which means he really has no choice but to figure out how to make a living out of them. He welcomes all feedback.


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  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    first

    by sjfatty

    superman's look sucks

  • ...and I'm just a fan! The first time I was ever exposed to his work was the day I picked up the gatefold variant of X-Men #1. It was the most badass drawing I had ever seen, it made me want to know what those characters were doing. And it was a #1, so obviously it must be a jumping-off point so I could learn the story, right? (Wrong, it was practically a sequel to something else and I had no idea who anyone aside from the X-Men and Magneto was.) The point is that good things happen to good artists, and then there's Rob Liefeld.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I'm diggin it so far

    by coz

    Picked up some #1s at Mid-Ohio last weekend based on recommendations here (Action, Batman, Flash, GL, WW), not bad at all. I'm on the hook for at least an arc each. I'm kind of the target audience, a lapsed reader, mostly of Marvel books, who has gotten a bit bored with and sick of all the redundant, meaningless crap in the books over the past few years. I really hope they run with this one for a while and don't just hit the reset button again in another year or two. I especially dug the new-ish Supes; scaled back powers, a bit cocky, more believable. So good on ya DC, I've never been interested in your titles before (aside from the occasional bit o' the Bat). BTW, Mid-Ohio Con is dead, Long Live Wizard World Mid-Ohio. Anyone else go by chance? It's a completely different animal now, but it was the revitalization they've needed. The con had been dwindling for years, this was a big turnaround.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST

    His designs are stuck in the 90's

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    but I guess that's better than being stuck in the 40s/50s

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Balloon knot surprise

    by nightpete

    Like Barbara Walters and shit!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:24 a.m. CST

    SCOTT'S PROMETHEUS' STORY

    by KFS

    SCOTT'S PROMETHEUS' STORY Spoilers !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.datafilehost.com/download-a4632b29.html

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST

    godlessfrench

    by RedLeaderStandingBy

    Dude, that shit is real? I stop reading cause it gets too much spoilerish.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Superman's new suit

    by mtoast

    Ugh! Seriously?! That's what he came up with? Even Perez can't make that thing look palatable.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 12:03 p.m. CST

    redleaderstandingby

    by KFS

    Looks legit to me. I too stopped reading when i recognized elements shown at the comiccon rarely adressed online.

  • An actual comicbook is just a preview of the actual magic that comics contain. When you project a comic at theater size it becomes a world of art you can live inside. Suddenly even background characters' expressions have infinately more impact and weight. You will hear the sound of their voices in your head as never before. Try it with dark horse conan series or marvel zombies or anything where the art is good. See? You'll never want to read that little rag again. See? It's epic and only one panel or section can be revealed at a time -so you anticipate the next scene rather than accidentally seeing it on the whole page you just turned. It becomes as cinematic as any medium projected. It aids the presentation at every level. I read comics more than ever now that I project them 25 feet across. Another thing to try is turn a 2 high def projectors on their side and do the whole comic unfolded. Sit Indian style and look up. Holy shit metropolis is actual size. That hooker walking behind superman- you never even noticed her. The art can be drooled over by women walking by. They're like holy shit- what is that?! Oh that's just the way UltraTron reads a comic baby

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Really disappointed he can't finish ASBAR

    by kungfuhustler84

    it's been YEARS. Justice League does nothing for me, but that was actually turning into a nice little Batman story, and his art was dynamic and exciting, with loads of great expression work.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Superman and Batman both have capes for a reason!

    by kungfuhustler84

    They are two of the only superheroes who still don capes, but both have them for very specific reasons. Superman wears the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby. It's also made of nigh-indestructible material he can use to protect others. This is important to note, as he is the "champion of the oppressed." Batman uses his cape to fly/glide and mislead fire from criminals wielding guns. The co-publisher of DC should know this...

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Superman's new suit...

    by Carl

    is not as good as the other designs that Jim Lee made. You can see that in the 1st issue of Justice League.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I have yet to see Supermans new suit drawn well by anyone

    by eric haislar

    other then lee. I hate the new suit. Armor makes no sense when you are superman and as dumb as the underwear might be. It actually breaks up the design and makes it more interesting. Hopefully they will redesign is costume again and make it closer to the original.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    So what are the digital sales?

    by hallmitchell

    I don't know why i can't find this info anywhere?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Just annoyed.

    by MCVamp

    We all knew it was a temporary measure...hell, Dick Grayson doesn;t even exist in the current Batman movies, which are now the measuring stick. But the progression from Nightwing to Batman was the single greatest in-continuity move I'd seen from DC since the New Teen Titans. I was ready for DC to say "Fuck it. No more reboots. We create an organic, real-time(ish) world from here on out, and if anyone wants to see Bruce Wayne, they can read their 9000 archived comics from the past 70 years that feature Batman." And again, WE ALL KNEW Bruce Wayne would come back. But the Grayson/Damian dynamic duo was actually a DYNAMIC DUO. Maybe this is sacrilege to many but I'll come out and say it: Bruce Wayne as Batman is fucking boring. It's tired. Only Wolverine and Spider-Man have been done more to death in the past 20 years with the constant reboots, retreads, and flat out overkill. At least Spider-Man has witty dialogue with Peter Parker as an interesting secret ID. Batman is just Batman and Logan is just Logan, and we have the same ten stories done to death with "new twists" every few years.

  • When was the last time a completely original superhero achieved broad (for a comic) popularity?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by MCVamp

    Spawn? Beyond that I got nothin.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    teenage mutant ninja turtles

    by coz

    that was the last comic to go huge in the mainstream

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Batman also has a cape because he is a detective.

    by Dingbatty

    His cowl is his fedora, and his cape his trenchcoat. Visual metaphor is a part of comics storytelling. This push toward total practicality in comics is antithetical to the genre.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The Crow was really popular.

    by Dingbatty

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    For those obsessed with not having the trunks,

    by Dingbatty

    I thought this was a good compromise: http://goyoman.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/dulcetpinereboot.jpg?w=392&h=872 This is funny: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317507_274866469214151_100000723997943_917974_272124715_n.jpg

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    @ dingbatty...

    by 3774

    That alternate take on Superman's 'trunks' is fantastic. If Lee (and by extension DC) can't admit that is a far superior look to the trunkless 'armor', then ego has officially trumped honest creativity.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by 3774

    ...Jim Lee's answer regarding capes was so completely moronic that I literally couldn't get past it, to read the rest of the brofest passing itself off as an interview. Consider me a lapsed reader who was initially interested in the relaunch, before the slutting up of Starfire... http://io9.com/5844355/a-7+year+old-girl-responds-to-dc-comics-sexed+up-reboot-of-starfire Way to piss off the geek girls you claim to want as an audience. Past, present, and as the article shows, future audience as well.

  • Marvel mags are too cluttered. Too many titles. <p> As for the rebooting: Daredevil is the only Marvel that I like, while DC has several titles that are interesting and distinctive. DC offers more range. Maybe not everything appeals to everyone, but there is more variety.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Brofest?

    by MattAdler

    Er... if it was a "brofest", why would I have questioned him about the reasons for the costume at all?

  • And they look nice, too.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST

    @pink-apocalypse: brofest! hahahahahah!!!

    by Poptard_JD

    I am one of the 99%. Well, the 99% that thought that Princess Koriand'r (Starfire) was a filthy, filthy whore in RED HOOD #1. I too have been grumbling as well as mumbling about the sexpot issue and was prepared to be further disgusted by issue 2. The first part felt like a gross mishandling of the character as we know her.....

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST

    and..

    by Poptard_JD

    I also called them out on the awful Superboy redesign with the S-symbol taped onto the wife-beater. Anyway, this interview was before the Starfire backlash. Also, I've mentioned the fact that Starfire's treatment was disgraceful in my previous reviews...so pbpbpthththththhhhhhhh to you. (see the above talkback where I quoted it) But that's cool, I guess we're just bro-ing it up over here. ;)

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Was the S symbol taped to the shirt actually part of the costume?

    by kungfuhustler84

    I thought that was just a practical joke, like Lee said. They are teenagers, after all. Was he actually wearing a little sign taped to his shirt throughout the first issue?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    How are DC getting away with this?

    by vadakinX

    I know the score. This isn't the White House press corp. If you ask tough questions you may not be asked back. But what amazes me is that nobody is taking the risk. Nobody is taking Johns and Didio to task. I've seen a dozen interviews with these guys and nobody seems to want to ask the simple question - why? Why removes the trunks? Why reset Action's issue count when it's so close to 1000? Why let Grant Morrison turn Superman into a prick in Action? Why give Superman armour (granted you guys asked that but you didn't press him)? Why relaunch the entire thing in the first place? If anyone from DC is reading this, I have a bit of news for you. The reason sales of your comics have been declining isn't because nobody is interested in comics. It isn't because new readers are intimidated by the vast continuity. Wikipedia has put an end to that particular excuse. No, the reason your sales declined is because of bad creative choices. You became too focused on events and crossovers. The writing across the board has also taken a massive dive. Relaunching and keeping the same writers who have failed so often makes no goddamn sense. Shock value became more important than good storytelling. And guess what. The same exact thing is happening in the relaunch. Starfire is a perfect example. The violence in some of the Batman titles is another. Sex and gore. Right? Wrong. DC lost readers because of bad creative choices. They're making bad choices in this relaunch. It's effectively just another event. Any boost in sales will drop off as soon as people realise that the stories just aren't up to scratch. This is what has happened across the previous events and the events themselves haven't always been up to scratch. That said, there are a few good writers at DC and thus there are some good stories in the relaunch. But those few aren't enough to justify what they've done and I suspect that DC will lose more readers than they gain.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:04 p.m. CST

    vadakinx for the most part I agree, but I like Supes in Action comics

    by kungfuhustler84

    He don't take no guff! Consider he's a younger, angrier guy focused on his role as an activist in a corrupt city run by old men who don't give a shit about the common folk. Give him time and I'm sure he'll be closer to the "boy scout" we've all gotten used to over the years. But honestly? I hope he doesn't change for awhile. It's refreshing to see him get so fired up over something he really believes him. Last time I can remember him being like that was when he took out "The Elite" back when Joe Kelly and Doug Mahnke wrote that one superb issue.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    What DC should have done.

    by vadakinX

    I've said that this relaunch is pointless. But if DC were determined to go through with it, they should have gone the whole way and rebooted the entire continuity. They should have given themselves 2 years to wrap up stories and provided satisfying conclusions for the characters. This should have been done in the run up to Action 1000. Every month, a number of titles would finish. Characters would get a "final" story and then bow out. Because the continuity would be ending, they could do what they liked. They could have killed off characters, heroes or villains, they could have had some retire and others go on as normal. Whatever they wanted. With comics dropping off every month, by the time we reach the last couple of months we'd be left with only 2. Detective Comics would tell the final Batman story and then finish. The final month would then be Action 1000, telling the final Superman story. And that would be it. Over. Action 1001 would become the new Action 1, the first issue of a brand new continuity that can tell new stories and reimagine old stories without worrying about past continuity. That's how you relaunch DC...of course if the writing is bad it doesn't matter what you do.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:13 p.m. CST

    IMO

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    --and this is coming from a guy with no real Marvel/DC preference, but occasionally dips into comics from time to time--I think the whole 52 thing is a bit silly. And I haven't really read that much of the new 52 to judge. But I did read Batwoman (I miss Greg Rucka), and Justice League Dark, and I have to say that at least from those 2 titles, I'm perfectly fine with the new 52 thus far. Both those titles were very very solid, and I don't mind seeing where they end up. About the whole Starfire thing, I did read the issue, and I feel not so much outraged, but just a bit disappointed about how the people running that comic are trying to make it sell. It's just the basic ploy of appealing to the lowest common denominator, which is depressing when they could be focusing on a decent story. Although to be fair, the new Starfire DOES look incredibly sultry and fantastic. So I guess I can't complain. Well, not much anyways.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Give me a break.

    by 3774

    When I bought a limited hardcover of WildC.A.T.S signed by him in Seattle back in the mid-nineties, I dug his work (mostly just Zealot). But I never imagined the day would come when he would be given the keys to the D.C. kingdom. It's a brofest because you soft-balled *everything*, didn't call him out on his ignorant cape response, or ask any meaningful follow-up on *anything*. A blind idiot can see that. But go ahead and high-five yourselves on a job well-done anyway. Who cares, right?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST

    vadakinx: a quote for you:

    by Poptard_JD

    "who's idea WAS all this? It doesn't feel like a Geoff Johns Idea to reboot everything and start afresh, is this something that… GJ: It's kind of a collective idea. I don't necessarily pull...I grew up in the late 80's and 90's, so I don't really pull from the Silver Age. Like I grew up with John Stewart as Green Lantern. It's not like I grew up with Hal Jordan and wanted Hal Jordan back, but when Green Lantern came up, I knew that, in order to make Green Lantern a big universe, they needed the pillar back. Like Hal Jordan is THAT pillar. His origin is great, the concept of the character is great: this daredevil that leaps in and pisses everybody off! And John Stewart and Guy Gardner I brought back, because I knew that he has a great personality and a great color to the core. Rayner was a great character, and I really wanted to get back to expanding it to everybody again. And in order for me to really make that work, I need Hal Jordan. And I've written Superboy, 90's character, right? Teen Titans was kinda fueled by 80's and 90's. But with this idea, it's not about trying to preserve any kind of age: 70's, 80's, 90's or 2000's, it's about creating a brand NEW age. And my initial reaction was "UH oh", right? I've really spent a lot of my stories building off of the foundation of the DC Universe. I like that foundation, I love those characters, whether they be Cyborg or Superboy, or the JSA or whoever, and I started to realize, as I talked to all of these creators, the freedom of reintroducing these, or re-imagining these characters was something, as a creator that I could really get excited about. To write a book, like Justice League or Aquaman or Green Lantern and be able to tell my own story and not worry about the constraints of past stories is new to me. It's really new. And SCARY! JD: I was gonna say, isn't that intimidating? GJ: It IS intimidating. But at the same time, with Justice League I was like you know what I'm gonna do....The most successful run, and my favorite run of JUSTICE LEAGUE is Grant Morrison's JLA, by far. And it was all about big ideas and making them these bigger than life characters, but then after that it was Keith Giffen's JUSTICE LEAGUE, which I grew up on in the late 80's and 90's. Awesome, awesome book. Loved the book. And I wanted to take the humor and personality of what they did and the epic scope of what Grant did and find my own voice in the team. So I wanted to make sure it was all about character first and personalities, because there's nothing more fun than watching Batman and Green Lantern trying to do something together...and it's never easy right? EVER. And I wanted to make sure it carried through not just 5 years ago, but today. I wanted to make the most interesting thing about this book be when you knew that Flash and Wonder Woman had to go do something. Right away, you knew that was going to be interesting to watch. So I wanted to make it all about the character interactions and relationships. At the same time, I wanted to make sure that the plots, the stories and the adventures they were facing were massive, so I'm trying to take a completely different tone to all my books and add more humor than usual. There's a lot of humor in JUSTICE LEAGUE, and AQUAMAN and GREEN LANTERN. So I wanted to change how I wrote, so for me, this is a big, big challenge. A massive challenge and a big departure from what I usually do.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    follow-up

    by Poptard_JD

    that quote was from the Geoff Johns interview...I technically asked WHO'S idea was this, but it was also basically a WHY. And I think he answered that pretty well.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    kungfuhustler84

    by vadakinX

    This is Superman we're talking about. He's not supposed to be an angry youth. He's not supposed to be taunting the police. Yes, it's true that in the original Action #1 Superman broke into places, took the law into his own hands etc but that was in 1938. The character has evolved since then and even if you take that original story into account, Superman was never as much of a prick as Morrison has made him. Then there's that awful "costume" that he wears. Superman isn't an angry god, no matter how much DC would like him to be. Some people call the traditional Superman boring and label him a boy scout. But that's the whole point. He represents the best of humanity. He's a symbol of what we could become. He was also raised by the greatest parents in the history of the world. He has no reason to be angry. He wants to help people and that's it.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:24 p.m. CST

    What DC should have done..

    by Poptard_JD

    If they did it that way..killing off some books every month..that would have been books they weren't going to make money from the next month, so of course, in order to not have to close their doors, they had to finish them all at once and start them the very next week. Not having books on the shelves would mean no paychecks for their employees.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST

    By 'imagine the day would come'....

    by 3774

    ...I mean that my reaction would have been, 'No...no no no no.' He's right for his universe and work, but the wrong style and wrong vision for the DC legacy.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Kungfuhustler:

    by Poptard_JD

    no, that was a joke on Superboy by Kid Flash...I didn't realize that was the case, and thought the taped symbol on the wifebeater was supposed to be some lame attempt at punk-rock or something. That's why I asked Jim that question, and then breathed a sigh of relief when he said it was a practical joke! ;)

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:30 p.m. CST

    It doesn't matter what you think he's "supposed" to be

    by kungfuhustler84

    He is who he is, and in my opinion, he's a perfect reflection of the American psyche at large today. Even the best in society get fired up about something, if they truly believe in that thing (in this case social justice). As you said, he was raised by good parents in a rather peaceful model town, so it seems like a natural progression that he would be totally unsettled with the state of the big city. He's still out there to help people of course, but when he's getting shot in the back with a tank how is he supposed to act? And don't tell me he's gotta act differently because it's not 1938 anymore. The economy is doing proportionately almost as bad as it was then.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST

    poptard

    by vadakinX

    I read that interview. What you quoted doesn't answer why. Oh it reveals that Geoff Johns was pretty much sick of the continuity and wanted to recreate DC in his image, but Johns' personal feelings about what he wanted to write don't justify such an extensive relaunch. Look, I like some of Johns work. His Aquaman comic in the relaunch is pretty good. But ever since he became the Chief Creative Officer or whatever the title is of DC Entertainment, it's like all of DC is revolving around him. His influence on the Green Lantern movie is clear and while I enjoyed Secret Origins, Johns influence prevented the film from being the space epic Green Lantern could and should have been...well that and Greg Berlanti's script...and Martin Campbell's direction and casting choices (don't get me wrong, he's a good director but was all wrong for what should have been a comic book Star Wars). Sorry, I'm getting off track here. Johns wanted to make the DC universe into something that he liked. That's OK. But what about everyone else? What about Didio and Lee? Why did they go along with this? To me this reeks of One More Day on a much larger scale. Joe Quesada wanted Spidey to be young and single. The feeling was that writers didn't like Peter and Mary Jane being married. In truth, they just didn't have the talent to tell interesting stories with such a dynamic. They also struggled with Spideys status in the Marvel universe after Civil War. So Quesada decides to hit the reset button...without losing continuity...I'm still not sure how that was supposed to work. 52 feels like the same thing to me in that DC were struggling to tell interesting stories with the universe set up as it was. So rather than striving for a higher standard they did a soft reset, allowing them to get rid of the things they didn't like such as Lois and Clark being married, Hal Jordan having a history of intergalactic genocide etc. Add that to Johns ego and you have 52 - because we ran out of ideas. As I said in a previous post, if DC were going to relaunch, they should have gone the whole way. Give the continuity an ending and then start again from the beginning. At least then old readers would have a complete continuity to look back on and new readers could start fresh. It would also have allowed writers to retell the best stories from the old continuity without having to go back and make sure that they weren't messing up the details. Apologies for the length of my reply. I'm a writer myself and sometimes I don't know when to stop.

  • I called him out on why Superman, a man who is bullet proof, needs ARMOR. I called them out on the ridiculousness of an S-symbol taped to Superboy's back. I didn't find his comment about Superman's cape ignorant and so I didn't follow up on it. I agree. That thing would be a hindrance, and it's ridiculous if you think about it. See The Incredibles film. This interview would have been exactly the same if we were interviewing a female, so your "bro" theory is both inaccurate and ignorant. But hey, if you want to email him up for an interview and recount all the reasons he sucks and why he has the wrong style and wrong vision for the DC Legacy, you go right ahead and let me know when you receive your response, you hard-hitting Lois Lane, you.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    vadakinx:

    by Poptard_JD

    you're making assumptions based on nothing. he said it was a collective decision, so you blaming the whole thing on Johns is a bit unfounded.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Why?

    by MattAdler

    "Why give Superman armour (granted you guys asked that but you didn't press him)?" Ok, see now I think this gets to the heart of the matter; it's not that we didn't ask tough questions, but it's that we didn't press him. And I have to say, I think this is an unrealistic expectation on the part of fans. If you're interviewing a politician, he's accountable to voters; he HAS to answer the questions or else he doesn't get elected. Or if someone has potentially broken the law (eg; Rupert Murdoch), or is responsible for a plunging stock price (Reed Hastings), they may see it in their best interest to allow themselves to get pummeled by reporters, or else risk the wrath of shareholders. But Superman's costume? It's a big deal to you and me, because we're comic fans, but Time Warner shareholders by and large don't know about it and won't worry about it unless for some reason people start selling Time Warner stock like crazy because they don't like Superman's new costume. Which is kind of unlikely. So if we "press" him about a subject which he clearly didn't have much interest in discussing.... he can very easily say "Ok, interview over." Would that really make for a better interview? From my perspective as an interviewer, it's my job to figure out when I've gotten the most I'm going to get out of my subject on a particular topic. The reason you don't see comics interviews where people badger the creators is because the interviews are entirely voluntary. They don't have to do them at all. The closest you'll see to that is when someone gets up at a con panel and makes a rude comment... and they're quickly ushered away.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Poptard and kungfuhustler84

    by vadakinX

    @poptard, I admit my idea of dropping comics every month is one that could potentially be suicide financially. OK, so keep the books going and end them all at the same time, restarting the next month with a brand new continuity. I think that general idea would have been the best way to go. Sure it would mean losing some old readers who don't want to start again with the new continuity but that's happening anyway. The fact that DC decided to keep the stories from their top tier writers (by which I means the ones with the most influence at DC, not necessarily the best writers), muddling up the continuity even further illustrates that a clean break would have been the best way to go if they were intent on relaunching. @kungfuhustler All I'm saying is that he shouldn't be a jerk. He shouldn't be taunting the police, saying "catch me if you can" as he leaps over cop cars with a grin on his face. I'm not against Superman fighting for social justice. Personally I prefer that Clark Kent be the one who does that but I'm certainly not against the character evolving. But Superman is supposed to be a symbol. He doesn't wear a mask because he wants people to trust him. That includes the authorities. I'm fine with the military and police mistrusting him at first. But Superman doesn't earn that trust by being an asshole. Incidentally, you talked about economic times being similar to that of the time Superman was first published. What's interesting to me is that Superman has been at his most popular during tough times. His initial run, coupled with newspaper strips, the radio show and Fleischer shorts were done around the second world war. The George Reeves show was done during the red scare. Superman The Movie was post Vietnam. I bring this up because if there was ever a time for a traditional, kind hearted Superman who embodies hope it's now. We live in cynical times and that's when Superman is at his most popular. People look for escape. They look for a sense of a brighter future. I hope Snyder takes that into account with his film and I hope Morrison has realised this as well and that angry Superman will disappear quickly. Now is the time for the boy scout.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    If he doesn't 'have interest in discussing it'...

    by 3774

    ...something that means so much to fans...then why the hell is he in charge of the franchise? And poptard, I have nothing left to say to a trolling, apologist moron like you. I use douchbags, but I've never seen douchbags animate themselves and use each other like you have.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I do agree that the DC reboot should have been all-encompasing..

    by Poptard_JD

    rebooting some things and not rebooting other things makes for more confusion. not the best idea. I would have gone with a "hard" reboot. I agree with you there.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Also, Matt: fan-boys and girls are extremely self-centered..

    by Poptard_JD

    My opinion is THIS and everyone should agree with THIS, and why didn't you press him about the very specific thing that I wanted you to press him about???

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Pink Apocalypse

    by MattAdler

    How about we play a little game? Ask ME the questions you wanted asked, and I'll play Jim Lee in response, since part of my job as interviewer is to have some idea of what the subject will say in response to a given question. If you feel my responses aren't realistic or what he would have said, feel free to say so. Because right now, you keep saying we didn't ask the tough questions, but you haven't even given one example of WHAT questions you think would have gotten a more interesting or enlightening response from Jim (if you think "Nice talking to you, bye" is a more interesting response, I'll have to disagree though).

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Matt

    by vadakinX

    Forgive me, I wasn't trying to single you guys out specifically. I was talking in general terms about how nobody seems to have asked. It's interesting that you talked about Comic Con. In my experience, when someone asks a tough question at Comic Con the panelist responds with a humorous remark, avoiding the question completely, then moving on. This is true of pretty much every panel at Comic Con. One exception I remember is Bryan Singer who was asked about the Superman suit being changed. Rather than avoid the question he tackled it head on and 5 minutes later he had the whole auditorium convinced that it was an exact replica of the Reeve suit. Looking back now and comparing it to the new suit from Man of Steel, the Returns suit was surprisingly traditional. Getting back to asking tough questions, well here's the thing. We're customers. Right? We both know that fans are fickle and rarely agree on anything, but even so we're customers. We buy the comics. We go to see the movies (or don't go in the case of Green Lantern...). DC may not be a political entity but they are answerable to us on some level. Without us they don't have a business and as customers we are entitled to know what's going on. On the specific issue of the Superman suit, I've had lively debates about the Man of Steel suit with people but for me it comes back to a single, undeniable fact - the Superman suit is iconic. It's all about the visual image. It has survived pretty much unscathed for 7 decades. Everytime it's changed, it's reverted back to the traditional design (albeit with a few tweaks). I expect it do so again. It just works. Briefs and all. It's not something that should be changed lightly and it saddens me that not only are DC changing it in the comics, but the wider world will see a Superman suit in Man of Steel that isn't that traditional iconic image.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST

    AICN: The only place where hard-hitting interviews...

    by Sithtastic

    involve "cape" questions, complete with follow ups. I love every minute. I too am one of those lapsed readers of the 90's and was a huge fan of Lee going back to 1991 and followed him through the Image years. I was happy to see him jump to DC as well and the visuals he produced were stunning. But for all his glorious (albeit questionable this time out) new costume work and as-usual-clean line work, the one thing glaringly inconsistent in the new 52 is writing. Vidakinx nailled it when he said bad creative decisions have largely led to a decline in comic sales. In short, you simply cannot have superstar creators called out for their mistakes in a re-boot if the reboot wasn't necessarily their idea. I realize this of course incriminates Mr.Lee, but I said he was a good artist. That did not make him infallible.

  • I'm sure you are a really great person with a lot to be excited about in your life. Maybe go spend time doing that instead of trolling on a site and calling strangers on the internet names?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Also, Pink: you really shouldn't use douchebags.

    by Poptard_JD

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Why is Jim Lee in charge of the franchise?

    by MattAdler

    "If he doesn't 'have interest in discussing it'... something that means so much to fans...then why the hell is he in charge of the franchise?" Ok, I'm actually going to use this as a sample question, modified a little bit. EARTH-2 MATT: Why did DC put you in charge of rebooting their universe? EARTH-2 JIM: Umm... I guess they thought I was the best man for the job. EARTH-2 MATT: But when I asked you that question about Superman's costume, you didn't seem like you thought it was a big deal, even though a lot of fans seem to. Shouldn't someone who cares more about those sorts of things be in charge? EARTH-2 JIM: I disagree. I think what DC needs most now is more of an outsider's perspective, not the perspective of a hardcore fan. Now where do I go at that point? Continue to argue with him over it (assuming I passionately disagree with him)?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Womanshealth.gov has some advice you may need:

    by Poptard_JD

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists suggests women avoid douching completely. In most cases the vagina's acidic environment "cleans" the vagina. If there is a strong odor or irritation it usually means something is wrong. Douching can increase your chances of infection. The only time you should douche is when your doctor tells you to.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Poptard Re: fanboys

    by vadakinX

    I have to take issue with your statement if it's directed at me. If it's not...well...carry on. Superman is my favourite superhero. In fact I am a screen writer by trade and my dream job would be to write a Superman movie (I have myself convinced that David Goyer stole my ideas, ha!). I'd also like to write Wonder Woman, Hawkman and Booster Gold movies...oh and a Question TV series...but I digress. The point is, I have a vision of Superman in my head. I talk about Superman from that personal perspective. I am also fully aware that my views on Superman and other fanboy things isn't necessarily shared by everyone. In fact I go into debates assuming that everyone disagrees with me because it makes for a better conversation in my opinion. As you can tell by my username, I'm also a huge Star Wars fan. In fact I like the prequels. That alone has put me at the wrong end of many a fanboy rant so I know full well the mindset of certain people who demand that people see things their way. I just want to make it clear that this isn't me. I like the debate. I like the conversation. If I came across as being all about me and my opinions, I apologise. That wasn't my intention. Having said that...Superman without trunks isn't Superman and to hell with anyone who disagrees. :P

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Superman without trunks is like Donald Duck with pants on

    by kungfuhustler84

    It just looks wrong.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST

    no no no Vadakinx, that's not to you at all.

    by Poptard_JD

    I apologize if you thought that was a dig at you. It was more in response to people like Pink_Apocalypse, who think that if we don't ask the questions THEY want you to ask (I guess by reading her mind to know that she wants us to ask them?) then we suck and the site sucks and Jim Lee sucks and name-calling, blahblahblah. I'll change my statement from Fan-boys/girls to just Fan-babies.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    jesus poptard give it a rest

    by kungfuhustler84

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Matt

    by vadakinX

    Your last Earth 2 answer intrigues me...if what DC needed was an outsiders perspective, then why are the same people writing the relaunch? Just a thought. I think that would be the next obvious question. Then you'd probably be thrown out, never to be invited to anything DC related again.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    I can't! It's just so much fun! ok i'm sorry. Ahem. I'm done.

    by Poptard_JD

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Vadakin makes a great point

    by kungfuhustler84

    Fresh talent with new perspectives on old heroes might have resulted in fresh readers.

  • Is this really a thing? All these debates about capes and man-panties and stuff just fly over my head. Haven't people been making fun of Superman and Batman wearing "their underwear on the outside" for years and years? I'm sure that after awhile the things that stick will stay and the things that don't will revert. It's the way of things. Forget his underoos...for awhile there Supes was wearing all black and silver, and for awhile he was made of red electricity or whatever..and then he went back to normal. I think what really annoys me (not about YOU, mind, but Fan-babies) is that it's COMIC BOOKS. So many people seem to lose sight of the fact that these are just entertainment and when they make such a big deal of things and go trolling on websites starting fights, it takes the entertainment out of it, doesn't it? Again, this isn't about anyone in particular. Everything is cyclical. Hell, people even thought BELL-BOTTOMS were a good idea...a SECOND TIME! ;)

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:32 p.m. CST

    I'm more of a fan of the idea than the execution

    by vadakinX

    I have a strange relationship with comics. I love the concepts. For me, Marvel is like Shakespeare and DC is like Homer (the poet, not the Simpson). But I found myself not enjoying comics. I love the ideas. Superman as a concept is brilliant. I'm a huge fan of Greek myth so Wonder Woman appeals to me, again as a concept. But too often, the execution doesn't match up to the ideas. That's been DC's biggest problem. I also think they're too concerned with being relevant and getting exposure. If they come up with good stories and execute them well, people will read them. But if they keep doing event after event, crossover after crossover with no real purpose other than to boost sales, people will see through it and walk away. That's what they've been doing. As much as I don't like 52 as general concept, it does give them the chance to streamline everything and give a bigger focus to the stories and characters. I hope it works out that way. I have my doubts but we'll see what comes.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:33 p.m. CST

    vadakinx/kungfu: agreed.

    by Poptard_JD

    I was really underwhelmed when I saw all the same old names for the upcoming DCnU. I expected something more like what Marvel did in the early 00's..bring in new exciting names and talent from other industries and so-forth. But I have to say, I've been enjoying more than half of the new 52.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:34 p.m. CST

    by MattAdler

    "Forgive me, I wasn't trying to single you guys out specifically. I was talking in general terms about how nobody seems to have asked." I know, and I should say I wasn't singling you out either; I actually got similar comments on another forum about our Geoff Johns interview. It's just that I think fans who have not had a lot of experience in interviewing tend not to think much about the process-- they simply think about whichever issue they're upset about, and if they don't see the interviewer expressing that same anger, they feel it's a sellout. But as I said before, as an interviewer, I have to think about getting the best possible interview. It's not about me and my opinions, it's about me trying to get as much insight from the subject as I think is possible. I had a recent phone interview with a creator who is a notoriously bad interviewee; he hates doing them, and makes no attempt to work with the interviewer. I knew that going in, tailored my questions accordingly, and tried to keep the interview moving as quickly as possible so as to avoid a boondoggle. And IMO, it turned out a LOT better than another recent interview with the same creator which got attention for what a disaster it was (no, I'm not gonna answer guesses... it shouldn't be too hard to figure out anyway). Why would I do such an interview at all? Generally it's because I think you guys would be interested in hearing from the creator in question. "It's interesting that you talked about Comic Con. In my experience, when someone asks a tough question at Comic Con the panelist responds with a humorous remark, avoiding the question completely, then moving on. This is true of pretty much every panel at Comic Con." I agree, although in my comment I was thinking of the guy who stood up at a con and demanded that Joe Quesada be fired. But in either case, if they don't want to answer the question or address the opinion, they don't have to. "Getting back to asking tough questions, well here's the thing. We're customers. Right? We both know that fans are fickle and rarely agree on anything, but even so we're customers. We buy the comics. We go to see the movies (or don't go in the case of Green Lantern...). DC may not be a political entity but they are answerable to us on some level. Without us they don't have a business and as customers we are entitled to know what's going on. " I agree with that, but at a certain point, you have to vote with your wallet. I think they have been relatively forthcoming in interviews, but as long as the comics sell well, they don't have much reason to change their approach. Still, some issues have gotten a response from them; the lady dressed as Batgirl seems to have gotten their attention, and Wonder Woman's costume certainly changed as a result of fan outcry. If enough people vote with their wallets on the Superman issue, I'm sure that will change too.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Re: Trunks

    by vadakinX

    Yes, people care. Yes, people made fun of them. That didn't stop the trunks being an iconic part of the costume. Look at the Man of Steel costume. without the trunks and a yellow belt, it just looks like a blue scuba suit. The trunks serve to break up the blue of the main suit. You brought up the electric and black suits. The key thing to remember is that the suit ALWAYS reverted back to the traditional. DC have tried a lot of things over the years. Some have worked and become a mainstay of the mythos while others have been discarded. The suit has been one of those things that has remained constant. Superman looks almost naked without them. Do they serve a purpose other than breaking up the blue? Of course...they hold the belt up :P Superman is a visual icon. Even as times changed, the suit remained consistent, barring a few tweaks and some experimental looks that were quickly abandoned. In all that time the suit has continued to work. There was absolutely no need to change it in the way that DC did and Snyder did. More than that, there is now a lack of yellow in both the comics suit and the movie suit. The comics still have yellow in the S but in the movie, the yellow fill colour for the shield is murky. The colours of the suit are as important as the elements. Red, blue, yellow. Primary colours representing the purity of Superman. That's now missing.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    That Donald duck line was a joke JD :)

    by kungfuhustler84

    OF COURSE Supes' costume will go back to the way it was sooner or later, especially considering the reception of his new armored look. Then again, it's a visual medium. What these characters wear is meant to speak volumes about their character without saying anything. So what are we telling children when we illustrate what vadakinx applied referred to as a "symbol," perhaps the most iconic hero of our time, in battle gear? Is he a champion of the oppressed or is he a war god? He can't be both, since war is by nature oppressive. And simply calling comics entertainment is kind of missing the point don't you think? Yes, that is their primary goal, just like their primary goal is to make money so they can financially support their creators, but they are just as much a reflection of our society and culture as film, or literature or any other outlet where people choose to express themselves.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST

    that's supposed to say "aptly reffered to..."

    by kungfuhustler84

    ok time to give the computer a break. Nice chatting with you folks!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    I still think Bruce Timm should have been brought on board.

    by vadakinX

    When I say that, I don't necessarily mean as a writer or even as someone operating on the comics side at all. The role Johns has at DC Entertainment is something I believe should have been given to Timm. He is someone who has experience at successfully adapting the comics for a wider audience (granted it was animation but I think the point is still valid). I think it's pretty telling that while Marvel have been kicking DC's ass with live action movies, Timm has brought about a reverse in the animation department and I'd love to see him overseeing DC projects for the big screen. I think Johns is too close to the comics side of things and frankly, Jeff Robinov at Warners also needs to step back. Marvel's success has come in letting them do their thing. With DC it's looking like hiring Nolan for Batman was more of a fluke than than general change in strategy.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Well said, Vadakinx..

    by Poptard_JD

    I love what you said about the primary colors.. And I, for one, understand and like that the shorts broke up the colors and I loved the yellow symbol on the cape, not the black symbol. my point though, is the same as yours..it'll probably revert back to the original at some point.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:50 p.m. CST

    The same people writing...

    by MattAdler

    Ok, going with vadakinx's question... EARTH-2 MATT: If you think people with an outsider's perspective should be guiding this relaunch, why are so many of the creators old names? EARTH-2 JIM: I disagree with that characterization; just because someone has been around a long time in the industry doesn't mean that they can't bring fresh ideas and outlooks to the game, and I think that's just what our creators are doing. "Then you'd probably be thrown out, never to be invited to anything DC related again. " I don't necessarily think that, but by this point, Jim would probably start clamming up, seeing me as someone out to slam his colleagues, and he'd be looking to wrap up the interview... "Well, good talking to you, but I'm on a tight schedule, and there are other reporters waiting."

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Speaking of armour (armor for the fine Americans here)...

    by vadakinX

    I must say I don't like the concept. I'm fine with a Kryptonian \S/ but I always loved the baby blankets idea for the suit. A strong Kryptonian fabric meant to protect Kal-El on his journey to Earth that becomes the basis for Superman's outfit as made by Martha Kent, providing a connection to both worlds. It's simple and somewhat poetic. Both 52 and Man Of Steel are using the ceremonial armour origin for the suit and for me it diminished the Kents role in creating Superman. I think it's a shame.

  • Q. But isn't the relaunch being done because those writers actually can't come up with fresh ideas? -- Would I ask that question? As an interviewer working for a website that relies on maintaining cordial relationships in order to get future access, probably not. As a pissed off fanboy cosplaying as pre-52 Starfire? Absolutely. By the way, have you guys played Arkham City? For my money, the Arkham games have the best Batman costume that could be used in a movie I've seen. And it has trunks.

  • Yes, he's still Superman. Yes all the elements from the original Action #1 are present in the relaunch. But I have the feeling that part of the reason for the change, specifically in reference to Morrison's 5 years earlier storyline, is meant to prepare fans for the possibility that in just a couple of years, Superman as we know him may be gone. Everyone assumes that Time Warner and the Siegel and Shuster families won't let it get that far. After all, the families can't do much with the property on their own given that it would be only a percentage of the character and mythos and Time Warner, while they could continue with a new kind of Superman, it wouldn't be the one everyone knows. But both sides are so entrenched now and the whole affair has become so bitter that there's a real possibility that Superman may be torn in two. The redesign of Superman may be part of a plan to recreate the character over time and slowly get fans used to the idea if the worst happens.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I haven't played Arkham City yet...

    by Poptard_JD

    I pre-ordered it, but haven't been able to afford actually buying it yet!!! I can't WAIT!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST

    as for "hard-hitting" journalism: here you go

    by Poptard_JD

    I interviewed Johnny Cupcakes, and within the first 30 seconds I call him a dick and later, like an asshole, I question why he charges $30 a shirt! ;) http://www.poptardsgo.com/?p=2735

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Hypothetical questions, rampant speculation, shameless self-promotion

    by kungfuhustler84

    Yep, it's a comics talkback!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Well I'm off

    by vadakinX

    It's 3:30 in the morning here and I have a script to write. I do my best writing at this time so it's time to get cracking. Before I go though.... Location: Alien Strip Club on an otherwise deserted rock floating in space somewhere on the other side of the milky way. Alien girls dance topless, swinging on poles, entertaining a young-looking green dude and his friends. They're a rowdy bunch, laughing and hollering as the Mr. Green Alien gets a lapdance. In a booth in the corner, another alien clad in leather has his head down. He's in pain. Suffering from a severe hangover. He calls out to the rowdy patrons to keep the noise down. They ignore him. He does it again, louder and more forcefully this time. The rowdy group turn their attention to him. A few of them pull out blades and stride towards him. They warn him not to piss them off. For the first time, the hungover alien raises his head. The group backs away, as if the fear of god has been put into them. The hungover alien stands up. He carries a steel chain in his right hand. The group tries to apologise for disturbing him. It's too late. The hungover alien swings the chain. It wraps around one of their necks. He pulls. The neck breaks. Fearing for his life, a second group member lunges with his blade. The hungover alien grabs his hand, and slams it back into the guys face, sticking the blade right through his eye. The final two come at him together. The hungover alien doesn't flinch. He lashes the first with the chain and punches the second in the throat, killing him. He turns back to the first, wraps the chain around his neck and hangs it from the ceiling fan. He twitches for a few moments and then stops, dead. The hungover alien removes the chain and strides towards the green alien. The strippers are now hiding underneath the bar. The hungover alien grabs the green alien by his antennae and starts dragging him out of the club. The strippers all ask him to say. He apologizes and says he has a bounty to collect. He walks outside the bar with the green alien being dragged behind. He picks him up and throws him onto the back his bike, tying him up with the chain. The hungover alien gets on the bike. He's about to start it up but pauses and looks back at the club. "Fuck it. I've got time." He gets off the bike, looks at the tyed up green alien on the back. "Don't you go nowhere." He starts walking back into the strip club, removing his belt as he goes, calling out the the strippers as he enters. Meanwhile the green alien remains tied to the bike, screaming for help but nobody is coming to save him. Title appears: LOBO - THE MAIN MAN And that's the first scene of my R Rated Lobo movie if Joel Silver ever returns my calls. Ha! Later all!.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Questions.

    by 3774

    I don't know! You know, you can't over-think it...

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Questions.

    by 3774

    I don't know! You know, you can't over-think it...

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST

    by 3774

    Alright, I guess I'll keep trying. 1.) Why throw away the 1000 issue milestone? Was it even discussed? With who? What was said? 2.) What's the reason behind Perez leaving Superman after issue #6, and handing the title off to others, who have already handled the material before? 3.) Where's Captain Marvel? 4.) Do you have artists doing double-duty as writers to maintain 52 titles? With the typical 25-to-35 titles a month in the past, isn't it just asking for deadline problems and lack of quality? 5.) John Byrne once theorized that the sliding timeline of the DCverse was about 7 years long. Just out of curiosity, who decided on 5 years, and why? 6.) Superman's suit will be product-tied, so another change seems unlikely, for those who hate it. But when it comes to things like the sex-objectification of characters like Starfire (and to a lesser extent, Catwoman), are the creative forces involved willing to rethink their decisions, or will they just 'double-down' and ultimately disregard intense criticism, after nothing more than a dutiful acknowledgment? 7.) Why was Voodoo chosen? How big did her 'stripper sex appeal' factor into the decision, as opposed to someone like Zealot? 8.) Lee was once asked by a female fan in a Batgirl costume about the unsatisfactory portrayal of women in comics, using covers as examples. Lee then flippantly asked her if she would prefer them "...dead center or off-center?" My question is, has anyone informed Lee that sarcasm is the recourse of a feeble mind in debate? 9.) Janice Asselin recently quit DC to work for Marvel, saying 'At some point a comic publisher will realize that they can grow their audience by quite a bit by targeting women. As long as they go about it in an intelligent way.' What are Lee's thoughts on this, specifically? 10.) Perhaps sarcasm is all that Mr. Lee understands. I will be considerate and phrase the next question accordingly. Will we at least have a chance to thrill at the sight of watching Power Girl bake Mister Terrific a cake? And finally, I'll consider the following question answered with this interview... 11.) How can you justify a radical change to Superman's costume; an iconic image for literally generations of fans? *I don't know! You know, you can't over-think it...* I translate that in my head as, 'Because I thought it looked cool.' Right.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Oh, and for poptard the misogynist.

    by 3774

    I'm so sorry your juvenile attempts at humor didn't shame me away. Sorry to disappoint you on any 'female response' you might have wanted. Welcome to the 21st century, fuck-o.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Re: Where's Captain Marvel?

    by kungfuhustler84

    He'll be in a back-up for the Justice League, which I will sadly not be reading because I have no interest in anything Johns or Lee are producing for DC. I miss him too..and Plastic Man!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Careful.

    by 3774

    I have to sit down to pee. Agreeing with me on anything will make you look bad here.

  • Because Facial Recognition and Handheld cameras exist, so if they update their characters for a modern era they might want to do something about that gaping plot hole.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Shame u away?

    by Poptard_JD

    If u notice, u started this nonsense by attacking us for being men. "broing" or whatever bs u called it. Also, u were the one calling names needlessly. Calling someone u dont know douchebag because u dont like the questions i asked in an interview that I traveled to NYC from Philly, on my own dime, and then transcribed from audio for you the reader to perhaps enjoy for free? I would think That alone would be enough to shame yourself away, but whatevs. Everyone here gets treated with respect by the reviewers if respect is what they are shown, regardless of sex or race, etc and so on. Being disrespected has nothing to do with u peeing sitting down, it has to do with u being a disrespectful jerk and receiving the same in return. I certainly hope ur nicer in person for the sake of those around u. Bravo on bringing back "fuck-o" though, u classy thing, you.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    And ur the only one standing in ur way

    by Poptard_JD

    http://www.go-girl.com/ U don't HAVE to sit down to pee. Welcome to the 21st century.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    pink_apocalypse, is that you Suzie from Upstate NY?

    by mdk

    Naw, probably not. Anyway, the Supes costume: It probably won't be long before it changes to resemble the Man Of Steel movie costume, which, unfortunately, is also badly-designed crap. Unless Snyder's opus pulls a Green Lantern, in which case, it'll stay the same for a while, at least. It really is a horrible design, though, which is odd considering the other Lee stuff isn't nearly so bad. Except Supergirl's new duds... I don't know WTF what that getup is supposed to be about. At least that new Turkish artist is pretty good and thus, keeps SG from looking completely ludicrous through sheer talent alone. Must be due to a diet of good kebob and that super-strong coffee or something. Lastly there's Harley Quinn in a "sexy" Halloween costume from Hot Topic. The less said about that one, the better.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    Saen:

    by Poptard_JD

    I can't speak to all the heroes, but waaay back in John Byrne's Superman in the 80's I think... It was said that Supes vibrates his head at a certain speed to keep people from seeing him too clearly, or getting good photographs of him. Haha given enough thought, they can explain away almost anything!!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Supergirl: especially those weird knee-less boots!

    by Poptard_JD

    What is the point and/or function of those??? Ludicrous!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Ok but what about favorite costume redesign?

    by kungfuhustler84

    I'm going with Animal Man.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Fave redesign

    by Poptard_JD

    I actually liked Wonder Woman's new look, when she had the pants.. I'm with u on AM, thank god they got rid of that old costume with the goggles

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Sort of sad that guy will never do a Marvel book again

    by chien_sale

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Ran out of tape?!?!? HAHAHAHA

    by KGB3317

    Yeah right! More like Jim Lee was done with the interview. Who records interviews on tape anyways? Even my roommate, who is not a journalist, has a digital voice recorder. Nice try guys......nice try

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST

    DC Comics are finally appealing to me.

    by Dazz

    Congrats.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST

    No, really. I was using a really old tape recorder!

    by Poptard_JD

    I'm poor, dude. I do what I can with what I have! :) I have since bought a digital recorder for my interviews at NYCC and it's awesome! But yeah this interview was done on a tape recorder from like..the 80s or some shit.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST

    And there were at least 3 more questions after this..

    by Poptard_JD

    But I didn't realize the tape had stopped! I was so pissed at myself when I got home! Oh well

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST

    @ has_snyder_been_fired_from_superman_yet...

    by 3774

    I'm not her, whoever that is. I live in Washington State. I was under the impression that the Man of Steel costume is directly influenced by the new comic incarnation. Which is probably the reason they initially 'shadowed out' the lack of tights in the first public view pic. I have zero faith in Snyder's project. I adored Superman Returns. Pacing and the casting choice for Lois was the only thing that prevented it from being a perfect requel film, and I'm resentful that story won't be continued. His 'extreme masculine, extreme feminine', slow-motion-CGI-sludge manages to jam-pack 10 minutes of action into 2 hours of film. Color me unthrilled.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    'Johnny Destructo' the misogynist.

    by 3774

    I call it a brofest because you're doing nothing but sitting around 'broing it up'. For the same reason my boyfriend refers to my friends and I sitting around laughing as 'henfest'. The big difference being, we're just friends talking. You're supposed to be professionals doing a job, asking *real* questions the fans count on for answers. *Manhating* had nothing to do with it. I love some men. Making me think, feel tingly, challenged, or supported will cause that. I also hate others. Objectifying and insulting me, personally or institutionally, will cause that. Someday when you grow up, you'll find out that's how most women are. At this point, you've said more than enough to hang yourself, though. I look forward to seeing what other people think of this entire exchange. And thanks for the pic to repost with the words.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    sigh. so which are you, the kettle or the pot?

    by Poptard_JD

    you attacked me first. don't pretend to be insulted when someone comes back at you when you come at them sideways. and again, as I said earlier: this isn't a JOB. I'm a professional graphic designer, and a professional illustrator. THOSE are jobs. This is something that I do for free, for the love of it. Having to pay my own way to NY, having to pay for parking, having to use my embarrassingly low-tech 80's tape recorder, and having to drive all the way back to Philly at 3 in the morning and then go to work when I got home...that's all part of it. Sadly, putting up with people like you, who thinks something is owed to them on a site that they get content from FOR FREE, and thinks it's ok to be an asshole to the reviewers out of the blue because you can hide behind the anonymity of your computer, is ALSO part of it. It's also entertaining. It's so pathetic, it's hilarious. People like you tickle me to no end. I like the new Ultimate Spider-Man who is black, so a talkbacker said that I'm a self-hating white racist. I didn't like Captain America so a talk-backer called me a "pinko commie sissy" and a "lefty elitist asshole". I don't sit here and allow you to just berate me for no reason and I'm a misogynist. But *I'm* the one that needs to grow up. "That the fans count on for answers" You don't like the answers I bring you, fine. You wrote your own questions, send them to Jim Lee for answers. Stop counting on other people to get off their asses for you, and do it yourself. You don't like my interviews, read other ones. You don't like this site, go to another one. What do people like you get out of just being assholes to people you don't know? It's amazing to me, and cowardly. And you're welcome for the pic. Let me know if you need any more. I'm not the one hiding behind my computer and posting anonymously.

  • Dear Pot: Yes, go whine about what a misogynistic jerk I am to other strangers I don't know on the internet. Sounds like a really good use of your time. And totally something a "grown-up" would do. ;) Sincerely, Kettle.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Johnny Destructo.

    by 3774

    I have videos as well as pics online. And I can't count the number of death threats for being (and I'm quoting literally, here) 'A cunt that won't learn her place and shut the fuck up if it's a man-dominated medium'. Not to mention the unwanted, graphic, unsolicited sexual advances. But you're right. Let's pretend you have the same concerns and regard for safety I do. Someone didn't bother with Gender Studies 101, or college period. I used to be all shiny, and happy, and blissfully naive and ignorant about the way of things, and how institutionalized things like sexism are. Then I started feeling indirectly insulted by a medium I loved, so I would ask questions. For doing so, I would get directly insulted for challenging the sexist status quo. So I would call that out, and get attacked in all sorts of manners ment to try and silence me. Which was like a vicious cycle, turning me into what I am today. Disillusioned is an understatement. Now you try and make a claim about calling out the same issues I have (RE: Starfire), but yet seem pretty comfortable chumming it up with one of the men ultimately responsible for it all. Then you get your boxers in a twist over me calling you out on that, and you resort to....well. Take a look. All because I got uppity and wouldn't shut the hell up. When it comes to passing off your hobby as some great and noble sacrifice, give me a fucking break. There are people that would give anything for the ability to do what you're trying to complain about for sympathy. If you don't like it, or think that Hurr Durr it's just comic books none of it really matters Herp Derp, then quit doing it. A long line of others will eventually replace you. Nothing of value will be lost, because you have an opportunity to help affect real change by speaking directly to those responsible, giving a more effective voice for those without the opportunity. And yet you piss it away. Probably because you can do so standing up. That's what the cynical side of me says, anyway.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST

    You don't want to pull in OLD readers.

    by Jem Finch

    This is true in my case. I am only one person, I don't speak for the world, so relax your crack angry trolls. I don't like this revamp. I am in my 40s, collected comics for over 30 years, and I have no interest in another continuity reboot. I was in the minority, I enjoyed much of the DC I was buying and wanted to see that "timeline" go on. I checked the new #1's and, after reading, did not care for them. I don't have the cash to spend 6 months letting this new universe grow on me. I voted with my wallet and dropped the line. It will not matter, DC does not want my business. Again, ONE PERSON, that's all. I have accepted my dinosaur status and am limping off to comics extinction.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    so..

    by Poptard_JD

    you know what it's like to be attacked for no reason, and yet you do it yourself. that's interesting. and as I SAID, with regards to things like Starfire...THIS INTERVIEW WAS done BEFORE THE 52 BEGAN. Justice League 1 wasn't out yet, let alone Red Hood starring the misogynistic approach to Starfire! I'm sorry I didn't look into the future and see that I should have asked him something I didn't know anything about yet. So wait. I can't claim it's a noble and great sacrifice, but I also can't say it's just comics? Pick one and stick to it. And guess what...me as an interviewer asking questions that PISS OFF the interviewee will only get me off the guest list. It isn't my responsibility to stand up and speak for YOU. I speak for me. THE WAY YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF IS BY VOTING WITH YOUR DOLLAR. You don't like it? Don't buy it. It'll either get cancelled or it'll change. As for talking about things that I think matter...at the time, the thing that annoyed me was Superboy having an S-symbol taped to his wife-beater. And so I pointed that out. In my Johnny Cupcakes interview, I called out that his shirts are too expensive and he was nice enough to explain why they cost so much. I'll call something out if I think it's something I want to call out. But again, the entire 52 relaunch hadn't even started yet, so shush. Don't rely on other people to do something for you. You are mad at Jim Lee? Email Jim Lee. Don't hoist your BS on me. The thing is, you and I might have a great deal in common with how we view a lot of this stuff, and that would be great to explore...but as someone who has been on the other side of the internet, you know what's it's like to be attacked for no reason. Maybe take that into account next time you want to establish a dialogue. I welcome interesting debate and engaging back-n-forths like nobody's business..that's part of what I like about this great and nobel sacrifice that is writing about comics. HELL, I even ask people if there are any questions that they'd like me to ask when I know I have an interview scheduled. Friend me on facebook and when I post that I have one coming up, and you have questions you'd like answers to, send them to me and I'll see what I can do. Nothing is gained by starting off a conversation with negativity and insults, as you well know. And as someone who hates anything BRO, I found your comments negative an replied as such. Here's to a better conversation in the future. :)

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    the old tape recorder

    by Megan Adler

    I witnessed the old tape recorder with both Matt and JD.... JD that tape recorder reminded me of the tape recorder used in Home Alone.... time for a reboot! LOL!

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Jem: Do you ONLY read DC?

    by Poptard_JD

    You're not leaving comics as a medium, just DC, correct? Surely there are tons of indy or other books to love..

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST

    haha thanks for the back-up Megan!

    by Poptard_JD

    That tape recorder reminds me of the DeLorean from Back To The Future...it's old and grey and shitty but does take me back in time.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I'll drop it...

    by 3774

    ...if you gives this some serious consideration. Stop treating, or at least pretending like 'it's just your opinion'. It's a complete disregard for responsibility you should feel in your position. You know as well as I do that emails and such get completely ignored on a whim. *You* are sitting right there in front of these people. They can't ignore you. Refusing to answer difficult questions, or dropping the interview, would say as much about the person as actually answering the questions. There's two things going on here. There's a sort of 'geek responsibility', and then there's something beyond that. A sort of larger-purpose, humanist responsibility, if you will. Now there's annoyance from some that you haven't 'fulfilled' a sort of geek responsibility by pushing for deeper answers (some would say an admittance or confession) for thing like the Justice League of Pop-a-Collah. I'm half-way in that camp, but my real anger came from what I see as these missed opportunities for something larger that people like you have. Yes, we can refuse to buy. Done. My pull list shows that already. But dammit, I want the idiotic things changed as soon as possible. I don't want to be forced to keep refusing purchases because the developers won't grow up. If you really, truly don't care that much, and are only sort of mildly annoyed on a surface level at things like the portrayal of women and nothing more, fine. But as for geekdom, you can't be fed such attention (and some would argue opportunity) from the fan base, and then deny any responsibility. Expect outrage over Superarmorman to continue accordingly.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:34 a.m. CST

    See? THIS is what I'm talking about!

    by Poptard_JD

    An intelligent, civilized debate. Glorious! I'm with ya. I understand what you're saying and if the Starfire thing had happened before this interview, you can bet your bippy that it would have come up in the interview, because it's something that would have made the talk more interesting. On another note: I'm in "my position" because I ran my own review site for the love of it and someone noticed and asked me to contribute to this site. This is something you can do in order to get into a position like mine where you can ask all the questions YOU want to ask. I'm just a guy who loves comics and writes/talks/sells/creates them. If you have such a passion for these things (and I'm talking to everyone here) and you want answers then by god, DO it. Of course, many of you choose to come out swinging and cursing and name-calling. I hope you realize that doesn't HELP. It makes you look like an ass and makes you instantly ignorable and forgettable, not only to the reviewers, but to the people in the industry. They come to sites like these and read them and occasionally LISTEN. I know, I've gotten several emails from creators about my reviews and about the talk-backs. But if all the fanboys/girls are ranting like 13 year old lunatics, they'll be ignored...but if they see a bunch of well-reasoned arguments and intelligent complaints, they'll get the picture. The Starfire thing wasn't missed by DC..Scott Lobdell, the writer, has already come out and said that there's a reason she's acting like she is, and I'm curious to see where that's headed.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I got news for some of you...the OLD Superman costume was lame

    by templesweeper

    Iconic? Yes. But it is horribly dated. I have been reading Marvel comics for quite a while now, and have picked up about 20 of the "New 52" DC books. I kind of dig the new Supeman look. The "undies" are still there. They are just blue. And honestly, it looks soooo much better. If he was a new character design, no one in their right frikkin mind would say, "I like this Superman guy, but he needs red undies on the outside of his blue pants." Are you kidding? I am one of the few who actually enjoyed Superman Returns (the movie) a little bit. But even there, every time Superman was on camera, I kept thinking, "Heh heh...red undies." Superman looks a lot more current now, and frankly, I buy Lee's argument about him having Kryptonian armor. And lets be real. Are any costumes really THAT functional? I know Supes' cape is indestructible and all that, but MOST costumes are just for look. And when I look back at DC comics from even a year ago now, before Superman's costume change, he just looks kind of silly.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Questions

    by MattAdler

    E2M: But isn't the relaunch being done because those writers actually can't come up with fresh ideas? E2J: Uh, no. It's being done to give people a simple entry point to the DC Universe. Listen, I really take exception to you insulting the people I work with like that. Best of luck with the site. See ya. E2M: Why throw away the 1000 issue milestone? Was it even discussed? With who? What was said? E2J: I can't recall the specifics of what was said by whom, but I can assure you it was discussed, and ultimately we decided it was more important to provide an entry point for new readers than to preserve an artificial number. E2M: What's the reason behind Perez leaving Superman after issue #6, and handing the title off to others, who have already handled the material before? [note: this had not happened at the time of the interview] E2J: George has other projects he needed to make room for. The creators taking over have something very new and different up their sleeves than anything you've seen before. E2M: Where's Captain Marvel? E2J: We wanted to focus on a limited number of characters for our launch, but keep watching, you will see CM in the future. E2M: Do you have artists doing double-duty as writers to maintain 52 titles? With the typical 25-to-35 titles a month in the past, isn't it just asking for deadline problems and lack of quality? E2J: Not at all. We have those creators writing their own books because we've seen them demonstrate their storytelling abilities and they've earned the right to tell their own stories. And we have a very comprehensive system in place to ensure we meet deadlines. E2M: John Byrne once theorized that the sliding timeline of the DCverse was about 7 years long. Just out of curiosity, who decided on 5 years, and why? E2J: It was a group decision. We felt 5 years was the right amount of time, so that there was enough room for our characters to have some backstory, but not too much, so we can maintain them as fresh and vibrant. E2M: When it comes to things like the sex-objectification of characters like Starfire (and to a lesser extent, Catwoman), are the creative forces involved willing to rethink their decisions, or will they just 'double-down' and ultimately disregard intense criticism, after nothing more than a dutiful acknowledgment? E2J: We've definitely heard the fans concerns, and we're committed to promoting diversity and equality within our books. Our female audience is very important to us. That said, you have give the stories a chance to unfold; not everything is always as it seems at first glance. E2M: Why was Voodoo chosen? How big did her 'stripper sex appeal' factor into the decision, as opposed to someone like Zealot? E2J: I strongly disagree with your characterization. Voodoo was chosen because Ron Marz had a great idea for the series, and there's a lot more to the character than you're giving her credit for. E2M: You once dismissed the concerns of a female fan with a flippant remark. Has anyone informed you that sarcasm is the recourse of a feeble mind in debate? E2J: Excuse me? I don't know what your problem is, but I don't have to sit here and entertain your obvious agenda. Adios. E2M: Janice Asselin recently quit DC to work for Marvel, saying 'At some point a comic publisher will realize that they can grow their audience by quite a bit by targeting women. As long as they go about it in an intelligent way.' What are your thoughts on this, specifically? E2J: I wish Janelle the best in her new position, but other than that, I'm not going to comment on personnel matters. E2M: Will we at least have a chance to thrill at the sight of watching Power Girl bake Mister Terrific a cake? E2J: Uh... no? ****** I should emphasize that the responses are not necessarily my point of view, or ones I agree with... they are what I believe Jim would say in response to those questions. And frankly, I don't think they shed much light (even assuming we could have gotten them all in during the brief sitdown).

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Pink Apocalypse

    by MattAdler

    "Now you try and make a claim about calling out the same issues I have (RE: Starfire), but yet seem pretty comfortable chumming it up with one of the men ultimately responsible for it all." I think fundamentally, we just don't see the world the same way. I don't see Jim Lee as malicious or deserving of verbal abuse. I don't think the underrepresentation/misrepresentation of women in comics is done out of malice either; it's done out of a combination of ignorance, inertia, and real problems with the marketplace. So I have no interest in attacking Jim Lee for that. You seem angry that we were friendly with him. I see no reason to be hostile. If I'd thought of a question that hasn't already been asked, and that would have brought a new perspective on the role of women in DC comics, I would have asked it. But there is a difference between activism and journalism. "They can't ignore you." Of course they can. "Refusing to answer difficult questions, or dropping the interview, would say as much about the person as actually answering the questions." All it would say was "I'm not interested in doing an interview that is geared towards portraying me negatively" which everyone knows already. It would accomplish absolutely nothing. How long would a report on "Jim Lee ended our interview before it started" be anyway?

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    This is DC Becoming Marvel

    by Mankind

    I've been a huge fan of DC forever. While all my friends were reading X-men, and were supposed to be all excited about who Jean was sleeping with this week, I was reading DC and watching evil cats terrorize the Justice League. I was reading the Bwa-ha-has instead of "bubs" and oogling over power rings instead of Emma Frost's panties. <br><br> I know. I was in the minority. <br><br> But it only took me reading a few number one issues to realize that DC was not, with this relaunch, trying to get back to the heart of what all these characters were, and celebrate the unique things we love about these characters. This was DC looking at Marvel and saying, "What are they doing that they're selling more copies than us?" And then making changes to fit that. <br><br> I honestly think that was their aspiration. Not to set amazing new records in terms of sales--just to redefine itself in a way that would catch them up to Marvel in sales. <br><br> So we get Superman and Batman and Green Lantern fighting like Scott and Logan and Emma. We get more scantily clad chicks and more relationships where the end goal is sex. <br><br> We get Superman as basically a trumped up Spider-man, living in an apartment, working at a newspaper, leaping around with no flight, being thought a criminal, stopping a train in a scene straight of of a spider-man movie. <br><br> And honestly? It's probably going to work for them. More people will probably be buying DC titles even after the dust settles than were buying them before. It will be a success. <br><br> I don't begrudge them that. I like DC characters better. I kinda want DC to win in the long run. <br><br> But we all know that in a couple of years when sales start to lag on this title or that title, they'll make the "bold" move of bringing back this <i>one</i> character that was supposed to be gone in the relaunch, and then this other character will, in a widely-publicized move, be getting their old costume back, and slowly but surely everything will revert back to the status quo and Grant Morrison will be trying to tie some storyline back to some obscure 1963 comic that was packaged with DC character frisbees or something and everything will become one big timeline again. <br><br> And we'll laugh as we add "Wore armor" to the list of silly things they've done with superman, in between "made him out of electricity" and "gave him a mullet." <br><br> In the meantime, I'll use the money I would have spent on new issues filling in the holes in my old collection.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Brilliantly said, Matt.

    by Poptard_JD

    Well handled.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Agreeing w/ Matt and Poptard_jd

    by Megan Adler

    I've taken journalism classes and one of the key things in interviewing is to keep it pleasant and memorable. I've been reading these complaints and have to say that the guys did an awesome job. They wanted to ask meaningful questions without overstepping. The last thing you want to do is piss off your interviewee. There was a limit of time and not everything could be answered at once. The guys stuck to the main important questions, got as many answers as they could and here they reported. They shouldn't be blamed if not all the questions couldn't be answered. They kept it light and pleasant. In the end, they delivered a reasonably newsworthy scoop. One last little note, the fact that poptard_jd lost the last 3 questions and managed to wing this is pretty darn good. I remember how pissed the two guys were at the diner. Lol! Such a bummer.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I agree with meganadler agreeing with us!

    by Poptard_JD

    haha! thanks so much megan! there's always so much negativity to deal with on these things that nice comments are all the more meaningful. much appreciated! ;)

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