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Discover more about the Gaza Strip Filmmakers TARZAN & ARAB in this over 14 minute documentary interview!

Published at: Oct. 24, 2011, 1:25 p.m. CST by AICNStaff

Hey folks, Harry here...  Tim League & I were contacted by Pam Bailey who met and interviewed Tarzan & Arab in Gaza where they live.   This is the most extensive interview that I've yet seen done with these two remarkably talented young men.   It's their passion which speaks to me.   Just incredible.  Raised by a father that loved cinema.   It's a story that humanizes what it is to live and grow up in a region that we only really know for its pain.   Tarzan & Arab are now here in Austin.  Having safely arrived yesterday.  I can't wait to meet these two and more fully explore the world of film they've been exposed to and find out what more I can do to help them on their odyssey of cinematic discovery!  Cuz movies rule all!   

Here's Pam Bailey's awesome Documentary short entitled "LIFE AS A MOVIE"

 

 

Life as a movie from Pam Bailey on Vimeo.

 

 

Now that you know a bit more - get involved - help raise money for their first feature, which they'll shoot in the Gaza Strip.   So excited!  This will be so cool to be a part of.   

Or perhaps you wish to meet them and join in as an audience member this Wednesday in their first United States screening of their short film, along with the screening of their favorite film, Ingmar Bergman's CRIES & WHISPERS at the Alamo Drafthouse Ritz.   Which will be their very first feature film to see in a movie theater, something they've only ever dreamt of experiencing.   As their movie theater in Gaza is a burnt out shell.  

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  • Oct. 24, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Holy Smokes...am I FIRST?

    by Grendy

    Not that it's important. This story's important. I donated to the Kickstarter campaign and I think it is a damn fine thing everyone who is working towards this project is doing. My first film was Bambi at about 9 months old. I don't remember it. I do remember watching Creature Feature in Florida and learning about Vincent Price and Gojiira on a Saturday afternoon from my black and white TV. I remember hours and hours spent in theatres all over this country and cannot imagine not ever going to one. I can't truly imagine the life anyone leads in Gaza. I am glad I have the security I do here in this country, and am sending my brother to see the Bergman film with them since I cannot be there (as I am in Atlanta) and he can. It's like he can represent our family-love for Cinema and help make Arab and Tarzan's experience great. Viva La Cinema!

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Okay so how can we see the damned short?

    by torontoxic

    Burt and Ernie talking about themselves is not time well spent.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    That short was no better than most student films

    by jrb

    A soldier wandering ruined buildings juxtaposed with a painter creating his art. Wow, that's deep. Pretentious score too. What's the big deal? Is all the hype simply because they had a father who loved movies like Harry's dad?

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Okay I watched the whole thing and saw the short

    by torontoxic

    Great job! It started a little slow but it finished strong. :)

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    oh...the poor gazans

    by john

    fucking terrorists wont watch their shit propaganda if you paid me

  • Oh, and the IDF-themed posters which TARZAN & ARAB make are called *agitprop*, which is a response to state propaganda.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 4:32 p.m. CST

    ahem, *killed to have your land stolen*

    by justmyluck

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 5:36 p.m. CST

    justmyluck

    by Kevin

    Time to crack a history book.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 6:24 p.m. CST

    justmyluck

    by john

    what the fuck is "slow drip ethnic cleansing"? the only peoples ethnically cleansed from the land have been jews bet you didnt know that there was a jewish community in gaza right up to 48

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Remember that dude Freddy Zabara from Karate Kid?

    by Bobo_Vision

    He's the one who invites Ralph Macchio to the beach party and then ditches him after he gets beaten up. I always thought he was a really shitty friend. You invite someone to a party and you ditch them after they try to defend one of the girls at the party and get beaten black and blue? Fuck you, Freddy Zabara.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Oh wait, his name isn't Freddy Zabara...it's Israel Juarbe

    by Bobo_Vision

    Fuck Israel.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Not bad, but it fizzles at the end.

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Like a rocket out of Gaza.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Two hairy guys who love movies and hate women?

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    No wonder they fit in so well with Faraci and Beaks.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Donate money for their "movie"

    by GhostDad

    It requires us to round up boys from villages and teach them how to make explosives. For um.... special effects.

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I also can't wait for the

    by GhostDad

    post bitching about how no major studio will pick up the distribution for their shot in gaza "let's kill all the jews" movie.

  • The Israeli government is digging its own mass-grave by relying on political support from the American Christian Taliban to push then envelope as far as it will go. Talk about a deal with the devil - those crazies are going to turn on that country at a a time that suits them, and Israel will be seriously up shit creek. It's scary to watch this slow-motion disaster unfold.

  • If you'd rather avoid that impossible task, list the terrorist attacks by *Arabs-Arab nations* against *Hebrews-Jews* in the Mid-East which occurred --before-- the formation of those Zionist terrorist/militant groups. If you can find any history of such attacks, which I doubt, take it back to the 1919-1922 King-Crane Commission Report, which told Zionist leaders outright that their planned colonization in the Mid-East would surely lead to conflict. I'm sure that's still not enough, so take it back again to the 1917 Balfour Declaration, merely one sentence, which approved of a Zionist state only if *nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine*. If that's not enough, go back to the biblical narratives (bible stories) regarding the formation of Israel, which was supposedly ANOTHER Israeli conquest in biblical Canaan. For that ancient deed, we'll never know how many indigenous were displaced or occupied, but the biblical narratives of tribal warfare and conflicts surely speak for themselves. You could even say that those biblical narratives teach that killing people is the shortest way to build prestige, wealth and a connection to the creator, if you're willing to have your people die for it. I don't see much difference in militarized governments over two millennia later. @restyles : slow-drip ethnic cleansing is the killing of an average one Palestinian civilian per two days, as recorded by B'Tselem in 2010, in the historic Zionist process of stealing Palestinian land. You know this yourself, but I can tell already you will never admit it. All Jews were not purged from the Mid-East by Titus - many stayed and lived in peace. Even the supposed biblical narrative of Exodus is being contested by modern archaeology in the region. It's interesting that you mention *the only peoples ethnically cleansed from the land have been jews* and *there was a jewish community in gaza right up to 48* in the same post, which is a completely self-contradicting statement. Perhaps they were just two lines of Hasbara you reflexively whipped-out - still no excuse. @anjin-san: Which history book? The ones censored by Israel in Gaza, or our history books being compiled from reporting written by the *cultivation of editors* to favor Zionism? ( http://prn.to/csEsY9 ) Maybe you're talking about pre-Diaspora Israel, which requires cracking a Torah. @choppah: yes, one Israeli traded for hundreds of non-entity prisoners, as far as most media outlets reported it. Did you see one story on American news about a freed Palestinian prisoner being returned to his family? To be specific, the ones who weren't immediately exiled by Israel? There were lots of reports about the Israeli soldier's return to Israel where, after a once-over by doctors, he walked right into the media jamboree. Also, try researching violence against women in America before you make a blanket statement against the Gazans hating women - it might save you some face, if that matters at all...whatever. @ghostdad: I see you're concerned about young people being trained to make explosives. Perhaps you should protest the indoctrination of Israelis and Americans in military training to carry out such acts, hugely magnified when compared to suicide bombers and Palestinian terrorist-militant groups. If carrying one bomb into a civilian area is terrorism, then carrying thousands of bombs under flying wings and dropping them into civilian areas is a thousand times more heinous terrorism. Don't forget to protest the systemic government use of hate speech, either, since hate is vital to killing the enemy of the day at commanding orders. I can tell from your second post that you don't value Jewish and Palestinian life equally, since, showing one *let's kill all the jews* movie utterly pales to Palestinians actually being killed in the thousands. Oh, and if you're concerned about *let's kill all the jews* movies, Hollywood is the undeniable center. Palestinians will never be killed or displaced en masse, as to not lose sympathy towards Zionism's IRON WALL. Guaranteed: you won't be seeing a big American movie about that. @TB'ers: Of course, this is a highly lopsided collection of events and responses - the ones not found in our mainstream news headlines - hence the summarization. The fact that Tarzan & Arab have enough humility to transform the thousands of Palestinian deaths by White Phosphor, DIME weapons and flechettes into a harmless CAST LEAD agitprop poster shames their critics. SHAMES. Such a pity so many will never understand that in the war of ideas intended to dismiss Palestinians as a distinct people.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST

    @Restyles

    by BelgiumRules

    Go back to your hillbilly trailer park and first learn to point your own country on the map... Have you ever set one foot outside of your country? Have you ever visited the middle East? Spoken to the people over there? If not please shut TF up.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST

    excuse ME justmyluck

    by torontoxic

    but there is a clear sign on the front door of AICN that reads 'nonsense only'. Take your facts and education and walk, bro. Don't make me school you on the battle of Brian Cox vs. Danny Glovers Dickblood and the fact that it all started when Harrison Ford had a beer and cheated on his wife.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    non entity prisoners

    by m2298

    Could you mention some of their non-entity crimes (and victims)?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:35 a.m. CST

    *non-entity prisoners, as far as most media outlets reported it*

    by justmyluck

    Can't deny it.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST

    @supermarch: your comments didn't address anything I wrote.

    by justmyluck

    Take a look at what you said, and file it under 'nonsense only'.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    justmyluck

    by GhostDad

    TL;DR

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST

    justmysuck

    by THE_CHOPPAH

    Why let facts and philosophy get in the way of a one-liner?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:14 a.m. CST

    @choppah: yep, this TB subject is a one-liner's home turf!

    by justmyluck

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    @supermarch: I probably misconstrued your comment...

    by justmyluck

    ... as can happen sometimes with a text-based non-inflection! Peace!

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST

    some of the 'nonentity' prisoners

    by m2298

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/world/middleeast/israel-releases-names-of-477-prisoners-to-be-freed-in-trade.html?_r=1&scp=14&sq=palestinian&st=cse Can you justify their crimes? Have they brought any improvements to the life of ordinary Palestinians?

  • *non-entity prisoners, as far as most media outlets reported it* If you can't yet grasp that, it might help to know a little bit about that NYT's article's writer: http://bit.ly/o3tzVF ..which dovetails right back into the *cultivation of editors* to favor Zionism: http://prn.to/csEsY9 You posted a NYT article illustrating that the *media non-entity* prisoners are all dangerous, while not mentioning that Israel exiled all the prisoners they deemed too dangerous to be allowed to return to Gaza or the West Bank. That only fits a half-truth.

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 11:10 a.m. CST

    exile

    by m2298

    If I blew up a crowded bus or pizzeria, a comfortable (and probably temporary)exile to a friendly country sounds like like a pretty good deal. And there crimes remain the same regardless of the background of the Times reporter

  • *If I blew up a crowded bus or pizzeria, a comfortable (and probably temporary)exile to a friendly country sounds like like a pretty good deal.* So, you agree that for Haganah, Irgun, Lehi and The Palmach's terrorist-militant activities, they should have been exiled from Palestine at the get go. Unfortunately, that didn't happen: they were assimilated as Israeli *defense* infrastructure. Today, this *defense* infrastructure continues to subjugate and kill Palestinians while stealing more land, doing it slowly (average one Palestinian civilian killed per two days). A vocal majority of media *cultivated* consent is funded and administered to retain political sympathy. A sole captured Israeli soldier was part of that same infrastructure. He was trained to kill by the state under the pretext of defense in an evidenced systemic process of ethnic cleansing. Take away the uniform, tanks, jets, drones and automatic weapons used for cover, and he was engaged in a crime. You wouldn't know that from the deluge of pictures, banners, smiling soldier photos and weeping Israeli photos. Manufacturing sympathy for a half-truth. Killing people to steal more land. Getting away with it. *And there crimes remain the same regardless of the background of the Times reporter * I clearly illustrated that your linked NYT could only be half-truth. That's it for that. I want to take something else further, since you're up for it, and since I'll be at this until Tarzan & Arab have their evening - which will be soon, and after which point everyone here can have an epic brain fart and fill the TB with all the bullshit they want. I simply can't believe you're being straight with me, because anyone who accepts a state criminal charge as the beginning and end of someone's life has to be out of their mind regarding this issue. Why? No leading story interviews with released prisoners or their relatives. Just fleeting background story. Little in-depth reporting. Few, if any, pictures of prisoners. Releasing and/or exiling hundreds if prisoners of a state...holy hell, it's HUGE! Stop the presses! Nope, instead we get a criminal charge list as read by an NYT *cultivated* writer, which someone like you is more happy to parrot. It's designed to make you feel *big*, like you're in deep with the process of some serious criminal/prisoner investigation - which is little more than summarizing an Israeli government press release. My guess is *Stephen Farrell from Gaza* got the NYT story's second page (you know, some of that fleeting in-depth stuff), while *cultivated Bronner* framed the story with a litany of crimes for the first. What's ridiculous is that everyone knows there are criminals in any nation, but the vital issue is that you're going to get a hell of a lot more of them if a government' has been killing people off for decades. Huge! Hidden! Heralding a half-truth! This is what you're looking at with *hundreds of criminals* having their charges read. For the most part, its simply a PREDICTABLE RESULT. The PREDICTABLY RESULT entails severe and brutal living conditions for people, for which there are severe retaliations and insane reactions. Palestinians (not all, but a lot) are being absolutely driven to militarism, terrorism and criminality, so people like yourself can point out how criminal they are to the world, via the NYT for example, to create even MORE difficult living conditions for them. The cycle can only repeat when people's refuse to break apart the cycle. I understand - it's more fun to vote with the big dogs who do the death-dealing with the most powerful weapons for prestige, big network speeches, medals and land expansion. This is why I think you're simply fucking with me and you know better. ENOUGH! Think up some really good ones for the next 24 hours, I'll happily entertain you! As Arnie says, "AHHHLLL BE BAAAACK".

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 2:32 p.m. CST

    how about this article?

    by m2298

    Not sure if it was front page or back and it is written by Farrell, who you seem to identify as the non-'cultivated' one: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/world/middleeast/for-israel-and-palestinians-moving-ahead-and-looking-back.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=palestinians&st=cse Justmyluck, I'm not sure where you stand -- are you with the one-staters, two staters? Islamicists, secularists? And blowiing up a bus with civilians is a just 'severe', not insane reaction?

  • I would never ally with one political party or faction or campaign, even a Palestinian one as you suggested. That doesn't stop me from feeling a need to discuss *a highly lopsided collection of events and responses - the ones not found in our mainstream news headlines*. Likewise, it would be silly to issue a blanket psychological profile for what leads people to bomb a bus or pizzeria. My issue was that if *you* want to blanket profile a Palestinian bomber of a civilian bus, don't spare a non-Palestinian bomber of a civilian bus equal accountability. Irgun, as just one example. killed civilians and bombed civilian things all over the place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks That history is effectively buried as *militant freedom fighter*, not *severe*, not *insane*. Why?

  • Oct. 25, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    I wonder

    by GhostDad

    Michael Bay raped my childhood!

  • ...just as apartied was abolished in Africa and European imperialism amounting to colonisation and occupation also removed; the cruel, corrupt, evil zionist terrorists who have stolen your land will soon be exterminated. God bless the palastinian freedom fighters

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:12 a.m. CST

    allthosepowers eat shit and die

    by john

    really good at throwing out bs terms that dont really apply tell me...if there is ethnic cleansing going on in israel...how are there over a mil and a half arab living in israel proper? all with the same rights as all israelis? and how dare you compare israel to the nazis where are the gas chambers, the forced labor, the concentration camps FUCK ALL JEW HATERS FUCKING LEFTISTS ARE IDIOTS g

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:13 a.m. CST

    OH...AND FUCK THOSE TWO WELL FED GAZANS

    by john

    BOO HOO...THEIR MOVIE THEATER WAS BOMBED OUT STOP FIRING ROCKETS AT ISRAEL NUKE GAZA...BUT FIRST SEND ALL THE LEFTISTS IN THE WORLD THERE

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST

    justmycock

    by john

    ya...arabs couldnt deal with jews who refused to be dhimmi and learn history...the 2nd aliyah movement started in the late 1800s and you need to learn more history....cuz the arabs didnt give shit one about the area that was part of the palestine mandate, while it was held by the ottoman empire where were the cities? the industry? didnt happen until after the jew returned fuck them...fuck you and there is no such thing as slow drip ethnic cleansing but tell me...what happened to all the jews who used to reside in arab lands that is called true ethnic cleansing

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:19 a.m. CST

    and finally to all the leftist jew haters

    by john

    israel is here to stay deal with it

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 3:26 a.m. CST

    @justmyluck - people like you will always ascribe to diction...

    by AllThosePowers

    ...unearthing facts and critically analysing media outlets' bias reporting about how the holes in our heads are constantly injected with the power lies and false facts is nothing new, what you have stated in your rather long opinion feature has been articulated and re-articulated countless times with alternative terms, phrasiology, and in-depth socio-political discourse by those who are in far more superior positions of influence than you or I - Chomski, Finklestein, and Schlomo Sands to name a few. The fundementals that serve the mind's reasoning behind supporting the proponents or opponents of the Zionist regeme, one which you fail to grasp sir, is the unnecessary wavering of impartiality; something you very clearly guilty of, for you wish to support the fence rather than one of two causes. We could all sit there with you on that great fence of neutrality and merely watch those who passionately and verhemently feel and believe with complete unwavering conviction about the cause, but I choose not to. Instead I pick a side; and it is the same side Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu has chosen and 90% of the UN security council would also vote for, if it weren't for the corrupt US and Israeli lobbying nations against voting the correct way. And yet all these great leaders are cast with that very dark shadow of anti-semetism just because we don't agree with Zionism and Israel foriegn policy. The way you employ the vehicle of words to carry your message across is old hat is old hat sir - in case you hadn't noticed it's the 21st century, everyone has the ability to write but what seperates people are those who choose wisely to alliance themselves with what is right. Because to remain impartial in the face of evil is no different to siding with evil, I mean need I iterate that adage about good people doing nothing? I think not. So pick a side and pick wisely, don't sit on the fence, makes you sound like a product of pre-millenium when it's clearly the 21st century

  • He's done a wonderful job of doing that himself. I'm sat here laughing at all of his hateful, ignorant bullshit in the sad knowledge that this fucking idiot is a real person walking among us. Really boggles the mind that two people were able to make and bring up such a twisted piece of shit. How proud they must be of their son. He's really making a difference in this world. Making a real name for himself...on an internet forum.

  • I would not limit myself to *one* particular, constrained, political party or faction or campaign - LIMIT MYSELF.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Why @restyles pull a *full-Herzl* : http://bit.ly/b8igEx

    by justmyluck

    *Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.* Theodor Herzl (1860-1904) Which is why haters are deliberately created by antagonizing people as jew haters...if that antagonism wouldn't make someone hate people, what would?

  • ...but certainly if prominent peacemakers such Bishop Tutu, Mandella, John Pilger and 90% of the world's presence in the chambers of the UN security council are leaning towards the release of palastinian land and her people, I don't see what benefit you gain or even retain for that matter, by illuminating the plight of the Gaza people and yet, you still insist on maintaining a disconnection/seperation. I really don't see what there is to discuss other than a sizable portion of landmass was acquired illegally and now it must be returrned; in much the same way when thieves are caught redhanded whilst taking down scores, legal demands are immediately placed upon them to return the money/property they had stolen. Where most folk like you are quick to declare any side you back, be it in sport, music, film, fashion, Apple v Google, etc, when it comes to backing issues that really matter - PEOPLE - you will insist on holding back, but throw you inanimates like an Iphone or andriod device or any other gadget or entertainment medium, you seem to know immediately what your preference is. But living and breathing issues and it's all "I would not limit myself to one... blah blah" This is not just insincere but down right offensive and you're a fucking disgrace for a human being. If you're going to say something important I urge you to say it with conviction, don't come on in here and start phillosophising - nobody does that any more except journalists who write for the press - and everybody knows they're an inferior bunch because nothing is written by them with heart or soul, just adherence to rules of unbiase reporting, all of which they fail to deliver miserably, making them inept at their craft. You sound like the same breed of ancient and more medieval than pre-prehististoric times. Grow up, welcome to the 21st century where being gutsy counts

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    justmyluck

    by m2298

    First of all, ignore restyles' rantings -- I assume that you would have the rest of us ignore al-Qaeda's statements (and those of exterminationist 'allthosepowers' as well -- the Palestinians would be quite glad to have 'cities and industries' bolstering their economy). I don't blame you for not wanting to affiliate with any particular party or ideology. Nonetheless I'd like to know your vision of the future -- two states, one secular state, one Islamic state? How many Jews would or should be allowed to live in a Palestinian state? And if you are going to quote Herzl (or anyone else), why not find the original text in context and see what it says, instead of quoting a fringe website.

  • I don't see the plight of Palestinians as the sole realm of politicians, U.N. members or spokespersons. They have failed at nearly every turn as their words are buried by Palestinian bodies, and the Zionist military instruments which put them there. However, I would never simply point at Palestinian issues, which ignoring non-Palestinian issues. Simply having jewish youth conscripted to mandatory military training - being trained to kill by the state - is an atrocity in itself. That's just one reason why I won't subscribe to a one-sided conviction. I see the plight of Palestinians as a matter of public opinion being blinded by a war of ideas, and the media-manufactured consent suppressing that plight. This is why we're seeing documents which expose funded Zionist embedding in global corporate media. Analyzing or exposing that process could never imply or create impartiality, so, don't bother suggesting I'm fence-standing. It's impossible to be impartial when faced with these issues. Every singular conviction requires blindness to another. To me, you're illustrating the faults in seeking political influence as a primary goal, with *release of palastinian land and her people* as something secondary, or tertiary. For me, it's an issue of exposing and dismantling a war for public consent towards a number of atrocities, for which militarized Zionism tips the scales - so I'm the quite other way around. However, I would never blind myself by saying you didn't need elements of both political influence and public opinion to release Palestinian land and its people.

  • That Herzl quote is on other Internet sites as sourced from both his *diaries* (pg. 19) and *One Palestine Complete* (pg. 47). Neither are free to read online, as far as I can see. I've never seen any refutation or false context of that Herzl quotation. If you're concerned it is, please illuminate me/us on the hidden context of that Herzl statement which, believe me, is a mild one. *I'd like to know your vision of the future* My vision of the future is that Palestine will be denied statehood in any form, as to deprive it the right to national self defense against Israel's occupation. That overwhelms any *envisioning* of a particular statehood campaign. *How many Jews would or should be allowed to live in a Palestinian state?* Am I supposed to be a dictator? -- Remember, I said, *Think up some really good ones for the next 24 hours*..so good ones, please!

  • ..you keep telling stories someone else has already told so why run a race you can't even finish in last place? Give up, save yourself the embarassment. You and your clowns are constantly mentioning "jews" and "Islam" when clearly this issue of illegal settlement and war crimes is simply about people killing other people, you somehow wish to attribute religion and label people with trivialities when the real essence is about one, theft of land, two, displacement of original inhabitants, three, the killing of a people by retaliating unfairly against them with full brute just because their air their greviences in the shape of manmade rockets in order to claim back what was and always has been rightfully thiers; land So give up now, clearly you are ill equiped - little knowledge and vast lack of experience shows in what you say - else your presentation on clear points or arguments would have more depth and substance rather than focusing on if somebody wants one state, two states, sides with jewish or palestine, etc all very pathetic and waste of keyboard strokes. PI urge you to preserve the tips of your fingers for something more worthwhile like addressing why people like you feel religion or culture tkaes precedents over merely being human and no one set of people has any right over any other set? Didn't you read animal farm in school, or had you not attended any form of classroom training and I too now find myself wasting all this on someone who has no idea about even cunjuring up ideas. Go away

  • ...you need to start flossing because the shit you've been fed is now trapped between your teeth and is affecting your thiking, which to begin with lacked any clarity but is now compounded with clouds eminating from the hot steaming excrement you readily bite and chew from the American media. I mean do you just open your mouth, eyes and ears and just accept everything you are told? Do you not have any thoughts of your own on such criticalities? Good lord man drink some water for crying out loud for it is the only clear thing I can recommend to consume and will aid you immensly in drawing up succinct and clear thoughts.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST

    justmyluck

    by m2298

    So you basically just want to war against Israeli/Zionst influence in the realm of ideas? And then -- what? You can state your ideas without affiliating yourself with any political or ideological entity. Too satte your hopes for the future does not make you a 'dictator'. And I assume that the UK GUARDIAN and INDEPENDENT newspapers which are consistently less than positive to Israel are not corporate media.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST

    without industry what would a Palestinian economy depend on?

    by m2298

    Tourism? Olives?

  • ...no your quite right you're not fence-sitting and nor are you fence-standing, well not with the base of your feet, what you are in fact doing is tip-toing on the very edge and with the above comment, you fail to realise you have unwittingly revealed the very symptom you are suffering with. unfortunately, no doctor exists to treat such an ailment of the mind and nor can the scalpul directed by the hand of a surgeon operate on it. You suffer with over complicating the issue, what was it that galileo said something along the lines of "if something is immeasurable, make it measurable, if something is complicated, uncomplicate it" or something like that. you sir fail to take heed of either

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST

    FYI

    by Mary

    Just a warning: you really don't know what you're going to end up with if you support these fellas, no matter how good your intentions. I remember when Liev Schreiber hired a guy from Iraq to work on Everything is Illuminated. He was supposedly a film student. He never could fit in, as hard as he tried. The cultures were too different, and he didn't understand that he was hired to be a "go-fer". He thought he should be always treated as someone special and be given special treatment. It was a major fail for cultural understanding and probably helped no one, in the end.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    closedeyesopenedup

    by GhostDad

    That was guy was especially lazy and entitled though, and a lot of that had to due with the fact that despite everyone's best intentions to to show him as a poor, oppressed Iraqi, he came from a wealthy family and really felt that the mundane PA tasks were beneath him. If you watch "Operaiton Filmmaker," the way he behaves on set would have any other PA fired and their career ruined.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Now that you mention Liev Schreiber...

    by quicksilver80

    I cannot picture him without fangs anymore...weird

  • ...or whichever land of *cultural understanding* you're posting from. (phew)...

  • That's when you're not invoking *Hitler*, like Netanyahu not getting his way at the U.N. Perhaps you've learned too much from ultra-Zionist political leaders: time to check it.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST

    @m2298: final round?

    by justmyluck

    So, you're still at it - having the temerity to suggest I jump through more hoops, after you've deliberately dodged vital questions (e.g. why you don't consider The Irgun's civilian bombings as *severe* or *insane*). Whatever, I'll be checking in until the Tarzan & Arab event is over. *So you basically just want to war against Israeli/Zionst influence in the realm of ideas? And then -- what?* Oh, at the top of my list would be: Palestinians without occupation; without being subjected to air strikes; no average Palestinian civilian death by Israel every two days, three days or 365 days; much-much-much more room to move without checkpoints, watchtowers or concrete barriers; no need to feel the need to Martyr with suicide bombings; an ability to (if so desired) have statehood or some national recognition evolve without it being blocked by Israeli and American political efforts/financial punishment, and...and...this is useless, isn't it? You know exactly what happens when the massive war of ideas against Palestinians is busted: they might have a better future. Alas, we've come to the core value of your questionings. *You can state your ideas without affiliating yourself with any political or ideological entity. Too satte your hopes for the future does not make you a 'dictator'.* No, no...what you asked me was, *How many Jews would or should be allowed to live in a Palestinian state?* That would imply I was a dictator, who wished to control population numbers with regards to religious belief or ethnicity. You know that. Hmm, here's a thought - what if Palestinians and Israelis could agree to a decision on that if, by some miracle, Palestinians achieved some sort of national recognition/defense against an ongoing, seemingly unstoppable Israeli occupation and well-documented suppression based on ethnicity? Just because it's not happening (AS MUCH) within Israel's ever-expanding borders, doesn't mean militarized Zionist expansion isn't making that happen. *And I assume that the UK GUARDIAN and INDEPENDENT newspapers which are consistently less than positive to Israel are not corporate media.* Oh, even the NYT runs some more in-depth issues on Palestinian occupation, which may cast a less positive view on Israel. The *impression* of journalistic impartiality is -major- for all newspapers. Palestinian suffering might not make a front page, bleeding headline story (at least I haven't seen one). Coverage on that will be, you know, some pages in, or in a secondary bit of a news story, or require registration instead of offered for free (as we've seen in this TB). Think of Palestinian suffering as *the fine print*. As for UK corporate media, don't worry, they parse those Israeli government press releases too. I can't recall a consistently less positive UK media view on Israel having stopped a Palestinian (or Israeli) from being killed in conflict, since it's Israel and America who are the big players in this Palestinian occupation. Hence, their media has the overwhelmingly pro-Zionist bias - have a look: http://www.google.com/search?q=zionist+media+bias+report Of course, listening to ultra-Zionists, you would hear complaints that media is, overall, anti-Israel, antisemitic, anti-anti, hate-hate, and will cite the token few existing *neo-Nazi* sites, which also post reports on Zionist media bias; NAZI-NAZI, denier-denier. Slogans and smears - a first defense for no defense. *without industry what would a Palestinian economy depend on? Tourism? Olives?* Oh, to consider the potential for industry to flourish when your land is not being stolen, your citizens not being walled-in, bombed, killed or deliberately malnourished to the point foreign aid ships are seized by force on open water. Instead, you implied all Palestinians would have going for them is *tourism & olives*. So it stays that way? Just like your pointing out, via that NYT article's *cultivated* bias, how criminal Palestinians are to the world? So they can be treated like criminals, with nothing going for them but olives and tourism? This kind of stuff reveals nothing but agenda, so I'd suggest quitting the B.S. Not unwilling to assist, I can offer one example you're familiar with: a small, burgeoning movie industry. You likely read the ridiculous personal and political efforts Tarzan & Arab experienced to simply attend a screening/promotion of their short film outside of Gaza. So, you know better and there's no excuse. You're just fucking around, trying to put in a dent with some *me issue* that says, *Look, look! Everything else you said before is now worthless. Please let the world view of half-truths thrive!* The issue here is two Gazans trying to have their work shown outside an open-air prison, and it will keep swinging back to that unless you come up with something else which is debatable. If you can whip it up before the Alamo Drafthouse event is over. Maybe it's better you hold out - then you can post all you want to this TB without (at least) my critique...wheee!

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    justmylick

    by GhostDad

    I never said that at all, in fact I was disagreeing with his belief that that one kid is how any middle easterner would be in the same situation. That particular Iraqi kid came in with a massive ego, felt entitled and conducted himself horribly, but that's simply who he was, not a reflection on Iraqi culture. Anyone with his attitude would fail like he did regardless of what country they come from.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 6:48 p.m. CST

    @ghostdad: Thanks for taking the time to clear that up.

    by justmyluck

    Reading *despite everyone's best intentions to to show him as a poor, oppressed Iraqi*, it could go either way. Haven't seen, *Operation Filmmaker*, either.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11 p.m. CST

    hey justmycock

    by john

    there is no occupation of palestine, for palestine does not and never has existed as an independent state when they were offered one in 48, they chose occupation by jordan and egypt so please...enough with your bs jew hate rhetoric you are an idiot

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:02 p.m. CST

    hey barry, you dickhead

    by john

    nice of you to show your true colors supporter of anti american terrorists thats right..i said nuke gaza foulest place on the planet breeder of filthy terrorists who mourned the death of bin laden bet you did too

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    belgiumrules....have you?

    by john

    yup...been to israel, the west bank, gaza and egypt...more than once

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    allthosepowers dumbass``

    by john

    did you know that woodrow wilson supported a jewish state? that there was a working israeli gov during the mandate period the mandate was there to assist in the creation of the state...which would have happened with or without ww2 too stupid to argue with hey...how did the gazans like their first big screen movie....like i fucking care

  • Go back to your *nuke GAZA* and *hater* diatribe - at least that's rhetoric within your grasp.

  • Oct. 26, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST

    ON THAT NOTE - okay, folks...

    by justmyluck

    Debating a political *ism*, or any preordained belief system (like Zion-ISM), and its *Hasbara* one-liners, you (surprise, surprise) eventually end up going in circles. So, one could keep doing this, you know, for weeks. I'm sure there's more debunking to be had, especially if there's a post-screening report, so I'll save it for another TB. As Tarzan & Arab head off for Cali, I bid these stalwart Gazans *sayonara*! Remember, no good deed goes unpunished (look out, Harry & Tim). OUT.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST

    wow...

    by paul burnett

    but what would jesus do...

  • But I am anti bigotry. These are two guys in another part of the world who love movies just as much as the people here (if not more so). There is no policital agenda here, you moron. You are just a fucking clueless nutcase speading hate on a movie forum for attention.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST

    @restyles: Yes I have...

    by BelgiumRules

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST

    justmyluck

    by m2298

    I'm sorry these guys have problems getting out of Gaza to attend their film. It would indeed be wonderful not to have air strikes, checkpoints and barriers (which cost the Israelis more than a little money to maintain). We both know that there are plenty of individuals who would kill Israelis immediately, not only in the West Bank, but on the other side of the Green Line. These individuals will continue to do this until the 'Zionist Entity' is eliminated. This is not just Zionist propaganda -- read their own publications. Perhaps one day Israel will end the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. When that happens, pre-1967 Israel proper will have to become an armed camp with restricted borders on all sides unless hardcore Jihadist types and others negating Israel's existence lay down their arms. I'm still not sure if the GUARDIAN and INDEPENDENT are 'corporate' or not. If Israelis are trying to cultivate their reporters, they are doing a pretty poor job of it. The TIMES story I mentioned was not front page, but neither are terrorist attacks against Israelis either, usually buried within a general article on Israel. My comment "without industry what would a Palestinian economy depend on? Tourism? Olives?" was not addressed to you, but to allthosepowers who stated "@restyles - the Israelis created "Cities and Industry" you say, but these are precisely the forces that are now killing the world, had Palestine been left to its own tribal earthly people things would be far different and organic" I doubt that an independent Palestinian state could survive on "organic" "tribal earthly people things" whatever that means. If anything it's a rather condescending 'noble savage' type of remark. I assume that Palestinian supporters would like to see cities like Ramallah flourish (with proper environmental controls of course).

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST

    PS

    by m2298

    for the record, I do not approve of civilian bombings.

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    allthosepowers

    by john

    and you spew ignorance and jew hate so kiss my fat white ass

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 6:16 p.m. CST

    btw, ignorant dumbasses who cant speak hebrew

    by john

    hasbara is not a bad word it means to explain as in...allow me to explain why you are all ignorant, terror loving jew hating bastards and allthosepowers...sick of your attempts to compare israel to nazis the only person who had plans to build a death camp was the grand mufti dumbass jew hating bastard

  • Oct. 27, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Justmyluck - Oh shut the fuck up about ethnic cleansing of Muslims.

    by spire_walk

    If you've read a fucking history book that wasn't written by your freshman year college professor of Islamic studies, you would know that THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST WAS ONE BIG ARAB CONQUEST. They spread their fucking religion by the sword. Boo hoo about them losing Palestine, they only have.. I don't know... ALL of North Africa, the Entire Middle East, and parts of Asia and Europe. Yeah they're the victims of conquest....LOL! Oh holy fuck, the Jews have Israel now. Holy shit, where will those displaced Arabs ever go? And I really wouldn't shed a tear if Islam as a religion/government/economic code died tomorrow. You think Christians are bad? LOL, see what Muslims do to feminists and homosexuals in their home lands. But honestly, a Jewish state should have been created out of parts of Germany and Poland after WWII, not in the middle of the most retarded people in the world.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Adolf-Hitler-Founder-Israel-Jews/dp/0965752305

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