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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!
We’re in the final stretch of the all-horror edition of the BtSPotD column, the last 11 days! It’s about time to pull out some John Carpenter.
I’ve written about The Thing a few times in this column, so I won’t jump into just how awesome it is and how Rob Bottin is a genius and the film is probably the most successful paranoid thriller/horror film every put to film. So, if you want any of that, you’re out of luck, buster!
You love the movie, I love the movie, we all love the movie and live in peaceful harmony. And now we can celebrate that peaceful harmony with a picture of John Carpenter, Rob Bottin and a poor transforming sumbitch.
I get to thank John Carpenter himself for this one, since he tweeted out a link to the picture on his own Facebook page. So, thanks John!
If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.
The ball is back in tomorrow’s pic.
-Eric Vespe
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That flick gave me nightmares for weeks .. but I still love it
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Was that when Palmer changed in the blood test scene? I remember his eyes bulging and turning all shaded of nasty before his head split in half. Happy memories...
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Oct. 20, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST
I wish he would make another Big Trouble movie just for the hell of it.
by JudasPriestly
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I thought for a second it looked like Bennings, but Benning's overtaking is pretty static, not like that puppet at all. Great pic. Quint, rave about the movie all you like, its one of my favourite movies of all time so its cool!!
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Whatever his latter day filmography is, he's made some of the straight-up coolest films of all time. He sure seemed to age at an epic rate, though.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST
Need i need to repeat again how awesome this movie is? Shouldn't it go without saying?
by AsimovLives
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THE WARD was pretty sweet.
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but i've been holding in this giant dump all day. i usually try to go in the morning before leaving for work, but i just couldn't do it this morning. i can't go at work cause there's this old guy who walks in just blows up the toilet he uses. also, i just know this fucking perverted janitor wants to come in and look at my junk. however, this one time i did take a dump at work. i then went out of the stall and told the guy washing his hands i didn't order my pizza with sausage!!
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State of the art 1982 at it's best. Last saw The Thing on a special digital one day showing at local multiplex a couple of years ago. First time I'd ever seen it on the big screen. Looked and sounded amazing. Reminded me all over again why I used to have poster on my bedroom wall as a kid.
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E.T. was the thing the entire movie. When he touched Eliot, he passed it on to him.
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One of the best so far. wow...
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(points at pants)
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Is anyone else struck by how closely Bottin resembles a Yeti? Or perhaps a Werewolf?<p> Is it possible I've consumed too much drano today?
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Oct. 20, 2011, 4:39 p.m. CST
just watched THE THING for the first time a couple nights ago...
by TheSeeker7
Well, I'm pretty sure I saw at least part of it when I was a kid, but I recalled so little, it was essentially like a totally fresh viewing. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. People, I'll be 36 years old in three months, I never imagined at this age a movie could still so get under my skin and genuinely scare the hell outta me. The Thing did exactly that. If I saw the full thing in my childhood, I'm confident I woulda been severely fucked up for WEEKS (not to mention having charges brought on my parents lol).<br> <br> And surely what helps make it so visceral, a huge part of why it's so goddamn frightening, I don't think there was a single creature affect in the film that wasn't created practically right there on set. Fuck CGI. I sure as hell hope Rob Bottin got whatever awards he was eligible for. Awesome flick.
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We love The Thing, you love The Thing. But why didn't you review the prequal? You're the only person I wanted a review from!!
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Or is it Ian Holm?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hqVbOSEsJNo#t=85s
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Oct. 20, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
When I saw it first run in the theater, I literally had nightmares that evening.
by theDORK
THAT'S how effective and genuinely scary this movie is.
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These boards are crawling fancy lads!
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:11 p.m. CST
Sorry, but Big Trouble in Little China is better.
by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK
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About The Thing, stating the FX do not hold up. Fuck that rag.
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The fans want it. Kurt is till in enough shape to do it. If we can't get the chinese guy from the first we can always get Jackie or Jet. In fact, cast both of them anyways. Chow Yung Fat as the new evil wizard. That Crouching Tiger chick, (either good or bad) and Maggie Q. Kurt can have a young, comic relief sidekick (I'm thinking Sam Rockswell) who doesn't believe his stories of wizards and monsters. He is summoned back by his buddy to Little China to face a growing threat. Evil forces are building and it's up to the group of rag tag fighters to sock it to em.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST
I bet the EW article says the pre-make has superior FX.
by hank henshaw
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:27 p.m. CST
This is from that scene where they kick "the thing" in the gonads.
by sweeneydave
Such wacky shenanigans!
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The Thing is superior to Big Trouble Not by much mind you.
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There's actually some stop motion fx during the end encounter, which just ups the fx awesome of the movie.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST
Entertainment Weekly is primarily written and edited by
by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK
overeducated millenials with good connections who are straight out of internships with US Weekly and Rolling Stone, quote-whore critics like Owen Gleiberman, and sub-Leno humor writers.
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Big Trouble is bursting at the seams with awesome. On top of being a great caper movie, it's also a kickass action romp, a classy homage to the Hollywood of yore, and one of the funnier comedies of the 1980s.
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For the first time this weekend. Me, the wife and my two boys 11 and 9 yrs old. everyone loved it. No nightmares. Great effects.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST
I think that's Brian Cox transforming into that "goddam robot"
by Marlboroliteman
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So I think "The Thing", overall, is a much better "film" as a whole. Well acted, shot, edited, sound, and so on.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST
Havent been on this site in about 3 weeks..dang we still got Brian Cox jokes going on?
by MRJONZ72
Was funny when it first happened but I fig it would had played itself out after 3 days...a week tops.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 5:56 p.m. CST
That B-acting is part of Big Trouble's charm.
by THE_CHOPPAH_STRIKES_BACK
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Also getting dropped midway thru a serial too..
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Sure, the Cox-storms has passed, but he will forever be a presence here at Ain't It Cool.
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Used often and almost universally appropriate.
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and I could almost swear the body was also used for when they investigate the Norwegian Camp and find the guy who slit his wrists.. I think it's that guy too...
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Are you serious on The Ward recommendation? I am a diehard Carpenter fan, and I had written him off, not out of hate, but out of protection for myself - I just don't want to be let down.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST
It's strange.. but Blair killing all the dogs wasthe saddest part of the movie
by LargoJr
Mainly cause you KNOW he got taken while he was trapped in the tool-shed all alone just a bit later :(
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Just checking to see if my log-in still works. I just got censored on here for bitching about PIXAR. Either that or the article was about a test screening and the studio asked them to take it down on Monsters Inc and the question of plagiarism- http://monsterama.blogspot.com/2006/01/monsters-ick.html
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Oct. 20, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST
I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter, TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!!
by LargoJr
... just sayin...
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I thought it was common knowledge that Rob Bottin was a wereyeti. Maybe he is a distant descendant of the Wookie race?
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HD-DVD, aka the greatest opportunity to own a bunch of HD movies and a great upscaler for next-to-nothing. I even got $75 from LG on my combo player because they didn't update the firmware to offer BD-Live (then 3 months later, they updated the firmware anyway) and $50 from Amazon once HD-DVD died. I used it to buy my first three blu-rays! Did you get 'The Thing' for free? I think I wound up with about 15 free movies in high def, most of which were either classics or Kubrick films, then a whole bunch more for less than $10. Also, the Toshiba A3 is still the best upscaler I've ever seen. Also have a combo blu/hd-dvd player... good times. RE: CHOPPAH STRIKES BACK Dead on about the kids working at EW. I work in television... the only way in anymore is to know these fuckers and for them to get something out of letting you through the door. And none of them have any talent. The indie film world is also FLOODED with these fuckers, all with no clue what a good movie is. Fucking reptilian, I swear.
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I always wanted him to team up with Stan Winston and that practical effects team for an Aliens sequel. Now that Stan Winston has passed on, maybe Bottin could step to the plate and do more practical creature effects for films? I could see him teaming up with Del Toro for At the Mountains of Madness, or maybe handling the practical effects for the flood creatures if a Halo film is ever given a green light.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 8:49 p.m. CST
so we appear to have not only the_choppah, but a the_choppah_strikes_back
by lv_426
Are the AICN talkbacks going to soon see: the_return_of_the_choppah the_phantom_choppah attack_of_the_choppahs revenge_of_the_choppah ?????????
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It still isn't on the level of classic Carpenter awesomeness, but it is definitely an entertaining lower budget horror flick. It is also far better than all of the latter Carpenter films like Ghosts of Mars. I liked it better than Escape From LA, and I am a huge Escape From New York fan.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 9:02 p.m. CST
Why don't we just ban anyone who hates Carpenter's The Thing?
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
That's the acid test.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST
What *was* the last film Bottin worked on, anyways?
by Nasty In The Pasty
Fight Club is the last time I recall seeing his name in a movie's credits.
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I got a brand new Toshiba HD-A3 and a choice of 10 movies off the shelf, for $30. When I got it home, the remote was missing, so I wrote an e-mail to the Manufacturer, they sent me a replacement, along with a coupon for $50 in movies at Best Buy.. which was bargain binning ALL their HD-DVD movies for $5 each LOL
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You KNOW it's only a matter of time...
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Oct. 20, 2011, 9:53 p.m. CST
EW used to be a decent industry rag back in the day. Now it is complete, superficial trash
by jawsfan
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Under 'Special Effects' it has his last 3 films as 'Serving Sara (2002), 'Deep Rising' (1998 - remember this with Treat Williams and Famke Jannsen? Mmmm...Famke...), and hey! - 'Robocop 3' (1993). 'Makeup' - Mr.Deeds - eep! (2002), Charlie's Angels (double eep! 2000), and then Fight Club in '99. ...and then not much else...sad. He's a fucking genius. from IMDB: 'His eye popping, de-pressurized effect for 'Total Recall' was the original screenplay concept of Palmer's transformation in 'The Thing.' So I guess that answers that...
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great stuff. didint know Carpenter had a facebook account.to the bat-Like robin.
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opened on the same fuckin day!! I was in heaven back then. Now we get X-man Pt. 23, Kung-Fu Steadhams and other assorted tripe.
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Carpenter's directing? The movie tanked at the box office, and Carpenter was essentially given the pink slip from Universal as their go-to genre director. Ennio Morricone's score? It 'won' a Razzie for worst score of the year. Rob Bottin's effects work? He was a 23-year old understudy who got the job at the last minute, knocked it out of the park, and only found sparing work for the 3 decades since. All of the above? Reasons why 98% of people are complete and utter fucking morons. I'd like to line every one of them up and smack them repeatedly in the face with a DVD of the movie. Not enough to scar, just enough to show my annoyance. As for the 'Thing' vs 'Big Trouble' debate... don't debate it, dudes. Two polar opposite movies, two incredibly badass filmic experiences that can never be equaled. That is the reason I literally could care less if John Carpenter ever makes another quality film, ever. When Carpenter was "on," he was the greatest genre filmmaker I've ever seen.
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Oct. 20, 2011, 10:37 p.m. CST
I just loved parts of THE WARD and Amber Heard is oh so pretty in it
by MooseMalloy
Carpenter throwing in a little torture-porn, even though he denies it. More like Argento I guess.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xltpcy_the-flowers-of-war-official-trailer-1-chine-vostus_shortfilms <p> In a Zhang Yimou film. Looks good....only the film looks a little disjointed, like two separate films in one...but perhaps the film blends them together better than the trailer.
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It was a rough morning.
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Gonna check it out when I get a little extra downtime(need to catch up on "Breaking Bad" in the meantime). I am rooting hard for Carp to have a comeback, and I could spend hours looking at Amber Heard from absolutely any angle.
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98% seems a little low, though. Ya know, you could say the same things about Blade Runner/Legend and Ridley Scott. So why does he go on to have his career post BR and Carpenter his post The Thing? I just feel that Carpenter commanded an astonishing lack of respect from the studio system throughout his entire career while Ridley is like a fucking mafia don... what is it? The english accent? The fact that he was already rich beyond comprehension from directing commercials when he started out?
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...A mAD mAn!!! [scurries around the room, arms flailing]
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- Bottin - Baker - Nicotero
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I'd love to see a movie about X-23!
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I really forgot how great that movie is.. It was fantastic seeing it on the big screen with an appreciative audience. Love to see the Thing in this way.
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when I first saw Scarlett Johansson naked. There was a 'AHH-WOO-GAH!" noise made as well.
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I remember being four years old, and my family and I were going to the movies. We had been planning it for days. My brother and sister explained to me that the movie theater was a place with a huge screen. I had seen movies on television before, but never in a theater! They explained that when you got there, the room got all dark, and you had to be quiet, unless you were laughing. The movie that my parents were taking us to was a film about an alien. I had heard my brother talking about it, and he was excited. A commercial for the movie would play on TV and he would point out that it was the movie that we were going to see. I was really excited; the whole family was. This movie had everybody talking. It was a huge cultural phenomenom. The movie, was E.T. The night we were going to see it arrived. My Dad and Mom got us all into the family car, and drove us over to the theater. It was a smaller place with only three screens. We all got out of the car, and walked up to the ticket counter. I could tell that my mother was upset soon enough. E.T. was sold out for the rest of the night. My brother and sister were pissed, but being that they were both older than I, they took it as just one of those things in life. I, on the other hand, was inconsolable. I pitched an absolute, first class, atomic fit; right in the parking lot. I remember that my Dad had to pick me up and carry me back to the car. My Mother was sort of panicking because she knew that they had to get me to a movie that night. I think that the experience of going to a movie was what worked me up all week, and the thought of not getting to experience that made me cry up a storm. When we were all back in the car, my parents started conferring about what to do. My Dad was ready to call it a night and go back home and watch Hee-Haw. My Mother was having none of that. She convinced him to drive over to the other theater in town to see what was playing there. I started to calm down a little. I think I may have realized for the first time that a temper tantrum works sometimes. When we arrived at the other theater, I was in awe at how much larger it was. This theater had eight screens, and it looked newer. When we got up to the ticket counter, my Dad and Mom started to argue over what to see. I became impatient, and the next thing I knew, my Father was walking back over to us kids with five tickets. Both of my parents grew up loving science fiction. My Father had even worked as a projectionist in the late fifties. Later in my life, he would tell me about all of the classic film he got to see when he was a young man. A lot of those were sci-fi classics like Earth VS. the Flying Saucers, The Day the Earth Stood Still, and The Thing From Another World. My Mother would go on to be just about the biggest X-Files and Sci-Fi Network fan. On this particular night, I think they just decided to throw all caution to the wind, ignore the R rating, and purchase five tickets for John Carpenter's The Thing. After the popcorn and soda was purchased, and bathrooms used, our brood entered into the theater, and found our seats. Out of about three hundred or so seats, the theater was about 10% filled. I sat between my brother and my sister. I do not recall the previews that they showed, nor do I recall most of the film. There are a few moments that I remember vividly though. The one that I remember the most is the blood test scene. When Kurt Russel's Mac is sticking the wire into the petrie dish full of blood, and The Thing leaps out, I just about soiled myself. The other bit I remember clearly, is the dog assimilation scene. When all of those tentacles ooze out of him and the head split open, I think my popcorn went flying. When we all shuffled out of the theater at the end, my mother was unimpressed to say the least. She kept saying that she bet E.T. was better. I can remember my Dad saying something like they don't make them like they used to. I think my brother thought it was okay, and my sister didn't really have an opinion. She was sixteen at the time, and she probably regarded being out with her family as torture anyway. I wasn't old enough to really know what I thought about the film, yet, around that same time, I did develop a keen interest in horror films. I started sneaking out of bed anytime one was on television. I would watch it, crouched down next to the couch in the living room, while my family watched, to avoid detection. For years, John Carpenter's The Thing became something of derision in my house. My Mother would talk about it sometimes when she was talking about bad movies. It had never really received a second look from most of us until about midway through the nineties. I was just getting out of high school, and I was at Blockbuster Video one night and decided to rent it. After all, John Carpenter did direct my favorite film of all time, Halloween, so I decided to give this film a fair shot. When I got home, my mother asked what I rented. I told her and she rolled her eyes and started complaining about it like it was 1982 again. I didn't let her loathing of the film dissuade me. I was going to watch it again, and make up my own mind about it. About two hours later, I was watching the final credits come up, and I just couldn't believe what I had seen. This was not only one of the best horror or science fiction films ever made, but it was one of the best films period. I couldn't believe that I had gone such a long time knowing that the film existed, but never really gave it a fair shot. It had been the first film that I remembered seeing the theaters for God's sake. I was shocked. How many other great films out there had Carpenter done? I remembered the Halloween films, and The Fog. Those were classics in my house. I had remembered Big Trouble in Little China because it had been on cable about a million times. I vaguely remembered my sister taking my brother and me to see a film he did called Prince of Darkness, though I didn't really remember what it was about. I may have seen They Live on cable, but I couldn't be sure. From that point on, every Friday night was devoted to renting Carpenter films. I discovered Escape From New York, Assault on Precinct 13, Starman, and Christine. I watched all of them. From then on, anytime that a Carpenter film was released in theaters, I was there. If he made something like the Masters of Horror, I bought it. The man started my love of films, and it has continued on into today. He is my favorite director of all time, and I find myself aping his style when I make short films, or when I write scripts. I am forever grateful for that night I saw The Thing in 1982. From the age of four, I've known that I was going to do something in the film industry, and it all started with a sold out show to a box office heavyweight. Months after that night, I managed to finally see E.T. It was still playing in theaters. I think I may have cried, but what four year old doesn't cry at a movie like that? Years have passed, and I'm happy to see that E.T. is kind of laughed at today while The Thing is considered to be one of the classics of it's genre. Thank you John Carpenter.
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Do a YouTube search for 'The MacReady'.
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That summer was amazing for milestone genre movies. Within seven weeks, there was The Thing, Blade Runner, ST2: The Wrath of Khan, Tron, ET, Mad Max 2/The Road Warrior and Poltergeist. And Megaforce.
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There aren't many of them, but The Thing is one.
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is one of the greatest special effects ever put on film. I love this fucking movie.
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No, really. I'm actually using that in a non-sarcastic manner.
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Gotta admit I enjoy it's cult status. Its like us real film fans know the world's greatest secret... and the fucktard fanbase of Twilight will never, ever understand. Even if we told them. I can hear it now: "What, the main-guy isn't wearing sparkly mascara?" Sorry, Twilight-guy/millennial/faggot-in-super-tight-jeans.. you wouldn't understand. The Thing, I hold up my double-bourbon to you, sir (sorry Mac, no J&B Scotch on hand tonight).
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Good movie.
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Body double??
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But it's close.
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My opinion has always been that Blair was one of the first to be assimilated, specifically from the burnt dog thing (anything could have happened to the characters when Mac and Copper were at the Norwegian camp). I have 3 reasons for thinking this.. 1) the most obvious being that the deformed dog thing comes out of Blair thing's stomach at the end, 2) the movie establishes that the thing is selfish and intelligent, so Blair's breakdown (while being a thing) was to serve 2 purposes, to sow seeds of distrust and to get him alone so he can work on a transportation vehicle in private. 3) He's not present during the Bennings incident and if we assume he's the thing at that point then he's really the only one who could have picked up the keys from the storeroom as both Norris and Palmer where watching Bennings burn. if you watch the scene where Blair is doing the computer simulation, it could be read two ways, one he's human and he realises they're in deep shit, OR he's a thing and he wants to know how long it'll take him to assimilate the whole planet. Brimley's reaction at the end of that scene allows you to read it both ways. of course, despite seeing this film a shitload of times, it's beauty is i could be completely wrong. and it's the sort of movie where everyone's opinion is valid because its power is in what you don't see. which for a gory FX laden film is quite the feat. best horror film ever made.
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Welcome to The Thing Appreciation Group. We are an expanding group, but we only accept the best. You are accepted. Welcome, friend.
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The Ward is not a great movie. It's not even terribly original. But i found it to be quite entertaining. Solid B-movie. It was one or two clever ideas about a story that by now is quite cliché. So, I found it pretty sweet. And then there's the fact that the lead is played by Amber Heard. That woman is the sex in female shape. Pretty good actress too, she doesn't slouch on the role.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 4:21 a.m. CST
"I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter, TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!!" Total pure comedy gold!
by AsimovLives
That line caused one of my biggest laughs in my histoy of film watching. Awesome!
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son_of_the_choppah house_of_the_choppah scars_of_the_choppah bride_of_the_choppah hound_of_the_choppah dungeon_of_the_choppah horror_of_the_choppah the_tax_accountant_of_the_choppah
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Why ban anybody who hate Carpenter's THE THING? They provide good amusement.
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Carpenter FB: 3000 likes Bay FB: 30000 likes. I dont want to live in this fucking planet.
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The Thing got him while he was there alone.Then the Thing returned back to the others to keep them in disarray while the new Thing in the toolshed would start building the spaceship undisturbed since the others thought that Blair was a human and safely locked in the room. Pretty genius plan from the Thing's part if you ask me.
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Yeah thats gotta be palmer. Something amazing about The Thing is that every single character is memorable. Every fucking one of them. Barring Mac, ive got a bit of a soft spot for Clark. He meant no harm, but he was too quiet for his own good!
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While I don't hate the Thing, I'm not a massive fan of it either like many seem to be as of late (methinks nostalgia has blurred the film a bit?). I think it's a decent enough flick, but where did all this worship come from? Someone up there called it a perfect movie for God sakes! I don't know, I can appreciate it, it's just not my cup of tea. It's one of those movies that seems to be insanely gross just to be gross. And while I don't have an issue with gore, I think it has it's place. Or am I just insane and missing something?
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Oct. 21, 2011, 4:58 a.m. CST
No actor in film history has nailed a line with such laser targeted perfection...
by Gabba-UK
As Donald Moffat did with the fucking couch line. End of discussion.
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flamethrowers for in an ice station? i dont think they are very efficient,from a gas consumption perspective, in melting ice.or am i wrong?
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Starting out already rich as an advantage: It prevents you from being economically dependent on the studios who hire you. They can't hit where it hurts the most, the wallet. So the studios can't blackmail and brownbeat you to do their comand. You can always turn your back. You feel yourself protected. Also, and as it happened with Ridley Scott, he pratically self-financed his first movie, and he was the movie's own bound. Basically, his first movie he made it as he wanted and also worked as his own porfolio. It won a special prize at Cannes and it was the begining of his reputation as a visualist and damn good filmmaker. And from that, he went to direct ALIEN and the rest is history. I'm not saying directors should start already rich, but it sure fucking helps.
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After seeing Gadaffi's body, and knowing he'd been lurking in a pipe... I've come to the conclusion that he was probably a THING. The rebels that caught him musta seen him sprout tentacles and his body spazzing out before they finished him off. Yep. That's the way it went down.
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...re Blair being ass'd in the toolshed... I'll be honest, that's what I used to think, it certainly would explain the noose, i.e Blair was ass'd before he had a chance to get it round his neck... but i can see no way for blair to have been in such close proximity to both corpses during the autopsy sequences and NOT be taken by the thing. Bennings was in a room with one for 2 seconds and it attacked him... but like I said, the thing itself is pretty intelligent so there's a case to be made for it not attacking blair during an autopsy. But during the rest of the film it's a genius at causing paranoia and shifting suspicion (I ain't goin' with windows...) so to me Blair's most important line in proving he's a thing is when he urges Mac to 'Watch Clarke'... we can all agree that Clarke is the red herring in the story. But like I say, the genius of this movie is that everyone's opinion is valid because all the supposed scenarios are possible within the timeframe of the story.
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What does your dad and mom think of Carpenter's THE THING today? Do they retain their opinion from that first time they watched it, or they have rewatched and reassesed their opinions?
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...I think it was by Alan Dean Foster. The ending was slightly different; Childs and Macready sat out in the cold, a chessboard set up. Loved the lyrical set-up: Your move...
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Childs exposes his bishop... Nah, I wouldn't...heh-heh...
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Fuck it looks good in HD.
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Australian free to air TV censorship has definitely changed over the years. It's definitely not the modified for TV version.
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I just watched the film LAST NIGHT.. and it was just as awesome then as it always has been. There is absolutely NOTHING about that film that doesn't still work, because it's got everything it needs, and no homogenous bullshit to drag it down or waste energy.
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The camp has literally TONS of gas stored pretty much every where, so it's not exactly at a premium. The Flame Throwers were likely used to clear the transmission antennas of massive ice buildup and clutter from the continuous assaults of weather. It was also likely used to help build and reinforce narrow walking paths by melting and then refreezing the tall piles of snow so it wouldn't collapse and trap someone.
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He said it in some documentary. It'd be great to see someone with his skills combine practical and CG effects.
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I agree, i also think that Carpenter's THE THING is a perfect movie. Maybe my definion of perfect is a bit lax, but that's how it is.
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Alright, tell us all what you think IS a perfect piece of film making.
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Hey, FUCK YOU, Palmer!
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What kind of fucking site is this where the use of quotation marks deletes entire posts? I just wrote a lengthy Thing post here and all that's left are the quotes. WTF?
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The dude is named like after some biblical stuff and whatnot. You may have heard of em. Anyone seen him?
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You see kids we've been at the detail level of reality for some time now with digital. Lighting has been the real factor. Real light hits rubber differently than it does virtual shit. So my new render engine actually makes digital look like it's hard rubber complete with latex dust and spirit gum. All the flaws and imperfections that you associate with rubber are put back in to the digital effect. Subsurface scattering is replaced with non-translucent rubber look. My new renderer makes things look like 1982 all over again. You guys are gonna shit when you see it. Of course nobody will green light anything produced with it. They have sense.
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If Cronenburg makes a movie with digital and rides the effects guys to produce perfect shit. And that becomes the mandate and thrust of the production. Then you could see some shit. Just look at some of the gross shit in splice. It was fucking the grossest digital shit ever
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Oct. 21, 2011, 8:41 a.m. CST
I always thought Blair got assimilated in the shed as well...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...since he was the one who really understood how the Thing worked, which is why he went bat-shit and axed the radio gear. Listen to his ranting during the rampage- '...It wants to BE us!'. The noose was the capper for me, as he wanted to off himself before it got to him, but he was assimilated before he got the chance. Perhaps he discovered that the Thing needed a live creature to assimilate. The 'Watch Clark' admonition to Mac was because Clark spent so much time with the dog(s). Of course, the beauty of the film is that any of us could be 'correct'. bdc's story is great. My dad was a huge fan the Arness movie - and he hated Carpenter's version as well. Sort of how we feel about comparing JC's version and the 2011 one. It's all about perspective, I guess. One of my favorite scenes is when everyone is chasing Mac, and they bust into the room to find him with the flamethrower and dynamite, his head and beard covered in frost and ready to blow everyone to fucking hell and back. Holy shit - Kurt is one fucking badass mofo.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST
How anyone could hate the carpenter version because an old black and white film barely resembling it exists..
by UltraTron
well your dad did spawn an ain'titcool poster. Makes sense.
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My sister in law in about 13 years younger than me. I'm 43. I was watching this movie on day a few years back and she was walking by the tv and made fun of the "old" movie and how lame it was. Just as she said that the scene with the head turning into the spider just started and she fuckin freaked out!!!(she hates spiders) I LMAO for about 10 minutes after that. She sat there and watched the rest of it with me lol....I LOVE THIS MOVIE!
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You fuckers just vomit words out and don't look back don't you?
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Oct. 21, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST
So that lohan twot has morgue duty during halloween and she still fucks
by UltraTron
it up. People pay good money to be put in morgues during the season. Un-grateful turd
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Oct. 21, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST
@ultratron...probably because he saw it in the theater as a kid...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...and scared the crap out of him. Nostalgia.... I wonder if he revisited it now, if he would feel it held up. My brother, however, feels that this is proof positive that we were adopted.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST
@ ultratron: Probably because he saw it in the theater as a kid...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...and it scared the crap out of him. I wonder if he revisited it now he would feel that it holds up. Nostalgia.... My brother, however, feels that this is proof positive that we were adopted.
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I still feel the site was coded by drunken, retarded monkeys. Sell the Lantern ring Harry, and hire some sober monkeys.
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I always thought Blair, looking at his computer monitor and seeing "total planetwide transformation in 27,000 hours" was the alien thinking "that's right, bitches!", not him being scared or worried. And therefore his behavior afterwards -- smashing the helicopter and computers -- was just to get access to the resources he needed to build that ship. I always thought that was the big twist. Are we to assume Blair was human until the end now? That sucks. My idea is better.
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is the way Childs says 'well then we're wrong!' god i fuckin love keith david
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I grow to appreciate this film more and more. I loved it when it first came out and it's built since there to where I class it as one of the best horrors of all time. In an age of CGI, it puts all these catroon effects movies to shame with some practical effects that both frighted, gross out and - amazingly - help advance the plot. They are not just there for show only, they have a purpose that propels the movie and builds the tension. It's too bad the Thing prequel didn't study it's predecessor - and it's better - a little more closely.
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It's cooler to think that Blair was "the Thing" almost immediately. The fact that dog DNA was in there strongly makes the case. There just aren't movies like this anymore, that inspire you to think. Nolan is the only one making movies like these. But what can we expect from a nation that elected Obama? That proves the country is full of idiots.
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... is everyone's ho-hum reaction to discovering alien life. The whole world changes for these guys and they are just so calm about it. There should have been a Sam Rockwell character jumping up and down going "holy shitballs, man, ALIENS! Jesus CHRIST!!!" They're all just standing there, relaxed, totally rolling with the premise. That just doesn't ring true to me. I know dudes will be dudes, but -- still. No one freaks out a little?
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purely because if he was, then being the smartest guy in the camp, he played everyone better. Palmer was a stoner, Norris was kind of a wet fish, they didn't have Blair's smarts to come up with the plan to turn everyone against each other. This is all going on the assumption that the thing imitates your traits and intellect as well as your appearance of course. the whole movie's a chess game, and blair's opening move is to spread paranoia and get himself isolated from the group. and following on from that, the shot of the stairs leading to the generator room then the open door child's was guarding tells me blair got to childs from the generator room while the others were looking at blair's ship... so defintiely childs was a thing at the end, no question.
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http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
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I think the "awe" of discovering an Alien life form would be short-lived based on the fact that their lives were at stake.
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and for the record, in my opinion, the whole of inception is basically Cobb using his 'years of training' to remember how he got to Saito's dinner table at the start of the film.
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I first saw the film while I was in college, in 2000 or so. So no childhood nostalgia to harken back to... I watched the movie fully prepared to hate it, as I had recently seen "must see" horror films like "Last House on the Left", "Zombie", "Cannibal Holocaust", "Hills Have Eyes" etc... and pretty much despised them all. And LOCKE --- Who the fuck cares about the discovery of alien life when it's trying to fucking eat you alive and assimilate your cells? They were anything but relaxed, you twat. Have you seen the movie? They don't trust each other, they're going insane, attempting to kill each other due to the paranoia. Go fuck yourself for stating such garbage as if it was fact.
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C'mon, man.
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THAT is such a fucking hilarious scene! Yes, and that noose next to you says you are just 'fine' HA! Love that scene.
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Doesn't anyone go FORWARD anymore. Another reason to hate LUCAS.
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...that A Barbeau - Carp's ex- was the voice of the computer during the chess scene? Cheatin' bitch.
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we weren't supposed to see what happened in the norwegian camp... that's what makes it so good. prequels suck - we know the ending already. the only 'prequelly' thing i still enjoy is (obivously) the de niro scenes in godfather 2, which is more back story than prequel.
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the best part of that scene is that he clearly doesn't want to come back inside so he can finish his spaceship, he's bluffing... but any other character than macready would have probably let him back inside. the thing used macready's intelligence and inherent mistrust against him. awesome.
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It's essentailly the events of the movie from the Thing(s) perspective. I don't know if it's canon to John Carpenters movie, but it's a great read. According to the story, Blair was already a Thing when he flipped out in the radio room.
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I posted that link a few posts up...
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Oct. 21, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST
The minute any talkbacker says "methinks" they do not exist in this dojo.
by ToughGuyRizzo
How can you not understand the love for The Thing? If you have to question it, you love the prequels.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST
RE: "That summer was amazing for milestone genre movies. Within seven weeks, there was The Thing, Blade Runner, ST2: The Wrath of Khan, Tron, ET, Mad Max 2/The Road Warrior and Poltergeist. "
by Stalkeye
And that's one of the reasons why I have a soft spot in my heart for the 80's. Good times Man, good times.
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"Mac, They're Norwegian". Classic.
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Yeah, I know which one I saw first while at the time writing off the other out of ignorance. However, both are among my top favorites. They don't really make 'em like they used to nowadays.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST
I just read the Watts story, and all I can say is - Wow!
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
Awesome! A great look at the Thing's point of view! Read it when you have the time.
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They practically own South America.
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Anyone who has watched this movie several times and loves it needs to read this. A whole NEW perspective on this story. (why do the avoid communion?) AWESOME!!
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Thx for the comment on the flame throwers. I always wondered. "Tell Childs to get the flamethrower" like they have ones just laying around ready to grab??!! Imagine getting all stoned then fuking with that all day. WEEEEE....
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You think McCain would be any better? And then he kicked the bucket and you would be governed by that brinless bimbo Palin? Get real! If you have a complain about your country, complain that yours was the one that voted for George Dumbass Bush.. TWICE!
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Both positions make for very good arguments in it's favor. Both are good ideas. The movie was made with such subtlery (yeah, it's a subtle movie despiste the gore), that both reads can be made and good points can be made in it's favour. This is the beauty of this movie. And then there's the ending, which to this day still makes people talk. This movie is great! Excelent!
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You remebner the audio comentary with Carpenter and Russell? They crack up laughing when they watch that scene. Theirs is like the same reaction any one of us would have if watching the movie. It's fantastic that two of the movie's fans are also two of the people who made it. It's as if they can't believe they made it.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 1:13 p.m. CST
The full quote: "I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time, I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!"
by AsimovLives
After all this years, it still makes me fall to my knees laughing.
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..the commentary on the Thing is one of the best I have ever heard. They had me cracking up (and they cracked each other up as well) - you could just tell they were having a great time. You can hear the lighters flicking and beer cans popping in the background the entire time (makes me wonder what they were smoking). The scene where Windows utters his now immortal line - Kurt says: "Wait! This is the best line in the whole movie!" Then they laugh for what seems like 5 minutes. I wish these guys would work together again.
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Killik, which John Carpenter page are you looking at? There are at least 3 listed under his name (this one has over 43,000 likes): https://www.facebook.com/directorjohncarpenter
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Oct. 21, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST
Kurt Russell in John Carpenter's 'Escape from Earth'
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
Where else is left to 'Escape' from? Make it happen!
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I've not watched the commentary (I rarely watch them), but will do so with The Thing now! That sounds great!
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all of Carpenters commentaries are great, especially The Thing and BTILC.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST
RE: "But what can we expect from a nation that elected Obama? That proves the country is full of idiots. "
by Stalkeye
Normally, I would respond to this banal statement/sentiment, but Asi saved me the trouble of giving you a civics lesson. Well played, Asi.
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My father and I don't really have a relationship anymore so I wouldn't know. My mother still hates it and won't be convinced to watch it again.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 3:04 p.m. CST
BTW Props to JC for adding Stevie wonder's Superstition in the Movie..
by Stalkeye
The song compliments Ennio's brilliant albiet eerie score, not to mention a lil' "soul" to the otherwise suspensful film
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The very idea of a prequel makes me nervous, if for no other reason than backdrop and atmosphere is so important for horror... so to spill any more color into a puddle where Carpenter's film starts with such a bang, (WHATHEFUCKAMIWATCHINRIGHTNOW) seems to risk deadening the impact of people coming into that movie fresh. I'm with... who said it, Moriarty, Quint? This particular era had some of the best and most risk-taking genre filmmaking ever. Don't fuck with The Thing. (Granted, this is coming from a guy who wants to see a Dark Crystal film, BAD)
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That ball thing freaked me the fuck out.
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Unemployment averaged 4.6% under Bush. It's averaged 9.1% under Obama. Bush took us into two wars. Obama kept us in two and took us into two more, killing Qaddafi as a nice footnote to his peace prize. We lost our AAA rating under Obama. He lost Chicago the Olympics. Obama outspent Bush's 8 years in his first two years, and outspent the sum total of all presidents' spending in his first three years. Bush was a terrible speaker but Obama doesn't speak at all - he reads off a teleprompter, even to children. Fast & Furious (he sent guns to Mexican drug lords to undermine the 2nd amendment), Solyndra (crony capitalism worse than ever before), Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac (sole cause of the housing crisis), GM & Chrysler (massive destruction of wealth; nationalization of industries), GE (no taxes on their billions?), the CLASS Act (a Ponzi scheme if ever there was one)... all scandals far worse than Abu Ghraib or TARP I. So, sorry if I am not quaking in my boots over your little "bimbo" rant against Palin. She could hardly have done worse than Obama, who somehow spent $4.2 trillion to make everything twice as bad as it was under Bush. But this kind of political stuff doesn't bother me as much anymore. The country has figured it out. Independents are abandoning him in droves. A 63-seat rout in the House is nothing compared to what's coming next year for our little socialist man-child. But, all your little basement-dwelling lib friends can get excited when you retort with "oh yeah... well... welllll... Palin's daughter is a whore! So there!"
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Oct. 21, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST
What is scarier than the Thing transforming while they're tied to the chair?
by locke815
That was so fucking frightening the first time around.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST
@seagrass the official one from which the topic's pic was taken.
by KilliK
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Oct. 21, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST
What makes even funnier this classic line,is that Windows was already a Thing when
by KilliK
he uttered it.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST
I'd go with you but..." "I know, there's a problem with your face.
by J-Dizzle
Love Big Trouble!
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Oct. 21, 2011, 5:29 p.m. CST
There's a hell of a lot to like about JC's "The thing'
by CAPTAIN RIGHTWING
So much so that there is very little point in my putting it all here, but I will say; the look on Palmers face just before Mac does the blood test is priceless!<p> It's like - "Yup, here it comes...' <p> Some of the best films are those that don't spell out every detail for you, they allow a multitude of different interpritations.
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Sorry to hear about that.
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Windows wasn't transformed until he was attacked by Palmer, that's why Mac had him help in administering the blood tests. Were you meaning to refer to Palmer?
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I find the joy and comradery that Carpenter and Russel display in The Thing (and Big Touble In Little China) to be contagious. I can't help but smile and laugh with them during that comentary track. And what's best is that besides they cracking up constantly, it also mannages to be quite informative as well. And you can tell the sense of pride that Carpenter has with that movie. And for once, it's completly justified. The bittersweet thing is that Carpenter is fully aware that movie, or rather that it flopped was the strart fo his decline of his career. It's easy for us to say "but he made so many classics". But from his point of viw, it must be devastating. One wodners how many projects he wanted to make that never got to, and have died by now, with no change of ever seen the light of day. And all because of economics and the fickleness of the audiences.
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Seems you are a Phantams fan. I became one when i saw that movie for the first time.. last saturday. Sinc ethen i have sene the movie 3 times. It's kinda my obsession of the moment. I can't tell you why the movie connected to me so strongly,but it did. Maybe it's because the movie it's so unique, so it's own thing.
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I found your arguments lacking in the powers of convicing, if you pardon my Yoda-speak.
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Like others have corroborated, you just have to listen to THE THING audio comentary. Loads of fun. It was that and Ridley Scott's original comentary for ALIEN that made me a fan of director's comentaries. It's the extra i find fundamental to any good DVD (or bluray) edition. And the Spielberg reason why audio comentaries are not good is bullshit. The fact even such a surealist like Alexandro Jorodowski does audio comentaries defeats Spielberg's argument to a total KO. And then you should listen to any comentary by David Cronenberg. Any comentary at all fopr any mopvie of his he made. You will feel you have grown more intelligent and grow a bit more of brain just from listen to him.
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SWEATING COCKS!!!! Brian Cox?
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Oct. 21, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST
Asi: yeah, Carpenter comes off really bitter in recent interviews...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...he never really bashes the 'System', but you can tell it hurt him. His whole, 'I don't give a fuck as long as someone hands me a check' (concerning remakes of his stuff), comes off as a bit of bluster to me. He knows he was at the top of his game, and they fucked him over good. Too bad. I mean, Ghosts of Mars was Horrible (and I'm gonna watch The Ward - on your recommendation, belive it or not - lol), and I liked Vampires after a fashion (I love Jimmy Woods, but that film would have been SO much better with Kurt in it). But he just seemed to pack it in after They Live. I find it hard to belive he's happy just chain smoking and playing Xbox, especially now with the NBA lockout (no basketball for now). I wish Kurt would rouse him from his slumber and get another Escape film rolling - one that's not as campy as LA was. As Kurt said when asked about Gerard Butler playing Snake in a proposed EFNY remake, 'Fuck him! I'M Snake Plissken!'
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LA set it up perfectly at the end. Snake was basically a western badass homage anyway, so let Carp make a western! Since Snake dismantled all electrical devices, society would have to start all over. For doing that, there's a price on his head, tons of crazy fuckers try to kill him. etc,..blah blah. Carp could do a futuristic western, totally different from the other previous two and kick tons of ass. I don't care if Kurt played him at 100 y/o he's still get cheers from the real men in the audience!
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He can blame "the system" if he wants, but some people only have so many good films in them. Carpenter did a few great ones, but those that were crap were his doing, nobody else's. Hey, at least he had more good films in him than M Night Shyamalan. That poor fucker only turned out two good movies. Carpenter has three at least.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 8:27 p.m. CST
@captain rightwing i am talking about the guy who said: "You've got to be fucking kidding."
by KilliK
was it Palmer? dont remember the name but he was already the Thing when he said it.
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Oct. 21, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST
I was referring to his dismissal from 'Firestarter'...
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...along with Bill Lancaster which happened after 'The Thing' flopped at the box office, since it went up against 'E.T.' (as did 'Blade Runner'). He has said in interviews that he took the 'failure' of 'The Thing' pretty hard - more so than some of his other films. I didn't say he 'blamed' anyone. I just think that rejection hurt him (and 'Firestarter' wound up sucking, but the source material wasn't King's best work either). I personally think that he had much more than 'three' good (or successful if you will) films: Halloween, EFNY, Thing, They Live, Big Trouble, Starman, Christine... Did he make some stinkers? Sure - I mentioned Ghosts of Mars above as an example. I belive he was offered a chance to direct Zombieland, which he turned down (and I wonder what THAT would have been like). He's a talented man. But he seems to care very much about his films - or did. I'd like to see him make a 'comeback' of sorts. I plan on watching 'The Ward' this weekend - I hope it's a start in he right direction for him. Shamalamadingdong has only one conceit: the 'twist'. They certainly don't belong in the same sentence as each other.
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Oct. 22, 2011, 4:24 a.m. CST
that movie contains some awe inspiring puppetery work..
by sherlock_junior
So does this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8muUwAvkNGs
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Dude, you left out Escape from New York which should be within the top three. Blasphemy!
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Oct. 22, 2011, 10:43 a.m. CST
The Watts story is surprisingly good, but it makes the assumption that Childs was compromised
by orcus
If we are going to use the idea setup in the prequel that nonliving matter cannot be replicated, Childs still has his earring at the end of the movie so it can be inferred that he is still human. Or it could have taken over him and put the earring on. Whatever. Orcus thought it was an interesting point to bring up.
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Oct. 23, 2011, 9:11 a.m. CST
Don't most serious analysts of The Thing agree that Childs was Thingy at the end?
by proevad
Thought it wasn't even debatable any more. Rob Ager all but proved it I think.
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Oct. 23, 2011, 10:33 a.m. CST
a more successfully paranoid thriller/horror film put to film:
by ufoclub1977
is 1978 Phillip Kaufman's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". It's so good. I got both of these on blu-ray, and show them both to new viewers from time to time, and "Invasion…" plays out more spooky and more successful as a storyline than 1982's "The Thing". "Invasion…" also had some fairly revolutionary effects that are almost little precursors to the undeniably genius influential effects art of The Thing. Blooming flower shapes, writhing wet forms, unearthly noises, tendrils, breathing, meat mixed with plant…
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I know that John Carpenter had a phenomenal run of movies up to The Thing, but I also like to think that he at least carried that on in the '80's. Christine was a decent King adaptation in a sea of awful ones (only a few really stood out inthe '80's), Starman is severely underrated, and then we had the awesomeness of Big Trouble in Little China, Prince of Darkness and They Live!! Sadly, by the time of Ghosts of Mars, the quality had petered out (will watch the Ward this week though!!). I would love to see Carpenter have his own take, on a proper Thing Sequel - after his own movie, and not some silly prequel. Sadly, as far as I've read, he wanted that for years, and Universal have shat on it time and again. Fuck Universal. They wear clown shoes!!
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Thanks for mentioning the Rob Ager thing, I had never seen it. I had always wondered what the meaning of the shared whiskey and Mac's laugh was. I was kinda depressed, thinking that Mac was indeed the Thing, and was chuckling because he just stealthily infected Childs with the whiskey bottle. Mac setting Childs/Thing up by offering the bottle in the first place and harkening back to the computer chess match and 'sharing' his whiskey with it makes a lot more sense, especially when he quoted the screenplay with Mac "setting up a non-electronic Chess board". Good stuff, my man.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SppG-I_Dhxw This is gonna turn into another OT vs PT debate. Actually it's better that the ending is ambiguous. If this sit can prove anything is that any point pro or con can be argued to death. Anyhoo, didn't Dark Horse so a sequel to the Thing anyway? But then, they did a sequel to Aliens, which was pretty much negated by Alien3
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Oct. 24, 2011, 7:03 a.m. CST
@ Lucky13:Had to watch this again the other night....
by Joaquin_Ondamoon
...talking about 'The Thing' all week got me jonesing for some Macready, so I sat down to watch it again. I never even thought about Mac being a Thing until the end when he hands Childs the scotch bottle, and my mind flashed back to Fuchs saying "We should all prepare our own food. And eat out of cans." I was like, 'Wow! How did I not see that before. It makes the last line of the movie and Mac's chuckle seem a bit sinister. And while we're on the subject, since the Thing cannot replicate inanimate matter, how do all the Things have on the clothes of the replicated humans if 'I think it tears through your clothes when it happens' is true? Bennings comes to mind, since he got taken in the storeroom in a matter of minutes, and when they torched him he had on the clothes of the original (with no blood or viscera on them. With all the talk of Childs earring, I was wondering how this slipped through the cracks. Bookmarked the Ayers vid - gonna check it out later. Watched the first few minutes,until the kids demanded the laptop to play Moshi Monsters (ugh..).
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As a Troper, I think the proper term for the photo above is High Octane Nightmare Fuel. On the subject of the movie? Here's my thought: the real problem isn't CGI versus Models. As a matter of fact, many reviewers commented that the Thing's effects were kind of gratuitous in their day as well. Personally, I thinking Carpenter over did it, and it feels kind of overdone to me. The real issues are basically aesthetic, not methodological. If CGI can get you a result better, you should use it. Practical models, ditto. The best directors often do both. As for the political stuff? :-D locke815- Let me respond to your crock of continuous bullshit. You talk about unemployment rates, but you neglect something: how we got there. Bush's last year in office saw four million jobs lost. We lost GDP at an annualized rate of 8.9% that last quarter. Obama was never going to save us totally from the effects of that monumental screw-up. He did, however, push a stimulus that stopped the slide, meaning things didn't get worse than 10.1%. By contrast, Reagan only managed to halt unemployment at 10.8% with an economic contraction that was half as bad. You talk about wars. Well, the fact that Bush got us into two wars in his first term, and that they're still not done in Obama's first is more a reflection on Bush's foreign policy than Obama's. Cleaning up a mess is more difficult than making one. The Iraq War's going to be over by years end, The commitment in Central Africa is just 100 troops, and the Libya mission is basically finished, so there will be just one war left to close out. You talk about our AAA rating. Good heavens, you dare to bring up that? The primary reason for that downgrade was that a certain party was holding the debt ceiling increase hostage, and when it was all over, they said they would do it again, the fucking morons. As for Obama as a speaker? The guy does just fine, not that you'd notice with your head stuck up FOXNews' swollen anus. The man demolished your people with no teleprompter in sight when he had that little confrontation with them during the healthcare reform debate. On the subject of the budget, the main expense that you say makes Obama a big spender ARE BUSH'S PROGRAMS, his tax cut, his Medicare drug benefit, and the two wars he couldn't be bothered to finish. On the subject of Fast and Furious? You realize, don't you, that the proxy purchases continue in part because there really isn't a solid law against buying guns on behalf of drug dealers. As for guns, the fact that NRA VP Wayne LaPierre had to resort to saying that Obama's lack of efforts towards gun control were a conspiracy to take people's guns shows just how absurd the claims have gotten. Solyndra was a bad deal, but 98.7% of the loans in the same program are still good. Addtionally, one of the reasons that the firm went bankrupt was that prices for Solar Panels of other kinds went cheaper faster than Solyndra's design. Freddie and Fannie didn't make create the economic collapse. They couldn't have. They were being far outcompeted by fully private, unregulated non-bank lenders, lenders who could make riskier loans. Additionally, the economic crisis wasn't merely the result of the Housing Market crash. I know that's heresy to you, but you tell me, why did the crash in the markets as a whole come from Wall Street? Why did the panic start with Lehman Brother's collapsing? Lehman Brothers was an investment bank! Too Big To Fail didn't simply come from the fact that these banks were too large, but also from the fact that the whole financial sector is tangled in a rats-nest of worthless derivatives, and toxic assets of uncertain worth. But you say Freddie and Fannie are solely responsible. What bullshit. GM and Chrysler are still private, for the most part, making private profits. The government has a stake, but that stake is gradually being sold off. Meanwhile, we avoided millions of lost jobs. On the subject of GE? I'm sorry, but Obama didn't make those corporations out there tax exempt. Your people have pushed tax breaks and tax cuts for decades now, and you're shocked these corporations are paying so little? You really are full of it, mister. The CLASS act? Well, let me put it this way: the Obama Administration has admitted outright that the program didn't work, and they've killed it. They did the right thing. As for your line "all scandals far worse than Abu Ghraib or TARP 1." I think it is a very illuminating statement on your part, because it tells us exactly what your intent is here: to cover for Bush by making Obama look worse through relentless application of bad press and scandal mongering. Look back at that 63 seat rout with fondness, because your party's bullshit has worn thin with people. Look out there at the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Rather than have to build itself up in a furious storm of fearmongering, it's gaining attention and audience sympathy with very little active help from the media. The reality is, you have spun a web of horseshit lies around yourself so thick you're not even in touch with reality anymore. You don't realize how awful your policies are, nor how unpopular your party's actions are. Nor do you see what an effective and strong leader we have. You're too busy trying to replace him with those nuts, idiots, and cranks that constitute your party's Presidential lineup. People are tired of this crap. You will lose because you don't realize this.
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