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But Will It Be Called TRANS4MERS??

Merrick here...

This should come as no surprise at all to anyone realizing that TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON - the last entry in the franchise - made like one hundred ka-zillion-trillion-bajillion dollars (actually, I think it was more like a billion or so).  

THR says...

Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner said Monday that the toy giant is in active discussions with studio partner Paramount, director Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg about a potential fourth Transformers movie, adding he hopes to have news to share in the next quarter.

I quite enjoyed the style and tone of DARK OF THE MOON after roundly detesting REVENGE OF THE FALLEN.  DotM was the TRANSFORMERS movie I've wanted to see all along, so hopefully they'll keep their footing this fourth time around. 

I do kinda wish Bay & Co. would have more fun with funkier vehicles.  There are so many pieces of shit cars, bikes, and trucks on the road having a Transformer or two be something other than slick concept vehicles could prove a lot of fun & broaden the picture's universe a bit.  

Or have they done that already and I'm just not remembering?   I mean, other than The Twins?  


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  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by IndianaPeach

    dark of the moon lame

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by Sardonic

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    DOTM was better than ROTF...

    by badboymason being kicked in the balls once is better than being kicked in the balls twice.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Dark of the Moon was awful

    by murray_hamilton

    Got that and X-Men: First Class out of the Redbox the other night. X-Men was waaaaaaaaay better. SPOILER ALERT BELOW! It was pretty cool when Optimus Prime ripped Megatron's fucking head off at the end though. I'll give it that at least.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Dark of the Moon was better than the last one.


    But that's like saying gonorrhea's better than syphilis. Dark of the Moon was still a shit film no matter what way you cut it. Besides, didn't Bay already say he was ready to move on from this franchise now?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:37 p.m. CST

    DOTM was like diarrhea and ROTF was constipation...

    by StarQrtrs

    either way they were both shit.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Michael's best days are behind him

    by Timahh

    He shoulda stayed shooting those playboy VHS

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST

    The rise of Galvetron

    by Gore_monkey

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by templesweeper

    I saw DOTM in 3D IMAX, and yeah, it was better than the 2nd film. It was a visual spectacle...but as many times as I said, "wow, that looked really cool" I also thought, "Wow, that was really lame." If Bay would have just actually cared for 1 second about the CHARACTERS then the movies could have been infinitely better. And by "characters" I mean the Transformers. The reason the original cartoon was so successful was because people actually cared about the Transformers themselves. In the 80's animated Transformers movie, when Prowl and a few other Transformers died, people were shocked and actually quite affected. An Autobot died in DOTM (sad that I can't remember which one) and I could have cared less. It shouldn't be that way. Anyway, the movies are fun, but they could have been actually great movies if the filmmakers had given us one meaningful character moment. Sigh...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST

    WHAT? SO how do the Star Wars prequels get mocked...

    by ZodNotGod

    and this shit gets praised? Fuck off every last one of you hypocritical douche drinks! 90 minutes of the job searching by Sam was such a waste....even the robot fu was a waste. Idiots.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Megatron becomes this guy

    by Gore_monkey

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Dark of the moon was just a little better than ROTF

    by Randy

    Still a really awful movie.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST

    DOTM + Megan Fox = Much better

    by 9000rpm

    While DOTM was the best of the three the blonde who subbed in for Megan Fox was mediocre. DOTM would have been so much more enjoyable with Fox.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Bay just make Bad Boys 3...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Transformers 1 was a let down. Transformers 2 was the worst movie I've ever seen. Transformers 3 had a couple moments but over all wasted too much time with pointless shit in the first hour. They need new people to make these movies and make them... You know good! Bay just make crazy action movies no one cares about.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    So, 3D was a big selling feature to TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON

    by Snookeroo

    Why wasn't it released in Blu-ray 3D for home? Seems like they missed an audience there.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The source material is not Shakespeare

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Or at least we thought it wasn't, but we will come to find out that the Transformers toy line was actually based on a series of plays written by the great bard based on transforming robots. The actual manuscript was actually found by a high level exectutive within the toy company Takara back in the late 1970's.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    No more Bay or Lebouef

    by TheDudeballAbides

    If they do make another one, give a different director a chance and please get someone other than Shia to be the main human actor.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Please let it die!!!

    by notcher

    Don't care to see another one, don't want to see another one, I know it's a cash cow, but please let it die for the love of God!!! That goes for the Pirates films as well! Sheesh!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by Steven Carrita

    Seriously, could we finally get some Dinobots into the mix here? Or maybe introduce Unicron?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

    by photoboy

    Bayformers 3 was as utterly fucking wretched and unwatchable as the first two. Fire Bay and reboot the whole thing with a proper and respectful Gen 1 story or fuck right off.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST

    DOTM's 3D is incredible

    by pikazerox

    I didn't get to see Avatar in 3D, but DOTM was the first 3D movie where I constantly noticed the effect for the entire running time. Everything else I've seen I stop noticing after awhile. My head fucking hurt when it was done, and it was awesome. Movie itself was okay, great action.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Merrick, I honestly can't BELIEVE you could give DOTM even a slight pass

    by freak2thec0re

    Come on now ...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:56 p.m. CST

    If this one doesn't have goddamn dinobots

    by Saracen1

    it can fuck off

  • Fucking ppl are clueless.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2 p.m. CST

    Fuck you. Michael, Bay.

    by teddy_duchamp

    your films are UTTER SHIT Good night.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Bring back Jazz......

    by Stark1070

    and I'll forgive you, Michael. Bring back Megan Fox to be gang-raped by the Dinobots and I'll come to California and fellate you.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by JediWuddayaknow

    These movies aren't anywhere close to comparison with the hatred of the Prequels. These movies don't have to contend with arguably superior movies they're supposed to be BASED on, as part of their continuity, yet completely ignore huge parts. These movies aren't ruining movies that came before them because they couldn't be bothered to sync up. The prequels were shit because they failed to live up to just about everything laid out by the original trilogy, unless you do some SERIOUS mental gymnastics.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I've gone into every Transformers movie with the same mindset ...

    by Vince Ricardo

    ... "It's an action movie with talking cars and jets, based on TOYS" (that I was too old to play with when they first came out), NOT a future Academy Award winner. I'm aware of Transformers Gen1 (my little brother had a Soundwave, with ravage and laserbeak, SkyWarp and a Devastator that I bought him), and my two boys have a few of the newer Transformer toys (as well as my brother's old ones). However, I have no emotional ties (lol, "emotional ties" to robots?) to the original cartoons. Heck, I did see some of them, and thought (at the time) that they were pretty damned mediocre and corny. Therefore, the Bay films have pretty much lived up to (down to?) my expectations: Action, Giant Robots beating each other up, cheesy human characters and ridiculous "they should have died there, but somehow only got scratched" situations. Transformers 1 was fine. Popcorn flick. My sons love it. Transformers: RotF was too long. Tons of "eye-rollin'" situations. My favorite was when they exited the Smithsonian Air & Flight Museum and somehow ended up in Tucson, Arizona. ROFL! My sons still enjoyed it a bit (9 and 3 at the time) Transformers: DSotM? Too long. Too much screen time given to some of the characters. Ugly (sorry, her face is REALLY odd-looking) female lead. Lamest human villian ever (well, one of them). Blah Blah Blah, but, really, though, the worst part for me is that for all of the action in it, all the destruction, it was kinda boring. I almost couldn't wait for it to end. Will I watch a FOURTH Transformers flick? If my sons want to, I'll watch it with them. Am I looking forward to it? Nah.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Nuts :(

    by thommcg

    Transformers 3 was needlessly and pointlessly overlong. Though it did have its moments, primarily Optimus Prime admitting he faked the Autobot deaths and allowed the Deceptions to massacre those in Chicago just to prove what he was saying all along - Deceptions are bad.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Reboot more than welcome

    by syn_flood

    Unlike Spider-Man

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Dark of the Moon was boring

    by Redmantle

    I was expecting an action packed adventure, instead it was exposition laden talky talk. I wanted to be on the edge of my seat. I was bored. Never really felt any sense of threat until the very end. BORED. Though I think these movies are kind of lame. I need "R" movies. So they aren't for me. I thought the first one stunk, but DotM got such good reviews from sites like this I thought I'd like it. No such luck. Though I did like looking at the girl. VERY nice.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Love Bay but it's time for a change...

    by palpeedude

    I (A DIE HARD FAN OF G1) loved Dark of the Moon but I feel as though this is as far as Bay can take it. He did an awesome job and so it's time Spielberg take a break and let Bay produce. NEW DIRECTOR! How about Louis Leterrier? NO BRET RATNER!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I didnt watch the 3rd movie and i will never watch it

    by KilliK

    and i am proud of it.i gave one chance to Bay with TF1.Despite its problems i liked i gave a second chance to Bay based on the assumption that after the introductory first movie,he would pay more focus on the development of the bot characters and the telling of a better story.But then i watched TF2 and i swore to myself that i will never,never again watch anything coming from that shitty,in name only,director. I know that Bay doesnt give a fuck about my opinion for his movies, unfortunately in this age the only measure of success is how much money you earn thus Bay is considered a successful and even a great filmamaker,but that doesnt stop me from saying this: FUCK YOU BAY AND YOUR FUCKING MOVIES,FUCK YOU.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I can't take anymore, metal on metal, robot on robot fighting. So boring.

    by moonlightdrive

    Enough is enough. Put it to bed now please. 3rd film was better than second but still too long. Action scenes between robots were definitely clearer though and the 3D was done well.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST

    people who hate these are hilarious

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    its a movie about giant robots that transform into vehicles! Did any of you actually watch the cartoon? There's no story or character development! It was created to sell toys! When I go see Take Shelter and Moneyball, I'm looking for nuanced performances and layered storytelling. When I go see Transformers I'm looking to watch giant robots beat the shit out of each other. Mission accomplished

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by Dookie_Lumpkins

    Make that one!!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST

    @jediwuddayaknow - Agreed. But watch out, he's gonna come back swearing at you.

    by welcometothepartypal


  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I read that as TRANSMARMERS.

    by blackwood

    Not inappropriate. I more-or-less forgot everything about DOTM after I saw it in the theatre except a resounding "WHEEEEEE!" that got quieter and quieter the longer I got away from it. But I figured, why not, so picked it up on Blu. Sorry, people with taste, but it's without a doubt the best film Michael Bay has ever made, the best TRANSFORMERS of the lot and a spectacular, insane, amazing display of big-dicked effects and explosions. I dig it, even without the 3D. I especially love that all of the stuff that makes it stupid and ridiculous goes by so quickly... it's like being on a rollercoaster and every so often phantom fingers come out of the dark to tickle you and start getting handsy but then wooosh off around the next corner. Anyway. TRANSMARMERS. Fun.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Bay, replace Shia with Brendan Fraser!!!

    by Dookie_Lumpkins

    B-Ride has replaced his respectable dramas with cartoony stories of Looney Tunes and talking animals. No one attends a 4 year acting college like Cornish in Seattle with the intention of using their Shakespeare studies to incorporate Strasberg techniques with a duck inserted in post production. I mean seriously, not only him but throw in Mel too. Two birds with one stone (let's hope the movie wouldn't sink like one). Hollywood loves a comeback!!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Bay!!! Reboot Mrs Winterbourne!!!

    by Dookie_Lumpkins

  • They could've tried harder to raise above the source material (which I'm not sure they even achieved to match). The Transformers movies don't really have much "giant robots beating the shit out of each other". The movie(s) focus is always on the annoying Shia character yellin' "nonononono! Optumuuuuuus!" and the other retarded human characters. Robots, since they are so expensive to have onscreen, appear for about 20% of the movies' run time.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Please no!!

    by Colonel Kurtz

    I used to be a raging Michael Bay fan. I loved all his movies, yes, even Pearl Harbor and the first Transformers. But Transformers 2 and the only marginally better Transformers 3 are really atrocious for the most part. I believe he's lost his touch with awesomeness. Make Bad Boys 3 or a Modern Warfare movie! Please! Let the Autobots and Decepticons rot on the junkyard where they belong. Prove that you still have it! Go back to Jerry Bruckheimer and let him talk some balls into you again!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST

    A new direction would be refreshing

    by TheCAT7225

    Loved the first one, hated the second, enjoyed the third for the action and effects but I really think a fourth could use a fresh take. I swear I'll never use the word reboot especially for a franchise thats less than 5 years old. Predacons or Unicron would be cool. It'd be a big mistake to bring back Megatron again.

  • What? I'm all for mindless entertainment, but the TF movies are shockingly bad. I don't know what's worse. The opinions of the contributors here. Or the fact that I still read this site when I rarely agree with anything they have to say.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Dark of the Turd

    by D o o d

    yes there is a darker side to a turd and michael Bay captured it beautifully!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    SO how do the Star Wars prequels get mocked...

    by Jay

    It's called being a hypocrite. The fact that anyone on this site has the balls to bash the prequels when they continue to praise absolute trash like Transformers or Green Lantern is beyond me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I really wish quotation marks actually worked.

    by Jay

    How can you continue to have such a flawed comment section?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I'm happy...

    by emteem

    ...that Merrick apparently got the Transformers movie he wanted all along (god help him). Now, can I get the Transformers movie I've wanted all along?

  • Adama - Harrison Ford or Liam Neeson Apollo - Brandon Routh Starbuck - Bradley Cooper Boomer - Chiwetel Ejiofor Tigh - Sam Jackson Anthea - Eva Mendes Cassiopeia - Reese Witherspoon Baltar - McKellan or Spacey Not forgetting the Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict cameos

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The biggest wtf moment for me was Optimus getting stuck in the wires.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Why would they emasculate him like that? Of all the stupid reasons to get him out of the picture for a few minutes...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    wasnt DOTM just a giant advert for Star Trek?


    Nimoy as previous Prime stupid bots watching an episode on tv "its like the starship enterprise in here' "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" "always shall be your friend'

  • I gave up on Dark Of The Moon about halfway through the destruction of Chicago because I simply couldn't take one more explosion or CGI buiding destroyed. There is simply no pacing. It's relentless action beat followed by action beat, on and on. The fact that this movie made another kajillion dollars alongside the first two, makes me sad.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST

    zodnotgod & bantuwind

    by TDH1138

    No shit, right?!? It's a fucking disgrace.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Really hope it doesn't make it to the UK

    by Dolmes

    Fed up of shitty Hollywood films taking up seven screens in a multiplex and effectively killing our cinemas. Tyrannosaur and Perfect Sense better then any of Michael Bay's back catalogue.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    @ all the Bay haters out there...

    by Breotan

    I swear to God you people are as bad as the Gibson haters. Probably some of the same people, even. Bay makes movies that rake in more money in a month than any of you will ever see in your entire lives combined. Until you can show you are able do that good with your "formula", you better understand that no studio will give your opinions the time of day - not even Troma. You don't want to watch Bay's movies, then fine. Crawl back into your art houses and masturbate to "The Road" a few more times instead, if that's what you want to do. I don't really care. Just get the hell off your fucking high horses and stop acting like any of you are the final arbiter of what is worthy of production and distribution in this country.

  • A Spielberg directed Transformers, now THAT would be something worth seeing!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:24 p.m. CST

    How can you make 3 Transformers movies and not get bored to tears????

    by Billy_D_Williams

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I really like Bay's 'Sassy' transformers

    by jacquelinebisettsnipples

    The way they talk in the funky type language and always have a funny quip or a sassy comeback, I hope there is even more of this in the 4th one.

  • Make an unbelievably bad movie (RotF) and then follow it up with a decent piece of dog shit that you can pick up easily with a plastic bag with no mess? Is that the secret?? Any critic that thinks DOTM was ANY good is such a tool and a waste readers time.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by Dennis_Moore

    You've totally missed the point of talkbacks. We can bitch all we want, and we don't give a fuck how much a movie has made. Box office take has NEVER been an unassailable indicator of quality. If you don't like people expressing opinions contrary to your own, GTFO.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Fall of Cybertron video game coming soon - maybe a tie in?

    by impossibledreamers

    Just a thought.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Worthington's Law

    by Aquatarkusman

    More money = better than. Who made more money than Enrico Caruso? The Red Rocker, Sammy Hagar! So SHUT UP, Caruso!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Hate to say it, but I want another TF movie

    by Autodidact


  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Could someone on AICN explain to us -

    by Mr Gorilla

    - in what way is this 'cool news'? 'Cause I'd love to know. Cool for you in that it drives traffic to your talkbacks, maybe? Not cool for people who love movies.

  • Transformers: The Movie was the Transformers movie I always wanted to see. 'Nuf said.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by Mel

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    A reboot is the only way they can get away from those god awful robot designs


    You can get a new director, scriptwriter, actors, even a new FX team but if it has to fit in with the continuity of the three previous films then the robots will still end up looking like walking scrapheaps and not Transformers.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Right on.

    by Meathook83

    I loath Bay's pitiful take on this awesome world of alien robots that enchanted me as a 7 years old boy back at the late 80s. All the humans and most of the robots in his movies suck. The only exception was Optimus Prime. He looked awesome, all detailed, and had the original terrific voice of Peter Cullen. Other than that, all the magic of the original show and cool theme song were gone.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST

    How can you call yourselfs geeks and not like any of the Transformers???

    by Tikidonkeypunch

    A lot of your arguments were valid but to have an actual hate of the films is beyond me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST

    i took my bastard son to see the first one

    by mick vance

    when i asked him if he wanted to go see the sequel, his mother told me he wasn't really mine. i guess it's good that i didn't have to wait till he was 18 to find this out, but it was also kind of a disappointment. he was a pretty cool "son", and i hope he still considers me his father. the last thing i told him was i hoped he'd want to tag team his first bar skank with me. (wipes tear away from eye)...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Everything that is bad with 21st century life

    by w4tkn

    DOTM for me summed up what is wrong with living in the 21st century, everything is measured by style and not function. This as a film was one big money shot and we all went to see it. The only way Hollywood is going to listen is if we don't go and see the next one. If it is the same creative team behind it then why would it be any different? DOTM was full of cheap gags and no content, eye candy galore and just like a moldy air brushed apple - looked good on the outside but one bite and you know you've got the skitz. When did we become so shallow?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    ROTF: an Ode to Dog Fucking

    by vetepalapinga

    Think about it-dogs fucking each other, the miniature robot doggy humping Megan Fox's leg, Devastator was a dog with huge balls... that abomination of a movie was Bay's ode to dog fucking. I will never watch DOTM. I don't think I'll ever see a Bay film ever again because of ROTF- the worst blockbuster in history.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    I'm with you, musicman

    by vetepalapinga

    Feed Bay to the sharkticons.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST

    coolhandjuke - so did you get to see TF2 with your bastard son?


    or TF3 for that matter?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST


    by mick vance

    his mom didn't want me to take him since she started the claim i wasn't really his dad, so we missed 2 which is good i guess. she's let him back into my life a bit, and i showed him the cartoon movie last summer...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Transformers 4: Revenge of Chicago

    by Paul Metzger

  • I cannot fathom why these movies do so well outside the U.S. I thought the euros hated uber nationalistic U.S. movies! Moscow practically held a parade for it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:42 p.m. CST

    AICN still owes me £12


    All of the staff here recommended Transformers 3 and I took my son to see it against my better judgement. It was the worst thing I have seen at the cinema since Transformers 2. To this day I am convinced they were paid for positive reviews. No way can so many people from one place be so wrong and out of character. No way.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Get a new director and writer


    I can't believe Stephen Spielberg would put his name anywhere on this shit. I kinda liked the first, hated the second and detested the third.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST



    dont bother showing him TF2 or TF3 - have him watch the Tree of Life instead...make him appreciate life, fathers, being a son, his place in the universe etc etc

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Autobots REBOOT!

    by OnO

    1+ for AICN for somehow managing to get another Transformers Talkback going before 2012. YAY!!!!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Grimlock has more depth than any character in the TF universe.

    by jimbojones123

    Since they already pissed away their opportunity on Jetfire, Gridlock and the Dinobots are just about the only pieces of pure gold left.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by bubcus

    **Spoilers** So with Megatron & Shockwave dead and what looks like Cybertron (half) destroyed in Earth's orbit, I'm not sure what to expect with a follow-up. Do they cheap out and bring in Unicron or Galvatron or a whole new villain in the next film? I'd prefer to see a reboot targeted more for families than what Michael Bay brought us... in the same spirit as (if not more mature than) the animated film. I guess I am just torn about this. I liked the special effects in the Bay films and there were aspects that were fun (and YES, these were better or more enjoyable than the Star Wars prequels... Shia, his parents, and his love interests bring far more personality than the SW prequels combined) but I was still groaning over each sequel that was coming out....

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Bay will never leave this series...

    by The_Guy_Who_Invented_Coca_Cola

    ...the last thing he directed before TF1 was his only real flop. So he'll stick with this until it turns into the Saw series with even ardent fans going to see new ones just to laugh at how shitty it is.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Transformers helps people out of a double dip recession

    by J. Cunning

    Optimus Prime "My diesel fuel is running low."

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST

    You know it's bad

    by Cruizer Dave

    when you fall asleep during the "action" scenes. Seriously, this should have been about an hour shorter than it was. It was just so dense in the action, that it became boring.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Dear Merrick...

    by Suskis

    reading your words: "I quite enjoyed the style and tone of DARK OF THE MOON" make me doubt you understand A FUCK about movies. all 3 Transformer movies where STEAMING PILES OF SHIT. the last one was the WORST of them all in terms of gratuitous countless deus ex machina, predictability and silliness style and tone? I can't believe what I have read...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Transformer Prime is way better than the TF movies!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    And you can tell the characters apart.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:35 p.m. CST

    real steel much better

    by taff

    Real Steel showed what a transformer movie could be. I really disliked Transformers 2 & 3. Didn't see one.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    coolhandjuke LMFAO

    by smokie

    You made my day. Best AICN talkback reply ever.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by Todaysfate

    Since both franchises have been shot. May as well go for broke with Hasbro and do the GIJOE/TRANSFORMERS crossover. IN all actuality .... Bay would have done GIJOE 1000% better than what it ended up getting. THE ROCK had the perfect feel for what a GIJOE movie should have been.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:01 p.m. CST

    This talkback is pointless

    by bohdi71

    People saying DOTM is shit or ROTF is shit, it's all for nothing the last movie made over a billion dollars. That's all the studios care about....

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST


    by Darkman

    That's what I think when people say 'The first Transformers was awesome. Why did RotF suck shit through a straw?'. They're the same fucking movie, Einstein. 'Revenge' was just (way) more of the same. <br><br> I actually think 'Dark of the Moon' was the best of the Bayformers movies...much in the way you'd call someone the tallest midget.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:22 p.m. CST


    by Todaysfate

    Anyone who read the Lary Hamma / Marvel GIJOE knows that GIJOE could have been treated with a more mature and serious tone than what it got. Bay could have pulled it off along with adding that element of flash and show, and attitude that fits GIJOE, but not necessarily Transformers. Its been sad to see XMEN, SPIDERMAN, and BATMAN, and AVENGERS get a serious, classy, treatment over these last few years while the two largest toy franchises in history get treated more like the Smurfs and the Chipmunks.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I've never seen a single TRANSFORMERS movie

    by gaygoonie

    That makes me better than all of you. The end.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    @todaysfate you analogy is spot ON!!!!

    by gk1

    had those movies been done the way TF:INO there'd BE no more movies in that vein.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    DOTM was NOT Epic. Stop drinking all the f-cking Kool-aid.

    by Boober

    A giant metal worm ate a building and dudes in flying squirrel suits did some absolutely impossible sh!t. Some robots fought with fairly unimpressive larger versions of boring, conventional weapons. Megatron being Gangsta was awesome for all of 2 seconds before the writers castrated him. The most disappointing thing was that the franchise DID start out epic when Blackout went apesh!t on that military base, and then everything got nerfed by a power of 10 and it all went downhill from there...

  • They seem to be setting him up for it...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    superjim : Did your son enjoy it??


    My nephew thinks its the greatest thing hes ever seen ... hes 7 .... target audience.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Does MBay want to make these...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    ...for the rest of his natural life? If they wise up and realize people are seeing these *in spite* of all the shit he injects into them (or are indifferent to it), and so long as big robots hit each other will go to the cinema regardless, it might be nice if they tried something a bit different. Really shift it to the robot perspective. Not that I would say Bay has laid the groundwork for such a tonal shift, even after three movies. The kind of position the human kid and his father play in the old animated movie would have been perfect even for the first film, really, and definitely for the second; have a (maybe younger, inexperienced, okay) robot as the main character, with a human friend as more of a sidekick but, when he needs saving, that still translates to relatability and peril for the audience.

  • especially at 1:18,that scene alone gives all the reason you need to understand why Asimov as a ST fan, is so much enraged with the screenplay "skills" of BOBORCI and co and how those "skills" shaped the rebooted Star Trek. Bob Orci if you are reading are a fucking hack.and your buddy Bay is a hack too.and all the money in the world wont change this fact.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    'Transformers Begins' by Chris Nolan

    by SmokingRobot

    Hey, someone had to say it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Unless it's a even bigger amount of money...

    by misterk360

    Can't imagine Bay would want to make this next as he's stated he wants to make his low(er) budget dark comedy "Pain & Gain" as his next picture.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:19 p.m. CST

    If we put some Zyklon B on the movie theaters showing this

    by Ricardo

    The average IQ of the world will double.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    TF1=Pretty Good...

    by GravyAkira

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST

    TF2=One of the worst movies ever made!

    by GravyAkira

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by GravyAkira

    This series really underachieved. I still think the best part of the whole trilogy is the last 45 minutes of TF1. The whole Chicago battle at the end of TF3 was kind of a let down. I want more Megatron! Dont get me started on the nonaction scenes in this series.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    snookeroo - Re: 3D

    by obidawsn

    They are releasing DotM on 3D Blu ray. It comes out in December. They released a single disc, bar bones edition in September to make a quick cash grab, but announced a 3D version with special features. Bay even said not to buy the single disc version if you wanted any bonus features. The release date looks to be Dec. 6 (just in time for the holidays :) )

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I didn't see #2 or #3. Is Starscream still around?

    by Royston Lodge

    Starscream's lack of personality and gravitas in the first one was one of the things that really annoyed me. They coulda written an entire trilogy that revolved entirely around the rivalry between Starscream and Megatron. Oh well...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:15 p.m. CST

    BAY-formers is NOT for geeks!!!

    by mcgillj

    Sorry.. but someone said "if you don't like Transformers.. what kind of GEEK are you?"... umm.. one with GOOD taste? Sorry.. I really REALLY wanted to like Dark of the Moon.. seriously.. I actually ENJOYED the first outing.. even the second held some promise.. they COULD have went the whole Omega Prime route (they *%)#%*) that up), 2 racist caricature bots.. a shot of Megan Fox's ASS (actually put about 20 MORE minutes of that in.. and it'd be OK). But.. no.. it was HORRID.. the third? was MORE of the second with Spock minus the 2 Jar Jar characters.. but like another poster said the FIRST movie did have 2-3 plots that really were, ultimately MEANINGLESS.. as much as I LIKED Duhammel and co. did we need the 30-45 minutes of SCREEN time with them? the parents? (they got WORSE from film to film, and I LOVE Kevin Dunn). The THIRD? you WASTE Turturro for TWO movies.. then you waste McDormand and Malkovich too? WTF? The third film has some great 3D (get ready for the DOUBLE dip BD disc).. but.. it also had about 20 go NOWHERE stories.. a female lead with a NICE ass but the personality of a fem-bot (and that's being GENEROUS). The best BITS I picked out where the ACTUAL geek shout outs by Nimoy as Sentinel Prime .. twisting Spock for his own evil means.. made me laugh out loud I think TWICE.. for a THREE hour movie? I LOVED Transformers.. as a CHILD.. that was a long loooong time ago.. The first film.. had some flaws.. but was kind of a FUN popcorn movie (far from great), the second was a TRAIN WRECK.. the third.. well less of a train wreck but still just.. meh. And now they want to put Statham in? WHY? Sorry.. the man of many DTV features? I'd say have an ENGAGING lead.. one who can ACT.. Statham can do the cold glare.. and he can sound TOUGH.. but.. can he REALLY kick a transformers ass? umm.. nope.. did you EVER see Godzilla vs. Bambi? same story. with more CGI there.. I say.. leave it at THREE.. its a decent enough number.. and changing casts after? it just seems like a desperate grab to go after diminishing returns.. are KIDS going to care that the guy who played Chev Chelios a couple times is the new guy in Transformers? HELL you could put Screech from Saved by the Bell and they'd still show up..

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 12:26 a.m. CST


    by funkerjunkie

    i thought the first was okay... but after 2 viewings i hated it. 2nd... was gawd awful and 3rd seemed a bit better but still it was awful. I don't know why I can't get into these movies. they just don't excite me whatsoever

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST

    How about Transformers: What happened when NASCAR and Pro Wrestling fucked.

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Just do a crazy Transformers + GI Joe + Godzilla crossover

    by lv_426

    Throw in some of Godzilla's pals like Mothra and King Ghidorah. It fits with the way that Bay seems to favor spectacle n' splosions over plot, character, and pacing with the Transformers films.

  • even remotely come close to the sheer awesomeness of MechXcalibuR.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I tried to watch the first one, but it was so bad it hurt

    by CuervoJones

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:16 a.m. CST


    by Relugus

    Pepsimus' fan movie based on Simon Furman's War Within, pisses on Bay's movies from a great height, and shows how Transformers should be done: Transformers The War Within: /watch?v=Kz9JBzogt3g&feature=related "The source material is not Shakespeare". Well, the cartoon was certainly shallow, but the Marvel comics certainly weren't. Budiansky's Shockwave and Simon Furman's Grimlock are fucking amazing, and anyone who prefers their cartoon counterparts (which deviated from the tech specs) is a moron. The Primus/Unicron backstory and how it led to the creation fo the Transformers is brilliant, it totally makes sense that they can transform, given the being they were created to fight contructed himself into a physical body from an asteroid, and thus developed transformation. Furman gave Murphy and DeSanto this advice on Transformers: approach the Transformers the same way you would human characters, don't write them as robots. Spielberg and Bay of course completely ignored this advice, they Hollywoodised the Transformers by making them either cute robots who make cute robot-y noises, or glorified battle mechs. Let me spell it out for people here; The Transformers are meant to be CHARACTERS. They are anthropomorphic, i.e they are pastiches of human characters. This is the genius of the TF concept, and the core reason for the franchise's enduring popularity. The characters. TF is all about the characters. Most science fiction depicts robots becoming somewhat sentient, whereas TF shows robots as totally sentient in a way which hadn't been done before. Its such bullshit to say, "the human characters are there because people can't relate to the Transformers". Of course people can relate to the Transformers, why the fuck do you think they are popular? Spielberg and his Hollywood suits are morons. The fact they stuffed the movies full of human characters tells you they did not get the whole sentient robots angle. Bumblebee not speaking is a Speilberg device to make Bumblebee into a nice "cute robot". TFs are not meant to be cute. Did Spielberg not noitce that human characters were minor in the cartoon and became almost non-existent in the comics? Many of the TF comics have no human characters at's that work, Steven? Its telling how the likes of Furman, Nick Roche, and others have been able to make the TF universe fascinating and deep, while Hollywood can only make dumb explodey shit. Fact is, you can do so much with Transformers, because the characters are so fucking varied, for example one of the Autobots, Nightbeat, is a Detective, for fucks's sake, can you imagine how cool that could be done? And how's about Mirage? An upper class snob who is unsure of the Autobot cause. Slag, a nasty anti-social thug who is nastier than most of the Decepticons. Sunstreaker, a sociopathic and vain asshole (in the Marvel comics he allowed humans to die because he didn't want to damage his paintwork). Why did Bay not use Runamuck and Runabout, who, unlike Skidz and Mudflap are actually funny? Instead he gives us the generic Dreads. Then there's Bay turning Optimus Prime into an asshole. Since when has Optimus Prime believed the ends justify the means? Optimus' refusal to sacrifice innocent lives and his reticence about killing is the core of his character. Optimus Prime's heroism is not in his "ass-kicking" but in his moral principle. This tells us alot about Bay; he thinks heroism and courage is measured by how many "baddies" you kill rather than any moral courage or decency. When one of Prime's closest friends is murdered in DotM, we see no reaction from Optimus, and he does not even give a shit about his own planet. In the comics, Megatron got ousted by Shockwave and steadily became more and more insane, in DoTM, Megs sits about like a hobo spouting exposition and is not all there, yet Starscream and Shockwave are happy to let him carry on leading? That highlights another problem with Bayformers; the Decepticons. They're designed to look more alien than the Autobots and in most cases don't even speak. That misses the whole point of these characters being "everymen" anthropomorphs. The Decepticons are as individualistic as the Autobots, and they are just as "human", too. Starscream is like that cowardly asshole who plots behind people's backs while kissing their asses, Swindle is the Halliburton scumbag war profiteer, Skywarp the incompetent thug, Soundwave the snitch who muckrakes dirt, Thundercracker the warrior who wonders if he really should be fighting alongside these assholes, manic depressive Dead End, and a host of others. They have to reboot, because Bay has fucked up the characters and the entire dynamics of the TF universe. 1. By making Optimus Prime into a murdering hard bastard, Bay has made Grimlock redundant for any sequel. 2. By wasting and killing off Shockwave, Bay has now denied the chance to have the fan's favourite Transformers villain (and most fans prefer Shockwave to Megatron, so suck it) take centre stage. I suggest rebooting and basing it on the much more adult tone and characterisation of the comics. Ideally, adapt War Within. Fact is, Spielberg showed he only cared about lining his own pockets by hiring a man who said Transformers "are a stupid toy". If Spielberg actually had some creative instinct he would not have hired Bay. If the director despises the source material, you shouldn't hire him, because he's bound to make a piece of shit. Thank goodness Spielberg did not get his hands on Harry Potter (cue Americanisation and insertion of Hollywood tropes everywhere). As for Bay's action sequences. When I can actually see what the fuck is going on, they are good, but the Galvatron Vs Ultra Magnus fight in the UK Transformers comic pisses on anything in Bay's movies. Why? Because we actually give a shit about the characters.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Comics > Cartoons > Bay movies

    by Relugus

    Thats the Transformers hierarchy. The comics will always rule.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST


    by lv_426

    What do you think of the Transformers: War for Cybertron game, if you've had a chance to play it that is?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 7:36 a.m. CST



    Sorry about the late reply. No my son hated it and wanted to leave half way through, he is also 7. He loved the first 2 though.

  • Being better then Revenge Of The Fallen is not a compliment at all. Almost everything is better then that movie, the comparison is pratically meaningless.

  • You must be one of those people who believe the rich are automatically better people just because they are rich. Money as proof of merit. You pass as a one elitist SOB, i'm affraid.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 8:45 a.m. CST

    RE: jediwuddayaknow

    by ZodNotGod

    Total crap. Not sure what to tell you. If there was a concensus on them, fine, but there's not, just a select few who frequent these messageboards and think they are the Gospel. The Gospel meaning the critics. When Transformers 3 is given a pass for offering up far less than the what hte prequels did, (or perhaps the same thing in some people's view) I'm perplexed. Makes no sense, I don't care about the previous established etc....TF 3 was terrible on nearly every level and so was part 2. I dug TF 1 lots. I get sick of people saying junk about the prequels that is hypocritical. Because most of it is said by the idiot critics out ot make a name for themselves, ironically, never saying anything original or heartfelt, but is ultimately just typical crybaby fanboy bitching... if you hate the prequels, all these many years later, you were never that big of a fan anyway. Hating Jedi/ewoks is the first sign. I could answer most of the questions about the Prequels anyway because it would seem a lot of people who saw them didn't pay attention. Love, Zod.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 8:47 a.m. CST


    by ZodNotGod

    I think he means Bay is offering a product that obviously many people are still interested in, depsite it being rancid, boring and a waste of effort to some of us.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST

    I do think its very damning of Bay's talent...

    by ZodNotGod

    that the cartoon series was infinitely better and more coherent storywise than his last two video games. On the other hand, its validation for the man when the movies, no matter how awful, make a ton of money so who cares at this point?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST

    RE: by dioxholsterc4 : the people here are not geeks

    by ZodNotGod


  • Oct. 18, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    The problem with the last two...

    by ZodNotGod

    Is that they bots have been marginalized. They are not hte center of the story. Shia was never the problem. Re-design the bots and their faces, you can't see any emotion going on with the over-designed look. Too busy. Different Director with some sense, scale, geography with action and a good editor. No more than 2 hours in length. Stop with pointless sub-plots that go nowhere.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    asimovlives, Zack Quinto (Young Spock) came out as gay.

    by ZodNotGod

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 9:01 a.m. CST

    RE: bantuwind

    by ZodNotGod

    My point exactly. I think we know why...Something to do with an axe to grind etc...

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 9:03 a.m. CST

    RE: tdh1138

    by ZodNotGod

    YES it is!

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Good for him.

  • Bayformers 1 was the movie which Bay could finally prove, onc and for all,that there is one genre or one franchise he actually belonged to. And he fucked up. Bayformers 1 is a terrible movie. Just terrible. All the crap that's in the two following movies is all in the first, only in slightly lesser quantities. Because by then Bay still had to tip toe a bit so not the screw the pooch to his producers bosses. It was when he was given free reign wiht the sequels that his true colous showed. But everything was foreshadowed in the first movie. Bayformers 1 is a terrible movie. Just because it's less terrible then the follow ups doesn't make it any good.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Transfourmers... nahh, doesn't sound too good!

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I never said the first film was good, I just liked it...

    by ZodNotGod

    Huge difference most geeks on here can't comprehend. Just because you like something doesn't make it good, but also, just because you dont like something doesn't make it worthless trash....

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Good point. It's like me with CASABLANCA, i don't like it much, but i know it's a great movie, it is a great movie, but it just never connected with me all that much.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by Breotan

    I'm glad you know what I think and believe when you make comments that show you clearly don't even pay attention to what I have actually written. In the interests of clarity (and to borrow from a cartoon film I rather like) let me try to be as monosyllabic as possible that you might comprehend. 1. Fans flock to Bay films and spend lots of cash. 2. Guys who fund films like to get more cash back than they gave. 3. Guys who fund films want Bay to make more films so fans will spend more cash on them. 4. Trolls on this site want seem to want art house films, not Bay films. 5. Guys who fund films care not what trolls on this site have to say. Is that clear enough for you, Asimovlives? What boggles my mind is how some of the posters on this forum can consider a very badly animated, contrived and formulaic 80s cartoon show to be in any way better than the Bay movies. Seriously, my mind is literally in a state of complete bogglement.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Somebody here is grumpy. You know what's the difference between the old cartoons and the Bay movies? The cartoons were made for children. The movies were made for retards. That's why people can be forgiving and even nostalgic about the old cartoons, they saw them when they were children and were made specifically for them, as children. Bay's movies are made with the idea that everybody that goes to a theater are retard. As such, yeah, it's perfectly resonably to understand why the cartoons can hold close to the hearts of many and incude happy nostalgia, but why the Bay's movies can induce nausea, revoltion and irritation. Was this simple enough for you to understand the mystery what boggles your mind so?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I think we've found the subtitle of the next Transformers -

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Transformers: Nausea, Revoltion and Irritation

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:03 p.m. CST

    The next Transformers subtitle -

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Transformers: Nausea Revoltion and Irritation

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Fear And Loathing In Transformers.

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Saw Transformers 3 at the cinema

    by bellwether

    Wasn't expecting much, killing time, how bad could it be? Big robot special effects movie, it's gotta be at least dumb fun. But no, it was impossibly fucking bad. Worst movie seen in the theatre in many years. Moon landing sequence sheer stupidity, written by morons for morons. After that I can't remember a damn thing that happened, it was just hours of random, meaningless carnage. Usually I can get something out of a movie - some appreciation of some aspect, no matter how small. But that banal, vacuous wankfest was a travesty of cinema. I swore right there and then I would never give Michael Bay another penny. It only encourages people to make shit like this.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST

    War for Cybertron

    by Relugus

    War for Cybertron I have not played, but what I have seen and know of it I like. Unlike Bay's movies its made with a love of the TF concept. Its clearly influenced by War Within (though I wish it was adpated directly from it) which is no bad thing as War Within is arguably the pinnacle of Transformers storytelling.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Great point Asimov...

    by ZodNotGod

    There are tons of movies that are considered great that I don't like, but you know what- I leave it there. Not a fan of "Sound of Music," or "Westside Story." I hate "Rebel without a Cause," and tons of others, but that's just me. I also hate Lord of the Rings...but that's just me. Good movies, not meant for biggie. As for the prequels, some hate them, (their loss) others like me, dig them, doesn't make them worthless trash as some want you to believe. Geeks on here NEED to know the difference. the same could be said for Transformers...I like the first one, didn't care for the last two...

  • dfg

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Next movie should be called TransFUCKmers.

    by AsimovLives

  • Oct. 24, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by Relugus

    Is Transformers made by someone who hates Transformers.