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3.8!! Basic Cable's WALKING DEAD Emerges As Sunday's Top Scripted Show On Any Channel!!

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"Walking Dead" beat everything except fooball Sunday night with a 3.8 rating in adults 18-49.

By contrast the special Sunday edition of Fox's "X Factor" only pulled a 3.4.

The next highest rated scripted series was "Desperate Housewives with a puny 2.7.

"Dead's" 3.8 beats the 3.6 "Jersey Shore" brought in last week or the 3.7 it hit the week before, making "Walking Dead" cable's top-rated non-football series on any night!

PREVIOUS POST:

Apparently tonight’s 90-minute “Walking Dead” season premiere was originally two hourlong episodes, the first written by now-fired series mastermind Frank Darabont and the second by Robert Kirkman, who co-created the “Walking Dead” comic book series.

The credits on tonight’s 90-minute installment appear on screen thusly:

Written by Ardeth Bey
Written by Robert Kiirkman
Directed by Ernest Dickerson
Gwyneth Horder-Payton

"Ardeth Bey" is apparently Frank Darabont’s pseudonym, a fake name supplied presumably to distance himself from the finished product. Type Ardeth Bey into the search box at IMDb and watch whose page comes up.

I’m told the first 16 minutes or so of tonight’s episode were cannibalized from what was supposed to be the original Darabont-scripted second-season premiere. The balance of tonight’s 90 minutes comes from what was originally the subsequent season-two episode Kirkman scripted.

I’m told also it was the now-truncated original second-season premiere, presumably directed by Horder-Payton from Darabont’s teleplay, that precipitated Darabont’s ouster.

If the production of the season premiere seems awfully early for AMC to start thinking about dismissing the Oscar-nominated writer-director who gave the channel by far its biggest hit, it may help to remember a Deadline Hollywood story that appeared a few days before AMC aired the first-season  finale. 

The Deadline story suggested Darabont was considering going forward in season two without a regular writing staff; word was he might instead work on future scripts with freelancers only.

But as spring rolled around, word came that there would be a second-season “Dead” writing staff. Kirkman, credited with the teleplay of the first-season “Vatos” episode, would continue to script episodes. Greg Mazzara, showrunner on Starz’ critically reviled TV version of “Crash,” was hired onto the “Dead” writing staff.

Around the time “Dead’s” second season went into production, and about a month before Darabont’s firing, Deadline interviewed Darabont. An exerpt:

DEADLINE: [I]t made headlines last November when you dumped your entire writing staff after finishing up Season One.
DARABONT: Let me just begin by stating the obvious: that it was all pretty overblown. It left the impression that I walked in one day and murdered 12 people. Would you like to know how many writers we were talking about? Two. My thought had been that they’d under-delivered, and a change was necessary. I had to do too much of it by myself last year, and that was only six episodes. This season, it’s 13 and we’ve hired a fantastic writing staff. We hired Glen Mazzara as our Number Two in the room. We consider him our head writer and he’s just a fantastic asset. We’ve also got three other staff writers in Scott Gimple [“FlashForward,” “Chase”], Evan Reilly from Rescue Me, and Angela Kang [“Terriers”]. Plus Executive Producer Robert Kirkman, who wrote the original comic book, is also writing for us.

From the Aug. 10 story in The Hollywood Reporter that appeared shortly after Darabont’s departure:

The show went into production on its second season in June. Sources say an early episode came in with footage that was not usable. The director had shot a successful first-season episode and was a mutually agreed-upon choice. Darabont was editing the episode in an effort to fix it but by then, an insider believes, AMC was looking for a pretext [for firing Darabont]. 

That director is presumably Horder-Payton, who directed last year’s third “Walking Dead” episode, “Tell It To The Frogs,” which reunited Rick with his long-lost wife Lori. Horder-Payton has directed 32 hours of episodic television since 2007, including installments of “Battlestar Galactica,” “The Shield,” “Fringe,” “Criminal Minds,” and “Sons of Anarchy.”

Dickerson, who directed quite a number of episodes of “Dexter” and “Treme,” helmed “Dead’s” fifth 2010 episode, “Wildfire,” which brought Rick and Lori to the steps of the Center For Disease Control. According to IMDb, Dickerson not only co-directed tonight’s “Dead” episode, he directed next Sunday’s (“Bloodletting”) and the one after that (“Save The Last One”).

I’m told Darabont was still showrunner on “Walking Dead” during the shooting of  "Save The Last One/".

Phil Abraham, who directed nine episodes of “Mad Men” but was not involved with “Walking Dead’s” first season, directed “Cherokee Rose,” which is now the fourth episode of “Dead’s” second season, according to IMDb.

Mazzara reportedly replaced Darabont as “Dead” showrunner on July 25.

The first 16 minutes gets tonight’s episode off to a terrific start. Rick Grimes says “Christ!” at about the 12-minute mark. as depicted in this promo:

The 90-minute premiere ends with a bang.

Original post:

Tomorrow’s long awaited second-season premiere of “The Walking Dead” may be the best of the series to date, loaded as it is with suspense, terror, violence, drama, and, above all, a level of gore that we don’t see often even in a hour of pay cable.

A couple of things happen that are destined to change things rather permanently for lawman Rick Grimes.

The first two episodes don't bring a prison, or a governor, or the return of Michael Rooker's one-handed racist Merle Dixon -- and viewers aren't likely to care.

Ironically, I think this may be the episode that got Frank Darabont fired, since two directors are credited. A key point of contention with AMC, allegedly, is the channel didn’t like the raw footage (or “dailies”) they were getting from a director Darabont hired.

Ttwo minutes and 13 seconds from tomorrow's premiere: 

9 p.m. Sunday. AMC.

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  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Cant Fucking Wait

    by benlinus

    really hope it lives up....

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    I had lowered my expectations after Darabont got fired...

    by Titus05

    but I'm hearing a lot of great things about the first few episodes...I hear there is one particularly gory scene which tests the limits of cable TV...hopefully episodes 3-13 will be good as well...that will be the true measuring stick of how the show will pare post-Darabont

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Here's hoping

    by JonJonB9

    it improves on the good potential it showed last season. The shakeup at the top doesn't fill me with confidence though.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:43 a.m. CST

    You can only do so much with zombies...

    by tangcameo

    ...so I'm hoping the drama deepens with the surviving group. Although it would be interesting for them to find, once in a long while, that a few of the zombies have either evolved intelligence or have retained knowledge from their host - just a tiny bit, not a lot.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Laurie Holden Is Kinda' Hot

    by Graphix67

    I would have talked her out of suicide as well! It's the end of the world afterall... look at the alternatives left in the group.

  • If I had a dollar every fucking time I saw that, I could afford airfare to the USA so I can watch the video.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:02 a.m. CST

    It may not be as good as Breaking Bad

    by Wookie_Weed

    But at least I have something to watch!

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Boooorrrrring

    by XJDavid

    I watched the first season. I didn't hate it, but I don't understand what the big deal is. It was boring as fuck. Why nothing about "American Horror Story"? That show has had more happen in 2 episodes than WD had in 6.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Just watched it elsewhere...

    by Wookie_Weed

    And I can see the characters (or one of them at least) are going to drive me fucking nuts. The surviving sister... wow, what a BITCH. The poor old guy gets chewed out for saving her, and the way the scene is done, we're meant to think she's right and the old guy is wrong. Or maybe the bitch is a hook -- to keep me watching to see if she eats her words (or someone eats her). But the bitch is really going to test my patience to keep watching.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:17 a.m. CST

    And jesus fucking christ, these fucking ads on the website!!!

    by Wookie_Weed

    One slip of the mouse, and I get barraged by Paranormal Activity 3 crap at full volume. Remind me to turn the volume off when I come here next time. Fuck.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST

    wookie_weed

    by Freddy

    Yeah these ads drive me fucking nuts. Like we actually meant to mouse over it because we're so fucking interested, we *want* it to expand and take over the whole goddamn page. Fucking advertising dicks. About the video error. If it makes you feel any better, I was just as pissed when the BBC site gave me the same "cannot be viewed in your location" shit when I was trying to check out Outcasts. Trying to keep their markets separate and spoon feed us what they fucking want to. Fucking sales dicks.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST

    this looks good but I'm still worried!

    by Professor_Bedlam

    I still think it was a huge mistake to fire Frank Darabont. He unlike most directors and produces have a true vision and talent to bring things to life! I guess We will see if this season is any good! It is sad when even before the second season begins it is already a make it or break it season after such an amazing first season!!! My faith in AMC is shaken after they dropped Rubicon and the way the killing ended, then the firing of Darabont makes me wonder what is going on there!

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Nervous but hopeful; also, AMERICAN HORROR STORY.

    by blackwood

    I hope this season works out. AMC's two best shows -- MAD MEN and BREAKING BAD -- are inexorably tied to their creators, and seeing how AMC's other series work out (or don't), it makes me nervous that Darabont has been ousted. WALKING DEAD needs someone with vision to shepherd it. And AMERICAN HORROR STORY is... compelling. Still a hot mess and fairly ludicrous, but also dark and mean. Lange continues to be great, and her daughter is fantastic. The show gets huge, huge points from me for ending the second episode with Connie Britton saying, "We're moving." My worry was that the show would just spin its wheels in kink and implied gore and never go forward -- but now, count me in for the season.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I don't mind the bitchy sister as much as the Brothers Douche

    by Mugato5150

    Every zombie movie without fail as some irrational, violent asshole who won't listen to anyone and has to be constantly dragged off of someone else. But then maybe that's just being realistic, since it would probably go down that way in real life. When the dad from Mallrats showed up, I knew he'd be that character. Is he going to show up again? Seems somewhat unlikely but then we're talking about a show where the main character immediately finds his family and best friend. Not that I'm complaining. I hate shows like that where the entire show is a guy looking for his lost family. I'm glad they solved that plot point, regardless of how far fetched. As for the gore, I can't think of very many theatrical zombie films that are gorier than this.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Wait... what ads?

    by gotilk

    Google noscript, guys. You still see ads, but they don't vomit audio and video in your face anymore. You're welcome.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Umm, it's on at 9:00!

    by martinh65

    At least here in Georgia! I actually live about 15 minutes from the sites that they filmed the first episode and final couple of episodes of last season.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    This is exciting

    by Randy

    Despite Herc doing his typical(Best yet)bullshit, cuz he actually thought ep 2 and 3 of Season 1 were better than the masterful pilot. I just love event shows like this, people watch this show in big groups and there's a lot of hype for it, I love being part of it.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 11:01 a.m. CST

    top 4 questions about the new season

    by Titus05

    1) will the racist hick Merle return? 2) will Morgan and his son return? 3) what about that other survivor who got infected (Jim?) and asked to be left on the side of the road under the tree? 4) what did Jenner whisper to Rick?

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Jenner whispered to Rick that his wife is pregnant

    by Mugato5150

    ...and it isn't his. He knew it from the blood test. Has to be.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    loaded as it is with suspense, terror, violence, drama...and gore

    by Xiphos_2

    So these episodes have what was missing entirely from the first season? Shit canning Darabont was a good idea then, right?

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Talking Dead - not until midnight?

    by Arch_Stanton

    Here I was, thinking that AMC was being clever with "Talking Dead", and then I realize they're showing the new ep of "Walking" TWICE first, then showing "Talking". What douche-nozzles. I know TD is for nerds, but hay-seuss! You'd have to be a super-ultra-mega-nerd to sit through two viewings of WD in a row.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Herc is always so optimistic.

    by Mugato5150

    Every episode of every show always could be the best ever!

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Andrea and Dale's relationship

    by deelzbub

    I understand the need to deviate from the storyline to "fill" time and such. What I don't like is completely changing the relationship dynamic of the characters. In the story, some of the characters disapprove of Dale and the sisters all living together in the RV. And once her sister dies, Andrea and Dale "become" a couple, surprisingly. It is a very telling premise of human nature making unexpected choices in desperate times. It looks like they are taking the safe way out, making her the stereotypical hard-nosed TV bitch. Disappointing.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST

    the whispered message was:

    by nolan bautista

    Darabont may not be here next season...:-(

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST

    The whispered message

    by thommcg

    Everyone is infected, they all turn when they die

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:15 p.m. CST

    The whispered message - part 2

    by thommcg

    Clipped my text for some reason - guess breaks aren't appreciated :( My alternative suggestion was Jenner says "I won't make to season 2"

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Therawbeats

    Was wondering if we could get a Breaking Bad withdrawal talkback?

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST

    The first season of TWD was given a pass by many...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    but hopefully that won't be the case this season. I think only a handful of talkbackers had the guts to forgo the hyped and criticized the show! I think TWD had some good executions but as a whole there was lots of scenes that that sucked! Plus some of the characters were awful and not relatable. I hope this season will be better!

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Great...but

    by skydemon

    As great as this show is, I'm really worried it's going to start to decline as we get past the Darabount episodes. If it happens, not only is it a damn shame for us fans, AMC has only themselves to blame for killing the best damn show anywhere, for no damn good reason I've heard of yet.

  • After the pilot, which was excellent, something became progressively off about the subsequent episodes, and the controversial finale (controversial since it "explained" the zombie virus) brought everything down. I will watch the second season, of course, but my anticipation level is rather low, which surprises me.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7 p.m. CST

    For the first half season, my expectations are high

    by Turingtestee

    I think it will equal the best of season one. What happens after the break, I dont know.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Prof. Pop-Cult I NEVER read the comics and don't intend too

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    but I agree about some of character's actions not making sense. Why would they try to give an explanation for the "virus" unless the series plans on 'searching out and finding a cure for the virus' as an ongoing storyline. If that happens you can expect every episode to end with the cure within reach, only to be stolen/lost/or miscalculated at the last minute. Something like that can drag on endlessly; like Lost and its maps and puzzles. I hope they don't go that route.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Laurie Holden Is Kinda' Hot- agreed

    by zom-bot.com

    it's really weird, she can turn looks on a dime. sometimes looks older and plain, sometimes a little too butch (even though i dug her cop look in silent hill) and then in this clip she looks the youngest and freshest i've seen her. very strange...but i admit she's appealing.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 8:24 p.m. CST

    They hardly "explained" the zombies.

    by Mugato5150

    They reached the CDC. Obviously the scientist was going to have some data but nothing was explained. I thought it was a nice looking scene.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    **GO RANGERS**

    by skydemon

    just sayin

  • My feeling is that they may need to do that in order for the show to have its own identity and for it to be a good series in its own right. I wonder if sticking strictly to depicting the major arcs throughout the comic series' run could be a detriment to the show. I love graphic novels (okay, "comic books") and scripted TV series, but can recognize that each entertainment format has to stand on its own creatively. As for the whole Frank Darabont matter, I'm actually not that concerned. Robert Kirkman is still on board as a producer, and the new showrunner has a decent resume and sounds competent and professional. It sounded like Darabont was experimenting with trying to do too many non-traditional TV production methods (such as using only freelance writers), which may have been driving up costs and delaying the production schedule.

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 11:32 p.m. CST

    This I will watch and discuss with coworkers on Monday

    by jupiterjim

    at the poultry processing plant

  • Oct. 15, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    The Series’ Best Episode Yet

    by Rinse

    i should hope so.. the first season wasn't exactly memorable television. for such a short run, there sure was a lot of bland filler.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Bring on Michonne!

    by CCon99

    Sadly, I get the feeling we'll be waiting for Season 3 for that, assuming they even go there now with the new show runner.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Michonne may be a difficult character to translate to the TV screen...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I'm not saying they shouldn't try to bring her to the series -- they should try to. It's just that her character could easily become a stock Buffy action-chick type if they don't think through it carefully and present her in as a realistic way as possible, making some changes to her. Otherwise, she could come off as a campy addition to the series.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 7:10 a.m. CST

    tallboy - agree with your Season 2 end preference

    by BubbaDestructo

    The problem is Kirkman was quoted as saying he felt that "The Moment" (you know what I'm talking about) between Rick and the Governor was a mistake, and he shouldn't have written that. Personally I feel it was the most brilliant part of the graphic novel - no one is safe - not even the main character. It may be hard to do subsequent scenes from an effects-standpoint, but boy, it would sure make for gripping television.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Is it worth watching for someone who doesn't care for Zombies?

    by obi_juan

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Jenner didn't whisper anything...

    by tangcameo

    ...that was just his tongue in Rick's ear.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:20 a.m. CST

    tangcameo

    by v1cious

    That's exactly what makes The Walking Dead. The zombies are just a backdrop for the characters.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Fingers crossed

    by Truxton Spangler

    This season will turn out well...that means no nursing home vatos, melodrama, and the like. Marita Covarrubias was hot.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The zombies are ALWAYS just a backdrop for the characters

    by Mugato5150

    This is hardly a new phenomenon. Zombies suck as actual villains. They're not charismatic like (most) vampires. They don't have any powers except the ability to stay alive unless you destroy the brain. There's no motivation or plan to thwart. There's no cathartic sense of revenge when the virgin girl finally takes out the monster at the end. Zombie movies have always really been disaster movies. They're a McGuffin like a tornado or earthquake or asteroid. They motivate the human characters and the only real villains are like the racist guy in Night of the Living Dead or the racist guy in....well fill in the blanks, it's usually a racist guy.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:26 a.m. CST

    I was at The Walking Dead panel@NYCC and...

    by Thanos0145

    concur with Herc about the gore. They showed the highway scene where the group is hiding underneath the cars. (NON-SPOILER) One survivor gets a real nasty wound, and two zombies get taken out in a way that you'd expect from an R rated flick, but not a TV show. The cast and crew were great and were signing autograph for the fans who went up to the stage. (They helped hold up The Avengers panel from starting.) Yes, Laurie Holden is HOT.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST

    without Darabont...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...will feel kinda dirty supporting this. Sad that whenever something becomes 'successful' every cockroach in the walls has to come out to claim their piece of the credit. This show's lives and thrives because of the imaginations of Kirkman and Darabont. Just like Norman Reedus said "we all came here to work for Frank"...well, I only took interest because of Frank. ...after this heavily Darabont influenced second season, I'm probably done.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST

    So, Walt vs Hank now, I guess, right?

    by PotSmokinAlien

    Oh wait. I thought Walking Dead kinda ran out of gas in the episode where everybody got all upset about the fact that one of the sisters got bitten. "Been there done that," is what I remember thinking. But who am I kidding, for some reason we get AMC at my house, so I'll check out the premiere. Not like I have a life or anything...

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Would anyone watch these characters without the zombies?

    by gumbyandpokey

    I wouldn't. I could care less about the awful love triangle storyline. Give me some effective horror and suspense and don't let the boring "human drama" get in the way.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Jenner whispered...

    by Rob D

    damn I hate those Kardashians too.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST

    the whispered message was:

    by nolan bautista

    theres no lame Brian Cox reference so far..i hope it lasts..

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST

    ^ooops^

    by nolan bautista

    it just happened!

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST

    is there an explanation as to why the zombies can ear and smell

    by crazybubba

    or is that just excepted at face value. Not trying to nit pick but I would just think reanimated corpses wouldn't have their senses other than their hunger. I have no problem with a willing sense of disbelief but sometimes storytellers try and explain stuff like that and sometimes they don't.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST

    hear^^^

    by crazybubba

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  • Oct. 16, 2011, 6:09 p.m. CST

    The Comic/American Horror Story

    by Chief_Red_Crow

    Here's the reason I'm optimistic about this season: Darabont was heavily involved in not only the Pilot, but EVERY episode of S1. And guess what? 80% of S1 wasn't very good. I mean, good production value, decent actors, and zombies, but the writing was shit, the plot looped back over itself twice, seemingly to save money on sets, and the characters were one dimensional, cliche, etc. Maybe, just maybe, AMC let Darabont go for a reason. I love The Mist and Shawshank as much as anyone, and I wish that he could have stayed on and made the show a success, but I've got a wait-and-see attitude. Also, I really hope they don't feel limited by the comic which, other than it's high concept (going deep into the zombie apocalypse over a loooong period) has a lot of the same weaknesses of the show. Kirkman has a tin ear for dialogue, and many of his characters were so shallow that I often had difficulty telling many of the supporting cast apart (blame also falls on the artist in this case, but TWD's black and white art is pretty terrific). Let the show be it's own thing. And finally, American Horror Story is so bad it's good. I mean, over-the-top, like a dump truck of horror, but stylish and with some really good actors hamming it up brilliantly (except for Connie Britton, who is just a plain good actress). The editing of the pilot was MTV garbage, but the camera chilled out enough in Ep 2 that I'm hooked for the whole season. It's like John Waters scripting The Shining, but directed by Michael Bay.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 6:13 p.m. CST

    I was going to ask crazybubba's point

    by Mugato5150

    But I figured it'd be too much typing. So yeah, how can the zombies hear and smell with only a brain stem? They went through the trouble of creating the D model of the zombie brain but if your zombie mythology doesn't make any sense, don't try to explain it. It's called suspension of disbelief. If we're asked to believe that a space ship can move faster than light then we'll believe it for the purpose of the story. But then don't try to explain it with science and shit.

  • Instead of Tyresse...we get T-Dawg??? Little things like this prove that Frank doesn't get the book. I'm glad that they fired him. Now bring in Brian Cox.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Oh boy more plot holes.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Really T-Dog is the most useless character and thats saying alot. How many times is his fat ass going to get hurt? And how did all those zombies suddenly appear outta nowhere? Did the old dude need the binoculars considering the zombies were mere feet away from the RV? Lame. And the zombie sure can manuever well; entering the RV and walking down the hills. Plus, tough bitch didn't have the strength to keep one zombie opening the door? Aren't the zombies supposed to be weak? Dale rules though! Glad he's on the show.

  • Already with the god damn nitpicking? I have NEVER seen a show, that has been nitpicked to death more then this. Reading your post, I am now dumber... thanks alot. Do us all a favor, and run really fast into a knife... you cocksucker

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I just want to know

    by DougMcKenzie

    When Lennie James and his kid are coming back. He makes everything he is in better. That character was not in the graphic novel, so, I have no idea what is going to happen with him.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:43 p.m. CST

    by songfighter

    I actually might not have considered giving the second season a chance if Darabont hadn't been fired. The first season was barely good enough to watch, especially considering the limited amount of material they had to come up with. I really hoping things improve from here on out.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    yes, they were in the graphic novel...

    by Nick

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Oops, I didn't mean Dale. I meant Darryl!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Dale is the worthless old coot thats taken upon himself to keep someone firearm as if he's badass or something. Laura should've kick him in the balls!

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Yeah, bring Lennie back.

    by Truxton Spangler

    He helped to make Jericho watchable, though he couldn't do anything about the Prisoner remake.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:01 p.m. CST

    natalieportmansyummyafterbirth

    by boyalien

    you are quite easily the most annoying TB'er in the room.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:05 p.m. CST

    boyalien... glad to be of service

    by Nick

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Don't know why people are upset about Darabont being gone...

    by Mr. Giant

    Yeah, he is a great director and has made some AMAZING movies. You can't discount that. But his furst season on the show as showrunner wasn't very good. His episode was, but after that? The stereotype hillbilly crazy racists? A black guy named T-DOG? The Vatos shit? And that entire boring last episode! There was a whole lot of dull-ass filler in those eps, and a bunch of uninteresting characters. I'm hoping this season gets on track. You could see the show could be really good, it just wasn't coming together.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Yup, natalieportmansyummyafterbirth is this site...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    premiere dipshit!

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST

    The zombie commericals is starting to annoyed!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Its also making this series seem almost irrelevant and stupid. Not that TWD has any problems in that dept.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST

    wow, Hellraiser is now nitpicking the comercials

    by Nick

    seriously jagoff... run head first into that knife..

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    A Southern Baptist church would NOT have a massive crucifix.

    by MisterManReturns

    Nope. Baptists don't put Christ on the cross.....

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Yes, these damn commercials are annoying...

    by MisterManReturns

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Boring so far....

    by Texbear2000

    And too many damn commericals!

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:21 p.m. CST

    More triangle BS! Hopefully that shit will end real soon!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    <eom>

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Errrrrrrr

    by MisterManReturns

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:29 p.m. CST

    They held that shot too long.

    by MisterManReturns

    And this preview is giving away WAY too much.

  • ... neutering the horror with schmaltz.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Pretty stupid to let the kid go with them not once but TWICE!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    A world infested by zombies and you let a kid tagalong looking for another kid lost in a worlkd infested by zombies? Dumb, dumb, dumb! BTW, I thought the deer scene was just silly. If it had ended with the kid giving it a pat, I would have called it shark jumping. Luckily thtat wasn't the case.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST

    by Texbear2000

    So i guess we will get to meet "the others" next week?

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:35 p.m. CST

    the comic is pretty devoid of humor, but it works in that medium.

    by dahveed1972

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Well the premiere wasn't that exciting. Kinda boring really.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    An hour and half and the best part was Darryl saving T-Dog ass and Laura telling old dude to mind his business and don't lay the guilt trip on her. She was right as it was old dude who chose to save her when she didn't want it. The rest was just walking in the woods. Seriously did everyone needed to go just for that? I hope episode 2 is better.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Amy Smart's mom is a real bitch

    by Mugato5150

    yelling at the old guy for saving her life. Besides Short Round and maybe the sheriff, there aren't many likable characters at all actually.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Darabount is a talented man...

    by Hipshot

    And I admire the fact that he wanted to hire freelancers. Damn it, that's the way Hollywood was when I was doing most of my writing for television. Sigh. But I'm not sentimental about him, and he got on my last nerve with "Green Mile." Bye bye.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10 p.m. CST

    SNOOOOOZEFEST

    by warsinthesun

    Actually, the chick yelling at the old guy for saving her life raised the pulse of the show a little, the rest being really fucking lame. Where was the conflict? Why did the hick guy go along with the search so easily? Seemed out of character. And the end was fucking ridiculous. Piss poor. Piss poor.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Seems like everyone's in cunt mode.

    by MisterManReturns

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:14 p.m. CST

    This show might be trouble if this is the best they can do.

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Now I'm NOT saying TWD is DOA because this was only the 2nd season premiere. Still if they can't make more than a couple of characters interesting than maybe, just maybe its time to initiate the "Anyone Can Die" rule. T-Dog, Shane, Lori(sheriff wife), Carol(abused woman), the kids, and Dale(old coot) are on life support for me!

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:32 p.m. CST

    That kid was fucking annoying...

    by SuperSaiyan2112

    I actually thought that this was the worst episode of the series, with the exception of the first half of the episodes. The gore level wasn't even that crazy like the review claimed...the characters are getting boring fast...AND FOR FUCKS SAKE. KILL OFF T-DOG ALREADY. HE'S USELESS!!!

  • But hey, its cool. TWD will be gone at the end of this season and you cunts can move on to the next film or series that you find to be piss poor when in reality its actually one of the most well received by both critics and fans and is well on its way to cult status. And the suits at AMC can take all the money they use on TWD and throw it at Mad Men to keep that series on the tube for another three or four seasons for the half dozen or so people who actually watch it.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Kirkman standing up for Darabont?

    by knick_knick

    I've not heard/read any comments by Kirkman about Darabonts firing. Did he agree? Disagree? And if so, why not fight for him to stay? Kirkman does 'own' the show doesn't he?

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:46 p.m. CST

    This show is so "meh" and it shouldn't be.

    by Wolfman Nards

    I have nothing to add that hasn't been said already about it, but seriously? When you're killing zombies up close with sharp objects, cover your fucking mouths.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Hollywoodhellraiser

    by Wolfman Nards

    i agree. I don't give a shit about most of these characters at all.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Kirkman standing up for Darabont?

    by mcgowanleg

    Kirkman has said numerous times that the show's been awesome since Darabont left.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Great premiere

    by D.Vader

    Lots of great zombie gore and some really nice tension.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    elgato72

    by warsinthesun

    I'm not sure what you're on about. I thought the first season was EXCELLENT. I'm sure most here would agree. Are you defending the quality of the premiere episode? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:04 p.m. CST

    When Fred Piles Corpses On Ethel

    by Hercules

    Patton Oswalt is one funny son of a bitch.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:10 p.m. CST

    They're asking some of my questions on "Talking Dead"

    by MisterManReturns

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:12 p.m. CST

    so, so, so bad... this is a disgrace, shoot it in the head

    by altoandando

    as others have mentioned, this was an utter disaster. It could have been just so, so, so much better. I hope we can get a petition going to put this thing out of its misery, because it's just embarrassing. Some lowlights: • the senseless exposition monologue solemnly intoned to a walkie talkie as if it were an answering machine •the stupidity of a "herd" appearing just meters away from them as they observed through scopes and binoculars • the endless herd scene itself full of whimpering and pained soulful glances • easily a dozen violations of the show's established rules within the first 15 minutes • when Dale and the creepy blonde went at it, multiple shots to Rick giving his best "AMC DOES DRAMA, BITCH" look • the awful, whispering church babble scene from the crew cut widow that lasted like 5 minutes • the stupid "goodbye... take care" hug, kiss, "see you later... OK be careful... give me a hug..." scene when they decided to split up • the ongoing drama queenery of the shotgun love triangle loser • the idiocy of bringing everyone along on a trek to find the girl in the first place • the laugh-out-loud bad scene with everyone crowding around a tent and the widow saying "Sweetie, if you're in there talk to me" like ten times • the lack of logic of church bells timed to go off every few minutes • the Incessant. F****. Whining. • the dumb monologue that Dale gave on the roof • Rick's insanely stupid monologue to the statue, easily the very, very worst of the series ("Any sign will do!"), babbling away while he left his kid and love rival outside • the heinously cheesy and unintentionally hilarious "Yearling" ending with the buck sitting still as the kid walked up ready to kiss it (what kind of idiot father would allow that anyway?) and the single bullet perfectly piercing the animal and passing through • the overall boringness of it all ____ The good parts: • when everyone completely STFU • some eye socket stuff • a kill or two • the trailer zombie What a waste... of money, time, expectation, talent, everything. Everyone connected to this is going to be tainted for a while to come.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST

    enjoyed the premiere

    by Thomas

    too much in the monologue department, but other than that I thought it was solid. Other than the excellent first 20 minutes, I thought there was good character development bits and some good zombie killin' too. Better than 5 out of 6 episodes last season.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I don't get the bitchin - I thought tonight's ep rocked!

    by slayme

    a great season opener - badass, tense, dramatic, and just all around awesome. loved it.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST

    If you say this was an "utter disaster"...

    by D.Vader

    I gotta say, that sounds completely idiotic. Everything must be an overblown hyperbolic overreaction to you.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Strange ...

    by Jeff England

    I thought they were all supposed to avoid blood contamination? They don't seem to have any concern cutting open zombies up in this episode, nor T-Dog getting sliced open and then pulling the freshly killed zombie on top of him to hide.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    blood contamination

    by Thomas

    has it been explicitly stated that they need to avoid blood contamination? or have they just done it as a precaution?

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    HGTV announces zombie-themed home renovation show!!!!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    The Caulking Dead

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:19 p.m. CST

    AICN turned into an on-the-rag bitchfest, years ago.

    by MisterManReturns

    I just try to wade through it. It was a good episode. Many questions, granted (being asked on this talk show thing), but overall, I enjoyed it.

  • Damn. Was hopin for a zombie splatterin, action packed opener! Sounds like most feel it's more like a slower-talking episode of Gilmore Girls. <p> "Christ" is an understatment! Oh well, watch it tomorrow when I'm sober.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I think the avoidance of blood was just a precaution

    by D.Vader

    If they strictly adhere to something like that, we'd never get any zombie gore.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:23 p.m. CST

    it was an utter disaster in terms of a piece of televised fiction

    by altoandando

    and if you call a turn of phrase "completely idiotic," then you're not one to talk about overblown hyperbole. it was just a really, really crappy show where millions of dollars were spent, expectations were high that we'd get some good zombie fiction, talented people had a lot to work with, but we just got a flaming turd with a bunch of pained, "dramatic" looks, monologues to a wooden statue (easily the best character in the episode) and a bunch of whining, complaining losers impossible to give a sh*t about except to hope they get munched stat. glad some folks enjoyed it – I'm jealous really. reviews around the net seem about 75% negative.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Alto:don

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Overblown hyperbole like that *is* idiotic

    by D.Vader

    The phrase "utter disaster" should only be used for utter disasters.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST

    "Reviews around the net"?????

    by MisterManReturns

    More douche bags?

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Did the asian guy have any lines tonight?

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    I don't remember...

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    alto, was this the first episode of TWD you've seen?

    by D.Vader

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    jae, that was one of easily a dozen rules that got "forgotten"

    by altoandando

    it's what happen when you go through a body count of writers, producers, and directors higher than the end of the Godfather the end product plays like some AMC executive just kept coming in, pounding the table, and shouting "I don't care about the rules, JUST MAKE IT DRAMATIC AND ADD MORE PAINED F***ING LOOKS AND MONOLOGUES OR YOU'RE FIRED, DAMMIT."

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Alto, continued

    by D.Vader

    Because your reactions sound like they come from one who hasn't seen anything other than tonight's combined episode(s)?

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:31 p.m. CST

    . "Darabont" = "Voldemort"

    by Hercules

    Chris Hardwick and Robert Kirkman are afraid to speak his name.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Every review I read from around the net...

    by D.Vader

    Was positive.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:33 p.m. CST

    actually vader, I've been there since the beginning. you?

    by altoandando

    I eagerly awaited the first season after following on here during the year leading up to it, was mildly impressed at first, and thought it got incredibly mediocre and cheesy – specifically around the episode where the Mexicans were hiding elderly people. I was hoping for some kind of turn around, but if you've been following the story of this – have you? – there was a LOT of reason to be concerned. As Herc stated, this episode is a patchwork Frankensteined out of arguments, bruised egos, corporate decisions, hurt feelings, fired writers, and at least a dozen different cooks. If you liked it, then hey, like I said – I'm jealous. It must feel fresh for someone who hasn't really seen zombie stuff done well before.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Yes, Alto. And I rewatched the series on Blu today

    by D.Vader

    I asked because of your criticism regarding Rick talking into the walkie at the beginning of the show. I figured if you had watched, you would understand why he was doing it and would not think it "senseless". If you didn't like it, that's okay. Its too bad, really. I just don't agree with hyperbole like that. It definitely wasn't a disaster. And the episode with the gangbangers and old people is considered the worst of last season. And it was written by Kirkman himself, for what its worth. And yes, I have followed the behind the scenes drama (which makes this even more impressive that its NOT an utter disaster), and yes I've seen many zombie movies, for the record.

  • Anyone who could be described as a zombie film enthusiast has a good chance at not liking this show. The ratings from the first season seem to prove, however, that it appeals more to the "casual" zombie fan. The Walking Dead is like the Wii of the zombie genre.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    for those clutching their pearls over using the term "utter disaster"

    by altoandando

    why don't you have some words with Beaks, too. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45293 it's a commonly used phrase that people who put high hopes in the art of TV shows and films feel when the people making them fail completely. it also applies to Torchwood and plenty of other crap that came out this year. sorry your feelings got hurt, especially if this is your seminal cherry-popping zombie moment for some of you versions. I can promise you that "it gets better."

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Oy, don't bring him up

    by D.Vader

    I've had enough "real words" with Beaks, and I don't care to engage with him ever again. And ease off on the condescending tone. This is a cordial disagreement, not a pissing match.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Just watched it. Good episode! Hater's gonna hate.

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    I was gonna say that I don't understand all the incessant whining, but then I remembered where I'm posting. ;) I mean, if you feel it sucks so much - why watch it? I don't care much for Doctor Who, but I don't troll the talkbacks saying how much it sucks, either. 'utter disaster'? Please. Hyperbole much? (and I'm not flaming you aldo, or anyone else who didn't care for it, just using that as an example.) Ironically, I really don't care what other's think - I'm in for the long haul. What are people expecting? For Ving Rhames to pop out of the tent and start popping off folks? I like the tension. I like the fact that we don't see people getting chowed down on every two seconds. I don't want to see this turned into the 'Dawn' remake. I will say it had it's flaws (didn't we establish that the Z's track by sense of smell?) but I like it so far. Starting to really like Darryl, and the guy who plays Dale is spot on in every episode. Give it a chance people. I know we have high expectations, but most shows take a season (or 3) to get the writing staff comfortable - and they just rolled over the whole staff. Star Trek: TNG didn't hit its stride until seasons 3-4. Let's see what happens over the next 2 weeks.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Tactics! Tactics!

    by Roger Moon

    Poor strategic thinking in crucial situations. Lack of contingency plans. Incompetent management of transportation. Inability to anticipate.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:45 p.m. CST

    'Edit' button. Every other site on the Internet has one.

    by Joaquin_Ondamoon

    *sigh*

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:49 p.m. CST

    joaquin

    by Thomas

    I don't think the zombies "track" by sense of smell at all. I think all that the scene in the first season was showing was that you look and smell and act like a zombie, then zombies won't pay you any mind.

  • obviously it's because you don't WANT it to suck... having high or even moderate hopes that it won't makes it even worse when it does. it's also what makes folks watch train wrecks. human nature.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:55 p.m. CST

    It's just too dull

    by gumbyandpokey

    The love triangle, boring monologues, walks in the woods, irritating kid...the pacing is just too deliberate/slow.

  • Oct. 16, 2011, 11:59 p.m. CST

    vader, you're right, I overreacted...

    by altoandando

    ...and an "edit" button would be nice. It was just a visceral reaction to what I thought was a real flub. I understand who he is talking to, and like the wooden statue speech, he is just working through his "feelings" and doesn't even know if he's being heard. It just felt cheesy and set the tone. I mean, watch the clip above, those pained looks they give during the monologue... I can see why it wouldn't bother others, but it just felt like an example of how wrong they're getting it to me. As Naggers said, it's the kind of show where people who maybe weren't into zombies too much before might get into it, because there a lot of soulful glances and people talk about their feelings a lot. I just feel like it could've been a lot better and it's a shame to see it go down like this. Maybe it'll get better after all the Darabont drama and emotions clear and a smaller group takes over, and maybe that's why this ep had so much heartfelt gut spilling and "sharing" in it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, midnight CST

    Maybe it'll get better when they write better scripts.

    by Roger Moon

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:01 a.m. CST

    All the women look like they smell like cigarette butts

    by gumbyandpokey

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:02 a.m. CST

    The Phantom was great on Boardwalk Empire tonight

    by gumbyandpokey

    Could watch a whole show based on his character...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:11 a.m. CST

    You have to expect more from your officers

    by Roger Moon

    Two highly trained guys, one even remarked on his training in this very episode, you'd think these guys would know how to approach an interstate run tactically.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:17 a.m. CST

    quasi-suspense quasi-shocking quasi-profound...

    by MST3KPIMP

    how telegraphed can this crap get? years from now none of you will admit how much you loved this mediocrity.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Want to Like it

    by TheRevenge

    I really want to like this show. I wanted to ever since the kick-ass premiere ep. But it just keeps going downhill for me. I don't mind the lack of zombies that some people complain about. I don't mind the slow pacing that is obviously intended to be there to build tension (and sometimes does just that). I don't mind any of the usual gripes. But, man, the characters are unlikeable and their motivations are stupid. The things they do are just. plain. stupid. From the idiotic kid who does what she shouldn't do to the idiotic adults who follow her. But I would normally forgive that. I'd be an apologist and say "hey, people do crazy things at the end of the world. How do we know what we'd do". BUT... The characters are soooo unlikeable. FUCK, they are such annoying people. I don't care if it is the end of the world, I'd go it alone. I wouldn't want to be with them. It makes it hard to root for a show when the characters are terrible and they do stupid things. Forget the zombies (it takes more than putting something I dig in a show to make it good), this show's problem is that the characters suck.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Have to agree with some of the criticism, plus...

    by JeffTHX

    ...I was really put off by the poorly mixed audio and overly prominent sound effects work. Dialogue didn't seem to match the environment in most of the outdoor scenes, and the sounds during the zombie kills was cartoonish. This might be forgivable if other parts of the show had a similar cartoonish feel, but there's a bit too much reliance on the "squish" sound effect button. <r><r> Moving on to the cinematography-- The image seemed soft (I watch AMC HD from DirecTV on a 106" screen from an ISF-calibrated 1080p projector). Additionally, the timing of sunlight and shadow to the on-screen events kept confusing me because they weren't consistent. (is it day, dusk, dawn, etc??) <r><r> These seem like nitpicks, but I find that during movies/TV in my home theater, if I'm not wrapped up in the story and the action on-screen, I start to wander and think about audio/video quality. All of the sudden I'm not thinking about the show--I'm wondering why the foley and ADR work is so poor. They're only nitpicks if the rest of the show forces you to dig to find flaws. In this case, there was so little to hold my attention within the show that I started to get distracted by the technical stuff. That's not nitpicking--that's a direct result of not having much to watch to keep my mind engaged with the story. To contrast, this never happened when I watched Breaking Bad (ever!). I also watched Dexter and Boardwalk Empire in the theater tonight, and I couldn't tell you anything about the image/sound for those shows because I was interested in what was happening on-screen. <r><r> I'd love to say that this episode lived up to my expectations, but it felt like they needed to get their money's worth out of the highway set, so a lot of filler content was shot there. I'm hoping for better things this season. I liked the first season. I understand the need for set pieces to create conflict and suspense within the story, but right now I don't understand what is driving this group of people, why I should care, and why this set of circumstances was chosen to open such a highly anticipated season. Compare the action and individual elements of this show with the scenes in "Guts" from S.1 that give the episode its title, and it's clear that the S.2 premiere was (among other things) fairly dull. <r><r> For what it's worth, I'm a pretty regular reader on this site, but I rarely post. I just thought I'd share some thoughts that put some insight behind the complaining while avoiding references to Brian Cox. Thanks for reading (if you did).

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Stupid characters

    by TheRevenge

    I'm sorry, but everyone is stupid and makes stupid decisions. Constantly. And many are out of stereotype 101 class. The little girl really doesn't fucking listen and runs the fuck off like that? Puh-lease. The "hard as nails" blonde is so insufferable. She's so tough, yet she has nearly been killed a dozen times and cries the rest of the time. The abused wife. Holy FUCK is she annoying. All she did last season was whine (and submit to the stereotype that was her husband...fuck you, Hollywood, for showing all southerners as racists or abusers)...and now all she's done is whine again. And that crybaby monologue to the cross? Oh, fuck, was that amateur and lame. T-Dawg. Useless. Love triangle. Stupid and useless. The kids. Put in there to add tension because America is so child-obsessed that it was figured that would get parents everywhere crying and sitting on the edge of their seats whenever a child was in danger. Instead, both the kids are nothing but MaGuffins to keep the characters wandering around. Did the Asian kid even talk this episode? He's the best character. The stupid scene outside that tent, with dumb broad crying "are you in there"? If your kid is that stupid, lady, she probably deserves to be zombie food. Laurie, the sheriff's wife. She does a lot of bitching at everyone and has two modes: Bitchy and Pushy. Why do these two men even want to be with her anyway? At least that made the racist's brother a little more 3D than last season. Who'd have thunk it? Hey Walking Dead Writers, MAKE YOUR CHARACTERS LIKABLE!! Right now, they blow.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:51 a.m. CST

    bacon_aesthetic

    by Xiphos_2

    they are two rural sheriff's deputies from Georgia just how well trained do you think they are? from my experience the training of those type of LEO isn't all that great. BTW what highway "tactics" are there for a convoy of civilians trying to out run the apocalypse on a car choked roadway? especially when a mobile herd of the dead can just pop up out of nowhere. Even the "well trained" cop using binos and a scoped rifle didn't see or hear the slow moving herd approaching? That's some fine training on display and a whole lot of bad writing and plotting.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:53 a.m. CST

    And fuck the praise for ratings.

    by TheRevenge

    Isn't this the same site where people say all the time that ratings don't equal quality? Are we not the fans of "Firefly" and tons of other shows that didn't draw big ratings? Just having ratings doesn't mean shit. So for you assholes slagging "MAD MEN" and praising this mediocrity because of viewership, just know "MAD MEN" is an amazingly written, acted, produced show. If you want to make the stupid "Ratings" argument, I'll point out that "Transformers 2" outgrossed "The Hurt Locker". So, tons of people tune in to see "The Walking Dead'. The writing is still mediocre. And tons of people tune in for all of the "CSI" shows, and "Jersey Shore" every week, too. And "Home Improvement" was on for eight years.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST

    jeffthx: right on about the sound effects

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    During the zombie kills in the church the squish/splat sound effects were taking me out of the scene.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1 a.m. CST

    Georgia Cops

    by TheRevenge

    Well, a family member is a sheriff's deputy in Georgia and he was on "COPS" twice, is an expert marksman, and is pretty bad-ass. What, you think Georgia is all dirt roads and hillbillies who only deal in domestic abuse cases when a woman ain't doin' her cookin' like she done been told? Why, you must be a writer for "The Walking Dead". ;) You'd be surprised the training that Sheriff's deputies in the south have. But I don't think your point about the highway shit was wrong.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST

    the ads absoluteluy

    by Adam13

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:14 a.m. CST

    A whole lot of writing there about

    by Steve

    Darabont getting fired, but not actually explaining anything!!! There was zero information in that!!!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    You guys complain, but it could've been much worse...

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    In Darabont's version of the premiere, the characters were hiding under the cars whimpering and staring at each other FOR THE ENTIRE EPISODE.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Good God, the ads!!

    by Adam13

    I know it's AMC, but the amount of advertising was mind-boggling. I think at one point 6 minutes of commercials were followed by 3 or 4 minutes of show. Even by AMC's amazingly low standards of audience respect, the ads made the ep almost unwatchable. Sucked the tension and rhythm right out of it. Which was a real problem as the episode really wasn't that powerful, for a season premiere. Yeah, I know, I can record it, but it just shows such contempt for the viewers.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST

    too bad herc didnt do a be talkback this week

    by john

    cuz it just seems that the people who say nothing ever happens on that show...just moved to this thread stoopid bastards

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Here's the problem Therevenge no I wouldn't be suprised

    by Xiphos_2

    Since I live in the south, most recently in the Jacksonville NC area. As a matter of fact I use live around where the show was supposed to take place in Georgia. Also I have traveled all over the south for work and pleasure so I think I understand the level of training rural sheriffs deputys receive. Sure its gotten better, for some, when they took the Gooberments anti-terror duckets but the majority aren't exactly trained to the level of say the NYPD or LASO or hell even the shit hole that is Atlanta. So please, I'm asking you politely, stop with your "hillbilly" straw man argument it holds no water with me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:26 a.m. CST

    xiphos_2 - and a whole lot of bad writing and plotting.

    by Roger Moon

    Yes, my point exactly. And as therevenge pointed out, even though these guys are from a smaller department it would still be realistic to expect them to be well trained. I'm sure there are some Cleetus motherfuckers here and there on forces like that, but by and large these dudes are more than capable. Far too many shows and movies paint southern cops as goobers, and that's just not the case. This show doesn't do that per say, but it sure makes the two officers look dopey. They should be smarter than the way they plan their moves. It's just bad writing all around.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Annoying sound effect.

    by Skellington216

    What the hell was with that sound effect going off every 5 seconds? Sounded like they were perpetually surrounded by rattlesnakes. I spent most of this ep annoyed with stupid characters, and the rest laughing at bad writing. I think this show is coming off the dvr.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:31 a.m. CST

    The South

    by TheRevenge

    I keep thinking the writers of this show have never been to the South. Or even Atlanta. I loved in the first season, when we find out that the only survivors are all racists and rednecks and wife-beaters. "Because, hey, that's Georgia, right?" says the hipster douche from UCLA film school who writes in Hollywood. My favorite part was, after the sheriff beat up the wife-beater, another redneck (now thankfully dead) criticized him and screamed: "That's THEIR marriage! He had no right!" Um. Yeah. Because I was raised (in Atlanta, btw) that you just ignore wife-beaters and "mind yer own bidnezz". Um. No, Any self-respecting man (southern or otherwise) would have beaten that fuckwad up, as well. And no one I have ever known woulda played the hillbilly "Mind yer own bidnezz" game as shown on the show. I'm excited in Season 2 to see if they come across a ragtag team of Eskimo with Harpoons who have survived the zombie onslaught. They've crammed every other stereotype into the show.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:35 a.m. CST

    The Cops

    by TheRevenge

    If we'll think back to the premiere episode last year, those cops were shown as pretty bad ass before the Zombie Apocalypse. This is just more bullshit writing. For one, the writers obviously know nothing about actual cops. For another, they obviously don't know anything about the south. They probably think all cops ride horses and it's one big "Dukes of Hazzard" episode from day-to-day. I'm amazed that they didn't write that all the roads are unpaved, too.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    "Straw Man" is the new black

    by TheRevenge

    People just toss out that stupid, asinine phrase without even bothering to know what it means. How lame and overused can you get?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I'm From Georgia

    by the1980mutant

    I Agree with an earlier point.The cops down here do not play. Random DUI/drug stops a plenty. They are not too nice either. That being said, not everyone is a hick down here, but there are plenty around. One of the girls I work with at my restaurant was actually in the episode "Guts" - was the zombie that was shot in the head in the dept store. She said Frank was great to work with and was sad to see him go - So am I. Tonight's episode did drag - hope they pick it up some.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:45 a.m. CST

    I dug the episode.

    by blackwood

    The writing isn't much better that the worst of last year. I honestly don't think Kirkman is that great. He's okay. His dialogue all sounds like speech bubbles. It doesn't work. It seems maudlin and overblown all the time. Things that are great: zombie effects, tension, Daryl. Seriously, Daryl is my favourite character right now. He's the only one I find interesting and want to know more about. I loved the herd scene, and I loved the of the episode. Things that are eh: The dialogue. It's just... eh. It lacks efficiency and punch. A lot of the characters are really annoying. Aside from Daryl, who is great. I want the kids gone, the battered wife gone, the blonde, T-Dawg gone, sheriff wife gone. These characters filled a purpose and their new purpose should be making us believe something is at stake in each subsequent episode by dying shockingly and horribly. Tonight's episode -- I can't imagine it has lasting consequences. That would be too... bleak? I guess? For the apocalypse? People should die -- people who've had lots of screen time, because that's the only way it feels real. Except Daryl, he should live. I'm in for the season. Hope the writing gets better and consequence happens. I want shocking finality for some of these characters -- right now it feels like none of this 'means'.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Please get better, please...

    by Boxcutter

    64 mins without commercials. Cool opening 15 minutes, after the iffy opening monologue into the walkie talkie, with Andrew's Southern accent slipping a bit...and then a couple of Lost walkabouts, some great make-up effects and cartoon kills and more monologues. The set pieces are effective - probably because they're largely wordless as someone else pointed out - but this is essentially a road movie with zombies and soap-level writing and acting for the "dramatic" scenes in between. That shit has got to stop. Make us care, do the gruntwork and form these characters instead of relying on cack exposition and mugging reactions and pointed close-ups. The beatific gleam on the faces of the cops as the kid walked toward the deer was just plain embarrassing. No, I haven't read the books. Yes, I've stuck with this patchwork lumbering thing from the start, and I expect I'll continue to, enjoying some of it and hoping, hoping. But, man, this show needs to be rounded up and run properly.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Slow, heavy handed, going nowhere

    by Bedhead7

    They used up the rescue party plotline first season. The Show is taking no risks. Lots of soap opera melowdrama. I lost even more interest in the characters. Atleast there was'nt a ten minute closeup of some woman in agony. Dexter is also sucking balls so far. Breaking bad is the winner.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:53 a.m. CST

    they’d under-delivered

    by JAMF

    at least he's honest. the writing was on par with doctor who last year. fucking awful. havent seen the new ep yet but hopefully it wont make me cringe/bore me to tears like last years dreck.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Okay, I googled Darabont getting fired

    by Steve

    This AMC dickhead, stillerman, seems like a Class-A dumbfuck - "why does a zombie TV show need to have zombies in it?" They robbed Walking Dead to pay Mad Men and Breaking Bad - Jesus I couldn't watch those shows if my life depended on it. Anyhow, I read that that Darabont had more or less wrapped half of season two. Is this right? If he had why was he still working on the first episode? Will get at least 6 episodes of season one quality?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST

    I just really hate

    by Therawbeats

    that there's a character named T-Dog.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Hey, who cares about the cops' training, get over it!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    How about the fact that the survivors found a Baptist church with a Catholic crucifix and a loudspeaker programmed to play the sounds of bells tolling every 10 minutes!?!?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:03 a.m. CST

    therevenge

    by Xiphos_2

    I do know what straw man means and I used it correctly, thank you for playing.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    I figured out why I can't get into this show like everyone else...

    by carey adams

    I dislike all the characters except one, and she tried to kill herself at the end of last season. Go figure. I find everyone else to be moderately irritating to outright annoying. Maybe that's the point? Hell is other people? Not necessarily living in a world with zombies? I'll give it another episode or two, but right now it seems more fun to talk about the episodes than to actually watch them.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:13 a.m. CST

    "those cops were shown as pretty bad ass"

    by Xiphos_2

    you mean the ones that didn't clear the vehicle and got Rick shot those bad asses?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Oh, sure.

    by TheRevenge

    You used it fine, whatever. Doesn't make it any less lame. Why didn't you just say "Meh" or "Epic Fail" while you were at it?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Awesome... But...

    by Darth Melkor

    I thought tonight's premiere was awesome. But as a person from Atlanta (who now lives in LA) I agree that the depiction that every single person in Georgia is a redneck is a bit offensive. I lived in Atlanta for 29 years and I don't have even the slightest accent, nor does hardly anyone I know in Atlanta.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:31 a.m. CST

    checklist.

    by teamneedle

    suspense. check. gore. check. story. fail.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Hey, moron, therevenge

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    The last time I checked, the show was written by Robert Kirkman who also created the book/series and serves as Executive Producer of the show. Robert Kirkman is from, and lives in Atlanta, last time I checked, so if you want to blame anyone for the stereotyping of Georgia rednecks stop blaming Hollywood hipster douches and blame your own fellow Georgia redneck.

  • ...

  • Dude to diss either of those shows, especially the latter suggests you have NO FUCKING CLUE.. ie LESS than AMC

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:51 a.m. CST

    FiOS AMC HD picture quality sucks

    by Titus05

    almost looks like bad DVD quality...way too much grain and over-saturation

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:28 a.m. CST

    @skellington216

    by Alientoast

    I imagine the "rattlesnake" sound you were hearing were probably some type of cicada (it's a bug). During the summer you hear them pretty much 24/7 if it's hot outside.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:40 a.m. CST

    the 5 mins of zombie herd - cool

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    but spinning the search off for an hour was not so cool. Feels like they're just spinning wheels and the writing is atrocious. Shame.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Best article written on Darabont firing

    by NathanGrey

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/walking-dead-what-happened-fired-221449 A lot of complainers in here per the norm, but seriously do yourself a favor and stop watching. I hear there is a new episode of Two and a Half Men tonight.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Titus-totally agree on FIOS

    by memento108

    AMC is shit on it. Very very grainy, over-saturated. But still watchable. Just disappointing. It's the price we pay to not deal with the Comcast train wreck, lol. Overall I liked the premiere but I'm still annoyed that Shane is still alive. No fucking reason for it. We don't need a shitty love triangle.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Ragtag band of Eskimos with harpoons? That ...

    by Freddy

    ... is a Walking Dead spinoff I would watch. If only for those scenes of toothy zombies poking their heads into the igloo hole. Imagine the tension. With harpoons you only get ONE SHOT, man. And those igloos? They totally fucking MELT, so I guess in these days of global warming our Eskimo heroes would have no choice but to go march North, ever North. And they could invent a rotating harpoon launcher thing around the middle of season two.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:05 a.m. CST

    abused wife needs some Activia.

    by durhay

    She looks like Jamie Lee Curtis, she might as well start eating like her. The group needs a designated "runner." Like when the herd shows up, his job is to get them to follow him. He runs off the highway, into the woods, and then doubles back.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Don't see what the appeal is at all.

    by Mister Grieves

    The show brings nothing new to the table and all of the characters are bad stereotypes, not to mention dumb.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST

    They should have made the black guy the designated runner

    by KoolerThanJesus

    Just tell him to pretend the zombies are cops. He'll just need to avoid the water, because everyone knows black people can't swim. After a while of leading them away he is to double back to the main group. Racism... still alive in 2011.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Season One was good and so will Season Two!

    by JarJar25

    In fact, all the episodes were good you fucks. This is a great series, who cares if Darabont is gone. I liked what he did, but he wasn't the only person that made it good. His first episode that he directed was good, but not my favorite. You fucks that don't like the show, well, then leave now! Darabont is gone and leave at that. Let us enjoy the gift that is The Walking Dead and hope George Romero makes some more Zombie films too!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I think the slow pace is kinda the point...

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    I get a little annoyed with the pace of the show at points, too. Drawing out the search for Sofia (the little girl) did seem unnecessary but after reading about the brouhaha over the opening two hours, I can see why it may have been done. But that's not really the issue. When this series first came on what intrigued me about it (not being a reader of the graphic novels) was that this wasn't a simple 2-hr movie about what happens after a zombie apocalypse. It's not something we're going to get a lot of bang-bang action and resolution. This is about what happens when you really have to survive the REST OF YOUR LIFE in a zombie world. It WOULD be a grind. It would be long, drawn out, exhausting. It would be a lot of waiting around for the next moment of terror. The parts of the show that are drawn out are, to me, almost more interesting because that is the terrifying part of the whole idea. The attacks are frightening but you don't have time to think, you just react. It's what happens in between the attacks that is the real terror and, thus, I think that the slow pace is the point. I also don't buy the "writing is terrible," the "monologues are shit," "no one talks like that," etc sort of arguments. These people are ragged. I do think that you'd get on-the-edge kooky talk. People would talk to a statue or on a walkie talkie to no one just because what else can you do? Do you really think you can sit down and have a smart, drawn out conversation with someone when you're running for your life every hour of every day? How well do can any of us articulate our emotions and thoughts on a normal day, much less in a situation like these characters find themselves? Yes, the love triangle is getting a little tiresome, but I also feel like it is beginning to fade. I think the developing situation between Laurie and Dale will help, as will Darryl's and T's situation, among others. No, this isn't Breaking Bad. But that show wasn't Mad Men, and The Killing isn't either of those. It's not outstanding drama or the deepest show, but it is tense and suspenseful and it is, to me, scary for just how hard it is to LIVE in this world. Not just survive, but live as the kind of person you are now, today.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST

    WTF was up with the picture quality...?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    All bleary and pixelated and smeary, like a 1985-era VHS tape. It wasn't the channel itself, because the commercials were all crisp and HD, but the episode itself looked like SHIT. I hope the whole season doesn't look like this.

  • After Oz, Sopranos, Deadwood, Six Feet Under, Battlestar Galactica finished we get: Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Walking Dead, Boardwalk Empire, Community, Game of Thrones… And the list goes on. There's just a lot of damn good series around. And I never, ever, ever believed we'd really be getting an end of the world zombie series.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST

    And Justified is great too…

    by melonman

    Whoever thought we'd be hearing so much Elmore Leonard dialogue on TV

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Epic Episode

    by Gabe Arellano

    Um, last i could tell there was not an abundance of Zombie shows on TV. That said until someone comes along and does it better, this is THE best Zombie show on TV. Hands Down. Save the bitching when there is something to compare it to on TV. Last nights episode was fucking EPIC and every hater out there knows it. Most of these characters are in the comic book - so if you hate one or the other character, chances are you hated the book or you are just another ignorant talkback hater douchebag jumping on the old "Hate Bandwagon". Fuck you for not being able to enjoy one of the best shows on TV. Your constant bitching and fucking moaning about this and that is fucking hilarious and trite. Amazing douchbaggerey around this fucking site.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Wasn't blown away

    by Ninja Nerd

    It was good, but not WOW! for me. Got a little bored actually. Will be watching...still like the show a lot...just a little underwhelmed by the opener.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:40 a.m. CST

    What the fuck ever, AMC.

    by thedottedlion

    Darabont is a professional.The guy made The Mist, The Shawshank Redemption, and The Green Mile. You don't just forget how to make a movie. Something stinks on this. Pure and simple. Those first 16 minutes were badass. Everyone attributes Breaking Bad to AMC, but that shit is Vince Gilligan and his crew. Same with Mad Men and Matthew Weiner. The AMC producers don't know what the fuck they're looking at when it comes to dailies.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    how the hell can you say there was "a point"

    by altoandando

    after looking at the amount of decision makers that went through the meat grinder to get this made? maybe to some folks with a low BS-sniffing threshold, it seems just great. the majority opinion is that this was a flaming turd, and is only going to go downhill. I love how folks here PERSONALLY attack others ("douchebag" seems to be a word that people like to use the first year or two after learning it) who's not fawning over this garbage, just because they like zombies, which they've only seen once or twice, and they were told that "GORE MATTERS" on AMC so it's all great with them. just an embarrassing fiasco. such a shame considering other wins this year like BB, Fringe, and Alphas.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST

    PLEASE don't put this in the same sentence as BB, GoT, BG

    by altoandando

    That's just disgusting. Stop and put your bib on, for the love of crap.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST

    They didnt explain the zombie virus or whatever it is

    by Knobules

    They showed how the brain is reactivated but they don't know why. They have said all along the brain is reactivated, whats the big deal?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST

    exactly Revenge:

    by altoandando

    this sums up the stupidity level of pretty much the whole show: "The stupid scene outside that tent, with dumb broad crying "are you in there"? If your kid is that stupid, lady, she probably deserves to be zombie food." Literally every decision made reeked of shittiness. Obviously there's the end of the world unpredictability thing, but last season it was established that they're at least holding on to their wits. Now they take a bunch of women and children tromping through the woods, only to split up with them and leave one group nearly defenseless? On and on... and for y'all who are in tears trying to defend this show from us horrible "douchebags," well guess what – we don't WANT it to suck, we're still hoping for it to pull out of this nosedive somehow, but this is just resoundingly bad writing and does not bode well.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST

    There were some good moments, BUT

    by Richard Cranium

    I'll agree with the people who said that the obsessive freaking whining was almost unbearable. I was begging the old dude to give blonde girl the gun and let her kill herself just to end the damn scene, and Rick in the church begging for a sign from God just annoyed me to no end. I'm on the verge of cheering for the Zombies at this point.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Loved the first show!!

    by Mandolorian

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:22 a.m. CST

    It was just OK...

    by Marshal_Lannes

    ..and that's sad. I watched every episode last season and, like many others on here, I WANT this to be a great show....but it's just not, at least at this point anyway. One think that supremely bugged me last night were the 3 zombies sitting in the church waiting for Sunday service to start. Called by the bell, I guess....but just sitting there waiting for the Preacher to show up? It just didn't jibe with the whole mindless, shuffling horde we'd just seen a few minutes earlier. I keep coming back to one nagging thing- I just don't buy that most of these characters would survive the first 20 minutes of a zombie apocalypse, much less a few months. I guess I'll keep watching until I get handed a deal-breaker of stupidity that I just can't get past....

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:29 a.m. CST

    disjointed episode

    by Chad

    Why, exactly, was the mother trying to get her lover more involved in her son's life? It made no sense. Last season she tells him to stay out of her life and her family's life, he tries to rape her, and now she seems MAD at him for being distant and emotionally unavailable? Huh? It's even used as a point of argument to keep them arguing with each other. Why? Just so that other woman can overhear and want to leave with him? This makes no sense. This episode was just WEIRD. As soon as the little girl disappeared, and the boy started acting very bold (totally different from how he acted last season)...I knew the boy was dead. It was the most obvious bait and switch--get the audience worried about the little girl, and the boy will end up dead and it will "make sense" because the kid has been bold throughout the entire episode (even though he wasn't acting that way last year). My fears of such a plotline were only confirmed when the parents kept LETTING THE LITTLE BRAT GO OFF WITH THE ADULTS INTO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. Why, exactly? What kind of parents would do that, especially given the fact that another child is MISSING and may have been eaten by ZOMBIES? (And why, exactly, didn't they let him keep the knives? They keep allowing him to traipse off into zombie-infested woods to find a missing child who was probably already eaten by zombies. That seems more dangerous than not allowing him to keep knives.) When I saw the buck, I thought someone behind them would try to shoot it, miss, and hit the kid. Then I thought that would be too stupid, because the gunshot might attract the zombies so no one would do that. Then I thought the buck might get spooked and trample the kid... and then they just let him approach the buck for some reason. (The kid is a lot smaller than that giant animal. What were the adults thinking? I had no idea. Usually when a group is in an dangerous situation overall--say, zombies are everywhere and may have eaten a child--the adults become MORE PROTECTIVE of the child, not less, when even minor threats appear.) Then I thought, maybe I was wrong about the kid dying, then he got shot along with the buck...and I thought... didn't they just make a rule that firing a gun was a bad idea because it would attract zombies? Does the anonymous person in the woods who shot the buck not know this rule? Or did they just expect us to forget it in the wake of the kid getting shot so that when the herd of zombies show up next week because they heard the gunshot, we just don't remember that this story makes no sense? There was nothing in this episode that reminded me of the polished stories last year. The "idiot plot" was used in more than one instance when the story was stuck (when the only thing that keeps the story moving forward is the fact that the character involved is a total idiot). I don't remember the idiot plot being used at all last season...at least not by characters who weren't supposed to be idiots in the first place.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure that needed to be a 90 minute episode

    by Truxton Spangler

    If the rest of the season is similar, the pacing might be difficult to watch. I've never read the original material, but there has to be an explanation for this series' mixed quality. The production values and atmosphere are great, the acting fine, but the writing leaves much to be desired. Darabont is one factor, but the latter part of the season should show his diminished influence. The author? Don't know what kind of writer he is, but appears to be somewhat meek. The most plausible, I think, is that there are just too many cooks in kitchen, and no single voice strong enough to guide the show. Usually, that would be the showrunner or the writer, but the public accounts all give the impression that there is a lot of dancing around some sensitive politics. I'm sure there are many opinions swirling within, but nobody is brave enough to come forward. At the very least, there is a notable lack of chemistry between the principals, as well as the staff in the writers' room. A pity.

  • And that is too bad. Is it really so hard to rig up a little blood bag guys? Jeez. Every time blood spurts it seems way too slow and fake looking and cheapens what is really great makeup FX. The zombie in the trailer was scary and well done. But the CG arrow going through the zombie in the forest looked cheap, as well as when the deer got shot in the last scene. The characters are grating on me a little bit,they could cut down on the annoying chatty speeches and show more zombie interactions. But,I will still watch. It is still so cool that there is a quality zombie drama/action series on basic cable TV. That has never happened before guys.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:46 a.m. CST

    The best episode SINCE the pilot perhaps...

    by HoichiTheEarless

    But that's not saying much. The pilot was incredible, several notches above anything else that has been on the show since. If Herc's tally of best episodes ever is representative of his opinion (last year he gave the nod to a couple of post pilot episodes), he's got the pilot at no better than fourth best of a series with only seven episodes so far. I guess everyone's entitled to an opinion but Herc's take on TWD episode quality can officially be dismissed. Last night was decent though honestly at some point this series has to aspire to return to the level of quality set by the pilot. I'm not sure it can do that without Daranbont, who surely deserves most of the credit for making the pilot so great.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:57 a.m. CST

    anyone watch the 'bicycle girl' webisodes at AMCTV.com?

    by Titus05

    showed the origins of Hannah and how she became infected

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:59 a.m. CST

    re: hoichitheearless

    by Chad

    Last night was decent though honestly at some point this series has to aspire to return to the level of quality set by the pilot. I'm not sure it can do that without Daranbont, who surely deserves most of the credit for making the pilot so great.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST

    that's weird...

    by Chad

    My comment disappeared but what I quoted from your post didn't. Anyway, I agree with you. I fear this will probably be the best episode of the season...so everything else will probably be unwatchable. Remember the dialogue in the cruiser at the beginning of the pilot episode? Why is there no dialogue like that anymore? It was smart, revealed character, engaged the audience, and was relatable--these people seemed like us, with our problems, and our understandings of how people are. This episode seemed to labor under a complete lack of understanding of human nature.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Interesting...

    by ATARI

    I purposely avoided this thread until after I watched the season premier.<br> <br> But watching it, by the one hour mark, I was thinking to myself "Gee, the first 20 minutes or so were real promising, but nothing has happened since."<br> <br> And nothing really happened until the end.<br> <br> And now reading that the original part I liked was part of the original hour-long premier makes me think what they added was just filler. Or so it felt to me.<br> <br> I will keep watching, but can't help but think there will be a major nose-dive at episode 4.<br> <br>

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST

    the show is based off of the graphic novels

    by Titus05

    so as long as they follow it then there's no way they can screw it up...this was not an original work by Darabont...he was just following the general template of the comics (with a few changes)...Darabont leaving should have little to no effect...if the show sucks from this point on then it's pretty much all Robert Kirkman's fault

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Spoiled brats on this talkback

    by SavageJuicebox

    This episode was fantastic, and so was most of last season. If anyone wants to know what it is like to go to film school, they just need to come to these talkbacks. Bunch of opinionated amateurs that don't know shit about shit talking out of their asses. Most if not always negative. I want some of you to go back through your talkback histories and if you see a pattern of negative garbage spewing, hopefully you will consider reevaluating your entire outlook on life. Christ almighty.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST

    by Chad

    >>This episode was fantastic, and so was most of last season. Care to elaborate what was so fantastic?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:19 a.m. CST

    90 minutes?

    by the_greek

    The show could have been boiled down to 15 minutes, mayyybe 20. The rest was all exposition B.S. Also, why when they found the water in the truck did that mega-douche cop decide to waste a whole bottle to take a "shower". Anyone care to venture where the zombies were all trekking to? Looks like they have developed some social cohesion of some sorts. First, Darabont's script for Indy gets shoved up his @**, now this whole thing with AMC - what's up with that? Man gets no respect...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I want some of you to go back through your talkbalk histories

    by altoandando

    Uhhhh whatever Professor, as long as you teach me how to pad my films with extra pained glances and master the art of constant character whining. I took your self-help advice and you seem to be wrong. I've never had a reaction this visceral on the site... though I guess I was a bit down on the final season of Prison Break. Seriously, I feel bad for you guys... because I get it, it's the only zombie drama on TV, we all want it to be good, and it's heartbreaking that it's been botched so badly by everyone involved, biting into a shit sandwich is never fun and it goes down better if you can convince yourself it was delicious. Unfortunately IMO there's just no recovering from the damage they've done with stupid, complaining, inconsistent characters and some of the worst monologues ever to shit themselves out zombie fiction. Hey, gotta give 'em credit for trying... and like others have said, I'm still looking forward to most these people getting their faces bit off ASAP.

  • Walking Dead killed off one black character last season, now we are left with bumbling "T-Dogg," a character whose sole purpose seems to be fucking up (dropping the keys, nearly killing himself on a car door last night) and allowing white characters to either save him or deliver exposition to him.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST

    titus05 and darabont

    by CooGuy

    Darabont was loosely following the graphic novels. However, the events of season 2 are not from the books. At all. Not even close. I personally think Darabont was fired because he wanted to stick to the books as much as possible. This show sucking has nothing to do with the books.

  • totally the opposite...it was Darabont who wanted to veer away from the books because he wanted the people who read the comics to still be surprised at what happened on the show...he's the one who created the new characters (Daryl, Merle etc) and the new storylines (CDC, Latino gang at the nursing home etc)

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Stop watching the show if you hate it so much!!

    by Mr Palmer

    Honestly, if its that bad then why tune in at all? You have all been so down on the show since the ventured away from the comic's original story line and since Darabont got shit canned. "The story sucks...the characters suck...the dialogue sucks...whaaa whaa whaaa". Your negativity is just a self fulfilling prophecy. You were already going to pan it no matter what and now... here you are, panning the thing. What a shocker. Do us all a favor, if you don't like it, don't watch. just tune out, its that simple. That way you can spare us your bullshit whining and complaining about how its not "perfect". Desperate Housewives is on at 9. Maybe you would enjoy that more. After all its a show about a bunch of cunts, so its right up you ally. Also, does anyone else see the irony that all these dumbfucks are whining and complaining that the characters on the show are whining and complaining too much. Just sayin'.

  • The shows we are (fairly or not) comparing to TWD had half a dozen OR MORE memorable characters by the first season. I agree that they couldnt just go with the comic book as written. The starkness, the grimness, the brutality, the lack of sentimentality, its all too much for an ongoing tv series - especially one that needs to pull in x amount of viewers every week. So they shouldve decided on what elements of the books they could preserve, jetison the rest, and do a true adaptation. huge fan of the comics btw. all that stuff i listed above is the reason im a fan of The Walking Dead. Its different. But what works in a black and white comic book doesnt necesasrily work in a tv show.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Great episiode. Had some balls. (spoilers)

    by tradeskilz

    Finally some gore and real suspense in this series. Lauri Holdens character is as annoying as always though. "This is a graveyard i'm not sure i'm ok with this" WTF? I would have told the bitch to shut up. I was half fearing the episode was turning in to a -follow the scared cute child as she cries for mommy type thing, but they didn't play that angle. I was just about to roll my eyes and moan audibly when they had the magnificent splendor and beauty of nature moment. Then *BANG* the kid takes a bullet. Awesome. I usually pray the annoying kid will get killed in these types of shows but ironically this kid isn't annoying at all so it felt shitty. Like it should.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST

    love the show but...

    by dagwood

    The episode wasn't 90 minutes, it was around 40 with a shit load of commercials. Also, the writing was a bit off-base. Pretty good, but there were definitely more than a few hands in the pot...tinkering. Too many if you ask me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Herd scene...

    by grendel69

    ...was pretty great. I do like TWD but agree Im wanting more from it, and it doesnt look promising with the games AMC is playing with the show. The comic book will go on and on forever, but I give the show 2 more seasons before its canned. The execs are short sighted, and the show is too expensive. I'm looking foward to seeing what they do with the longer season. And Daryl owns this show.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by grendel69

    About characters making stupid decisions,I think people do stupid things all the time, and how many average joes out there have any decent survival skills. Most people are at a complete loss without their cellphones and internet connections. Add panic, terror,etc into the mix and I can buy characters doing boneheaded things.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by grendel69

    About characters making stupid decisions,I think people do stupid things all the time, and how many average joes out there have any decent survival skills. Most people are at a complete loss without their cellphones and internet connections. Add panic, terror,etc into the mix and I can buy characters doing boneheaded things.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST

    ...the hell?

    by gotilk

    Anyway. I really enjoyed it, although the criticisms that it tended to drag on a bit I think are a little fair. I think if you're going to have nothing happen for 20-30 minutes, you'd better have either a mastery of mood and building of tension OR be able to hack it from another director's style (Kubrick, RidleyScott, who I think are both masters of mood and tension would be a good starting point). That said... WOW! There were moments last night watching when I could literally feel my skin crawling and my heart race. Effective as hell. Not at ALL what I was expecting. I agree with the above criticism, but have to consider that the source doesn't know the difference between a subject line and the body of a post. (lol...just poking fun a bit) Seriously, that exposition was something they had to deal with due to casting issues? Or was it merely for the possible eventual payoff of what the CDC guy said to Rick? It felt a little forced, but I can live with it. As far as the Talking Dead show goes... I think Patton is hilarious, but it seems like he forgot to be funny for that 30 minutes or so. THEN out of nowhere, he goes after the child actor, and all I could think is that this girl is sitting at home thinking... *why did this odd little man that sounds like Rattatuoie just say I'm unattractive and that I never will be??* Which is odd... because he's pretty consistently hilarious. Just seemed like a cruel jab. Maybe he meant it indirectly, and if so he did so badly. Hardwick was a great host as always. And James Gunn is always cool. That poll proved one thing.... that people who watch TV live have no souls. LOL!! That poll result was astounding. You know, even if the show falls apart toward the end of the season, I'm in. I think it kind of did last season, but not as badly as most TV shows. We're lucky to have this show, and if it stumbles a little down the line, so what? It could improve instead, who knows? Not every show can be Breaking Bad. Overall, GREAT first episode. I was entertained and astonished consistently. I did notice one thing. For a 90 minute episode, I found it astounding that the actual run-time was an hour and 3 minutes. 27 commercial minutes??? Is that a record?? I thought 90 minute shows' actual run-times were closer to an hour and 8-9 minutes?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST

    dahveed's bullshit

    by Eyegore

    Fuck off until you learn how a forum works. See how I made you read this? It's called a subject line. The message goes here, attention whore.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    crispin_glovers_acid_flashback

    by Hipshot

    Darabount may have a racial issue or two. "The Green Mile" is the most egregious example of the "magical, sacrificial Negro" I've ever seen in my life, and the tweaks he made to King's novel seriously intensified the problems. I've had no reason to readjust my opinion of him in this regard.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:37 p.m. CST

    A message to you WD apologists who think the haters should tune out...

    by djangoilbastardo

    You should be thanking them for still contributing to the ratings of this thing. And you're welcome.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST

    sorry eyegore. Ill do better.

    by dahveed1972

    Most of my posts are from my phone, and it always publishes the headline when i try and tab over to the body. I gave up at some point. As far as attention, Im in an N'Sync cover band, so I get more than my fair share of attention, thank you very much.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST

    **Go Stl Cardinals**

    by XxSoulFlyxX

    Just saying cause they are a miracle team.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST

    idiot plot...

    by Chad

    Add panic, terror,etc into the mix and I can buy characters doing boneheaded things

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I had kinda forgot the darabont stuff and...

    by Jonathhan Kana

    while watching the premier I realized I was REALLY REALLY bored. it was a shitty premier, straight up. it felt more like an episode in the middle of the season. why are we having filler for a premier? I was underwhelmed. irritated. it felt cheap. i hated the cliche and corny rick/jesus comparison. overall Im just not that interested in checking out the next episode anymore. IMO Frank was the wrong one to run this show to begin with. AMC was the wrong channel. And now we are getting an inferior product. Mad Men is good at crafting scenes around talking. The Walking Dead isnt. there are fucking zombies man!! Stop talking to a wooden jesus already. ACTION! ACTION! ACTION!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I thought the zombies could smell humans

    by Scorchy

    Wasn't it the second episode last year when Rick and Glenn had to cover themselves in the guts of the zombies so they could get to that vehicle, and the rain came and washed it away? So, why were the zombies able to shuffle past all the people under the cars? Consistency is a major problem if you don't have it, which TWD apparently does.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST

    idiot plot...

    by Chad

    Why does the talkback keep disappearing my posts while keeping the quote I am responding to? Anyway, the idiot plot goes beyond the intensity of the moment when zombies attack. Take the mother's conversation with her lover while the son was asking about keeping knives. Apparently the mother thought he was talking too tersely to her son about not playing with knives? I don't get the scene at all--it was just an excuse to keep the love triangle going when the love triangle ended decisively last year. She might as well have said, "Did you have to speak so harshly to him about not playing with knives? He likes playing with knives, almost as much as he likes exploring in zombie-infested woods where a child has recently gone missing. Would you deny him the joy of exploring those zombie-infested woods also? And why are you being so abrupt with him? Why aren't you being nicer to him and me? I know I told you to stay way from me and my family last season, and shortly after you tried to rape me, but just because my husband is alive when you told me he was dead...and because you tried to rape me after I told you to stay away...is no reason to be so abrupt when speaking to my son! He likes you. You're like a Back Up Daddy in case his gets eaten by zombies. Also, since I am talking to you this way, you should also think that I still kind of have the hots for you. What other explanation could there be for my 180 degree turn from telling you to stay away from us? You can be a Back Up Husband too. Just keep it on the down low so my husband doesn't find out." Please.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:11 p.m. CST

    N'Sync cover band

    by gotilk

    Wow! You must have single mom action coming out your Timberlakehole.

  • Mainly down to Darabont's ego and his refusal to listen to other writers and the producers on most anything, but instead being locked into his own personal vision, which even Kirkman had grown tired of fighting against apparently. His constant demands for more time and more money beyond what was budgeted and scheduled for didn't exactly endear himself to the majority of the production either. From what I hear, the man just isn't suited to the way that tv is done, but instead treated it like a big budget studio financed film where he was 'God', rather than a collaborative tv project, and you simply can't do series television like that for very long before things start to break down. Now I will say that I don't know that any of that is absolutely true, but that's certainly the scuttlebut going around on various sets over the last few months.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Consistency

    by grendel69

    Viewers forget consistency as much as the writers. It was mentioned in the pilot when the wife walked up to the door and turned the knob that theres a primal memory the zombies seem to have... yet people are nitpicking why zombies are just sitting in the church.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST

    re: stegman84

    by Chad

    What I read at the time was that the budget was CUT from last year's budget, despite being the highest rated show in AMC history. Darabont was what was holding the quality of the show together. When tv is made by committee, you start to get problems that were evident in this episode. Rules from last season were ignored (someone just posted the thing about the zombies smelling people, a problem that played heavily in an episode last season, and this season that rule was already broken because the committee forgot the rule). Tv can and has worked with singular visions. In fact, that is the only time it has ever been great. When you get dozens of cooks in the kitchen, many of whom don't know how to cook, don't be surprised if the result is inedible.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST

    you know it gotilk! im high fiving u with my mind rite now.

    by dahveed1972

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    i agree the scene with th knives made no sense.

    by dahveed1972

    Maybe Kirkland et al have decided against making whatshisface a villain.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST

    As someone who's actually worked set on tv shows in the past

    by Stegman84

    It just doesn't work that way in real life. Sure, they might sell you that idea as part of a show's media spin, especially if they have a 'name' as showrunner/show creator, but day to day the only shows that work are the ones with a group of strong collaborators bouncing ideas and pushing each other to do better and better work. Few artists do their best work in a vacuum, even fewer when that vacuum is self imposed. Oh, and from what I hear, the budget for this season is less per episode, true, but not significantly less than most episodes last season cost, particularly when calculated properly. The opening episode was basically double budgeted (in other words it cost about twice what a regular episode cost) even though being classified as a single episode. So if you calculate the budget over the whole season and divide it by six, then this season has less money per episode than that calculation would say that last season had. But, and here's the tricky thing, if you divide last season by seven (given the double budgeted pilot) then this season would have a comporable budget per episode as last season did, and any budgetary drops are negligable, if they even exist at all. In other words, the average episode this season will have about the same amount of money available to make it that the average (non pilot) episode did last year, it is just that the far more expensively budgeted pilot threw the numbers off, and then those numbers were used as a negotiating weapon when they tried to get a budget increase. But no one had to take pay cuts, cast or crew, and that first episode did not look noticably cheaper than any last season. So that particular argument - Hollywood spin at it's very best.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST

    CHRIST

    by franko_bastid

    I see this entire subpar second season shambling my way. Maybe I will keep my voice down and hide under a car while it shuffles by, selectively smelling. FUCK.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST

    re: stegman84

    by Chad

    I'm not talking about "day to day" shows, I'm talking about good ones. And yes, you can have a good show with a very few strong collaborators, as long as they all know what they are doing. There are already indications that they don't. But "The Walking Dead" last season was a really good show. The premiere this year didn't match it. Talent is not easy to come by, and Darabont WAS the talent. You can't just replace him and get the same result. AMC has dropped the ball here. But I'd love to be proven wrong in the week's ahead. I've searched some of those positive reviews and found a signicant number of negative comments posted on them--some ONLY had negative comments. If anything, the reviewers are jumping on a band wagon simply due to the popularity of last season... the same way Larry King never said a bad word about a movie, ever.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:12 p.m. CST

    We have 11 eps to go...

    by grendel69

    and the trailers for the season look ok IMHO... give it a chance before you write it of. Jebustappingchrist

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:38 p.m. CST

    The decline in quality is obvious

    by Billy_D_Williams

    I liked last season, I really really liked it, even the last episode. The show was effective, fun, scary, exciting, tense. But the premiere last night...eh...you could feel it being led by a different group overseers and they're not very good. It was a WEAK premiere, not terrible, but a series premiere is SUPPOSED to not only hook new viewers but keep the fans coming back and that was the best they could do??? If that premiere is any indication of coming quality, then we're in BIG trouble.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:40 p.m. CST

    scorchy...that is part of the decline in quality...

    by Billy_D_Williams

    how do you go from smell sensitive zombies, to zombies who all have stuffed up noses? do they all have a cold now? WEAK SAUCE

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The show is no fun

    by Bedhead7

    Every character with lines is a whining bitter sentimental chode. The writers should eat a few Metamucil bars and have some fun. I get it... they are scared flawed humans. That's the bare minimum of good character writing. Now do something interesting with them. Please stop the Velveeta monologues and Cheese Whiz facial expressions driving the characters. Can a writer make a fucking decision about anything? How many more search and rescue plot lines will there be? Old dude works on the rv, women bitch about the men, then the women, then the children, then close up shot of PMS face. The men walk around with guns they are not willing to use. Zombies have one set of rules one episode and a different set of rules the next. Is there nothing more interesting happening during this infestation? Why this group of people? What makes them so worth following and caring about? They are bland? That's what we should care about? Might have worked in the comic, does not in any way hold up on TV. Especially with Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad breathing down your neck. TWD is just not cutting it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:52 p.m. CST

    The smell thing can easily be explained

    by Extr3m1st

    When they covered themselves up with blood and crap to smell bad they did this because they would be walking right next and in a group full of zombies. Standing right next to them and walking with them in a herd. In this situation they were out of sight, these zombies don't have super sense of smell, but they can smell something right next to them. And in this case other zombies were walking right next to them, and I am sure they all smelled ripe. They were also outside and there were only a few humans as opposed to the whole stinking zombie herd. Not hard to believe they didn't smell them in hiding. Now walking right next to one where you are in full eye sight of them and trying to blend in? You better smell like dead shit..

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST

    A "political figure" would be interesting to see

    by Mike Fornes

    Hanging in there to see if they can bring that comic character to TV, and do it well.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST

    And I like the show

    by Extr3m1st

    I love anything to do with Zombies, but I also agree with the too many monologues argument. Also tradeskilz, the girl who made the cemetery comment is not Laurie Holden, it is Sarah Wayne Callies. Laurie is the blond girl, maybe I read your post wrong but it sounds like you have them confused. If I am wrong I apologize.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Thanks alot - you all ruined the best scene...

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    ...what the hell did happened to the hunt by smell zombies??? I hate inconsistencies.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 2:59 p.m. CST

    people asking for action action action

    by philosophile

    clearly don't know Kirkman's writing style. He likes to build up a lot of tension and have really amazing action all at once, after sufficient tension has been built. The Walking Dead isn't really about zombies in the comic book. I wouldn't really expect it to be all that different in the TV show. Lots of tension was in this episode, there was some character building, and laying down some conflict arcs. But the zombies will simply highlight, not be the stars. Shooting Carl is a perfect example of what Kirkman likes to do. I'm really surprised more main characters haven't bit the dust so far.

  • Wanna see a decent Zombie Apocalypse thriller? check out The Dead by the Ford Brothers. It somewhat harkens back to classics like Lucio Fulci's Zombie. And just like Zombie, it had a fucked up ending. These guys (The Fords) would prolly do a much better job than Glen Mazzura. Hell, I'm more excited by this season's Boardwalk Empire and Sons of Anarchy than TWD as of late.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Frig it, I loved it

    by django_il_bastardo

    Now I know how those guys who read Game of Thrones before the show came out felt...

  • Hah, it would be funny if Stegman84 was really Tim Van Patten. (Get the connection?)

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Stupid defenders can kiss MY zombie ass!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Look, I'm all for a fun, spirited geek debate about this show -- or any movie or show for that matter. HOWEVER...the ONE thing that instantly discredits you, that shows you have nothing of value to add to the discussion, is when you fall back on (1) silly name calling ("you're a miserable cunt if you didn't like it!" and (2) the age-old tired defense that anyone who dissents MUST be a frustrated film school graduate or someone who never got to film school, so therefore you're now a BITTER miserable cunt taking your anger out on a particular show. Look, I WANT to like this show, but I'm sorry -- this thing REALLY does have some problems that are starting to pile up. As others have ACCURATELY noted here, there are PLENTY of plot points (as well as rules for the zombies) that keep getting conveniently brushed aside...which means the show isn't playing fair with the viewer OR it just shows how lazy and uncreative the writers ARE becoming, since they can't follow their own goddamn story guide. And second, the show -- in my opinion, as well as clearly others here -- DOES have a continual pacing problem. Hey, I get it. It's a TV show, so I can't expect movie scale action or violence or effects or whatever else every moment of the show. However, this thing DOES get a nice budget to work with relative to other TV shows out there, so there IS room for doing things a notch up or outright better than the average show. And THAT is the problem with TWD. It's already sinking into average status. I mean, give me a fucking break. Break down last night's plot and do you REALLY think THAT was work a 90 minute premiere? Can you honestly look everyone in the face and not realize just how much stupid padding was inserted -- or worst of all, stupid plot points and character bits? For fuck's sake, just look at Lori (Sarah Wayne Callies) and how schizophrenic she was in just this ONE episode alone. The car caravan stops and what are her instructions to her son? And I mean DIRECTLY to her son, since we see it played out on screen? Stay within her sight at all times. Because she's afraid of what will happens. Yet the son goes off and finds the knife set...comes back with them...and does she yell at him for going off? Does she smack his ass or act LIKE a concerned mother -- or even like the same character she was earlier in the show? NO. For crying out loud, instead of yelling AT THE KID she turns around and gets mad at Shane for blowing the kid's excitement off. And then even in a truly head-slapping bit, she agrees to let the kid go into the zombie woods not once, but fucking TWICE. I have my own list of bitches, and frankly I think they're legitimate STORY points that this show is quickly becoming too contrived...or frankly too STUPID to even address. 1) Hey, I love that they're all in a car caravan and what is the opening? That they're on a highway littered with a zillion cars and they're wondering if the RV can get through. Which brings up the point WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU USING AN RV ANYWAY? It's big...it's clunky...and just like tonight's episode showed, it's not very maneuverable when you get into a tight spot. And for fuck's sake, considering that they're always worried about supplies and gas, why the hell would you pick a fucking GAS GUZZLING RV to travel in, as opposed to a new car -- which frankly, in the wake of this global apocalypse, you could find EVERYWHERE YOU GO. Hell for that matter -- between last season and now the start of this season -- they've repeatedly used the already very tired plot device of "Oh, look! The radiator hose is shot again!" trick. Which begs the question: again, given that it's been the apocalypse and you can now just take whatever you want, WHY THE FUCK WOULDN'T YOU JUST GRAB AN ALL-NEW RV? Gimme a break. We've seen them in Atlanta and then driving out and passing a zillion cars on the clogged highways. What, you're telling me they never passed ONE RV that was in better shape? Or even ONE RV that they could have cannibalized for better parts? 2) But that leads to the stupidity of these characters ANYWAY. Here they are driving in a caravan at the start of this episode...they get caught on a highway with a BILLION abandoned cars...and what does Dale say when the point is brought up that they should simply turn around and take the access road a short while back? "We can't do that. We're running low on fuel." HEY, DALE -- GUESS WHAT? THOSE BILLION CARS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO WEAVE YOUR STUPID RV THOUGH? GUESS WHAT THEY RUN ON TOO, DUMB ASS. 3) And sure, when they stop someone FINALLY says "Hey, while we're parked, look for things", but it begs the question WHY wouldn't any of these retards have INSTANTLY said "Whoa! A billion cars! I bet we can REALLY tank up and even fill lots of spare cans now!" 4) And mind you, just to show how fucking silly and retarded the writers are becoming...looking for cheap, silly outs to create their pseudo tension...WHY THE FUCK would you even BOTHER checking ANY car that had a dead body in it? I love that the ONLY car that the kid comes across...where he finds the knives...just HAD to be one with a body in it, to play up the idea that maybe it's a zombie lying in wait. Which likewise begs the question, WHY THE FUCK would you reach into the car and try to grab at something BEFORE you poked at the body to see if it was a zombie? Seriously, the kids deserves to die for being dumb as bricks, and clearly his parents -- despite being the two leading characters -- have shit for brains TOO since they're too stupid to train their kid about things he should NEVER do.' Then again, they act just as retarded doing completely illogical things, so why blame the kid? Apparently EVERYONE on this show...the characters AND the writers behind the scenes are utter morons who can only go for the cheap and the obvious and the incredibly cliched.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I was with it till the ridiculous "sign from god" scene

    by David Cloverfield

    The zombie herd, the trailer and the zombie autopsy were good stuff. I even dug the chase in the woods. But after the girl disappeared things went downhill. Like a completely different show took over. Characters started to behave the most stupid way possible. I wonder if making God in the walking dead universe the most evil diety imaginable was intentional ("Please, give me a sign." "Sure, here`s a nice deer." "Thanks... no somebody shot Carl!" "Here`s your sign motherfucker".) but I kinda like it. Also after all the hubbub about the missing girl, I hope she gets a silent, "Girl who loved Tom Gordon" style episode when she has to do horrible things to survive, or they go the realistic route and we never hear from her again, driving the mom crazy.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I don't fully agree with what some people are saying here.

    by gotilk

    See how big boys do it? You're welcome.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST

    david cloverfield

    by Mattman

    Actually, I think Rick just took the deer as a sign from God, when in reality it was just a deer that someone was hunting. People who are desperate for signs usually find them... unfortunately, the minute you turn your back in Walking Dead, something bad happens. I doubt we'll see Rick looking for anymore signs from God, and I think that's the whole point.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST

    What's with all the bitching?

    by Mattman

    Aside from a few flaws, this episode was damn fine television. The scene with the "worshipping" zombies was fucking chilling.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Complaints about the Church? You gotta let them go

    by D.Vader

    Its obvious the filmmakers wanted something that is visually interesting, and actors praying to a scary bloody Jesus on a cross IS visually interesting. But its a Catholic thing, not Southern Baptist. But then, you're not going to find a Catholic church in the backwoods of Georgia either, so if they made it Catholic, you'd have people complaining how unrealistic that is too. That's just one of those bits of movie storytelling you have to let go. Otherwise we'd get a bland room that works as a "church" with people praying to a wall.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST

    re: mattman

    by Chad

    The "worshipping" zombies was not chilling. There were 3 of them, and they were cut down almost immediately. Also, why were they sitting there, exactly? I know they heard the bell connected to the loud speaker that was powered by...? Ok, let's just assume there was a generator or something? That had been running for how many days...uh...weeks...with no fuel...and no sound of a generator...? Ok, maybe there was some kind of battery? (Why would the church have a battery for that when they could just plug it into the regular power?) But...whatever. In any case, three of them heard the bell...and only 3 heard it?...and went to the church, and just sat down? Then what? Did they stop feeding for some reason? Why didn't they go outside when it became clear that the bell sound was coming from outside, not inside? It just felt totally and utterly contrived, not chilling. (And was that one zombie supposed to be a "bride" with a muddied veil on her head? I didn't get that either.) What was chilling (last season) was the slow reanimation of Amy while Andrea watched and everyone waited. THAT was chilling. There was nothing approaching that in this episode.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Amen big dumb ape

    by Bedhead7

    Could not agree more. These characters are tools used only to forward the cheesy and cliche interpersonal drama that has become 100% of the show. In the pilot, which I loved, we saw time pass. We saw what was happening and what had happened in different parts of this world from different perspectives. We traveled through multiple set pieces and saw multiple examples of how high the stakes are. Right now, I can't stand being stuck with this group of people for 90 minutes and that may be the point of the show. If it is, the joke is on me. I hope to god they break this group up, speed the tempo and get some interesting things going on in multiple locations. Last night were were stuck in one location with one dimensional characters doing one dimensional things. Watching this constant low level reptilian brained decision making in service of easy character drama is frustrating. Yes, you need some of that character tension in the show, but you also need at least one character thinking like the audience. One character that can use 2 brain cells to figure things out. Then you set the dumb cliched characters against him/her. We need to see other parts of this universe. We need another group of people trying different things out. The show is literally going nowhere right now. You put this kind of episode in the middle of the season, you don't start a story out like this.

  • Old dude works on the rv, women bitch about the men, then the women, then the children, then close up shot of PMS face

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST

    mattman...southern churches dont have jesus on the cross

    by Billy_D_Williams

    and i love how the church was called SOUTHER BAPTIST CHURCH REALLY??? thats why its bad television...but of course the idiots in the fly over states wont notice little details like that.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST

    how bout the timed electronic bell going off every few minutes?

    by Billy_D_Williams

    the fuck?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST

    jacobfromlost...thank you

    by Billy_D_Williams

    like i said, the decline in quality is obvious

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Thought it was a great episode

    by Kammich

    I had tempered my expectations with the exit of Darabont and questioning if the show could maintain a serviceable pace for the 90-minute runtime. I thought there were some hiccups here and there, mostly performance based... actually, almost ENTIRELY performance based... but I enjoyed the episode a lot. Great hook at the end of the episode, something I had forgotten about the comics. I hope Season 2 can maintain a high level of creative output, because the material actually lulls a little bit at Hershel's Farm(in my opinion). Once you get to stuff like Michonne, the Prison, and the Governor... you're looking at the potential to be THE best show on TV. By the way, "The Talking Dead" is fucking terrible. 30 minutes of dead air, occasionally interrupted by one of the guests pointing out how much they DISLIKED something on the show. I won't be watching that shit again.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST

    d. vader, but you can't cheat like that

    by Billy_D_Williams

    so you want him talking to jesus, or God or whatever (since relgious people think they're the same)... why not just have him look at a plain cross, which is featured in southern churches and just say "God...look man..." BOOM, problem solved...it's a cross, we get it, he's talking to God. instead, they blantantly disregard the intelligence of the audience because they were too stupid or lazy to make the easy fix...??? that's bad television sir.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    They're not smell sensitive zombies

    by D.Vader

    I believe many of you have gotten confused. The zombies don't find you based on your smell. Honestly, its probably a combination of the 3 main senses, though in this show, and in most EVERY zombie lore, its sight and sound that alerts a zombie to your presence. The smell thing only works when you're in sight of the zombie, so they can tell you aren't one of the walking dead. If you're going to criticize the show for breaking its rules, than please point to an instance in which a zombie used its sense of smell to become alerted to someone's presence rather than sight or sound.

  • Whoops did it again.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by D.Vader

    You- "But that leads to the stupidity of these characters ANYWAY. Here they are driving in a caravan at the start of this episode...they get caught on a highway with a BILLION abandoned cars...and what does Dale say when the point is brought up that they should simply turn around and take the access road a short while back? "We can't do that. We're running low on fuel."" That's why he then had the guys go out to get fuel. Its stupid to turn around and get to the access road because they're running low. And now they're faced with a large supply. That's not a criticism... you're practically agreeing with the guy.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:20 p.m. CST

    by Chad

    quote...If you're going to criticize the show for breaking its rules, than please point to an instance in which a zombie used its sense of smell to become alerted to someone's presence rather than sight or sound. ... unquote See last season's episode where the established that rule and used it as the main complication for at least half an episode. The zombie's were alerted to the humans when it began to rain, the zombie sludge they wiped on themselves washed off, and their human smell was present again. The ONLY thing that alerted the zombies of the people in that instance was their smell. (And that was actually a very clever episode, using the sludge to camaflage their smell, and the rain to throw a monkey wrench into their plan. You see, it DOES rain on occasion, and Rick and the others WOULDN'T anticipate it raining at just the wrong moment. That's a fair and interesting plot construction.)

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:22 p.m. CST

    It is a cheat, Billy D

    by D.Vader

    And honestly, its a cheat not many people are going to pick up on. Look, you can't have it both ways: you can't have a scary Jesus to talk to and to cut to, and you can't have a Catholic church in the backwoods of the deep south. Both are unbelievable, both give you something more when telling your story, and both have their problems. But its just tv. Filmmaking is filled with stuff like that. But fine, let's just say it should have been a Catholic church from the start. Is that better?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:25 p.m. CST

    As for praying to a cross

    by D.Vader

    Come on, you know that's not as visually appealing or as symbolic, right? Did you catch that? Men escaping from the Walking Dead stop and pray to a figure who was the original Walking Dead? A cross is fine to pray to, but a plain cross, to me anyway, screams of a low budget religious family oriented movies. Those always have just a cross because they're usually appealing to Baptists and Presbyterians. But visually speaking, a bleeding Jesus on the cross is more interesting to look at; its far creepier and sets a better mood, *and* it gives a human figure for the character to talk and react to. I'd much rather see an emotionless, bloody Jesus intercut with a distraught character than a blank cross.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I assume the zombies were always in the Church

    by D.Vader

    Like the Infected in the beginning of 28 Days Later. Or they were summoned by the church bell. Either way, outside of the "what powered the church bell" predicament, what's the problem with zombies sitting in church exactly? Its creepy, that's the intended effect.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I try to be, Alto

    by D.Vader

    Sometimes it helps to bring a little respect and levity to the talkbacks =).

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST

    MERLE = GOVERNOR

    by Paul

    The racist douchebag Merle from the beginning of season one becomes THE GOVERNOR. Yes, this does not exactly tie in with the books but the show hardly has. In Merle's eyes, Rick made him saw off his own hand in order to survive..... An eye for an eye....

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Here's the solution to the church dilemma

    by D.Vader

    Just don't show the church sign. Let people figure it out for themselves. Its really not a big deal.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Is Rooker going to be the Governor?

    by Cobb05

    Also, has anone read the book Rise of the Governor yet? Any good?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Why couldn't zombies smell them?

    by Darth Melkor

    Kirkman said they couldn't smell them under the cars because that's not how it works. He said they don't smell a human scent, but rather are able to decipher humans from zombies not only by appearance, but because they don't smell dead and rotting. So them hiding out of sight under the cars isn't an inconsistency because the zombies couldn't see or smell them.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:48 p.m. CST

    people having trouble with the smell issue

    by Thomas

    I feel like you are stubbornly not understanding it on purpose. They don't hunt people by smell, but they can use smell to tell the difference between a person and a zombie. I don't think it can be put any plainer. As for Michael Rooker, I'm pretty sure Kirkman has explicitly stated that he will not be the governor, so there is that.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST

    How do zombies with no noses smell?

    by Knobules

    Terrible! ZING!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST

    stuff...

    by Chad

    How does saying they can smell the difference between a person and a zombie solve the issue? I agree with you completely. So instead of smelling that the people under the cars were not zombies, and were in fact living people, they didn't apparently smell anything out of the ordinary (ie, living people). This is a problem. Either the episode last season where they made a big deal about the zombies smelling people was wrong, or this episode was wrong, but THEY CAN'T BOTH BE RIGHT. And that shoves me right out of the episode as we now have two instances that contradict each other, and the rules can change from episode to episode...so who cares WHAT happens? As for the crucifix and the church, it IS a cheat, and I did notice it, as did a lot of other people. But by that time...what does another obvious problem with the story matter? The problem isn't between "make it a catholic church even though that is unrealistic for the location", or "throw in a crucifix in a baptist church and no one will care". The PROBLEM is that the writers should have realized that this idea JUST DOESN'T WORK, and came up with something else! You don't force an unreasonable circumstance into your story just because you haven't thought it through well enough. Not only is the crucifix a clunky symbol to throw into the story (given the context makes it out-of-place...although I did like his line about "love, pity, or maybe just indifference"), but Rick's appeal to the divine to find a child who is not his after a search that seemed a bit too short...smacked of jumping to emotions before there was sufficient reason for them. If they were going to have a scene like that, it should have been AFTER his kid was shot, not before. Which highlights another problem in my mind--why is Rick so angst ridden over this, and the mother of the child didn't even follow her child when the child ran into the woods! Yeah, I know, that other woman held her back with one arm. Tell me again why I'm supposed to feel bad for her? Also re: the church. Perhaps they had died in the church. So why didn't they follow the bell sound outside, as all the zombies seem to follow loud sounds? Why didn't they leave to feed? Why are they just...sitting there? For days/weeks? (The only answer that keeps springing to mind is because the writer thought it would be cool...and that's not a good enough reason.)

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:21 p.m. CST

    JacobFromLost

    by D.Vader

    They didn't make a big deal about zombies smelling people (give me an example). They made a big deal about the smell giving away a living person when they are walking amongst the zombies. If anyone can find an example of zombies using smell to hunt, I'll consider the case closed. But as it stands, in the episode GUTS, the zombies only used their sense of smell to differentiate the humans amongst all the bodies in the streets.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Agree with Big Dumb Ape about the RV!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Why are they traveling in a rundown, always need fixing, gas guzzler? It doesn't makes sense when they could steal an SUV or van. This show needs to take a few steps from ZombieLand.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    More JacobFromLost

    by D.Vader

    but Rick's appeal to the divine to find a child who is not his after a search that seemed a bit too short...smacked of jumping to emotions before there was sufficient reason for them. If they were going to have a scene like that, it should have been AFTER his kid was shot, not before.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST

    And why, Jacob...

    by D.Vader

    Is a crucifix "clunky"?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:28 p.m. CST

    jacob- the smell

    by Thomas

    In the first season episode, the zombies SAW the two survivors, then tried to use their sense of smell to determine if they were food. In the second season premiere the zombies did not see anything, so nothing they smelled seemed important. See potential food, smell potential food. I don't go into my refrigerator trying to smell out some food, I look for it first.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:33 p.m. CST

    hollywood- the RV

    by Thomas

    It's a bit more clear in the comic books, but the RV is used because it is something that they can take with them and feel safe, or at least safer in to sleep anywhere at night. Yes the gas guzzling/mobility is a problem, but the benefits of being able to use the roof as a lookout/transporting more people/basically having 4 walls to sleep in outweigh the issues.

  • I think Walking Dead has great camera work, great effects, great cast, etc. What bugs me is the Zombies. I noticed how healthy their ankles looked while shumbling past our heroes hiding beneath the cars. Then, I got to thinking: If zombies are 'rotting corpses', wouldnt the smell of them comming towards you en mass tip you off? And if you can kill them with a blow to the brain, wouldnt you always have at least a machette on hand, 24/7? And since their bite is lethal, all you need is to wear motocross gear-the zombie would never have the bite force to puncture it, giving you ample time to crush its skull. I also dont get why their blood is not congealed but instead is still liquid??? And would'nt you always have somebody on point at all times? Cool show, but even fantastic fiction must adhere to some sort of rules of operation.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Smells

    by Bedhead7

    If the dead first distinguish food by visual reference, why should the survivors EVER need to hide their smell? Shambling like a zombie should then be enough to fool them. If you are somehow spotted by a zombie, just run around the corner, then lay down dead on the ground. In this world, the zombie will walk past because he has lost his visual cue.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:37 p.m. CST

    jacobfromlost, it's a show about a zombie apocalypse

    by Mattman

    And you're questioning realism? Yes, three zombies sitting in a church staring mindlessly at a cross is pretty chilling, if you ask me. And the way they all rise at the same time? I don't give a fuck if that's realistic or not, but it was cool as hell. We don't know exactly what's going on with the zombies yet. So questioning whether or not that scene is contrived is a bit premature.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Ah fuck, I forgot to use quotes correctly... Jacob From Lost

    by D.Vader

    You - "but Rick's appeal to the divine to find a child who is not his after a search that seemed a bit too short...smacked of jumping to emotions before there was sufficient reason for them. If they were going to have a scene like that, it should have been AFTER his kid was shot, not before." First off, it makes more sense to have this scene BEFORE his kid is shot. Its better storytelling to have a character breakdown in one scene, ask for hope, and lead the audience to expect to find a "sign" before tearing all those expectations asunder in the next. Pushing Rick to the point where he is willing to pray out loud to a Bloody Jesus and then following that with a scene that would destroy what faith he had left does more for the character than your idea, which shuffles the events around, especially in regards to the ending of the episode. If the kid gets shot, then Rick prays, and then it ends... well it just doesn't have the right "oomph", it doesn't have the right nihilistic feel to it, you know? Damn, I wrote this out a LOT better in my previous post which got deleted. As for why Rick would feel guilty over the missing kid, you KNOW the answer. You watched the previous episodes, right? Then you know that he has been set up as a character that feels a responsibility for everyone he interacts with. This is why he goes back for Merle, why he goes back for the guns and walkie talkie, why he goes back for Glen, and especially why he goes after the girl. He told the girl to hide and he left the girl behind. It doesn't matter what the mom did or didn't do: in Rick's mind, he was the last person responsible for her and he failed to get her back to her mom. Its not that hard to figure out. And as for the search being "too short", not true. It was at least a day, by my count: afternoon and evening one day, morning-afternoon at the time of the prayer. That's a long time to search for a little girl who should have made it back by now, especially when they are a group that *needs* to keep moving to survive.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    As for zombies in the church...

    by D.Vader

    Have you guys never seen Dawn of the Dead? This is a complaint, really?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:40 p.m. CST

    uberman, that's every single zombie story... ever

    by D.Vader

    Yeah, the blood is still liquid, yeah that doesn't make much sense, but then again, shooting zombies and not getting any sort of blood spurt is extremely disappointing. That's every zombie movie ever made.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Except zombies have memory, bedhead7

    by D.Vader

    Zombies remember which entrance you took to get into a building and remember you are inside; that's why they continue to fight to get in. Based on that, I doubt a zombie is just going to forget what you look like because you ran around a corner and laid down.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    d.vader, thank you!

    by Mattman

    It's okay that thousands of zombies are flocking mindlessly to a mall with a few people locked inside (when there is plenty of food elsewhere), but it's not okay that a few zombies wandered into a church and sat down?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:42 p.m. CST

    bedhead

    by Thomas

    Zombies use sight as their primary way of distinguishing food from not food, therefore when they lose sight of something they forget what they just saw?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I think some of you are thinking about this way too much

    by D.Vader

    Which is fun, sometimes, in the zombie genre. But if you overthink things too much, eventually it lessens your enjoyment of the subject. Because if you overthink zombies, the whole thing falls apart. So either you just enjoy the ride like with every other story, or you just sit back and complain and treat this series differently than you treat every other piece of zombie fiction, which seems a bit unfair to me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    by Bedhead7

    I am saying the zombie rule of sight triggers smell makes no sense in light of the fact the survivors spent half an episode covering themselves in zombie guts. If the zombies will not use smell until they have visually identified "living food", all that needs to be done is either walk like a zombie or don't move at all. The smell thing is secondary and can be bypassed by easier means then covering your entire body in zombie guts.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:50 p.m. CST

    And, you know...you guys who need for one episode or the other to be wrong...

    by Charlie_Sheens_Coke_Numbed_Penis

    The entrails episode from last season could have it ALL wrong. They TRIED something like coating themselves with blood and guts in the hopes it might fool a close encounter but in the end when it started raining, they panicked and started running which TOTALLY gave them away to the zombies... SO, maybe the entrails did NOTHING...maybe the 'walkers' only noticed them when they bolted and have NO sense of smell at all. Hell only half of them have noses to begin with...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Naggers Annoys You, thanks and while it make sense...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    you can still get that with a caravan of SUV! Just post someone on watch and still be able to take off at an instant. Plus more manuverabiltiy and less gas consumption. And while its not roomie like an RV, you can pull the seats back or take out to give you the needed room to sleep.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:53 p.m. CST

    It's like some of you have never seen a zombie movie before

    by Mattman

    The analysis of zombie metabolism and mentality is hysterical.

  • They don't. If you start analyzing how zombies function, it's the stupidest thing ever. That's nothing new. Walking Dead did not invent zombies. Anyway, this talkback is particularly gripe-infested, so I think I'll excuse myself.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    bedhead

    by Thomas

    Just think of it as though anything moving could potentially be food to them, so they move on to another of their senses. Or possibly it is as charlie_sheens says, and they thought they were being clever and really weren't. My main point is, if people are going to take issue with parts of the show, it should be parts of the show that actually don't make sense or are bad, and I'm not saying those things aren't there.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6 p.m. CST

    Ninja zombies return!

    by 11ZOMBIES

    It was so obvious Kirkman was one of the writers on this episode- the ninja zombies from Season 1- you remember, the ones that were able to sneak into a camp in the woods without any of the humans hearing them approaching- made a return appearance! Kirkman wrote that episode as well. Sure, it's a nice sequence visually- but the logistics don't work out. If the "herd" was the size that the wide crane shot revealed, then Rick and The RV Guy would have seen them coming waaaaay before they did. Just like last season so far- great zombie makeup, some epic shots, but seriously lackluster in the scripting.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:06 p.m. CST

    hollywood

    by Thomas

    It seems you and I will be heading for the same vehicle come a zombie apocalypse. I'll ride shotgun. Seriously, RV wouldn't be my top choice either, but that is one of the main elements of the comics... choices. They don't always make good ones, but they make what they think are the best choices they can in the circumstances. People are flawed, including Rick who has the position of leadership foisted upon him, and it takes a toll. Every decision that doesn't work out weighs on him heavily, and you can begin to see that flesh out in last night's premiere with the little girl. He couldn't bear the thought of losing her after he left her alone. I feel like the show actually took a step forward in terms of dialogue (monologue is a different story). I thought the scene with Lori telling everybody off for blaming Rick for stuff was particularly strong, as well as some other bits of dialogue that I liked. Anyways, generally liked it, obviously.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:19 p.m. CST

    more stuff

    by Chad

    d. vader: explain the difference between "smelling a person", and "smelling that a person is not a zombie". I see no difference. d. vader: yes, a crucifix is a clunky symbol. It's "on the nose" (since we're talking about smell, lol), and it is also misplaced in a baptist church (hence, it doesn't fit in the story well, hence it is CLUNKY). It's also somewhat of an insult that the writers just figured the audience would be too dumb to notice the problem. naggers annoy you: You are rationalizing. You don't need to see something to smell it. If a zombie could SMELL a human in the rain--just walking next to them--then why oh why can't they smell sweaty, stinky people hiding under vehicles? Even *I* can smell stinky people, and I can't smell people in the rain! lol bedhead7: You are right. If the smell didn't matter, why didn't they just shuffle along without the "guts" last season? Mattman: I AM questioning realism. It's the only thing that holds a show like this together. If there ARE no rules to the storytelling, why am I watching it? (Last year was very realistic all the way through.) d. vader: I see what your saying about setting up expectations and then cutting against them. I just didn't have your expectations. I knew the kid would die as soon as he started acting brave and bold, when he didn't act that way at all last year. Moreover, the church scene was not yet EARNED. They just inserted it, knowing how they would end the show. Unfortunately I suspected I already knew how they were going to end the show, and it turned out I did know...and NONE of it worked. d. vader: you don't put the kid getting shot, then the prayer, THEN the end of the episode. You skip the prayer altogether, end with the kid shot, and OPEN the next episode with the prayer. THEN it would feel earned. It did not feel earned where they had it. d. vader: I did watch the other episodes, and I do remember how he went back for Merle, but all of that was fleshed out AT THE TIME. It wasn't fleshed out here. I don't even know what that little girl's name was, do you? Rick never even mentioned her name (did the MOTHER even mention her name? I don't remember that either). It's as if the writers said, "it's a little girl, therefore you have to care". Why? Give her some personality, have Rick flesh out some emotional connection with the mother in regard to the daughter. SOMETHING. His angst-ridden prayer wasn't earned by the story or the characters. d. vader: it WAS too short, storywise. There was no feeling that they had searched much at all. They found a tent. They found a zombie and cut it open. Then they found the church. Did I miss anything? Did any of those things develop any emotional tension at all? No, as I don't know anything about that girl, and none of the other characters seem to care EITHER except for the fact that she is a "little girl". That's not enough to earn Rick an angst ridden prayer that makes me care one way or another about it. Mattman: the mall zombies were an allegory. The 3 zombies in the church do not conform to the rules the show has already established (rules that didn't apply to the mall zombies in another film with different rules). d. vader: thinking about the show did NOT lessen my enjoyment of the show last year. In fact, it was the only reason I was WATCHING the show last year. Without the intelligent writing, all you have is a bunch of zombies. Who cares about that? bedhead7: you are smart. Exactly. What is the point of "guts" if smell is irrelevant? Either smell is relevant or it is not relevant, but it can't be relevant in one scene, and irrelevant in another. That's called CHEATING the audience and assuming we are morons that won't know the difference.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by Chad

    ...I thought the scene with Lori telling everybody off for blaming Rick for stuff was particularly strong, ... I agree. (I think it would have worked better if I had the sense that Rick was in charge during the events in this episode. I know he was ostensibly in charge, but a lot of things were happening totally outside of his control...and the only time he seemed to give directions to anyone else was to the girl, and that didn't seem to work out at all.)

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    jacob

    by Thomas

    I'll try to explain it another way... they don't find the smell of humans appealing as food, so they could smell a human all day and not go after it. But they certainly can recognize the smell of each other as NOT food, which is why they don't go around gnawing on each other all the time. It's like seeing a piece of meat that looks like meat but smells like shit... you ain't gonna eat it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:27 p.m. CST

    No brain activity = no smell, vision interpretation

    by E. D.

    I know there are silly leaps everywhere anyhow with zombie rules, but how in any conceivable explanation does a completely BRAINDEAD organism interpret smells at all? They wouldn't matter, although you have to allow for notice by visual difference/movement and maybe sound vibration since it is cannon in all zombie actions ever scripted. So the only explanation *should* be that they overthought the situation in season 1 and covering themselves didn't actually do anything from a smell POV. But when it washed off they *did* notice them, so it must have been visual difference/movement that caused that zombie reaction. Although with either sense it is ridiculous to imagine it mattering or doing anything with no brain to do anything with the eye or nose (or mouth since it can affect smell also) information. Since you have to allow for vision interpretation to work or you wouldn't even have a show, the only answer has to be that visual movement and noise vibration are the only thing they are drawn to. So they better not EVER try to bring smelling into it again. And stop letting people do stupid things like get blood and tissue all over themselves, when they know a living person who otherwise would survive a skin puncture still DIES FROM EVEN A SMALL INFECTION FROM A ZOMBIE SOURCE (TS-19 anyone?). This virus or whatever it is is more virulent than Ebola, and would you do the stupid things they do to people who have Ebola near you? No, you put on quarantine gear like in the CDC EPs and that is how you come anywhere near it. One cell/particle of that stuff could kill you, so naturally they fucking bath in it by getting literally covered in blood, tissue, pull bodies onto themselves KISSING the damn corpse, and with a huge open wound just for good measure. Oh, and make sure you WIPE YOUR DAMN NOSE WITH YOUR BLOODY SLEEVE/HANDS a few times too. Please start making the cast do sensical things that *any* average audience member would "duh" on.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    huh?

    by Chad

    What evidence from this show do you have that the zombies don't want to eat humans? They bit a chunk out of Amy. They bit a chunk out of that other dude's stomach. Not to mention the fact that if they don't want to eat humans...then why are the humans afraid of them? What is the threat?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    jacob

    by Thomas

    to clarify, I didn't say they don't want to eat humans, I just said the smell of humans isn't something that they recognize as food, i.e. if they smell a person without seeing a person, its just another smell to them. Otherwise hiding anywhere nearby would never work, which it does. We aren't getting anywhere though, I give up.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:38 p.m. CST

    naggers

    by DewMan89

    The steak analogy works for me.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:42 p.m. CST

    by Chad

    quote...to clarify, I didn't say they don't want to eat humans, I just said the smell of humans isn't something that they recognize as food... unquote So they DO want to eat humans, they just don't recognize the smell of humans as food? Again, I say, huh? The scene in "Guts" seems to contradict that, since, as soon as the zombies smelled them, they wanted to eat them. quote..., i.e. if they smell a person without seeing a person, its just another smell to them....unquote I may be misremembering, but I seem to remember that in "Guts", the zombies were hanging around outside a particular door simply because they smelled people inside. quote... Otherwise hiding anywhere nearby would never work, which it does....unquote Well, smelling from 5 feet away as established in "Guts", and smelling from hundreds of feet or miles away...is not the same thing. quote... We aren't getting anywhere though, I give up....unquote Ok.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:43 p.m. CST

    dewman89

    by Thomas

    I'm glad to hear my shotgun approach to explaining zombie sense of smell hit somebody!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Can we agree

    by Bedhead7

    The zombie smelling/target acquisition rules are vague right now? Especially for people who do not read the comics or interviews with the shows creators?

  • For a minute, just forget the rules arguments, detailed minutae and such. The CHARACTERS think a microscopic virus, organism, particle, whatever will kill them and turn them into a zombie - they've seen it happen, they see the results of civilization ruined uniformly from it - so they should think that the uber-last thing on planet Earth they want on their body/skin/clothes is any part of a zombie ... ... and so they whack them to death ... REPEATEDLY hacking ... with no concern for anything at all splattering into any orifice on their body (and that's assuming it can't diffuse through skin, which even if it can't THEY DON'T KNOW THAT). And don't try to say "Well, the CDC guy probably whispered 'you all already have it in you' to Rick". Even if he did, Rick obviously hasn't told anyone else yet, and from what I see they are all still enjoying wearing zombie blood and guts like its makeup.

  • In fact if there's a bottom rung then I'm most definitely on it. Well, okay, maybe one rung above the writers. Sorry, old hollywood joke there. But yeah, I'm just a lowly set monkey, nothing more, nothing special. Worked mostly low to moderate budget and tv stuff over the years doing the standard grunt work. No one will have heard of me, but I won't go into any greater detail, because on the occasion that I hear scuttlebut and pass it on I don't want to land anyone else in trouble, and if anyone read it who might be in a position to know me then they would also have a fair idea who I know, and have a good idea where I might have heard something, or at least jump to conclusions in certain directions. And people in the business do tend to hold on to their grudges unfortunately, founded or otherwise, and with work hard enough to come by these days for a lot of folks, I'm not about to risk putting anyone in the shit just because I'm mouthy online sometimes. Anyway, moving on...

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Jacob, you are misremembering

    by D.Vader

    There is not a single scene in the first season in which zombies are shown hanging outside a particular door because they "smell" humans inside. There is also not a single scene in which we see zombies using smell to hunt. The *only* time we see zombies smelling is when they were close to humans covered in guts. And when the rain washed that off and the humans started panicking and rushing, that's when the zombies started realizing they were human. I'd respond to more, but alas, no time. Just wanted to make sure that's clear for you and for everyone else. There is NO scene where zombies use smell to hunt.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Also, here's how to properly quote in the body

    by D.Vader

    You have to put text before the "___". So in the future, you can do something like this: You- "blah blah blah". And there you go! If you open up a post with "____", that's when things get fucked up. Stupid AICN!

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Yes bedhead

    by DewMan89

    I agree that it is very vague. For genre shows like this, I wish they would hammer out stuff like "how do zombies recognize humans as non-zombies?" before hand, put it in a rule book, force all TWD screen writers to read it, and make sure their own rules are never broken.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST

    huh?

    by Chad

    quote...There is NO scene where zombies use smell to hunt. ...unquote Check out time 29:00+ in episode "Guts". There are two zombies hanging out just a few yards from the door they open, covered in guts. Why are the zombies hanging out there if they don't smell the humans? Happenstance?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 6:59 p.m. CST

    All the Complaints and Worry over changes

    by SuperXY

    Some of the complaints on here are completely ridiculous. So many complaints about how zombies are "supposed to" act. Complaints about whether zombie blood should be liquid, or if they can hear, blank blah, blah.... It may be hard to understand this, but zombies don't actually exist. Every zombie story can exist in its own universe with its own set of zombie rules. Get over it. These are Kirkman's zombies, not the Dead series or 28 Days Later or any number of others. The church bells complaint is hilarious. Sometimes in a tv show time doesn't pass at a consistent rate. The time they first heard the bells and the subsequent times they heard them obviously spanned much longer than a few minutes. They had gotten to the church and fought and who knows what else. Every second of real time is not actually shown on any program not called 24. So please stop bringing it up. You're embarrassing yourselves without realizing it. But most importantly, is no one else extremely concerned by how far this is departing from the comic books? There are so many relatively massive differences with regard to character actions that it is almost unbelievable that Kirkman had something to do with the writing. I see that ultimately they are traveling to the same locations, but the things happening along the way are incredibly different. I am very afraid this show is gonna sell out to popularity the way True Blood did after the first season.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Anyone know how well it did in the ratings?

    by Steven Carrita

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST

    You're reaching Jacob

    by D.Vader

    I'm not sure exactly which scene you mention, but there are zombies all over the place in Atlanta (are you talking about when the survivors come out with bats and kill them?) Saying "well these two must have smelled humans" is grasping at straws. You may as well say they are there because they followed a zombie whistle. And if you are talking about the scene after Rick and Glenn emerge covered in guts, if there are two zombies there as well, that can just as easily be explained as A) happenstance bc there are zombies everywhere or B) zombies responding to the noise of slamming doors from earlier when the humans emerged twice (one to kill the zombies, once more to drag them inside). If you look, there are zombies in the background. Not out of the realm of reason to think they are responding to the sound. Again, there is NO scene in which we see zombies *hunting* by smell.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:06 p.m. CST

    by Chad

    You: "Some of the complaints on here are completely ridiculous. So many complaints about how zombies are "supposed to" act." That's not my complaint AT ALL. My complaint is that they established rules about how zombies behave IN THIS STORY, and then promptly broke the rule when it was convenient. You: The church bells complaint is hilarious. Sometimes in a tv show time doesn't pass at a consistent rate. The time they first heard the bells and the subsequent times they heard them obviously spanned much longer than a few minutes. They had gotten to the church and fought and who knows what else. Every second of real time is not actually shown on any program not called 24. So please stop bringing it up. You're embarrassing yourselves without realizing it. Are you suggesting I'm supposed to imagine a bunch of zombie fights between the first time they heard the church bells, and the second time they heard the church bells, so that when Rick is filled with angst and praying for help, it makes more sense because I'm imagining a bunch of zombie fighting that was never shown nor implied on screen? I think you are embarrassing YOURSELF without knowing it. You: But most importantly, is no one else extremely concerned by how far this is departing from the comic books? There are so many relatively massive differences with regard to character actions that it is almost unbelievable that Kirkman had something to do with the writing. I see that ultimately they are traveling to the same locations, but the things happening along the way are incredibly different. I am very afraid this show is gonna sell out to popularity the way True Blood did after the first season. Do you recommend I skip the show and read the comics? I've never read the comics.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:08 p.m. CST

    lol

    by Chad

    You: Again, there is NO scene in which we see zombies *hunting* by smell. yeah, except for that time the zombies smelled them after the rain washed way their zesty zombie smell... and tried to eat them! lol

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    bedhead

    by Thomas

    I can certainly see where the problems arose. There hasn't really been enough time or enough instances to establish the supposed "rules" of this zombie apocalypse yet. So yeah, I can agree that it's vague, but to be fair I don't think we are supposed to have concrete answers, at least not yet.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    my other post disappeared again...

    by Chad

    You: Again, there is NO scene in which we see zombies *hunting* by smell. yeah, except for that time the rain washed away that zesty zombie sludge from our heros and the zombies smelled them... ...and promptly tried to eat them! lol The zombies are not really bright. If smelling someone and trying to eat them doesn't count as hunting for them, then they don't hunt AT ALL. They just wander around, find something worth eating, and eat it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:12 p.m. CST

    as for blood spatter *SPOILERS from the comic books*

    by Thomas

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:16 p.m. CST

    As for blood splatter *SPOILERS from the comic book*

    by Thomas

    Woops, try that again. In the comic books... *again possible SPOILERS, everyone* You don't need to be bitten in order to turn, you just have to die. Either the infection is always present, or you can be contaminated and not turn until after death. *end spoilers* To my recollection, I don't think it has yet been confirmed on the show that blood contamination causes infection, only a bite/dying from a bite has been shown to do that so far.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Jacob now you're just being ignorant

    by D.Vader

    The zombies weren't hunting in that scene. Its clear as day. Humans were walking shoulder to shoulder with them, panicking as the guts were washed away by the rain, and we saw the zombies were starting to notice them (they were both moving very un-zombie-like and also were not smelling very dead-like anymore either). And this backs up my (and others') previous point that the zombies can smell the difference between themselves and fresh humans, but that does not mean they use that smell to hunt. There is no scene in which we see zombies sniffing the air to find humans. No scene in which we see zombies smelling near doorways and deducing humans are behind them. This is getting laughable.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I'm not ignorant YOUR ignorant...

    by Chad

    ...of how zombies act in this show! lol If the zombie can smell something, identify it, and it is something they want to eat... THEN THAT IS HUNTING! The zombies are not "sniffing the air". They don't need to do that, as all the evidence in the show suggests they can only smell people from a few feet away. Which means they SHOULD have smelled the people under the vehicles. But they didn't. (And by the way, you can't be "ignorant" of things that don't exist in reality, lol. All we have is the evidence in the show, and now that evidence is self contradictory...which makes me sad.)

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Jacob, you ignorant slut!

    by DewMan89

    Haha. Anyone on here old enough to remember that? Sorry Jacob, i didn't mean anything by it. Just a joke.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:27 p.m. CST

    re: ignorant sluts

    by Chad

    You: Haha. Anyone on here old enough to remember that? me: Sadly, yes. I am old enough to remember that. I'm so glad Chevy has "Community" now. He had a dry spell there for a decade or two.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Quote from "guts" episode

    by Bedhead7

    From the conversation right before the survivors cover themselves in zombie guts. 24:28 Rick: "They are drawn by sound, right?" Glenn: "Right, like dogs. They hear sound, they come" Rick: "What else?" Morales: "Aside from they hear you? See you, smell you. If they catch you they eat you." Rick: "They can tell us by smell?" Glenn: "Can't you?" Andrea: "They smell dead, we don't. It's...pretty distinct." From this conversation I would assume smell is enough to trigger the zombies agro. However, watching the guts scene scene, I think it could go both ways. The zombies do start looking around when the guts wash off like they smell something "alive" around BEFORE they target the two. Who knows.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Also is the lack of smell a smell?

    by Bedhead7

    Because it seems to be the absence or negative of rotting smell that triggers the zombies, not the positive existence of human smell.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    You really want to argue semantics now, Jacob?

    by D.Vader

    Over what constitutes "hunting"? Heh. If you're not getting it now, you won't get it later. You're being far too stubborn on this subject, and yes, you are acting ignorant because you are ignoring the facts that have been laid before you. There is no such scene of zombies hunting by smell. The only instance in which we even see zombies using a sense of smell is when they ignore humans covered in zombie guts. Guts start disappearing, zombies start realizing those other "walking dead" figures amongst them (inches away) are smelling different. Zombies can tell a difference between the dead and the living by smell. There is nothing, NOTHING to suggest zombies can simply smell out the living; all we've seen is that when faced with a human figure, the zombie can smell a difference. You have yet to prove me wrong.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    good grief...

    by Chad

    quote: Morales: "Aside from they hear you? See you, smell you. If they catch you they eat you." Good grief. How long have I been arguing this when I could have just posted these three lines from the show? It's sorta funny when you think about it.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:31 p.m. CST

    redgiant

    by Thomas

    I do, by the way, agree that getting anything zombie related would probably be a high priority for the zombie survivors, not knowing how the infection works. However, facing a choice between getting ripped to pieces by a zombie and getting some zombie on you, I'm guessing you choose a little zombie shower every time.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Morales is an expert on zombies?

    by D.Vader

    And his evidence to back up his statement is "Can't you?" (smell the difference). Yes, case closed indeed.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST

    11 million total viewers

    by john

    By the time Sunday night closed and AMC had aired The Walking Dead: Season 2 premiere three consecutive times, roughly 11 million total viewers tuned in to watch a herd of zombies wreck havoc on a small band of disheveled survivors.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:35 p.m. CST

    No YOU'RE not getting it and are stubborn, lol

    by Chad

    You: If you're not getting it now, you won't get it later. You're being far too stubborn on this subject, and yes, you are acting ignorant because you are ignoring the facts that have been laid before you. Me: You are the stubborn one. Just give up. I have won this argument. The zombies should have smelled the people under the vehicles. And what I would have LOVED to have seen was how our band of survivors tried to get out of it. THAT would have been a writing exercise worth undertaking, and a story worth watching if done well. It would have also been difficult. Too difficult, apparently, for the writers to tackle.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Again, I see why there is confusion

    by Thomas

    But I think the real problem is people took too much as fact from a scene involving speculation and nothing more. The great majority of the facts from the show should lead people to believe that zombies don't smell you, they see or hear you.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    I know you are but what am I? Really?

    by D.Vader

    You really just resorted to that kind of response, Jacob? How silly.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST

    And with that, I'll declare this argument finished

    by D.Vader

    I have won this argument.

  • Because you never did prove me wrong. ... "I have won this argument."

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:45 p.m. CST

    You are wrong about winning, since I have won

    by Chad

    You: I have won this argument. Me: You would say that, being that you are so often wrong in your statements and conclusions. Being wrong about your winning, I therefore win, as it is the only other option available. Anyone wanna make bets on if Carl (is that the kid's name?) survives? Dies? Dies and becomes a zombie that Rick has to shoot? I really hope the kid becomes a zombie and forces a decision. There is no way a kid could survive a gut wound like that with no experts around. Since the story has demonstrated it isn't so great thus far, my guess is that the kid WILL survive, as that is the worst storytelling choice possible, and that a doctor, former pre-med student, veterinarian, or nurse will spend an episode fixing him up while Rick redeems himself by finding the little girl. That is the WORST possible story, and the easiest to write, so that's likely what will happen. I'll pray I'm wrong to a crucifix in a baptist church.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Still going?

    by D.Vader

    . "I've won this argument!" . "No, I HAVE!" . "You can't say that, because *I* WON!" Heh.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:48 p.m. CST

    As for the kid being shot

    by D.Vader

    Its from the comics. We know what happens.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:50 p.m. CST

    by Bedhead7

    I can only hope the kid is dead, but I agree, they will probably keep him alive. Just used the shooting for a cheap cliffhanger ending. It would be nice to get out of this "parenting during the zombie apocalypse" plot clogging up most of the show.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:52 p.m. CST

    comics?

    by Chad

    You: Its from the comics. We know what happens. Me: I must have gotten close to SOMETHING right, because you sure our silent about it. If the story is good, the kid dies. If the story is not good, the kid lives. Can you tell me if the comic is a good story or a bad story? lol Put a spoiler warning in the subject line for upcoming episodes if you want. I don't mind being spoiled this season.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Don't be daft, Jacob

    by D.Vader

    I don't spoil things for people. That's what my silence implies. Anything else you infer is as crazy as your ridiculous example of zombies hanging around an alley way because they must have smelled humans (again- ridiculous). As for your above statement on the kid living or dying, its such a foolish blanket statement. A story is only good if a kid lives or dies? How immature.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 7:56 p.m. CST

    What holds this show back

    by Series7

    I think is the lead guy, should've gone American. The acting in this show is pretty weak all around, and that drudgy cheap looking sepia style just drain all the fun out of it. I wonder if the show would've just been better in black and white. <P></P> Also I'm starting to notice this more and more with shows.....a half hour wouldn't fucking kill you. Too much boring shit gets dragged in, especially with this hour and a half. Keep it a tight 30 with maybe a few hour longs here and there, it would help with the pacing and tension immensely. Check out Dead Set and what they did with mostly 35 minute episodes. Much tighter and actually scary if you let your self get into it, Walking Dead drags on too hard to ever really get scary/build tension.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:02 p.m. CST

    no YOU'RE immature!

    by Chad

    You:As for your above statement on the kid living or dying, its such a foolish blanket statement. A story is only good if a kid lives or dies? Me: We know the kid gets shot in the gut. We know they are in the middle of a zombie apocalypse with no hospitals, doctors, 911, or ambulances. That means the kid dies. The only way the kid could live is if someone who is A) alive, and B) very close, has some C) very specialized knowledge, instruments, and conditions that are extremely improbable for anyone nearby to have. It has nothing to do with immaturity you poopy head.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I was not disappointed in the episode at all

    by dukeroberts

    I kinda hope the kid becomes a zombie and has to have his brain crushed. Not out of any sick love of blood or anything, but I think it would make a more interesting story. Kids always survive stuff like this in movies and on TV. It would be nice to see something different for a change.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Huge Ratings for TWD, now AMC may piss those new viewers away

    by CCon99

    Easily their biggest show and they very well may go and ruin the 2nd half of this season by cutting the budget and taking shortcuts so they can give more money to Mad Men, that doesn't even break 3 million in TOTAL viewers. If they botch those record numbers come the end of the season, heads need to roll over at AMC. I really hope I'm wrong and they prove us all wrong with the rest of this season, but why chance ruining a good thing when you have it and it's working for you?

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Loved it, would like to see the original hour as written

    by Turingtestee

    Even if it was just them hiding under cars quietly whimpering and making drama eyes to each other for most of its run time. Ballsy, might have played better as episode 3 or 4 after a few zombie-less hours.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 8:44 p.m. CST

    all i here is wah wah wah

    by jsfithaca

    sure its no breaking bad or game of thrones. but that was still a mad good episode and I've liked every ep so far including vatos. it seems pretty much what people are saying is oh their developing character instead of having people killing zombies every single second. ill admit the love triangle thing has gotten excessive, but he's supposedly leaving soon.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by slappy magoo

    "Crash" was a Starz series, not Showtime. Figures. Relatively successful shows like Dexter & Weeds are often referred to as HBO series, yet something everyone avoided like Crash? THAT, Showtime gets credit for.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 9:26 p.m. CST

    "developing character"= boredom

    by gumbyandpokey

    Where is the interesting "character development?" Who are the interesting characters? Is the love triangle interesting? The kids interesting? The monologues interesting? Daryl is the only person who isn't whiny, boring, or irritating.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Possible anagrams for "Ardeth Bey"....

    by lloyddoblerlives

    They're bad He, btrayed Bye hatred Try behead Earthy bed

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:33 p.m. CST

    boring as fuck + bad acting =

    by lostboytexas

    the walking dead

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:52 p.m. CST

    lostboytexass has a point

    by boyalien

    These fucking actors could be handed Shakespeare and recite it woodenly. Worst ensemble cast of any show in recent memory.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:54 p.m. CST

    maybe

    by boyalien

    next Sunday I'll record WD, so as NOT to watch it right after Boardwalk Empire. Going from BE to WD is like going from the spa to the dump.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 10:56 p.m. CST

    @jacobfromlost

    by 11ZOMBIES

    Do you really think that they will kill off the kid so early? It's not in Kirkman's playbook. He will try to keep the audience sympathetic to the kid as long as possible, if the comic is any indication. The kid is a dramatic tool, nothing more.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:03 p.m. CST

    jacobfromlost

    by boyalien

    Dude. The show has source material laid out for like the next 4 or 5 seasons at least. It's not really hard to figure out what happens to the kid. Anyone who says "He lives" or "He dies" without reading the source material just sounds like an idiot. If you wanna know, it's easy to figure out. If you don't, then don't go looking.

  • Oct. 17, 2011, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Don't like the Triumph of the Human Spirit angle

    by ennio

    It's starting to look like the whole concept of a zombie series is stale pickings. The suspense is already feeling repeated. So then they have to try for drama. Well, all of the forced emotion is laughable. I couldn't care less about any of these survivors and the more they try and force the issue, the more I wince and cringe. Steep fall after the pilot episode. Amp up the suspense, please.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:39 a.m. CST

    this is just another example

    by boyalien

    of a comic book that works like hellfire on the page in sequential panels, but does not translate to a TV series. They should be at the fucking prison by now. The suits never seemed to catch on that on average 1 of these books equals about 20 minutes of screen time. We should be into issue 25 by now at least, and instead we're in some foggy area around issue 10.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST

    How is this show boring?

    by Nerd Rage

    A zombie can pop out and rip out throats at any moment. It the most tense 90 minutes you'll find anywhere on television.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:50 a.m. CST

    What I don't get about the complaining...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Is that it's way off balance. A lot of "haters" or just overly negative people seem to come here and just get mad. You don't like the characters or the dialogue... Others nitpick small things that no other movie or show has really done. "How do zombies smell or hear"... Fuck you how in the fuck are they alive and eating? It's fantasy. Why don't you nitpick the trash? Frankly that first episode was better than most shit you see on television. This is the problem when it comes to good shows or nerdy shows. Too many depressed nerds just rag on it endlessly. We need more shows like this and less shows like: Every reality program/Everything CBS has on. I get being critical... But some of you obviously watched it wanting to hate it. You writing flaming negative comments and then bash people who liked it... But then go "I'll give it two more episodes till..." Fuck you no one cares. If you think it's so bad stop watching... Oh wait then you can't bitch endlessly about it so of course you'll keep watching. It's hard to figure out the trolls from the angry nerds these days.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST

    you want tense?

    by boyalien

    look at Breaking Bad or Boardwalk Empire.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Angry nerd

    by boyalien

    Just saying, I've read about 70 issues of the comic so far, and as a result, this series has been increasingly disappointing to me since about episode 3. I have a lot of friends who watch it so I keep watching hoping for it to get better, and it just never fucking does.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST

    thedarkpassenger - where is Lennie James?

    by lv_426

    Massive spoiler below for anyone that hasn't seen Walking Dead season 2/ep. 1: How much you wanna bet that whoever fired the shot that hit the deer and Rick's son, will end up being the dude that Lennie James plays? Remember that Rick left some clues for him and his son? Maybe they had to get out of the house they were holed up in during the pilot episode?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Which way is the quality headed?

    by Steve

    I loved the first season. I hate the carry on of AMC and the budget/Darabont cutting. I hate demand to film 50% indoors to save money. I hate AMC questioning whether the audience needs to see zombies!!! WTF??? So (and I know it is hard to tell from just one episode), what is it looking like this season? As good as last year at least?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Anybody buy the season 2 premiere on iTunes?

    by Steve

    Does it have Dolby Digital 5.1? Those AMC douchebags only supplied season one to Apple with a stereo soundtrack.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Darabont being fired = Fuller quitting Heroes

    by mdk

    Ada all know where this is going to lead. Nice goinggo AMC, back to sucking Matt Weiner's dick!

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 7:25 a.m. CST

    A few more episode like this and those ratings will be but a distant memory

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I was one of those who defended generally really enjoyed the first season but Sundays episode was really disappointing. I hope the series takes an upswing over the next few weeks.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Dug the first season...

    by ZodNotGod

    I hope this one works out.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Was Darabont fired for pissing off religious folks?

    by V'Shael

    Zombie parishioners praying to a benevolent Zombie? (Jesus). It could have offended quite a few people.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Zombie senses and human smells

    by Hipshot

    I'd assume that zombies can see, and hear, and taste, and so forth, unless those receptors have been damaged. Human beings WOULD have a smell different from that of a zombie. Of course, the stench of rotting flesh is stronger, but sweat, pheromones and so forth are definitely odors of "living" things, and it would make sense that an organism seeking living flesh would be sensitized to that. Cover yourself with zombie guts and you not only "smell like" a zombie, but mask the human smell. So far as we know, zombies can smell BETTER than humans, unless olfactory receptors have rotted or been blown away. Hell, why not?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    to clarify

    by Chad

    I'm not an angry nerd. I don't just complain to complain. (And I'll note that the person who called some of us angry nerds did so in a post filled with expletives and "furious anger", as it were. Irony?) I liked season 1 all the way through. Season 2 might get better than the premiere. There were things I liked about the premiere, like the dialogue between Rick's wife and the others ("You want the gun? Take it", etc). I liked Rick's strategy of drawing the two walkers away from the little girl, I liked the fact that the little girl inexplicably disappeared. I liked the idea that they had to cut open a walker to make sure it didn't eat the girl. I liked Daryl not acting like a douche and actually helping in every situation. I liked the floated idea of "needs of the many vs. needs of the few", which could be exploited effectively very soon if no one finds the girl. I liked much of Rick's dialogue to the crucifix. It was the other stuff that I already pointed out, with others, ad nauseum, that I didn't like. And reading around the net, even on AMC's site, I'm not alone.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Cliche after Cliche..Oh No I`ve Fallen!

    by higgledyhiggles

    and i can`t be quiet. no wait I`ve tripped again while making loads of noise. Now i must run blindly off into the woods and...... and..... fall over. CLASSIC ! Not to mention, don`t fire a gun because zombies will hear but drive a car and crash it and they won`t. Magic Ears. I can suspend my disbelief, I cannot smash it into pieces and throw it into the garbage. I

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 11:47 a.m. CST

    forgot the `anakin` kid syndrome..

    by higgledyhiggles

  • the one who climbed up and INTO the RV, and the two who chased the little girl were actually running. My guess is that was the part Darabont wanted to reshoot.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Question / thoughts from Season 2 Opener

    by Rob

    OK, being from the south, NO Southern Baptist church has a crucifix with Jesus on it like that. That is a Catholic thing... Southern Baptists worship the Risen Christ, hence a plain cross with no Jesus... I can see why they did it though... when Rick is praying/ asking for a sign, it is more dramatic to have him doing it to an actual "Jesus" instead of just a cross. OK, now onto the part where they cut the zombie's stomach open to look for little parts of the girl... I guess I never really thought about it, but zombies are animated dead flesh, right?? So it stands to reason that their digestive system does not function anymore, right? I've never seen a zombie shit (that would actually be pretty funny.. I bet they wouldn't wipe) So if they are not digesting all that yummy live flesh they are eating, wouldn't it just build up in their stomach till it burst??

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:27 p.m. CST

    and I still can't figure out

    by Rob

    why the zombies won't all eat on each other... they have been shown to feast on dead things, why not chomp down on all the people walking around you?? and another thing... it seems that there would be very few zombies actually walking around with all their part and limbs attached. Think about it.. if a live person gets swarmed by a herd of zombies, they are always torn apart. SO, in order of all these millions of "whole" zombies to be walking around, they must have just gotten a small bite, but gotten away from the attacking zombies.. in order to then turn into one themselves... highly unlikely!

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST

    There are other problems with zombies

    by Hipshot

    beside the little behavioral ones. Like for instance, bringing dead things back to life would seem to violate the second law of thermodynamics. Once you go there, man...questions about why they don't eat each other, or whether they digest...are like band-aides on a cancer sore. Roll with it. They're a fun metaphor for fear of death and loss of identity and social chaos, and that's about it.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I've said it before...

    by Rob

    the best defense earth has against a zombie uprising is Superman. Think about it... the zombies can't bite or hurt his invulnerable skin, so they pose no threat to him. And ha can wipe out thousands of zombies at a time by incinerating them with his heat vision, or instantly freezing them with his freeze breath.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 4:28 p.m. CST

    harrison_fords_taint

    by Paul

    You had asked why the zombies do not eat each other. I may have an answer. Not saying I totally agree or anything but I did read an author try to take on that question once and it made "semi-sense". The zombies do not eat each other because they will not eat rotten meat. It was explained kind of in the same way that some animals will not eat meat that has spoiled. They will eat a fresh kill, but once the meat is spoiled, instinct takes over and they are no longer interested in it. However, that would definitely require them to be able to smell...which would negate the whole "hiding under the cars" scene lol.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Darabont's side of the story

    by deelzbub

    I would really like to hear what Darabont has to say about That "not usable" footage. What was exactly "not usable" about it?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:17 p.m. CST

    thermodynamics?

    by Chad

    You: beside the little behavioral ones. Like for instance, bringing dead things back to life would seem to violate the second law of thermodynamics. Me: someone needs to tell everyone that CPR doesn't work then, if it violates the laws of thermodynamics. (The laws of thermodynamics have nothing to do with life and death.)

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Unusable?

    by deelzbub

    Zombies praying to Catholic crucifix in a Baptist church? Pressing a zombie on an open wound? Too many African-American zombies? (Although near Atlanta, could be racially insensitive) Sprinting zombies in the woods? Zombies walking too slow thru woods? Haze present over all footage shot due to the extreme humidity in the summer South? Dumbass fake smile on kids face as he imagines a CG deer in front of him? Terrible fake southern accent from lead character?

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Old Church Cemeteries

    by deelzbub

    such as the one @ the Baptist church, frequently had a bell mounted in the cemetery itself, to call the community together to assist in the digging of the grave/burial. Really thought the girl was ringing the Cemetery bell. Another missed opportunity.

  • That is how the zombies pick out the living. That smell shit is ridiculous. I refuse to believe that zombies would have functioning sinuses.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Tearing open a zombie and looking for the stomach

    by deelzbub

    If they are all rotten inside, why assume the things they eat would even go to the stomach? I would figure it would just empty into the gut until it burst.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:48 p.m. CST

    unusable?

    by Chad

    I was wondering about this as well. I'm not sure how they do the "day for night" shots, but I seem to remember it has to be done "in camera". Perhaps they just shot the scenes that were in the "evening" without adjusting the camera, so that they are chatting away about how it will be dark soon in light that is clearly at high noon. (The shots in the show of the "evening" used that "day for night" technique, as you could clearly see distinct and short shadows.) Another possibility is that there may have been a scene that just had no transitions, or necessary shots were at inappropriate angles (violating the 180 degree rule with no alternative angles to use, etc). Other possibilities could be matching close ups to medium shots, etc. (If the medium shot of someone has blood smeared on their face, and the close up has no blood or the blood has clearly changed position...that could make the shots unusable, depending on how the shots need to be sequenced in order to make sense at all.) In any case, those would mistakes in directing that couldn't be fixed in the editing room, and would make the footage unusable.

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 5:51 p.m. CST

    lol

    by Chad

    You: That smell shit is ridiculous. I refuse to believe that zombies would have functioning sinuses. Me: But you believe they have functioning muscles to...you know, walk around and eat stuff? Functioning olfactory systems are far less impressive than functioning legs. (And they do make weird noises, grunting sounds, roars, etc, so obviously they are still capable of taking in air and expelling it.)

  • Oct. 18, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST

    thank you for those Ardeth Bey anagrams

    by Tigger Tales

    very INTERESTING

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 12:30 a.m. CST

    One of the best Boardwalk Empire episodes last Sunday

    by Therawbeats

    and no talkback. Why no talkback? Because no one watches? That's their fault.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 12:45 a.m. CST

    therawbeats

    by lv_426

    I would guess Boardwalk Empire is not imbued with enough geek genre DNA.

  • Well, there were a ton of dead bodies around the area, in the cars and some on the road. Remember when Merle's brother grabbed some corpses to hide him and the wounded dude under? Maybe the non-locomotive dead bodies smelling up the highway was enough to mask the smell of the living people? Or it could be that the zombies just don't have that good of a sniffer after all. Plus they are pretty dumb (brain dead) for the most part. So even if they smelt a bit of the living flesh, they were too confused to figure out to look at things the way a live functioning human would think to do. I can see why it would bother some viewers though. The characters rubbing zombie guts all over themselves in the first season so they could walk with the walking dead surrounding the building they were trapped in. It is still not the greatest storytelling consistency if we have to figure out why in one instance they can fool the zombies like in the first season, but then later on they can just hide under some cars. For me though, I can buy that the dead bodies, plus oil and rust and other smells like rotting food emanating from the stalled vehicles could block out the smells of live flesh.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Holy crap, we really like to discuss this show don't we?

    by FlandersBum

    What are there, like 1000 comments? Very cool. Herc should have a dedicated talkback for this show every week. Darn good show too, I must say.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Geeks have a problem with the TV show because...

    by WarrenSmooth

    they can't accept that it is an entirely separate story from the comic series. They want bullshit "continuity" like this is some crappy Marvel mutant comic from the 1980s. Get over it!

  • Since the first two episodes, it's been an established rule in the minds of the CHARACTERS that zombies can smell them. So when the writers try to create tension by undercutting what the characters believe, it feels false, because any astute viewer is asking: Why do they think they're safe under the cars? All I thought about for those "tense" ten minutes was how traumatizing it was for the characters to chop up a human body in episode two in order to spread guts all over them, and how all of this "suspense" was just drawn out and contrived because I didn't believe these were the same characters from the first season. Whether the writers reveal later that the zombies can't actually smell humans and that our characters were wrong all along is irrelevant, since they did NOT set that up before a tense ten minute scene that, for me, was boring. That is, until the dude sliced his arm on the car door FOR NO REASON. Then I was just laughing. Daryl almost saved the scene by hiding him under a zombie, though. That was cool.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST

    90 minute feature? The episode ran 66 minutes without ads!!!

    by Wookie_Weed

    What a fucking con! I didn't hate the premiere -- but I didn't love it either.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I like WD, but some of the character dialogue/behaviour is forced

    by Wookie_Weed

    "It's in the script" forced. The way Andrea went nuts at the old man. The way the bald-headed mother blamed Rick for losing the girl. The way Lori told Andrea and the bald-headed woman to suck it up and stop blaming others. It all felt "it's in the script, act like this and say that" forced. I've got a bad feeling about the second season writers...

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST

    forced

    by Wookie_Weed

    Wait, why do I blame Rick?" - "Because the script says you do" - "But he was the one who ran to save her, no one else did" - "I don't care, I'm a better writer than Darabont, do what the script tells you to do!

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Why is there no swearing in WD? No "Fuck!", nothing.

    by Wookie_Weed

    Yet it's one of the most violent shows I've ever seen. It was like watching The Shield, another show in which no one said the F word.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 10:55 a.m. CST

    bald-headed

    by vondamage

    why isnt her hair growing?!?!?!?!? and why does he wear his sheriff uniform everyday?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 11:39 a.m. CST

    A couple things... SPOILERS

    by Jason

    Carl does get shot in the comics, but it is so much later in the story that there is no reasonable comparison between that and the TV show shooting. Readers of the comic will also know that the "cover yourself in guts so zombies don't smell you" plan was attempted again later on, to much less positive result. All the haters getting so hung up on the "science" of zombies - just stop watching now, because explaining this shit was not and will never be Kirkman's M.O. The zombies are not the story - they're just a catalyst.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I agree about the lack of hair growth, though

    by Jason

    We can assume the guys shave on occasion and everyone does a rough clipping of they're hair, but how is Sophia's mom keeping that buzz-cut going? Especially since she had normal hair in the comics, this is kinda silly.

  • So those of us hoping for any real improvements are probably sol. Ill still dvr it as a guilty pleasure,kinda like true blood and the first fewseasons of smallville. Unless it gets substantially worse of course. Anyway im gonna stop bitching about it as it seems pointless. Besides, not every show has to be a masterpiece to be diverting.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 12:28 p.m. CST

    RE: "One of the best Boardwalk Empire episodes last Sunday "

    by Stalkeye

    Chalkie White's tirade alone mada last week's ep one of the best of the series. "Now we know who da field n****r is..." Give this guy the Emmy if not Buscemi or Shannon.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Zombies sitting in a Church=Fucking FAIL!

    by Stalkeye

    For a minute, I thought I was watch Return of the living dead pt.2 during that scene. WTF was Kirkland thinking when writing that part in?

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Sorry - not buying in.

    by Ray Garraty #47

    I also hated the premiere - the series was appointment TV last season for my wife and I until about the third to last episode. Fired up the DVR this week for another go, and hated it. A guy sustains a slice wound on his arm. About a quart of arterial spray soaks his shirt to the skin and splatters to the ground all over the place. The zombies don't smell it. Also, he is fine 40 minutes later. The sheriff's wife scolds her ex-lover and would-be rapist for being "too harsh" on a boy who isn't even his son. Why is she even talking to him? Speaking of the sherrif's wife, good call on not taking supplies out of the abandoned cars, you freaking moron. Way to get your priorities straight. Reminds me of when Mikey wouldn't take One Eyed Willy's treasure off the scale. Sheriff talking into the walkie talkie at cold open was terrible. Two men and a boy walk up on a grazing deer, who regards them serenely even though it is a wild animal. I fixed the radiator hose two days ago. Let's sit in the middle of this quasi-box canyon traffic death trap so I can be a philosophical old guy for a while. All rednecks are awesome at tracking stuff. If the church bells are ringing on a timer, why isn't the place crawling with zombies who are attracted to the sound? We just saw one zombie attach a woman in a trailer because she dropped a freaking pin on the ground.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST

    One More thing

    by Ray Garraty #47

    It was also really boring. I felt like I was watching the two-day search for a missing child - in real time.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST

    While Georgia may not only be composed of racist, gun toting hicks...

    by blackmantis

    ...in a zombie apocalypse, I'd put my money on racist, gun toting hicks surviving in greater numbers than the rest of the populace.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST

    ray garraty

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Whilst I didnt mind the walkie talky opening I agree with you about the stupidity of the characters. I thought horror filmakers had moved beyond this before the turn of the millenium. In this opening episode they were behaving like complete and utter morons and it is infuriating for the audience and not in a good way. You would think the fucking idiots might want to keep the kids in the fucking RV rather than let them wander about freely for a start! Jesus. Terrible writing. And I really want that fucking Sinead Oconnor mom to die. Were the characters this retarded in the comics?

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I have no problem with redneck hicks,

    by Norman Colson

    Besides the show is set in down south. we dont know how the other cities even look yet, maybe hawaii is ok??? i mean it is an island yes. lol. That would have been my first idea travel to somewhere isolated where the virus didnt hit yet.

  • Oct. 19, 2011, 10:22 p.m. CST

    There is something "off" about this show

    by proevad

    I'm not sure if it's the dialogue, the acting, or just lack of charisma from any of the cast...aside from Jeff DeMunn--this has to be the blandest bunch of actors I've ever seen put together. It's a watchable show, but they could kill off any one of these people and I could give a shit.

  • WTF?! They're standing right at the source of the ringing, even a deaf person would know that the ringing was coming from that church... and Shane says it can't be this church because there's no steeple?! Just to create "dramatic tension" and give more doubts to Rick's arc?! This is one example from a weak premiere that makes me wonder how the writers got this past Darabont -- oh wait.

  • But only three zombies are quietly sitting in church? With motherfucking bells as loud as a jet's exhaust? And when the fuck did Rick turn into Jack from Lost? Next, there'll be flashbacks. Mark my words.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 12:48 a.m. CST

    I loved season 1 of WD by the way

    by Wookie_Weed

    and season 2 so far has nothing that made me enjoy the first season. It's bland, uninspired, inconsistent, contradictory, and preachy. The premiere was liking watching Heroes at its worst mixed with Stargate Universe's emo drama.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 12:57 a.m. CST

    I like this show but it's got problems

    by happybunni

    The actors are mostly pretty terrible. Much of the show's writing just does not make any sense... And the mom seems to be getting a way bigger role for some unknown reason, I wouldn't mind it I'd just like it to make sense... She's untested and suddenly these people are all trusting her with her lives and soon secrets and such for no good reason. Still, mother fucking zombie show!

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST

    **SPOILERS** Mistakes the show has made

    by Robert Michael

    1) The only reason Shane should still be alive is to build a rapport with the audience before Carl kills him. However, they seem to keep building him up as if they intend to keep him. 2) A MAJOR point in the comic that hooked a lot of readers (including me) was when Carl murdered Shane to protect his father. This has to happen. Since we missed out chronologically on when it was supposed to happen, how about using it as a mid-season cliffhanger? I think you'd certainly see people who don't know the comic screaming "WTF!?!" at their TVs. 3) Andrea becomes one of the strongest members of the group after she's done grieving for her sister. Andrea in the comics is a one woman army and a talented sniper. Andrea in the show? Whiny bitch who can't even load a gun let alone shoot one. AMC, fix this. 4) Where the fuck is Tyreese? I'm sorry but T-Dog doesn't cut it. Introduce Tyreese ASAP and let him and Rick rampage against the zombie horde. They make a great team and Tyreese was a popular character. 5) The twins were not in the main camp. Guess this means we won't see a 5 year old executed by a 10 year old. Sigh. 6) Dale. In the comics he's kind of a father figure to Rick. In the show he spits out random bits of wisdom and is generally annoying. You have a great actor (Jeff DeMunn) playing Dale so stop underusing him. 7) Carl. Without him murdering Shane you have missed out on the moment that made him a fan favourite. Carl represents the first of a new generation of people who are growing up in a world where zombies exist. As a consequence he becomes the perfect survivor. This makes him one of the most interesting characters in the comic. In the show Carl is barely a presence who has yet to do anything interesting. Fix this. I understand completely that the show wants to go it's own way. Unfortunately, the choices they're making include ditching some of the best moments that the comic has had to offer so far. The Walking Dead is popular because of those moments and I for one would love to see them on screen. AMC, you are straying too far from the comic on too many points, please stop avoiding major plot points and start including them.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Also, the shit in the church at the end was horribly written

    by proevad

    or maybe brilliant. Can't decide if the writers knew the irony of having their characters praying to a zombie god (JC) was funny (i laughed, but I'm sick)--or if they were just completely clueless and it was supposed to be touching.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 9:46 a.m. CST

    savagewolf, I hope someone @ AMC reads your post

    by deelzbub

    all good points

  • Didnt he abandon her husband to die and lie to her about it? My guess is theyve decided to go a very different route with the character of Shane. They want him to be less despicable/obsessed so they can a)keep him around and maybe have him hook up with the blonde or b)make us care when he finally gets his head blown off (or eaten). Unfortunately, the way they handled it in those scenes with the wife make no sense at all. And if you simply swallow it, it makes you really really annoyed with Lori. Im one who thinks a fairly radical departure from the comic's storyline (at least the timeline) was necessary. But God i wish they had just stuck to book in the case of Shane.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 2:02 p.m. CST

    ray garraty #47

    by Lucky13

    Would you have been more pleased if the person doing the tracking was of Native American descent?

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST

    The Talking Dead...

    by ethan

    So sad it didn't feature Darabont. I guess AMC knows best!

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    @ savagewolf

    by ethan

    I agree with the above poster. All good points indeed. Hell, maybe they could hire YOU to be on the writing staff. But then again they'd probably just fire you for no good reason.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST

    lucky13

    by Ray Garraty #47

    No, that is an equally tired trope. You missed my point. Everything that happens in the show either doesn't make sense, is stupidly stereotypical, or is offensively dumb. Using a Native American as the "tracker" would have been even stupider. Maybe if the guy would have just seen a footprint or broken branch from a standing position instead of crouching down like fucking Natty Bumppo (sticking the point of his crossbow into the ground, by the way, which anyone who's skilled with weapons would never do) it wouldn't have been so bad. But hell, the only thing he didn't do was roll soil around in his fingers and taste it.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST

    @ wookie weed...

    by ethan

    me too. Season one still amazes me to this day. I'm going to have to get it on bluray soon. BTW, it's only the 1st episode, let's hope things start improving.

  • Seriously, Jack on Lost was just Cyclops to begin with and in the comics of Walking Dead, Rick was always like the two of them. The guy who makes himself the leader and is kinda forced into it, out of nowhere he is doubted by the others. Later when they need him, he becomes their leader again and we start the whole thing over.

  • Oct. 20, 2011, 11:08 p.m. CST

    What the show has gotten right...

    by Robert Michael

    First of all, thanks for the support and positive comments, it's appreciated. I wanted to post now things that I feel the show has done well. I wanted to do this because there's been a lot of negative comments here (including from me) and I don't believe for a moment that this is a terrible show, I just think that it's made some truly questionable decisions. 1) Rick. His reactions and decisions are very much in line with Rick from the comics. I love that you see glimmers of the tough decisions to come and you realize that Rick has his own and his family's survival first and foremost on his mind. I can buy that the Rick on TV would leave the group behind in a second if he felt it would improve his family's chances for survival. He'd be guilt stricken and conflicted, but he wouldn't change that decision. 2) Zombies. I think that their portrayal has been great on the show and I'm not just talking about the makeup effects. I think that the production has found some talented extras and has wisely put some of the more talented ones up front and center. It's exceptionally rare that a show has extras that stand out. Much like the webisodes explored what happened to the "Bicycle Girl" zombie, I think that there have been other zombies that could use a little internet love and get their own backstories. 3) Lori. A lot of people hate her because all she seems to do is whine and complain. She supports Rick when it's convenient for her but then withdraws her support at innopportune times, leaving Rick constantly questioning himself. This is exactly the way she was in the comics. You can understand that a lot of her decisions are emotional and aren't always rational, but you can also buy that she believes in those decisions. I think that her portrayal has been spot on. 4) Daryl Dixon. While he isn't a character from the comics, he HAS been a positive addition to the show. Here's a guy that can easily be off on his own but chooses to stay with the group for his own reasons. Excellent character work from Norman Reedus. 5) Merle Dixon. In a very short timespan, Michael Rooker took a thoroughly detestable character and turned him into someone that everyone wants to know more about. Of all of the questions people could ask the writers about this show, "Where the fuck is Merle!?!" has got to be close to #1. Consider just how much screen time Rooker had to create an interesting character (you'll be shocked at just how little screen time he actually had) and then consider the impact he had. And if they're going the route with Merle that I think they will (Governor) then he's still going to have one hell of an impact later on. In closing, I'm counting down the days until each new episode. Some of the bad decisions drive me nuts, but they got enough right to keep me coming back for more. If the rumoured conflicts between Darabont and Kirkman are true, then maybe with Darabont gone you'll see the show come a little bit more in line with Kirkman's comic. Time will tell if the show survives Darabont's departure.

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Brians cock

    by blackflowerX

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXf_9fVs8ys&feature=fvwrel

  • Oct. 21, 2011, 4:56 a.m. CST

    @savagewolf, you rock. Awesome critiquing dude.

    by Wookie_Weed

    Despite being disappointed with the premiere, I'm giving WD the benefit of the doubt and sticking with it to see how the next couple of episodes pan out. If it doesn't improve... well. I'd love for the big shocks of the comics to be in WD, but Darabont said he made changes so fans of the original comic would still be surprised when they watch the tv show. I see his point, but I disagree with him -- a clear example is Game of Thrones. I read the books twice, the tv series pretty much stuck to the books, and I was still surprised and excited. That's what good writing and character acting does for you!

  • Yeah, that took real skill and insight. Forgetting the fact that 90 out of a 100 of us haven't read the damn things and never will. I hate asshatty people like you guys. But..but. sniff, sniff...Stephen King had a topiary in the book and Kubrick changed it to a maze. The film is a disaster. It's nothing like the book was! Waaaahhhh. Waaaahhh.

  • He must have the smallest pecker left among the living. At least that explains why is wife fucked around on him. Also, his kid is portrayed by the worst kid actor I can recall. Here endeth the rants. Oh, just one more. The whiny chemo bitch needs to go. Annoying. Hope they eat her to the bone, ankles to neck.