“Charlie’s Angels” on Friday joined “The Playboy Club,” “H8R,” “Free Agents” and “How To Be A Gentleman” as one of the first shows of the new season to see cancellation. Which shows are next for the axe, you ask?
8.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) Sunday Football
5.9 (6.2) (7.4) (10.7)(1.2) 2½ Men
4.6 (4.5) (4.9) (5.0) (2.5) Big Bang Theory
4.3 (4.5) (4.6) (7.1) (---) 2 Broke Girls
4.0 (4.5) (4.5) (5.0) (1.2) How I Met Your Mother
4.0 (4.2) (5.2) (4.3) (1.7) NCIS
3.9 (4.3) (4.8) (---) (---) Mike & Molly
3.8 (3.8) (3.6) (4.1) (---) Criminal Minds
3.3 (3.4) (3.6) (3.6) (1.7) NCIS LA
3.2 (3.5) (2.3) (2.9) (1.3) 60 Minutes
3.2 (3.1) (3.2) (3.2) (3.4) Survivor
2.8 (3.2) (3.0) (---) (---) Amazing Race
2.8 (2.6) (2.7) (3.1) (---) Person of Interest
2.7 (3.2) (3.3) (3.4) (---) Hawaii Five-0
2.6 (2.9) (3.1) (3.2) (---) CSI
--- (2.5) (2.7) (---) (---) How/Gentleman
2.5 (2.7) (2.6) (2.8) (1.5) Mentalist
2.3 (2.5) (2.5) (2.9) (---) Unforgettable
2.2 (2.4) (2.3) (1.1) (---) CSI Miami
2.1 (2.2) (2.2) (1.1) (0.9) The Good Wife
1.9 (1.8) (2.0) (0.9) (0.8) Blue Bloods
1.6 (1.7) (1.8) (0.8) (0.7) CSI NY
1.2 (1.2) (1.4) (---) (---) A Gifted Man
0.9 (---) (1.2) (1.1) (0.9) 48 Hours
“The Good Wife” and “CSI Miami” are not well capitalizing on the strong lead-in “Amazing Race” provides. The whole “CSI” franchise, frankly, looks pretty wobbly these days.
If “Unforgettable” falls behind “Parenthood,” CBS will want to stick something else on after its hit “NCIS” franchise.
--- (4.3) (4.5) (4.8) (---) New Girl
--- (4.1) (4.1) (4.4) (---) The X Factor (We)
3.7 (4.0) (3.9) (4.3) (---) The X Factor
--- (3.6) (3.7) (4.0) (1.0) Glee
--- (3.5) (4.1) (---) (1.9) Family Guy
--- (3.0) (3.9) (---) (2.4) The Simpsons
--- (2.9) (2.9) (3.1) (0.8) Raising Hope
--- (2.7) (3.0) (---) (---) American Dad
2.7 (3.9) (---) (---) (---) House
--- (2.6) (3.1) (---) (---) Cleveland Show
2.5 (3.1) (3.1) (---) (---) Terra Nova
2.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) Baseball (Tu)
2.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) Baseball (We)
1.9 (---) (---) (---) (---) Baseball (Mo)
1.6 (1.7) (1.6) (1.0) (0.9) Kitchen Nightmares
1.3 (1.2) (1.5) (0.6) (0.6) Fringe
--- (---) (1.0) (1.1) (1.0) Cops
Fox gave its competitors a huge gift this week by pre-empting for lower-rated baseball games higher-rated hits like “New Girl,” “The X Factor,” “Glee” and “Family Guy.” This will not help the momentum of the Fox shows.
Nothing on Fox really looks very vulnerable to cancellation except “Fringe,” a huge hit in its first season long before it was comported to the Fox Friday Death Slot that has killed so many sci-fi franchises.
“Terra Nova” is easily Fox’s lowest-rated new series and one of its more expensive, but may have to drift a tiny bit lower before the network banishes it to the Fox Friday Death Slot.
8.9 (7.7) (8.3)(10.0)(10.7) Sunday Football
3.3 (3.2) (3.5) (3.9) (1.4) The Office
2.1 (2.0) (2.2) (2.1) (2.2) Parenthood
2.1 (1.9) (2.1) (2.1) (---) Parks and Recreation
2.1 (2.1) (2.1) (2.4) (---) Law & Order SVU
2.1 (2.3) (2.1) (2.3) (3.7) Up All Night
2.0 (2.1) (2.3) (3.6) (---) Biggest Loser
2.0 (2.3) (2.5) (3.3) (---) Whitney
1.7 (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (0.6) Community
1.5 (1.8) (1.7) (1.9) (---) Sing-Off
1.4 (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.8) Dateline
1.3 (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (---) Prime Suspect
1.2 (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (---) Harry’s Law
--- (1.2) (1.3) (1.6) (---) Playboy Club
--- (1.0) (1.0) (1.3) (2.1) Free Agents
I think NBC is ordering scripts but not actual episodes for “Harry’s Law.” The network needs to develop better reality shows than “The Sing-Off” and “Minute To Win It” to fill holes when its scripted fare tanks.
Speaking of which, everybody loves Maria Bello but not her new cop show in “ER’s” old slot. After NBC shuts down “Prime Suspect” it should gin up “Anna Del Amico, MD”?
NBC has already given “Whitney” a full first season, but the network may want to rethink that if the laughtrack sitcom can’t do better than a 2.0 in the NBC’s cushiest timeslot.
5.9 (5.7) (5.7) (6.1) (1.8) Modern Family
3.6 (3.1) (3.6) (4.3) (1.0) Grey’s Anatomy
3.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) Last Man Standing
3.3 (2.9) (2.9) (2.9) (---) Dancing/Stars (Tu)
3.2 (2.8) (3.1) (---) (---) Happy Endings
3.0 (3.1) (3.3) (4.0) (---) Dancing/Stars (Mo)
3.0 (3.1) (3.3) (---) (---) Suburgatory
2.9 (2.8) (2.7) (3.1) (1.3) The Middle
2.8 (3.0) (3.2) (---) (---) Desperate Housewives
2.7 (2.4) (2.7) (3.3) (---) Revenge
2.3 (2.1) (2.8) (---) (---) Private Practice
2.1 (2.5) (3.1) (3.2) (---) Castle
2.0 (2.1) (2.3) (1.4) (1.1) Extreme MHE
1.9 (2.6) (3.1) (---) (---) Pan Am
1.8 (2.0) (1.8) (2.2) (---) Body of Proof
1.6 (1.8) (2.2) (3.0) (---) Saturday Football
1.4 (1.5) (---) (1.2) (1.2) AFH Videos
1.3 (1.2) (1.5) (2.1) (---) Charlie’s Angels
1.1 (1.2) (1.0) (1.2) (1.0) 20/20
“Pan Am” and “Body of Proof” are now neck-and-neck for oblivion. ABC’s lowest-rated scripted shows both follow shows that still get decent ratings.
1.4 (1.2) (1.3) (1.2) (1.5) Vampire Diaries
0.8 (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) 90210
0.8 (0.8) (1.0) (0.9) (1.3) Secret Circle
0.7 (0.6) (0.9) (0.9) (1.2) Ringer
0.7 (0.7) (0.8) (---) (0.3) Supernatural
0.6 (0.7) (0.7) (---) (---) Gossip Girl
0.6 (0.8) (0.8) (---) (---) Hart of Dixie
0.5 (0.6) (0.6) (---) (0.3) Nikita
--- (0.4) (0.6) (0.4) (0.6) H8R
“Hart of Dixie,” “Ringer” and “Secret Circle” all just got full first-season orders. “Nikita,” meanwhile, is now the lowest-rated show on the lowest-rated broadcast network.
Cable Shows With Better Ratings Than “Ringer”:
6.9 (4.5) (7.2) (4.8) (6.3) Monday Night Football
3.6 (3.7) (3.8) (3.5) (3.8) Jersey Shore
2.8 (1.4) (---) (---) (---) TBS Baseball (Fr)
2.2 (---) (---) (---) (0.7) Keeping/Kardashians (Su)
2.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) Hip Hop Awards
2.1 (---) (---) (---) (0.7) Keeping/Kardashians (Mo)
1.9 (1.9) (1.7) (1.9) (2.0) Sons of Anarchy
1.9 (1.7) (1.6) (1.6) (1.4) WWE Entertainment
1.8 (3.2) (---) (---) (---) TBS Baseball (Th)
1.7 (1.5) (---) (---) (---) South Park
1.7 (1.7) (1.7) (1.9) (0.9) Tosh.0
1.5 (0.8) (0.9) (---) (---) Kendra
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) Reed Between/Lines
1.4 (1.6) (---) (---) (---) American Horror Story
1.4 (1.3) (---) (---) (---) TBS Baseball (We)
1.3 (1.2) (---) (1.5) (1.3) Real Housewives NJ
1.3 (1.0) (1.0) (1.4) (---) Workaholics
1.2 (1.1) (1.3) (---) (---) Boardwalk Empire
1.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) Psych
1.0 (1.0) (0.9) (---) (---) Real Housewives BH
1.0 (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) Breaking Bad
1.0 (0.9) (1.1) (0.7) (1.0) WWE Smackdown
0.9 (1.1) (---) (---) (---) Dexter
0.9 (1.1) (1.3) (1.2) (1.4) It’s Always Sunny
0.9 (1.0) (0.9) (0.8) (1.2) Project Runway
0.9 (1.1) (1.2) (---) (---) Sister Wives
0.9 (0.7) (1.0) (0.9) (---) Ultimate Fighter
0.9 (0.6) (0.5) (---) (---) Watch What Happens (Su)
0.8 (0.8) (1.0) (0.7) (0.8) Chopped
0.8 (0.9) (---) (---) (---) Gene Simmons
0.8 (0.8) (---) (---) (---) Halloween Wars
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) Keeping/Kardashians
0.8 (0.8) (0.8) (---) (---) Mythbusters
0.8 (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) Next Top Model
0.8 (0.7) (1.2) (---) (---) Real World
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) TNT Baseball (Fr)
0.8 (2.1) (---) (---) (---) TBS Baseball (Mo)
“Dexter,” which may or may not come back next year given the salary demands being made by Michael C. Hall’s agents, took a sharp downward turn while “Boardwalk Empire,” tied with “Dexter” the week before, ticked up.
“Sons of Anarchy,” is cable’s top scripted show at the moment, followed by “South Park.” So they’re probably not getting cancelled.
“Breaking Bad,” which has 16 episodes left, caught a nice uptick with its “Face Off” season finale.
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Oct. 15, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST
by Bob Loblaw Law Blog
To get canceled?
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:11 a.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Margot Tenenbaum
Sports have just gotten too expensive. Another rumor is that the International Olympic Committee is considering selling the Olympics to a Mark Burnett/Bertram van Munster/Elise Doganieri conglomerate in order to turn the games into a weekly reality series hosted by Jeff Probst.
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:19 a.m. CST
He worked on Alien Resurrection too so I wouldn't be trumpeting that info. Whed
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:22 a.m. CST
WEAK in feature films. And don't give me that Firefly was as good as Star Wars bullshit. That just plain stupid. And the "he wrote Speed and Toy Story" stuff. The phrase "stand on the shoulders of giants" comes to mind.
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST
These numbers are clear: America wants its hot chicks to amuse them, not pretend they're sexy and empowered in the 1960's.
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST
It was his TV stuff (and Dr. Horrible) that made him my master now.
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:46 a.m. CST
by Tigger Tales
1. Knowles is master 2. See rule #1
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:52 a.m. CST
1.5? there are some sick fucks on this planet
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:56 a.m. CST
by Retlaw Kciuq
1.) Terra Nova was preempted by 40 minutes or so in my market and I would assume several others on the East Coast. The fact it still pulled in a 2.5 speaks volumes! That's news, in my opinion. 2.) For a huge box office event, the photography on The Avengers looks like shit. I have faith in Whedon after watching Buffy last year but he chose an awful DP. I don't understand the love altogether for the trailer because while the writing is there, the direction is there, the acting is there, the film visually looks worse than a Len Wiseman action film. Even if this film exceeds expectations, it still looks dreadfully boring and flat.
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:02 a.m. CST
maybe fox should rethink how it packages the games and should dump both mccrappy and buck and weiner laffs at the networks who blew him off when he brought them mad men
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:06 a.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:16 a.m. CST
that like Fringe. Occupy Fox!
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST
Because it's too damn good! It's a fantastic cop show top to bottom. Yeah, we got lots of those, but not lots of good ones. This is a good one.
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:29 a.m. CST
Did they only tape the pilot in front of a live audience?
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST
I know I'm in the minority, but I actually thought Free Agents had potential. Not a laugh riot, but I didn't feel that I wasted a half hour after watching it. NBC never promoted it. In fact, I didn't even know what it was until I just happened to see it in the lineup after Up All Night. Meanwhile, I couldn't get away from Whitney ads. Go to any website... banners for Whitney. Watch a video (online or TV)? Hey, watch an ad for Whitney first... "you'll love it!" Even now, NBC continues to promote it while its ratings are in the crapper. I mean, the damn show has prime real estate and it's still crappin' out. No wonder NBC continues to fail. They should try Free Agents in Whitney's timeslot. At least it fits with the non-laughtrack/studio audience model of the rest of the Thursday lineup (which is actually good). Won't happen, though... that would take some balls. And everyone knows that peacocks don't have balls;)
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:49 a.m. CST
Fuck network TV. The sooner it dies the better. At least in the case of scripted shows. Let cable handle the 1-hour drama series and non-lame/non-sitcom style comedies. Network TV can stick to sports and the television wasteland of reality TV, Entertainment Tonight, Lame Night talkshows, and American Idol and Dancing With The (washed up) Stars type of crap.
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:53 a.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:57 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
Star Wars is all effects and crappy writing and crappy acting. They have the emotional sophistication of a six grader. Only immature dumbfucks can possibly think those stupid fucking movies are worth watching, let along think they're better than Firefly. I'm sure I'm in the minority saying that, but I've always thought I was smarter than most people anyway and this helps prove it. Goddamned fucking stupid idiot.
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:59 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
And Birds of Prey was shit.
Oct. 15, 2011, 2:59 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
And it was shit.
Oct. 15, 2011, 3 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
And it was one long corn-studded turd
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:01 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
At least it had tits and ass.
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:02 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
Ernest Borgnine. Need I say more?
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:03 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
And David Hasselhoff was in it! THAT'S how bad Star Wars sucks!
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:10 a.m. CST
You are so very wrong on that point my short bus riding friend. There is a reason Fire Fly got shit canned, it wasn't going to make it, no matter what you might tell yourself while wearing a brown coat and act as the jizz catcher at your local Fire Fly LARPER meeting.
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:23 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
I've slashed my wrists and am presently bleeding all over my keyboard. Woe is me, I hope I die quickly!
Oct. 15, 2011, 4:11 a.m. CST
by King Sweyn Forkbeard
Five out of the six Star Wars films are fucking terrible.
Oct. 15, 2011, 4:34 a.m. CST
That's good to see
Oct. 15, 2011, 4:35 a.m. CST
Nice to see ABC doing something right
Oct. 15, 2011, 7:13 a.m. CST
'Stars my heavy crushes, D.Delaney & J.Ryan, and some talented others like Sonja Sohn from The Wire, so I'll watch it anyway... but I wish it were better. Just a little less cutesy.
Oct. 15, 2011, 7:58 a.m. CST
American Dad is the funniest and most well written of Mcfarlanes crap....
Oct. 15, 2011, 8:23 a.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
It's one of the few good adult shows on the CW.
Oct. 15, 2011, 8:30 a.m. CST
Both of you rotten cunts shut your pathetic gobs! Go fuck your hobbits.
Oct. 15, 2011, 8:33 a.m. CST
I've slashed my wrists and am presently bleeding all over my keyboard. Woe is me, I hope I die quickly! DON'T TEASE ME! MAKE IT HAPPEN! YOU CAN DO IT!
Oct. 15, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST
The problem is that it didn't have fun with the presmise. the chicks were not all that interesting looking nor were they good actors. Should not have set in in Miami. About three series are there now...DEXTER, NCIS, CSI...? And its boring to me. LA would have worked and cameos from the original broads should have been top priority. Bosley should have been an older dude with experience.
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST
Pairing it with the likes of Fringe may give it a boost as it would have the same audience to draw
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:09 a.m. CST
In the past, the Fringe guys have said that a 1.2 on Fridays would be enough to keep the show around. I really hope so, but I'm worried. Given the fan base, I wonder if somebody like SyFy would pick it up to finish out the arc (which would probably mean one more season) Come on Fox, don't fuck us this one time.
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:28 a.m. CST
The show with Jim Belushi and Mr Mallory, not the superhero group ... I enjoyed it, but my Spider Sense is telling me that it's gonna get cancelled ...
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
Certainly better than the prequels. Even the best of the prequels, Revenge of the Sith, was bested in 2005 by Serenity. Too bad Serenity was a box office bomb. I deserved to do so much better. Also, Sci-fi Channel should have picked up Firefly and ran with it for at least two more seasons after Fox cancelled it and the cult following started up. Firefly and Battlestar would have been a great couple of space opera type shows to have back to back. Sci-fi (SyFy), should have also picked up Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles after the second season cancellation. What a couple of wasted opportunities they missed so they could show crap and wrestling, and nowadays reality shows.
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST
Any show on any other channel, I have a hard time getting attached to because it seems that anything good has a huge chance of getting cancelled before the end of the first season.
Oct. 15, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST
Wash's fate still leaves a lump in my throat. Could've used moar NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Oct. 15, 2011, 11:23 a.m. CST
You wonder if SyFy would pick up Fringe? You're kidding, right? No, SyFy would not pick up Fringe, because Fringe is a science fiction show, and a damned good one, and good science fiction shows are not something that fits into the current programming philosophy of SyFy.
Oct. 15, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST
The days when SyFy would pick up and continue a canceled scifi show are long gone, I mean, long, long gone, really. I wish they would change the name of their channel and let someone else restart the SciFi channel.
Oct. 15, 2011, 12:05 p.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
Oct. 15, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST
Drew Berrymore's no guns policy is, has and will NEVER work.
Oct. 15, 2011, 12:09 p.m. CST
Naw man... Washes death was pointless. it was tacked on drama to make it a "movie". Whedon was a dick for doing it. Fortunately their universe allows there to be an out of this kind of stupidity should the series ever get the green light to come back. I would picture it this way... The crew stopping planet side to pick up supplies and the post office says they have a package for Zoe in the back. She's somewhat suspicious and the post master hands Mal the product literature and he starts to leaf through it was see that he's confused by all the fine print, but Zoe realizes what it is an yells out: He had a life insurance Policy and never told me!? Jayne's ears perk up when he hears this and starts to get nosey smelling money. The postmaster asks if he should go get it now,and Zoe starts to tear up and says "yes!" Jaybe makes a crack that money was what would make him cry too. The postmaster wheels out a huge box and it looks to be the size of a casket, and for a moment they all look at each other like "oh shit we've seen this before" ( referencing the dead guy episode) but only Zoe knows what this really is. She opens the box hurriedly and presses some buttons and opens the inner seal, where we get some steam coming up and a visual reference to River's original entrance where *Wash* is stark naked curled up in the box. He's smiling and says he doesn't want to come out because it's cold. Zoe says something heartwarming like "come out here you piece of shit... you never told me you got yourself a life insurance policy." Wash sits up and smiles warmly, and says "yeah... sorry aboit that sweetie. What have I missed? I last backed up my brain into this clone body right before that bank raid we were planning on doing. Did that work out ok? Well I assume not everything worked out ok since... uhh... here I am. Does anyone have any clothes?" Problem Solved.
Oct. 15, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST
One of my top 5 movies ever, but it is a movie that pretty much plays directly to all of my tastes. And I saw it before I saw the Firefly series (also amazing).
Oct. 15, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST
Whitney the actress is cute and sexy, but her show is not funny. New Girl needs new writers. Zooey is adorable and should have her own show. Prime Suspect is a good cop show.
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST
They WERE in a rush, with Reavers hot on their trail. I picture another hand-to-hand melee, and Zoe turns to decapitate one, and recognizes her former husband. Capture and rehabilitation ensues...
Oct. 15, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
With its latest "memory-wiping virus" episode, TERRA NOVA has proven to be a the genetically-defective result of brothers and sisters inbreeding for over five generations. I get that 'merica wants to see dinosaurs chomping people but the show's budget obviously isn't going to give us that with any sort of regularity. Just put this latest Brannon Braga trainwreck out of its (and our) misery and those of us who enjoy decent science-fiction will remain perfectly content with FRINGE surviving the Friday Death Slot.
Oct. 15, 2011, 3:50 p.m. CST
Just because TERRA NOVA is bad doesn't magically turn FRINGE into a good show, you know? FRINGE cancelation should had happened after the pilot, if there was any justice in this universe. Which there isn't.
Oct. 15, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST
stop picking up fuckin sci-fi shows you twats. Seriously every Sci-fi show you ever have had you never give it time, ever nobody ever gives it time. :(
Oct. 15, 2011, 5:10 p.m. CST
They say it's filmed before a live studio audience but it's been so long since NBC has put an audience track it sounds out of place. The pacing is joke...laugh..wait til laugh is over...dialogue...joke...wait for laugh, and so on. CBS has the audience track down to a science where actors don't wait to say dialogue- aside from 2 & 1/2 men.
Oct. 15, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
the 1/2 hours NBC put up this season.
Oct. 15, 2011, 5:20 p.m. CST
Agree with thefleshofvader24 (boy that sounds weird) Network TV jumps on the bandwagon when it comes to SciFi. The only financial success in the last 20 years was LOST and that's because they tricked the American viewing audience into watching a SciFi show. Scifi needs to stick to basic cable, where the station heads give it a chance to flourish and not dump it when ratings dip below reruns of Kitchen Nightmares.
Oct. 15, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST
I will murder everyone. In the world.
Oct. 15, 2011, 6:36 p.m. CST
who like Fringe. Nay, LOVE Fringe. Occupy death slot!
Oct. 15, 2011, 6:37 p.m. CST
If he keeps talking shit about my Fringe.
Oct. 15, 2011, 6:55 p.m. CST
by Real Deal
I'd be willing to bet you aren't even too familiar with the show outside of the fact that it's produced by JJ. And if you really feel that way about the show and are REALLY familiar you have all the taste of an ordinary clay brick. Given the way you carry on about JJ I'd vote for the latter.
Oct. 15, 2011, 7:25 p.m. CST
But it appears many of these shows deserve to be cancelled if no one is watching em. Some shows are just hit or miss given the writing is sometimes a little ....shitty. Seriously, however, I would rather be watching a badly written episode of The Fringe, than anything else on television. AMC, Showtime, and HBO, are the real masters of the tube although AMC has me worried about The Walking Dead fiasco with Darrabont. Maybe everyone should just get the fuck outta cable advertising television and stare at a brick wall like Asimovlives because nothing makes that fucking troll happy. That guy shits on everything and wants to be included in everything because he pretty much has absolutely no life. I can't really connect a gender to the thing to tell you the truth, but It might have testicles that might dangle below some anatomy (gunt?)that may have recently had a penis, or might have had one attached. I'm just sayin. Dude, stop jerking off with the sandpaper!
Oct. 15, 2011, 7:53 p.m. CST
You're partially right, but they did more than that. What they actually did was trick the American viewing audience into watching what appeared to be a SciFi show, but actually ended up being a Fantasy show. The average viewer of course probably couldn't give a shit about the distinction, but to SciFi fans who thought they were watching a SciFi show, it was a huge slap in the face.
Oct. 15, 2011, 7:54 p.m. CST
Followed by ABC...
Oct. 15, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST
...is nothing but a troll. His tirades against Fringe are here for the sole purpose of annoying those who enjoy the show. He probably still watches it every week himself.
Oct. 15, 2011, 8:16 p.m. CST
by Royston Lodge
It's not great television, but it's better than a lot of the shite out there.
Oct. 15, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST
or there would be no reason to watch tv on Sunday night. American Dad is one of the funniest shows of all time.
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:20 p.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST
Jesus, you'd think that in this day and age, they'd capitalize on their niche and have the best making-of documentaries, the best coverage of all the sci-fi, comic, and horror films coming out, and be THE place to see older genre movies and new genre television shows uninterrupted. But no... their mandate seems to be that they show the trashiest, cheesiest programming imaginable. "Imagine Greater"... yeah, the people running that network should follow their own fucking tagline. Hell, 24 hours of Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, and Tales from the Darkside reruns would be a 1,000 percent improvement. Fucking LCD bullshit... how do the cocksuckers running these networks even get their jobs? Oh... wait...
Oct. 15, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST
I don't care if Fox cancels Fringe as long as they let the overall story arc come to it's conclusion. I still get the feeling of anal tearing from the season 2 finale of Terminator, and that was only a 1 1/2 year investment!
Oct. 15, 2011, 10:09 p.m. CST
The only show that my wife still laughs at, and that my busy-body room mate will sit down and watch with us.
Oct. 15, 2011, 10:42 p.m. CST
It's sorta growing on me. I hope it sticks around.
Oct. 15, 2011, 10:50 p.m. CST
Oct. 15, 2011, 11:14 p.m. CST
And not because they killed off (bleep). That was the only real saving grace. Makes the climax actually a climax. Nope, Serenity was just plain not good. If it's in your top 5 movies of all time I have zero regard for your opinion of movies.
Oct. 15, 2011, 11:29 p.m. CST
before shutting it off
Oct. 15, 2011, 11:30 p.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2011, 12:19 a.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
I liked Serenity a lot. And I don't give a fuck whether you have any regard for my opinion of movies. Punkass bitch. And I doubt the guy you were talking about gives a damn either. Go back to masturbating with your Justin Bieber photos and let the smart people play.
Oct. 16, 2011, 12:20 a.m. CST
I like both shows. Nikita's 2nd season is already better than its first. And Pan Am is at least original and is not formulaic procedural crap. Other than the fact that it takes place in the 60's, it's not like any other show on TV right now.
Oct. 16, 2011, 1:05 a.m. CST
and not funny at all, in fact she is annoying.
Oct. 16, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST
I've watched since the beginning and I really think this season is the best in several years so far. Like I said in another recent talkback, it seems like everybody really cares again. Like they're actually trying. Maybe its just too late.
Oct. 16, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST
I'm thinking it must just be something that Nielsen households aren't watching. I know a pretty good number of people who are watching and they all like it. Hot women and 60s style done with an unrealistic gloss and a CIA spy subplot. What's not to like?
Oct. 16, 2011, 3:08 a.m. CST
FRINGE = BEST SHOW ON TV. Don't make me come over there, Fox.
Oct. 16, 2011, 3:09 a.m. CST
Is some crazy deranged wonderful shit also.
Oct. 16, 2011, 4:39 a.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST
My tirates against FRINGE is to vent my frustration that fucking show is still on, when by all right that shit shouldn't had passes past the pilot. Not everybody thinks the way you do, son. Learn that basic lesson about mankind. Most do that at age 12.
Oct. 16, 2011, 5:30 a.m. CST
Four other writers including John Lassetter wrote the story and four other writers including Joss Wheddon contributed on the screenplay of that story! Regardless he is a damn good writer and anyone who's watched Firefly or Dollhouse would know. Plus he is also a good director too as he showed with his work on the Serenity movie for Firefly. Far as I'm concerned The Avengers is in very capable hands!
Oct. 16, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST
Reality TV proves for the most part, that Studio execs can't really develop an original premise nowadays. Or the simple fact that they are afraid to invest more money within a high conceptual project due to fear of low ratings. Shows like The Shield and Justified proved otherwise. You don't need to have a big budget to be an instant success. I could give two shits about what shoes Kim (Kardasian) decide to wear prior to some fucking engagement or some spoiled dipshit who got passed over during a audition for X Factor or American Idol. However, as a guilty pleasure Hell's Kitchen is the funniest unscripted "comedy" thus far. To see Chef Gordon Ramsey shout expletives to those cooks is beyond hysterical. (0:<
Oct. 16, 2011, 8:25 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
It seemed obvious from the start, with the magical island no one can find and the mysterious smoke monster, and the dead relatives, and bizarre dreams, and interconnected pasts of the castaways, and the guy who doesn't age, and the numbers that bring doom, and the psychic prophecy's and all the various religious symbolisms and literary references that this was always a metaphysical show, whether you want to call it magic, or spi-fi or fantasy. Anyone expecting otherwise was just projecting what they wanted the show to be into what it actually was its like all the idiots who think that BSG shoehorned in the spiritual elements in the finale, when that stuff was all there since the original miniseries and was important throughout. Personally I don't draw any distinction between scifi and fantasy anyways. Just because star trek used a lot of goobly-wobbly tech speak to try and justify the existence of holodecks, and universal translaters and whatnot, doesn't mean they weren't just 'magic' with another name.
Oct. 16, 2011, 8:28 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
And for those who avoid it due to hatred of Orci/Kurtzman/JJ abrams, none of those guys has had any involvement with the show since season 1 (other than retaining a producer credit) Hell even Akiva Goldsman is managing to turn in really great work on that show, which defies all logic
Oct. 16, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST
Allow me to share your positive opinion of Joss Weadon. He is a good and imaginative writer, he's a good TV show boss, and he's a good director. I have little to no worries about the next AVENGERS movie.
Oct. 16, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST
Yes, LOST was a SF show right from the pilot. But, unless i'm mistaking the inteitons of the other poster, the SF elements that he cplaism were shoe-horned has not to do with the show as you know it. LOST is a Sf show, no doubt about it. But the thing is, LOST didn't started as a SF show. The original idea for the show was to have a Tv show made like CASTAWAY. Only instead of just having one single survivor in a desert island, there would be a group of survivors. While CASTAWAY explored the notion of a man alone in isolation in a desert island, LOST was to focus on the group dynamics of a group of people marroned in a desert island. THe Sf elements were added (or rather, shoe-orned) the moment JJ Abrams came to the show. It was him who started to shove all the Sf stuff inthe show. It was him who came up with the supernatural/pseudo-science mysteries in the island. It eas him who invented allt his mysteries without even aclue or a plan to how they should play out or resolved down the line. And then he jumped shit without ever bothering to ever give any indication of how things should plan out. And why? Becasue he imself never bothered to came up for a solution or a cause or even a continuity or logic to the stuff he came up. He just added all that stuff just for the rule of cool. Or rather, his precieved notion of what cool is. Which is pretty defective. Bascially, all the Sf stuff invented for LOST and which are there since the pilot wer all a bunch of ass-pulls that Abrams come up with and convinced everybody else to go with it (except the original creator of the show who, in disagrement and from backsatage politics maneuvering, left the show even before it aired). JJ Abrams pulled all that SF nonsense impossible to resolve out of his ass, and then bailed out of the show and let the others clean the mess. And people still kiss his ass, despiste all the shit he constantly does. Visionary? The fucker is a pest in modern entertaiment. A cliche holywood studio executive but with a camera crew.
Oct. 16, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST
"even Akiva Goldsman is managing to turn in really great work on that show [Fringe]" I'd first believe the sun was made of orange juice.
Fringe became good after the departure of Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams? Now that's something i don't find it hard to believe. What is the deal with those fucking limpdick fuckers, anyway? They start this shows, but bail out after the first season? What the fuck is with this sad fucks? Can't they stay for the whole run? What the fuck is wrong with this pathetic bags of crap?
Oct. 16, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
ABC was wanted a Castaway show that is true, and they had a script done that apparently nobody liked. JJ and Lindelof were brought in to do their take on it, they came up with the mysterious island premise with the flashbacks and the mysteries and the monster and the hatch etc. The pilot was ordered immediately and shot 6 weeks later (which is essentially like making a feature film in 6 weeks from script to screen which is absurd) after the pilot JJ abrams had no involvement with the show. My point was not that it was a scifi show from the start, but that if anyone was looking for science to be the answer to the mysteries on the show then I think they're expectations were in the wrong place, people make it seem as though magic and mysticism came out of nowhere to invade the final season, but the show always leaned more towards magic then it ever did towards science.
Oct. 16, 2011, 9:32 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Well if someone tends towards coming up with the idea and letting someone else run with it, as long as the final product is good then it doesn't bother me you have to understand to that a lot of it comes down to clout. Like them or hate them, they have clout in hollywood, networks and studios are reluctant to pass a show over to untested writers. Someone with some clout puts their name to it, gets the ball rolling, then hands it over to the writers who will see if through, but might not have had the names to get it made in the first place.
Oct. 16, 2011, 9:48 a.m. CST
by Brandon Dillard
Count me as a Fringe lover also. I was hooked day one. Olivia is so fucking hot. I also like Terra Nova. It will get better. Trust the beard. Love the Beard. Next week looks like a sixer ep, awsome. Love the Lovely Nubian Queen leader. Smokin...! Asi, what did J.J. Abrams do to you, rape you and kill your pet or something? Jesus man. Get a fucking grip. Oh, and Poppy Montgonery is also smoking hot, I hope her show does well. Peace...
Oct. 16, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
It's my guilty pleasure. The show has gotten a little too complicated with the permanent split universe thing. I haven't seen the most recent episode, so maybe this changes, but I've been thinking about major universe things... have the rips in space time stopped? Does this mean that the ambering will stop or even be permitted to be undone? There would be some good lawsuits there if both universes were completely aware of the other. That would be a funny episode. But seriously... kudos to the writing team to having the guts to keep going with the fractured universe and not have the automatic reset button happen. The reason ratings are down on that show is plain and simple... the lead actor isn't in this season so far, no matter how they hide it. He's quite a draw. My wife is basically letting the episodes stay on the DVR unwatched until Peter comes back.
Oct. 16, 2011, 10:26 a.m. CST
It's probably pretty obvious, but your extreme dislike for Serenity pretty much makes me toss out any of your opinions on movies as well. So now we can just go on and ignore each others posts. See, talkbacks are productive!
Oct. 16, 2011, 11:25 a.m. CST
Wrong again, dummies. <p> Now cancel the series. <p> And kill yourselves.
Oct. 16, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST
Abrams makes stupid movies that treat audiences as retards. It suffices.
Oct. 16, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST
Ther reason there can't be any scietific solutions to the mysteries of the island in LOST is because there are no solutiosn to the mysteries on that island because all of them were just ass-pulls that Lindenoff and Jar Jar Abrams pulle dout of their asses, without ever a though on a possible explanation or even a hint of what caused them. They just pulled shit out of their asses. They though that shit was cool and ddn't gave another though to it. It was just pilling weird shit for no real porpose and rhyme and reason. Later, when thet felt pressed, or rather, when Lindenoff felt pressed to resolve some of the mysteries, he again pulled more ass-pulls and tried to retcon and retroactively shove a solution to that. And all turned out stupid and silly. You think the series started out as the adventures of some loser fucks in purgatory? Hell no, the series started with real alive people who actually crashed in an island and survived. It eaas not supposed to be, at the begining,the story of a bunch of fucking souls expying their sins in purgatory. That retcon bullshit. LOST is the classic show of people inventing shit our of their asses as it want alone. Unlike CARNIVALE, it didn't had a multi season plan and an established mythology. They were inventing stuff as they went one. Classic case of ass-pulling. And they lied to the viewing public and claimed there was a plan when none existed. Bullshitter fucks of the highest order. LOST is the victory of advertizement over content. Abrams made a whole career out of it. And now he has disciples. Fucking great! The virus of bullshit spreading. CARNIVALE and ROME lasted just two season, DEADWOOD only 3, and this fucking crap ass bullshit faggotry LOST lasted 6 seasons? There's no justice in this fucking universe! That fuckign Fringe already outlasted ROME and CARNIVALE also makes me sick to my stomach. Mediocrity outlasting quality. Fuck this shit!
Oct. 16, 2011, 12:58 p.m. CST
by Queefer Sutherland
But all the previews show Bello all beat up. Still hot, but beat up, and that's not how I want to see her. Anna Torv, on the other hand, is not getting beaten up all the time. But I try to watch both shows and I'd really like them to succeed. Especially Bello because she deserves huge success, as well as my huge cock. Unfortunately I'm not around to watch TV most of the time.
Oct. 16, 2011, 4:17 p.m. CST
All of Lost's mysteries could have been explained by scientific and/or scifi concepts, if the writers hadn't been too lazy to try, and hadn't been more concerned with a feel-good ending with everyone reunited happily ever after. And they most certainly did indicate in many ways that they were going to do exactly that, not the least of which was actually coming right out and saying so. As for the spiritual elements in BSG, they were there and important from the beginning only in the sense that they were the beliefs of the characters. It was only towards the end that those beliefs were presented as reality. The fact that you make no distinction between fantasy and scifi pretty much renders your opinion on the subject irrelevant anyway though. There is a distinction whether you make one or not, or what's likely more to the point, whether you're able to or not.
Oct. 16, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I thought most of the mysteries were answered in a satisfactory fashion, how much was planned or not we'll never know but it doesn't matter anyways. And no I never thought they were in purgatory, and it turned out they weren't. It drives me crazy when people lashout at a show that they clearly either didn't watch or couldn't follow. They were alive on the island, all of that stuff really happened. The only part they were dead for was in the flashsideways stuff of season 6, which was done for character development, just like the flashbacks in the earlier seasons I can't imagine why anyone would think that the flashsideways which didn't even take place on the island would somehow have any connection to answering the mysteries on the island. They were not dead all along, that wouldn't make even a shred of sense, and at no point did the show say they were, infact they go out of their way to point out that they weren't. The 'purgatory' stuff is an epilogue, but in typical Lost non-linear fashion is intercut with the season6 story instead of going after it to allow for character specific episodes, and present the story in a different fashion. You also clearly didn't read my posts as that wasn't the point I was getting at anyways.
Oct. 16, 2011, 5:09 p.m. CST
lol Seriously dude. That's all you've got? You can ramble on for tens of thousands of words about a two year old movie but you can't express a single intelligent opinion about CSI? Weird, man. Weird.
Oct. 16, 2011, 5:18 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
How is it lazy? what possible science could explain a frozen donkey wheel that moves islands and travels through time? Or a smoke monster? Or a magnet at the core of the island that crashes planes and causes people to see the future? or any of the other stuff? Would throwing a lot of technobabble really have made those answers better? Nano-robots as the smoke monster? Nothing in the show from day one ever took the science approach. Just using words like 'posotronic emitters' and 'xenon radition fields' and whatnot doesn't make any of it more scientificly plausable. Did you hate the end of raiders of the lost ark because all of a sudden there was supernatural power coming from the ark instead of some scientific explanation? ANd I want to be clear, that I'm not anti-science, or science fiction. Nor am I a person of religous or spiritual belief. There are examples of scifi which employ probable scientific theory as part of their heightened reality or futuristic projection, but most of them are in literature. And I'm hard pressed to think of any example of a TV scifi show (and I say this as someone who has been a big scifi fan all of his life) where the science is presented in any sort of realistic capacity Thats why like I said, at the end of the day, from a screenwriting standpoint, a holodeck is 'magic', they just use a lot of technobabble (which the writers themselves fully admit they don't even come up with, its inserted later) essentially meaning that the terms used are fairly arbitrary And no, BSG metaphysical stuff wasn't just about the beliefs, 'In-head Six' was in it since the pilot, and the possibility of her being a chip in baltar's head was debunked early in season 2. She also supplied baltar with information that neither humans or cylons could not possess, which in turn guided him throughout the story.
Oct. 16, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST
The fact that you make no distinction between fantasy and scifi pretty much renders your opinion on the subject irrelevant anyway though
by Rebel Scumb
That's an incredibly ignorant comment.
Oct. 16, 2011, 10:59 p.m. CST
A hatred of Whitney. Screw all of you mouth-breathing, butt-hurt little dorks. Whitney is hilarious.
Oct. 17, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST
How I Met your mother, big Bang Theory, Glee, Modern Family, etc...biggest ratings, Pan-Am, Playboys club, Charlie's Angels get the boot.
Oct. 17, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST
The thing is that LOST doesn't make sense, but you fans go out of your way to try to find ways for it to do. I guess it0's hard for someone to acept that a show that one dedicated 6 or more years of one's life in the end is nonsensical and just a bunch of stuff thrown in with little connection. Otherwise, the sense of betrayal would be great. Lost should had been a one or two season show, top. Even if it ended with lots of mysteries, it cold still go down as a stylistic choice. But the producers started to promise answers and resolutions that never happened. and that sidetracks or whatever paralel universe nonsense they come up with is obvious atempts to stretch the show for more seasons. Simple as that. Lost as a big following, for sure. a dedicated one. That hates the notion that they might have been played for years. Trying to find justification and solutions that aren't there. You are lost in your own favorite show.
Oct. 17, 2011, 6:23 a.m. CST
What's more to say about fucking CSI? A show that makes SW look realistic. There's less fantasy in LOTR then in CSI. A Jerry Bruckheimer show dumbing down audiences with flashy pseudo-science bullshit. Yeah, i have so much good things to say about that show... not!
Oct. 17, 2011, 6:28 a.m. CST
it's quite obvious from the first series that the inicial idea for the others was for them not to be humans. aliens, ghosts, whatever, but not humans. of course, like everything in lost, they just thrown some random cool mysteries but never bothered to think what it could be, and made stuff as they went along. you guys wonder why the end theme of lost sounds kda like the score of Planet Of The apes? you think that accidental? it's a reference to the idea of the inicial way the show was suppose to head, which in the end never did.
Oct. 17, 2011, 6:44 a.m. CST
Oct. 17, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST
ABC is all soaps, this is their historical soap. They spent money on this one and it shows. The stories are solid. Soaps are usually outrageously ludicrious. At least this one has to stick to historical facts.
Oct. 17, 2011, 11:57 a.m. CST
who lives with her boyfriend and has two friends (as does he) who are nothing more than sounding-boards for their shenanigans. Whitney and her guy talk to their respective friends, get advice (considered to be both good & bad) and act upon it. Like the first episode where she wants to spice up their sex life and makes him engage in some role playing. Or the second episode where she feels their 3 year old relationship would benefit from them pretending to go on a first date with each other and he has to act as if he doesn't know anything about her but act all interested as she tells him stuff he's known for years. Or the third episode which begins with an impromptu foreign exchange student role-playing sex and transitions into a standoff between the couple involving "the silent treatment". Or the fourth episode in which they both pretend to enjoy cheesy romantic gestures in a game of cheesy romantic gesture chicken. Apparently Whitney doesn't like romantic gestures, even though two episodes earlier she got pissed at him for not taking their pretend first date seriously and didn't "woo" her properly. I expect the next few episodes (actually, all of them) will involve some kind of pretense either in an attempt to "fix" the relationship (or the other person) or as a result of it. Hopefully they will switch it up a bit, try something new. Maybe have a yet-to-be introduced landlord (let's call him Mr Stringer) overhear part of a conversation and get the wrong idea. Then, in another episode Whitney and Mr Stringer could overhear part of a conversation between the boyfriend and his cop friend and get the wrong idea. Then, for sweeps, have Whitney's friends overhear part of Mr Stringer's conversation with the boyfriend and get the wrong idea; as they are discussing it Whitney and the cop overhear part of that and get the wrong idea. As they are discussing what they think they heard, and what to do, the other guy on the show, the boyfriend, and Mr Stringer hear part of that conversation and get the wrong idea. Everyone has the wrong idea and they all try to talk about it even though everyone thinks everyone else is talking about something else and no one knows what the hell is going on. Classic stuff, man.
Oct. 17, 2011, 12:24 p.m. CST
If the universe it's set in is boring how the hell can I like it?
Oct. 17, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
You, know, the new generic insult that gets thrown around indiscriminantly even in cases where it's completely inapplicable . . . . not the first time I've seen it thrown at a show that's actually filmed in front of an audience. I think it loosely translates into: any comedy that doesn't jump on the hipster bandwagon by copying the hand-held, faux-documentary style of the most over-rated show in history, "Arrested Development."
Oct. 17, 2011, 1:57 p.m. CST
any comedy that doesn't jump on the hipster bandwagon by copying the hand-held, faux-documentary style of the most over-rated show in history, "Arrested Development." DITTO! I hate this show. NOT that funny... To be fair, most people aren't complaining about laugh tracks used, sometimes they add to the humor, the old 60's shows I enjoyed as a kid, "Gilligan's Island, "I dream of Jeannie" benefitted from them, but the thing is, they were timed perfectly. Unlike today when they are over-used, used for unfunny or even non-jokes. Such as WHITNEY!
Oct. 17, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST
by Andrew Coleman
I love Kitchen Nightmares and Fringe is the best show on television. Networks need to stop pulling the trigger so fast. People need time to connect to shows. Sometimes though they do deserve to get shot down... I'm looking at you Playboy Club.
Oct. 17, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST
Oct. 17, 2011, 5:14 p.m. CST
I missed that funny ass show. Oh, and Jules gets me all excited.
Oct. 18, 2011, 12:32 a.m. CST
It's a really good show. It's better than Person of Interest which is my other favorite new show and what I watch right before it. Why isn't everyone else doing that?
Oct. 19, 2011, 4:45 p.m. CST
a TERRIBLE fucking laughtrack. End. Of. Story. I never really liked arrested development but at least everytime someone shrugged their shoulders or had a back and forth conversation it wasnt riddled with the genero-laugh4000 blasting through my surround sound.
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